January 11, 2024 Show with Ernie Zarra on “Understanding Radicalism”

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01:27: This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Thursday on this 11th day of January 2024.
01:36: I'm absolutely thrilled to have on the program a returning guest, and he is a very important guest to which you should pay serious attention.
01:50: His name is Dr. Ernie J. Zara III, and we are going to be discussing his new book,
01:59: Understanding Radicalism, how it affects what's happening in education and its impact on students.
02:06: Dr. Zara is an education consultant. He's a member of the National Association of Scholars and the author of numerous books, including the book we are addressing today.
02:17: It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Ernie Zara. Thank you,
02:25: Chris. What a pleasure to be back with you again. I see that it wasn't too frightening the last time, so a return visit is wonderful on my end.
02:35: And thank you so much for opening the door to this topic. It's very important, very critical to address and discuss this issue during these current times.
02:43: We live in very precarious times, and I'm anxious to talk about those times with you today. Amen. And let me set the stage here by describing your book,
02:55: Understanding Radicalism, how it affects what's happening in education and students, overall examines and explores the ever -growing trend to use education outside groups and social media as agencies of indoctrination and moral suasion to capture the imaginations, thus prompting students to question their own racial and gender identities.
03:22: Let me read some of the powerful endorsements that you have received.
03:28: First of all, Wes Carpenter, who's a friend of mine, author of Woke Religion, Unmasking the
03:33: False Gospel of Social Justice. He says that your book is a well -known, well, he says about your book, it is a well -known fact that public education in America has been sowing the seeds of secularization for over half a century.
03:48: In recent years, the intolerant fruit of radical progressive ideologies is being reaped in public schools.
03:56: Unsurprisingly, this has led to many who hold to traditional Christian values to homeschool and private education.
04:04: Dr. Zara brilliantly exposes the harmful secular indoctrination and woke ideology that is radicalizing public schools and grooming children across America.
04:14: This impressive work underscores the desperate need for truth in education. Dr. Zara rightly appeals to wisdom in the pages of this book to address the challenges.
04:26: It is a fight that requires us to heed the warning of scripture that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
04:41: A quote from Colossians chapter 2, verse 8. This is a battle for the young people in America, and I dare say a battle for the souls of this generation that is worth fighting.
04:50: I'm grateful to have this tremendous resource. Also, my dear friend Stephen Schultz, headmaster of Grace Christian Academy of Long Island in Merrick, New York, who has invited my guest to speak at their next annual fundraising gala for Grace Christian Academy in Long Island.
05:11: It's going to be held at the Coral House, and we'll give you more details on that at the Coral House in Baldwin, Long Island. Dr.
05:17: Zara's book, Understanding Radicalism and its message needs to be disseminated from the rooftops.
05:27: The landscape of American academia has certainly been decaying for quite some time now, but it has accelerated in recent years due to movements that certainly do not have the intellect of our youths as their highest concern.
05:40: As a leader in education who is regularly making efforts to convince parents of the horrific content and strategies of progressive education, this book provides me with the lexicon necessary to effectively communicate its particulars and support my claims with extensive citation.
05:59: Dr. Zara's book will serve me as an encyclopedia, dictionary, expose, and training manual when engaging both skeptics and opponents in this ongoing academic battle.
06:13: My dear friend, Dr. Joel R. Beeke, president of Puritan Reform Theological Seminary in Grand Rapids, Michigan, who is also my next
06:21: Iron Sherpa's Iron Radio pastor's luncheon speaker this June the 6th in Perry County, Pennsylvania, and I'll be announcing that later as well.
06:32: But Dr. Beeke says, understanding radicalism is a sober warning that many educational institutions today work to radicalize students to overthrow the foundations of Western society.
06:43: Dr. Zara rightly argues that a generation is being trained to blindly and zealously follow an ideology that can only be described as divisive and destructive.
06:52: This is a wake -up call to parents, civic leaders, and all citizens who care for the future of our nation.
06:59: And finally, my friend Kirk Wellum, who is the principal at Toronto Baptist Seminary.
07:07: Dr. Zara articulates the concerns of many Christians not only in the United States but throughout the
07:13: Western world. In different ways, this book demonstrates that spiritually we live in a
07:20: Romans 1 world which is determined to go its own way. His work should be a call above all else to prayer and informed gospel resistance to those by those who want to see
07:33: God glorified and human beings flourish in all areas of their lives. Well, those are very powerful words by some people whose words should be taken seriously.
07:46: And Dr. Zara, what is some of the things that you would like to address today that you detail in your book that many parents may be still, even at this point, oblivious to or they might not have the depth of knowledge and awareness that they should have about these things because they're sending their children to government schools and they are being kept in the dark, perhaps even by the teachers themselves specifically and purposefully, about some of this.
08:26: That's correct, Chris. Yeah, and thank you so much for reading those wonderful endorsements.
08:32: I was so blessed to read those and to find out that they're connecting with the larger population of the
08:39: Christendom and from all different perspectives, education in the pastoral and seminary areas.
08:47: I think it's just so marvelous. So thank you for reading those, Chris. I'm blessed. Well, I think, you know, to begin with, we need to take a look at, you know, what is indoctrination, first of all, because if parents think something's happening, we take a look at the word indoctrination in a moment.
09:02: When parents think something's happening and they can't pinpoint exactly what it is, well, there has to be some kind of terminology, you know, hiccup possibly there in the mix because most parents don't know the difference between when their children memorize
09:19: Bible verses at church, indoctrination, and when they're getting things at school.
09:25: They just know it doesn't feel the same way. So let me give you the definition, a couple definitions here of indoctrination.
09:32: To imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle.
09:40: And there's nothing wrong with that. We send our children to Christian schools, classical Christian schools. We homeschool our kids.
09:46: We send them to public schools. They're getting partisan, sectarian opinions, points of views, and principles in all of those.
09:53: Okay. The question is which of those is hurtful, which of those is helpful. Secondly, if you teach someone to fully accept only ideas, opinions, beliefs of a particular group, now we're getting down to the nitty -gritty, okay, of indoctrination where we find in Christian schools the ability for children to question their belief, to question the denominational differences, to question what they've heard in the world and compared to the gospel.
10:22: That's very different than what public schools will do in teaching someone to fully accept only the ideas, opinions, and beliefs of a particular group, not allowing the critical thinking to happen, which is the third point.
10:35: If you're not taught to teach a person or a group to accept how to think through a set of beliefs, then you're being indoctrinated.
10:43: So where parents are feeling that contrast, that rub between, you know,
10:48: I get with you at church and at home and at school, if something feels off here,
10:54: I don't know what's happening with my child, well, understand that there's something being imbued, a doctrine that is being passed on into the minds of the children which are not allowed to think critically and question that at school.
11:11: So first of all, I want to talk about the indoctrination. That's very important to get out there. I also would like to say that my book analyzes the major tenets of this movement today to radicalize students, which we'll get into in a little bit.
11:23: So for example, one of them includes that science must yield to emotions, which is how people can say
11:33: I'm a man when you're a woman because I feel very different. Again, there's something feeling going on here that leads to the truth today over the facts of science.
11:45: If you allow children to question those in a classroom, the risk of the person submitting the emotional argument over the facts of science is at risk for sure.
11:58: The risk is that that person will look embarrassed. The person will look like they don't know what they're talking about. So you cannot allow children to question it.
12:05: And if you do, then they have labels for you. And then if you do that, you have to have an assembly or have a group come in to straighten out the classroom.
12:13: What you get then is additional indoctrination to break down the critical thinking that they're seeing to object to what's happening.
12:23: And another tenet is that the cancellation of people who disagree and the punishment, if you dissent, is named, is called or termed the protection of democracy.
12:39: So if you say that you are not practicing
12:44: Americanism, if you dissent with someone's opinion and feelings, then the students don't know where to go with this.
12:52: So what I'd like to talk about is a little bit of that too as I go through this. But it's quite important to take a look at, first of all, what is indoctrination?
13:00: And secondly, some of those major tenets that come out of the radical movement in schools today and why students are being confused and where they're going, where they're being led, how they're being taught.
13:12: And, in fact, there's a lot we could talk about in rabbit trails here. So I'm going to try to keep it to the
13:19: Q &A time here that you and I have together. But I want to make sure we understand, too, that the very first radical, the very first rebel, the very first sinner, the very first liar, the very first deceiver was
13:31: Lucifer. He set in motion all the things that we have today that are moving toward the end times or last days or whatever you want to call it, where we have what
13:43: I believe doctrines of demons being taught, emerging in our culture and coming from the ivory towers, from the minds of men and women into our schools and our children.
13:55: And the younger the grade, the more they're captured. So what I see here is a definite spiritual battle taking place, not just an educational battle for the minds of children.
14:06: This is not just a mental illness we're talking about here on some of the cases of these teachers in classrooms.
14:11: This is a spiritual, spiritual deprivation and sickness that's happening. And my goodness, here's a call for the church.
14:20: All what I just said is probably scary for some folks, and I understand that. But the church had better be ready to pick up the pieces of a culture gone bad when they realize and they're left in the lurch and they're decimated by the choices they've made and the lifestyles they've lived.
14:38: The church had better be there with the love of Christ and the gospel to pick people up and get them restored in a relationship with Jesus Christ.
14:47: I'm telling you, Chris, this is not just in public schools and the churches, too. And I'll leave it at that.
14:53: I'll let you ask me another question. Well, I want you to get more in detail with specifics about how children are being indoctrinated.
15:03: And you can even be specific about the grades with which or in which this is happening, age groups and so on.
15:14: I'm assuming from what you've said, this is running the entire spectrum of education, starting even with kindergarten.
15:23: And it really is just this week. I think it was the third or fourth or fifth or something.
15:32: But just this week, the information was distributed on news channels and in newspapers and online.
15:39: That's a teacher in Mar Vista School District, the Highline School District here just south of Seattle, decided that during the school year, right after the break, that this teacher would no longer be known as Miss Angela.
15:56: He would be Mr. Angel. Come back as a man. Declare that he and him are the pronouns.
16:05: Dress like a man and say that I want you to understand now that I transition.
16:11: We're in the middle of the year and send a note home to parents and sent an opt out.
16:17: I'm sorry, I sent a non opt out letter to parents that they did not allow the parents to miss the sex ed or the indoctrination training as to why gender theory is important.
16:30: And why is transition is important for the school and community and wanted the support. They read books to validate that in the classroom.
16:38: This is a fourth grade classroom we're talking about here in the south of Seattle. And that's not just unique here. I mean, we have these things happening all over the country.
16:47: So the point here is, here's how you know this person is an activist and a radical. He could have waited or she could have waited to the end of the school year to do this.
16:57: Why mid year? Well, because standing up mid year gets a lot of attention and allows students now to come out and say, you know,
17:06: I feel the same way. I may be a girl. I may be a boy, whatever. And then move forward toward that. There are students who hear testimonials from teachers and testimonials from LGBTQ groups that come into the classroom.
17:21: And they talk about how they did the transition part or how they discovered they were this sexuality or whatever.
17:28: And afterwards, students go up to the principals and say, you know, I like to declare that I'm this or that.
17:33: I want to come out as this or that or he or she. And so what we're having here is the indoctrination occurring, but the activism is making disciples of the indoctrinators.
17:45: And isn't that what testimonies do for the Christian faith as well? The parallel here is when you share your faith and the radical change in your life and Jesus Christ, others hear that.
17:58: And that may be quite attractive for them to step out and say, I'd like that same relationship you have. So the same thing that we have on the
18:05: Christian side, the angel of light is doing on the other side. And it's the most spiritual.
18:13: In my estimation, the most spiritual battles. And when you find your true self on the gender spectrum or your true self sexually in a school as a fourth grader, something's awry.
18:25: You're just not ready to make that declaration. Something has convinced the child and that's indoctrination.
18:32: And then the validation by bringing in textbooks or guest speakers and in the community and the principal and other teachers are validating it.
18:42: So therefore, the students go along with it as if it's part of their education. But I've got news for parents.
18:48: Indoctrination is not education. I want to say that again. Indoctrination is not education.
18:56: But that's what the public schools and not everyone. OK, Chris, I'm not I don't want to indict every single public school teacher, every public school out there.
19:04: But what I'm saying here is as a general rule, you're being indoctrinated. You're not being educated.
19:11: You're being pressed toward an activist role somewhere, somehow for someone's opinion and not allowed to criticize it.
19:18: So that's something as an example, you know, from fourth grade. We have books being read all the way down to the kindergarten level.
19:27: They're showing pictures and they're showing, you know, very, very graphic, detailed images of sexuality and sexual practices and discussing things in terms that you probably would have, you know, 25 years ago.
19:43: Got your face left by your mom or dad if you mentioned some of those. But something's changed.
19:49: Something's very changed. I began to notice these changes in ideology in the classroom.
19:56: I worked with Gen Z and I worked with Gen Z teaching them in teacher education programs.
20:03: And I began to notice that the students came with an idea that school was a place to be an activist and not an educator.
20:09: By the way, can you remind me of what age group Gen Z is? Because all that jargon is new to me.
20:15: I always forget. I always get them mixed up. Sure. If you are, oh, let's say you're in the, if you're in your 20s and you are somewhere, anywhere between, let's say, eight and 20 in that range.
20:29: I mean, it's not exact. They overlap also with others, with another generation. But, you know, but eight to 20,
20:37: I mean, and the 25 year olds are Gen Z as well. They've come out of the Gen Z age.
20:43: So what's going on now is we have teachers in classrooms who are in their early to mid 20s. OK, and these are
20:49: Gen Z folks coming out of the ivory tower, teacher training institutions who have been socially radicalized in terms of social justice programs,
20:57: DEI programs, racial and anti -racist programs, sex and gender spectrum programs.
21:05: And their sociology, anthropology and psychology classes are all about those things, including trauma informed destruction, where, you know, people come to classrooms with with certain trauma from home.
21:17: And we have to understand that some of the trauma is because they're coming out as something other than what they were born as.
21:23: So, you know, that age group has a lot of particular problems. And the millennials and Gen Z are called the therapy generation for a reason.
21:32: And there's a lot of anti -social behavior within the group. They're number one, you know, in terms of social media use and influencers in that respect.
21:45: So if you have a child today in public school, consider the child Gen Z. Now, Gen Zoomers, you know, there's another generation coming right after that.
21:56: But I would consider any child in school today, elementary, junior high, high school or college. I would consider them part of the
22:01: Gen Z overlap. But, you know, there's something taking place today in that generation that is very concerning to me.
22:09: As I said before, I work with teachers and training them. I noticed that they became more attuned to who they were as people in their identity than they were as being selfless as teachers.
22:22: You know, my generation was taught, teach yourself silly, burn out every day, go home and fill your battery back up and come back the next day and do it again.
22:32: Well, these folks today are more in line with wanting to influence behaviors and changes and connect emotionally through content than they are connect cognitively through that content.
22:46: And so there's the emotional, deep emotional connection and the social emotional learning programs that are that are rampant in schools have something to do with that as well.
22:56: If you teach to the emotion, don't be surprised you get what you teach to. And so when students are online, let's say, and they're connecting with social influencers, there's a reason they're connecting.
23:07: There's something that that's an emotional connection with them. And so it's so easy today to go online to find somebody like me and a group like I went along to and feel like I'm validated.
23:19: Social media has made that exchange of my identity from one to the other just as quick as I can say
23:25: I am this now. So when we have this Gen Z issue, the overarching element for them is basically shattering the values of the past.
23:38: Let's put it that way. There's a new reality that identifies an American brings with it accusations of this or microaggressions of that.
23:46: So I don't want to be an American. I want to be identified by my own identity individually.
23:52: There's no more of the corporate business. And then we're all Americans. No, no, I'm this hyphenated
23:58: American. I'm a gay American. I'm a lesbian American. I'm a transgender, you know,
24:04: American. There are no even add the word American anymore. They're just I am I am trans.
24:10: It's almost as if the entire universe is now part of the soul of the individual.
24:16: And each universe is so owned and possessed by the individual that anybody who steps on that is committing a heinous crime toward that person.
24:26: This is why they react the way they do. You stepped on their complete identity. And so questioning it brings a lot of things and a lot of concern to the individual.
24:38: But why is it important to understand radicalism? Well, because radicalism affects your personal identity.
24:45: And just right away. Who are you as a Christian? Let's say because there are many Christians are battling with this as well.
24:51: Chris, they're battling who they are in Christ. Now, if you are in Christ, you're a new creature.
24:58: All things have passed away. If you allow your choice of your own creation to sit next to Christ who claims you're a new creature in him, then you've got a problem with two people on the throne of your life.
25:14: You and Jesus. That's not a compatible relationship for a Christian. That is not
25:20: Christianity. That is putting yourself as an idol next to Jesus who claims you as his own.
25:29: But if you claim that you didn't, that he made a mistake in creating you the way you were created. And in the classroom you hear, you know, you can be a boy or a girl or you can dress any way you want because there's a spectrum.
25:41: And when people looked at you at birth and said you were this or that, they made a mistake or maybe they guessed.
25:47: So it's not really something that's in stone that was assigned to you at birth. Well, you know, when
25:52: I became a Christian, I wasn't just assigned to the title of Christian. I was given the
25:58: Holy Spirit. I mean, God trusted and trusted himself into my spirit.
26:04: Maybe born again, new creature in Christ. If I don't see a new creature in Christ, then
26:12: I can question whether or not I truly am. Here's where it gets sticky for a believer.
26:18: If you think you're a new creature in Christ and that also means you can choose your new identity because you're a new creature in Christ, you're confused about the gospel.
26:27: Here's where I say the church has some serious work to do. In Christian schools, we have to do the work.
26:34: In public schools, you have to do the work because those students come to church on Sunday with their families and they're sitting there.
26:40: They have the message of the public school indoctrination in them, and we're not dealing with that from the pulpit.
26:46: So the process of radicalization can be done, but in order to radicalize, you have to have a radical first.
26:55: In order to indoctrinate, you have to have an indoctrinator. So there can be no radicals without indoctrination. When it comes to radicals in education, we find most often the rhetoric that they use pertains to changing the views of children or bringing about social activism, and they refer to it as education, which it's not.
27:15: A true educational radical wants to improve the system of education to produce better educated critical thinkers that are more literate.
27:23: The bottom line is what you train for, Chris, you're going to get. So don't be surprised when that's the turnout of low test scores, but equity based high graduation rates.
27:35: And I'll just leave it at that for the next question. Well, actually, we're going to our first commercial break right now, and I'll ask you a question when we return.
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37:44: Ernie Zara, and we are discussing his latest book, which is a book that should be in the hands of every parent and educator in the
37:56: United States, Understanding Radicalism, How It Affects What's Happening in Education and Its Impact on Students.
38:03: And also I want to take this opportunity to announce, as I hinted at earlier,
38:10: Dr. Zara is the keynote speaker at the next GALA fundraising event in Baldwin, Long Island at the
38:20: Coral House Catering Hall, which has a lot of fond memories conjure up in my mind when
38:29: I think of the Coral House, because that's where I began the annual great debate series with Dr.
38:35: James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries and Roman Catholic apologists. We had them there for the initial three or four,
38:46: I think, of the debates, and then we outgrew the facility and moved on to other venues.
38:53: But it's going to be interesting because I haven't been in the Coral House since those debates that started in the 1990s.
39:03: But my friend Steve Schultz, who I mentioned before, he's the headmaster of Grace Christian Academy of Long Island in Merrick, New York, which is a
39:10: Christian school, a classical Christian school operated by the church where I was formerly a member before I moved to Pennsylvania, Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick.
39:21: And this GALA event is going to be held on Saturday, March 16th, as I said, at the
39:29: Coral House Catering Hall in Baldwin. And can you tell us, have you have you nailed down a specific topic you're going to be addressing?
39:39: I know it's going to be on the general theme of your book, but are you going to be more specific in your presentation at the
39:46: Coral House that night? Yes, in fact, Steve and I have talked about this and we're nailing it down now, where I'll fly in and I'll spend some time in the
39:56: Christian school as well as do the keynote address and then maybe Sunday school on Sunday morning right back out here to Washington state.
40:05: So I'm looking at the overall theme here and I'm doing a lot of research in this area now of cultural voices and Christian choices.
40:16: Oh, great. And if anybody wants to attend that fundraising
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40:45: And once again, the date of this fundraising GALA is Saturday, March 16th.
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40:59: And guess what, folks? I am the emcee for the evening. Once again, they must have amnesia because they forgot about the nightmare that occurred the last time
41:11: I was the emcee. And I'm just kidding. But I was the emcee for their last fundraising
41:19: GALA as well. When Pete Hegseth of Fox News was the keynote speaker.
41:26: And I highly recommend you listen to the archived recording of my interview with Pete Hegseth on the collapse of the
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41:48: But going back to something you said earlier in the beginning of the program, you said that this problem of indoctrination in a negative way, of course, when it comes to the corrupt immorality and Marxist worldview and all these other things.
42:16: You were saying that this is not exclusively an issue in the government schools, more commonly called public schools here in the
42:25: United States. Anyway, the one of the reasons that rang as true, even as shocking as that is to hear that I had a number of interviews with a woman.
42:39: Another guest that my listeners should look up on the archive, Audrey Werner.
42:46: Audrey Werner is an expert on sex education because she was actually involved in it as an educator for a number of years until she realized how this was dangerous and damaging the minds of the young.
43:08: And she is also a part of a documentary that I recommend highly called
43:15: The Mind Polluters, a documentary exposing the dark realities of the intentional grooming of children into a worldview at odds with the
43:24: Christian faith, rampant with sexuality, homosexuality, transgenderism, normalized through the use of pornographic and pedophilic material.
43:34: But Audrey said, which at the time, because this is the first time
43:40: I've heard this, it really shocked me that even some conservative
43:46: Christian schools, and I'm not going to mention the denomination because I don't know if they have changed since then, since we had our conversation last, but conservative, more mainline denomination schools, and they have actually incorporated the writings and the ideology of Alfred Kinsey in their sex education programs.
44:21: And Alfred Kinsey, a notorious pervert involved in all kinds of sexual depravity and his experiments even included pedophilia.
44:36: But if you could add on to what I just said,
44:41: I mean, you had mentioned that this is not exclusively a problem in the government schools. So tell us about that.
44:48: Right, right. Well, there are two elements to consider here. The bottom up and the top down.
44:53: Let's go to the bottom up first. to Christian colleges or Christian schools from the public sector or bringing with them all of that baggage that they have right from the public sector and from living in the public culture, if you will, and now are going to be expected to have a different mindset or a different type of cultural, you know, debate in their minds.
45:18: And probably that's the first time that's going to happen with them. So you have a group of people coming in that are affecting the bottom right going in to the school.
45:26: And so when you have a mission statement or a vision statement that says you want to reach those students maybe that are lost or just that are just new
45:36: Christians and you have this coming into the school. Well, the thing that you do is you begin to shift now from the top a little bit and you begin to rethink, you know, how strict and how tight we are on some of our policies here and beliefs because we're mission oriented as a school.
45:55: So what all that's to say, you have to watch how your mission changes when you have a demographical change, if you will, in the schooling.
46:04: So that's the first thing. The second thing is at the college level and the high school level, of course, you have teachers being trained, professors being trained, who are who call themselves from,
46:19: I don't know, let's say a professor of English who's a Christian, a professor of anthropology who's a believer rather than a
46:29: Christian English professor. And I think I draw a great distinction between the two of those because you're trained in a secular side and you take a job at a
46:39: Christian college or a Christian school. You're also bringing all that training with you and all the indoctrination and all the things that you know to the classroom.
46:46: So you're going to be seeing the very things. Now you've got a contrast. You have a conflict more so between what you've learned and how you're supposed to deliver that in the schools.
46:57: So now whether it's bottom up or top down, if you have a teacher that comes in to a
47:03: Christian school and students that are in the Christian school have the same type of mindset or the same type of ideological perspective on something, they're going to have a natural affinity toward that.
47:14: They're going to be grouped together. And that teacher will begin teaching, you know, to connect with those students rather than the other students necessarily.
47:24: I've seen it happen. So what you get then is that grooming that you talked about. The grooming of ideology takes place before the grooming of anything else takes place.
47:35: So if you get me and I get you and we're on the same team together and we're becoming closer and closer because I understand you, you understand me.
47:42: We spend more time together and I'm mentoring you. The grooming begins to take shape in the relationship and you don't necessarily see it as grooming at the time.
47:51: But then things change for the worse. And I have written several books on topics of teacher -student relationships and how they cross over the emotional, physical and emotional and spiritual boundaries and how to guard against all that.
48:06: But what you have then is the grooming that takes place not just sexually, Chris, but also takes place in terms of ideology.
48:14: Why do you think young children support LGBTQ? Not even having known about that, they come out and say that I'm supportive of my friend who is this or that.
48:26: Where does that come from? Where do you just suddenly get a child coming home one day and say to his parents,
48:32: I'm this? Well, it's because of the ideological grooming that takes place. And again, sex education that Werner is talking about in her book and her experiences, sex education is not sex education.
48:47: It's sex indoctrination. There's where they want you to think that indoctrination is education and I argued earlier.
48:56: In a sense, I argued, but I was real positive by saying that indoctrination is not education.
49:03: They have to be separated. Education is grade level appropriate. Indoctrination is activist oriented.
49:10: Education is critical thinking to question why this is that way. Why is it not that way?
49:16: Indoctrination does not allow those things. Sex education basically enables at a grade level children to understand their own development as human beings.
49:30: Not outside their level of understanding, but indoctrination forces down on you greater knowledge or larger volumes or images and graphics.
49:42: Things of that nature are students to expose them to things that are outside the range of their understanding both emotionally and spiritually and even physically.
49:50: So if you say sex education to me and I hear all of these different things about LGBTQ, homosexual lifestyles and how to wear condoms and how to come out as transgender, then you're indoctrinating children.
50:05: That's not educating them. You're exposing them to things and that's how the ideological grooming takes place that later produces that activist we're talking about.
50:17: It happens at all the grade levels. You've got the drag queen story hour. You have
50:24: GLSEN and GLAD coming to schools. I'm surprised NAMBLA hasn't made it into the classroom yet as a title of their group, although there are probably some
50:34: NAMBLA advocates that are in the class that are also part of GLSEN and GLAD.
50:39: Those are all gay and lesbian groups that are advocacy groups for children in schools.
50:45: So they're getting chances to groom ideologically. If you can visit child ideologically and then they go to a
50:55: Christian school. What do you think you're going to get in the classroom at a Christian school? If you get five or six students from public schools that come in, let's say as seventh graders, what type of education are you going to have to provide for them to undoctrinate or allow them to live in their doctrinated mindset in a
51:16: Christian school? Or will you change your Christian school mission to know that you're reaching those people and you want to love them more than correct them?
51:24: See, today, Gen Z is really not wanting to be corrected. They get offended.
51:31: They get easily hurt. So you have to be careful how you do the correction. Again, in a
51:37: Christian school, parents know what they're going to get. They sign covenants. They sign statements. They sign doctrinal statements.
51:43: Here's what you're going to get. You don't like it, you take your child out and go somewhere else. In public school, you don't have that luxury.
51:49: As I said earlier in the Mar Vista School for Mr. Angel and Miss Angela, there was no opt -out for the parents to hear about the sex education program that allows for transgenderism.
52:06: Okay? Now imagine a Christian school that said this. You come to our school, okay, and parents, you're not going to be able to opt out of anything we teach at all.
52:16: And the parents won't be able to take your child out if it's offensive. Now there are some Christian schools who teach transgenderism and anti -racism and DEI and are very, very anti -white.
52:30: And those are mainline denominational schools that have just pretty much sold out to the whole racial equity and anti -racist
52:38: Abraham Kennedy ideology. So you've got to be careful, right, where indoctrination is taking place.
52:46: You have to be careful where grooming is taking place. And you have to know, first of all, what is your ideology?
52:51: What is your Christian worldview? Because it comes down to, is my Christian worldview being compromised by where I'm putting my children?
52:59: And are they being groomed to another ideology that will walk away from our faith in the church eventually because they'll question it and then it was not allowed in the school to be questioned.
53:09: And they don't like to be questioned at home. So therefore, you know, they're pretty much saying,
53:16: I'm going to cash it in. By the way, we have to go to our midway break right now, but please don't forget where you left off and we'll pick up right where you left off when we return.
53:25: And please be patient with us, folks. This is the longer than normal break, but we will be back with Ernie Zara momentarily.
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01:13:00: Iron Sharpens Iron on the air. You're an amazing host, and the messaging is just incredibly solid and gospel -focused.
01:13:09: So thanks, Chris. Well, thank you. But I was saying earlier that I wanted to ask a question.
01:13:15: Do you think that we have any people today who are walking away from the faith because of the indoctrination that they experienced, the lack of the opportunity for them to ask questions for their worldview, and just simply not showing up anymore after making a confession or a statement of confession of becoming a believer?
01:13:41: It's a loaded question. It's an obvious question. The answer is yes. There are so many people that are claiming to deconstruct and do this and that.
01:13:52: Revaluation is a good thing. I mean I have no problem with revaluating where you're at as a believer. And then
01:13:57: Parr wrote a book about that just recently in his book, Alan Parr and Misled, which
01:14:03: I recommend if you haven't. There's a chapter on that in there. Also, Set Adrift by Sean McDowell is another good book on that topic.
01:14:12: But the question is that the people that are being indoctrinated at schools and colleges today, it's no wonder that they go away, and then they come home, and they go back to class, and they have vacation, and they come home.
01:14:26: And suddenly things begin to unwind for them in their faith walk. And so I asked the question, why does that happen?
01:14:34: Well, I think there's a lot of reasons for that. And one of them, of course, is they're being radicalized and indoctrinated at the place that they're involved in education.
01:14:44: And they bring that to church, and they see the disconnect between the gospel messaging or the teaching of the
01:14:50: Bible, and then they allow the criticism of those truths to set in in other locations.
01:14:56: And so they don't have a place to take that. You can't do it at the higher education level because you're not permitted to really critically stand up and think and speak out loud unless you're on the right side.
01:15:07: I mean, look at Harvard. Harvard just came under fire for all their anti -Semitic positions this past couple of weeks.
01:15:14: And 95%, 96 % of the people surveyed at Harvard are leftist or liberal.
01:15:20: Only 4 % to 5 % identify as conservative professors. So you've got that to work with here, and people wonder why they're walking away from the faith.
01:15:31: They weren't Christians to begin with. I think that's quite dismissive. I think you can be led astray.
01:15:37: I think you can be led down a pathway toward destruction. And it's pretty clear, you know.
01:15:43: James is pretty clear about this, and other passages of the scripture are pretty clear. We can walk to the edge with someone and save them from the fire.
01:15:50: I mean, we've got to be active in that. That's why I say that the fight against radicalization and indoctrination today has to come from the churches in so many ways, and the church schools, the
01:16:01: Christian schools, the classical Christian, the private Christian schools, the solid biblical schools that have a worldview that is in contrast to the secular worldview.
01:16:11: And not be afraid to stand up for that, as you are here on this program, standing up for the gospel fearlessly.
01:16:19: And I think it's important, very much so, to understand about five or six different biblical principles here,
01:16:25: Chris. And I think that taking the fight, again, to radicalization and indoctrination, how do you do that best?
01:16:32: And parents that are out there are wondering, here is a Christian parent, here is my child, or a kid goes to a
01:16:39: Christian university or college, comes back, and starts questioning their faith, or somehow now identifies as this or that, or is so anti -white because they've been sold a bill of goods about anti -racism, and how white is the original sin of all mankind.
01:16:56: There are some things here to fight against these things, and I think it's best accomplished with truth. First of all, 2
01:17:02: Corinthians 4 .4, the principle states, The God of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers.
01:17:10: Let that sink in, because as a worldview difference, there's a blindness that occurs with unbelievers that believers should not have.
01:17:21: So that the unbelievers cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
01:17:27: This is why we need to take the gospel into that darkness, not just retreat from it into our particular political or ideological safe spaces.
01:17:39: Secondly, John 14 .6, Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. If he's not the truth,
01:17:45: I don't think he's the life. If he's not the truth, I don't think he's the way. He has to be the truth.
01:17:52: I mean, he's the only way to the Father. It's a very exclusive message. There is no inclusion message here.
01:18:00: All can come. That's the inclusiveness. But you must admit, you must confess that the way to the
01:18:07: Father is through Jesus. That is exclusive. So we need to be warned about not being taken captive by an ideology and a view that's counter to that messaging.
01:18:15: In Colossians 2, as you mentioned earlier, in Christ all these things hold together. He created things.
01:18:22: He is the creator of the universe, participant in that with the Father. People are warned about deception, right?
01:18:29: And there are those who practice it. But we're not seeing that we're warning against the fact that they want to advance that deception and control people's minds.
01:18:41: I mean, Jesus said in Matthew 24, you've got to watch out for these false messiahs, right? There are people who are going to come in my name.
01:18:48: You've got to be careful. And so there are so many people coming in the names of truth today, your truth, my truth, that is very deceptive.
01:18:56: And that's why the identity movement is so pervasive. It's all about the individual and their own truth.
01:19:02: We're also cautioned not to be intoxicated on what may be new ideas in 1 Peter 5. I mean, we have a devil who's prowling around, right?
01:19:12: Prowling, looking for someone to devour. And we have to be careful. Can't be drunk on the newest fad or the newest ism or the newest church model or the latest
01:19:22: Christian music that I go to church for. We've got to be careful not to be intoxicated on the new things that come in culture.
01:19:29: Because new things need to be questioned through the Christian perspective like every other thing has to with every other culture that exists.
01:19:37: Next, I think we should be reminded to guard our hearts and minds. And that's our responsibility.
01:19:44: We just can't open our mind and be just so wide open to thoughts and ideas. But we need to take them captive and compare them to the truth of the scriptures.
01:19:52: 2 Corinthians 10, 4 and 5 are very clear about that. If we don't compare what we think is true with scriptural truth to get the contrast, then we're indoctrinated.
01:20:04: We are doing the same thing to ourselves that's been done to us in the classroom.
01:20:10: So we need to make sure that we take these thoughts captive to Christ and we take them and compare them to truth and do critical thinking work there.
01:20:20: And lastly, I think as a Christian, we're all warned not to be conformed to the world but to be transformed.
01:20:28: And how does that happen, Chris? It happens by renewing our minds. How do you renew your mind if you're indoctrinated?
01:20:37: You are not renewing your mind. You are being slanted and taught and you're being led to a position.
01:20:48: And the position you're being led to does not prove what the will of God is. It proves what the will of that indoctrinator is.
01:20:55: So therefore, we need to prove what the will of God is and which is good and acceptable and perfect according to Romans chapter 12.
01:21:01: So we can't be conformed to the world. We have to make sure that we take ideas captive compared to truth.
01:21:08: We cannot be intoxicated by new ideas. We have to be careful about deception and how people will use that to control other people's minds.
01:21:17: And we have to also be aware that ideologies are out there and ensnaring our very own people in the church.
01:21:28: And be mindful that we have to undo the snares. We have to let them challenge, you know.
01:21:34: We have to challenge those things. We have to question. We have to ask people, well, what do you think about this?
01:21:40: How did you come to that conclusion? How do you justify it with the scripture? How is your relationship with Jesus Christ if you are claiming that you have your own identity?
01:21:48: These are things, okay, that are occurring. And at any age, we have the God of the age blinding unbelievers.
01:21:54: When you're blind to the truth, all you have is yourself, and that is your truth.
01:22:01: And that's a very subjective thing where we have an exclusive, inclusionary message for those that will come.
01:22:08: But exclusive truth in John 14 .6. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.
01:22:14: That's the package. You want to come to the Father? Come through him. You're not going to find him through your own identity.
01:22:21: Well, we have some listener questions. We have Jillian in Glenhead, Long Island, New York, who says,
01:22:31: Isn't a part of the problem that some of this false way of thinking and worldview and ideology can seep into a
01:22:40: Christian school because the school may be hiring people who have been licensed and accredited from the public school systems and unconsciously importing things into the
01:22:53: Christian school that are of the world and not of God. And I'm assuming that the listener is speaking about more subtle things because your average evangelical
01:23:08: Christian school is not going to tolerate somebody who is teaching kids that they can pick their gender and that they can get hormone blockers and surgery and all the other kinds of insanity and satanic things that are more overtly deplorable and dangerous.
01:23:30: But there are more subtle things, aren't there, that could be crept in? Absolutely, yeah.
01:23:36: And again, what you train for, you're going, don't be surprised when that comes out in your teaching. I mean, that's the fallback.
01:23:42: That's all you know as a teacher who's been trained to teach. Those are the things and the methods and the different things that you've heard and the studies you've studied.
01:23:49: And those are the things that your ideology has picked up and now you're in the classroom. I will say this much. For the
01:23:54: Christian who begins at that point out of college and begins to see how his worldview as a
01:24:01: Christian should reshape what he or she has learned in college within the classroom and begins to change that paradigm, change those methodologies and instructional strategies, change the subtle kind of like covert things that are happening, maybe not even by choice, but have some people accountable that you can say, how am
01:24:23: I doing? Well, this person is a teacher who's been there a while can say, you know, I'm going to think about changing this and this.
01:24:29: This is just really not going to fit our Christian worldview or our biblical perspective here.
01:24:34: And so having that is really important. This is the reason why you should have buddied up and mentors at the
01:24:41: Christian schools today who are people who are maybe retired teachers who are Christians in the
01:24:47: Christian school movement for years who can see what's happening, the culture that's coming to the classroom and be able to say, oh, we need to correct this and this and this.
01:24:55: And here's why we need to do that. And allow the teacher to express, you know, this is what I learned in my teacher training.
01:25:01: And then the teacher can say, OK, but here's the biblical perspective on that. There's where you have your mentoring and your professional development right there on the school campus grounds.
01:25:11: And you're beginning to shape and disciple that new teacher so that the students aren't going to be affected by what only the teacher has received in his or her training.
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01:26:13: We have Stuart. And Stuart is located in a city that I may butcher the pronunciation.
01:26:25: Snohomish, Washington. S -N -O -H -O -M -I -S -H. By the way, you're in Washington, aren't you,
01:26:31: Ernie? Yes, I am. How do you pronounce that? Snohomish.
01:26:37: Okay, I was right. And the question is, can you be very detailed as far as things that are going on in the government schools that we may be totally oblivious to?
01:26:52: Yeah, we've been hearing a lot in the media, unless you are only watching the leftist mainstream media.
01:26:59: We've been hearing a lot about transgender things, transgender teachers, teachers instructing kids that they can choose their gender and be identified as such with the names that they choose.
01:27:19: But what else may be going on? Well, that opens up a large conversation.
01:27:29: I would really like for him to hit me up on Facebook or send me a friend request or check my website,
01:27:37: DrErnieZara .com. I post a lot of things that are happening in schools on a website as well as the
01:27:45: Education Grandpa. That's what I'm known as on another website where everything education goes on there.
01:27:51: So there's so much happening from, well, near Snohomish, Bellingham area,
01:27:57: Whatcom County, all the way down through Seattle, King County. It's a little bit much more liberal or much more leftist happening there.
01:28:04: What you have there is school boards and here's where I think you can really make a difference. The school boards are chock full of people on the left up in those areas.
01:28:14: And if you were to look at the school board minutes, you would find out what they're talking about each of the school board meetings or go to the meetings, listen in or even ask to speak at one of the meetings.
01:28:23: You can do that as well. But you're going to find out the trend in sex education. There's where I would think you want to start your sex education program for your school district.
01:28:33: They adopt it. They change it. They can modify it. The state of Washington, as you know, has required now for the whole state, public schools, sex education.
01:28:44: And it's kind of crude in some places. And I think that's the best place if you want to get fired up and make a change and bring that to the school board.
01:28:53: Ask them why they're doing the non -age appropriate sex education exposure rather than focusing on more mathematics and literature and science.
01:29:03: Why is it important to activate children's emotions and feelings about sexuality and gender and not do so about flowers and rabbits and science and mathematics and all of that?
01:29:19: So I would suggest to do that. But if you want really specifics, you can watch any – go online to any –
01:29:26: I don't know. Fox News would do some. MSNBC has some.
01:29:33: Any major network has articles. Don't just look at the title of the article or the link.
01:29:39: Click on it because in the article, it's probably not going to match what the article title is in a lot of cases. But I have a lot of different articles on my website and my blog.
01:29:48: I also have videos that I talked about some of these issues from past interviews with Chris and other hosts.
01:29:57: I also have the links to all the different things that are happening. A lot of Washington articles. I can point you to some
01:30:03: Facebook groups that are specifically Washington -oriented, everything from legislation that's coming out of Olympia for parents' rights.
01:30:14: The bill that would deal with children who make the claim that their parents don't understand them and so they can be placed in foster care.
01:30:24: All the little things that are happening like this and clinics on campus and on and on and on it can go. But if you want some information like that, hit me up.
01:30:31: I'd be happy to send you to those sites. You can link up and you can see everything we post every single day. Because it is really a cornucopia of issues here in Washington State.
01:30:42: And each school district is a bit different and we're fighting our own battles down here where I am in Pierce County.
01:30:48: So keep your eyes open and I would love to connect up with you. So hit me up, man. Let me ask you a question of my own that's related to that.
01:30:57: Are you aware of the data about how universal is it in the
01:31:05: United States where it appears to be legal for teachers to privately without the consent of parents, you know, get the proverbial ball rolling when it comes to changing.
01:31:25: So called changing the gender of a child or or even or even bringing a girl to Planned Parenthood for an abortion or any of those kinds of things.
01:31:39: I mean, are there states where those kinds of things are still illegal for a parent for for teachers to be involved in without the consent of the parents?
01:31:50: Yeah, I was just reading this morning 12 to 15. I think it's 12 to 15 states in that range where the transgender therapy has been banned.
01:31:59: We're not allowed to do the therapy part of that. The conversion therapy too has been banned in most states, but some states do allow the counseling and all of that.
01:32:09: So each state is different. In fact, each state is so different that each school district conservative or liberal will push the limits left or right.
01:32:17: And so you need to be careful that you don't just take your whole state and say, here's what we're doing to state.
01:32:23: The state has these recommendations and standards and districts are free to modify some of those.
01:32:28: And so the answer to your question, Chris, is yes, it's it's basically federalized by the popular political winds of the day.
01:32:38: And the headlines are that, you know, you can't do this. You can't do that. But the bottom line is because I know school districts and I've worked with some school districts and candidates to run for school board.
01:32:50: Bottom line is your agenda is what the majority of the people in the school board vote for.
01:32:57: And so if you want to restrict some of that, you can find ways around restricting it. You find ways of informing parents before you have the program.
01:33:04: What they do not want you to do, though, in most left leaning districts is inform parents of what you're doing.
01:33:12: Now, that is a large principle because that opens up the whole door. And here's the deal.
01:33:18: What does that tell you? If they don't want parents informed about it. It probably tells you that there's a way around it for you if you knew.
01:33:29: OK, and they don't want to deal with that. So, yeah, hormone blockers for some school districts, condom distribution, others.
01:33:40: Let's see. Graphic readings of books in school libraries in some districts, not in others.
01:33:46: So, you know, you've got to check it out. And so I would say if your child was in a school and you have a question about that, look at the curriculum.
01:33:55: Look at where the teacher was trained. Look at the sex education program. Begin with those three things right there.
01:34:02: But above all, in my opinion, develop a relationship with your child's teacher.
01:34:10: Have a communication relationship on a regular basis that's cordial, supportive, and professional. And yet candid enough to say, you know,
01:34:18: I'm not sure you should be doing this. How do I go about finding a way to make a correction on this?
01:34:24: You may be surprised to find that there are a lot of teachers that will support you but won't say it because there's a risk of losing your job.
01:34:31: And so the people are hanging on for dear life to get to retirement because they know things have changed so much.
01:34:37: They just put their heads down. I was talking to just one of my friends just yesterday. And one of my friends said, look, we have a new principal now, but all
01:34:46: I'm going to do is put my head down and keep busy. And that pretty much is the mindset these days, except for the activist teachers who get all the attention on campus.
01:34:56: Now, don't you think that especially when we're talking about Christian parents, they're really and this is going to sound heartless, perhaps.
01:35:07: It's probably going to sound how dare Chris Arnes and say this when he doesn't even have children of his own.
01:35:15: But don't you think Christian parents are really running out of valid excuses not to send their kids either to a private
01:35:24: Christian school or to homeschool them? I keep hearing from my friends who send their kids to government schools.
01:35:31: Hey, you know, we can't afford the high rates of tuitions and Christian schools and stuff.
01:35:37: But there is coming. I mean, already there's alarmingly satanic, diabolical and lunacy.
01:35:51: Things going on. And, you know, how much longer can these kind of things be tolerated before parents just say we're just going to have to do whatever we can do to homeschool and send our kids to war, send our kids to a place like Grace Christian Academy of Long Island?
01:36:07: I mean, exactly, exactly. Chris, the Seattle public schools have hemorrhaged dozens of thousands of students.
01:36:16: They're not going to public school anymore. They're talking about closing schools and blending schools, others into one because they don't have enough students anymore.
01:36:24: And they attribute it to, of course, COVID. Right. But there's a lot going on up here.
01:36:30: The homeschool movement is bursting at the seams. The Christian school movement, Christian schools are growing like crazy up in this state.
01:36:36: There's an education revolution about to occur in Washington. We have a new election coming up.
01:36:41: Another election coming up for the OSPI, the Superintendent of Schools Office, the instruction guy and gal, whoever wins the office there.
01:36:49: They have some Christians that are running for that office. And boy, boy, they're hoping to really mix it up.
01:36:55: So get your school boards going. Get fired up. If you don't like what's happening in public school, get fired up.
01:37:01: Get involved. If you're not willing to do that, then get your church to start a Christian school. They're sitting vacant most of the day, during the week anyway.
01:37:11: Start a Christian school. Begin to homeschool there. Have a co -op. Then change to a Christian school. Have a blended model.
01:37:18: But for heaven's sake, don't allow your children just to come home every day and not debrief what they learned and not know about what they learned by not knowing the curriculum and the teacher that's involved.
01:37:30: I put my kids in Christian school for several years in the beginning. I worked in public schools specifically at the same school they were at and had a voice as a teacher at that school.
01:37:41: I was not liked by some teachers because I stood up to them. And all the way through high school when they graduated,
01:37:47: I stayed in the schools they were at. If you can do that and you can get tenure and you can stand your ground and you can debrief knowing the teachers that you should pick for your kid, then you're great.
01:37:59: I was just lucky enough, fortunate enough to be able to do that because that's the plan that I laid out.
01:38:05: Most parents cannot do that. Most parents are at their wit's end about kids that are piercing themselves all over and dyeing their hair and wearing the opposite clothing and feeling like they want to be somebody different.
01:38:19: They wonder what's happening. Well, what's happening is the identity is not in Christ anymore. The identity is in the world.
01:38:26: And if you don't pull out of that, your child is not mature enough to do it on their own. You have to step in.
01:38:33: Your kid may not like you for a while, but you've got to step in. I mean you've got to snatch it from the fire.
01:38:40: The old days, remember, well, it's just a boy or a girl. It's that way when I was a kid. They'll grow out of it.
01:38:45: No, they won't. No, they won't. They're going to grow more into it. That's the deception of the last days we're in here.
01:38:53: Growing more into perversion. I mean, think about this. Where would you ever have thought you have intellectual people, scholars and Supreme Court justices cannot identify or define what a woman or a man is and won't say that men can't get pregnant?
01:39:16: When in your life would you have ever imagined intelligent people coming to that conclusion?
01:39:23: Something's backwards and upside down in our culture. And it's a demonic deception to think that what is true and scientific is no longer true and scientific.
01:39:33: That's a lie. And when children begin to believe that, they'll accept anything that goes along as a corollary to that foundational ideology.
01:39:44: We have to go to our final break. Don't go away. We'll be right back with more of Ernie Zara. James White of Alpha Omega Ministries here.
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01:43:39: It's such a joy to witness and experience fellowship with people of God, like the dear saints at Hope Reformed Baptist Church in Corham, who have an intensely passionate desire to continue digging deeper and deeper into the unfathomable riches of Christ in His Holy Word, and to enthusiastically proclaim
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01:53:04: We have Janine in Hollis, Queens, New York.
01:53:11: And Janine says, To be honest with you,
01:53:33: I think it's probably been brought in by a particular individual lesson plan versus curriculum.
01:53:42: And I make a difference between that because teachers do have the flexibility to bring some of their own lessons into the mix as long as they are curricular related.
01:53:53: For example, if you're doing things like world history and someone wants to bring in a current event about the anti -Semitism that's happening, that would be appropriate in many schools.
01:54:04: However, in terms of the bias and all that, and I was just reading here, I think this question does go to bias in a lot of ways.
01:54:13: I was just reading here the elementary education program for our caller from the earlier Western Washington University up in that area.
01:54:20: The elementary education professional program centers on anti -bias, anti -racist, social justice philosophy and leads to the recommendation to the state of Washington for a teaching certificate in elementary education.
01:54:37: In many courses today and many, shall I say, training programs for teachers, the particular focus and centric point of the program is what
01:54:49: I just read. And so now you have teachers coming out of those particular programs having college campuses afire basically over anti -Semitism.
01:55:01: And they're going to be bringing that to the classroom when they graduate if they keep that up.
01:55:06: It could be a passing fad in terms of because of the war that's happening right now. I would hope so.
01:55:13: But if not, we're going to see a rise on college campuses and school campuses.
01:55:18: And we're going to see people walking out to protest in favor of one group or another. We're already seeing it in high schools and elementary schools.
01:55:26: They just walk out in support of LGBTQ stuff or even to support the
01:55:32: Palestinian cause or Israeli cause. We're seeing it now. But no real set curriculum yet that's come into the schools that I've seen.
01:55:41: I mean, I'm watching for that. Usually there's a year or two lag time for that to be inserted.
01:55:47: It'll be at a historical point to be made in history books for sure. That's where I find the bias depending on who does the writing of those articles or history books.
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01:56:25: Well, I would really like you to give an overall summary of what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners about this subject today,
01:56:33: Ernie. Yeah, I would like them to know that the mission of education has changed in this age of radicalization, particularly
01:56:41: Gen Z. And for the parents of students of Gen Z, you're seeing a very, very different group of people come through as young people today.
01:56:50: The millennials have grown. They're much more, I'd say, responsible in terms of having families now.
01:56:56: Things are settled down. But when you have a generation that's lopping off body parts and changing their basic genetic structure, if you will, well, maybe not genetic structure, but their physical structure, and they're experimenting with things that are outside the range of their understanding, you're being set up for something much, much greater.
01:57:16: And I call this the sacrifice. Gen Z is a sacrificial lamb for the
01:57:21: LGBTQ movement. And they're celebrating and applauding those that would move in that direction.
01:57:28: And so I would say that you want to be careful, okay, when you say you go to a public school that's teaching the norms of LGBTQ, the norms of identity, and withholding information from parents.
01:57:40: That's the most important thing. The bottom line, if I could draw a line underneath all that and say, if at all possible, sacrifice and put your child in a place that is sympathetic and aligns with your
01:57:56: Judeo -Christian worldview of the universe. Because you'll be much, much happier knowing your child's coming home, supporting you and your beliefs at home, and not have to change and fight and deliberate over all that.
01:58:11: Remember, seven hours a day per day in a public school, you get them for an hour at nighttime, maybe, and it's hard, if almost impossible, to undo the influence.
01:58:20: It is cumulative and often exponential year after year after year. My prayers are with you.
01:58:26: And if I can be of any help and support, my DrErnieZara .com website is available.
01:58:33: Feel free to hit me up through an email on that. And I'd be happy to talk to you about that and move in a direction to give you more support, because we need to stick together.
01:58:43: We Christians need to stick together in this age. We are living in precarious times, as I said earlier when we first started the show,
01:58:49: Chris, and it's not going to get better. It's only going to get worse, and we need to support each other through these difficult times.
01:58:56: Amen. And the website, once again, is DrErnieZara .com, Dr, and that's abbreviated,
01:59:02: DrErnieZara .com. Also, don't forget about the
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01:59:18: And for more details, you can go to the website of Grace Christian Academy, G -C -A -L -I .com,
01:59:26: G -C -A -L -I .com. And our thanks to Roman and Littlefield Publishers for providing us with the free copies of the book that we've been giving away by DrZara, Roman .com,
01:59:39: R -O -W -M -A -N .com. Thank you so much, Ernie, for being such a spectacular guest.
01:59:45: I want to thank everybody who listened. I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater