January 11, 2024 Show with Ernie Zarra on “Understanding Radicalism”

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11th day of January 2024.

I'm absolutely thrilled to have on the program a returning guest, and he

is a very important guest to which you should pay serious

attention.

His name is Dr. Ernie J. Zara III, and we are going to

be discussing his new book, Understanding Radicalism, how it affects

what's happening in education and its impact on students.

Dr. Zara is an education consultant.

He's a member of the National Association of Scholars and the author of numerous books, including

the book we are addressing today.

It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Ernie Zara.

Thank you, Chris.

What a pleasure to be back with you again.

I see that it wasn't too frightening the last time, so a return visit is wonderful

on my end.

And thank you so much for opening the door to this topic.

It's very important, very critical to address and discuss this issue during these current times.

We live in very precarious times, and I'm anxious to talk about those times with you today.

Amen.

And let me set the stage here by describing your book,

Understanding Radicalism, How it Affects What's Happening in Education and Students.

Overall, examines and explores the ever -growing trend to use education outside

groups and social media as agencies of indoctrination and moral

suasion to capture the imaginations, thus prompting students

to question their own racial and gender identities.

Let me read some of the powerful endorsements that you have received.

First of all, Wes Carpenter, who is a friend of mine, author of Woke Religion, Unmasking the False

Gospel of Social Justice.

He says that your book is a well -known—well, he says about your book, it is a well -known

fact that public education in America has been sowing the seeds of secularization for over

half a century.

In recent years, the intolerant fruit of radical progressive ideologies is being reaped

in public schools.

Unsurprisingly, this has led to many who hold to traditional Christian values to homeschool

and private education.

Dr. Zara brilliantly exposes the harmful secular indoctrination and woke ideology

that is radicalizing public schools and grooming children across America.

This impressive work underscores the desperate need for truth in education.

Dr. Zara rightly appeals to wisdom in the pages of this book to address the challenges.

It is a fight that requires us to heed the warning of Scripture that no one takes you

captive by philosophy and empty deceit according to human tradition, according to the

elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

A quote from Colossians chapter 2, verse 8.

This is a battle for the young people in America, and I dare say a battle for the souls of this generation that is worth fighting.

I'm grateful to have this tremendous resource.

Also, my dear friend Stephen Schultz, headmaster of Grace Christian Academy of Long Island in Merrick, New

York, who has invited my guest to speak at their next

annual fundraising gala for Grace Christian Academy in Long Island.

It's going to be held at the Coral House, and we'll give you more details on that at the Coral House in Baldwin, Long Island.

Dr. Zara's book, Understanding Radicalism, and its message needs to be

disseminated from the rooftops.

The landscape of American academia has certainly been decaying for quite some time now, but it

has accelerated in recent years due to movements that certainly do not have the intellect of our

youths as their highest concern.

As a leader in education who is regularly making efforts to convince parents of the horrific

content and strategies of progressive education, this book provides me with the lexicon

necessary to effectively communicate its particulars and support my claims with

extensive citation.

Dr. Zara's book will serve me as an encyclopedia, dictionary,

expose, and training manual when engaging both skeptics and opponents in this ongoing

academic battle.

My dear friend, Dr. Joel R. Beeke, president of Puritan Reform Theological Seminary in Grand

Rapids, Michigan, who is also my next Iron Sherpa's Iron Radio pastor's luncheon

speaker this June the 6th in Perry County, Pennsylvania, and I'll be announcing that

later as well, but Dr. Beeke says, Understanding Radicalism is a sober warning that many educational

institutions today work to radicalize students to overthrow the foundations of Western society.

Dr. Zara rightly argues that a generation is being trained to blindly and zealously follow an

ideology that can only be described as divisive and destructive.

This is a wake -up call to parents, civic leaders, and all citizens who care

for the future of our nation.

And finally, my friend Kirk Wellum, who is the principal at

Toronto Baptist Seminary.

Dr. Zara articulates the concerns of many Christians, not only in the United States, but throughout the Western

world in different ways.

This book demonstrates that spiritually we live in a Romans one world, which is

determined to go its own way.

His work should be a call above all else to prayer and informed gospel resistance to

those by those who want to see God glorified and human

beings flourish in all areas of their lives.

Well, those are very powerful words by some people whose words should be taken

seriously.

And Dr. Zara, what is some of the

things that you would like to address today that you detail in your book that

many parents may be still, even at this point, oblivious to?

Or they might not have the depth of knowledge and awareness that they should have about these things

because they're sending their children to government schools.

And they are being kept in the dark, perhaps even by the teachers themselves, specifically and

purposefully about some of this.

That's correct, Chris.

Yeah.

And thank you so much for reading those wonderful endorsements.

I was so blessed to read those and to find out that they're connecting with the larger

population of the Christendom and from all different perspectives, education in the

pastoral and seminary areas.

I think it's just so, so marvelous.

So thank you for reading those, Chris.

I'm blessed.

Well, I think, you know, to begin with, we need to take a look at, you know, what is indoctrination, first of all?

Because if parents think something's happening, we take a look at the word indoctrination in a moment.

When parents think something's happening and they can't pinpoint exactly what it is, well, there has to be some kind

of terminology, you know, hiccup possibly there in the mix.

Because most parents don't know the difference between when their children memorize

Bible verses at church, in doctrine, and when they're getting things at

school.

They just know it doesn't feel the same way.

So let me give you the definition, a couple definitions here of indoctrination.

To imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or

principle.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

We send our children to Christian schools, classical Christian schools.

We homeschool our kids.

We send them to public schools.

They're getting partisan, sectarian opinions, points of views, and principles in all of those.

Okay, the question is which of those is hurtful, which of those is helpful?

Secondly, if you teach someone to fully accept only ideas, opinions, beliefs of a particular group,

now we're getting down to the nitty -gritty, okay, of indoctrination.

Where we find in Christian schools the ability for children to

question their belief, to question the denominational differences, to question what they've

heard in the world and compared to the gospel.

That's very different than what public schools will do in teaching someone to fully accept only the ideas,

opinions, and beliefs of a particular group.

Not allowing the critical thinking to happen, which is the third point.

If you're not taught to teach a person or a group to accept how to think through a set of beliefs, then you're

being indoctrinated.

So where parents are feeling that contrast, that rub between, you know,

I get when we do a church and at home and at school, if something feels off here, I don't know what's

happening with my child.

Well, understand that there's something being imbued, a doctrine that is being

passed on into the minds of the children, which are not allowed to think critically and

question that at school.

So first of all, I want to talk about the indoctrination.

That's very important to get out there.

I also would like to say that my book analyzes the major tenets of this movement today to radicalize students,

which we'll get into in a little bit.

So for example, one of them includes that science must yield to emotions,

which is how people can say, I'm a man when you're a woman because I feel

very different.

Again, there's something feeling going on here that leads to the truth today over the facts of science.

If you allow children to question those in a classroom, the risk of the person

submitting the emotional argument over the facts of science is at risk

for sure.

The risk is that that person will look embarrassed.

The person will look like they don't know what they're talking about.

So you cannot allow children to question it.

And if you do, then they have labels for you.

And then if you do that, you have to have an assembly or have a group come in to straighten out the classroom.

What you get then is additional indoctrination to break down the critical thinking that they're seeing

to object to what's happening.

And another tenet is that the cancellation of people who disagree

and the punishment, if you dissent, is named is

called or termed the protection of democracy.

So if you say that you are not practicing

Americanism, if you dissent with someone's opinion and feelings, then the

students don't know where to go with this.

So what I'd like to talk about is a little bit of that too as I go through this.

But it's quite important to take a look at, first of all, what is indoctrination?

And secondly, some of those major tenets that come out of the radical movement in schools

today and why students are being confused and where they're going, where they're being led, how they're being taught.

And in fact, there's a lot we could talk about and rabbit trails here, so I'm going to try to keep

it to the Q &A time here that you and I have together.

But I want to make sure we understand too that the very first radical, the very first rebel, the very first sinner,

the very first liar, the very first deceiver was Lucifer.

Set in motion all the things that we have today that are

moving toward the end times or last days or whatever you want to call it.

Where we have what I believe doctrines of demons being taught, emerging in our culture

and coming from the ivory towers, from the minds of men and women into our schools and

our children.

And the younger the grade, the more they're captured.

So what I see here is a definite spiritual battle taking place, not just an educational battle for the minds

of children.

This is not just a mental illness we're talking about here on some of the cases, some of these teachers in classrooms.

This is a spiritual, spiritual deprivation and sickness that's happening.

And my goodness, here's a call for the church.

All what I just said is probably like scary for some folks, and I understand that.

But the church had better be ready to pick up the pieces of a culture gone bad when they

realize and they're left in the lurch and they're decimated by the choices they've made and the

lifestyles they've lived.

The church had better be there with the love of Christ and the gospel to pick people up and get them restored

in a relationship with Jesus Christ.

I'm telling you, Chris, this is not just in public schools and the churches, too.

And I'll leave it at that.

I'll let you ask me another question.

Well, I want you to get more in detail with specifics about

how children are being indoctrinated.

And you can even be specific about the grades with

which or in which this is happening, age groups and so on.

I'm assuming from what you've said, this is running the entire spectrum of

education, starting even with kindergarten.

Yes, it really is.

Just this week, I think it was the third or fourth or fifth or

something.

But just this week, the information was distributed on news channels and the newspapers and

online that a teacher in Mar Vista School District,

the Highline School District here, just south of Seattle, decided that during the school year, right

after the break, that this teacher would no longer be known as Miss Angela.

He would be Mr. Angel, come back as a man, declare that he

and him are the pronouns, dress like a man and say that I want you to understand

now that I transition during the middle of the year.

And I sent a note home to parents and sent an opt -out, I'm sorry, sent a

non -opt -out letter to parents that they did not allow the parents to miss the sex ed or

the indoctrination training as to why gender theory is important and why this

transition is important for the school and community and wanted the support.

They read books to validate that in the classroom.

This is a fourth grade classroom we're talking about here in the south of Seattle.

And that's not just unique here.

I mean, we have these things happening all over the country.

So the point here is, here's how you know this person's an activist and a radical.

He could have waited or she could have waited to the end of the school year to do this.

Why mid -year?

Well, because standing up in mid -year gets a lot of attention and allows students now to

come out and say, you know, I feel the same way.

I may be a girl, I may be a boy, whatever, and then move forward toward that.

There are students who hear testimonials from teachers and

testimonials from LGBTQ groups that come into the classroom.

And they talk about how they did the transition part or how they discovered they were this sexuality or whatever.

And afterwards, students go up to the principals and say, you know, I like to declare that I'm this or that.

I like to come out as this or that or he or she.

And so what we're having here is the indoctrination is occurring, but the activism is making disciples of

the indoctrinators.

And isn't that what testimonies do for the Christian faith as well?

The parallel here is when you share your faith and the radical change of your life in

Jesus Christ, others hear that.

That may be quite attractive for them to step out and say, I'd like that same relationship you have.

So the same thing that we have on the Christian side, the angel of light is doing

on the other side.

And it's the most spiritual.

In my estimation, the most spiritual battles.

And when you find your true self on the gender spectrum or your true self sexually

in a school as a fourth grader, something's awry.

You're just not ready to make that declaration.

Something has convinced the child and that's the indoctrination.

And then the validation by bringing in textbooks or guest speakers

and in the community and the principal and other teachers are validating it.

So therefore, the students go along with it as if it's part of their education.

But I've got news for parents.

Indoctrination is not education.

I want to say that again.

Indoctrination is not education.

But that's what the public schools and not everyone.

Okay, Chris, I don't want to indict every single public school teacher, every public school out there.

But what we're saying here is as a general rule, you're being indoctrinated.

You're not being educated.

You're being pressed toward an activist role somewhere, somehow for someone's opinion

and not allowed to criticize it.

So that's something as an example, you know, from fourth grade.

We have books being read all the way down to the kindergarten level.

They're showing pictures and they're showing, you know, very graphic,

detailed images of sexuality and sexual practices and discussing things in

terms that you probably would have, you know, 25 years ago gotten your face slapped by your

mom or dad if you mentioned some of those.

But something's changed.

Something's very changed.

I began to notice these changes in ideology in the classroom.

I worked with Gen Z and I worked with Gen Z teaching them in teacher education programs.

And I began to notice that the students came with an idea that school was a place to be an activist and not an

educator.

By the way, can you remind me of what age group Gen Z is?

Because all that jargon is new to me.

I always forget.

I always get them mixed up.

Sure.

If you are, oh, let's say you're in the, if you're in your 20s and

you are somewhere, anywhere between, let's say, eight and 20 in that range.

I mean, it's not exact.

They overlap also with others, with another generation.

But, you know, but eight to 20, I mean, and the 25 year olds are Gen Z as well.

They've come out of the Gen Z age.

So what's going on now is we have teachers in classrooms who are in their early to mid 20s.

Okay.

And these are Gen Z folks coming out of the ivory tower, teacher training institutions who have been socially

radicalized in terms of social justice programs, DEI programs, racial and

anti -racist programs, sex and gender spectrum programs.

And their sociology, anthropology and psychology classes are all about those things, including

trauma informed destruction, where, you know, people come to classrooms with, with certain trauma from home.

You have to understand that some of the trauma is because they're coming out as something other than what they were born as.

So, you know, that age group has a lot of particular problems.

And the millennials and Gen Z are called the therapy generation for a reason.

And there's a lot of anti -social behavior within the group.

They're, they're number one, you know, in terms of social media use and influencers in that

respect.

So if you have a child today in public school, consider the child Gen Z.

Now Gen Zoomers, you know, there's another generation coming right after that.

But I would consider any child in school today, elementary, junior high, high school or college, I would consider them part of the

Gen Z overlap.

But, you know, there's something taking place today in that generation that is very concerning to me.

As I said before, I work with teachers and training them.

I noticed that they became more attuned to who they were as

people in their identity than they were as being selfless as teachers.

You know, my generation was taught, teach yourself silly, burn out every day, go home and fill your battery back

up and come back next day and do it again.

Well, these folks today are more in line with wanting to influence

behaviors and changes and connect emotionally through content than they are

connect cognitively through that content.

And so there's the emotional, deep emotional connection.

And the social emotional learning programs that are, that are rampant in schools have something to do with that as well.

If you teach to the emotion, don't be surprised you get what you teach to.

And so when students are online, let's say, and they're connecting with social influencers, there's a

reason they're connecting.

There's something that that's an emotional connection with them.

And so it's so easy today to go online to find somebody like me and a group like I

went along to and feel like I'm validated.

Social media has made that exchange of my identity from one to the other just as quick as I can say

I am this now.

So when we have this, this Gen Z issue, the overarching element for them is

basically shattering the values of the past.

Let's put it that way.

There's a new reality that if I identify as an American brings with it accusations of this or

microaggressions of that.

So I don't want to be an American.

I want to be identified by my own identity individually.

There's no more of the corporate business.

And then we're all Americans.

No, no, I'm this hyphenated American.

I'm this gay American.

I'm a lesbian American.

I'm a transgender, you know, American.

There are no even add the word American anymore.

They're just I am I am trans.

It's almost as if the entire universe is now part of the soul of the individual.

And each universe is so owned and possessed by the individual that anybody who

steps on that is committing a heinous crime toward that person.

This is why they react the way they do.

You stepped on their complete identity.

And so questioning it brings a lot of things and a lot of concerns for the individual.

But why is it important to understand radicalism?

Well, because radicalism affects your personal identity.

You just run away.

Who are you as a Christian?

Let's say because there are many Christians are battling with this as well.

Chris, they're battling who they are in Christ.

Now, if you are in Christ, you're a new creature.

All things have passed away.

If you allow your choice of your own creation to sit next

to Christ who claims you're a new creature in him, then you've got a problem with two people on

the throne of your life, you and Jesus.

That's not a compatible relationship for a Christian.

That is not Christianity.

That is putting yourself as an idol next to Jesus who claims you

as his own.

But if you claim that you didn't that he made a mistake in creating you the way you were created.

And in the classroom you hear, you know, you can be a boy or a girl or you can dress any way you want because there's a spectrum.

And when people looked at you at birth and said you were this or that, they made a mistake or maybe they guessed.

So it's not really something that's in stone that was assigned to you at birth.

Well, you know, when I became a Christian, I wasn't just assigned to the title of Christian.

I was given the Holy Spirit.

I mean, God trusted and trusted himself into my spirit.

I was maybe born again, new creature in Christ.

If I don't see a new creature in Christ, then I can question whether or not I truly

am.

Here's where it gets sticky for a believer.

If you think you're a new creature in Christ, and that also means you can choose your new identity because you're a new

creature in Christ, you're confused about the gospel.

Here's where I say the church has some serious work to do.

In Christian schools, we have to do the work.

In public schools, you have to do the work because those students come to church on Sunday with their families and they're sitting there

and they have the message of the public school indoctrination in them.

And we're not dealing with that from the pulpit.

So the process of radicalization can be done.

But in order to radicalize, you have to have a radical first.

And in order to indoctrinate, you have to have an indoctrinator.

So there can be no radicals without indoctrination.

When it comes to radicals in education, we find most often the rhetoric that they use pertains to

changing the views of children or bringing about social activism.

And they refer to it as education, which it's not.

A true educational radical wants to improve the system of education to produce better educated

critical thinkers that are more literate.

The bottom line is what you train for, Chris, you're going to get.

So don't be surprised when that's the turnout of low test scores, but equity based high

graduation rates.

And I'll just leave it at that for the next question.

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We're now back with my guest Ernie Zara and we are discussing

his latest book, which is a book that should be in the hands of every parent and educator

in the United States, Understanding Radicalism, How It Affects What's Happening in Education and Its Impact

on Students.

And also I want to take this opportunity to announce, as I hinted at earlier,

Dr. Zara is the keynote speaker at the next GALA fundraising

event in Baldwin, Long Island at the Coral House

Catering Hall, which has a lot of fond memories conjure up

in my mind when I think of the Coral House because that's where I began the annual event.

It's going to be an annual great debate series with Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries

and Roman Catholic apologists.

We had them there for the initial three or four, I think, of the

debates and then we outgrew the facility and moved on to other venues.

But it's going to be interesting because I haven't been in the Coral House since those debates

that started in the 1990s.

But my friend Steve Schultz, who I mentioned before, he's the headmaster of Grace Christian Academy of

Long Island in Merrick, New York, which is a Christian school, a classical Christian school operated by the

church where I was formerly a member before I moved to Pennsylvania, Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island

in Merrick.

And this GALA event is going to be held on Saturday, March 16th,

as I said, at the Coral House Catering Hall in Baldwin.

And can you tell us, have you nailed down a specific topic you're

going to be addressing?

I know it's going to be on the general theme of your book, but are you going to be more specific in your

presentation at the Coral House that night?

Yes.

In fact, Steve and I have talked about this and we're nailing it down now where I'll fly in and

I'll spend some time in the Christian school as well as do the keynote address and then maybe

Sunday school on Sunday morning, bring it back out here to Washington state.

So I'm looking at the overall theme here and I'm doing a lot of research in this area now of

cultural voices and Christian choices.

Oh, great.

And if anybody wants to attend that fundraising GALA, you can either go to the

website of Grace Christian Academy of Long Island in Merrick, New York, which is G -C

-A -L -I dot com.

That's G -C -A for Grace Christian Academy, L -I for Long Island dot com.

Or you can call them at area

code 516 -379 -2223, 516 -379 -2223.

And once again, the date of this fundraising GALA is Saturday, March 16th.

And you could get more details by calling that phone number or visiting that

website.

And guess what, folks?

I am the emcee for the evening.

Once again, they must have amnesia because they forgot about the nightmare

that occurred the last time I was the emcee.

I'm just kidding.

But I was the emcee for their last fundraising GALA as well

when Pete Hegseth of Fox News was the keynote speaker.

And I highly recommend you listen to the archived recording of my interview with Pete

Hegseth on the collapse of the American education system.

If you go to IronSharpensIronRadio .com, type in the search engine Hegseth, H -E

-G -S -E -T -H, and that interview will come up.

But going back to something you said earlier in the beginning of the

program, you said that this problem of

indoctrination in a negative way, of course, when it comes to the

corrupt immorality and Marxist

worldview and all these other things, you were saying that this is not exclusively

an issue in the government schools, more commonly called public

schools here in the United States anyway.

One of the reasons that rang as true, as shocking as that is to hear that,

I had a number of interviews with a woman, another guest

that my listeners should look up on the archive, Audrey Werner.

Audrey Werner is an expert on sex education because she was

actually involved in it as an educator for a number of years

until she realized how this was dangerous and damaging

the minds of the young.

And she's also a part of a documentary that I recommend highly

called The Mind Polluters, a documentary exposing the dark realities of the intentional grooming

of children into a worldview at odds with the Christian faith, rampant with sexuality,

homosexuality, transgenderism, normalized through the use of pornographic and

pedophilic material.

But Audrey said, which at the time, because this is the first time I've heard this,

it really shocked me that even some conservative

Christian schools, and I'm not going to mention the denomination because I don't know if

they have changed since then, since we had our

conversation last, but conservative, more mainline denomination

schools, and they have actually

incorporated the writings and the ideology of

Alfred Kinsey in their sex education programs.

And Alfred Kinsey, a notorious pervert

involved in all kinds of sexual depravity and his experiments even included

pedophilia.

But if you could add on to what I just said, I mean, you

had mentioned that this is not exclusively a problem in the government schools.

So tell us about that.

Right, right.

Well, there are two elements to consider here.

The bottom up and the top down.

Let's go to the bottom up first.

Students who come in to Christian colleges or Christian schools from the public sector

are bringing with them all of that baggage that they have right from the public sector and from living in the

public culture, if you will, and now are going to be expected to have a different mindset or a

different type of cultural, you know, debate in their minds.

And probably that's the first time that's going to happen with them.

So you have a group of people coming in that are affecting the bottom, right, going in to the school.

And so when you have a mission statement or a vision statement that says you want to

reach those students maybe that are lost or just that are just new Christians and you have this

coming into the school.

Well, the thing that you do is you begin to shift now from the top a little bit and you

begin to rethink, you know, how strict and how tight we are on some of our policies here and beliefs

because we're we're mission oriented as a school.

So what all that's to say, you have to watch how your mission changes when you have

a demographical change, if you will, in the schooling.

So that's the first thing.

The second thing is at the college level and the high school level, of course, you have teachers

being trained, professors being trained who are who call themselves

from, I don't know, let's say, a professor of English who's a Christian.

A professor of anthropology who's a believer rather than a Christian English professor.

And I think I draw a great distinction between the two of those because you're trained in the secular side and you take a

job at a Christian college or a Christian school.

You're also bringing all that training with you and all the indoctrination and all the things that, you know, to the classroom.

So you're going to be seeing the very things.

Now you've got a contrast.

You have a conflict more so between what you've learned and how you're supposed to deliver that in the

schools.

So now, whether it's bottom up or top down, if you have a teacher that comes in to a Christian school

and students that are in a Christian school have the same type of mindset or the same type of ideological

perspective on something, they're going to have a natural affinity toward that.

They're going to be grouped together and that teacher will begin teaching, you know, to connect with

those students rather than the other students necessarily.

I've seen it happen.

So what you get then is that grooming that you talked about.

The grooming of ideology takes place before the grooming of anything else takes place.

So if you get me and I get you and we're on the same team together and we're becoming closer and closer because I

understand you, you understand me.

We spend more time together and I'm mentoring you.

The grooming begins to take shape in the relationship and you don't necessarily see it as grooming at the time,

but then things change for the worse.

And I have written several books on topics and teachers, different relationships and how they cross over the

emotional, physical and emotional, spiritual boundaries and how to guard against all that.

But what you have then is the grooming that takes place, not just sexually, Chris, but also takes place

in terms of ideology.

Why do you think young children support LGBTQ?

And not even having known about that, they come out and say that I'm supportive of my friend who is this or

that.

Where does that come from?

Where do you just suddenly get a child coming home one day and say to his parents, I'm this?

Well, it's because of the ideological grooming that takes place.

And again, sex education that Werner is talking about in her book and her experiences,

sex education is not sex education.

It's sex indoctrination.

There's where they want you to think that indoctrination is education.

And I argued earlier, you know, in a sense, I argued, but I was real, real

positive by saying that indoctrination is not education.

They have to be separated.

Education is grade level appropriate.

Indoctrination is activistic oriented.

Education is critical thinking to question why this is that way.

Why is it not that way?

Indoctrination does not allow those things.

Sex education basically enables that at grade level,

children to understand their own development as human beings, not

outside their level of understanding, but indoctrination forces down on you greater,

greater knowledge or larger volumes or images and graphics.

Things of that nature are students to expose them to things that are outside the range of their understanding, both emotionally and

spiritually and even physically.

So if you say sex education to me and I hear all of these different things about LGBTQ

homosexual lifestyles and how to wear condoms and, and you know, how to, how to come out as

transgender, then you're indoctrinating children.

That's not educating them.

You're exposing them to things.

And that's how the ideological grooming takes place that for that later produces that

activist we're talking about.

It happens at all the grade levels.

You've got, you know, the drag queen story hour.

You've got, um, you have, uh, uh, glisten and glad coming to schools.

I'm surprised Nambla hasn't made it into the classroom yet as a title of their group.

Although there are probably some Nambla advocates that are in the class that are other part that are also part of glisten and

glad.

Those are all gay and lesbian groups that are advocates, advocacy groups for children in schools.

So they're getting chances to, to groom ideologically.

And, you know, if you can visit child ideologically and

then they go to a Christian school.

What are you going to get in the classroom at a Christian school?

If you get five or six students from public schools that come in, uh, let's say as seventh graders, what type of

education are you going to have to provide for them to undoctrinate

or allow them to live in their doctrinated mindset in a Christian school?

Or will you change your Christian school mission to know that you're reaching those people and you want to love them

more than correct them?

See today, Gen Z is really not wanting to be corrected.

They get offended.

They get easily hurt.

So you have to be careful how you do the correction.

Again, in a Christian school, parents know what they're going to get.

They sign covenants, they sign statements, they sign doctoral statements.

Here's what you're going to get.

You don't like you take your child out and go somewhere else in public school.

You don't have that luxury.

As I said earlier, in the Mar Vista school for Mr. Angel, Mr.

Angel and Miss Angela, there was no opt out for the parents

to hear about the sex education program that allows for transgenderism.

Okay.

Now imagine a Christian school that said this.

You come to our school.

Okay.

And parents, you're not going to be able to opt out of anything we teach at all.

And the parents won't be able to take your child out if it's offensive.

Now there are some Christian schools who teach transgenderism and anti -racism and D

.E .I. and are very, very anti -white.

And those are mainline denominational schools that have just pretty much sold out to the whole racial

equity and anti -racist Abraham Kennedy ideology.

So you've got to be careful, right, where indoctrination is taking place.

You have to be careful where grooming is taking place.

And you have to know, first of all, what is your ideology?

What is your Christian worldview?

Because it comes down to, is my Christian worldview being compromised by where I'm putting my children?

And are they being groomed to another ideology that will walk away?

They'll walk away from our faith in the church eventually because they'll question it.

And then it was not allowed in the school to be questioned and they don't like to be questioned at home.

So therefore, you know, they're pretty much say, yeah, I'm going to cash it in.

By the way, we have to go to our midway break right now, but please don't forget where you left off and we'll pick up

right where you left off when we return.

And please be patient with us, folks.

This is the longer than normal break, but we will be back with Ernie Zara momentarily.

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Let's see here.

We have Stuart, and Stuart

is located in a city that I may butcher the pronunciation,

Snohomish, Washington.

S -N -O -H -O -M -I -S -H.

By the way, you're in Washington, aren't you, Ernie?

Yes, I am.

How do you pronounce that?

Snohomish. Snohomish.

Okay, I was right.

And the question is, can you be very detailed

as far as things that are going on in the government schools that we may be totally

oblivious to?

Yeah, we've been hearing a lot in the media, unless you are only watching the leftist

mainstream media, we've been hearing a lot about transgender

things, transgender teachers, teachers instructing kids that they can choose their

gender and be identified as such with the names that they choose.

But what else may be going on?

Well, that opens up a large conversation.

I would really like for him to hit me up on Facebook or send me a friend request

or check my website, drerniesara .com.

I post a lot of things that are happening in schools on a

website, as well as the Education Grandpa.

That's what I'm known as on another website where everything education goes on there.

So there's so much happening from, well, near Snohomish and Bellingham area, Whatcom County,

all the way down through Seattle and King County.

It's a little bit much more liberal or much more leftist happening there.

What you have there is school boards, and here's where I think you can really make a difference.

The school boards are chock full of people on the left up in those areas.

And if you were to look at the school board minutes, you would find out what they're talking about at each of the school board meetings or go to the

meetings, listen in, or even ask to speak at one of the meetings.

You can do that as well.

But you're going to find out the trend in sex education.

There's where I would think you want to start your sex education program for your school district.

They adopt it.

They change it.

They can modify it.

The state of Washington, as you know, has required now for the whole state, public schools, the sex

education.

And it's kind of crude in some places, and I think that's the best place if you want to

get fired up and make a change and bring that to the school board and ask them why they're doing the

non -age appropriate sex education exposure rather than focusing on more mathematics and

literature and science.

Why is it important to activate children's emotions and feelings about

sexuality and gender and not do so about flowers and rabbits and science

and mathematics and all of that?

So I would suggest to do that.

But if you want really specifics, you can watch any go online to any I

don't know.

Fox News would do some.

MSNBC has some.

Any major network has articles.

Don't just look at the title of the article or the link.

Click on it because then the article is probably not going to match what the article title is in a lot of cases.

But I have a lot of different articles on my website and my blog.

I also have videos that I talk about some of these issues from past interviews

with Chris and other hosts.

I also have the links to all the different things that are happening, a lot of Washington articles.

I can point you to some Facebook groups that are specifically Washington -oriented, everything from

legislation that's coming out of Olympia for parents' rights and

the bill that would deal with children who make the claim that their parents don't

understand them and so they can be placed in foster care.

All the little things that are happening like this and clinics on campus and I don't know how it can go.

But if you want some information like that, hit me up.

I'd be happy to send you to those sites.

You can link up and you can see everything we post every single day because it is really a

cornucopia of issues here in Washington State.

And each school district is a bit different and we're fighting our own battles down here where I am in Pierce County.

So keep your eyes open and I would love to connect up with you.

So hit me up, man.

Let me ask you a question of my own that's related to that.

Are you aware of the data about

how universal is it in the United States where it appears to be

legal for teachers to privately without the consent

of parents, you know, get the

proverbial ball rolling when it comes to changing so -called

changing the gender of a child or

even bringing a girl to Planned Parenthood for an abortion or any of those kinds of

things?

I mean, are there states where those kinds of things are still illegal for

teachers to be involved in without the consent of the parents?

Yeah, I was just reading this morning 12 to 15, I think it's 12 to 15 states in that range where the

transgender therapy has been banned.

We're not allowed to do the therapy part of that.

The conversion therapy too has been banned in most states.

But some states do allow the counseling and all of that.

So each state is different.

In fact, each state is so different that each school district, conservative or liberal, will push the limits

left or right.

And so you need to be careful that you don't just take your whole state and say, here's what we're doing to the state.

The state has these recommendations and standards and districts are free to modify some of those.

So the answer to your question, Chris, is yes, it's basically federalized by the

popular political winds of the day.

And the headlines are that you can't do this, you can't do that.

But the bottom line is because I know school districts and I've worked with some school districts

and candidates to run for school board.

Bottom line is your agenda is what the majority of the people in the school board vote

for.

And so if you want to restrict some of that, you can find ways around restricting it.

You can find ways of informing parents before you have the program.

What they do not want you to do, though, in most left -leaning districts is inform parents of what you're

doing.

Now, that is a large principle because that opens up the whole door.

And here's the deal.

What does that tell you if they don't want parents informed about it?

It probably tells you that there's a way around it for you if you knew.

OK, and they don't want to deal with that.

That would take place.

So, yeah, hormone blockers for some school districts, condom distribution, others.

Let's see.

Graphic readings of books in school libraries in some districts, not in others.

So, you know, you've got to check it out.

And so I would say if your child was in a school and you have a question about that, look at the

curriculum.

Look at where the teacher was trained.

Look at the sex education program.

Begin with those three things right there.

But above all, in my opinion, develop a relationship with your child's

teacher.

Have a communication relationship on a regular basis that's cordial, supportive, and professional.

And yet candid enough to say, you know, I'm not sure you should be – your school should be doing this.

How do I go about, you know, finding a way to make a correction on this?

You may be surprised to find that there are a lot of teachers that will support you but won't say it because there's a risk of losing your job.

And so the people are hanging on for dear life to get to retirement because they know things have changed so much.

They just put their heads down.

I was talking to just one of my friends just yesterday.

One of my friends said, look, we have a new principal now, but all I'm going to do is put my head down and keep busy.

And that pretty much is the mindset these days except for the activist teachers who get all the attention on campus.

Now, don't you think that especially when we're talking about Christian parents,

they're really and this is going to sound heartless perhaps.

It's probably going to sound how dare Chris Orenson say this when he doesn't even have

children of his own.

But don't you think Christian parents are really running out of valid excuses not to

send their kids either to a private Christian school or to homeschool them?

I keep hearing from my friends who send their kids to government schools, hey,

we can't afford the high rates of tuitions in Christian schools and stuff.

But there is coming –.

I mean already there's alarmingly satanic,

diabolical, and lunacy

things going on.

And how much longer can these kind of things be tolerated before parents just say

we're just going to have to do whatever we can do to homeschool and send our kids to or send our kids to a place like Grace

Christian Academy of Long Island?

I mean –.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Chris, Seattle public schools have hemorrhaged dozens of thousands of

students.

They're not going to public school anymore.

They're talking about closing schools and blending schools, others into one because they don't have enough students

anymore.

And they attribute it to, of course, COVID.

But there's a lot going on up here.

The homeschool movement is bursting at the seams.

The Christian school movement – Christian schools are growing like crazy up in this state.

There's an education revolution about to occur in Washington.

We have a new election coming up, another election coming up for the OSPI, the Superintendent of Schools Office, the

instruction guide and gal, whoever wins the office there.

They have some Christians that are running for that office.

And boy, oh boy, they're hoping to really mix it up.

So get your school boards going.

Get fired up.

If you don't like what's happening in public school, get fired up.

Get involved.

If you're not willing to do that, then get your church to start a Christian school.

They're sitting vacant most of the day, during the week anyway.

Start a Christian school.

Begin to homeschool there.

Have a co -op.

Then change to a Christian school or have a blended model.

But for heaven's sake, don't allow your children just to come home every day and not debrief what they learned

and not know about what they learned by not knowing the curriculum and the teacher that's involved.

I put my kids in Christian school for several years in the beginning.

I worked in public schools specifically at the same school they were at and had a voice as a

teacher at that school.

I was not liked by some teachers because I stood up to them.

And all the way through high school when they graduated, I stayed in the schools they were at.

If you can do that and you can get tenure and you can stand your ground and you can

debrief knowing the teachers that you should pick for your kid, then you're great.

I was just lucky enough, fortunate enough to be able to do that because that's the plan that I laid out.

Most parents cannot do that.

Most parents are at their wit's end about kids that are piercing themselves all over and dying their

hair and wearing the opposite clothing and feeling like they want to be somebody different.

They wonder what's happening.

Well, what's happening is the identity is not in Christ anymore.

The identity is in the world.

And if you don't pull out of that, your child's not mature enough to do it on their own.

You have to step in.

Your kid may not like you for a while, but you've got to step in.

I mean, you've got to snatch it from the fire.

The old days, remember, well, it's just a boy or a girl.

It's that way when I was a kid.

They'll grow out of it.

No, they won't.

No, they won't.

They're going to grow more into it.

That's the deception of the last days we're in here, growing more into perversion.

I mean, think about this.

Where would you ever have thought you have intellectual people, scholars and Supreme Court

justices cannot identify or define what a woman or a

man is and won't say that men

can't get pregnant.

When in your life would you have ever imagined intelligent people coming to that conclusion?

Something's backwards and upside down in our culture.

And it's a demonic deception to think that what is true and scientific is no longer true and

scientific.

That's the lie.

And when children begin to believe that, they'll accept anything that goes along as a corollary to

that foundational ideology.

We have to go to our final break.

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We have Janine in Hollis, Queens, New York.

And Janine says,.

To be honest with you, I think it's probably been brought in

by a particular individual lesson plan versus curriculum.

And I make a difference between that because teachers do have the flexibility to bring some of their

own lessons into the mix, as long as they are curricular related.

For example, if you're doing things like world history and someone wants to bring in a current event about

the anti -Semitism that's happening, that would be appropriate in many schools.

However, in terms of the bias and all of that, and I was just reading here, I think this question

does go to bias in a lot of ways.

I was just reading here the elementary education program for our caller from the earlier Western Washington University up in

that area.

The elementary education professional program centers on anti -bias,

anti -racist, social justice philosophy and leads to the recommendation to the state of

Washington for a teaching certificate in elementary education.

In many courses today and many, shall I say, training programs for teachers,

the particular focus and centric point of the program is what I just read.

And so now you have teachers coming out of those particular programs,

having college campuses afire basically over anti -Semitism.

And they're going to be bringing that to the classroom when they graduate if they keep that up.

It could be a passing fad in terms of because of the war that's happening right now.

I would hope so, but if not, we're going to see a rise on college campuses and school

campuses and we're going to see people walking out to protest in favor of one group or another.

We're already seeing it in high schools and elementary schools.

They just walk out in support of LGBTQ stuff or even to

support the Palestinian cause or Israeli cause.

We're seeing it now, but no real set curriculum yet that's come into the schools that I've seen.

I mean I'm watching for that.

Usually there's a year or two lag time for that to be inserted.

It'll be at a historical point to be made in history books for sure.

That's where I find the bias depending on who does the writing of those articles or history books.

Well, Janine, you have also won a free copy of the book we have been addressing, Understanding Radicalism.

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Well, I would really like you to give an overall summary of what you most want etched in the hearts and

minds of our listeners about this subject today, Ernie.

Yeah, I would like them to know that the mission of education has changed in this age of radicalization, particularly with

Gen Z.

For the parents of students of Gen Z, you're seeing a very, very different group of people come through as

young people today.

The millennials have grown.

They're much more, I'd say, responsible in terms of having families now.

Things are settled down.

But when you have a generation that's lopping off body parts and changing their basic genetic

structure, if you will—well, maybe not genetic structure, but their physical structure—and they're experimenting

with things that are outside the range of their understanding, you're being set up for something much, much greater.

And I call this the sacrifice.

Gen Z is a sacrificial lamb for the LGBTQ movement, and they're celebrating

and applauding those that would move in that direction.

And so I would say that you want to be careful, okay?

We as an educated public school that's teaching the norms of LGBTQ, the norms

of identity, and withholding information from parents.

That's the most important thing.

The bottom line, if I could draw a line underneath all that and say, if at all possible,

sacrifice to put your child in a place that is sympathetic and aligns with

your Judeo -Christian worldview of the universe.

Because you'll be much, much happier knowing your child's coming home, supporting you and your beliefs at home,

and not have to change and fight and deliberate over all that.

Remember, seven hours a day per day in a public school, you get them for an hour at nighttime maybe, and it's

hard, if almost impossible, to undo the influence.

It is cumulative and often exponential year after year after year.

My prayers are with you.

And if I can be of any help and support, my DrErnieZara .com website is

available.

Feel free to hit me up through an email on that, and I'd be happy to talk to you about that and

move in a direction to give you more support.

Because we need to stick together.

We Christians need to stick together in this age.

We are living in precarious times, as I said earlier when we first started the show, Chris.

And it's not going to get better.

It's going to get worse.

And we need to support each other through these difficult times.

Amen.

And the website, once again, is DrErnieZara .com.

Dr, and that's abbreviated, D -R, ErnieZara .com.

Also, don't forget about the Grace Christian Academy of Long Island Gala

event at the Coral House Catering Hall in Baldwin on Friday, March

15th.

And for more details, you can go to the website of Grace Christian Academy, G -C -A -L -I

.com, G -C -A -L -I .com.

And our thanks to Roman and Littlefield Publishers for providing us with the free copies of

the book that we've been giving away by DrZara.

Roman .com, R -O -W -M -A -N .com.

Thank you so much, Ernie, for being such a spectacular guest.

I want to thank everybody who listened.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior

than you are a sinner.

Amen.