October 16, 2017 Show with Kurt M. Smith on “George Whitfield”

George Whitefield as a Calvinistic Evangelist and Church Historian

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This is Chris Arns and your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio wishing you all a happy Monday on this 16th day of October 2017 and I'm so delighted to have back on the program somebody who has become one of my favorite guests, Kurt M. Smith, who is an author and he's also pastor of Providence Reformed Baptist Church of Pine Mountain, Alabama.

Today we are going to be discussing a very important figure in church history, George Whitefield, and this is largely because our guest, Kurt M. Smith, is presently writing a primer on the life and legacy of George Whitefield proclaiming Christ as a Calvinistic evangelist and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Kurt M. Smith.

Thanks, Chris. And if anybody would like to join us on the air, let me give you my email address where you can send questions for Kurt M. Smith. It's chrisarnsen at gmail .com. C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

And please always give us your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence if you live outside of the good old USA. Well, once again, why don't you tell our listeners who have not heard you yet on this program something about Providence Reformed Baptist Church of Pine Mountain, Alabama.

Reformed Baptist Church.

Now, is that something you do every year?

Yeah, that is it.

Great. Was that an idea that you came up with or did you know that another church did that kind of a yearly recommitment? That's an interesting tradition.

Yeah, it's a practice.

Great. Well, we'll be giving our listeners contact information later on in the program for your congregation, especially if anybody in your area wants to either visit, perhaps even join that church, or if folks listening are going to be visiting your area on vacation or something from out of state.

But right now, the website is prbc1689 .org. That's P-R-B-C for Providence Reformed Baptist Church, 1689 for the London Baptist Confession of Faith, dot O-R-G. And Whitfield is a really fascinating character from church history.

I love reading about Whitfield and he blows away the stereotype of Reformed or Calvinist Christians being dry, dead, lifeless, and passionless. The man was a very zealous preacher known a lot for his outdoor preaching and captivated the heart and mind of Benjamin Franklin, I know.

And Franklin, from all we know from history, was not a genuine believer, was not a genuine regenerate man, but he was still fascinated by Whitfield. And I can recall him giving some astronomical distance in measurement where Whitfield could be heard outside.

Do you happen to recall the distance where Benjamin.

Franklin was standing, where you could still hear Whitfield? Yes. Well, Whitfield has been called.

The greatest evangelist since the Apostle Paul, and E .C. Dargan said of Whitfield, in his history of preaching, the history of preaching since the Apostles does not contain a greater or worthier name than that of George Whitfield.

And Charles Adams Spurgeon said of Whitfield, I am conscious of distinct quickening whenever I turn to read Whitfield. He lived, other men seemed to be only half alive, but Whitfield was all life, fire, wing, force.

What a great comment. And Martin Lloyd Jones, more recent figure from history, 20th century figure from history, said of Whitfield, all of the men of the 18th century, Whitfield was the most lovable. He radiated warmth and joy, and wherever he went, he moved others to greater zeal and activity.

Above all, he was the greatest preacher. Indeed, one can say that he was the greatest preacher that England has ever produced. That is quite a commendation from Martin Lloyd Jones, and I don't know if it had anything to do with the fact that Martin Lloyd Jones was also a Calvinist Methodist that he made that comment, but I'm sure it is not far from the truth.

And one of the things that, well, first of all, before I go into some of these specific questions, I'd like you to give some more of the background, because there are people, I'm sure, who are either listening live or who will eventually be listening on the recording who don't know who Whitfield was, and perhaps it'd be a good idea for you to give us his history and the fact that he came out of the Anglican church and so on.

Whitefield’s Anglican Background and Why He Was Opposed

Yeah, that's right. He died an original founder of the Methodist movement in England. He also spearheaded, he established an orphanage, and he was the key. Wow. I heard a kind of a humorous quote by.

Whitfield. I'm almost positive it was Whitfield. He was somewhat lamenting that many of his converts were becoming Baptists because he was a Paedo-Baptist, and he said something to the effect that all my chicks are becoming ducks.

Do you know the exact quote? I don't have the.

Boat in front of me. Do you have the exact quote? Okay. Now, was he calling we who are Baptists.

Ducks because of the fact that ducks are actually in the water?

Yeah. That's right.

Okay. That's what I assumed, although I didn't know that for certain. And now he, as we said, was an Anglican, and although the Anglican church has been steeped in Calvinism, although it was never monolithically Calvinistic, and especially since you had the Anglican church going back and forth like a pendulum depending upon who was in power, a Roman Catholic or a Protestant, and then you had the Anglican church becoming somewhat of a hybrid to appease both sides at some points in history, and even today you have a really wide spectrum of Anglicans from a Romish Oxford movement, Anglicans, all the way to liberal apostates.

But what was the primary reasons that Whitfield was so disliked by many Anglicans and why he had problems himself with the Anglican church?

Well, clergy in that time, in that period, was the problem. And George Whitfield, he resisted.

That's interesting because the 39 articles of religion, the primary creed of Anglicanism, at least starting in the 17th century through even today, the more conservative Anglicans adhere to that. That is not a creed that endorses baptismal regeneration.

Not leave the Roman Catholic church at all.

And there are many Calvinist Anglicans who are furious right now hearing you say.

That. Yeah, right. Confessional, evangelical. In Whitfield's preaching, his preaching, it was preaching the saints, and that's really because of the content of the preaching. And these people, they had never heard that.

And on top of that, many hearing many of them as just or as not being permitted, and that was to preach. And that day, one Englishman goes out and begins proclaiming the gospel. You can't, you know, just contain the throngs of people to hear him if they heard that he was going to be anywhere close by and maintain 1738 all the way.

Yeah, the Anglican church, as I'm assuming other churches, probably especially the Roman Catholic church, had a very superstitious understanding. And of course, when I say the Anglican church, I don't intend to be broad-brushing, because I'm sure that that wasn't universally the case, but they had a superstitious understanding of the only proper way that the word of God was to be declared and taught and preached was to be in the confines of a church building.

Am I right?

Yeah, people in that day, it actually used was vulgar. You know, what, well, it just, and it called vulgar enthusiasts, you know, were...

Now, I don't know if they went, meaning the Anglican clergyman, went to the lengths of disruption for Whitfield's meetings as they did with Wesley, but I have heard from a Methodist minister who's now retired from the ministry, who was a frequent guest on my program.

He was an evangelical United Methodist minister, which is extremely rare on Long Island, New York, where I'm originally from and where my show was originally broadcast every day there in Babylon, Long Island, kind of an interesting name for the town.

But my friend, Dr. Dick Williamson, the former pastor of the Seaford United Methodist Church, told me that the Anglican clergy used to release bulls to trample through Wesley's open-air meetings. Did you know if anything like that or anything similar.

Was done to Whitfield? He did say a lot.

Sounds like college students today. Yeah, and the more liberal universities who, every time an allegedly conservative person or anybody remotely close to believing in the Constitution ascends to a podium at a liberal university today, that's what they're getting, typically.

Right, yeah.

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Whitefield, Slavery, and African American Christianity

Well, we are now back to our discussion with our guest Kurt M. Smith. And Kurt M. Smith, as I mentioned at the outset of the program, has become one of my favorite of all guests here on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, and he is the pastor of Providence Reformed Baptist Church in Pine Mountain, Alabama.

Today we are discussing George Whitfield, and if you'd like to join us on the air with a question, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com. Chrisarnson at gmail .com. Please give us your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

We have a listener in Slovenia, Joe, who says, Dear Brothers Chris and Kurt, thank you for affording me this great opportunity to engage with great minds on an engaging topic. Well, one of us has a great mind, and I don't mean me.

I'm not sure that's me either.

I've read that Whitfield regularly sought out opportunities to preach to slaves, and that the response was so great that some historians date the beginning of the African American Christianity to his preaching ministry.

What can you say about the accuracy of those claims? Are they true, and do contemporary African American denominations recognize his ministry as their point of beginning? Thanks for bringing us great discussion on such formative subjects.

Well, I'm assuming that there were Christians, especially since slavery was in existence before Whitfield. I'm assuming there were Christians who were, there were slaves who were Christians, but, and even freemen who were Christians, but perhaps there was some more significant number of them that came to Christ through Whitfield.

What do you have to say about.

That? Do you know? Yes, here, he traveled here to America, and even more than he did his own. He did have one, Wheatley, I was thanking God for this. Wow, praise God. Well, Joe, you did.

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We have David in Ada, Ohio, who says, in my church, we are studying the end times, pre, post, et cetera, millennial positions, as well as dispensationalism, so I wonder where George Whitefield was on his end times position, and did he have any influence or contact with premillennial dispensationalism?

I don't think that premillennial dispensationalism, especially the second half of that phrase, dispensationalism, I don't think that that.

Existed in Whitefield's day, did it? No, no. Well, thank you, Joe, in Slovenia, and by the way,.

I don't think that any of the major Reformed confessions, including the Westminster and the 1939 Articles, actually get very specific about any of the end times scenarios, other than what you just mentioned about Christ visibly returning, the resurrection of the dead.

There are premill, amill, and postmill, that is, historic premill, amill, and postmill Christians who adhere to all of the major Reformed confessions, including the 1689 London Epist Confession. Charles Spurgeon is the most famous one that I can think of right now, who was a historic premillennialist and also a thoroughgoing confessional Calvinist.

But thanks for that great question, David, in Ada, Ohio, and continue to spread the word about Iron Shepherd's Iron Radio in Ohio and beyond. We have Murray in Kinross, Scotland, who says,. Many apologies for this long quote, Chris, but I was wondering if Kurt Smith could comment on whether such a view of antinomians was fairly consistent in Whitefield's ministry.

I understand the doctrinal point he is making here, but feel he is a bit harsh in his dismissal. This is from his sermon, The Lord Our Light. Some allow that there is mourning before, that's m-o-u-r-n-i-n-g, some allow that there is mourning before, but no mourning after conversion.

Pray who says so? None but an antinomian, a rank antinomian, and when you hear a person say that after conversion you will have no mourning, you may be assured that person is at best walking by moonlight.

He does not walk by the sun. He has some doctrine in his head, but very little grace, I'm afraid, in his heart. Amen, as far as I'm concerned. That's Chris Arnzen speaking right now. My second, I'll move on to a second question after you respond to that.

I see that as a very legitimate quote because if you are not, I'm assuming Whitefield's talking about mourning over sin. Yeah. And if you don't have any mourning over sin,.

There's something wrong with your heart. Believer, wholeheartedly. Yeah, because that's a very serious.

Issue. That's not a minor difference that brothers in Christ can disagree over. When somebody says basically that they feel just fine and they are carefree and guilt-free and go on happy-go-lucky in their everyday life because, well, you know, Jesus has forgiven me for my sins, so I don't need to be concerned about disobeying God anymore.

That's a very.

Dangerous and damnably dangerous position to be in, isn't it? Great lamentation. Amen.

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But if you are blessed financially above and beyond your ability to both support family and church, which are two commands of God, then please consider supporting Iron Sharpen's Iron Radio. That is not a command of God, but if you are blessed financially above and beyond your ability to obey those two commands of providing for church and home, please consider us.

If you love this program, if you don't want it to go away, please pray about giving not only once but even regularly to Iron Sharpen's Iron Radio if you can afford to do so. Just go to the website, ironsharpensironradio .com, ironsharpensironradio .com, click on support, and then you'll see an address where you can mail a check made payable to Iron Sharpen's Iron Radio.

If you want to advertise with us, whether it's advertising your church, your parachurch organization, your business, your professional practice, whether you're a lawyer, a doctor, a dentist, a special event that you're having, well, whatever it is that you want to advertise, as long as it is compatible with the theology expressed on this program, it doesn't have to be identical with my theology, but it must be compatible with the theology of Iron Sharpen's Iron Radio, then we would love to work out an ad campaign with you because we could certainly use the advertising dollars.