Recap of the trip to Salt Lake City, audio clips of angry protesters at LDS Gen Conf

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And good evening and welcome to the dividing line a special edition of the dividing line this evening live on Thursday evening. If you're listening on Saturday. Yes, we record this on Thursday evening because I'm going to be out of town on Saturday Doing a men's retreat up in Prescott, Arizona, so we thought we would take care of the dividing line early we had things we wanted to share with everybody and Had some things want to play for everybody and get a little bit of your reaction to and so that's exactly what we're going to do this evening and So we would invite your participation.

I don't know how much interpret interpretation Participation we're going to be able to have this evening. But we will be taking phone calls a little bit later on if time allows us to do so we just got back from our semi annual outreach in Salt Lake City, Utah and over the past number of years That outreach has taken on a new Characteristic to it in the sense that up until two and a half three years ago we only Passed out tracks, and well, I'll take that back.

We had done some Some work in the sense of doing some radio programs and things like that. That was pretty much just myself. Staying later after everybody else had already left. But just a couple of years ago.

We began doing some debates on the Friday night before the the general conference the first was with a former Baptist who had become a Roman Catholic and Then all the rest of them have been on the subject of Mormonism with Authors and professors from Brigham Young University and at this time we did a debate with Martin Tanner he's an attorney a graduate of Brigham Young Law School and He is the host of a radio program, I think it's on KSL now up in Salt Lake City itself and he and I had done a number of radio debates before and This discussion was on the issue of deification so that's become a part of the ministry, but.

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Distribution of tracks and sharing with Mormons outside of The convention has changed a lot over the past number of years specifically. What has taken place is first we had the opening of what we call the Megan Ackle and the Megan Ackle the Very large meeting house across the street from the north gate of Temple Square.

Has changed the dynamic of the ministry because up until that point of the meetings took place in the Mormon Tabernacle the Mormon Tabernacle was on a Back we first started this anyways was in a situation where there were only three gates that people could go through other than the leadership Of the church itself to get to the general conference.

They had to go with the North Gate the South Gate or the West Gate now that then changed when they opened the East Gate and Then that changed when they purchased the land over there and and basically Found a way to get people in from at least the Joseph Smith building across the street without crossing allegedly Public property that whole issue is still up in the air as far as whether that's going to remain a no free speech zone but anyways.

Then at that time, you know, you could with a fairly small number of people pretty much cover all the exits in and out exits and entrances to the general conference and. Certainly when we first started doing this we had many more conversations than we have over the past number of years it has.

You know, there would be some years you'd have a lot of conversations some years wouldn't have as many but certainly Say up through about 1995 or so you'd have more than I have noticed that we've had over the past eight years or so then with the opening of the meganacle things really changed because People have to get in these long lines and and the the traffic patterns are different and people are trying to you know to get to where they need to go and It's just made it very difficult especially in the morning to have meaningful conversations with folks, but we've done the best that we could and you know developed good lines to get people to stop and talk and I certainly noticed that as soon as some Mormons, well, not really Mormons.

They're fundamentalist Mormons began showing up with These signs protesting the LDS churches stand on abortion. That a lot of the conversations began to to move away from wherever they were first of all.

Wherever anyone is standing like that with a sign that Mormons. Automatically just lump everybody together once you walk outside of one of the gates. Anybody who's out there? It doesn't matter how you're dressed how you're acting what you're doing.

They're just gonna lump you all into one group and when it was just our group that was fine. Because they would come out and we would be there and we would be addressed nicely. Frequently dressed similar to one another we're all distributing the same literature and we'd have lots of good conversations things like that.

But then as I said when these people began showing up with signs I noticed that we really needed to move away from them. You don't get into as many conversations as we did before. Then as most of you know Starting a couple of conferences ago.

We a year ago. We had Pastor Phelps as he is called show up and his protests against homosexuals and at the same time as Phelps showing up we began to see the first street preachers. These are individuals with big old signs.

Sort of walking for spiritual laws except not quite as complex as the four spiritual laws and we noticed them and but they were sort of overshadowed that first trip. By Phelps and his people who were just absolutely outrageous in their hateful behavior and in their un-christian behavior and things like that.

Then six months ago Phelps and his people were not there. But it was the King James only street preachers who were all over the place and we report on that we had a Main page article with pictures. The article is still there on.

In the LDS section where we talked about street abusers and we talked about them yelling and screaming at people. Well, they of course were back again they were there in Salt Lake City, and we are going to have on the website pictures and Probably even some AVI files so you can sort of see some some brief sections of the video that we took of these individuals they were back in force and Since we had dared to criticize them.

Now they had two targets. They not only had the Mormons, but they also had me specifically and So they were back in force and they started the way they normally start with their street abuse and I'm gonna play some sections for you, and I recognize some of these are gonna be difficult for you to hear for example, the first two that I'm gonna play are off of my My camera and this is just a little teeny tiny cannon power shot.

I mean, it's a very small camera and it takes AVI files and I've stripped the The sound out of an AVI file to play this for you, but if you listen carefully you can you can certainly hear it. At least maybe on the archive you can if maybe not live streaming.

But anyways, this first one just gives you a little bit of taste. This is an outrageous preaching. It's just if you know anything about Mormonism, you'll know that anyone hearing this is just gonna go.

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Yeah, all right, you know a lot about we believe now we have not doctored this. When when I first cued this one up, I almost didn't play it because up in Salt up in Salt Lake City the the crossing signals have a sound for people who are blind and All the way through this little clip you can hear one of these walking signals and we did not put it in there.

But it does sound rather ironic when you put the whole thing all together here. Let me let me show you what I'm what I'm talking about. The Mormons believe in the devil's Doctrine that's that's one of the street preachers.

He's holding a sign If I recall correctly from the AVI that was down at the Northwest. Well, it was across the street from the northwest corner of Temple Square. So it would be the southwest corner of the the Megan Ackle and so he's he's Just preaching that the devil said you become a god.

And yeah, there's there's there's an element of truth to that. But as you can tell it's not exactly preached with a lot of knowledge of. What's what's going on there now? I took my little camera up to The main section this is directly across from the North Gate it would be the south entrance to the what we call the Megan Ackle the meeting the meeting house there and the King James only guys were already there and One of them who is one of the ringleaders we we have a number of.

It does sound like a cuckoo clock, doesn't it? I told you we did not stick it in there. Anyways, one of the ringleaders one of the well, he's individual that I tried to talk to you six months ago and he was the one that I mentioned six months ago was just just berating the Mormons and and this this Mormon girl came up to him and he just ripped into her and When we came back from lunch I was actually gonna roleplay a Mormon just simply to to shred this guy because it's obvious He doesn't know anything about the Bible.

It doesn't anything about Mormonism and When we walked up there was a Mormon that I've talked to many many times a very well-read Mormon who was already doing that. Now I watched as a Mormon embarrassed this man.

Just shredded this man left him standing there without anything to say other than just go back to a couple verses. That he that this guy had already gotten around. You would think that that experience would cause you maybe to have some humility.

Not this guy. No, no. No, I think his name's Reuben. At least that's what I've been told. His name's Reuben and He's a big guy but he's a mean nasty guy, that's just all there is to it and He was up at the North Gate and I didn't get my camera out in time to catch the first thing that I heard.

But the first thing I heard was we'll call him Reuben yelling at the Mormons who are streaming into the conference center. You shouldn't be called Mormons. You should be called morons. Yeah, that's what he was that's what he was screaming.

Isn't that deep I mean isn't that a wonderful way to share the gospel. You shouldn't be called Mormons. You should be called morons. Isn't that isn't that deep? And so I I managed to get my camera out right after he had made this statement and I started it right as he said and you know why they called him Brigham Young and Right then I managed to get the AVI file started and here's what the rest of that clip sounds like.

There's there's Reuben now, let me play that first section once again. So what he says, you know why they call him Brigham Young cuz he wanted to bring him young 12 and 13 years old and that's what this is.

What is being yelled at these well-dressed individuals who are carrying their quads and and they're. They're scriptures and they're going in to their meeting house. And here's a guy in shorts and a black t-shirt carrying a sign that has very little to do with Mormonism at all and He's screaming at these Mormons.

You know why they called him Brigham Young. Because I see one of the Brigham Young. All that now what kind of response is that gonna get. I think if you recall he wanted Preaching yes, he calls that preaching.

Yes. I I wanted us to preach. Yeah. Yeah later on We'll hear them saying let you know come out of the closet King James White and start doing some street preaching same same guy this this whole type of of attitude.

Is what is pervasive and what these guys are doing and what kind of response? Do you expect to get from the Mormons you expect the Mormons to get out of the line and Come over to him and go, you know.

You're right. I had never thought it could could I find out what you believe? Of course not and that's not what they want. They just want people to hate them. They think that when people then act react in anger or roll their eyes I'll say I'm being persecuted for righteousness sake.

I'm good. That's how these people think they're a scourge a plague on anyone who's trying to do anything up there in Salt Lake City. They truly are. And they're proud of this kind of attitude. They really are proud of that kind of attitude.

We watched it all day long now. Let me say something. Um, there is everything right within a proper context of noting the the unbiblical un-christian activities of Early Mormon Church leaders in regards to polygamy.

There is no question. The polygamy was a step back From what Jesus himself had taught one man one woman together for life Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Eve and Isabel and Janet's and everybody else. There's no question that there was that there's plenty of things to say about Brigham Young and Joseph Smith and I think you can make a very good case that Joseph Smith was was a was sexually debauched.

No question about that. But what context are you going to be able to present that in that's going to have any meaning for anyone? It's not going to have any meaning when you're standing there. Dressed like you just got off of work on a dock.

With a sign that means nothing screaming at people as they walk across. Into a place where they consider themselves to be going to worship. It's absolutely positively.

Unbelievable.

To to try to deal with these folks. It truly truly is. Alright, I have then what we did Excuse me what we did is We had some of our new video cameras up in a Salt Lake City. To videotape the debate that was going to take place that evening.

It was gonna be a long day. I mean because financial constraints primarily. The sponsoring church up there Christ Presbyterian Church had had obtained a place the University of Utah beautiful place and one of the one of the best Venues we've ever done a debate and I would say very nicely set up.

Really really nice place to do it. But the only way we could afford it is if we did it on Saturday night because they didn't figure anybody would want to do anything on the Saturday night of conference and so we scheduled the debate for Saturday night and a bunch of people complained and yada yada yada and We'll of course take that in consideration in the future.

But anyways, we're gonna be doing the debate that evening. So we had our video cameras up there with us very nice video cameras excellent video cameras and and they're digital now and so. We had one of the video cameras out and we had it set up over in the section.

We had contacted the city. We wanted to be able to have some place Where we could actually try to have conversations with someone without these people standing there and yelling in our ears. It didn't work out that way, but we tried so we had contacted the city.

We had taken out a protest permit. We had done the things you're supposed to do. We rendered under Caesar the things that are Caesars and all did the King James only people not like that but anyway so we had a camera set up and so what we've done is we've taken the the audio portion of that and we've put it into a file and I went through it today and and pulled out a number of.

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Clips just to give you an idea now some of these clips. It sounds like a bunch of noise and that's the whole point. Imagine yourself put yourself in the position of the Mormon you used to come out of The tabernacle in Temple Square and there were some nicely dressed individuals.

Who offered you literature? They weren't yelling at you. They weren't screaming at you if you actually stopped to listen to them talking to someone else long enough. You discover that they'd studied your religion.

They're carrying your scriptures. They know what you believe and they show you respect. That's not the way it is anymore. Now you feel both going in and going out that you're running the gauntlet. You no longer feel Outside of when you're actually in the building or when you get away from Temple Square and you get into where the food places are.

You no longer feel comfortable. You don't like it there. It is a poisoned atmosphere. Here, let me give you an example of what I'm talking about.

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Wait a minute. Okay. Wait a minute. This isn't the preaching part here is now I this is one of there were two main people Who later on we're gonna hear them yelling and screaming at me and they held signs about me about King James White With quotes from letters to a Mormon elder.

Yeah, they actually made up signs about me for this trip and They call me King James White King Jimmy and they're mocking me and doing all the rest of stuff and This is one of the two this is a fella who right after I recorded what we just listened to where the guy was talking about Mormons should it's morons and bring them young and stuff like that right after that I'm holding my little teeny camera up again taking another AVI and we have this AVI and all of a sudden something hits my hand and the camera and of course I Flinch, you know because you it came from behind my head and It was one of these people's mother signs well believe it or not at the time I Thought I naive me.

I thought oh someone wasn't watching where they're going. Then I saw the AVI later and I realized wrong. This was very purposeful this individual a quote-unquote street preacher Tried to use the edge of his sign to knock the camera out of my hand and when you watch the AVI file you can See him looking back to see if he was successful.

Well, he wasn't thankfully This same guy. This is this section is him yelling at our people. And interestingly enough during this particular point in time. I'm not there. I went down to the South Gate and Had taken the time to sort of get away from things.

We had some folks distributing literature at the South Gate and I went down there to scan through a new farms Publication that we had just published just to print one more time purchased That day because it was relevant to the debate that night.

There's no way you'd ever have time to scan through something like that in With all the noise and everything's going on at the North Gate. So I'm not even there though You'll notice I get mentioned anyway, so here's the guy who tried to use the edge of his sign to knock the camera out of my.

He's one of the two people who stand there mocking me for 45 minutes holding signs about me but this is between he's trying to knock the camera out of my hand and then.

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Encounter later on when I am there when they pull up the signs about me. So this is this is one of those quote-unquote street preachers.

You guys are in direct violation of God's. Dr. James White is about to get a malpractice suit from God himself for teaching another gospel himself. You can't win Mormons teaching from an NIB from a perverted text and he don't even preach.

The Bible says the foolishness comes to him the proof. James White is a phony and you guys tell half-truths. Everybody that even saw that thing all they could see is James White saying I, I, I.

Now can you can you sort of tell that this fellow doesn't like me? He accuses us of half-truths. They've never been able to document any of those and of course we have more and more video now of exactly how they are behaving.

And then God's gonna I'm gonna get a malpractice suit from God. I'm not preaching the gospel. And why because I use an NIV. Well, actually I don't He he you know Amazing thing about these men is their absolute incredible ignorance I mean, they're some of the most ignorant men of their signs have misspelled words.

Um, it's this guy at the north side and Just to give you a background he was just railing on me he's holding this was sort of a yellowish sign and it had all these false religions on it and I even had a guy come up to me over at where we were standing and Asked me said man, you know when you walked by they this guy was going make way for Lucifer.

Here comes Lucifer. What's his problem and I got a chance to tell this guy all about these people and he just couldn't believe him. He could not believe these people actually exist, but that was so they were saying make way for Lucifer.

That's what they're saying about me. Well, here's this guy standing there with this sign and I look at it and all of a sudden I realized one of the one of the groups that he's he's saying is wrong our buddhists.

Yes B U D D ISTS buddhists and We had a good time with that as is that a springtime group when when trees are budding just what is it? We know of course he meant buddhists B U D D H ISTS but he couldn't spell it right and Later, we wanted Anything and later we walked by him and I just couldn't help it.

But yeah, I was sick and tired of these people I said by the way, it's he misspelled buddhists and His response is yeah, I did on purpose. I Thought yeah, should I stop and ask him exactly what your purpose was there, but I realized I Probably couldn't handle the inane response that I would get back from that.

So I just you just you just walk by and you go Ah, whatever. Oh Anyways, the ignorance these folks I you know, I work on the new American Standard. He doesn't know that. Where are we using the NIV? I.

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You just sit there and shake your head so we've got a false gospel because we've got the NIV and Just just absolutely Positively unbelievable. This is this is you know, once we get the pictures up, you'll be able to see this guy.

He was wearing a wine-colored Shirt and you know, we'll point him out. We'll probably attach this clip to it so you can you can listen to him. You know railing away and and so on and so forth. But this is this is the kind of stuff that we were putting up with let's listen to what do are we gonna?

Well, actually we've got a couple minutes for the next next break. So let's let's listen to another another clip here. It goes on from there, but it's difficult to hear. Let me move it down a little bit for the.

You can sort of hear it in the background there actually hear a number of them and it was this cacophony of Wine W I any wine-colored shirt. Come on. Give me a break here. There's this cacophony of yelling and and you listen to some of it.

Isaiah was a prophet but Isaiah couldn't save you. Moses was a prophet. But Moses couldn't save you and again, you have to try to put yourself in the shoes of the Mormons. Who are walking by looking at these people going?

Where did they land from? I I mean, how can you ever expect any mormon person to give you the time of day? When you obviously haven't given them the time of day. You don't know anything about what they believe or or showing them any respect at all absolutely positively.

Amazing it it it truly truly is. Let's listen to another section. Okay, all right, all right, I gotta I gotta set this up. I didn't write down what all these cuts were the the lunch rush hits and it's Just just thousands of Mormons.

I mean thousands of hungry Mormons heading for Crossroads Plaza and these the ZCMI Center in downtown Salt Lake. I mean, I would imagine the the restaurants do 30 percent of their entire years money on those two conference weekends.

I I bet you they do. It's just a zoo as they head to go get their food. And so here comes 30 ,000 Mormons coming across the street. And I had a feeling we knew they had some signs because we had seen them wrapped up and we had seen letters to a Mormon Elder we had seen my name.

We knew it was coming. So as soon as the big rush hits all of a sudden the Reuben guy in black and then the guy that we just listened to railing at us about the male malpractice. They whip out these two signs about me.

Now the signs weren't that bad. In fact, I found it. Absolutely. I Don't know I Very strange because the quotations they used from letters to a Mormon elder were accurate. There was a quotation from letters to a Mormon elder.

I said the Holy Spirit has never given anyone a testimony that Joseph Smith was a prophet and I contrasted Christianity and Mormonism as a difference between monotheism versus polytheism and All those things are true.

The only thing I can figure out is they Somehow think that I'm ashamed of what I've said in my books and I'm not. They don't seem to understand that the issue is not. That Mormonism is right. It's very clearly wrong.

It's how you communicate that to Mormons. That's the issue. They don't know how to do it. I Mean, they're right that Mormonism is wrong. They just don't know why and they don't seem to care to learn from anyone how to do it That that's the issue.

So they had these signs, but then they started mocking as you can listen to their mocking me. They're just.

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Didn't I'm not gonna play this clip, but there's one point where they're saying That man's so intelligent his brain so big his hair fell out. I mean at that point I said to riches these guys could go on the road.

I mean, they're they're they're hilarious.

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That's the clip. We're gonna play and this is called a teaser. See, we're gonna take our break and you and if you go away if you touch that dial. Well, there's not a dial on computer. But if you disconnect you're not going to be able to hear that particular section.

We're just going to play right after this break. Be right back.

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And welcome back to dividing line we are reporting on our Interesting experiences in Salt Lake City. And as I said before the break the fellow who Wore the wine colored that's not wine. What is that? It's this it's not really.

Is that the ASU color type thing? What was Colors, I'm not really good at colors. Anyways. He the same guy we listened to before about the malpractice suit he and Ruben the dude in the shorts with the black shirt and There they've whipped out the King James white signs and here's here's what we listened to for 45 minutes.

Well, there's some.

I'm watching the I'm watching the reaction of people in the channel and that's pretty much the reaction of all the Mormons. Can you imagine what the Mormons are thinking while this is going on? They're looking at these people.

Now what I didn't mention to you is Let me let me see if I can find this this one kid. There's this one kid in a blue jacket and You know, I just felt sorry for him. I Mean this this kid is just I mean he is not The sharpest knife in the drawer.

You know what? I mean? I the term dim bulb comes to mind here we're just not running on all eight cylinders and he's been sucked in by these guys and he thinks this is just wonderful and He's the one you can hear going my favorite person's Gail Kippinger.

There it is, there it is, I love Gail Kipling. Er here.

It's rippling er, oh now see you're all going not come on, but you got to realize this kid put on a skullcap to make him bald to look like me and So he stand next to these other dudes there to yell in this stuff and this kids got this bald cap on and He doesn't even know what Gail rippling er his name is.

Thank you, oh man, ah. Can you imagine what the Mormons are thinking here? I mean they're just going. You've got to be kidding me this this is this is.

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Joseph and Brigham on the Jerry Jerry Springer show. Yeah these guys look like refugees from the Jerry Springer show. I mean either one of them could be the bouncers on the Jerry Springer show. Good night.

Especially the Reuben dude the the guy in the black if that's his name. He looks just like those bouncers in the Jerry Springer show. Absolutely. Simply amazing. Let's listen to some more of this so wonderfully deep stuff.

Now do you hear that he is. Please come to the debates. They knew about the debates and in this section. They're taught they make some comments about the debates. I don't know if you heard that, but he's going come out of the closet.

King James become a preacher. Now never that last section. Take his literature. He was upset because they only passed out a few pieces of literature, and we're talking about The fact that we mentioned in the web article that when these people around Mormons will not take tracks They don't want to they just automatically assume everybody is Is all in the same group.

And one of the worst things that I thought other than just the the complete You know idiocy of these people were Portraying the Mormons was as we're gonna hear a little later on they were dishonest. They started saying we're with them.

Now one little section here this is.

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Little clip this is only seven seconds long. There are some Mormon girls and Of course we we mentioned six months ago what these people did to some of these little Mormon girls. And it was disgusting.

But there's some Mormon girls watching these guys and you know these guys the cap on that makes them look bald and they're sitting there. Yelling. And what they're can you imagine what does a Mormon think King James white is I?

Mean a white Bible is that. What what are these people talking about? I mean they really this is the Jerry Springer show as far as they're concerned but there's these girls that came up and We also noticed in the video some some missionaries would like stand in front of them and get pictures taken just like it.

You know. Hey look.

You know sort of like when you have pictures taken in front of the the ape display at the at the zoo. You know. And hey look in town. Yeah circus is in town. Yeah, they they they've showed up outside the thing here.

Well some of these girls were doing the same thing and I want you to listen to the comment that we found on the on on the video. Did you catch that let me play this middle section again? They look like idiots.

Well you know out of the mouths of babes. Yeah, that that's that's exactly what they what they look like. There's no two ways about it. I mean you look at the videos this stuff. It's absolutely incredible.

Well we continue on.

Okay.

Now did you catch that. I had not. I had not caught that. So just now. He wants to take Joseph Smith's place. This bald guy right there King James white wants to take Joseph Smith's place.

Right.

Now I noticed something. That man, this is the guy in the maroon shirt is the actual color. Thank you very much. And he's losing his voice. Now you know Gail Rippling or would undoubtedly come up with something interesting about that so would text Mars.

But anyways, I guess when King James only people lose their voice. That's not relevant, but anyways He's lying. I never said any of those things that he's attributing to me, and he knows it. He has absolutely positively No problem whatsoever Lying through his teeth these quote-unquote street preachers have no problem lying as long as it promotes their cause.

They will put you Mormons in your place. Maybe he'll give you a Mormon discount since the church has already.

Help him out guys. King James white. That was the the last little little section there. Don't worry. There's only one left. Because you're probably going. Stop Stop. I. I certainly you know after watching in the second time.

It wasn't enjoyable the first time. But it was it was pretty incredible. This last clip is a section where these men are simply lying. They lied before. But here you can see exactly what they want to do.

And you again one of the reasons we're doing this let me just mention. There are probably some some good people who might not like my Calvinism or something like that But recognize that we're doing a good work anyways who may be sending money to the sponsoring churches of these organizations.

Some of these people work with street preachers org.

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There is a church in Salt Lake City that was putting all these people up. What was the name of that? Do you remember the name of that place? I think it was Bible Baptist. I know as a King James only Baptist Church up there.