God Made Man and Woman. PERIOD. Then Back to William Lane Craig and Presuppositionalism

Well, greetings and welcome to The Dividing Line. It is Thursday already, and July is almost over. I only have a little over two weeks before we head off to Birmingham, England, briefly, for a debate with Zakir Hussein.

I sort of put a note out, haven't put it on Facebook yet, but put a note out on Twitter this morning. I would love to hear from some folks in the Birmingham area, some Christian folks that are going to be coming out.

Maybe we can get in touch with you. I don't know anybody in Birmingham, so it would be nice to have somebody there locally that I have some contact with. Not going to be there very long. It's pretty much in and out, and then down to...

I'm not really sure what the schedule is yet in South Africa. We're talking about stuff, but there's going to be stuff in Johannesburg, Potsdam and Durban, and a little more time in Durban. This time around at a Baptist church there.

Various topics we're going to be addressing, and right now we're looking at at least two more debates. Thought there might be a third, but that one sort of fell through, so we'll see. Lots of stuff to be doing, and of course, your assistance still required, still helpful in being able to get there and do these kinds of things.

So that's coming up real quick, and then only a matter of weeks home, I think like two weeks home before we head for Germany and the Reformation tour. I get to see lots of stuff I haven't seen. I'm not a tourist.

When I go over there, I'm normally teaching, preaching, doing something somewhere. I don't really have time to be doing the touristy thing, and so that'll be a new thing for me. And then come back from that, two trips to Dallas in October, Washington early November, Washington D .C. that is, haven't been there in ages.

Not really looking forward to that one as far as the location is concerned, because the last times I was there was when I was quite young, and I just remember very clearly that my father indicated that whoever laid out the streets in Washington D .C. was obviously on drugs, even back then in those days.

He was very, very frustrated that you can see where you want to go, but the roads don't go where you can see. So I guess Washington D .C. roads are somewhat on the frustrating side. So anyway, this year is going to finish up so fast.

It's going to be amazing. So many things are happening so, so quickly. And before we get back to the William Lane Craig stuff, yesterday, first thing in the morning, we had the presidential tweets. I don't know about you, I just sort of sit around and go, really?

This is how we announce things now, is on Twitter. It seems fitting, I guess. But the tweets concerning what is being called transgendered individuals. Now, I just want to start off by saying I do not believe there is such a thing as a transgender individual, period.

I am well aware, having majored in biology in college many years ago, I'm well aware of certain genetic abnormalities in a very, very small percentage. A very, very small number of individuals who physically have genetic abnormalities in regards to their sexuality, sex organs.

These are these are genetic errors. They almost always include other deleterious effects upon the individuals. And these are not transgendered individuals. These are individuals with a normally severe genetic disease.

And they really have been pretty much left out in the current sexual revolution. They will be referred to in a defensive fashion, but let's just be honest, the vast majority of people that are pushing transgender rights, things like that, as human rights.

Ms. Magazine came out yesterday or today. Transgender women are true women. Transgender feminism is true feminism. Transgenderism is a basic human right. Well, basic basic human right. They've pretty much been ignored in all of this because they're not the ones that people are referring to.

Yesterday, for some reason, just in regards to the traveling around I was doing while I was in the car and when I got home, I was having lunch. So I saw something on Fox News, heard two different interviews on radio while I was driving around with individuals who.

I think all three of them, I think that were members of the House representatives, they're all Democrats. And they were all, of course, very angry with President Trump saying that transgendered individuals would not be allowed to serve in the military.

Now, let me just be straight up front. I am soon to be 55 years of age. I come from a different generation. And. As such, really stand out today. And I hope that I'm a self-consciously biblical Christian.

I do not believe that there are all sorts of people that should be in the military, including women. And I believe women can have certain roles. Obviously, they did in World War one and two and support roles, things like that.

But I do not believe that a woman needs to be in a foxhole being shot at and being taken captive by the enemy. I've never believed that that is appropriate. I think it's I think it's destructive to the fighting effectiveness of a military force because a real man is going to try to protect a woman.

Even at the at the risk of his own self. And you basically have to stop treating them as women. And I just think that's wrong. But beyond that, I remember that when I was very young, my mom, the Vietnam War was raging and my mom was very thankful that I have flat feet.

She assumed that would be enough to keep me out of the draft. That would be an awfully long war if it had kept going that long. But just having certain, you know, I all got I wear, you know, had had made for me those wonderful orthotic inserts and I can run and ride and do all sorts of stuff like that.

But I guess back then that would have been enough. And believe me, back then, being a homosexual or a crossdresser or whatever else would have been enough to to keep you from military service. There's wasn't a question about it.

So I come from an older generation. And of course, the younger generation thinks we're all just a bunch of narrow minded bigots haven't thought about anything in our entire lives, because that's generally how the younger generation thinks.

And. The reality is, is I listened yesterday to the reasoning of attacking this decision, which I which I just identified on Twitter as simple sanity, because it's so plain to me that the secular totalitarians, the leftists, what they first do is they try to turn a nation's armed forces into a experimental, a social experimental playground.

And the result is the destruction of the effectiveness of those fighting forces. This has been plainly seen in the fighting in the Middle East, where European peacekeepers and things like that. Everybody knows just worthless.

They won't fight. Have no interest in fighting. If you need to get something done, you send the Americans in. Well, that's that's just not going to be the way it is much longer. When, you know, you go back to World War Two and you can take a young man off a farm and give him some training and send him into combat.

And he was one of the best soldiers in the world. Why? He was shooting at everything under the sun out on the farm. He could pick off a rabbit at 150 yards. That's not the case anymore. That just it just isn't.

I mean, if you if you dare point out that you grew up shooting guns, people look at you like, oh, no, especially people in California. And so that kind of that kind of thing no longer no longer is going to be the reality in a very short period of time.

But the reasoning that these people were presenting just struck me as so utterly given over from a Christian perspective to a rebellious. God rejecting worldview that I'll just be honest with you, it was depressing.

It's not that I didn't know that people thought that way. I know they do. But but to hear these people standing there and they're in suits and ties and they are representatives of the government, the United States and the.

Fundamental dishonesty. Of their way of thought in comparison to just what the world really is, they they live in a fantasy world. They live in a world that doesn't exist, but they demand that we all live in this fantasy world with them to the destruction of human life, the destruction of society, destruction of everything.

And it was truly astounding. And I then I was reading an article today. About written by a conservative, he made very good points. About this transgender movement. And he confessed that in his early 20s, he had what he would call gender dysphoria.

And he pointed out just on a logical basis, I was listening to Michael Medved having a conversation with this is one of the interviews that I heard. And I mean, to me, it is sheer insanity. To think that if you're a member of the armed forces and you are a man.

And you decide that you're a woman, that it's up to me as a taxpayer to pay to mutilate your body so you can feel better about yourself. I find that offensive, disgusting, revolting and absolutely positively insane.

But that's the world we now live in. We live in an insane world. And these people were defending that. They're going, well, actually, one guy actually said that it would cost the military less to do the transgender surgeries than to provide Viagra.

And I'm sitting here going, why are they providing Viagra? This is this is stupidity on a level that is absolutely positively astounding. It is astounding to me. That. Anyway, but as I as I listened, even to the conservatives, Michael Medved was pointing out to this this individual.

The foolishness, the again, it was it was Democrat and he was saying, well, I just don't view transgenderism or a transgendered person as having a medical condition. Michael Medved goes, so why are we talking about how much the medical treatment costs to deal with this non-medical condition?

And the article I was just reading, John Mark from our channel had posted it. Mark Lambert had posted it, not from a Christian perspective, but here's a guy. He admits that he experienced what he called gender dysphoria in his 20s, but he's gotten over that, as almost everybody does.

And he pointed out the same thing, and that is that this this heart tugging argument is made that if we don't, if we don't, if all of us. Do not change everything in our lives, if not, if the ninety nine point nine nine eight percent of us that know what a man and a woman are and know that we are a man and a woman, depending on which one we are.

The ninety nine point nine percent of us have to fundamentally change everything about our families, our lives, our language and everything, just so the point zero zero one percent don't off themselves.

They don't kill themselves. They don't commit suicide or otherwise. It's our fault. It's your fault. You say bad things. And therefore, these people kill themselves instead of going, wow, if people are killing themselves, there's probably something wrong with them.

There's something wrong fundamentally with them mentally. They have a bad condition. They need help. But you're not allowed to say that anymore because of the sexual revolution. Hey, as long as you say you're something, that's what you are.

And so it was being pointed out, even the guy in the article was pointing out if if you if society has to provide hundreds of thousands of dollars to mutilate a healthy body into something that will no longer be healthy, we'll have to constantly be on drugs.

And if and if you stop the drugs, we'll revert back to the previous state as far as it can do so. That means that's its natural state. And so the solution is not, you know, this this stupid artificial division that has been created by pseudoscience between between gender and sexuality.

The idea is, well, you you alter the physical to match the mental. No, the intelligent thing, the sane thing is that you work on the mental to match the physical. That's that's the reality around us. And if your mind isn't working right, then you work on getting your mind working right.

But the whole idea that people whose minds aren't working right should be put into the military to go fight people. That doesn't make a lick of sense. That's why I said there was some sanity in Washington.

It won't last. It won't last. I mean, I'm glad that that happened, but you and I both know it could change tomorrow. It could be reversed tomorrow or at least when the next president is elected in just a matter of years or maybe a few more than that, one way or the other.

It can be changed instantly. So it doesn't reflect to me some fundamental groundswell of repentance and a regaining of a meaningful sexual and moral ethic and understanding of man in our society. I wish it represented that.

I would like to think it represented that, but it obviously, to me, doesn't. But even today, as I was driving in, whoever was filling in for somebody on one of the stations I was listening to on the way in.

A guy named Mark Larson, I guess he's a Christian. He even said so. He's from Dallas. He was filling in, I think, for Dennis Prager, and he said on the thing, I'm an evangelical Christian. He was talking about how we want to respond to transgenderism in a Christian fashion, things like that.

I want to spend a little time talking about that because I don't think the proper way is to say, well, here's my view and do it the way I do it. My response would be this, that, or the other thing. What you do is you provide the proper biblical worldview basis, and then if you're Scottish like me, you're going to be a little less nuanced in how you say things to all kinds of different people, and that's okay.

And if you're Italian, you'll be using your hands to say everything. I saw a meme recently. It had the alien thing. It was just about to eat you, and then it said, IT alien, Italian, and there were two little hands going, ah.

That's how it works. Tie an Italian's hands, you can't talk anymore. Oh, that was terrible. You can't even say that anymore. Oh, my goodness. Even though every Italian I know goes, yeah, that's right.

But anyways. Oh, you get so many emails. Yeah, well, what can you say? Oh, yeah, and then the thing about, eh, from Canada. I said, you mispronounced it. It's almost as bad as the Trekkies. I misspoke a few weeks ago about the Tribbles episode, and I said it was Voyager.

I know it was DS9. I've got the episode. I've seen it a half dozen times. I know what it was. I just misspoke because I was talking too quickly. They can't get over it. They can't let it go. Trekkies are weirdos.

That's all there is to it. DS9 discrimination. That's right. That's exactly right. Anyway, what was I talking about? Oh, yeah. So you lay a foundation and then each one of us makes application in the way that we need to make application from there.

And so what you simply have to understand is when we look at this transgender movement, aside from the extremely small number of people who have a genetic issue, there's another extremely small number of people who have a mental, well, gender dysphoria is what it used to be called.

They are confused as to what they are. There are people who, for example, don't feel that the body they're in is really their body. There's a well-known psychological problem where you don't believe that that hand, this is not my hand.

That is someone else's hand, and it is inappropriate for it to be connected to me. And so they want it removed. And the question then becomes, well, should you just go ahead and remove people's hands or legs?

You can't really do remove people's heads, but is there a way? Should we, just because someone in their mind has decided that's not my arm, should you just say, well, not only should that person be allowed to cut their arm off, but that person should be, but we as a society should pay to cut that person's arm off.

Because if you say we should pay to cut other things off, to make people's minds think that their body now matches what their minds think, why not arms and legs, fingers, toes, maybe a nose, ears? It's not my ear.

Cut the ear off. You pay for it. The reality is that the vast majority, the vast majority of what is called the transgender movement. Did you notice how the day after Obergefell, this became the focus?

There's a reason for this. There is absolutely a reason for this. It was the next step. It's all planned. It's all purposeful. The people who want to see the destruction of Western culture know exactly what they're doing and they are following a program.

The fundamental thing that keeps, that has kept Western culture strong has been the family based upon a male-female relationship. And the idea that since we are creating the image of God, there are strictures on that relationship.

And the chipping away at the foundation has now just become blasting away at the foundation. And it goes faster and faster and faster. So there's no foundation left and the whole thing falls over. And that's exactly what is desired.

That's exactly where people want this to go. They want to be replaced with something completely different, a secular totalitarian state. That's what they want. That's where they're going and we see it happening.

That's where the thought police are coming from the whole nine yards. So anyway, this, the vast majority of this has nothing to do with mental problems or genetic problems. It is purely rebellion against God's right to determine how man is to live.

Nothing more. I would say 98 .5 of this quote-unquote transgender movement is nothing but sexual perversion. It's nothing but, it's nothing but I want to fulfill my lusts in this way. It is rebellion against God.

When one of these house representatives, one of these representatives was saying, what about this guy from the Navy SEALs Team 6? Did you see the pictures? Oh my gosh, really? First of all, this person did not serve in drag.

I can guarantee you that person did not jump out of a helicopter wearing a wig or long hair or a bra, okay? This person did not serve as a woman in a male unit. Once they retired, they started cross-dressing.

But when people, when Ms. Magazine tells me that I have to look at that guy dressed up as a gal and say, this is truly woman, I refuse to do so because I'm married to a true woman and I know the difference.

And every guy out there knows the difference and every woman out there knows the difference and I'm not playing the fantasy game with you. I happen to live in the real world. Not going to go there. Can't go there.

As a Christian, I cannot go there. I don't see how any Christian ever could. Because you see, fundamentally at the base of all of this, the only way that you can accept a transgender worldview is if you accept the idea of secular atheism and neo-Darwinian micromutational evolutionary theory.

There's no other way to do it. If we are designed, if we are intelligently designed by God, then there's males and there's females and that is an absolute genetic scientific fact. We're not the same. We are different from one another.

And the only way that this wild-eyed idea of absolute human autonomy can ever gain traction, can ever be utilized, is if you deny the existence of God, of intelligent design, and of purpose and universe.

Because the whole thrust is that what a person thinks in their mind determines reality for them. Instead of the mind being receptive to reality and dealing with the reality around it, now the mind becomes the creator of reality.

Because you don't have a creator at all. And so man has to step in where man was never designed to step in. And so, just as in the redefinition of marriage, what we're being told, and it worked. It worked.

For a long time, we were able to maintain a statement in society that what we're talking about is redefining marriage. And then that stopped. That stopped. It became a justice issue. It became an inequality issue.

It was never about justice. It was never about equality. It was about redefinition of marriage. Now we're talking about the redefinition of humanity itself. And the only way that that can work is if you have a worldview that has so collapsed and becomes so quite literally foolish that mankind becomes his own creator.

Once that happens, then you can have people who one day are a female and the next day they're a male and the next day they're a camel and the day after that they're a horse or whatever. There's really no limitations to any of this stuff.

Because it's fantasy. It's pure fantasy and the mind is capable of coming up with a lot of fantasy. And so what we're being asked and what we've been asked all along to do is to deny what we believe. That is what is being asked of us, is to deny that there is a God, to deny that he is the creator, to deny that he has a purpose in how he's created mankind.

We are being told, you must deny that you're God's creature. You must deny that Jesus Christ is the creator of all things, that he entered into his own creation, that he taught about the relationship of men and women, he confirmed God's law, what is good and right in God's sight and therefore what's good and right for mankind.

You have to deny all of that or we will call you a bigot, we will call you a hateful person. And the process, you bring about not only destruction to the individuals, because this is not. Every study, and this would be true whether we had studies or not, but essentially in the Orwellian world that's coming our way, we won't have these studies.

They won't be allowed to be done. Mark it down. Write it down that in July of 2017, I said that if this keeps going the way it is, we won't have the freedom in a very short period of time to even do studies that would in any way contradict the perspective of the new society and the societal high priests that are running the new society.

We won't even be able to do it. But at least right now, we can point to studies that demonstrate not only that both homosexuals and transgendered individuals are more susceptible to self-destructive behavior, drugs, alcohol, suicide, massive sexual promiscuity, I mean just look at the standard male homosexual, thousands and thousands of partners on average.

It's just astounding. But, even when the transgendered individual is provided with auto-immolation, that's what it is, you cannot make a male into a female. You can chop a male body up, you can mutilate a male body, you can put a male body on artificial drugs to damage it, but that doesn't make a female.

And it never will. I don't care how far we advance, I don't care how, you can't transition. There's no such thing as transitioning. There never will be a thing like transitioning. It's just, sorry, doesn't work that way.

And it is destructive to even try to do so. So, it is destructive to that person's life. Every study has demonstrated that even the people who transition are many times more likely to suicide after the surgery than before.

Why? Because it doesn't accomplish anything. All these hopes they're given, oh, I'm going to be so happy, I'm going to be so fulfilled. No, you're not. No, you're not. That's the fact, that's the truth.

And the political correctness now says you can't tell people that. Oh, so you care so much about these people that you can't tell them that it's a big lie. And so you're going to let them mutilate their bodies and then find out for themselves it's the big lie and then they will be far more likely to commit suicide.

And this is the loving thing? Yeah. Because you've got to understand, the social engineers who are seeking to destroy Western culture don't care about anybody but themselves and their own power over the people.

They don't care about transgenders. They don't care about homosexual people. It's irrelevant to them. If they commit suicide, they don't care. It doesn't matter. As long as their stories can be used to promote their agenda.

They'll use anyone, they'll destroy anyone. So not only is it destructive to the individual, it's destructive to the society around us. Oh, you don't have any evidence? Yes, I do. Yes, I do. I make my granddaughter to target that I don't take her to the bathroom there.

That I can't. I have to plan my trip so as not to do those things. And it's not just Target anymore. Almost any place. In a number of cities, in public places and so on and so forth. You just don't have the freedom to be able to do the things you did before because of the insanity of city councils and people who get into government to promote this sexual revolution.

It is destructive. There are all sorts of studies again that won't be allowed to do this for much longer, but studies again that demonstrate that confusing little boys and girls about gender fluidity in first grade is child abuse.

And it is. It's absolute child abuse. So it's not only destructive to the individuals, it's destructive to the society as a whole. It's destructive to marriage. It's destructive to the family. And we've known this because of the fact that we know how God has designed us to flourish in this world.

And we are in open, unquestioned rebellion against it. And seeking to persecute and prosecute those who would stand against this revolution. They must be punished for not getting with the program. We will call them all sorts of names.

We will engage with them in meaningful debate because we can't. Our position is on an intellectual level absolutely absurd. And it can't defend itself. All we can do is yell and scream and just hope that we get to say it enough that people will accept what we have to say.

So from the Christian perspective, we recognize that God has created his world to function in a particular way and to live his life in the way he is intended to experience it until he submits to God's law and to God's way.

And we have a creator. Therefore, there is purpose. There is intention. And we don't have the right to change it. We don't have the right. That is the fundamental issue because everyone's saying otherwise.

Yes, I do. I have the right to change this. I have the right to rebel against God's created order. And if you're talking to people who call themselves Christians, this is a direct rebellion against the authority of Jesus Christ and his teaching.

And we are being told you can't follow Jesus in this matter. The social scientists have more authority. The social scientists have more insight than any person who lived 2 ,000 years ago in this matter.

That's what you're being told. They've never risen from the dead and they didn't create the world, but they have more authority. They have more authority. That's what we're up against. There can't be compromise here.

A Christianity that has no creator, has no law, therefore, has no message. There is no such thing as a secular Christianity. That's a blasphemy. It's a dead shell. It's worthless. And we're seeing a lot of that today.

Obviously, Christianity and liberalism, liberalism which departed from Christianity a long time ago, it's out there promoting all this stuff and thinks it's wonderful because they've got nothing else better to be doing because they don't have a message.

It's not a divinely revealed faith. And it doesn't challenge the world. It just simply gets told by the world what to do. That's why the world has no respect for it either. It's very obvious. The world hates Christianity because that's a challenge.

Real Christianity says Jesus Christ is Lord. Fake Christianity says the society is Lord and we'll make Jesus look like the society. And that's what we're seeing. That's what we're seeing. When you see every one of these churches that collapses and starts blessing same-sex unions and calling them marriages and doing the transgender thing and God's just made us all however we are, blah, blah, blah.

What you're looking at there is a secular society with a religious veneer on it that just comes up with a Jesus figure that looks like the most recent social scientist teaching at the local university.

And it's a blasphemy and it just reminds me that someday God will judge. And nobody's willing to say it anymore. No one is willing to look at these judges who judge unjustly and do what the psalmist said.

How many of the prophets and how many times in the Psalms do you have words addressed to judges that remind them that God is the final judge and that they have responsibility to judge in light of what God says is true.

Nobody says that anymore. No, no, that's threatening. That's hate speech. That's whatever. That's how you shut down any kind of conversation these days. And it works for people. It works for people. I mean, the people coming out of Caesar's schools reason as Caesar does.

And it's like Pavlovian stimuli. Ring the bell and I can't think like that. I've been taught not to do that. Yeah, it takes about 12 years of conditioning, but you can eventually get somebody to respond pretty pretty consistently, very consistently.

So God made us male and female. It's a good thing. It's a wonderful thing. It's a beautiful thing. It's a gift to mankind to recognize true masculinity and true femininity. It's a gift to mankind. And evidently Western society is no longer worthy of this gift.

And so the only way that I can look at that picture of that former Navy SEAL and understand why people would go, well, there's a good example. That's a true woman. The only way I can understand that is in light of Romans chapter one.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. Their foolish hearts are darkened and God gives them over in the lust of their hearts to the dishonoring of their bodies amongst themselves. There it is.

That's the only way I can understand it. Somehow Paul knew about this stuff a long time ago. So three times yesterday and it just just kept hitting me. My goodness. We are so far past the battle on this.

What are we supposed to do? Are we just fighting a rear guard action? Are we just in constant retreat? Well, the fact is if you live in a society in a nation or a broader society that is under the judgment of God you are called to be salt and light and it's not going to be fun.

And that society is going to try to shut you down. They're going to try to shut us down. I am shocked it hasn't happened yet but the day is going to come when we are going to have to find alternative ways of communicating with the people we are communicating with today.

There is no way that we are going to be allowed to have the freedom to make an argument because I've made an argument. I've made an argument that transgenderism is damaging to society and it's damaging to the people who are given the big lie that there is such a thing as transitioning.

I've made an argument and I've given facts and it's logical and it's rational. The response from the secular totalitarians will not be logical or rational. It's just shut up. That's why whenever anybody who has any kind of now counter-cultural message shows up on a university campus violence breaks out because you are not allowed to say these things and the day will come sooner than later when that's why I keep telling folks if you like the dividing line you better download it and save a local copy because eventually it's all going to disappear.

It's just going to. I know it's going to. These people do not value freedom. They do not value they have no basis in their world view for valuing freedom and liberty. They talk about it all the time but they are the most exclusivistic narrow-minded totalitarian individuals on the planet because once you don't have God once you are stuck with a secular system there are no other options.

There are no other options. It's obey or be destroyed. That's it. Just get along with us. We're in charge. That's how it works. That's how it works. Christian can't go along but you better know why or you're going to say you know what this isn't a hill to die on.

Well define for me a hill to die on because we're talking here about the very existence of God. What do you mean existence of God? If God created man and woman he defined all this. We don't get the option to say no thanks.

I mean aside from the fact it would result in the end of the species you know that little tiny thing there this comes down to can God define what sin is? Can God even define how mankind is supposed to even behave?

If not why are we bothering? Why are we bothering? That's truly the question. So as this as you as you interact as you watch what's going on with this transgenderism it truly it truly does demonstrate that once God gives a people over it's hard to even recognize it's hard to even recognize the image of God in a person who's been given over because their mind just becomes so self-absorbed with rebellion that every godly category is just wiped out and the logical thinking that should be there gone just gone it's amazing.

Transgenderism as Rebellion Against the Creator

Well anyway need to get back to William Lane Craig here shift shift gears. I what oh yes I minimized the channel because the discussions were so completely distracting and stuff that I just well I don't know what's going on in there but it's not helping me any that's for sure maybe nobody in there even knew the program was on because it certainly wasn't a discussion what was going on anyway for those of you who were not with us last time shame on you no we are listening to the interaction provided by Dr. William Lane Craig to a radio debate between Erica Nandez and Saiten Bruggencate on apologetic methodology.

Where have we gotten to this point. We've gotten to this point where a we are very certain that Dr. Craig doesn't take presuppositionalism very seriously because he's plainly never read original sources in the sense of for example meaningful scholarly articles that demonstrate the foundational consistency between Calvin's doctrine of the knowledge of God knowledge of man and Van Till's eventual codification of these things certainly hasn't read Van Till doesn't seem to have read any of the interpreters of Van Till whether it be Bonson or Frame or K. Scott Oliphant or other people that knew Van Till directly and have written concerning his perspective so on and so forth.

That has resulted in some oddly inconsistent replies and some somewhat humorous at times responses from Dr. Craig to what he's hearing because he's not able to put Cy Ten Bruggencate's comments into the proper context.

That's going to happen here in a moment when Cy makes a comment in regards to Elijah and the prophets of Baal and well, you'll hear what's going to happen. He can't even seem to differentiate between Cy's humor and a serious assertion but we can blame Cy for that because he's Canadian and, you know, Canadian comedy.

But anyway, so let's go back to listening to we're about halfway through the program here. Let's look biblically. You see that when Elijah was talking with the prophets of Baal, he didn't give them priests of apologetics.

He said, you build an altar, I'll build mine, and whoever God lights it on fire is a real god. Now let me stop right there. I just don't even see that as a relevant issue. These are not atheists, first of all.

He's not going to give a transcendental argument. These are individuals who have a knowledge of the existence of Yahweh but are either syncretists or reject the sovereignty of Yahweh. So this is a direct one-on-one competition between people who thought that the Baals had authority over particular areas and even geographically speaking.

Back then the idea was your god's authority basically ended at the geographical boundary of your nation or something along those lines. And Baal worship was very syncretistic. And so you wouldn't expect that this is an apologetic encounter in the sense of dealing with a secular humanist or an atheist or something like that.

You're dealing with a pagan theist who knows god exists, has rejected that god's existence, and is promoting another god. And are seeking to invite and have been invited by the apostate people of god to lead them in syncretistic worship, basically.

So it's a very, very different context. Very, very different context, So there's an evidence there being presented for the existence of which god is the real god. But it's not evidence of the existence of Aga.

There he believed that god exists. It's not like, well, we would like to invite the morally neutral priests of Baal to examine an argument. It's not a matter of examining an argument. And this is part of what Psy's response was.

And this is why, now that I'm listening a little bit more carefully, I fully understand why Psy said what he said, and now even more astounded that William Lane Craig responded the way he did. These are idolaters who are going to lose their lives in judgment from god for seeking to mislead the people of god.