May 6, 2022 Show with Kathy Barnette on “Daughter of a Rape Victim Who Rejected an Abortion” PLUS Ricardo Davis on “A Black Conservative’s Fight to Defend the Unborn”

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Good afternoon Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity

Living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com.

This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Friday on this sixth day of May

2022 and I'm absolutely thrilled to have a first -time guest whom I've wanted to have on this

program for quite some time and The Lord finally opened the door for this interview.

My guest today is Kathy Barnett.

She is professor of corporate finance and a conference speaker a conservative

political commentator and Candidate for the United States Senate in Pennsylvania today.

We're going to be not only addressing Her candidacy for Senate, but we're also going

to be talking about a powerful element in her life.

She is the daughter of a rape victim who?

Rejected an abortion and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the first time ever to iron trip and Zion radio

Kathy Barnett.

Thank you so much for having me on and I appreciate it.

Oh, it's my pleasure Kathy.

First of all let's get into your background as far as when you

first Had an inkling and inspiration a drive to

enter into the ugly arena of politics.

That's the only thing right.

Edmund Burke has this quote that you see it you hear a lot of conservative.

Quoting the only thing that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do

nothing.

And yet, you know.

We did not end up where we are today where we have a sitting president talking about a ministry of

truth.

By.

Osmosis we got here because for good or bad good people have been Doing nothing.

We've been we're doing nothing in the world of you know in the realm of politics.

We've been you know paying our bills and then our kids off to school living our best lives and as a

result we we created a vacuum and That vacuum has been filled

by some of the most despotic and ridiculous people with equally Ridiculous

ideologies, that's how we ended up where we are today.

And so As that became clearer and clearer and I'm watching the world in which I'm living in towards the end of

2019 I started looking around and wondering what more and asking what more can

I do?

And lo and behold, that's a dangerous question to ask because lo and behold God Well

someone in my past who simply asked the question have you ever thought about running for politics.

And That was a seed that was planted that began to really began to grow in me.

Now have you always? been socially and politically conservative.

I know that you are on fire for the Lord Jesus Christ you are a

Thorough believer in the Lord and have a strong faith by the grace and mercy of God.

But as far as your understanding and your involvement or uninvolvement in politics

years ago when did the understanding of a

biblical worldview begin to enter into your political ideology as well.

Well, you know most black people I was born into the Democrat Party just like I was

born into brown skin.

I grew up, you know, very impoverished grew up in Southern, Alabama and we always go to church

and so everybody a Christian and conservative and most black people are we're most black people are

conservative and yet we don't tend to vote that way.

But you know, I grew up conservative.

And yet, you know was voting Democrat.

Early on until I was about a junior in college that I began to you know began to see things

differently but I gave my life to the Lord when I was 19 years old and I

really began to look at the world through you know, the lens of you know.

That there is that there is truth that truth does exist.

Truth has a name.

And I began to look to you know began looking through the world through that lens and really seeking that truth

and.

That was and then, you know started

thinking probably about a junior in college.

I wanted to get involved in politics and Went to the first office

political office I thought was Democrats and I walked and said I want to help you with your campaign and as the

gentleman was talking to me about his.

About his office.

I had an epiphany and the thought was do you even know what he believes?

Do you even know if what he believes is what you believe and that truly was the first time?

That I began to you know, look at the policies of these individuals.

You know what have they said?

Versus how do what they say show up in communities in which I lived in which are predominantly black

communities?

And so that was the first time that I had that thought of moving beyond Just

a party and beginning to look at the value people are.

You know incorporating in their policies and how those values show up in various communities

and I'm probably what 20 21 at that point and.

So I you know and that started the process of me beginning to you know.

Stop voting exclusively get a Democrat and it wasn't long after that.

I began to vote exclusively.

Republican now have you received a significant

Bad reaction any pushback from.

The black community in particular for being a conservative in that community.

You know, I mean, of course, right?

It's you know, they don't understand it like I said 92 to 95 percent of black people vote Democrat

and you know and Unlike any other group of people ethnicity of people.

The the way we vote is almost synonymous with the color of our skin.

So if you start rejecting the Democrat Party from black, it feels as though you're rejecting your

community.

But I believe that is changing more and more.

You know, we are paying attention to what Democrats have said they want to offer us and

versus what.

That you know how those policies show up in our community and you know, quite frankly.

Especially if you're a believer, you should expect to be rejected.

Jesus said they rejected me.

So of course, they're gonna reject you and I'm made of 30 or stuff.

I really don't if everyone is liking me.

That's that's a problem.

The especially in the culture in which we find ourselves in right?

We're in a very hostile Culture to some degree and we have you know

issues that are topics that are very.

You know near and dear to our heart and there's a lot of pushback on those topics today.

And so everyone should not be.

I mean if everyone likes you that's a problem.

Especially in a culture in which we find ourselves in right now, right right the scriptures warn about.

Beware when all men speak well of you.

So.

And on Friday.

So you need to be very mindful of that in a culture in which we find ourselves in right like just the culture of

life.

You know, this is a very important this is a very important conversation and

We all don't agree.

You know in this culture That's probably a problem.

Amen, and One of the primary issues that sets you apart

from those running in the Republican primary for Senate

Is that you are a thoroughgoing Advocate for the rights of the life of the

unborn and I love how outspoken you are About

being the daughter of a rape victim who rejected an abortion which is why

you are even alive and breathing and running for Senate today and for some

reason people seem to think In fact, I believe

Statistically most Americans seem to think that this is an acceptable reason to murder a

child if you are The the product of

a rape or incest situation.

They think that well instead of punishing the The father the biological father

let's let's leave it an option open for the mother to murder her baby who is conceived through such a

union and I Am I am so blessed to see how outspoken you are.

Can you tell us something about that story?

I know it begins with your mom who was 11 years old when she was raped.

Can you continue with that?

Yeah, you know What a wonderful time we find ourselves down, right.

I think it's after 17 verse 27 where the Word of God says it is God who determined the time

and the place in which we're living in.

And What a wonderful opportunity at this time and age to be able to

stand up boldly for truth.

I don't believe you can make up truth as you go.

I believe there is such a thing as right and wrong and I am so grateful To God that he has given me a

platform to where I can stand up.

Lean forward put a smile on my face and begin to speak truth, right.

And What a wonderful Topic to be able to stand and and to

speak that truth about I mean what's more important their life?

And life.

It must be the life of some of the most innocent among us and so I'm grateful for the opportunity

to be able to stand on a national platform and to and to

you know defend to speak up for to be the voice of So many that

even in conservative Christian communities.

We we say oh that one is an exception.

We'll get abortion except for you know.

These two exceptions in my life just so happens to be one of those exceptions to the rule.

You know as you've already said my mother was 11 years old when I was conceived.

My father was 21 and I had absolutely nothing to do with

how I was conceived.

I took no part of that at all.

And yet there was right and I have never tried to glorify how

I was conceived.

But the root but the fact remains that is my gender part of my genesis, so that's a

part of my story and I was more than just a Complacent

then and as I speak to you now, I remain more than just a complex down.

And I'm so very grateful to God that there were adults in the room because as you can imagine

my mother was too young to make.

Such a.

Decision of keeping me or not keeping me, but the adults who are in the room are

value.

And my life, so I'm eternally grateful for that.

And now I have a wonderful opportunity.

Being able to stand up and share that with others.

Amen.

Now were you raised by your grandparents along with your mother who was 11 at the

time of your birth?

Yeah, and.

Did you hear the gospel of Christ from them or was it somewhere else that you

discovered the precious gospel of grace?

In our in our finest and we'll walk up that deal to that little white church.

We were in church every time the door open.

I remember all the revivals during the summer and the week -long Revivals and I mean it's what we

did and I'm so very grateful that my family, you know introduced me to you know to

To the word and to truth.

But it wasn't until I was 19 that I actually made you know I came into a personal

knowledge of Jesus And made her my Lord and Savior, so he's been walking with me for a

very long time walking and leading.

Amen, what are the primary areas of other than obviously?

The abortion issue which I prefer to call infanticide.

I disagree with the many political

pundits who are even professedly conservative who will only refer to it

as Infanticide when it's a late -term abortion.

It's infanticide from the moment of inconception when that baby is murdered.

But what are some of the other?

Areas primary areas that you as a daughter of God as a

Bible -believing born -again Christian Think are the primary areas that you need to

tend to as a senator to make changes in Pennsylvania.

Yeah, you know trying to pick one thing is like trying to drink from a fire hydrant these days.

Everything is on fire.

I mean everything is on fire.

You mean something I mean it is just and you have to sit back and look and think to yourself either.

These are some of the stupidest people who have ever been able to manage to get their hand on

control of our country or.

They know exactly what they're doing.

I'm leaning towards the latter.

I think these people know exactly what they're doing.

I mean You can take the energy crisis that we find ourselves in you know because I

grew up on a pig farm.

You know farmers are near and dear to my heart and the largest industry of Pennsylvania happens to be.

Our.

Agriculture and so the first three months of my campaign.

I started working with or started going and visiting and speaking with our farmers and

You know I just talked to one of them a couple of weeks ago, and he said this time last year He was

paid he paid $40 ,000 just to fertilize 600 acres of

corn.

This year it is costing him 120 $1 ,000 to fertilize the

exact same 600 acres of corn now.

Who do you think it's going to eat that cost?

I mean if he's if he's going to stay in business It's certainly not going to be him it's enough to find a way to pass that

on to you and I so we're talking about You know gas prices right now.

We're talking about the cost of heating.

Pico just raised our heating bill by 38 %.

And that's being felt all across Pennsylvania averaging between 30 and

like I said hours is 38 percent.

You know people are going to feel that but also in food, and then you have to and then you ask okay?

Well, what's the primary ingredient and fertilizer?

It's energy.

It's methane and Fighting gets an office.

We take the way our energy independent.

We were energy independent now.

We're not and he immediately gets on hands and knees and go over to Russia and buy and

buy it from them.

What is so different from Russia's oil and gas that is our oil and gas hours is cleaner.

So if these Democrats really care about climate change in the environment that they would be doing everything they

could To make us energy independent, and they would specifically be talking about liquid natural gas, but they're

not why is that?

Because they know exactly what they're doing and then you have you know just to add insult to injury Janet yelling

gallivanting all across the world Convincing wealth managers not to invest

Specifically an American fossil fuel.

She's not telling them not to invest in Iran fossil fuel.

I'm gonna play my fossil fuel or Saudi Arabia fossil fuel.

Jesus typically telling them not to invest in American fossil fuel and as a

result 42 of the world's wealth managers will not Invest in America fossil fuel.

Why is that?

Especially when we know energy is everything energy is freedom ask Ukraine ask Germany

the World Economic Forum Convince Germany not to To destroy

their energy independence they shut down their nuclear plant and immediately began to

Get it from Putin and now Putin because of America and Germany Controls more than 10 of

the world's energy source.

Putin would not be able to do what he's doing in Ukraine if it wasn't for America and Germany allowing

him to control over 10 of the world's energy source, so Again

this is not rocket science for those of us who are paying attention and know how the world works and

and all of That and how you know economics work so you have to say either these are some of the

stupidest people who have been able to wrestle power into their hand or the other

option which is exactly what they're doing and yet they're doing it and America is filling the

pain I believe the pain is going to become more intense for a lot of people as we usher as we

continue moving on this year.

I.

Was very happy to hear that you just got the endorsement of the gun owners of America.

And very providentially just yesterday.

I had on my program Chris door who is the president of the American firearms Association?

But obviously since the gun owners of America have endorsed you it must be a reflection

of the fact that the Second Amendment is also something that you hold near and dear and

I have always found it absolutely baffling.

Why so many?

Black folks are voting into office and keeping in office

those Tyrants really who want to make sure that

they are not owners of firearms and many as you know of the black community are

living in some of the most dangerous areas in the United States as This is the government really taking

the ability Away from people to defend themselves in their own homes in some of the most

dangerous areas, and it's mind -boggling why?

Your average black citizen and voter would be okay with that in fact.

Could it be a secret to the majority of the black citizens that the reason why we even have gun

control laws to begin with was because after the freedom of the slaves there

were white bigots who were Fearful of the the freed slaves having firearms.

That's where the gun control Came into the country.

Black Americans white Americans, whoever is that people don't know their history.

And then we find ourselves where we are today.

That's one to.

You know, I have to put some blame on the Republican Party.

I believe the Republican Party has the better value.

I believe we have the better story.

However, we keep picking people who suck at telling our story.

That's right, and they and they don't make a compelling case.

They don't weave together a compelling narrative.

You know, you have a lot of people at my race who are saying I can't be bought.

Well, that's because they're busy spending all their money trying to buy up other people.

They can't be bought because they don't need any of us, right?

Because they're so rich and because they're so rich.

They don't know what it feels like when gas prices get to five dollars.

They don't feel it the way the rest of us feel it, right?

So they can't relate to people and as a result, they don't go into these, you know black

and brown communities and And make a compelling case because they haven't lived.

Well, I'm not saying all of them haven't lived through things because I know I've met a number of very wealthy

people who started off the lower Down the bottom wrong than I did, but you have some

specifically those who are running in my race right now.

You know, I've lived a quite charmed life and now you're going to send them into Philadelphia.

Or into some of these areas that are 35 % below the poverty level trying to make a compelling case.

No.

They're going to just get right over that and that's the reason why the Republican Party primarily do just that they just

get right over certain communities for good reasons or bad reasons.

The fact is Republican Party has left the predominantly black community up for grabs that's

to the Democrat Party and so the Democrat Party walked in selling victimhood and

Continued to get the vote.

This is like this is going off over 50 years.

That's a Democrat Party has you know, primarily received a black vote and when I go into

the black community I ask what I believe is a very legitimate question.

What exactly have we gotten for all of that loyalty?

No one is more loyal to the Democrat Party than black people and then you see what they get

the Democrat Party.

They can't get the White House unless they secure 90 to 95 percent of the black

vote.

But what exactly has the black community gotten for all of that loyalty because our neighborhoods are some of the worst

neighborhoods.

Our schools are some of the worst schools.

Home ownership is some of the lowest.

If I think that's a very legitimate question to ask.

But how many on the Republican Party are willing to go into these particular communities in an authentic

way?

You can't go in there high and mighty.

You can't go in there because you memorize the talking point.

You have to be authentic because you're dealing with people and people before they're willing to listen to you.

They want to know to care.

Do you really care or you just come in in here trying to do with Democrats?

I've always done sell a pipe dream.

Are you dirty?

We really care.

And so I think that's one of the reasons why my campaign is done.

So well is because people know that I love people.

I want to see people do well.

I don't care who you are.

I don't care the color of your skin or your background or your orientation if you are an American I want to see you

doing well, and they see that they Can relate to me and they find

you to be authentic.

Hey, man, and is Mehmet Oz still leading in this race.

I'm very disturbed about that.

I was very disheartened by President Trump's endorsement of him.

One of the things that baffles me is I think that he would Win over the

hearts of more truly conservative Republicans if he admitted That he used to be

extremely liberal, but he he I've never heard in with my own ears Him admit

that at least once he was very liberal and and he's he just

acts as if he has always been a quote.

Sounding thing right and that's the reason why he gets an endorsement and I got all the

benefit.

Because I am now in a statistical with Mehmet Oz and

Dave McCormick.

How did that happen?

They have spent over 60 million dollars on this race and I spent less than two million

over the course of 12 months.

So, how does that happen that we get the endorsement of?

President Trump.

We should have shut the door on all of us and yes, I.

Because of that as a direct result of that endorsement I've done.

I mean I've shot up.

I've been surging and all the numbers.

Why is that because high name ID works both ways?

Oz's name ID is so high that we all know he's not a conservative.

We know that and the fact that he's arrogant and thinking that we're so stupid that we don't

know Any of this and we're like in some kind of cult that just because President Trump has endorsed.

And we're all going to just lay down and do this whole no.

We can walk into God we can appreciate what President Trump did and in the way of policy.

When he was in office and how he stood between us and the left.

We wanted to just pounce on us as they did These past two years when they were able to get President Trump out of

the way so we can acknowledge that.

Respect that and greatly appreciate it but Donald Trump is not Jesus and so he gets to be

wrong and he's wrong on this endorsement and the people have shown that with their

movement to me and Supporting me and what it is that I am

offering them.

I mean he even endorsed.

Transgenderism amongst children, I mean.

It.

Christians and conservatives typically love a conversion story some kind of a

radical turnaround for the better, and he should have.

If he has indeed truly changed he should be reveling in that

and making that a big part or a significant part of his whole story, but he is acting as if he is

Never believed in those things and has always been a so -called conservative.

Truly

Today and tomorrow.

Liberal.

Yeah and McCormick.

Some of his ads have been absolutely ridiculous and juvenile.

There was even an ad I couldn't believe my eyes and ears in this day and age of

date rape.

The man in an ad is bragging about his sexual conquests in high school by calling them

touchdowns.

Quote -quote.

I Was just I was sitting there with my jaw hanging open.

Thinking how on earth could this man be so moronic as to use that in a campaign ad?

But they are playing a role.

They think this is what it means to be conservative.

Look at what the left believe.

They believe that we are a bunch of racist.

Are you still there?

Kathy yeah, okay.

Now I can yeah.

They believe we're racist.

But they but you know, I mean, but I'm not far from that right they will soon be calling me the black.

The black face of white supremacy.

But let's just remember who these people are and what they think about us.

They think we're all a bunch of racists.

They think we are, you know, misogynist.

So hence the reason I haven't seen that particular ad.

But that you're referencing.

However, if that is what was in it, that's what he said.

It wouldn't surprise me.

I've always said very openly these people are not Conservative.

They are liberals and so they're playing a role and the role they're playing is what they believe.

It means to be a conservative that we're a bunch of racists and we are.

You know misogynist and so, you know massage.

Someone who's a misogynist he would think it's it's comical to

reference conquest as touchdown.

Yeah, he was.

The ad featured a couple of his friends from high school and they were Laughing about

how he was making touchdowns basically off the field if you know what I mean kind of a thing.

Yeah, and he and he you see him glancing up into the sky with a smile as if he's reminiscing Oh,

yeah scored a lot of touchdowns.

I was just I was amazed by it.

But anyway, how can our listeners of iron sharpens iron radio pray for you?

Obviously, I want them to pray for your victory in the Senate race.

But how else can we pray for you?

Just

pray.

I believe our country is

in trouble.

I love America, I'm so grateful to God that this country has allowed me to be able to

claw my way from underneath The rock and to create a different narrative for my family along with

my husband.

But our country is in trouble.

So pray for her pray for you know.

Our eyes to for our voters eyes to be open.

And of course, you know We still have 11 days.

So I'm gonna need people to pray and donate.

I'm gonna need people to pray and go knock on doors for me.

Pray and Volunteer to to man some of these polls out there.

We still have a lot of work to do and so, you know I'm thinking about the book of James where he talked

about, you know.

You can see my face by what I do.

Believing is not enough.

So I would strongly encourage people who are listening to this program to pray and do.

Pray and go walk to your neighbor's house and make sure they know who their options are.

That you vigorously defend You know me as the as their

choice, especially if they are Republican and and get them there to the

voting booth.

Amen, and I hope when you become our next Pennsylvania senator I

hope that you will return to I am sharpens iron radio for the two hours the full two hours of the program.

I know that you could only be on with us for 30 minutes today, and we've actually gone a little over that.

I thank you for your patience with me on that.

I would love to have you and your mom back on the program.

Is your mom still with us?

So hard changes

who you are

and so my mother has had you know a difficult Time in

life, but what I will say is, you know That harm was

inflicted upon my mother whether they decided to to murder me in her room or not.

And so I'm so grateful because now I get to be a net for my mother I get to

catch her and so now I get the wonderful privilege of taking care of my mom and she would love to.

Oh great.

Well, I would love that.

One of the things that was so precious to me is hearing your mom Say when she

discovered she was pregnant even as a very young girl 11 years old that she

didn't even have a second thought about Ending the life that was in her.

She it was a no -brainer to her that she was to keep you and deliver you.

Amen, well, I want to let our listeners know about your website.

It's Barnett for Senate comm.

B a r n e t t e For Senate comm and you can find

out how you can help Kathy in her campaign.

There's only 11 days to go.

Please visit that site today.

Thank you so much Kathy for being such an excellent guest today and as I said, I look forward to your return to the

program as senator and Also to have your mom with us.

God bless you.

Don't go away folks because we've got a lot more in store on the program.

We are going to be joined momentarily by my second guest who I

am sure will edify you.

He is the president of Georgia right to life.

His name is Ricardo Davis and he comes to us today by the strong enthusiastic

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If you just tuned us in or it's a second guest today.

Joining us for the very first time ever on iron sharpens iron radio is Ricardo Davis The

president of Georgia right to life and as you heard me say before the

station break He comes with the highest of recommendations.

From my dear friend and my favorite guest on this program or one of my very favorite guests.

Dr Joseph C Mork rep the third and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron

sharpens iron radio Ricardo Davis.

Why.

Thank you Chris very much for the opportunity and.

Great.

Well, I hope you see him soon.

He is such a precious brother.

Well.

Tell us about Georgia right to life.

Well

organization and praise

God.

Yes,

indeed.

There is a from the

hallelujah.

According to dr. Moore craft one of the reasons that he's so enthusiastically supports

Georgia right to life is that I'm not saying that you're the only

Organization that has this view, but you're not Surrounded by

many who are of like mind.

Unfortunately, but you at Georgia right to life take a very strong stand that there are no

exceptions.

To the right to life of an unborn child.

Am I right

being our public policy?

We call it printed.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Sure.

You can break that now.

Okay, man.

So essentially action

for those

because of Unrighteous law

right them.

We will not violate the law of God in advancing our

public policy.

A man for example

for the

United States decision on the Bob if

You wanted to craft a piece of legislation

heartbeat.

What's is going to be?

Cannot attain that.

Then I

will

say oh

and one of the things but we'll get back to.

Georgia right to life.

But one of the things that we do here in iron trip and Zion radio when we have a first -time guest.

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Including what kind of religious atmosphere if any you were raised in and what kind of providential circumstances

our sovereign Lord raised up In their lives that drew them to himself and saved them.

And I'd like to hear a summary of your story.

All right.

Well, I was born and raised in Little Rock, Arkansas.

Not too far if people were familiar with

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In

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Amen.

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Ricardo as I was asking my first guest today Kathy Barnett

also also very a very conservative black sister in

Christ Who is very passionate not only about her faith and her Lord Jesus,

but about the defense of the unborn with no exceptions.

I asked her and I'd like to ask you when in your own life.

Did this passion for the unborn? begin and A biblical

worldview developed in your own consciousness.

Because you as you were saying about your own testimony you began in the

National Baptist Convention, which is unfortunately a denomination

That has many representatives that deny the pillars of the faith.

Sometimes even denying The Trinity the deity of Christ the bodily resurrection the

substitutionary death of Christ and so on and you were speaking about a nominal

a Nominal religious life at one point, but then you truly got born again.

So when did this.

When did this passion begin in your life in a biblical worldview develop

and providence of God.

I got connected with faith ministry.

Wow, and and it was in particular the

In

Not just or

this is somebody else's problem if anyone's

really

in the lost spirit kind of carried over

into that area so as I.

What it is

early days of

me standing in front of

the public

funding of a

board on that

PhD

in chemistry

the

rescue movement

and

we've lost our guest again.

Hopefully he will call back and.

I will.

We are getting a call back again.

Here we go.

Hello Ricardo.

Yes, I am back and my apologies.

We're just having some technical issues today, but praise God We have

multiple technology.

Technologies to get to you.

Amen. Amen. Praise God.

Okay, as I was saying what.

The door open for a

life

ministry, I

haven't really been intimately involved in is.

Well, actually, you know that that reminds me of Accusations that

leftists and pro -infanticide Individuals hurl

and individuals such as you and I and everybody else who is an advocate for the life of the unborn and

Very openly and vociferously opposed to the murder of the unborn.

They hurl us the accusation that Basically, we've made

idols of fetuses and we do not care about the

lives and health and well -being of children

after they're born Obviously alluding to a

Conservatives view on fiscal issues that would involve typically an

Opposition to leftist welfare programs and all kinds of things.

How do you respond to that?

Accusation, I'm sure you must have heard it.

It's a very common accusation is because you will have a pro

-infanticide person in a corner Looking evil perhaps during a

debate or a conversation and they have to turn the spotlight on you and try to

insinuate that you and I and all of us who are Opposed to abortion that we are

the ones that are uncaring and so on.

So, how do you how do you respond to that?

Somebody came

up care about helping why very much

in a in a church

framework.

From the moment that

child an adult and I'm

says that my

house

I've

been able to

rate

possible To take care of those children because

usually

the

leftist the

same thing and expecting different results is somehow Caring for the mother or the child

now.

Obviously, there are Christians not only across this nation

but even worldwide but there are Christians who are hungry and very

much sometimes even desperate to adopt children and they

even Go overseas to do that.

They even you know, I know people personally that flew to Ukraine To adopt

children.

I knew people I know people that flew to China and Korea to adopt

children.

Obviously there are People out there who want to

adopt and are being held up in that area.

Isn't one of the.

Answers to that issue and one of the solutions to make it easier to

adopt since

you mentioned that.

One of

the elders at the

adoption fell she did not

want.

I may not Have had any hands -on experience working in the

area of adoption.

I'm somewhat familiar With the issue and what I call

that

whether we're talking about the costly legal hurdles.

To adopt especially domestic again the one

elder I was speaking, you know

when you spend,

you know,

they

In their pocket.

So you got that's one thing.

The other thing faith in

the

child.

I know some of

what's necessary to keep

into the hands

of

money from the stem

talk

all

day about.

What the Church

of Jesus, you know.

Christianity

that's the days of the Roman Empire.

Show me what?

Your paganism or show me what amen that is.

I mean even hospitals and.

Psychiatric hospitals and all kinds of things came into existence through

compassionate Christians.

That is correct.

So to that end I.

Basically, yeah, I don't I don't.

I'm not familiar with Madeline Murray O 'Hare Hospital or.

We have the Margaret Sanger Birthing Center.

Well, you brought up.

So, where where do we see the care for the children?

Yes.

I can't even think of any other way.

They must be looking at it other than they think they're involved in mercy -killing

but they're really involved in Alleviating any

discomfort that a pregnant woman believes she will have by

carrying a baby to full term Whether it be financially mentally emotionally or

physically.

They really are putting the the happiness of a woman

far above the most fragile and helpless humans in existence

the unborn.

Yes, you know, we know the Bible says that

Children

are a and

yet

instead

of

death.

Now all this stuff about all this

stuff about

caring

so -called in the Atlanta area

and that's

what

they and this is

just.

What's most infuriating is when they have the audacity and the

vile satanic indifference to the life of the unborn

as to refer to the murder of the unborn as Women's health care.

Oh that just drives me up a tree to use an old -fashioned phrase.

I just well, but Chris, let's do this.

Especially for folks that are you know on what I call the advancing

Redouble our effort to making sure That we are essentially

meeting a broken world where they are

foremost that means In our in our

churches our evangelism and disciples

being seriously the fact that

acted

by elective abortion or they themselves if

you think about that because the

guilt like

that innocent

child heavy

on the conscience of the

land the one hand I

The gospel who's

been impacted

we

have the

message

brother.

That

is It's the only

thing with the guilty

hallelujah full

of the

kingdom That is the only thing that will do it and

advancing that as we say shoes on

Years before they be even more

so if they keep

their child, but now they're

struggling

because the preaching

Adopts, I

my prayer is that that again?

Amen.

And we will be

at hands and feet to the spirit of God

changing of one young lady

in the

nurture and

admonition.

Good timing.

And they are happily

last

year the children that

we are

working.

Amen.

Oh, that's really it.

We're not just

there to protect the child.

We're there to restore the family.

Amen.

Well, it's so good to hear.

And another Reason why you have become near and dear to my

heart during this conversation.

Knowing that you have no exceptions to.

The protection of the life of the unborn.

The thing that those who perhaps are just trying to win votes

from Conservative individuals who are are

quote -quote pro -life they Will tip their hats to that but

always leave the claws for the health life of the

mother and the.

If the mother is the victim of rape or incest they fail to realize.

Or at least they They may realize it but don't care but.

Once you have given those exceptions, you are no longer calling it murder.

And the only reason the one and only Reason that abortion

should be outlawed is because it's murder.

That's the only reason it should be outlawed.

So when you give those exceptions?

You're really making it a matter of personal opinion on things.

And you remove the whole sting.

You remove the vile and satanic nature of what is occurring.

Do you agree?

I agree now If we can shift to

What I call

a

most

of

the why

is

that?

Regarding do that so

much.

I

was a

office I would pay.

There is a paucity of

Expand with regards to morals

and ethics

on the question

now.

We're talking about the application of biblical ethics, and there's very little of that

sad to say many of

Helping elect these men and women as they aren't getting

it either.

Well, oh,

well.

Oh, well to get that vote that you were talking about.

Well, yes, I'm pro -life.

Yes I believe that abortions

murder

if the baby has some kind of genetic defect

that

Application of the Word of God with regard to the ethics of the administration of life.

Chris.

Amen, and let's let's pick up where we left off.

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I frequently get requests from listeners for church recommendations.

A church I've been strongly recommending as far back as the 1980s is Grace Covenant Baptist Church in

Flemington, New Jersey pastored by Alan Dunn.

Grace Covenant Baptist Church believes it's God's prerogative to determine how he shall be worshiped and how he

shall be represented in the world.

They believe churches need to turn to the Bible to discover what to include in worship and how to worship

God in spirit and truth.

Grace Covenant Baptist Church endeavors to maintain a God -centered focus.

Reading preaching and hearing the Word of God singing psalms hymns and spiritual songs.

Baptism and communion are the scriptural elements of their corporate worship performed with faith joy

and sobriety.

Discover more about Grace Covenant Baptist Church in Flemington, New Jersey at GC

BCNJ dot Squarespace .com.

That's GC BCNJ dot Squarespace .com or

call them at nine zero eight nine nine six seven six five four.

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Tell pastor Dunn that you heard about Grace Covenant Baptist Church on iron sharpens iron radio.

Pastor Bill Sasso.

Grace Church at Franklin here in the beautiful state of Tennessee.

Our congregation is one of a growing number of churches who love and support iron

sharpens iron radio.

Financially.

Grace Church at Franklin is an independent Autonomous body of believers Which strives

to clearly declare the whole counsel of God as revealed in scripture through the person and work

of our Lord Jesus Christ and of course the end of which we strive is the glory

of God.

If you live near Franklin, Tennessee in Franklin is just south of Nashville.

Maybe ten minutes.

Are you are visiting this area or you have friends and loved ones nearby?

We hope you will join us some Lord's Day in worshiping our God and Savior.

Please feel free to contact me if you have more questions about Grace Church.

Our website is Grace Church at Franklin org.

That's Grace Church at Franklin.

Dot o -r -g.

This is pastor Bill Sasso wishing you all the richest blessings of our sovereign

Lord God Savior and King Jesus Christ today and always.

Linbrook Baptist Church on 225 Earl Avenue in Linbrook, Long Island is teaching God's timeless truths in

the 21st century.

Our church is far more than a Sunday worship service.

It's a place of learning where the scriptures are studied and the preaching of the gospel is clear and relevant.

It's like a gym where one can exercise their faith through community involvement.

It's like a hospital for wounded souls where one can find compassionate people in healing.

We're a diverse family of all ages Enthusiastically serving our Lord Jesus Christ in fellowship play and

together.

Hi.

I'm pastor Bob Waldeman.

I invite you to come and join us here at Linbrook Baptist Church and see all that a church can be.

Call in Brook Baptist at 5 1 6 5 9 9 9 4 0 2 that's 5 1 6 5 9 9

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Or visit Linbrook Baptist org.

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arnzen and we have our final segment today.

And we've been having technical difficulties with my guest but thank God he's always able to

reconnect We before we return to your last comment.

And if I'm not mistaken if I were to summarize the sentiment that you had

It would be that Christians as well as others Have long misunderstood

the whole concept of the separation of church and state.

Which is not in the Constitution, but was a promise by Thomas Jefferson to Baptists

that the the new nation that was being formed would not establish a religion

that would persecute them or Impose its beliefs upon them in any way or enforce

their beliefs Upon the Baptist, but we could return to that.

I just want to make sure we got to at least a couple of our our listener questions.

Go right ahead.

We have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania.

Who's who's asks?

Chris asked his first guest today Kathy Barnett how much opposition she had received

From the black community for her strong stances on conservative issues.

Have you also received that kind of opposition?

Now how much is it common knowledge that The

whole abortion industry began as an effort to eradicate the United

States from the black population first by the

vision to enforce sterilization and Then later to actually murder the unborn.

How common is that?

Awareness that that is where Planned Parenthood came from.

That's the the evil passion of Margaret Sanger its

founder.

Is this like a thing?

That is a big secret amongst.

Many in the black community.

In other words.

This is my observation.

A black

community in America.

Well,

I

want.

You because we're really rapidly running out of time.

I want you to summarize Uninterrupted in several minutes what you most want etched in the hearts

and minds of our listeners today when it comes to This issue and specifically to

Georgia right to life.

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God.

Well, I want to make sure that our listeners have your website.

I know that your website had been hacked.

Into and is being restored and it may not be working currently.

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actually

checked

it, right?

Ain't coming.

But again, the website is gr TL dot org.

You can still find us.

They haven't shut a Facebook

because of air as well.

And as I always do or try to remember to do when I discuss abortion on this program I highly

recommend that everyone watch the documentary called maafa 21 that's that's

spelled M as in Michael a a F as in Frank a the subtitle of that documentary is

black genocide in 21st century America and you can find out more about that at

M a a F a 21 calm.

That's M as in Michael a a F as in Frank a 21 calm.

Thank you so much for being such an excellent guest today, brother.

I look forward to your return to the program and I thank my friend. Dr Joseph C more craft the third for

highly recommending you.

I want to thank everybody who listened today.

Especially those who took the time to write in.

I'm sorry that we couldn't Ask and have all of your questions answered we ran out of time.

I also want to thank Kathy Barnett a candidate for the United States Senate in Pennsylvania Who

was my first guest today and you can find out more about how to support her candidacy at

Barnett for Senate calm.

Be a are any TTE for Senate calm.

I hope you all have a very safe happy healthy Blessed and joyful

and Christ honoring weekend and Lord's Day.

And I hope you and I hope you all remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior.

Then you are a sinner.

Hallelujah, amen.