May 6, 2022 Show with Kathy Barnette on “Daughter of a Rape Victim Who Rejected an Abortion” PLUS Ricardo Davis on “A Black Conservative’s Fight to Defend the Unborn”

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Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Friday on this sixth day of May 2022 and I'm absolutely thrilled to have a first -time guest whom

I've wanted to have on this program for quite some time and The Lord finally opened the door for this interview my guest today is

Kathy Barnett she is professor of corporate finance and a conference speaker a conservative political commentator and Candidate for the

United States Senate in Pennsylvania today. We're going to be not only addressing Her candidacy for Senate, but we're also going to be talking about a powerful element in her life

She is the daughter of a rape victim who? Rejected an abortion and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio

Kathy Barnett Thank you so much for having me on I appreciate it. Oh, it's my pleasure

Kathy first of all, let's get into your background as far as when you first Had an inkling an inspiration a drive to enter into the ugly arena of politics

Because we must that's the only thing right Edmund Burke has this quote that you see it

You hear a lot of conservative quoting The only thing that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing

And yet, you know We did not end up where we are today where we have a sitting president talking about a ministry of truth by Osmosis we got here because for good or bad good people have been

Doing nothing. We've been we're doing nothing in the world of you know in the realm of politics

We've been you know paying our bills and then our kids off to school living our best lives and as a result we we created a vacuum and That vacuum has been sealed by some of the most despotic and ridiculous people with equally

Ridiculous ideologies. That's how we ended up where we are today. And so As that became clearer and clearer and I'm watching the world in which

I'm living in towards the end of 2019 I started looking around and wondering what more and asking what more can

I do and Lo and behold, that's a dangerous question to ask because lo and behold not

Well someone in my past who simply asked the question. Have you ever thought about running for politics and That was a seed that was planted that began to really began to grow in me

Now have you always? been Socially and politically conservative.

I know that you are on fire for the Lord Jesus Christ you are Thorough believer in the

Lord and have a strong faith by the grace and mercy of God but as far as your understanding and your

Involvement or uninvolvement in politics years ago when did the

Understanding of a biblical worldview begin to enter into your political ideology as well

Well, you know most black people I was born into the Democrat Party just like I was born into brown skin

I grew up, you know, very impoverished grew up in Southern Alabama and we always go to church and so everybody a

Christian and conservative and most black people are we're most black people are conservative and yet we don't tend to vote that way

But you know, I grew up conservative And yet, you know was voting

Democrat Early on until I was about a junior in college that I began to you know began to see things differently but I gave my life to the

Lord when I was 19 years old and I really began to look at the world through you know the lens of you know that there is that there is truth that truth does exist and Truth has a name

And I began to look to you know began looking through the world through that lens and really seeking that truth and so that was when

I was about 19 and Then you know started thinking Tell me about a junior in college.

I wanted to get involved in politics and Went to the first office

Political office I saw Democrats and I walked in and I want to help you with your campaign and as the gentleman was talking to me about his

About his office. I had an epiphany and the thought was do you even know what he believes?

Do you even know if what he believes is what you believe and that truly was the first time?

That I began to you know, look at the policies of these individuals

You know, what have they said? Versus how do what they say show up in communities in which

I lived in which are predominantly black communities And so that was the first time that I had that thought of moving beyond Just a party and beginning to look at the value people are

You know incorporating in their policies and how those values show up in various communities

And I'm probably what 20 21 at that point and So I get it done and that started the process of me beginning to you know

Stop voting exclusively get a Democrat and it wasn't long after that. I began to vote exclusively

Republican now have you? received a significant

Bad reaction any pushback from The black community in particular for being a conservative in that community

You know, I mean, of course, right? you know, they don't understand it like I said 92 to 95 percent of black people vote

Democrat and You know and unlike any other group of people ethnicity of people

The the way we vote is almost synonymous with the color of our skin So if you start rejecting the

Democrat Party complex, it feels as though you're rejecting your community

But I believe that it's changing more and more You know, we are paying attention to what

Democrats have said they want to offer us and versus what that you know how those policies show up in our community and You know, quite frankly, especially if you're a believer, you should expect to be rejected

Jesus said they rejected me. So of course, they're gonna reject you and I'm made of 30 or stuff

I really don't if everyone is liking me. That's that's a problem The especially in the culture in which we find ourselves in right?

We're in a very hostile culture to some degree and we have you know issues that are topics that are very

You know very dear to our heart and there's a lot of pushback on those topics today and so everyone

Should not be I mean if everyone likes you that's a problem

Especially in a culture in which we find ourselves in right now, right? Right the scriptures warn about beware when all men speak well of you

So You know Down and on Friday they were screaming crucify

So you need to be very mindful of that especially in a culture in which we find ourselves in right like just the culture of life

You know, this is a very important. This is a very important conversation and We all don't agree

If we're all on the same page, you know in this culture That's probably a problem amen and One of the primary issues that sets you apart from those

Running in the Republican primary for Senate Is that you are a thoroughgoing?

Advocate for the rights of the life of the unborn and I love how outspoken you are

About being the daughter of a rape victim who rejected an abortion which is why you are even alive and breathing and running for Senate today and for some reason people seem to think

In fact, I believe Statistically most Americans seem to think that this is an acceptable reason to murder a child if you are the the product of a rape or incest situation they think that well instead of punishing the

The father the biological father let's let's leave it an option open for the mother to murder her baby who is conceived through such a union and I Am I am so blessed to see how outspoken you are.

Can you tell us something about that story? I know it begins with your mom who was 11 years old when she was raped.

Can you continue with that? Yeah, you know What a wonderful time we find ourselves down, right?

I think it's after 17 verse 27 where the Word of God says it is God who determined the time and The place in which we're living in and what a wonderful opportunity

At this time and age to be able to stand up boldly for truth

I don't believe you can make up truth as you go I believe there is such a thing as right and wrong and I am so grateful to God that he has given me a platform to where I can stand up lean forward put a smile on my face and begin to speak truth, right and What a wonderful Topic to be able to stand and to speak that truth about I mean what's more important their life and life

It must be the life of some of the most innocent among us and so I'm grateful for the opportunity to be able to stand on a national platform and to and to You know defend to speak up for to be the voice of so many that even in Conservative Christian community we we say.

Oh that one is an exception We'll get abortion except for you know

These two exceptions in my life just so happens to be one of those exceptions to the rule

You know as you've already said my mother was 11 years old when I was conceived

My father was 21 and I had absolutely nothing to do with how

I was conceived I took no part of that at all And yet there was right and I have never tried to glorify how

I was conceived but the fact remains that is my part of my genesis, so that's a part of my story and I was more than just a clump of cells then and as I speak to you now

I remain more than just a clump of cells And I'm so very grateful to God that there were adults in the room because as you can imagine my mother was too young to make such a

Decision of keeping me or not keeping me, but the adults who were in the room are value

And my life, so I'm eternally grateful for that and now I have a wonderful opportunity

Being able to stand up and share that with others Amen now were you raised by your grandparents along with your mother who was 11 at the time of your birth?

yes, and Did you hear the gospel of Christ from them or was it somewhere else that you discovered the precious gospel of grace?

In our finest and we'll walk up that hill to that little white church

We were in church every time the door opened I remember all the revivals during the summer and the week -long

Revivals and I mean it's what we did and I'm so very grateful that my family

You know introduced me to you know to to the word and to truth

But it wasn't until I was 19 that I actually made You know

Knowledge of Jesus And made her my Lord and Savior, so he's been walking with me for a very long time walking and leading

Amen, what are the primary areas of other than obviously?

The abortion issue which I prefer to call infanticide I disagree with the many

Political pundits who are even professedly conservative who will only refer to it as Infanticide when it's a late -term abortion.

It's infanticide from the moment of inconception when that baby is murdered But what are some of the other?

Areas primary areas that you as a daughter of God as a

Bible -believing born -again Christian Think are the primary areas that you need to tend to as a senator to make changes in,

Pennsylvania Yeah, you know trying to pick one thing is like trying to drink from a fire hydrant these days

Everything is on fire. I mean everything is on fire. You mean something I mean it is just and you have to sit back and look and think to yourself either

These are some of the stupidest people who have ever been able to manage to get their hand on control of our country or They know exactly what they're doing

I'm leaning towards the latter. I think these people know exactly what they're doing. I mean You can take the energy crisis that we find ourselves in you know, because I grew up on a pig farm you know farmers are near and dear to my heart and the largest industry of Pennsylvania happens to be or Agriculture and so the first three months of my campaign

I started working with or started going and visiting and speaking with our farmers and You know,

I just talked to one of them a couple of weeks ago and he said this time last year He was paid he paid $40 ,000 just to fertilize 600 acres of corn

This year it is costing him $120 ,000 to fertilize the exact same 600 acres of corn.

Now, who do you think is going to eat that cost? I mean if he's gonna stay in business, it's certainly not going to be him

He's gonna have to find a way to pass that on to you and I so we're talking about, you know gas prices right now

We're talking about the cost of heating Pico just raised our heating bill by 38 %

And that's being felt all across Pennsylvania averaging between 30 and like I said hours is 38 %

You know people are going to feel that but also in food and then you have to and then you ask okay

Well, what's the primary ingredient and fertilizer? Energy it's methane and Fighting gets an office

He takes away our energy independence. We were energy independent now We're not and he immediately gets on hands and knees and go over to Russia and buy and buy it from them

What is so different from Russia's oil and gas? That is our oil and gas I was this cleaner so if these

Democrats really care about climate change in their environment that they would be doing everything They could and make us energy independent and they would specifically be talking about liquid natural gas, but they're not

Why is that because they know exactly what they're doing and then you have you know, just to add insult to injury

Janet yelling gallivanting all across the world Convincing wealth managers not to invest

Specifically an American fossil fuel. She's not telling them not to invest in Iran fossil fuel of Venezuela fossil fuel or Saudi Arabia fossil fuel

She's just typically telling them not to invest in American fossil fuel and as a result 42 percent of the world's wealth managers will not

Invest in America fossil fuel. Why is that? Especially when we know energy is everything energy is freedom.

Ask Ukraine. Ask Germany the world economic form Convince Germany not to Also destroy their energy independence.

They shut down their nuclear plant and immediately began to Get it from Putin and now

Putin because of America and Germany Controls more than 10 % of the world's energy source

Putin would not be able to do what he's doing in Ukraine if it wasn't for America and Germany allowing him to control over 10 % of the world's energy source, so Again, this is not rocket science for those of us who are paying attention and know how the world works and and all of that And how you know economic war?

so you have to say either these are some of the stupidest people who have been able to wrestle power into their hand or the other option which is they know exactly what they're doing and yet they're doing it and America is filling the pain

I believe the pain is going to become more intense for a lot of people as we continue moving on this year.

I Was very happy to hear that you just got the endorsement of the gun owners of America And very providentially just yesterday.

I had on my program Chris door who is the president of the American firearms

Association? But obviously since the gun owners of America have endorsed you it must be a reflection of the fact that the

Second Amendment is also something that you hold near and dear and I have always found it absolutely baffling

Why so many? Black folks are voting into office and keeping in office those

Tyrants really who want to make sure that they are not owners of firearms and many as you know of the black community are living in some of the most dangerous areas in the

United States as This is the government really taking the ability

Away from people to defend themselves in their own homes in some of the most dangerous areas, and it's mind -boggling why?

Your average black citizen and voter would be okay with that in fact

Could it be a secret to the majority of the black citizens that the reason why we even have gun control laws to begin with was because after the freedom of the slaves there were white bigots who were

Fearful of the the freed slaves having firearms. That's where the gun control came into the country um

You are a wise man. You have obviously read your history I have a problem with a lot of Americans black

Americans white Americans. Whoever is that people don't know their history And then we find ourselves where we are today.

That's one two You know I have to put some blame on the Republican Party. I believe the

Republican Party has the better values I believe we have the better story However we keep picking people who suck at telling our story that's right, and they and they don't make a compelling case

They don't weave together a compelling narrative You know you have a lot of people in my race who are saying

I can't be bought well That's because they're busy spending all their money trying to buy up other people

They can't be bought because they don't need any of us right Because they're so rich and because they're so rich They don't know what it feels like when gas prices get to five dollars

They don't feel it the way the rest of us feel it right so they can't relate to people and as a result

They don't go into these you know black and brown communities and And make a compelling case because they haven't lived well

I'm not saying all of them haven't lived through things because I know I'm not that a number of very wealthy people who started off the lower

Down the bottom rung than I did, but you have some specifically those who are running in my race right now

You know I've lived a quite charmed life, and now you're going to send them into Philadelphia Or into some of these areas that are 35 % below the poverty level trying to make a compelling case

No, they're going to just get right over that and that's the reason why the Republican Party primarily do just that they just get right over Certain communities for good reasons or bad reasons the fact is the

Republican Party has left the predominantly black community up for grabs just to the Democrat Party and so the

Democrat Party walked in selling victimhood and Continued to get the vote this is like this is going off over 50 years that the

Democrat Party has you know primarily Received a black vote and when

I go into the black community I ask what I believe is a very legitimate question what exactly have we gotten for all of that loyalty no one is more

Loyal to the Democrat Party than black people and then you see what they get the

Democrat Party They can't get the White House unless they secure 90 to 95 percent of the black vote

But what exactly has the black community gotten for all of that loyalty because our neighborhoods are some of the worst neighborhoods

Our schools are some of the worst schools Home ownership is some of the lowest

And so I think that's a very legitimate question to ask but how many on the Republican Party are willing to go into these particular communities in an authentic way

You can't go in there high and mighty you can't go in there because you memorize the talking point

You have to be authentic because you're dealing with people and people before they're willing to listen to you

They want to know to care. Do you really care or you just come in in here trying to do with Democrats?

I've always done sell a pipe dream. Are you dirty? We really care and so I think that's one of the reasons why my campaign is done

So well is because people know that I love people. I want to see people do well.

I don't care who you are I don't care the color of your skin or your background or your orientation if you are an

American I want to see you doing well, and they see that they Can relate to me and they find me to be authentic Amen, and is

Mehmet Oz still leading in this race. I'm very disturbed about that. I was very disheartened by President Trump's endorsement of him one of the things that baffles me is

He I think that he would win over the hearts of more truly conservative

Republicans if he admitted That he used to be extremely liberal, but he he

I've never heard in with my own ears Him admit that at least once he was very liberal and and he's he just acts as if he has always been a

With Mehmet Oz and Dave McCormick, how did that happen? They have spent over 60 million dollars on this race and I spent less than 2 million

Over the course of 12 months. So how does that happen that he gets an endorsement of?

President Trump we should have shut the door on all of us. And yes, I Because of that as a direct result of that endorsement

I've done. I mean, I've shot up. I've been surging and all the numbers Why is that because high name

ID works both ways? Oz name ID is so high that we all know he's not a conservative

We know that and the fact that he's arrogant and thinking that we're so stupid that we don't know

Any of this and we're like in some kind of cult that just because President Trump has endorsed him

We're all going to just lay down and do his home. No We can walk into God we can appreciate what

President Trump did and in the way of policy When he was in office and how he stood between us and the left

We wanted to just pounce on us as they did These past two years when they were able to get

President Trump out of the way so we can acknowledge that Respect that and greatly appreciate it

But Donald Trump is not Jesus and so he gets to be wrong and he's wrong on this endorsement and the people have shown that with their movement to me and Supporting me and what it is that I am offering them.

I mean he even endorsed Transgenderism amongst children,

I mean Christians and conservatives typically love a conversion story

Some kind of a radical turnaround for the better and he should have if he has indeed truly changed he should be reveling in that and making that a big part or a significant part of his whole story, but he is acting as if he is

Never believed in those things and has always been a so -called conservative truly

Convergent All the way up Ads have been absolutely ridiculous and juvenile

There was even an ad I couldn't believe my eyes and ears in this day and age of Date rape the man in an ad is bragging about his sexual conquests in high school by calling them

Touchdowns quote -quote. I was just I was sitting there with my jaw hanging open

Thinking how on earth could this man be so moronic is to use that in a campaign ad

I Still there

Kathy. Yeah. Okay now I can Not me you guys

But they but you know, I mean, but I'm not far from that right they will soon be calling me the black the black face of white supremacy

But let's just remember who these people are and what they think about us. They think we're all a bunch of racists

They think we are, you know misogynist. So hence the reason I haven't seen that particular ad

But that you're referencing However, if that is what was in it, that's what he said.

It wouldn't surprise me. I've always said very openly. These people are not Conservative they are liberals and so they're playing a role and the role they're playing is what they believe

It means to be a conservative that we're a bunch of racists and we are

You know misogynist and so, you know massage I'm someone who's a misogynist.

He would think it's comical to reference Conquest as touchdown.

Yeah, he was the ad featured a couple of his friends from high school and they were

Laughing about how he was making touchdowns basically off the field if you know what

I mean kind of a thing Yeah, and he you see him glancing up into the sky with a smile

As if he's reminiscing. Oh, yeah scored a lot of touchdowns. I was just I was amazed by it

But anyway, how can our listeners of iron sharpens iron radio pray for you? Obviously, I want them to pray for your victory in the

Senate race, but how else can we pray for you? You know, I mean just pray that recognize that they do not have to hold their nose

To sort of two evils Just pray for our country.

I I believe our country is in trouble. I love America, I'm so grateful to God that this country has allowed me to be able to Claw my way from underneath the rock and to create a different narrative for my family along with my husband

But our country is in trouble. So pray for her pray for you know, our eyes for our voters eyes to be open

And of course, you know, we still have 11 days So I'm going to need people to pray and donate

I'm gonna need people to pray and go knock on doors for me Pray and volunteer to to man some of these polls out there

We still have a lot of work to do and so, you know I'm thinking about the book of James where he talked about, you know

You can see my face by what I do Believing is not enough

So I would strongly encourage people who are listening to this program to pray and do

Pray and go walk to your neighbor's house and make sure they know who their options are

That you vigorously defend you know me as their choice, especially if they are

Republican and Get them there to the voting booth Amen, and I hope when you become our next

Pennsylvania senator I hope that you will return to iron sharpens iron radio for the two hours the full two hours of the program

I know that you could only be on with us for 30 minutes today, and we've actually gone a little over that I thank you for your patience with me on that I would love to have you and your mom back on the program.

Is your mom still with us? Yes You know and slick changes who you are.

And so my mother has had, you know a difficult time and you know that harm wasn't whether they decided to To murder me in her room or not

So grateful because now I get to be a net for my mother I get to catch her and so now

I get the wonderful privilege of taking care of my mom and she would love to come Oh great, well,

I would love that One of the things that was so precious to me is hearing your mom

Say when she discovered she was pregnant even as a very young girl 11 years old that she didn't even have a second thought about Ending the life that was in her.

She it was a no -brainer to her that she was to keep you and deliver you My mother is very special I grew up with but you know,

I didn't have a lot materially very rich with How to be a woman my community

Amen. Well, I want to let our listeners know about your website. It's Barnett for Senate comm

B a r n e t te For Senate comm and you can find out how you can help

Kathy in her campaign The only 11 days to go, please visit that site today Thank you so much

Kathy for being such an excellent guest today and as I said, I look forward to your return to the program as senator and Also to have your mom with us

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Ricardo Davis The president of Georgia right to life and as you heard me say before the station break

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Ricardo Davis Why thank you Chris very much for the opportunity and I'll have to tell

Joe. Thank you next time I see you Great. Well, I hope you see him soon. He is such a precious brother well

Tell us about Georgia right to life Well, Georgia right to life is

The preeminent pro -life organization in the state of Georgia, we just celebrated our 50th anniversary last year

Praise God yes, indeed and quite frankly our our vision is that we will be here as long as there is a threat to the legal protection of Every human being made in the image of God from the fertilization the natural death

Hallelujah According to dr. Morecraft one of the reasons that he's so enthusiastically supports

Georgia right to life is that I'm not saying that you're the only

Organization that has this view but you're not Surrounded by many who are of like mind

Unfortunately, but you at Georgia right to life take a very strong stand that there are no

Exceptions to the right to life of an unborn child. Am I right? That is correct

And what in terms of our advancing our public policy?

We call it principled incrementalism and I can break that.

Oh, yeah Yeah, sure you can break that now Okay, man, so Essentially as we pursue legal protection for those persons

Here in the state of Georgia who are because of unrighteous laws of just Just bad actors generally in order to protect them we will not

Violate the law of God in advancing our public policy

Amen for example, so for example, let's say I wanted to Let's let's especially nowadays.

The hot topic is the upcoming Supreme Court of the

United States decision on the Bob's case For example, let's say

Ricardo if you wanted to craft a piece of legislation to protect preborn children

From the point we can detect their heartbeat then

My response is going to be well First of all, let's just see if we can protect them all all the way up to the point of conception first If I cannot attain that then

I will say okay, I will say Children at the point where we can detect their heartbeat, but I will not legislate the lives of the other children that don't meet that threshold and one of the things but we'll get back to Georgia right to life

But one of the things that we do here in iron trip and Zion radio when we have a first -time guest

As we have that guest give a summary of their salvation story Including what kind of religious atmosphere if any you were raised in and what kind of providential circumstances our sovereign

Lord raised up In their lives that drew them to himself and saved them and I'd like to hear a summary of your story

All right, well I was born and raised in Little Rock, Arkansas Not too far if people were familiar with some of the

Events that happened during the civil rights movement of the middle of the last century. I could ride my bike to Central High School It wasn't that far away from where we live.

I Grew up in a normally Christian home grew up as a member of It would be the

National Baptist Convention It's the largest African -american denomination of Baptists in the country and made a profession of faith at age 12

However, by the time I entered into my late high school years

I was Seriously drifting from that profession, of course the

Baptist You know covenantal thinking was far From my thinking are quite frankly

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USA. Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. Ricardo, as I was asking my first guest today,

Kathy Barnett, also, also very, a very conservative black sister in Christ who is very passionate not only about her faith and her

Lord Jesus, but about the defense of the unborn with no exceptions.

I asked her and I'd like to ask you when in your own life did this passion for the unborn begin and a biblical worldview develop in your own consciousness?

Because as you were saying about your own testimony, you began in the

National Baptist Convention, which is unfortunately a denomination that has many representatives that deny the pillars of the faith, sometimes even denying the

Trinity, the deity of Christ, the bodily resurrection, the substitutionary death of Christ, and so on.

And you were speaking about a nominal a nominal religious life at one point, but then you truly got born again.

So when did this when did this passion begin in your life and a biblical worldview develop?

Well, in the time providence of God, shortly after I was converted,

I got connected with Keith Green's Last Days Ministry.

Wow. And and it was in particular the insightful and passionate exposition of the personhood of every person, every man, woman, boy, and girl.

And in particular, they're highlighting of how abortion is a great sin.

Going into the history of it, and then essentially not just dealing with the question of abortion from an academic level, or this is somebody else's problem, but if anyone's familiar with Keith Green's ministry and just what

I call the amount of care in pursuing the laws that really evangelistic spirit kind of carried over into that area.

So as I I saw what it is then

I got involved. And that was in 1984.

And quite frankly, God has continued to open doors from those early days of me standing in front of the in front of the

Student Union at the University of Arkansas in Little Rock getting petitions to get an amendment on the state constitution to prohibit the funding, the public funding of abortions in the state of Arkansas.

From that to doing sidewalk ministry in front of abortuaries to serving in pregnancy resource centers.

I guess by that time I had moved to Texas while I was in graduate school pursuing my

PhD in chemistry. To eventually ending up participating in the rescue movement there in the late 80s.

That passion of doing everything to prevent the slaughter.

And we've lost our guest again. Hopefully he will call back and I will, there we are getting a call back again.

Here we go. Hello Ricardo. Yes, I am back and my apologies.

We're just having some technical issues today, but praise God we have multiple technologies to get to you.

Amen. Amen. Praise God. Okay, as I was saying, you know once the door opened for me to obey what

God was putting on my heart God has continued to open doors and I pretty much,

I guess the only area in terms of the beginning of life type of pro -life ministry

I haven't really been intimately involved in is adoption.

But just about everything else I have. Well, actually, you know that that reminds me of accusations that leftists and pro -infanticide individuals hurl at individuals such as you and I and everybody else who is an advocate for the life of the unborn and very openly and vociferously opposed to the murder of the unborn.

They hurl at us the accusation that basically, we've made idols of fetuses and we do not care about the lives and health and well -being of children after they're born.

Obviously alluding to a conservative's view on fiscal issues that would involve typically an opposition to leftist welfare programs and all kinds of things.

How do you respond to that accusation? I'm sure you must have heard it. It's a very common accusation is because you will have a pro -infanticide person in a corner looking evil perhaps during a debate or a conversation and they have to turn the spotlight on you and try to insinuate that you and I and all of us who are opposed to abortion that we are the ones that are uncaring and so on.

So how do you respond to that? Well, I would say somebody came up to me with that allegation that you don't care about the children after they're born.

You don't care about helping the mother. Well, I very much care about that.

I mean that's really what in a church, a faithful church framework from the moment that child comes into the world until that child becomes an adult and is ready to start their family.

We are about caring for children. Matter of fact, the Bible says that if I don't take care of the members of my household,

I'm worse than an unbeliever. So first of all, we have to we have to say, okay.

Well, you know God has blessed me with three children and every one of them

I have by the grace of God been able to raise them in the nurture and the admonition of the Lord and they are all following the

Lord. So that's number one. So I would ask, so is the question you're asking, who's responsible to take care of those children?

Because usually the leftists are saying, well we need more government programs.

To which I would respond, well the government programs that were in place when when

I was a child in the 60s decimated the black family, especially in the city.

So explain to me how being more caring by essentially doing the same thing and expecting different results is somehow caring for the mother or the child.

Now, obviously there are Christians not only across this nation, but even worldwide, but there are

Christians who are hungry and very much sometimes even desperate to adopt children and they even go overseas to do that.

They even, you know, I know people personally that flew to Ukraine to adopt children.

I knew people, I know people that flew to China and Korea to adopt children.

Obviously there are people out there who want to adopt and are being held up in that area.

Isn't one of the answers to that issue and one of the solutions to make it easier to adopt?

Well, yes, that is one solution and since you mentioned that, one of the elders at my church has one adopted son.

They attempted to adopt another child, a daughter, but the adoption fell through when the mother changed her mind shortly after the child was born.

She did not want to put the child up for adoption. And this in particular,

I may not have had any hands -on experience working in the area of adoption, but I'm somewhat familiar with the issue and what

I call the challenges to adoption. Whether we're talking about the costly legal hurdles to adopt, especially domestically.

Again, the one elder I was speaking of, I mean, you know, when you spend $30 ,000, $40 ,000 for an adoption, that's serious money right there.

And for the average person, you know, they don't have that kind of spare change in their pocket.

That's one thing. The other thing is essentially the paternalistic state places all manner of barriers to good homes, good

Christian homes, for adopting a child. I know some of this is due to essentially the general culture where the state is trying to do what's necessary to keep from placing children into the hands of guardians that will essentially collect money from the state to take care of the child and do nothing for the child.

I understand that. But again, someone making the accusation just flatly that, oh, well, you don't care anything about the children.

I'm like, well, we can talk all day about what the Church of Jesus Christ is doing in its community.

And as my favorite author George Grant would say, you know,

Christianity and the people of God have been saving and bringing children in their homes and raising them up ever since the days of the

Roman Empire. Show me what your paganism or show me what your humanism has done.

Amen. I mean, even hospitals and psychiatric hospitals and all kinds of things came into existence through compassionate

Christians. That is correct. So to that end,

I basically just ask people to, you know, show me. Yeah, I don't,

I'm not familiar with Madeline Murray O 'Hare Hospital. Oh, wait a minute.

So we have the Margaret Sanger Birthing Center? Well, you brought up a...

We have an organization called Planned Parenthood. So where do we see the care for the children?

Yes. Though I can't even think of any other way they must be looking at it other than they think they're involved in mercy killing.

But they're really involved in alleviating any discomfort that a pregnant woman believes she will have by carrying a baby to full term.

Whether it be financially, mentally, emotionally, or physically. They really are putting the happiness of a woman far above the most fragile and helpless humans in existence, the unborn.

Well, Chris, that point right there just shows how far

America has fallen from its Christian roots. Yes. You know, we know the

Bible says that children are a blessing from the

Lord. And yet, and still today, they are seen as a curse because they are the, let's just say, the unexpected consequences of pursuing our depraved sexual lust.

I could just be so blunt about it. So when we, as a nation, have apostatized, and we as a nation have essentially hated

God and now love death, then selective abortion is seen as a positive societal good.

Now, all this stuff about caring, you know, Christians not caring for children.

Of course, now here, and I hate to say it, but I live here in the Atlanta area.

And quite frankly, the start of the so -called reproductive justice movement started here in the

Atlanta area. Well, and essentially, they're basically saying that women, minority women, need justice, i .e.

they need parity with their Caucasian fellow citizens in being able to kill their child.

And that's what they call reproductive justice. And this is just all wickedness.

It is. Well, what's most infuriating is when they have the audacity and the vile, satanic indifference to the life of the unborn as to refer to the murder of the unborn as women's health care.

Oh, that just drives me up a tree, to use an old -fashioned phrase.

I just... Well... But Chris, let's do this, because, you know, as we pursue, especially for folks that are, you know, on what

I call the advancing the justice of King Jesus, let us redouble our efforts to making sure that we are essentially meeting a broken world where they are.

Now, first and foremost, that means in our churches, in our ministry, in our evangelism and discipleship, are we taking seriously the fact that some surveys say one in four, some say one in five women of childbearing age is basically one degree from either knowing someone who's been impacted by elective abortion or they themselves have had an elective abortion.

And if you think about that, because just because the fact that that child in the womb is a human being with a soul, you know, that's inescapable.

Likewise, the guilt of killing that innocent child is something that weighs heavy on the conscience of the land.

And on the one hand, I see it as the reason why we have to essentially, those that oppose the gospel, those that oppose

King Jesus have to, as it were, turn the volume up to ten with their crying and their excuses and their, you know, their ranting is because when you just sit down and you talk to a man or a woman who's been impacted by this, many times there's great guilt there.

There's great shame there. And we have the message, brother, that is the only thing that will effectively deal with the guilt and condemnation that the shedding of innocent blood brings on a person.

And that is the gospel. The gospel of the kingdom.

That is the only thing that'll do it. And in advancing that gospel, that gospel needs to have, as you say, shoes on.

You know, so it has been a blessing to me that the congregation,

I'm a part of Sovereign Grace Church here in we basically welcome, and we actually take serious,

Galatians 6 where it talks about, hey, if there's a need, how are you taking care of the needs of your fellow brothers and sisters?

Even the ones that, oh, years before they became a believer, you know, they got an abortion.

Or even more so, they decided to keep their child, but now they're struggling because they don't want to put their child in the government school.

They want to make sure that that child gets a Christian education. And it has been a blessing to me to see that basically the preaching has led to gospel action in all these different realms, whether we're talking about ministering to the brokenhearted, whether it's bringing practical help to those in the situation, whether it's talking about helping couples adopt.

You know, we really have embraced a fully orbed gospel of life at Sovereign Grace Church, and my prayer is that that would, as again, the reviving of the true gospel happens in America, which

I pray, we're all praying for, that God would be merciful in light of all that he's done, that we would be his hands and feet, as well as the mouth, the trumpet, right?

Amen. That we would be his hands and feet, and that we would see, because of that, that we would see the grace of God in action, that we would see the spirit of God changed lives.

And, you know, I'm thinking of one young lady who came to us, oh,

I want to say seven years ago, um, that she plugged in.

She was serious about the Lord, and she was doing everything she could to bring up her daughter in the nurture and admonition of the

Lord. And through what

I would call the diaconate ministry, there was care extended to this young lady, and in God's good timing,

God brought along a Boaz. And they are happily married, and they had their first child together last year.

So it has been again, if somebody says we don't care about the children, we care so much about the children that we are working to bring them into the family.

And in the kindness of God, those children, they actually have fathers.

Amen. So, again, all this really is a part of Georgia Right to Life's vision, because we are an explicitly

Christian ministry. We want to see, we're not just there to protect the child, we're there to restore the family.

Amen. Well, it's so good to hear. And another reason why you have become near and dear to my heart during this conversation, knowing that you have no exceptions to the protection of the life of the unborn.

The thing that those who perhaps are just trying to win votes from conservative individuals who are, quote, quote, pro -life, they will tip their hats to that, but always leave the claws for the health life of the mother, and if the mother is the victim of rape or incest, they fail to realize, or at least they they may realize it, but don't care.

But once you have given those exceptions, you are no longer calling it murder.

And the only reason, the one and only reason that abortion should be outlawed is because it's murder.

That's the only reason it should be outlawed. So when you give those exceptions, you're really making it a matter of personal opinion on things, and you remove the whole sting, you remove the vile and satanic nature of what is occurring.

Do you agree? I agree. Now, if we can shift to what

I call the realm of legislating, actually, the realm of the civil magistrate, okay?

Here's the grievous thing to me in this discussion. We have,

I would say, most of the men and women who serve in the Georgia General Assembly, most of them would claim that they are

Christian believers, but very few of them withhold the position that you articulate.

And my, when people ask me, well, why is that?

Well, you have to start asking questions regarding who, what are the shepherds of these men and women saying in the churches that they attend?

Do they open up God's word and explain to the congregation?

And I would say, especially if I had someone, if I was an elder or a pastor in a church, and I had somebody who was elected to office,

I would pay particular care to exhort that man or woman to honor

God in their official capacity. There is a paucity of expounding the word of God with regard to morals and ethics on the question of elective abortion.

Now, you'll see a lot of people, you'll hear a lot of preaching on what I would consider the moral aspect.

But see, when you're talking about exceptions, now we're talking about the application of biblical ethics, and there's very little of that happening.

And sad to say, many of the ostensibly

Christian organizations that are involved in the administration, or should

I say not an administration of, but encouraging, helping elect these men and women, etc.,

they aren't getting it either. So they're supporting these men and women who are in a position of authority as the civil magistrate, and they are counseling them that it's okay.

Well, for example, to get that vote that you were talking about, well, yes,

I'm pro -life. Yes, I believe that abortion is murder, except for rape or incest, or, well, except for if the baby has some kind of genetic defect, or, you know, insert whatever excuse there.

The fact that there is a void of the application of the

Word of God with regard to the ethics of the administration of government that have gotten us in this place,

Chris. Amen, and let's pick up where we left off after our final break, which is going to be a lot more brief than the other breaks.

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That's lindbrookbaptist .org. Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen and we have our final segment today.

And we've been having technical difficulties with my guest, but thank God he's always able to reconnect.

Before we return to your last comment, and if I'm not mistaken, if I were to summarize the sentiment that you had, it would be that Christians as well as others have long misunderstood the whole concept of the separation of church and state, which is not in the

Constitution, but was a promise by Thomas Jefferson to Baptists that the new nation that was being formed would not establish a religion that would persecute them or impose its beliefs upon them in any way or enforce their beliefs upon the

Baptists. But we can return to that. I just want to make sure we got to at least a couple of our listener questions.

Go right ahead. We have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania, who asks,

Chris asked his first guest today, Kathy Barnett, how much opposition she had received from the black community for her strong stances on conservative issues.

Have you also received that kind of opposition? Well, the short answer is yes.

And on this issue, I just have to be like the Apostle Paul.

My heart is that my fellow tribesmen, as it were, come to see things as the

Lord has shown me. If it wasn't for the grace of God, quite frankly,

I wouldn't care. Now, how much is it common knowledge that the whole abortion industry began as an effort to eradicate the

United States from the black population, first by the vision to enforce sterilization and then later to actually murder the unborn?

How common is that awareness that that is where Planned Parenthood came from?

That's the the evil passion of Margaret Sanger, its founder.

Is this like a thing that is a big secret amongst many in the black community?

No, it's just a secret. In other words, it is, and we may need another show on this, but it is essentially an environment where we just don't talk about that.

And a lot of it has to do, at least this is my observation, I can't say that this is, you know, this generalization can't be extended across the entire black community in America, but what we have is a situation where the folks that essentially stepped up to help give, for example, my father's generation of civil rights on par with their fellow white citizens, because of that commitment and loyalty, they are not willing to do anything to divide that loyalty.

Well, I want you, because we're really rapidly running out of time, I want you to summarize uninterrupted in several minutes what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today when it comes to this issue, and specifically to Georgia Right to Life.

Okay, well, let me start with current events, because we're getting people asking questions regarding, especially with the leak of the draft opinion from the

Supreme Court on the Dobbs versus Jackson case.

You know, it is our hope at Georgia Right to Life that the court will strike down this wicked precedent of Roe versus Wade and all its evil progeny that has essentially given sanction to the deaths of over 63 million innocent children in our land.

Now, if at the end of the day, Roe is overturned, well, all

I got to say is, well, just like when Dred Scott was overturned, that didn't mean that immediately there was enmity between blacks and whites in America.

And as far as I'm concerned, if Roe is struck down later this spring, there is still going to be a lot of work to do in our respective states to, again, roll back not just elective abortion, because we can outlaw elective abortion at the state of Georgia, but the lives of these pre -born children will still be in danger because the mindset of the people has turned to wickedness.

So it is going to take, again, the people of God to be courageous, to be risky, to be willing to put themselves in places where they're not used to being, to truly minister the whole gospel, again, to a nation that's covered in blood guilt.

Well, I want to make sure that our listeners have your website. I know that your website had been hacked into and is being restored, and it may not be working currently.

Yes, I actually checked it before I called in earlier, and at that time it still was not up, but I find it very curious that the day after that leak of that draft opinion on Roe v.

Wade, that malicious actors took our website down. But you know what?

If they think that is going to shut us up, they got another thing coming.

But again, the website is grtl .org. You can still find us.

They haven't shut us down yet on Facebook or YouTube or Twitter or LinkedIn, so you can connect with us there as well.

And as I always do or try to remember to do when I discuss abortion on this program,

I highly recommend that everyone watch the documentary called Maafa 21.

That's spelled M as in Michael, A -A -F as in Frank A. The subtitle of that documentary is

Black Genocide in 21st Century America, and you can find out more about that at maafa21 .com.

That's M as in Michael, A -A -F as in Frank A, 21 .com. Thank you so much for being such an excellent guest today, brother.

I look forward to your return to the program, and I thank my friend Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III for highly recommending you.

I want to thank everybody who listened today, especially those who took the time to write in. I'm sorry that we couldn't ask and have all of your questions answered.

We ran out of time. I also want to thank Kathy Barnett, a candidate for the United States Senate in Pennsylvania, who was my first guest today, and you can find out more about how to support her candidacy at barnettforsenate .com,

B -A -R -N -E -T -T -E forsenate .com. I hope you all have a very safe, happy, healthy, blessed, and joyful, and Christ -honoring weekend and Lord's Day, and I hope you all remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater

Savior than you are a sinner. Hallelujah. Amen.