November 10, 2020 Show with Dr. Joe Morecraft on “The Role of the Church in the Recovery of America”

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I'm thrilled to have back on the program and just at the right time as

well Dr. Joe Morecraft, pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church in

Cumming, Georgia.

He's also an author of a commentary series on

the Westminster Larger Catechism, conference speaker, and beloved Christian

figure for both his vast knowledge of theology and politics,

which is not all too often seen in a combination

as far as my own experience is concerned.

And today we are going to be addressing the role of the church in the recovery of

America and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Joe Morecraft.

I always love it.

I have three people call me

and tell me they voted for me, wrote my name in,.

So I hope I win.

By the way, I followed the Democratic model and I got 300 votes in the from me.

But first of all, tell us about Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming,.

Georgia.

Praise God.

And

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anybody

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Well, I think, as I already stated, this is obviously a very timely

message that we are going to be addressing today, and I can think of no one more

qualified than you to address this topic.

The topic, just to repeat it, is the role of the church

in the are

very distressed, very depressed right now.

There are even left -wingers who are depressed because they didn't have the blue wave that

they were expecting.

They didn't win more seats in Congress and in the

Senate and so on.

They thought they were going to utterly obliterate us, and they were sadly mistaken.

But our brethren in Christ who are from the far more conservative -leaning end,

and I just can't understand any regenerate person voting Democratic, I'm

sorry, but when I know the abominations that they enthusiastically and

gleefully stand for, I just can't understand it.

But there are a lot of people who are depressed, and there are all

varieties of those folks.

Some are waving the white flag and already resigned to the fact that Joe Biden is now the President of the United States.

Some are not giving up.

And unfortunately, some are forgetting that God is in control, even

if it turns out, whether legitimately or not, Joe Biden is

appointed the highest office in the free world,

whether it's through deceit or not.

God is the one who ordained that, not because he is pleased with Mr. Biden, but very often he

raises up leaders in a nation to judge them, which is not a very comforting

thought.

But if you could start off with some of the basic principles of which you speak,

as far as the church's role.

In the recovery of

our nation.

Well, let

me make

a couple.

I have to be

sure that

we evaluate.

I want to,

in fact,

I don't

believe that many churches talk about

the church.

One,

for

denominations

and

libertarians.

Covenanters.

1600s,

that

is

the

pilgrims

in

Plymouth,

separate from England, and

then we had to

fight to originate in

a vacuum.

That it

is because

of all things.

So whenever there is the attempt to restore true worship

in a

culture in

this country,

I'm going

to

quickly

give

our

email

address.

If

anybody.

Would like to join us on the air with a question of your own, our email address is Chris

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Well, when you talk about false worship being at the core

of the downfall of this country, and the world for that matter,

what exactly in worship are you talking about as having departed

from biblical truth so seriously that this is what the

consequences would be?

On

and on,

philosophical, and that is that

religion is the root from which a culture grows.

Christianity...

In fact, I'm

going to pick up right where

you left off

there, because we have

to go to.

Our first break.

Yes, sir.

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And we broke away to the advertising break, uh, Joe, when

you were talking about the French Revolution, and one of its core goals

was to eradicate the church, and in the heart, or at the heart of eradicating the church

was the eradicating of the Sabbath, the Christian Sabbath.

So if you could, pick up where you left.

Off.

Yes sir,

and

the equality,

fraternity

are

impossible,

any of those

things,

and

it

goes

on,

it

doesn't,

Christianity,

God

we're

talking

about,

the

phrase

one

nation

under

God.

In our coins, it's in God we trust.

Which God are we talking about?

Are we talking about the triune

God

of

holy

scripture?

Are

we

talking

about

some

generic

God?

I

believe

it,

and

by

the

way,.

Yes, because so far you're talking about Christian doctrine, and specifically worship.

How does worship need to be restored to recover America, and how is

the church at large departed from.

Biblical worship?

And that would be on

YouTube, I'm assuming?

Sermonaudio

.com,

YouTube,

unsaid prophet after prophet, and so

eventually they were destroyed by Babylon in 586.

I hate

your Sabbath!

In fact, we're going to have to pick

up right where you left off

there,.

Don't forget your quote from Isaiah there.

Yeah.

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And Dr. Morecraft, you were quoting from Isaiah before we went to the.

Midway break.

Yes, sir.

Wow, I really appreciate that.

You made my day.

Thanks.

Isaiah 1,

there

were

a lot

of

reasons,

but

when

you

compare

the

God

that

many

commanded

by

God,

that

is

true.

There's

coming

a

time,

and now

is,

in

John

4, there's coming a time, and now is when those who worship the Father must worship in spirit.

That first phrase is important.

There's coming

a

time,

that is

speaking

of,

and now

you go

to

church.

I know

that

Redeemer

Presbyterian

Church in

Manhattan,

a PCA church,

had an actual ballet

going on.

I

remember something

else.

In

order

to get

our

country

back,

there

was

a

movement

of life, that

God's

law

applies

to

all, that Jesus Christ is the king of all of life, and

there's no neutral ground in the universe, and we may not surrender one inch of this planet or one

moment of history to the devil.

We must stand with Christ in the advance of his kingdom in

every

preparing

to go

to heaven, which is

rude

of a

magistrate

than

Paul.

How

inarrogant

is that sin?

God

is just

a

murdering

baby.

Live

under

the premise.

They haven't even read the Bible,

because obviously,.

Not every sin would disqualify a man from being a pastor, and

if all sins were the same, then there would be no one qualified, because all men sin.

That is exactly right,.

And so I want to tell

Christians...

Okay, we do

have

some

questions from listeners.

We have Susan in Setauket, Long Island, New York.

In his book, Church of Cowards, Matt Walsh writes, the church, once

the stalwart defender of real virtues, now promotes cheap and shallow ones.

Christians are not exhorted to courage, chastity, fidelity, temperance, and

modesty anymore.

Instead, we are encouraged to be welcoming, accepting, and tolerant.

These virtues have consumed all others.

And now, here's Susan speaking on her own.

Given this assessment of the current state of affairs within the contemporary Christian church, what

remedy can be applied that will allow the church to be a light in the darkness?

To

get

back

to

its

roots,

without

asking

for

a thing.

Automatically

slip

in

to

ask

for

a

thing.

In fact, we're going to have to pick up right where you left off there on those four points of Calvinism.

Yeah, that's right.

We're going to pick up right there, because we have to get our final break.

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Yes, sir.

Let me say again,.

And the

only

reason

God is

adoration

to

this,

and

that's

what

we...

Anonymous

listener,.

And the answer will have to be somewhat brief, because we're running out of time.

The anonymous listener says, I don't know if I'm misunderstanding you, but let me

just say what my main point is.

To my knowledge, Christianity from the scriptures is not one that coerces others

to believe like they do with any kind of threat, even if it's banishment or

exclusion from activities in the culture.

But it is one where they are freely offered the gospel, and by God's

sovereign grace, those whom he has chosen to believe are given the gift of faith and of

eternal life.

And they come to him willfully and willingly.

We are not the church of Rome or Islam that forces people by the threat of

punishment, torture, and death, as was the case with Rome centuries ago.

But we are supposed to be, as far as I'm concerned, a nation that allows for freedom of thought, even when that

thought is very wrong, as long as those beliefs and activities do not threaten the freedoms

of others and do not threaten the church of Jesus Christ.

Can you.

Please

clarify

what you

said in

light of

what I just

explained?

And we

are out

of

time,

brother,.

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