Rome and Mary: the Sad Reality

Well greetings welcome to the dividing line we have some work to do right here at the beginning We have some business to take care of and that is

We have over the past month been Offering raffle tickets for this

Derek Melton blade And when I say Derek Melton blade, you need to understand he makes all of it.

Okay, I mean he forges the steel He makes the handles he it bottom up Derek Melton does all that and the the really neat Leather Scabbard thing with Bobby there and it's razor -sharp by the way

Just so you know, and I'm sure Derek would be happy to tell you What oil and stuff to put on it because he's told me it's a

Japanese sword oil because I have a couple of his blades as well and so we sold raffle tickets of 200 some odd I believe 248 248 raffle tickets

Some people bought more than one. I was just asking about that and so that's really cool and So you take it away rich cuz you're the one that we have

Also on the line with us Chris wasn't our vice president He has the listing of all the entries and everyone is tied to a particular number in the order in which

The their tickets were purchased. And so I have brought up on the screen for you the random number generator we're gonna run that right now and That's going to tell us the number that is the winner.

And here we go. The number is 132 Chris who is our winner? 132 sorry rich, that was not you

Congratulations to Roy classin Say that he Roy classin

Roy classin. All right. Well, Roy, I saw that last name Kla ss.

En. Okay. Well Roy I am gonna be getting in touch with you through your email and getting a

Address to ship this to you And congratulations Roy and Thank you for for supporting the ministry through through all of this.

We really appreciate you folks doing that. Yep yeah, in fact rich was at the

RV It's a dealership repair place I mean we started just having them doing repairs and that's where we ended up buying the new

Relatively for us new RV. He was over there today Once I got back from this last trip,

I took it after we emptied it out. We took it over there and It's not because there was a 16 million things to do pretty much this this trip over is all maintenance stuff wheel bearings

Yeah tire rotations and Making it easier

For me to set up the the vehicle Dividing line and one of the ways to make that easier is

To make it easier to hook up Starlink and if you've not used Starlink, especially the mobile version of Starlink They have made it easier.

The the new the new Starlink unit is Amazingly simple but You it's a proprietary cable and you've got to be able to connect the modem to the cable and That's interesting when you're in an

RV And so we're having a I don't know if you wouldn't call it a grommet.

What do you call it? Well, actually that's that is what I would call it I would call it a grommet with a membrane inside the port that you run the cable through to get from the outside in yeah, so we're having a port installed so I can take that cable and get it in there and How'd I do it this last time rich somehow found a hole in the

Gaskets in one of the slide outs and I'd be sitting there Trying to find this hole and then trying to thread stuff up there

And if it goes the wrong way, it ends up going someplace where it shouldn't go and you know fun stuff like that So we decide we're gonna do this.

We need to do it, right and Be able to do this With post haste

Because I like I like doing programs on the road not just dividing lines, but hey, we did our first debate and I thought it went just fine

And if we can set things up even more quickly

We're working on background stuff Lights the the light stuff is up now and wiring has been put in and and all this stuff and we had that in the last in the last

RV that became defective and so We're just getting sort of back to where we were

With the with the new one, which is a little more challenging There was only one slide out in the old studio and it really didn't impact much

This studio has two both the huge slide outs are and these are big slide outs.

I mean, it's a big unit So anyways, that's where it is right now. So once they're done with all that then

I'll be taking it to our covered Storage spot which in Summer in Phoenix is a good good thing to have.

Um So congratulations to mr. Klausen on on this and I Rich will be shipping it out.

So I want you to take a look. Mr. Klausen what it looks like now Because if you get a little switchblast, you know a pocketknife that says made in Taiwan We're gonna know who to blame

Taiwan Oklahoma, yeah, I'm sure there's a

Taiwan, Oklahoma. I'm sure that there is a place like that somewhere not really so we want to thank thank

Chris for helping out with the drawing and He's he's he's already gone his way. So We got all the proper verification that we need to make sure that we did this on the up -and -up and I didn't

You know do a fight buy a whole bunch of No Tickets under a false name.

No rich Pierce five -finger discount. Uh -huh. Yeah. Yeah, cuz Rich likes this knife for some strange reason.

So it is a beautiful knife Okay before we

I have some really important topics to to dive into here and Just letting someone know here

I'm actually doing scheduling with because in October The the next the next trip that we're gonna be doing

I'm gonna be I've got the debate in Mobile, Alabama some people say mobile

I've always heard of mobile. But anyways Mobile, Alabama on the I believe the 26th of October and Then I'll be at the prodigal

America fight laugh feast thing in Fort Worth starting

I believe the 30th and So I'm right now talking with pastor

Jeff Neal my old old Decrepit old friend

I Can say that because we're about the same age I think I'm a year younger than him and We've definitely grown up together

I could tell you stories really could tell you stories

But he and I are texting and he was just asking me which Sunday I was going to be

Available while I'm there in the Fort Worth area. So that will be November 3rd and He's trying to get me into Two different churches on that Sunday makes for a long

Sunday, but we'll try to Do our best. Hope that I haven't picked up any

Wonderful stuff for those who have been praying for me. Thank you very much. I'd surgery on Friday First couple days weren't fun.

I had expected significantly less invasiveness Because they're gonna be using this robot, you know, and you got all this, you know

This guy's sitting there and he's doing it all robotically I had one hernia fix on Friday in 1993

I had two and This surgery for one was more invasive

Than the 1993 surgery was we went backwards I It's like oh, we've got a toy to play with and they chopped me up for just one much more than they did for the two you were gonna you were

I Actually can laugh now. It's it's okay. I'm I'm alright, you know,

I don't want to cough but I'm First couple days are rough, but I did 20 miles on bike today inside.

I Mean falling off a bike right now would be really a bad idea I will admit

But I've got it. I've got I've got to get the miles back up. I did a hundred miles on bike Wednesday before the surgery

I went and signed up. I'm doing a 100 kilometer bike ride. It's a bike ride.

It's Back in the olden days. It was the first 100 mile ride that I ever did and I'm doing it again

My goodness how many? What 31 years

Yeah, 31 years after doing the first time Wow, I didn't even thought about that and So I it's a hundred kilometers.

That's Good solid and speeds. I'm going these days three and a half four hours.

And so I've got a I've got to get get the fitness back and I had it

It's not like you could lose it that fast, but I'm a little nervous about that a little nervous about that so anyways, that's what

What's going on here? But again down in the in, Texas and Alabama We're gonna be down that direction and then as normal the first weekend in December Which this time is going to be the 6th 7th and 8th will be at Covenant Grace Church in st.

Charles Talking about the LGBTQIA plus insanity and As I mentioned last time very late in the year because Thanksgiving is a 28th

This is late as I can get I don't think you can get a later than this So and then on the way back

Like the 11th. I'll be in prior with Derek Melton So I'll be at the

Derek's Church in prior on the way back because I was supposed to be there When was that May?

Yeah, I was heading there when I ended up in the hospital in Texas So so on all these things

I do remind me I need to add them into your speaking calendar You're supposed to just into all these things.

Yeah, I'm the last most just sort of I am the last one I mentioned it in passing. You're supposed to just get all the details and yeah

Yeah this works I Don't even have it in my calendar.

I just happen to know that That's how that's how it's gonna see how it works.

That's it. He just knows these things Well, actually actually you have access to the RV trip life calendar

And that's that's the one that tells you where I learn what KL ways you're gonna be. Yeah, I don't learn what churches

You're gonna be That's as good as you're gonna get okay, that's just all there is to he's got to be speaking at the

KOA down in Yep Yep, so I'm I went to church

Sunday night and I really wanted to be I Had missed the

Sunday before Because I had just gotten back and there was some stuff had to take care of and I wasn't able to make it and So I I've been gone for a long time, and I don't like being gone that long

And so I Wasn't feeling good but I There's a there's a little there's a little pew at the church we run and It's right up front, but it's sideways.

It's up against the wall. It faces the pulpit but from the side And I've just adopted it

Since I became an elder at apologia I one of the pastors I've just sort of adopted and that's where I said and I've noticed that when

I preach Jeff normally sits there so it by the way, it's not attached to the wall So do not sit in it

If you sit on the front of it, it will flip over on top of you. So be very careful about that and Well, don't sit it.

Anyways, if I'm found there it's mine. So get out of the way Anyway So I'm sitting there and One of the wonderful faithful families in our church comes up to me and they've got a gift bag and and Desi says to me she says

Liam Has a gift for you and he was there he's a young young gentleman,

I'm not sure of his exact age, but um And she put the gift bag down I I literally

As I was saying that I couldn't lean over Far enough to even rummage around in it comfortably

And I said, I'm gonna have to have Kelly help me to you know, get stuff out and unwrap it. Thank you very much

You know things like that well, the curiosity got the better of me toward the end of the service and so I'm sort of reaching down there and I I feel something and I I pull it out now.

I have a picture up on the screen right now I don't know if rich and Yeah, that's the the last picture that I took of Darth and And Darfis was my buddy for almost 15 years and He was born on our back porch and his brother

Coper was born the back porch too, but they were two different litters and We knew the mother and the father and and stuff like that.

They were feral and This was actually

I think And this is the last picture that I have of him you can tell Kelly's in the picture and It's a

FaceTime thing. She was away and so I had already made the appointment for later in that day

For the vet to come to the house and put him down. He was wasting away He had lost a lot of weight.

You could say he had become very clingy. He had never been a real clingy kitty, but He was on me constantly because he just felt so horrible and so That's last picture.

I have a Darth. So I I open I open this gift bag and Liam has hand -drawn that picture

And done a wonderful job with it It is very very hard to draw fur especially in black and white,

I mean it's it's Very very difficult, but you'll see it's very very well done if you compare the the photo the photograph that you had up just a moment ago and And I was and yeah, there you go.

And yeah, see and I was Just Blown away.

I mean, you know when you when you come back when I come back from traveling and any preachers who travel will

Tell you this When I come back from traveling

I will take my Bible out And I'll find in the cover inside the

Bible in my backpack wherever I'll find all these pictures

That I have been handed by especially young kids really young kids They'll come up to you after the service and they're sort of nervous and Their parents don't have to encourage them and then they'll hand you this and sometimes they'll be folded up You have to unfold it and you know,

I'm an easy mark because I shave my head So, you know, it's around circle and the beard, you know, but they've drawn pictures of me and I Can't tell you how many of those

I've found not only from our fellowship, but especially when I travel And I'll bring those things home with me and it you know, it means a tremendous amount to you to get this kind of stuff, but I was

I was just like How did he know? How did he and then

I found out that? My wife had been involved and and my daughter knew about it and do things like that.

So other people had Collaborated shall we say But, you know,

I Mentioned this first of all to thank Liam and to show you his his handiwork

That's a great job. He also did another one of Copper. Copper is black. That's an extra impossible to do. That's really hard to do and But just to let folks know that you know, you don't have to send your pastors on cruises

To say thanks. I'm not saying don't But most pastors

Something like this, you know means far more to them than than a cruise to Alaska or whatever else it might be though in Arizona a cruise to Alaska in August would be really really nice, but It It's a way to truly encourage

People and I would highly Recommend that to others there's things that people can do that will

Make your pastor's life wonderful and you know, I am preaching next

Sunday We're doing a the the deacons actually requested in light of How many new members we have

That we do a core doctrines series that the things that specifically set us apart and Jeff is going to be testifying on abortion laws in Ohio and Kentucky I think this week the final adoption decree came through for the girls the twin girls last week, so He's now posted some stuff about the trials and tribulations that was and how the adoption process the

United States is a royal mess and purposefully so Anyway, he'll be doing that.

So I'll be preaching and and so as he was going well, I'm doing this part of the gospel this week and next week would be

Justification by faith. I was like heard of it It wouldn't be the hardest topic for me to be addressing so and I Will be preaching on Sunday and So I I just mentioned that I wanted to show you that beautiful artwork and thank lean for that and Encourage people out there encourage your pastors your elders.

They need the encouragement now man, there's a lot of stuff out here, uh,

I I've been bookmarking things in In Twitter and I wanted to start

It the only problem with this is there's got to be an easier way To do videos in Twitter than what we have right now

I suppose I just have to drag it over here and and make it big

La mayor party de la savvy. Hold on. Hold on Okay This is a video featuring

Pope Francis. I don't know when it came out Pope Francis has held these views his entire pontificate

But I want to talk a little today as I have said for a long time as Our society secularizes

Non -catholics Catholics Orthodox Will be forced into a smaller and smaller area

Right now we are facing the rise of Marxism in the

United States A Major political party in the

United States That is filled with Marxists led by a

Marxist That just proposed last week Marxist price controls just like you have in Venezuela the

USSR China everywhere Everywhere the Marxism has existed. This is what the government does and It causes especially in regards to food shortages famines death

When and apply the housing same thing and This is a

Meeting taking place in Chicago where yesterday they boasted that they had offered ten image bearers of God on the altar

Planned Parenthood has a mobile The sectomy and abortion studio parked outside they murdered ten babies yesterday,

I think they're up to 25 now These people are the very essence

The antithesis of Christianity they the antithesis of the Constitution United States as well

They're Marxists and they are promoting Marxist Ideals and and want to Bring this nation to its knees and they're right there about ready to accomplish through corruption of the legal system foreign

Intervention in elections everything else all happening all at once right in front of our eyes And they're they're not even hardly bothering to try to hide it anymore.

So because of that there are lots of Roman Catholics that recognize the foolishness of Marxism and And so what happens is in social media if you are saying certain things the algorithms gonna end up hooking you up with people saying the same things and You end up being wrong, you know seeing all lots of stuff from Roman Catholics.

And so I'm seeing more and more interaction sadly large large portion of The non -catholic side

Is Non -reformed and hence That being reformed doesn't mean you know much about the

Reformation necessarily, but it does increase Possibility that you know something about the

Reformation and hence the real issues of the Reformation The Solas you've probably heard sermons on the subject things like that And so we're seeing these things and We need to be giving as Clear a testimony as we can

Because it's one thing for us all to be going Marxism is stupid, but here's what happened

I'll be listening to a Roman Catholic talking about this stuff and we're tracking tracking tracking tracking and all of a sudden

They go one direction. I go the opposite Because their answer is to Pray the

Immaculate Heart of Mary or something like that and It's a it's tragedy, but that's

It is that's the world we live in so You as I play this you can see the subtitles because this is in Another language

The Pope speaks a number of different languages But I want you to see we'll start here and then we'll move to other elements here

Because this is this is the the view of the Vatican. This is the view from the

Vatican and listen listen to what it says I Knew that was going to happen

The majority of the inhabitants of the planet declare themselves believers

Esto debería provocar un diálogo entre las religiones No debemos dejar de orar por él y colaborar con quienes piensan distinto

Confío en Buda, so she's saying and I think this is gonna mess it up again

She's saying I have confidence in Buddha Yep, I knew it

La mayor parte de los habitantes del planeta say Buddha Creo en

Dios Cristo Jewish Catholic Muslim muchos

Many things differently feel differently Tinto Boca Nadia seeking

God or meeting God in a different way in this crowd in this range of religion the religion

There is only one certainty we have the role. What's the certainty? Todos somos hijos de

Dios What we are all children of God now, this is something that Pope Francis says over and over and over again

We're all children of God. That's not what the Bible teaches

We're made in the image of God We are God's creatures But Jesus said to the

Jews you You're not God's children. You're not

God's sheep Um, the only Way to be a son or daughter of God according the

Christian message The Bible is by faith in Jesus Christ. The Pope does not believe that The Pope does not believe that We're all children of God.

We all just have different ways of experiencing it That's what you're seeing here And it did it again.

I'm I'm just not even gonna fight with it Um This kind of Acute well, you know,

I am gonna fight with it La mayor parte de los habitantes del planeta se declaran creyentes de diversa manera en esta multitudinous

Hay una sola certeza que tenemos para todo Todos somos hijos de

Dios Creo en el amor.

I believe in love. I believe in love. I believe in love I believe in love now.

I use the spacebar there and if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Um How do you define love

Do you define love in the same way in Islam as you do in Christianity?

How about in Buddhism? You might say well in Judaism.

Well depends on what form Judaism, but the

Full Demonstration of God's love is found in Jesus Christ in a way that's not found in Judaism not found in Islam And not found in Buddhism or Hinduism Might as well throw an atheist in here the fun of it

You have to be able to define what love is But if you start with the assumption we already had that foundation

You're not gonna be able to go there. Let's see what happens here. Nope It's spacebar. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom, man.

I just I don't even Huh Yeah, it's possible

This is chrome. This is chrome All right, so that's gonna make some of this tough because I have three different videos.

They're all in Twitter and so I'm if her eyes are upon you your salvation is assured all right, so we we have that kind of That's probably gonna mess it up.

I've tried. I've tried all I've tried tapping on the screen. I've tried that thing I've tried the spacebar. I've tried it all

So What's weird today is You have the

Pope doing his ecumenical wishy -washy Universalistic inclusivistic

Stuff that Would again

It's funny. I've said this. I don't know how many times now. I've not had a single Roman Catholic even step up to Try to argue it the perspectives represented by Pope Francis today if he had held to them publicly in 1600 in Rome would have had him burned

By the Roman Catholic Church and people run off while you burn people to it's not we're talking about that's not the point

The point is he is not a valid or trustworthy

Representative of Roman Catholic tradition in any form and there are many Roman Catholics who are sitting there going don't argue with him

He's right. He's right. They know it Many of you do know it.

So you've got that wishy -washy stuff going on and then you've got guys like this and the

Marian Stuff that you can find online

Right now it's always been there It's just social media makes it so much easier to find and Protestia has been doing a very good job.

I Don't know how what they spend their days doing but it's got to be Cruising the net constantly

They track this stuff down it's always been there all you got to do

I've held the book up before I don't think it's in here called the glories of Mary I've read to you from it

It's very old so it's been around But most of us who are not former

Roman Catholics Struggle a little bit to realize that there are actually people who believe this and who practice religion in this fashion

But here is Virgin most powerful radio. Wow, I just noticed that Virgin most powerful radio as soon as I hit the spacebar.

I'll have to redo this Feeling but let's see what happens if her eyes are upon you your salvation is assured

Now I think what that means. It means if she turns her gaze from you you're toast

So when does she do that? Well, it's very simple One of the things I've learned a lot about our lady and this whole thing is that she is absolutely consumed entirely with God She loves us but for his sake she loves us under the aspect of God She'd and so that love that she has for him is so self -consuming

That when we're in this state of grace and God is in dwelling in our souls. She wants to look upon our souls

The minute it's gone. She doesn't want to look at it That's what that basically means Okay, so back up to this so because we want to talk a little bit about our lady as a warrior

So obviously she's kind of like the nuclear bomb of heaven, right? So she just shows up and it's

If her eyes are upon you your salvation is assured Okay, it just restarted there.

So that's if you're confused So many things to catch here for most

Non -former Roman Catholics, if you're not a former Roman Catholic, you didn't come out of this It's Really hard to believe that people believe this the centrality of Mary That Mary is the central

Object of devotion veneration and you can sit there until the cows come home saying there's a difference between Latria and Dulia between veneration worship there isn't

There isn't Um when when you know here here's a oh

I can't bring it over here because this is still Maximized Here is a

Yeah, okay. This is I think today I Think this is today

Guy named Eric Sammons that I've seen a number of times on Twitter Catholics pray to Our Lady and ask her intercession

For the conversion of all those here on X who malign her.

I Believe the devil's behind this renewed attack upon her, but we know she is the one who crushes his head

Our Lady Queen of Heaven pray for sinners. So who's who brings about conversion?

married In Roman Catholic theology, she is the neck that turns the head of grace all grace that comes mankind comes to Mary This has been taught by Popes for quite some time and This is how it ends up working out

For people I had yeah, okay here it is

Here is Taylor Marshall and This may have been today as well

If you deny any of these four dogmas you are a heretic and anathema Mary is the human mother of God the

Son That's the only one with a biblical reference Number two

Mary is ever virgin. She and Joseph never had relations or children She also experienced zero pain and giving birth

Jesus Christ second council of Constantinople 85 to 3 at the latter and synod of ad 649

Now are these by the way ecumenical and infallible they can't tell you Did anybody at the time know their ecumenic?

Nope can't tell you don't know Number three Mary is sinless

Because Jesus perfectly sanctified her at the moment of her conception. She never sinned the

Council of Trent for Mary's body was resurrected glorified and taken in heaven and see it at the right hand of Jesus Christ all

Eastern and Western liturgies and immune you mean munificent Munificent is most deus.

So that's a wonderful term in 1950 that of course the dogmatic definition of the bodily assumption

Mary in 1950 That was only 74 years ago. I wonder if there's gonna be a big old

Brouhaha next year's big old celebration 75th year and all that goes. So here you have the various Marian dogmas

Mary as Theotokos and Again Theotokos mother of God means

God bearer That was originally a Christological title had nothing to do with Mary. It had to do with Jesus That he had was not adopted into deity or something like that That of course has been radically altered and changed over time and being turned into something completely different Ever -virgin perpetual

Virginia Mary we've debated that one a number of times May have to do it again but at least with that one you have clear biblical evidence and It gives you a great insight into Just how far

Rome will go to twist? clear scripture to come up with the opposite of what clear scripture teaches and You can sit there and yell, but Jerome in Anything is you don't even have

Helvidius's writings and the vast majority of you have not read Jerome's response to Helvidius.

I bet I bet you if Half a percent of Roman Catholics has actually read what

Jerome wrote. I'd be stunned The vast majority have not and of course even higher percentage of non

Catholics haven't read it either But it's not sound argumentation at all at all

Um, then you have Immaculate Conception At least seven different popes taught contrary to that numerous early church fathers thought that Mary sinned

This is one of those many many examples where Rome demonstrates that they don't give a flying leap

About either the Bible or church history or tradition when it comes to defining

Marian beliefs Because It doesn't come from the

Apostles doesn't come from Scripture and Then of course bodily assumption utterly disconnected

Member first debate with Jerry Matta ticks, Long Island Anybody in the second century anybody in the third century, mr.

Why I Don't have to show you that everybody in early church believe these things Jerry. I'll take just one laughter everywhere

Because there isn't anything Now What you end up illustrating with this stuff?

I'm gonna take this down when you end up ill at what you end up illustrating this stuff is there are Marian devotees and Catholic apologists who will ravage any fair honest meaningful historiography

Historical research They will find anything any word that they can read entire dogmas into From anybody in the early church and they will cram everything about Mary into any word

They say it is such a demonstration. Not only of their utter imbalance but the utter a historical nature of the entire

Marian system That's so plainly and so clearly

Evolved over many centuries and that the pinnacle of these

Marian dogmas you might say Hasn't even been defined yet.

People thought there was a lot of speculation 1999 maybe John Paul II would define the fifth

Marian dogma the Mary's choreodemtrix co -mediatrix of Christ He didn't it's been taught as doctrine

By Popes for 150 years more But wasn't dogmatized but these

You know the last immaculate conception bodily assumption and that No semi honest person

Who knows anything about history? Can look you in the eye and say yes, that is clearly what was being taught in early church because it wasn't

It wasn't you have to absolutely twist People's words inside and out to come up with this stuff

That tells you a lot about What Rome has defined on the basis of tradition so when when protestia and other people post these videos a

Lot of us sit here going What because it's just it's so far outside of our experience when we when we go when when

I as a Pastor go to the hospital which these days instead of visiting others has been pretty much just for me, but It's been fun

But When I go to visit people in a hospital that have just gone through a horrible loss or I've just gotten a

Terrible prognosis or whatever else it might be Mary's the last person our mind

Because if you're going to open the scriptures to someone The scriptures know nothing of Mary having anything to do with anything

No, she's not the woman in Revelation 12 even early church didn't believe that That's absurd.

That's again twisting scriptures Mary passes from the scene brief mention only in regards to Jesus born of woman

She's not revelation She's not a part of the worship of the church She's not being prayed to She's not intervening she's not the neck that moves the head of grace none of this stuff is

Found anywhere in Scripture and as a pastor with the sheep of Christ they want to hear the voice of Christ and So I'm opening scripture to them

We are going in prayer by the Holy Spirit directly to the throne of grace where Jesus Christ intercedes for his people and Represents us in the very presence of the

Father. I'm not going through intermediaries. I'm not going through Saints or angels

The biblical picture the biblical presentation that taught by the

Apostles is Very very different than what you have in Roman Catholicism.

And so when we hear this kind of stuff, we're just we're just like It it's it's a different religion it it you don't even know how to address it and So We listen to this guy

And Remember what he said? He said that if Mary's gaze is upon you your salvation is assured, but if he turns her eyes away you're toast and Then when he explained that a lot of non

Roman Catholics would struggle to understand exactly what he's saying he's

Holding to A older traditional form of Roman Catholic theology

Where you are in the state of grace and if you understand what that means in Roman Catholic theology

Grace has been infused into you It's the old I've told the story many many times before we have lots and lots of new listeners all the time

We're thankful you're here It's the old conflict

Between What Luther pointed out when he talked about the pile of dung Okay Now we we don't know what

Luther actually said. This sounds like Luther. Let's run with it for that He's credited with it

He said that we in our sinful state are like a pile of dung we're reprehensible This was this came from his experience in rural

Germany where You kept your animals refuse to use as Fertilizer your fields the next spring when you planned your crops

You had to that's the only way you didn't starve the next year But by the end of the summer man that dung pile was pretty putrid lots of flies and man

If the wind was going the right direction, it was rough fresh country air we used to call it and Luther said the justification is like the first winter snow that comes and covers all the land evenly before all the ruts and the you know, the

Stuff that doesn't look nearly as good come February March and He said it's an alien righteousness it covers us over but it doesn't take this dung pile away

It's not our righteousness You haven't done something to the dung pile to change it into something else

It's still dung but it's covered in something that is Pleasing to the eye it takes away the smell takes away the repulsiveness

He was not saying that there is not sanctification sanctification does take place But he was differentiating between justification and sanctification

Roman Catholics attack it at Legal fiction blah blah blah, so we turn the illustration around in Roman Catholic theology

What you have is an infusion of grace in baptism

That changes the pile of dung into a pile of gold God likes gold he lines streets with it so Because you have been changed

Your your soul has been made pleasing to God That's why you go to heaven the it's not because of an alien righteousness.

It's not because of an imputed righteous It's because you have been made righteous problem is sin

And so from the Roman Catholic perspective the old style again, I don't know what Francis believes about functionally

Experientially, I don't know But the old -style Roman Catholic teaching that's still the teaching of the official documents anyways is

That if you commit a mortal sin you leave the state of grace, that's what he was talking about You leave the state of grace

She turned your eyes away because she's not gonna look on that why? because if you commit the moral sin it destroys grace justification and you become a pile of dung again and Mary's not gonna look at a pile of dung

So notice Mary has no power to determine one way or the other. It's all up to you Now it is

God. It's all up to you. And so If you commit venial sin your pile of gold you commit venial sin well flecks of dung start appearing on the surface of the goal and Before you can go in the presence of God those flecks of dung have to be removed.

That's what purgatory is about That's what it was about it's very obvious to me these days that Roman Catholics are very embarrassed by purgatory and no longer really believe

What Roman Catholics used to believe about purgatory? That's obvious to me

Jimmy Akin Trent Horn, I don't think they actually believe What their grandparents believed about purgatory at all?

I really don't and I think the vast majority Roman Catholics If they weren't trying to defend things would go yeah, yeah, that's true anyway

So that's what he's saying if her gaze is upon you It's because you're in the state of grace

But if she turns her gaze away because you're no longer in a state of grace you're toast How is that a powerful?

So that's not the that's not the Jesus. That's not Jesus the Bible all those are given to him

He raised them up in the last day. Why because he actually can save them to the uttermost Hebrews chapter 7 because he ever lives to make intercession for them

You don't have that in Roman Catholicism Because you don't have a finished work of Christ the mass

Does not perfect anyone for whom it's made So you don't have that You can't go there different gospel different gospel and so you see

How Mary is central in what he said? But she doesn't have the power

That we attribute to Jesus in his atoning death Because we believe in soul scripture and we allow the scriptures to define these

I don't even know how to comment about Mary as a nuclear bomb

Okay, I mean Mary has no earthly idea what's going on this on this planet.

Okay Every prayer it's ever been said to Mary You never heard it

God is not subjecting that or Dear servant of his to the billions and billions and billions of Requests and everything else that is directed toward her.

It's a false hope and She's not a nuclear bomb and when people

Today look at what's happening in our world and Say our hope is

Mary. I just go No, our hope is not

Mary and if you're working and praying that direction you're you're gonna accomplish nothing and That's what breaks my heart is

I like I said, I'll be listening Roman Catholics and they see it they get it and Yes, sir,

I was gonna come there it's not a good thing. I just thought what's that dead air is not a good thing Do you remember the when we went to World Youth Day when we were young very that was that was

Nuns was that 31 years ago. That was 1993 31 years ago. It was a

June. I think it was June It was warm. Yeah. Yeah, and we were talking to the the two nuns out there as we were passing out tracks in the middle of these thousands of Roman Catholics swarming the place

Was that when? The first day when it was the big gathering or is that when they were on the pilgrimage?

I? Think was the first day. Okay, because it was after I think that was after we went to the museum and Saw the yeah the p40 thrown out of the place but I Just I will never forget the conversation you were having this in -depth

Conversation with the older nun and the younger nun was not to be left out. So she starts talking to me and She starts pleading with me about praying to Mary.

You really should try it You really should try it and I and I looked at her as genuine as I possibly could and I said you don't you don't

Understand do you and she goes what's to understand? I said the lines busy She's so busy praising

God. She's completely absorbed by that She hasn't got any time for my piddly little problems and she was just she didn't know what to do with that She was just totally floored and she's like, oh, let's listen to them.

I Don't remember that but I I do remember lots of conversations at that first day

Yeah, so I had another video from Marmari Emmanuel the guy down in Australia that was attacked in April lost his eye a

Muslim attacked him while he was preaching he lost his eye and So, you know give the man credit there but this was before that happened and he was talking about how he had been in hell and Mary had rescued him from hell

And you're just like It's Breaks my heart really really does to see this kind of tradition and and someone had said on Twitter the

Catholics and the Orthodox they all believe this type of stuff and all that does is demonstrate the danger of Tradition when it's not checked and that we all we all need to check our traditions and the only way to do that is by that which is the honest us and That's only scripture there's nothing else that is the honest us so Now if I wanted to wrap up at four o 'clock in one hour

I'd I'd wrap things up right now, but Actually rich is telling me that he's going out of out of town on Thursday and Friday Okay, and I do recall that at some point

I don't remember when long long ago he mentioned yes And I wasn't even thinking about scheduling and stuff like that so I have a program to do the

Bible dingers program With Michael Brown tomorrow at three o 'clock so Maybe we could do like 130 130 to 230.

I guess it's enough time to get reset because we have to mess around with the

ATEM's and stuff to Change how things are working We could do a program tomorrow and that would give me plenty of time to Address Bob Gagnon Yeah, Bob Gagnon, well the the best guys dealing with homosexuality and all that kind of stuff out there that you know, we so deeply appreciate but What's strange is he's very strongly anti -reformed

And I don't know if it was about three years ago or so He and I went back and forth on Facebook on stuff out of the

Gospel of John And in fact recently I saw him posting something about John chapter 6.

I look closely at I said, that's what he wrote three years ago in response to me And so he posted a response to someone named

Andrew on Twitter about John 1029 And I'm like, all right, we'll talk about this on the dividing line

So if we're gonna sneak another program in tomorrow I'll just hold that for tomorrow and we'll delve into John chapter 10 in response to Bob Gagnon Which is strange to me

Because when I first ran into Dr. Gagnon, he was teaching at Pittsburgh Seminary, which is a

PC USA, Presbyterian now Not overly conservative

Presbyterian certainly not anymore But seems pretty obvious to me the

Westminster Confession of Faith's position on this But he's gone from PC USA to a

Baptist school and now he's at a Wesleyan school so Evidently in that area there's a lot of Wiggle room from his perspective.

So maybe it's not as unusual as Might be but we will we'll dive into that on Tomorrow's program at 1 30 our time which will be 4 30

Eastern Time Eastern Daylight Time For everybody isn't

I just the only people who understand daylight time and saving time are

Arizonans because we are the only ones who don't do it and Everybody else this it sense it since everybody does it they don't even think about it and We're sitting here going.

Well, which one is it again? What do you mean? Nevermind? Yeah, so well We'll mess with that at that particular point in time.

So tomorrow Afternoon if you're in the East earlier afternoon if you're in the

West we will dive into John chapter 10 and That way we won't have to totally shift gears and burn out the clutch.

Some of you have no idea what that means It would be funny to see

Anyone from Millennials on we're trying to drive one of those things. But anyhow What on a hill?

Oh starting on a hill. Oh, yeah. Oh, I Know I know I know believe me been there done that got the t -shirt

All right, thanks for watching the program today Mr. Klassen heading heading your way and thanks to everybody who helped with the