September 17, 2018 Show with Dr. Robert W. Carter on “Creation & the Authority of the Bible”

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I'm delighted to not only have a first -time guest today here on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, but I'm also

delighted to have a returning co -host who's also been a guest himself.

First I'd like to let you know that we have Dr. Robert W. Carter on the program for the first time.

He is a senior scientist and speaker for Creation Ministries International,

also known as CMI USA in Atlanta, Georgia, and he is researching

human genetics and other issues related to biblical creation.

Today he is addressing creation and the authority of the Bible, and it's my honor and

privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Robert W. Carter.

Well, thank you.

It's a privilege to be here.

And we have returning as a co -host, someone who is no stranger to the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio audience.

He has also been a guest on a number of occasions, going way back to the old program

broadcasting out of Long Island, New York, from WNYG and WGBB radio.

I'm speaking of Pastor Bruce Bennett, who is the pastor of Word of Truth Church in Farmingville, Long Island, New York,

and he is my co -host today, and he's also the host of an upcoming conference that's being

held this weekend at the Word of Truth Church in Farmingville, Long Island, New York, featuring our guest

today, Dr. Robert W. Carter, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Bruce Bennett.

Oh, Chris, always a pleasure.

Thanks for having me.

And before we go back to Dr. Carter, Pastor Bruce, why don't you tell our listeners something about Word of Truth Church in

Farmingville, Long Island.

We're

a... sent out of...

WOTChurch .com is the website.

I just had to repeat that because you broke up a little bit there.

I'm not sure why.

But WOTChurch .com, and WOT stands for Word of Truth, and we'll be repeating that,

God willing, a little later.

Now Dr. Carter, tell us something about Creation Ministries International.

We have had at least one of your team members on the program before, all the way from Australia.

We had Taz Walker on, actually he was on for two days in a row, in

a discussion slash debate with an old earth creationist.

But tell us about Creation Ministries International.

Oh boy, you mentioned Australia.

We are an international organization, countries, and probably about

30 speakers who are traveling the world every year speaking at different churches.

Wow.

Well, and I know that one of those churches is Word of Truth Church, so I'm looking forward.

To that.

God willing, I will be there.

I have another important, a lot less pleasant task to attend to

on Long Island that weekend, this weekend, as a matter of fact.

But hopefully I will be able to leave that early enough to be there at Word of Truth Church,

planning on it and praying for that opportunity, and I would love to meet you in person.

Well, very often on Iron Trip and Zion Radio, most of the time when we have a

first time guest, Dr. Carter, we have that guest give a summary of their salvation testimony.

What kind of religious atmosphere, if any, you were raised in, and what were the circumstances that our

Sovereign Lord providentially brought up in your life that drew you to Himself and

eventually saved you?

Wow.

Well, I tell you, I was raised in a Christian home in Long Island.

Oh wow, I didn't know that.

Oh wow, that's very close to where the debate, I mean, the conference is.

Yeah, I grew up in Hampton Bays, though.

And...

You know how many salvation stories start with, there was this girl?

That's right, she's still a good friend of mine, too, and I thanked her for this.

But after about three months of going there,

that's what it all means, and boom!

It's like I had no idea before.

Well, where were you in your life when you finally absolutely fell to your knees and said, Lord, I need a Savior, please

save me, I am headed for hell, I need to be rescued?

And then you put your total faith in the person and work of Jesus Christ for your salvation.

Well, I was 19 years old.

And so from there, you obviously started to become interested in

science.

I don't know if that was actually before you got saved, but tell us about the whole journey in your life where you became a

scientist for Christian Ministries International.

Yeah, I've always been a bit of

an engineering college, studying biology,

but I wasn't a

solution to people.

I had no idea that I was going to be, and it

took years.

It took, in my,

probably I was about 28

or 29 years old, or finally.

And how did you actually physically start working for Creation Ministries International?

Sorry, folks, I've made a little error before.

I said Christian Ministries International.

I meant to say Creation.

But how did you get a hold of them, or how did they get a hold of you, and how did that partnership begin?

I moved back to Atlanta.

All their faces, I knew all these people.

There's Taz Walker on the list and a lot of other people that I knew.

I said, oh, they have an office in Atlanta?

How come I didn't know about that?

Well, they didn't.

They had a PO box in Atlanta.

They were setting up a new office in Atlanta, and I sent them an email, and it went to Australia, and I got a phone call

at 9 o 'clock the next night, which is 8 o 'clock in their morning, and they wanted to talk to me for their

new U .S. office.

Wow, praise God.

Unbelievable.

It's just, yeah, total, completely...

So tell us specifically on what you are researching in regard to human

genetics and other issues related to biblical creation over there at CMI.

Okay.

My special...

I don't do DNA extraction and DNA sequencing.

As long as I have a computer...

Humanity is, did we really come from Adam and Eve?

Was there a thing called...

And it's actually really amazing, because the evolutionary community has discovered Adam and Eve,

Noah's Flood, and the Tower of...

The evolutionary community has discovered this.

Are they remaining silent about their discovery?

Yes, and when they do run up against the obvious implications, they tend to

muddle the terms a little bit.

Like they had this Angel Eve,

a random woman who lived to

be the only woman who passed on her DNA to everyone else after.

But the alternate is, no, there really was only one woman.

Now, in summary form, how do you connect genetics

to any kind of proof for these phenomenal history -making

events that you listed, that are actually historical events from the Holy Scriptures?

Like Noah's Ark, etc.

Yeah, that's hard, because in science there's nothing called proof.

You can only build a case for something.

And some cases are weak, and some are strong.

So you can't...

Because it's in all the people across the world.

You have about 3 million places where the DNA you got from your mother disagrees.

So you have about one -third of the world's genetic diversity within just you.

People, and you've got about 99 % of the world's genetic...

Wow.

And that's amazing, because it shows

Europeans are Europeans and Asians.

Differently,

we came from one population in

one population

area.

If that happened, we would expect people across the world...

I just want to remind our listeners that if you'd like to join us on the air with your own question for Dr. Robert W.

Carter, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C -H -R -I -S -A

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And please give us, as always, your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence if you live

outside the USA.

Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

And the only way I could conceive of a personal and private question being relative to what we're talking about is

if perhaps you disagree with your own pastor.

Perhaps your own pastor is a brother in Christ, but he is an old earth creationist.

Or perhaps you have a more liberal pastor or church that adheres to

full -blown evolution and denies the Genesis account of the origins of man

and the origins of everything, for that matter.

Or perhaps you disagree with your spouse on these issues, or some other reason why the question would be personal and private.

Other than that, though, please at least give your first name, city and state, and country of residence.

And Pastor Bruce Bennett, keep in mind that being a co -host on the phone,

you're going to have to be counter -intuitive in regards to rudeness.

You're going to have to realize that you could barge in with a question.

I can't see you waving your hand or facial expressions or body postures or anything like that.

So whenever you feel there is an opening, if you have a question, just ask it.

Don't worry about being rude or anything like that.

Of course, try not to just interrupt mid -sentence, but other than that.

But Pastor Bruce, I know that you are an apologist yourself.

You have personally been involved in a number of debates, I think, predominantly, if not

exclusively, on Long Island.

You're a school teacher in a public school.

Tell us about why specifically you orchestrated this conference that you're having.

I

actually had

a real ability to teach

myself

on the

creation

versus

evolution

area.

Creation, to the

head knowledge of God that I

had, it was

just as

teachers.

Apologetic taught me to teach

it as fact, unmitigated fact.

Well, if you don't have a question of your own yet for Dr. Carter, we do have a listener question.

Do you have a question, or should I move forward to a listener question?

Bruce, I'm speaking.

I'm just wondering, Dr. Carter, if you could tell us how you came into the

apologetics ministry.

I was teaching at a big private school, maybe

some doors.

My ultimate goal, actually, was to be a small Christian college.

Do you want this full -ride PhD fellowship?

I said, what?

Wow.

I've been

working

with

these

people for 12 or 13 years now.

Yeah, praise God.

We do have BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, who says, this question

is actually for both your guest and your co -host.

I would love to hear how both of you would have responded directly to Andy

Stanley, who was challenging Christians to unhitch the Old

Testament from Christianity.

Dr. Carter, why don't you start?

All right.

Andy Stanley is even more

popular.

He has sadly come out to

believe, and if you go to creation .com,

you'll come up with a contention

is that no, you can't.

The

history there is what everything in the New

Testament is.

Jesus, or when the Apostles talks about Abraham, they have

to be treating this person as if he really existed, and as if this person is really important in history,

or being used to make a spiritual point, a very important theological point.

If that stuff is not real, then a huge portion of what we think

about Christianity—.

And Pastor Bruce?

Jesus is actually called the son of God

at the Old Covenant, and the

essence of the revelation of who God—.

It's very unfortunate what he's done.

Foundation, if you will.

If you negotiate one through six, you know, the

creation, the fall, the flood, you really dispatch core

to the very foundation of the gospel.

You know, we end

up with all kinds

of—.

Well, thank you, B .B., for the excellent question.

Keep listening to Iron Sheriff and Zion Radio.

We have C .J. in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York.

And C .J. says, I'm a believer, and I'm even a young earth creationist, but I was just curious how

you two would answer this question to either the evolutionist or the person who's

indifferent and really doesn't care about the matter one way or another.

They may say that whether one believes in evolution or not doesn't really have

any effect on the gospel and on what the important things in the New Covenant

that are commanded of us.

If we have a theory about evolution that is Darwinian, even if it's very wrong, it's really

not going to affect our Christian life or our status before God.

How do you respond to people such as these?

It's death and rebellion against God

at the

very beginning.

His death and suffering is answered.

The man Jesus Christ came, and he died on the cross to pay the penalty, which is death

and the penalty of sin.

Billions of years, a human being, he would have died.

Any story of death being removed

is explained.

And Pastor

Bruce, the question seemed to be for both of you again.

To

take

away from the,

and

if

you dispatch

an era where

there wasn't,

and you just can't use

the creation, or you can't, you just

simply...

Now, a question for both of you, for myself.

Christians, I'm sure that both of you know, having spoken with, no doubt, thousands

of them, thousands of our brethren in Christ, who we truly are,

who we truly are confident are saved.

Christians say at sometimes, say and believe the stupidest things.

They believe sometimes very moronic things, things that like startle you when you hear them come

out of their mouths.

I'm assuming that you two would believe that there are truly regenerate,

born -again Christians who, out of ignorance, believe in evolution in some way, shape, or form.

And that they're not damned because they believe in evolution.

But at the same time, I think that God holds

a greater accountability for those who are actually enthusiastic evangelists, for

lack of a better term, for the case of evolution.

People who are trying to cast a cloud of suspicion over the

Genesis account, over the inerrancy of Scripture, and so on.

I consider those people in one category, just as I believe Paul did with the Judaizers.

He seemed to be very clear that he put the Judaizers, who had a

false gospel, who were teaching a false gospel and deceiving others, in a far greater category

of apostasy than he did with the average Christian in the Church of Galatia, because he even calls the

Galatians brothers.

So, but going back to the evolution issue, don't you believe that there are going to be

many Christians who are going to be in heaven who are very wrong on that issue?

You know, just last week we had a front...

No.

The requirements

for the...

We might, you know, nuance that a

little bit, or maybe the requirements to be called a Christian

is not a very long list, and the age of the earth is not.

When we're talking about the Bible,

when we're talking about understanding why we're fallen, why we're in need of

salvation, when we're looking at what was

believed, you know, 1 ,800 years of Christian history and things like that, we

realize that the account of creation is a very

important theological proposition that underlies so much other things that we believe.

It's not something that's going to get you into heaven or keep you from heaven.

That deal with...

Anything to add, Pastor Bruce?

Yes, again, another excellent response.

You know, Jesus is Lord.

Well,

even

a paramedic...

Jesus's lordship as the creator.

I would just simply challenge the person...

You say he's Lord, but you

realize because he's the creator...

Jews take usually a very...

Right, that they don't even know is not right yet.

That's happened to me many times.

Reviewed by an anonymous reviewer, he said, who is this guy?

He's talking like an evolutionist.

And I looked at the paper.

I said, wow, he's right.

I did this thing in my mind that I hadn't worked through yet, and it

was, God save

you, and put you on the conveyor belt and said, okay, I'll see you at the end, figure everything out.

That maybe we weren't right people.

I know how long it took me.

Even years later after I said, okay, yeah, there's not millions of years old in Jesus's creation.

I even struggled falling backwards into the evolutionary position.

I take a deep breath, say, no, it's not true, and then proceed.

It's not easy.

Amen.

And just because something is not going to bar somebody from heaven,

it is serious enough very often, like these issues that we're discussing, that it could morph

into something and perpetually become something that does bar somebody from heaven as far as...

I mean, heresies seem to beget heresies, and they just multiply until you're eventually not even

believing in the God of the scriptures.

So that is not any kind of reassurance that there will be

evolutionists in heaven should not be taken as a license or a liberty or a

freedom to believe in these things and spread these things because they can have dangerous consequences.

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Now we are back with our guest, Dr. Robert W. Carter and our co -host pastor,

Bruce Bennett.

If you would like to join us on the air with a question of your own in regard to creation and the authority of the Bible, our email

address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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We have, let's see, we have Joey in Clifton, New Jersey,

who says, Dr. Robert, I ask this question as a young earth creationist.

I have heard arguments on two sides from the secular evolution community.

One side seems to favor common single ancestry of life and mankind because of what they

perceive to be the extreme unlikelihood of evolution happening in multiple places independently.

Yet others seem to have moved forward toward favoring the idea that evolution has

occurred separately in different places and populations.

I believe some of this is genetics driven.

Can you comment on where that trend stands and why and where the mainstream

lies?

And what do you think is driving them?

That's a long question.

It's a series of questions, actually.

Yeah, I'm a little confused about the terminology.

Well, I assume what he is saying is that instead of one a couple of

apes who have mated or primates that were not human having a human offspring,

that this was happening all over the world sporadically.

Okay, okay.

So this is the out -of -Africa theory versus the

multi if

that's

what's all from the ape -like

population and Homo sapiens, you know, started about 200 ,000 years ago in

Africa.

A lot of new arguments from the evolutionary community say, no, that's not true.

We are a much more pan -myctic population around the world and we evolved from Homo erectus over time

as a large population, not a small population.

A piece in, I think it was Greece, that were modern human teeth that predate this.

We have tools and artifacts and a skull in Israel

in an evolutionary dating frame that predates, supposedly, most

people have been.

But now, really, before that, modern humans must have -.

Okay, Joey, thank you.

And if I or Dr. Carter misunderstood your question, you can feel free to send a follow -up email

that further clarifies what you meant.

I have a feeling we understood you correctly.

And I don't know if you answered this.

I don't think you did.

He said, can you comment on where that trend, meaning the genetics -driven

trend where there were multiple cases of primates, non -human primates, giving birth

to humans globally, where that trend stands and why and where

why and where the mainstream lies?

I mean, is that a mainstream view or is it more the one parent of apes view?

Well, the change happening right now in evolutionary science

argument against the biblical Adam and Eve is actually

not the arguments are not coming from genetics so much as

they're coming from archaeology.

And the archaeologists and the geneticists for

many years, because when genetics comes up, it's challenging the

artifacts.

It's like, you can say whatever you want about evolution, but the DNA here is not

saying that.

My biblical answer to that is that, yeah, we did actually come from a single population, but that

population wasn't in Africa.

It was in the Middle East around.

And modern humans today do not necessarily look like our ancient forebears.

The oldest people in the fossil record,

our heads didn't really have much of a forehead and they didn't have much of a chin either.

And they were definitely - their bones are thicker and they're bigger and stronger.

You realize -.

So basically what you're saying is that we have to be careful with our terminology, I'm assuming,

that we are not saying as young Earth creationists

that humans did not evolve into different

physical descriptions of humans.

We're just saying that they didn't evolve from a different species or a different animal life form.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm

going to

change a genetic landscape.

Yeah, it's not really controversial, but it's not evolution either.

Well, I mean, we use the term evolve in different ways in the English language.

That doesn't have to involve Darwinian concepts.

But it's interesting that even -.

I live in Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

It's a very historic area.

Some of the homes and buildings date back to the 1700s and earlier.

And sometimes when you see these buildings that go back that far to the 1700s, the doorways are extremely

small.

And it's interesting that I'm assuming that, you know, people typically were

just shorter and narrower and thinner than they are today as far as a

typical or average person.

And that's just a couple of hundred years.

Yeah, but that's also almost all nutrition.

Huh, really?

In the late 1700s, people were

noticing how because of nutrition, they

had a lot of

Even taller than the Norwegians and Scandinavians?

Yeah, yeah.

But even the Norwegians and Scandinavians are a hundred years.

And that's not genetics.

It's nutrition.

We are better fed than we used to be.

Therefore -.

And that much change in pansies

or

the common

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And now we have the aforementioned Deborah in Durango, Colorado.

And Deborah asks, let's see here,

in addition to the material produced by various creation ministries, I have consumed many

materials put out by old earth creationists, ID proponents, and

found them to contain many compelling arguments that refute evolutionary theory.

I'm a bit mystified as to why these folks seem to summarily dismiss the young

earth position and even disparage those that hold it.

One would think that they could readily see that the old earth interpretation of the fossil data

uses many of the same materialist presuppositions held by evolutionists

who oppose intelligent design.

And I will move on with a couple of her other questions after you respond to that because she has basically three or four

questions here.

Dr. Carter.

All right, it's

not easy to answer that.

All right, go ahead.

Let's just say that I know of a lot

don't apply the same

with flood and the Tower of Babel

don't apply the same rules for

arguing and for interpreting.

And it's a giant mystery except that none of this,

but any

scholar of earthism and after

the rise really started.

And then Deborah in Durango, Colorado moves on to say, I find only a few

very mostly dated debates between young earth creationists and old earth

creationists, but very little cross -examination and no cases of open

discussion of the data.

By the way, this is me interjecting here, Deborah.

I have orchestrated many debates since 1995 and I

concur with you that cross -examination is the most vital part of a

debate because if you don't have a cross -examination, you just have two people giving speeches.

But going back to her question slash comments,

such discussion would be very helpful to non -scientists and non -specialists in the relevant

fields.

Also, I believe it would make the young earth creationist arguments even more

robust to defend the data interpretation against strong

challengers rather than simply be dismissed as ignorant.

Maybe this is why they don't want to engage you in discussion, smiley face.

Are you aware of any old earth creationists that are willing to engage in detailed scientific discussion or

debate as to interpretation of geological and physical science data relevant to the

age of the earth?

Very good question.

And I know that the old earth creationists that I have spoken with, some of them are very leery

because they say, they allege, that the young earth creationists will,

they seem to be broad brushing here.

And I'm not meaning to be broad brushing when I'm referring to the old earth folks because there may be some that wouldn't say this.

But I have heard a number of times that they automatically assume the young earth people are going to be nasty

and cast doubts of their

opponent's salvation in the exchange.

But if you could answer these very excellent questions by Deborah.

Excellent, excellent, excellent question.

As far as the dated material of many,

we have had several in CMI.

In fact, Dr. Carl Wieland, who is noted for his gentleness and his humility,

not his arrogance, he's been on the stage several times.

I myself was in a debate, it was called the great and atheistic evolution.

We do have

a newspaper,

it's an Australian

newspaper, red newspaper, and we publish that now as a pamphlet,

which is young.

Over the

years, we have,

and it's easy for an audience to say, oh yeah, that guy won, where really he

just doesn't know it because of course,.

Of course that could be true.

Viewing the presentations of the opposing sides solo.

I mean, either way, you can have people say, well, you sure you watched that video

of the old earth creationist, but that guy is an uneducated moron or whatever, you know,

you could have either, either way is susceptible to being, having laid the charge against

it for not having an adequate representative of that particular view in

the venue.

In the venue that you're viewing or listening to.

Yeah, you also have to be careful of a psychological thing called transference.

That's when you take what you're doing and

place it upon

one

particular,

you know, he said no young earth creationist,

so he agreed and they debated.

And Danny has been on this program at least three times, maybe more.

Yeah, he's a friend of mine.

He's a good guy.

I like Dan.

Yeah.

I can't, you can't really answer the question.

My best answer is I hate to enjoy debating.

And as one who loves debates, I will, I will try to arrange one.

You put another piece of burning coal underneath my fire to get

something done there.

I happen to value debates myself because if they're done correctly and if they're properly moderated

and you have the proper participants, I think they

can shed a lot of light rather than heat.

And what you wind up having if you don't have a debate is you just merely have the option of people talking about

each other behind their back.

But anyway, that's, that's just happens to be my opinion as being somebody who's loved debates all my life as a Christian

and look forward to arranging many more.

But thank you, Deborah.

And by the way, Deborah has been honest, honest enough to remind me that she has

already written in a question in the past.

I thought she was a first time questioner and she told me to give the Bible to someone else.

Thank you very much, Deborah, for listening to Iron Trip and Zion Radio.

Once again, we have Joey in Clifton, New Jersey with a follow up question.

He says, yes, you got me right in reference to his previous question where we weren't certain

where he was coming from.

We obviously understood him correctly.

Then he says that debate you mentioned is the one I had in mind.

What I mean is if their trend is to abandon the single ancestry out of

Africa theory because of archaeology, as you said, what do they do when they hit the

problem of common genetics?

In other words, archaeology and genetics should box them into single common origin for

mankind, the biblical view.

How do they try to escape this dilemma?

Wow.

Well, they tried to escape the dilemma

by

simply

explaining

how humans and chimpanzees became so different in only a few hundred thousand,

maybe six million years, but even at 20 years per generation, that's about 300 ,000

generations in their model.

And they've got to explain millions upon millions

of

different

humans.

And yet they're still not turning toward, I

believe, because I can quote King

James here is the verse I learned this one in, the carnal mind is enmity against Christ.

It is not subject to law of God,

neither

indeed

can walking

there.

In fact, Bruce, in fact, Bruce, we're going to our final break right now.

So ask your question as soon as we return from the break.

All right.

We'll get Bruce's question.

We're going to our final break now.

So send in your questions now if you have them to chrisarnson at gmail dot com.

Chrisarnson at gmail dot com.

Don't go away.

We'll be right back with Dr. Robert W. Carter of Creation Ministries International.

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Now we are back with our final segment today with our guest, Dr. Robert W. Carter

of Creation Ministries International and also our co -host, Pastor Bruce Bennett of Word of Truth Church in

Farmingville, Long Island, New York, which is actually the host church for the conference this weekend,

Friday and Saturday, September 21st and September 22nd, featuring Dr. Robert W. Carter on creation and

the authority of the Bible.

And before the break, Pastor Bruce Bennett, you had a question.

If you could share with us.

Awesome question.

An idea called genetic entropy.

And that is, we know that genetically we are decaying over time.

We know that mutations are accumulating in the human population.

We're going downhill, not uphill,

that we are not in millions of years or mutations increasing over

time.

We're not going to last for a million years, even.

Oh, I might turn towards something like the magnetic field of the magnetic field of

Mercury.

Mercury is a small planet.

It should not.

It just can't.

I did

the magnetic field of Mercury

in the future because I had measured it once in the 70s.

If you just measure the amount of mud coming out,.

You will soon.

Any follow up, Pastor Bruce?

Very good.

Any follow up before we move on?

Any follow up before we move on to a couple of more listener questions?

I know that was.

OK, great.

We have it's not a question.

Actually, it's a comment.

Ted in Tuscaloosa, Alabama says, if you want an old earth guy to debate,

try Tyler Vela, V -E -L -A.

He's not a scientist, but he's an MDiv student, I believe at Westminster Theological Seminary.

Well, we will look into that.

Ted from Tuscaloosa, Alabama.

Thanks a lot.

Let's see here.

We have.

We have Lou in Sharpsburg, Georgia.

Hasn't Dr. Jason Lyle debated Dr. Ross?

If so, what was your assessment?

I believe I heard this.

I did not see the debate.

And Dr. Jason Lyle is a young earth creationist, isn't he?

He is.

He's a really good guy too, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I've been trying to get him on the show, and hopefully that will happen at some point.

Well, thank you, Lou in Sharpsburg, Georgia.

Let's see.

We have Ronald in eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, who says, how

can old earth and young earth creationists look at the same

geological data from the Grand Canyon and come up with polar

opposite conclusions about the age of the earth?

Is one side being dishonest with the evidence?

It just seems to be mind -boggling today that people, apparently, of integrity, who are brothers

in Christ in the science field, could come up with entirely different answers to the question on

the age of the earth using simply the data from the Grand Canyon geological record.

Excellent question.

Worldview and

people don't

come to

nature.

However,

we said, wait a second, this is

not what you said.

Specifically, is near the top.

Sand dune, and

air blown,

they get rounded.

The little edges get knocked.

And the angle of the lines is clearly an underwater

deposit.

What happens are forced to use the

data available to them.

And when one does that

to each little specific, as we

do that, though, it's like, I'm going to use a domino analogy, but that'd be bad.

We examine one bit of evidence,

a lot of them, you know, it's sort of like

believe

the

big

reason

is because most of them haven't actually really gotten in there and analyze the data.

And that was fine.

Thank you, brother.

And now we have, let's see, we have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York,

who says, I have heard the old earth creationists and evolutionists

both say one of the reasons that the argument has a lot more credibility

on their side is because you could hardly find anywhere an academically

accredited geologist who is a young earth creationist.

How do you respond to this?

Here has a PhD in engineering and Steve

Austin has a PhD in geology.

He's also a superhuman after a surgery that happened after a space capsule crashed.

Poor guy's lived with that his whole life.

It is true that creationists are not in the majority.

It does not mean they don't exist.

A lot of the evolutionary community wants to pretend it doesn't mean

they don't exist either.

And basically, at multiple universities in this country

who do not believe in evolution, not publishing these views because they'll get fired

except the evolutionary mantra and they don't even accept millions of years.

You don't

see them for two reasons.

One, they have to be quiet to maintain their job.

And two, their opponents don't want to acknowledge that they exist.

Right.

And of course, you cannot underestimate the attempts at preserving

one's livelihood and career because it's very easily proven that

the holes of academia are predominantly ruled by leftist

totalitarians even in the scientific realm.

If you disagree with their religious dogma, and I said it that way for a reason, it's

because many of the things that they believe are not scientifically proven fact.

It's really their religion of secular humanism that maintains and preserves some of these things

like Darwinian evolution and so on.

If you are out of step with them, you will be ridiculed, you'll be mocked publicly and

likely lose your career if you're in that career to begin with.

Back in the 1800s, the Duke of Ark,

and he referenced the early

Darwinists.

He talked about a reign of terror.

They made sure that only Darwinists got in important positions in government, in

religion,

got in position and they would denigrate, obfuscate other

people.

They're actually very politically astute and as if

in order to win respect.

Well, I'd like you and now in two minutes time to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners

today.

The Bible claims to be an all -comprehensive.

It makes claims of why things are the way they are.

This universe says that Jesus Christ

a thousand years ago really do

test whether or not the Bible

is this issue.

So it's a hard thing to

encourage people that there are answers to

those there.

They just have to dig.

Great.

That's creation .com.

That's the website where you can find out more information about Dr. Robert W. Carter and his colleagues

at Creation Ministries International.

Don't forget about the Word of Truth Church Conference this Friday and Saturday,

September 21st and 22nd.

For more details, go to wotchurch .com wotchurch .com.

Also, look up on the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio archive the two -day, I think it was at least two days,

conversation that we had with Taz Walker and an old earth creationist.

Go to ironsharpensironradio .com and type in Taz T -A -S Walker in the search

engine and you will find that series of interviews between the young earth and old earth

position.

I want to thank Pastor Bruce Bennett for being on the show today and for being a part of this discussion and also

arranging this interview.

And I want to thank, obviously, Dr. Robert Carter and all of you who took the time to write in questions and also

all of you who listened today who we did not hear from.

I hope you all always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you

are a sinner.