April 3, 2019 Show with Douglas Kuiper on “The Doctrine of the Covenant in the Canons of Dordt?” AND David J. Engelsma on “The Great War: What Led to the Synod of Dordt?”

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And I'm thrilled to have two guests on today to discuss an important subject. They're actually going to be discussing two different aspects of one important subject. The one important subject is the fact that this is, this year, the 400th anniversary of the Synod of Dort, and we have a first-time guest for the first hour to discuss the doctrine of the covenant in the Canons of Dort.

That will be Douglas Kuyper. The second hour, we have a returning guest, one of my favorite guests to interview, David J. Engelsma, and he is going to be addressing the Great War, what led to the Synod of Dort.

But first of all, we have, as I said, Douglas Kuyper for the first hour. He is Professor of Church History and New Testament in the Protestant Reformed Theological Seminary, and he's discussing the doctrine of the covenant in the Canons of Dort, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Professor Douglas Kuyper.

Thank you, Chris.

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Well, first of all, Professor Kuyper, if you could tell us something about, before we go into your personal salvation testimony, because you are a first-time guest on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, and that is our tradition, tell us something, first of all, about the Protestant Reformed Theological Seminary.

Protestant Reformed Theological Seminary.

Praise God. Well, now let's hear something about this conference, Dort 400, and might I just quickly read some of the speakers? In fact, I'll read all of the speakers. Professor Ronald Kamenga, or Kamenga, I think that is the correct way to pronounce it.

I remember him rebuking me lovingly the last time he was on my program. Ronald Kamenga, who has been a guest on this show. Professor Barrett Gritters. Reverend Brian Huizinga. Today's guest, Professor Doug Kuyper.

And Reverend Bill Langerak. And I may have mispronounced that. And Reverend Mark Shand. And Reverend Angus Stewart, who actually is going to be our guest Friday on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio for the two hours.

And tell us more about this conference that's coming up just in a few weeks, on the 25th, 26th, and 27th of April. That's Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. 25th, 26th, 27th of April. Tell us about this conference.

Good. Every other year, at least, to Saturday morning.

Yes, that's right.

I'm not able to...

Well, if you live near Michigan, especially Hudsonville, Michigan, that's the correct city, am I right?

That's true. It's a suburb of Grand Rapids.

Yeah, so if you live near there, especially, I would strongly recommend that you attend, because there is nothing like being at a conference, as opposed to seeing something live-streamed. There's just something radically different, in my opinion, about being there when the Word of God is proclaimed.

I don't think, for instance, that listening to sermons on the radio and watching them preached on the television, as wonderful as that may be, will ever be a substitute for gathering with the saints on Sunday for worship service.

And like manner, if you're able to attend the conference physically and be there, I would strongly recommend that you do that. And for more details, we'll be announcing this later, but the website for more details on this conference is www .dort400 .org.

Www .dort400 .org. And please tell the folks running the conference, if you register for it, that you heard about it from Brice Aronson on Iron Sherpins Iron Radio. Well, as I hinted at before, Professor Kuyper, here on Iron Sherpins Iron Radio we have a tradition that we try to uphold as often as possible.

When we have a first-time guest, we like to hear from that guest a summary of their salvation testimony, what kind of religious atmosphere, if any, you were raised in, and what providential circumstances did our Sovereign Lord rise up, or raise up in your life, that drew you to Himself and saved you?

Ha ha ha! Yes!

I'm spelling it probably on a Google search.

In fact, I made that clarification every day that I've been announcing this, and today was the first time I forgot to do that.

Very good.

That's a big bonus. Can you make something up? No, I'm only kidding. I have often told folks that there is nothing, obviously, to be embarrassed or ashamed of having been raised in the faith since infancy and not being able to recall years of rebellion and so on, because I think that that is a remarkable and amazing story in and of itself, especially in the 21st century, when I hear about brothers and sisters in Christ who, as long as they can remember back through the years past, they cannot recall a time they didn't believe in Jesus.

I find that amazing. So I don't think there's anything uninteresting about hearing that story as often as I hear it, because it's something certainly to rejoice over and to praise God over.

Absolutely.

And so we are going to be addressing today, and of course not in its entirety, we don't want to steal your thunder from when you are going to be preaching at the conference April 25th through 27th. But to start off with, if you could define, especially keeping in mind that we have many listeners, I think the majority would be believers, and the majority would be Reformed from all different stripes of Reformed theology.

I happen to be a Reformed Baptist, a confessionally Reformed Baptist, holding to the 1689 London Baptist Confession, which has much in common with the three forms of unity in the Westminster Confession.

But tell us first of all about, in an abbreviated fashion, the Synod of Dort. We're going to hear from David Engelsma in the second hour on what led to the Synod of Dort, so you don't have to go too deep into the reason for its existence.

But just give us a summary about it, and what makes the Canons of Dort stand out from the other Reformed confessions. In fact, I just mentioned the Westminster, I just mentioned the 1689 London Baptist Confession, there's also the 39 Articles of the Anglican Church, there's the Savoy Declaration, and of course even you have two other forms of your three forms of unity, the Heidelberg Catechism and the Belgic Confession, in addition to the Canons of Dort.

So what makes the Canons of Dort stand out? And some may be surprised to know that the five points did not originate with John Calvin. In fact, listing five points of doctrine didn't even begin with Calvinists, it began with the Arminians, who first came up with their five points, and there was a protest to their protest, there was a protest to their teachings that had gone astray from not only, most importantly, the scriptures, but from historic Reformed teaching.

Am I correct there? Now, if you could define another important word in our subject today, covenant, especially how it relates to Christian theology. Now, there are differences between even Reformed Christians on the nature and extent of the covenant.

You were mentioning something earlier in the very outset of the program about the difference between a conditional and unconditional covenant. If you could be a little bit more specific about the differences between those two.

I can.

I hear you perfectly. I'm sorry. I probably moved my head away from the microphone, and I apologize.

Very good.

Yes.

Right. The touching on that, the Arminian idea...

So it seems that it's very reflective of what Reformed Christians, and actually, I believe, what all authentic Christians believe about justification. We believe that a man's good deeds and his obedience are absolutely absent from the reason God justifies sinners, but at the same time, those whom he justifies will certainly bear fruit, namely in the actions of obedience and following Christ and repenting of sin and so on.

Right.

And one of the things that differentiates or separates some, not all, but some Pado-Baptist Reformed Christians from Reformed Baptists is that we who are Reformed Baptists believe that only God's elect are truly in the covenant.

Many of my Pado-Baptist friends do not believe that. They believe that if you are baptized as a child or even as an adult, you are automatically in the covenant and truly in the covenant, but you can fall away.

In fact, you will in some fashion if you are not of the elect. So they believe that non-elect people, they believe reprobates, are a part of Christ's covenant. Now, as I said, not all Pado-Baptists agree.

Where would the Protestant Reformed Church be on that issue, and where do you think the Synod of Dort lies on that issue? And of course, I've always found it difficult to understand the explanation of my Pado-Baptist friends who would disagree with you, who believe that anyone baptized in the name of the Trinity is in the covenant, especially if they have Christian parents, but how they explain how Christ mediates for those in the covenant who are reprobate.

That doesn't make any sense to me at all. I've heard that Christ mediates wrath, but that doesn't seem to be a very comforting notion connected to a covenant.

I would agree.

Amen.

Well, we are going to our first break right now, and please, if you have a question for our guest, send it now to chrisarnzen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. Please give us your first name, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA, and only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal or private matter.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Sorensen. If you just tuned us in, our guest for the first hour with just about 15 minutes to go is Douglas Kuyper, Professor of Church History and New Testament in the Protestant Reformed Theological Seminary.

He has been and will continue to address the doctrine of the covenant and the canons of Dort. If you'd like to join us on the air, send us an email to chrisarnsen at gmail .com. Chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

Before we take any of our listener questions, Professor Kuyper, if you could explain the task ahead of you to speak on the doctrine of the covenant in the canons of Dort when, as you admitted earlier, the covenant is rarely mentioned in the canons of Dort.

Good. Eight times is...

We do have a listener. We have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York. And Bobby says that, Would you say that the main problem with Arminianism is that it robs God of His glory to be 100 worthy of the praise, honor, and glory of our salvation.

And no matter how much they may protest and say that they give God all the glory for it, they are really taking credit in part for it, regardless of what they may say, if they really believe that God is not the author and finisher of our faith, if our salvation does not begin and end with Him and is not maintained by Him and preserved by Him, they are, in some way, taking credit for themselves.

I would...

We have B .B. in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, who says,. What I can't understand is how denominations can all agree upon the three forms of unity as their standard of faith and yet radically disagree on issues as important as presumptive regeneration.

I am gathering from what your guest said that he does not believe in presumptive regeneration. That is to presume that a child is with certainty regenerate after it's been baptized.

Well, I think it's because of the fact that...

I don't think that she was saying that, but there are people who have the three forms of unity as their standard. Like, for instance, there are those in the Christian Reformed Church who, in fact, used to be a lot more solid than it is today because they've gotten liberal and so on, although there are a few conservative holdouts in that denomination.

But I have met Christians who would say, I hold to the three forms of unity, and yet they do also believe in presumptive regeneration.

If that was her point...

Well, we only have a few minutes left, and I'd like you to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today. And I think that you already know that next time I invite you back on the show that you should be on for two hours.

But if you could give us a summary of the most important things you want to leave our audience with today. Amen. Well, don't forget, folks, the Dort 400 Conference is being held Thursday through Saturday, April 25th, 26th, and 27th at the Trinity Protestant Reformed Church in Hudsonville, Michigan.

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I look forward to having you back on Iron Trip and Zion Radio in the future.

Thank you, Chris. Have a good day.

You too. And don't go away, folks, because Professor David Engelsma is our second guest, and he's going to be continuing our discussion on the Synod of Dort and the Canons of Dort, but from a different angle.

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Well, before we go to our second guest of the day, one of my favorite guests, David J. Engelsma, who is going to be speaking on the Great War, what led to the Senate of Dort. He's also going to be speaking about a conference coming up in Northern Ireland where he is going to be preaching.

I want to give you some of the events that we hope that you attend coming up very shortly and one of them is that conference I just mentioned. First of all, the Covenant Protestant Reformed Church of Ballymena, Northern Ireland is going to be having an event in commemoration of the 400th anniversary of the Canons of Dort.

The original Five Points of Calvinism featuring our guest during the second hour today, David Engelsma. This is going to take place on Saturday, April 13th, Wednesday, April 17th, and Wednesday, May 1st.

So it's coming up this Saturday. It's very quickly coming up. If you live in the United Kingdom or more specifically Northern Ireland or you have the means to travel there, I strongly urge you to do so.