Rome and Mary: the Sad Reality

Raffle Winner and Travel Fund Update

Well, greetings welcome to the dividing line. We have some work to do right here at the beginning. We have some business to take care of and that is. We have over the past month been Offering raffle tickets for this Derek Melton blade.

And when I say Derek Melton blade, you need to understand he makes all of it. Okay, I mean he forges the steel. He makes the handles he it bottom-up. Derek Melton does all that and the the really neat Leather Scabbard thing with Bobby there and it's razor-sharp, by the way, just so you know.

And I'm sure Derek would be happy to tell you What oil and stuff to put on it because he's told me it's a Japanese sword oil. Because I have a couple of his blades as well and so we sold raffle tickets of 200 some odd I believe 248 248 raffle tickets.

Some people bought more than one. I was just asking about that. And so that's really cool and So you take it away rich cuz you're the one that we have.

Also on the line with us Chris was in our vice president. He has the listing of all the entries and everyone is tied to a particular number in the order in which The their tickets were purchased. And so I have brought up on the screen for you the random number generator.

We're gonna run that right now and That's going to tell us the number that is the winner. And here we go. The number is 132. Chris who is our winner?

132 sorry rich, that was not you. Congratulations to Roy classin.

Say that he Roy classin.

Roy classin. All right. Well Roy, I saw that last name.

Kla ss. En. Okay. Well Roy I am gonna be getting in touch with you through your email and getting a Address to ship this to you.

And.

Congratulations Roy and Thank you for for supporting the ministry through through all of this. We really appreciate you folks doing that. Yep.

RV Repairs, Starlink Setup, and Upcoming Travel

Yeah, in fact rich was at the.

RV.

It's a dealership repair place I mean we started just having them doing repairs and that's where we ended up buying the new Relatively for us new RV. He was over there today. Once I got back from this last trip, I took it after we emptied it out.

We took it over there and It's not because there was a 16 million things to do pretty much this this trip over is all maintenance stuff wheel bearings Yeah tire rotations and Making it easier For me to set up the the trailer Dividing line and one of the ways to make that easier is To make it easier to hook up Starlink and if you've not used Starlink, especially the mobile version of Starlink They have made it easier.

The the new the new Starlink unit is Amazingly simple. But you it's a proprietary cable and you've got to be able to connect the modem to the cable and That's interesting when you're in an RV And so we're having a I don't know if you wouldn't call it a grommet.

What do you call it?

Well, actually that's that is what I would call it I would call it a grommet with a membrane inside the port that you run the cable through to get from the outside in.

Yeah, so we're having a port installed so I can take that cable and get it in there and How'd I do it this last time rich somehow found a hole in the Gaskets in one of the slide outs and I'd be sitting there Trying to find this hole and then trying to thread stuff up there.

And if it goes the wrong way, it ends up going someplace where it shouldn't go and you know fun stuff like that so we decide we're gonna do this we need to do it right and Be able to do this With post haste.

Because I like I like doing programs on the road not just dividing lines but hey, we did our first debate and I thought it went just fine and If we can set things up even more quickly. We're working on background stuff lights the the light stuff is up now and wiring has been put in and and all this stuff and we had that in the last in the last RV that became defective and so We're just getting sort of back to where we were With the with the new one, which is a little more challenging.

There was only one slide out in the old studio and it really didn't impact much. This studio has two both the huge slide outs are and these are big slide outs. I mean, it's a big unit. So anyways, that's where it is right now.

So once they're done with all that then I'll be taking it to our covered Storage spot. Which in the summer in Phoenix is a good good thing to have. Um. So congratulations to mr. Klausen on This and I Rich will be shipping it out.

So I want you to take a look. Mr. Klausen what it looks like now. Because if you get a little switchblast, you know a pocket knife that says made in Taiwan. We're gonna know who to blame Taiwan Oklahoma.

Yeah, I'm sure there's a Taiwan, Oklahoma. I'm sure that there is a place like that somewhere not really.

So we want to thank thank Chris for helping out with the drawing and He's he's he's already gone his way. So We got all the proper verification that we need to make sure that we did this on the up-and-up and I didn't.

You know do a fight. Buy a whole bunch of.

No.

Tickets under a false name. No rich Pierce five-finger discount. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah, cuz Rich likes this knife for some strange reason. So it is a beautiful knife. Okay before we I have some really important topics to to dive into here and Just letting someone know here I'm actually doing scheduling with because in October The the next the next trip that we're gonna be doing I'm gonna be I've got the debate in Mobile, Alabama some people say mobile.

I've always heard of mobile. But anyways Mobile, Alabama on the I believe the 26th of October and Then I'll be at the prodigal America fight laugh feast thing in Fort Worth starting I believe the 30th and So I'm right now talking with pastor Jeff Neal my old old Decrepit old friend.

I Can say that because we're about the same age I think I'm a year younger than him and We've definitely grown up together. I could tell you stories really could tell you stories. But he and I are texting and he was just asking me which Sunday I was going to be Available while I'm there in the Fort Worth area.

So that will be November 3rd and He's trying to get me into Two different churches on that Sunday makes for a long Sunday, but we'll try to Do our best. Hope that I haven't picked up any Wonderful stuff for those of you who've been praying for me.

Thank you very much. I'd surgery on Friday. First couple days weren't fun. I had expected significantly less invasiveness Because they're gonna be using this robot, you know, and you got all this, you know This guy's sitting there and he's doing it all robotically.

I had one hernia fix on Friday in 1993. I had two done and This surgery for one was more invasive than the 1993 surgery was we went backwards.

I.

It's like oh, we've got a toy to play with and they chopped me up for just one much more than they did for the two. You were gonna you were I actually can laugh now. It's it's okay. I'm alright. You know, I don't want to cough but I'm First couple days are rough, but I did 20 miles on bike today inside.

I Mean falling off a bike right now would be really a bad idea I will admit. But I've got it. I've got I've got to get the miles back up. I did a hundred miles on bike Wednesday before the surgery I went and signed up.

I'm doing a 100 kilometer bike ride. It's a bike ride. It's Back in the olden days. It was the first 100 mile Ride that I ever did and I'm doing it again. My goodness how many? 31 years. Yeah, 31 years after doing the first time.

Wow, I hadn't even thought about that and So I it's a hundred kilometers. That's Good solid and speeds. I'm going these days three and a half four hours. And so I've got a I've got to get get the fitness back and I had it.

It's not like you could lose it that fast, but I'm a little nervous about that a little nervous about that.

So.

Anyways, that's what. What's going on here? But again down in the in Texas and Alabama. We're gonna be down that direction and then as normal the first weekend of December Which this time is going to be the 6th 7th and 8th will be at Covenant Grace Church in st. Charles.

Talking about the LGBTQIA plus insanity.

And.

As I mentioned last time very late in the year because Thanksgiving is a 28th. This is lazy and get. I don't think you can get a later than this. So and then on the way back like the 11th, I'll be in prior with Derek Melton.

So I'll be at the Derek's tradition Richard prior on the way back because I was supposed to be there. When was that May? Yeah, I was heading there when I ended up in the hospital in Texas.

So so on all these things I do remind me I need to add them into your speaking calendar.

You're supposed to just into all these things. Yeah, I'm the last most just sort of I am the lab. When I mention it in passing you're supposed to just get all the details and yeah.

Yeah.

This works I Don't even have it in my calendar. I just happen to know that. That's how that's how it's gonna see how it works. That's it. He just knows these things. Well, actually actually you have access to the RV trip life calendar.

And that's that's the one that tells you where I learned what KO ways you're gonna be.

Yeah, I don't learn what churches you're gonna be.

That's as good as you're gonna get. Okay, that's just all there is to. He's gotta be speaking at the KO a down in.

Yep. Yep.

So, I'm I went to church Sunday night and I I really wanted to be I. I Had missed the Sunday before. Because I had just gotten back and there was some stuff I had to take care of and I wasn't able to make it and.

So I.

I've been gone for a long time and I don't like being gone that long and so I Wasn't feeling good but I. There's a there's a little there's a little.

Pew.

At the church we run from and it's right up front, but it's sideways. It's up against the wall. It faces the pulpit but from the side. And I've just adopted it. Since I became an elder at Apologia. I one of the pastors I've just sort of adopted and that's where I said and I've noticed that when I preach Jeff normally sits there so it by the way, it's not attached to the wall.

So do not sit in it. If you sit on the front of it, it will flip over on top of you. So be very careful about that and Well, don't sit it. Anyways, if I'm found there it's mine. So get out of the way.

Anyway.

So I'm sitting there and One of the Wonderful faithful families in our church comes up to me and they've got a gift bag and And Desi says to me she says Liam Has a gift for you and he was there he's a young young gentleman, I'm not sure of his exact age but um.

And she put the gift bag down I I literally As I was saying that I couldn't lean over far enough to even rummage around in it comfortably. And I said, I'm gonna have to have Kelly helped me to you know, get stuff out and unwrap it.

Thank you very much. You know things like that well, the curiosity got the better of me toward the end of the service and so I'm sort of reaching down there and I I feel something and I I pull it out now.

I have a picture up on the screen right now I don't know if rich and Yeah, that's the the last picture that I took of Darth and Darfees was my buddy for almost 15 years and He was born on our back porch and his brother Copper was born the back porch too, but they were two different litters and We knew the mother and the father and and stuff like that.

They were feral and This was actually I think this is the last picture that I have of him you can tell Kelly's in the picture and It's a FaceTime thing. She was away and so I had already made the appointment for later in that day For the vet to come to the house and put him down he was wasting away.

He had lost a lot of weight. You could he had become very clingy. He had never been a real clingy kitty, but he was on me constantly because he just felt so horrible and so That's last picture. I have Darth so I I open I open this gift bag and Liam has Hand-drawn that picture And done a wonderful job with it.

It is very very hard to draw fur. Especially in black and white. I mean, it's it's Very very difficult, but you'll see it's very very well done you compare the the photo the photograph that you had up just a moment ago and And I was and yeah, there you go.

And yeah, see. And I was Just Blown away. I mean, you know when you when you come back when I come back from traveling and any preachers who travel will Tell you this When I come back from traveling I will take my Bible out.

And I'll find In the cover inside the Bible in my backpack.

Wherever.

I'll find all these pictures That I've been handed by especially young kids really young kids they'll come up to you after the service and they're sort of nervous and Their parents don't have to encourage them and then they'll hand you this and sometimes they'll be folded up.

You have to unfold it and you know, I'm an easy mark because I shave my head. So, you know, it's a round circle and the beard, you know, but they've drawn pictures of me.

And I.

Can't tell you how many of those I've found not only from our fellowship, but especially when I travel. And I'll bring those things home with me and it you know, it means a tremendous amount to you To get this kind of stuff.

But I was I was just like How did he know how did he and then I found out that My wife had been involved and and my daughter knew about it and do things like that. So other people had Collaborated shall we say but you know, I Mentioned this first of all to thank Liam and to show you his his handiwork.

That's a great job. He also did another one of Copper. Copper is black. That's an extra impossible to do. That's really hard to do and But just to let folks know that. You know, you don't have to send your pastors on Cruises to say thanks.

I'm not saying don't. But most pastors. Something like this, you know means far more to them than. Than a cruise to Alaska or whatever else it might be though in Arizona a cruise to Alaska in August would be really really nice, but.

It.

It's a way to truly encourage people and I would highly Recommend that to others. There's things that people can do that will Make your pastor's life Wonderful. And you know, I am preaching next Sunday.

We're doing a the the deacons actually requested in light of. How many new members we have that we do a core doctrines series that the things that specifically set us apart and Jeff is going to be testifying on abortion laws in.

Ohio and.

Kentucky I think this week the final adoption decree came through for the girls the twin girls last week, so He's now posted some stuff about the trials and tribulations. That was and how the adoption process the United States is a royal mess and purposefully so Anyway, he'll be doing that.

So I'll be preaching and and so he was going. Well, I'm doing this part of the gospel this week and next week would be Justification by faith. I was like heard of it Wouldn't be the hardest topic for me to be addressing so and I Will be preaching on Sunday and So I I just mentioned that I wanted to show you that beautiful artwork and thank lean for that and Encourage people out there encourage your pastors your elders.

They need the encouragement now man, there's a lot of stuff out here, uh, I I've been bookmarking things in in Twitter and I wanted to start It the only problem with this is there's got to be an easier way To do videos in Twitter than what we have right now I suppose I just have to drag it over here and and make it big La mayor parte de la savvy.

Hold on. Hold on. Okay. Um This is a video featuring Pope Francis. I don't know when it came out Pope Francis has held these views his entire pontificate but I want to talk a little today as I have said for a long time as our society secularizes Non-catholics Catholics Orthodox Will be forced into a smaller and smaller area Right now We are facing the rise of Marxism in the United States.

A.

Major political party in the United States that is filled with Marxists led by a Marxist That just proposed last week Marxist price controls just like you have in Venezuela the USSR China everywhere Everywhere the Marxism has existed.

This is what the government does and It causes especially in regards to food shortages famines death When and apply the housing same thing and This is a Meeting taking place in Chicago where yesterday they boasted that they had offered ten Image bearers of God on the altar.

Planned Parenthood has a mobile Vasectomy and abortion studio parked outside. They murdered ten babies yesterday. I think they're up to 25 now. These people are the very essence The antithesis of Christianity they the antithesis of the Constitution United States as well.

They're Marxists and they are promoting Marxist Ideals and and want to bring this nation To its knees and they're right. They're about ready to accomplish.

Through.

Corruption of the legal system foreign Intervention in elections everything else all happening all at once right in front of our eyes and they're they're not even Hardly bothering to try to hide it anymore.

So because of that there are lots of Roman Catholics that recognize the foolishness of Marxism and So what happens is in social media? If you are saying certain things the algorithm is going to end up hooking you up with people saying the same things and You end up being wrong, you know seeing all lots of stuff for Roman Catholics.

And so I'm seeing more and more interaction Sadly large large portion of The non-catholic side.

Is.

Non-reformed and hence That being reformed doesn't mean you know much about the Reformation necessarily, but it does increase Possibility that you know something about the Reformation and hence the real issues of the Reformation.

The solas. You've probably heard sermons on the subject things like that and so we're seeing these things and we need to be giving as Clear a testimony as we can. Because it's one thing for us all to be going.

Marxism is stupid, but here's what happened. I'll be listening to a Roman Catholic talking about this stuff and we're tracking tracking tracking tracking and all of a sudden They go one direction. I go the opposite because their answer is to Pray the Immaculate Heart of Mary or something like that and It's a it's tragedy, but that's It is that's the world we live in so You as I play this you can see the subtitles because this is in Another language the Pope speaks a number of different languages.

But I want you to see we'll start here and then we'll move to other elements here. Because this is this is the the view of the Vatican. This is the view from the Vatican and listen listen to what it says.

I Knew that was going to happen.

La mayor parte de los habitantes del planeta se declaran crecientes. Esto debería provocar un diálogo entre las religiones. No debemos dejar de orar por él y colaborar con quienes piensan distinto.

Confío en Buda. So she's saying and I think this is gonna mess it up again. She's saying I have confidence in Buddha.

Yep, I knew it. La mayor parte de los habitantes del planeta se declaran crecientes. Creo en Dios.

Jewish Catholic.

Muchos.

Many things differently feel differently.

Seem to.

Boca Nadia. Seeking God or meeting God in a different way in this crowd in this range of religion. The religion is there is only one certainty. We have what's the certainty?

Todos somos.

Children of God. What? We are all children of God. Now this is something that Pope Francis says over and over and over again. We're all children of God. That's not what the Bible teaches. We're made in the image of God.

We are God's creatures. But Jesus said to the Jews.

You.

You're not God's children. You're not God's sheep. I'm the only Way to be a son or daughter of God according to the Christian message. The Bible is by faith in Jesus Christ. The Pope does not believe that.

The Pope does not believe that. We're all children of God. We all just have different ways of experiencing him. That's what you're seeing here. And it did it again, and I'm just not even gonna fight with it.

This.

Kind of Acute. Well, you know, I am gonna fight with it.

No, my short part is a little savvy. Tante's del planeta say clarin Christian de diversa manera in esta multitudinous. Hay una sola certeza que tenemos para todo. Todos somos hijos.

De un el amor. I believe in love. I believe in love. I believe in love. I believe in love now. I use the spacebar there and if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. How do you define love. Do you define love in the same way in Islam as you do in Christianity?

How about in Buddhism? You might say well in Judaism. Well depends on what form Judaism, but the Full Demonstration of God's love is found in Jesus Christ in a way. That's not found in Judaism not found in Islam.

And not found in Buddhism or Hinduism. Might as well throw an atheist in here the fun of it. You have to be able to define what love is. But if you start with the assumption we already had that foundation.

You're not gonna go there. Let's see what happens here. Nope. It's spacebar. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom, man. I just I don't even. Huh. Yeah, it's possible. This is chrome. This is chrome. All right, so that's gonna make some of this tough because I have three different videos.

They're all in Twitter and so.

I'm. If her eyes are upon you your salvation is assured.

All right, so we we have that kind of. That's probably gonna mess it up. I've tried. I've tried all. I'll try tapping on the screen. I've tried that thing. I've tried the spacebar. I've tried it all.

Pope Francis, Marxism, and Universalism

So.

What's weird today is You have the Pope Doing his ecumenical wishy-washy Universalistic inclusivistic Stuff that Would again. It's funny. I've said this. I don't know how many times now. I've not had a single Roman Catholic even step up to.

Try to argue it the perspectives represented by Pope Francis today. If he had held to them publicly in 1600 in Rome would have had him burnt By the Roman Catholic Church and people run off while you burn people.

That's not we're talking about. That's not the point. The point is he is not a valid or trustworthy Representative of Roman Catholic tradition in any form and there are many Roman Catholics who are sitting there going don't argue with him.

He's right. He's right. They know it. Many of you do know it. So you've got that wishy-washy stuff going on and then you've got guys like this and.

The.

Marian stuff that you can find online. Right now it's always been there. It's just social media makes it so much easier to find and Protestia has been doing a very good job. I Spend their days doing but it's got to be Cruising the net constantly.

They track this stuff down it's always been there all you got to do. I've held the book up before. I don't think it's in here called the glories of Mary. I've read to you from it. It's very old so it's been around.

Marian Devotion, Dogmas, and the State of Grace

But most of us who are not former Roman Catholics struggle a little bit to realize that there are actually people who believe this and Who practice religion in this fashion? But here is Virgin most powerful radio.

Wow. I just noticed that Virgin most powerful radio as soon as I hit the spacebar. I'll have to redo this.

I have a feeling but let's see what happens. If her eyes are upon you your salvation is assured. Now I think what that means it means if she turns her gaze from you you're toast. So when does she do that?

Well, it's very simple. One of the things I've learned a lot about Our Lady and this whole thing is that she is absolutely consumed entirely with God. She loves us but for his sake she loves us under the aspect of God.

She and so that love that she has for him is so self-consuming. That when we're in this state of grace and God is indwelling in our souls. She wants to look upon our souls. The minute it's gone. She doesn't want to look at it.

That's what that basically means. Okay, so back up to this so because we want to talk a little bit about Our Lady as a warrior. So obviously she's kind of like the nuclear bomb of heaven, right? So she just shows up and it's over.

If her eyes are upon you your salvation is assured.

Okay, it just restarted there. So that's if you're confused. So many things to catch here for most Non-former Roman Catholics. If you're not a former Roman Catholic you didn't come out of this.

It's.

Really hard to believe that people believe this the centrality of Mary. That Mary is the central Object of devotion. Veneration and you can sit there until the cows come home saying there's a difference between lottery and dulya between veneration worship.

There isn't. There isn't. Um when when you know here here's a oh I can't bring it over here because this is still Maximized. Here is a Yeah, okay. This is I think today. I Think this is today. Guy named Eric Sammons that I've seen a number of times on Twitter.

Catholics pray to Our Lady and ask her intercession. For the conversion of all those here on X who malign her. I Believe the devil's behind this renewed attack upon her, but we know she is the one who crushes his head.

Our Lady Queen of Heaven pray for sinners. So who's who brings about conversion?

Mary.

Mary. In Roman Catholic theology, she is the neck that turns the head of grace. All grace that comes mankind comes to Mary. This has been taught by Popes for quite some time and This is how it ends up working out.

For people I had yeah, okay here it is. Here is Taylor Marshall and I this may have been today as well. If you deny any of these four dogmas you are a heretic and anathema. Mary is the human mother of God the Son.

That's the only one with a biblical reference. Number two. Mary is ever virgin. She and Joseph never had relations or children. She also experienced zero pain and giving birth Jesus Christ. Second Council of Constantinople 85 to 3 at the Lateran Synod of 86 49.

Now are these by the way ecumenical and infallible they can't tell you. Did anybody at the time know their ecumenic? Nope can't tell you don't know. Number three. Mary is sinless. Because Jesus perfectly sanctified her at the moment of her conception.

She never sinned. Council of Trent. For Mary's body was resurrected glorified and taken in heaven and seated at the right hand of Jesus Christ. All Eastern and Western liturgies. And Munmun munificent.

Munificent is most deus. So that's a wonderful term in 1950 that of course the dogmatic definition of the bodily assumption Mary 1950. That was only 74 years ago. I Wonder if there's gonna be a big old Brouhaha next year's big old celebration 75th year and all that goes.

So here you have the various Marian dogmas. Mary as Theotokos and Again, the ottokos mother of God means God bearer. That was originally a Christological title had nothing to do with Mary it had to do with Jesus.

That he had was not adopted into deity or something like that. That of course has been radically altered and changed over time and be turned into something completely different. Ever Virgin Perpetual Virginia Mary we've debated that one a number of times.

May have to do it again but at least with that one you have clear biblical evidence and It gives you a great insight into Just how far Rome will go to twist? Clear scripture to come up with the opposite of what clear scripture teaches and.

And you can sit there and yell, but Jerome in. Funny thing is you don't even have Helvidius's writings and the vast majority of you have not read Jerome's response to Helvidius. I bet I bet you if Half a percent Of Roman Catholics has actually read what Jerome wrote.

I'd be stunned. Vast majority have not and of course even higher percentage of non Catholics haven't read it either. Um, but it's not sound argumentation at all at all. Then you have immaculate conception.

At least seven different Popes taught contrary to that numerous early church fathers thought that Mary sinned. This is one of those many many examples where Rome demonstrates that they don't give a flying leap.

About either the Bible or church history or tradition when it comes to defining Marian beliefs. Because It doesn't come from the Apostles doesn't come from Scripture and. Then of course bodily assumption utterly disconnected.

Member first debate with Jerry Matta ticks Long Island. Um, anybody in the second century anybody in the search engine, mr. White. I Don't have to show you that everybody in early church believe these things.

Jerry. I'll take just one laughter everywhere. Because there isn't anything now. What you end up illustrating with this stuff? I'm gonna take this down when you end up which end of illustrators and stuff is there are Marian devotees and Catholic apologists who will Ravage any.

Fair honest meaningful.

Historiography.

Historical research. They will find anything any word that they can read entire dogmas into From anybody in the early church and they will cram everything about Mary into any word. They say it is such a demonstration.

Not only of their utter imbalance but the utter a historical nature of the entire Marian system. That's so plainly and so clearly Evolved over many centuries and that the pinnacle of these Marian dogmas You might say Hasn't even been defined yet people thought there was a lot of speculation in 1999.

Maybe John Paul the second would define the fifth Marian dogma the Mary's core identics co-media tricks of Christ. He didn't it's been taught as doctrine By Popes for 150 years more. But wasn't dogmatized but these.

You know the Latin Immaculate Conception bodily assumption and that. No semi honest person. Who knows anything about history? Can look you in the eye and say yes, that is clearly what was being taught in your literature because it wasn't.

It wasn't you have to absolutely twist people's words inside and out to come up with this stuff. That tells you a lot about What Rome has defined on the basis of tradition. So when when Protestia and other people post These videos a lot of us sit here going.

What. Because it's just it's so far outside of our experience when we when we go when when I as a Pastor go to the hospital which these days instead of visiting others has been pretty much just for me, but It's been fun.

But when I go to visit people in a hospital that have just gone through a horrible loss or I've just gotten a Terrible prognosis or whatever else it might be. Mary's the last person our mind. Because if you're going to open the scriptures to someone.

The scriptures know nothing of Mary having anything to do with anything. No, she's not the woman in Revelation 12 even early church didn't believe that. That's absurd. That's again twisting the scriptures.

Mary passes from the scene brief mention only in regards to Jesus born of woman. She's not revelation. She's not a part of the worship of the church. She's not being prayed to. She's not intervening. She's not the neck that moves the head of grace.

None of this stuff is Found anywhere in Scripture and as a pastor. With the sheep of Christ. They want to hear the voice of Christ. And so I'm opening scripture to them. Um, we are going in prayer by the Holy Spirit directly to the throne of grace where Jesus Christ intercedes for his people and Represents us in the very presence of the Father.

I'm not going through intermediaries. I'm not going through saints or angels. The biblical picture the biblical presentation that taught by the Apostles is Very very different than what you have in Roman Catholicism.