FBC Orlando Baptizing Homosexuals: The Proof It Is Happening And Why This Is Not Loving

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Hello ladies and gentlemen, my name is Justin Peters. I hope that this finds you and your family doing well today

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I want to thank you so much for joining me for this podcast as I mentioned in my previous video with Casey Butner we had a follow -up video coming and this is that video and Casey and I are going to be

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Showing you more proof much more proof about the things that we have been saying About First Baptist Church, Orlando as well as the

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SBC in general Some have asked for proof. In fact, we've heard from a number of people

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Expressing their deep concern genuine concern, but wanting some more proof of the things that we are saying

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Specifically that First Baptist Church is baptizing Homosexuals and that is all going to be in this video now

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You've probably already noticed if you've looked down at the timeline or whatever. This is a long video it is

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It's going to be a hair over two hours in length. So what I have done is

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I have broken this down into Chapters, I guess you could say and down below in the description.

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I will have the minute mark So if you want to jump to a particular place

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You can do that or if you want to you know, stop and come back to it later or whatever We want to watch something again.

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So all the chapter divisions are down below in the description so you can navigate this video

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More easily. This is not a video that I wanted to make Casey did not want to make it

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But it is one that is necessary Unfortunately, and we want we want churches to be equipped.

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We want people who truly care about the truth To be equipped and so and and also let me say you'll see this as a video goes on, especially at the end that Neither Casey nor I have any disdain for homosexuals we care for them and we want them to know the truth and Anyway, I've got ahead of myself.

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So basically here's the chapter divisions how we're gonna break this down So we're gonna start by giving just kind of an introductory material about Some of the things the first Baptist, Orlando We've been talking about and the

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SBC the attractional model of church of doing church and that kind of stuff some laying some groundwork first and then we're going to Get share with you some of the emails and feedback

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That we have received from people and I mentioned in the last video that we have now heard from well over a hundred people either current members or former members of First Baptist Church, Orlando expressing their concern and actually affirming every single thing we have said and then some

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Next chapter. We're going to be talking about the North American Mission Board and First Baptist Church, Orlando and how the

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North American Mission Board is partnering with FBC Orlando and some of the concerns that that entails and I will be

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Kind of a subdivision within this chapter I will also interview Tom Buck and he will talk about the exchange that he has had with Kevin Ezell the director of the

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North American Mission Board and how that went back and forth and very troubling things there Then the next chapter

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Casey's going to talk about some social justice keywords tag words If you hear some of these things in your church

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That will be you know enough to raise red flag And then

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Probably what most of you are really wanting to see And this is not this is not for the purpose of being salacious in any way

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It is simply showing proof of the things that we have been saying But the next chapter we will have

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I will show Casey and I will walk through with you photographic proof that Homosexuals are being baptized at First Baptist Church, Orlando And then we will answer some of the criticisms the next chapter answer some of the criticisms that have come our way and I'll talk about one

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YouTube channel in particular and Then Casey is going to tell us about some of the former homosexuals who have contacted him

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And thanked him for the things that he has been saying in these videos I think that will encourage you a lot and then finally the last chapter will be the conclusion and The gospel, that's how we will end it.

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So thank you very much dear ones for watching this and Without any further delay.

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We'll get to the interview Casey brother. It's good to have you back with me and In our last video that we did together

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We kind of teased this one a little bit said that we would have another video coming up and this is That video and so we will largely be talking about some of the ongoing issues

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And concerns at First Baptist, Orlando and flesh those out more fully and also some some well a couple of critics have have said that we don't really have proof of what we're saying, but As we said in the last video you you and I both heard have heard from dozens but in your case given your centrality there to First Baptist, Orlando your location you've heard now from over a hundred people

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And so we're gonna be talking through some of those things and we're gonna have pictures That validate prove unfortunately prove everything that we have been saying so Let's go through this quickly

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My concerns with First Baptist, Orlando. They that church first kind of got My attention back in 2016 with the

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Memorial service that they had for the victims of the pulse nightclub shooting, of course, which is a gay nightclub

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I've done a video on this. They ushered everyone there into heaven and the the chief cornerstone in scripture

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From first Peter to that was identified as the LGBTQ community

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You know when in reality, of course, it is Jesus Christ himself, so it's just horrifically blasphemous and That kind of one thing led to another so Casey, let's walk through some of these issues

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Let's talk a little bit about David youth and him being the president of the

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SBC pastors conference in 2020 what would you like to share with us about that as we just lay some groundwork here?

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Yeah, sure, you know a little bit more there about David youth is worth talking about because that's primarily where our concerns lie and nevertheless he had an invite list that was prepared for the pastors conference there and Unfortunately due to kovat the whole convention was canceled.

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The pastors conference was canceled. I guess you could say praise the Lord or Unfortunately, however, but that invite list is public news as well and it was organized by David youth and There's just a list of guys who are just simply

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Well, I guess we could just start at the top. David Platt was Invited now

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David youth was chairman of the search committee for the IMB when they were looking for a president

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So he was strategic and getting David Platt in that position. They're good friends now

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David Platt when he was preaching at the t4g conference He preached a message called let justice roll down like water from Amos chapter 5 verses 18 to 27 and he completely took that out of context and Made it to where whites needed to repent and he was saying that white people had blind spots and he called for whites to utilize all of their influence

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To do justice and that that was the true test of our

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Christianity so that was pretty much the Huge open door for critical race theory and social justice and and all of those things.

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So That would be one who you know, David invited and then Wayne Cordero is a pastor over in Hawaii He runs about 21 ,000 in attendance.

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He's a non -sbc guy. Then you got Jim Simbala in New York and They run

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Charismatic Jim Simbala charismatic. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, absolutely Then as you go on down the list

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David Hughes senior pastor of Church by the Glades and Coral Springs, Florida they run about 9 ,000 and You put their worship service just a glimpse on our last video

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Yeah Yeah church Church by the Glades that is that is an SPC church

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A lot of people don't think it is but but it is that is their affiliation They are SPC and this is an attractional church seeker sensitive church on steroids, they

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Just recently as their primary I guess what I guess a primary worship song worship song and they're one of their services on a

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Sunday was a remake of Walk this way by Aerosmith and I guess that was later redone by I Started to run didn't run

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DMC. So I'm not a music guy I don't know my musical interests are pretty much limited to the hymns and Ray Stevens Country comedian racing so beyond that I'm not my wife will tell you

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I'm famously illiterate on music, but I did look up Unfortunately, I looked up the lyrics to Walk this way

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Horrific, that's all I'll say somebody wants to Google it fine, but it very very sexually explicit

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Now they changed the words a little bit But it's still there and that's what they consider worship.

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So and they do sermon series on movies I've you know, Michael Jackson stuff and you know, it's just it's it's a it's a theatrical production and I Have no problem saying that Church by the

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Glades is not a church It's it's a goat farm. It's an absolute goat farm, so and so for David used to invite him as an example at a pastor's conference is

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Completely discrediting especially when they do series like Victoria's Secret. Yes, Victoria Victoria's Secret.

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Yeah, I Must give credit where credit's due you you told me that so I didn't find that Not that I've watched it.

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But but I yeah, so it's on their YouTube channel You can go to their YouTube channel. You see it's right there. And but yeah, yeah, it's

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Carnal doesn't even begin to describe it. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's outright gross and In any of your viewers that go on to Church the

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Blades website and watch just you know a minute or two I guarantee you they that's all they'll watch.

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That's all you I mean, it's it's just that appalling Yeah, go and you know, it's kind of fitting.

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I mean South Florida has just some well, anyway, as You kind of go on down the list

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Phil Whitman was invited to be the worship leader now. He collaborates with Bill Johnson at Bethel and so you have this

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Bethel music and all of its mysticism coming in to lead worship for pastors

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Yeah and as you have these guys on stage to preach and to teach you're setting them as an

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Example and so David youth was taking all of the Southern Baptist pastors outside of if you want to say

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Southern Baptist doctrine and going Outside of the denomination to look as for an example as to what to do in their churches

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And obviously church growth is the goal for the SPC. It's an idol numbers

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This is how you do it But then, you know another kicker would be Hosanna Wong a spoken word artist a

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Bible teacher a preacher She's a teacher at the East or preacher a pastor at the

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East Lake Church in San Diego She's an international preacher a guest preacher for many churches and she was in a preaching slot

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She was in a preaching slot for a Southern Baptist pastors conference and David youth would say well

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She wasn't preaching. She was just going to do spoken word and if and if you've listened to her, she doesn't just do spoken word she's going to preach and that Even putting her in there as a pastor.

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She is a pastor. She's on the website of a church as the pastor It's it's muddying the waters.

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It's affirming women pastors. It's simply crossing the line in all of these different areas and He got a lot of pushback within the

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Southern Baptist Convention and at that time When kovat hit and got canceled and the pushback came, you know

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David and Danny kind of pushed back on their own Sunday morning service when they started meeting again and calling them, you know crazy uncles and evil and names so he responded in that way rather than just Repenting and saying guys

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I was out of line and getting back in line doctrinally. So, you know non -spc people to lead the

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SPC It's way outside of sound doctrine which obviously pastors are called to do according to Titus 1 9 to hold fast to that, you know, we would look at it as You know me a prior

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Southern Baptist. I would say Adrian Rogers the line of Jerry Vines the faithful expositors if you're going to go outside the

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SPC John MacArthur Steve Lawson Votibachum Kenham Justin Peters Get in that thread and bring in sound doctrine if you're going to go outside But the clear direction of David youth and even

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SPC would be more like Rick Warren Tony Evans TD Jake Stephen Furtick Joyce Meyers That's the downgrade that we're looking at and so we're taking in to consideration years of compiled evidence and Showing people here today that this is most certainly the direction that David youth and Danny are going

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But not only first Baptist, Orlando the entire SPC by and large craves this friendship with the world partnering with the world and friendship with the world is hostility towards God James 4 4 says and I was proud of Chris Kenningham whom you put in the last video who pretty much said they're on the floor

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That our church has found that partnering with the world is something that the SPC is doing and we're no longer going to be

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A part of it. Have a good day, and he walked away from the microphone I was I was surprised not not one person applauded him

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Yeah, I know that was pretty telling and in case you were not doing that You know, we've been accused of someone or at least some would say that I think there's been some oblique

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Digs at us From some of the higher -ups in SPC the SPC elites and and you know, we're we're angry we're like the angry uncle or the crazy uncle in the basement or so, you know, and like we're just angry, but we're we say these things because We actually care we care about the truth.

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We care about the honor of God, but we also care Deeply that that people are not deceived

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Right. I mean, I asked a simple question How valuable is truth?

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Yeah, how valuable would Jesus say that truth is? And this is very very true and at the core the truth is going to protect the people

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At the very core of it The pastors are called to preach the truth of God and it's by the

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Word of God that it sanctifies the people And so, you know, we talk a lot about how this is not fun

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And I've shared with you many times. I don't envy your job, Justin But here's the thing

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We're fighting for souls And it's worth it. It's taxing and it's laborious but those who have

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Combined I mean just compounded their affirmation towards us and thanking us for getting the truth out

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It's endless you mentioned over a hundred for me and and honestly Um, it's probably well beyond that and that's not a lot compared to how many people are attached to first baptist orlando

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And you know that it ran 14 000 in the jim henry days. I don't know where it's at now

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But nevertheless It is so big that in between all the multiple services

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And all the things that are going on people could literally not know the context of what's happening over here

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These baptisms or what's happening over here this children and youth and spanish services brazilian services

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And it's almost like a town And so when you walk around on sunday morning, there's thousands of people.

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That's that's just the way it is at a big church And so firsthand testimonies have said to me

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We were there for years and you would have this one little thing that Um would be wrong

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And then some time would go by another little thing and then another little thing And so now that we've done these videos just simply added up all of the facts

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The light bulb comes on and I have heard this one illustration Over and over and over again the frog in the kettle is true.

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It's true frog in the frying pan It's a true illustration and that's what's happening there. And so for the true sheep to be able to know the truth

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That's what we're simply doing and you know, you and I have decided that Um, it is our opinion for pastors to go down this road intentionally.

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They know what they're doing They know where they're going if they're not innocent Yeah, they've already decided they've done their tests.

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They've pulled the community. They know where the world is They know what the world is craving and they know what to do to It's the same thing that the southern baptist convention is doing trying to keep the big tent big

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Trying to keep the room full. Yeah That's right for numbers for numbers

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Okay, see I want to get I want to get to a couple of these emails and testimonies that we've been talking about Of course, we couldn't begin to go through all of them because we've heard from so many

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Uh, so I want you to read through some of whatever you would like to uh, but before I let you do that, let me ask you this question has it

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Has it been your sense? Uh, because some are going to say oh Every church has disgruntled former members.

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And so You know, these are just angry former members of first baptist orlando that have had their feelings hurt and they're so they're just trying to get back at their

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Church, they're just disgruntled. Is that the sense? That you get from these people who have contacted you

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The people that contact me are hurt They have been Heavily invested as members for years and years and years multi -generationally too with their children their children's children and You know for a few hundred people to leave first orlando is nothing for them

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They've they've already they know where they're going. They've counted the loss and um, this little bump in the road

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You know, I mean i'm convinced you and I are just nothing that's not even on pastor david and danny's radar

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But if perhaps these videos can reach the people for whom are contacting us, especially myself

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And they're saying what you're saying is true and then some yeah, and They're hurt.

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They're they they've been giving for years They feel like that. They've been

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Deluded and sound doctrine has not been being preached The truth hasn't been being preached and they feel like they've been robbed of their time

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And now that they've been giving toward an agenda that they do not approve of they feel robbed

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And so nevertheless, there's a lot whom are Dealing with all of this right now

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And and so our prayers go out to those who are comprehending yet And and I too have a heart because i've gone through that before I was on staff with a false prophet he put

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You know a couple uh to be baptized. It was of the same gender I asked, you know

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What is this? I was a children's pastor at the time had children lined up who had received christ

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And I I said we we can't baptize a gay couple, you know, these ladies need to be evangelized we need to share the gospel with them and And he said casey

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We love you brother and we just want you to keep doing what you're doing and you're doing a great job and just a glazed over schmoozed thing

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And it wasn't very long at all after that that my wife and I we prayed and said

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We're resigning And god took good care of us when we made that hard decision and it took a a long time nearly a year to emotionally recover

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Because we had invested our lives in this church And so I know what it is for the folks to be going through this hardship

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They've invested their lives into their and oftentimes their their their friendships at church

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Are more intimate and closer than their actual church family And so they're dealing with Losing what what would feel like is family members if they walk away from the church

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That's just really really tough on all kinds of different levels and so nevertheless

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They're they're hurt understandably because anyone who's been deceived for a long time you're obviously going to be hurt but not

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They're not vindictive. They're not just trying to cause trouble for the sake of causing trouble

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They're hurt and they don't want other people to go through that same hurt that they've been They've been through so it's not a it's not a vindictive

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Mm -hmm meddling kind of hurt. It's a it's a hurt that's born out of a love for the truth, right?

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Yeah and they appreciate the the courage to be able from us to be able to put the truth out there so that They and their friends can put it all together and so nevertheless

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I have had an overwhelming amount of affirmation and appreciation And at the same time listening for hours on end of their personal testimonies hours and hours and hours of the things and Unfortunately, a lot of the very specific details

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Would give away the identity of those and so we can only share so much

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Without breaking confidence. Sure But the details are very specific and they're harsh

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Yeah, so, you know david and danny will have to answer to that on the day of judgment before the lord

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Yeah, and The sheep are going to be okay Yeah, one such individual who obviously will remain unnamed

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Saw our video and and sent a long email and i'll just kind of rattle through some of the things that he mentioned

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He joined, you know five years ago He previously attended a solid bible preaching and teaching church out of the state

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And he served there at first baptist orlando in the response room and did counseling

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He um, and he started noticing a lot of things that raised his spiritual eyebrow and red flags and such

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So they closed the response room to make way for youth activities Danny was constantly beating the drum for money

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And um, and then there was that pastors conference fiasco with david youth Which we just talked about the invite list that he brought in and Nevertheless, this gentleman lived in south florida for a while and he says he's familiar with the antics of church in the glades

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So he was completely put off by that and then at the same time there was a posture shift

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Conference there at first baptist orlando and that's simply how to reach out to the gay community and he left he says confused

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Where the church was going And how to reach the gay community for the gospels.

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It was confusing for him Now you would think there shouldn't be anything confusing about the gospel.

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It's the easiest thing in the world to get right So he was deeply grieved and he was left.

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Um Fouled at the point that they were fouling the baptistry and baptizing homosexuals

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Danny got up on a sunday morning when david was in attendance and he started berating The ejecting pastors from the pulpit causing them calling them crazy uncles and evil people

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So he's talking about those who were giving david pushback for those whom he invited to the pastors conference

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And and I want people to be sure and hear what you just said This this individual says they were baptizing homosexuals

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Plural so he saw this More than once that's my understanding. Yeah.

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Yeah of what he's saying So it left him deeply grieved now

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This is sad he he went over to um david on a sunday morning and um

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Confronted him and then they were able to talk about it for a very short time And then david he says got huffy and he said well you're going to believe what you want to believe and walked off And that's just sad for a pastor to treat anybody like that, especially when

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This man knows what he's talking about so while attending the church He attests to the fact in this email that david brought in robert morris a charismatic preacher and more um

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Yeah He's he's friends with todd white so that kind of tells you where robert morris is but go ahead

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Wow. Yeah And then he brought in hosanna wong to perform scripture and then had a woman preach on that sunday

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And then to kind of add to everything that was happening at the same time is shutting down discipleship classes and replacing them with practical matters and social justice issues and so you see the high bar of god and ecclesiology being

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Brought down. Yeah inch by inch and then worldliness brought up. It's just teetering and teetering and teetering and over the years

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Now it's just the cart has flipped and People really are seeing it now

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So for this gentleman, he said that he was done. The final straw was when danny read his infamous

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We are first orlando letter We are a diverse welcoming multicultural gathering of people

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We have the 99 year old world war ii hero And the millennial immigrant who doesn't know anything about american history sitting on the same row and listening and learning about jesus together

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We have transgender lgbtq straight single married divorced and cohabitating people

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These same people attend listen serve grow and give We have democrats republicans independence and non -registered people

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We have documented and undocumented people We have politically active and socially responsible people.

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We have pro -life and pro -choice and pro -war and pro -peace We have support the blue and black lives matter sitting together and serving together

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We have trumpers and never trumpers. We have biden supporters and harris supporters And in the midst of all of this

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We have one of the most beautiful worship experiences you can possibly imagine Because all of us gather around the good news of jesus and the one who is changing us and the one who unifies us

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And we celebrate how he has set us all free from our bondage to sin and given us eternal life jose

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We are first orlando And um, and he says that in no way that described him and he didn't want to be associated with it

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So they had their names removed from the membership there at first. That was orlando

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And speaking of the people there at first he says they are literally like frogs in the boiling pot

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What once was the battleship of christian faith has been turned into a carnival cruise love boat of pragmatism woke ism culturalism and numbers

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Again to kind of sidetrack a little bit. I have not heard back from danny or david

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And I don't expect to um, i'm a nobody and i'm fine with that I just want to be faithful to whatever the lord has for me to do and If we could sit down and talk it would be about sound doctrine what the scriptures say about all these subjects

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That's the voicemail I left on pastor david youth's cell phone. I would love to follow up with a conversation

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He called left me a voicemail. I told him I said let's meet and obviously his mother passed

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And our condolences still go out to him and his family We would love to sit down and talk about the

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I mean he has a phd in new testament There's no reason why we can't talk about sound doctrine

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With bibles open but every time we talk with david it's emotional stories

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And the list kind of goes on and on and on So to finish this email the bottom line is if you love and care for someone you will warn them of the danger

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And continuing on their current path and show them that the path they're on leads them away from safety

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So to do what danny and david are doing is to foster a false sense a false sense of security

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In people and to walk down that path is to take them to hell. This is not love

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But this is hatred by hiding the truth. I pray that the lord either convicts david and danny to repent

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Or he cleans house and brings in doctrinally sound leaders to shepherd this church

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And that he doesn't remove his candle stand If he hasn't removed his candle stand already now you got one email out of a ton of emails that have responded to And we've got pastors as well.

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Not only from We're not not only people and pastors from first orlando Not pastors from first orlando, but people around the country and pastors from around the country

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Who have emailed and said casey our church Is seeing what first orlando has done.

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We're seeing what's happening in the convention We have voted and our church voted unanimously and we're leaving the sbc.

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Yeah, and so I asked pastor michael in washington if I could have permission to share and he said sure he said for years

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I've been grieved of the direction of the sbc. I serve in washington state. He sees the darkness creeping into the sbc

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And he's going to be showing his elders the interview that we have the video prior to this

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And they're going to discuss their affiliation the sbc might ask you for prayers And he said i'm no great man of god, but as paul washer said there are really no great men of god only frail men

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Of a great god. So thank you for being a voice for truth of god's word and so that's pastor michael duncan senior pastor of faith community church at ocean shores washington and this is just one example of a ton

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So nevertheless, and then there's another one where they already did vote 100 Pastor aaron in texas that they've left the sbc.

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This is actually pretty interesting Okay he called and he said that um

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They voted to leave the sbc and they'd sent a letter and he was gracious enough to attach this well -written letter

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And pretty much there's 10 specific points as to why they're leaving The texas the southern baptist of texas convention

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So the state convention of texas called and they said are you leaving the state convention as well?

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So the pastor said pastor aaron said well, we got 10 points that we need addressed

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So the state convention sent a representative to come and speak on a sunday morning And pastor aaron said it was an absolute bomb

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He affirmed the fact that women could be pastors He affirmed the fact that the baptist faith and message is where we're at And the list kind of went on and on and on and it it was just awful

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The texas state convention affirmed that women can be pastors yes

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Yep lord have mercy Genuineness lord have mercy

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State convention so you know In in our own state convention as well.

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Yeah, i've told you that i've spoken personally um with our treasurer And and he has said, you know that I can't do anything.

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Every church is autonomous and independent and and so I said

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We have got to leverage our influence to hold one another accountable for the glory of god and for the well -being of the sheep

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We we can't just get the money and the numbers and pretend like everything is okay and Cover our eyes and keep having conferences at first baptist orlando and keep having our annual conventions there

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Keep keep on doing everything like it's not happening and so the fact that first baptist orlando was affirming that the lgbt community

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Can also be christians at the same time and they're baptizing them Is Happening and there's zero pushback from Any other pastors that I know of?

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um the convention Pastors that would have the clout to be able to say hey david youth what's up Are not doing that they are siding with their friendship rather than being able to hold one another accountable and That's no friend that no

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That that is that is such a sad commentary I don't want people to miss that so it's we're not just talking about first baptist orlando, even though that's kind of they're kind of the emphasis here, but any pastor

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Who would not stand up against this and and go to david youth and danny diarmus and say brothers

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Ostensibly what are you doing? So romans 14 22

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Blessed is a man who is not condemned by what he approves right so if if if you're if you know the truth and you have access to these men and you're

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You're in the svc you're in their theological and ecclesiological circles and you have access to them and you don't say something

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You're i'm i'm not saying like a six degree Kevin bacon kind of thing but but you're you're

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You're condemning yourself by what you approve and by not going to them

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You're participating in that sin Yeah, it's become that's not me that's scripture

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Right. Yeah, it's become a thing around here. We say it quite often now to permit is to promote

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Yeah Absolutely, we're not going to be guilty by association And we've just simply

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Taken the high ground, especially when it comes to it being made a gospel issue even on The woke side of things so i mean baptizing homosexuals doing social justice.

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That's just part of what First baptist orlando is is accused of and or is doing you know

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The second peter chapter 2 verse 1 but false prophets also arose among the people

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Just as there will be also false teachers among you who will secretly introduce destructive heresies even denying the master

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Who bought them? you know, I mean this stuff rises up within the churches and it obviously gets to the pulpit and everything and Whether or not david and danny are false prophets or not.

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I mean, I don't know. I mean they could be genuinely Fooled colossians 1 8 talks about that.

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You know, the colossians were fooled but I personally would say to them Your fruit is telltale well, you know as you said david has a

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Phd in new testament, so he's not ignorant of what scripture teaches so You know the state of the man's soul

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I won't weigh in on that I guess but uh But I can definitively say

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Definitively say he's not qualified to be a pastor biblically, I mean that's that's as obvious and irrefutable as The sun rises in the east

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He's not qualified to be a shepherd That's exactly right the uh the very basis the very basis titus 1 9 being able to hold fast to sound doctrine and refute those who contradicted is a one of the areas but at the very point in our conversation where you and I stammer and stumble as to Determine where they're at well

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Here's the call for the sheep the call for the sheep would be in first john chapter 4

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And verse 1 beloved do not believe every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they are from god

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Because many false prophets have gone out into the world And this is nothing new jesus said in matthew 7 15 beware of false prophets which come to you in sheep's clothing

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But inwardly they are ravenous wolves So you've got jesus who was never missing the opportunity to call out false prophets

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Even in luke 20 verses 45 and following then in the beginning of the people. He said to his disciples beware of the scribes

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All of these warnings and such are just it's just simply what you and I are doing We are warning people and calling them to discernment

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And giving them the truth so that they can make a fair assessment for the the well -being of their soul and their family souls

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Sit back don't be entertained don't be lulled, you know into sleep and really grab your bibles and Listen with a discerning ear and don't be emotionally manipulated

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Yeah Absolutely. Absolutely Nothing more important than the shepherding of your soul.

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I tell people i'll kind of paraphrase my wife She gave an illustration one time that I thought was very helpful You know in every area of life we seek out the best

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You know, we want the best dentist to fill our cavity. We want the best plumber to fix our leaky sink we want the best builder to build our house and We seek out people that are proficient and qualified And trustworthy in their field of expertise, you know, we seek out the best.

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We want the best doctor to perform surgery on us Except when it comes to the shepherding of our eternal soul except when it comes to that one thing that is by far by far the most important the preaching of god's word rightly

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Dividing the word of truth shepherding us Protecting us from the wolves doing church leading us in worship that that is by far

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The most important aspect of our lives and when it comes to that Oh, you know

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Anything will do it is It's so upside down so upside down.

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Okay, so let's talk a little bit about David's response You know you have here in your notes, so he calls for people to trust him rather than Verify what scripture right?

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Would you like to comment? Yeah, you know, I was rather surprised at his response. He decided to handle, you know our first video um publicly in a sermon

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And to call, you know, um, I think it was probably mostly you

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Um a liar And that's a strong accusation

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Of a guy who posted a video about our church filled with lies So unfair so ungodly but yet he did it in the name of jesus

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So all the way back from jacksonville. I've got my phone right there in front of me And I got that number. All I gotta do is touch it

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And I said i'm gonna call him And the lord said why are you gonna call him? I said i'm gonna bless him and the lord said

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I know what blessing means to you I know what you're gonna do He said you're not gonna call him.

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I said lord. It wasn't right He said what they did to me wasn't right

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Lord, it wasn't it wasn't fair He didn't tell me that's where you take your pig, but he said

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That wasn't fair what I went through um, we're just simply Observing the facts and comparing exactly what has happened to the scriptures

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That's all we're doing And they're in the public eye and this is nothing that Nobody else.

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I mean everybody does this everybody discerns and everybody looks now. Um, david decided to lambast the whole situation and Do it in a sermon.

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I was quite surprised that He would call his people to listen to me

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And he did not quote any scripture when it comes to Refuting the points that we brought up Or any of these other things he's never brought it up.

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And so nevertheless, he's calling the people to trust him Now proverbs 3 5 says trust in the lord

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And pastors should be calling their people to trust in the lord. Look at the scriptures Analyze it rightly divide it know the word of god

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Follow christ and shepherds should be pointing their sheep towards the lord. Jesus christ

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Yeah, not calling them to trust me and giving them stories So I was disappointed in that and at the same time calling this liars.

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So um that was I think telling

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For the people if they would just simply look at the facts and say wait a minute Um, yeah, there are there's solid scripture.

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There's solid facts, but yet he's ignoring those things and saying listen To me calling people to be you know a man follower

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Right. Yeah. Yeah, and you're exactly right accusing us of lying. It's a serious accusation

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So I would invite the proof where what have we said? That is a lie What have we said that we have we have lied about knowingly lied about?

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I mean i'm happy to correct any Anything we may have factually gotten wrong, but it's right, but i'm not aware of anything

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Um, but I can definitively say with a crystal clear conscience before god you and I have not lied about anything

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You know, I got a good illustration for you in the transmission of scripture over history, especially back when the manuscripts were being copied by scribes

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One of the ways that scholars verify what the original words were is that you would you would stack

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The manuscripts so if like in john 1 1 or genesis 1 1 in the beginning you would say in In you stack all the manuscripts up and you look at it.

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You see all of these words match up So you got a hundred manuscripts In is definitely the first word.

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So all of these testimonies all of these different copies that's solid And so when you go through the entire word of god

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That's how we know we really truly have the word of god and now when you take a hundred testimonies

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In all of this collaborative evidence just piling in it all makes sense

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All makes sense when you're looking at all of their testimonies. They came they come in in the same fashion in the same ways and I mean

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You would ask the question. Why are we doing another video? Well, i'll give the answer from a pastor who used to be

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An attorney and he said stack the evidence because the people don't really see it until the evidence is put before them time

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Again time and time again Yeah, so when you're caught up in it and you're blind to What's really happening?

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We're all trusting. We love our shepherds. We love our pastors. We love our church We think I had one testimony tell me to this right here if I would have watched your video a year ago

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Casey I would have said No way that's happening at first baptist orlando. That's what

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I would have said a year ago, but six months ago So it's it's and and these are not

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Dull people these are sharp people and so you think to yourself. Wow We certainly can be fooled first corinthians 15 33 bad company corrupts good character no matter who you are and so our

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Surroundings really matter. We are moldable. We we really need to make sure we're in the soundest environment

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That's the healthiest for our soul and seek out sound doctrine So nevertheless that would be one way that we have just compounded all of the evidences that have piled up Amen So one of the other things that happened at first baptist orlando, um some time ago

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The north american mission board nam brought in a prior church planter

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Whose name is matt who's on staff at first baptist woodstock to speak to pastors here in central florida

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So first baptist orlando hosted that luncheon and um, he came in as a guest speaker and obviously

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Knew david and danny they were sitting up front our table was close to them And to my utter surprise right there in the middle of the message he dropped a four -letter bomb

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I had not looked around. I thought is anybody else appalled? David and danny were laughing

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The pastor beside of me was not happy about it and it seemed like Hold on guys

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North american mission board first baptist orlando has a pastor on stage. Who's swearing

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And This is you know, I think to myself Others who have gone down that road perry noble and others who have gone down that road.

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It's just mark driscoll mark driscoll So nevertheless after the message

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I went over and I said to the brother Hey, what if you know first peter chapter 1 verse 16 be holy for I am holy and I handed him the note and Left my name and number.

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He called me back. We talked it through And um, and he actually said man, i'm sorry and I appreciate you mentioning that I I should not have done that and he said johnny hunt is my personal pastor and I And he'd be you know ashamed of me for doing that And that was before we found out what johnny did right?

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Not too sure how ashamed he'd be but yeah, go ahead. Yeah before all this Yeah, you see how everything's falling apart

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Yeah Well, anyway, I called danny up or emailed him or uh, and and said hey, did you correct the brother for you know?

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That's your role or david one and No response then at our meeting together.

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He responded and he said well when I asked him Did you correct him? Did you call him and say listen that's not going to happen at first baptist orlando?

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We're not going to tolerate in the back of my mind. This is very light in comparison to A pastor calling the cornerstone christ the lgbt community.

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Yeah, so there's a history Of not correcting blatant, you know sin Yeah, yeah, if david youth won't correct that You sure don't expect him to correct him for them

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I'm, like calling to righteousness a standard here. We have a standard the word of god

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Then it's not being adhered to and i've got Friends at first orlando that are going down this downgrade.

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And so if the best that we can do is say hey We got to talk about this and i'm going to do the best that I possibly can

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Well, he danny flat out said I wasn't offended And that's telling yeah, it is

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Wasn't offended by a pastor using Profanity from the pope it wasn't that didn't offend him

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Wasn't offended wasn't offended at a pastor using profanity preaching on prayer in front of pastors

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On behalf of the church Wasn't offended now

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He said that that's his words and It was in I mean all of us know that and so nevertheless

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All of these things all of these things add up and add up and get to the point and at the end of our

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Podcast today. There's going to be some shocking information for those who have said to Us, you know

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Whatever, you know, they're questioning whether or not what we've talked about is true or not well

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The north american mission board is partnering with first baptist orlando to plant churches and if you go on to Let's see,

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I guess it's the sin networks, uh values the previous president heidi lewis pastor of blueprint church in atlanta, he's

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Like I said the previous president now the president is vance pitman, but nevertheless, here's what the printed values

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Say they actually have restoration through the great requirement they're adding

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Words called the great requirement to the gospel and Here is the first paragraph here chapter seven

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Last sentence we have tragically missed a key component of the gospel

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Now I thought about that justin The north american mission board here has published values through their sin network through pastor lewis here and he is saying

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We all have tragically missed a key component to the gospel

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Did you did you know that all of your professors have gotten the gospel wrong and you your whole life?

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You've got the gospel wrong. You've missed it. Justin. I've been i've been preaching the wrong gospel. Apparently every holy spirit indwelt believer for the last two thousand years

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Until the last few years when social justice came on the scene We've all been preaching a false gospel because up until about You know five six years ago

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Nobody not no evangelicals preaching social justice What an audacious claim.

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Well, I guess they Apparently nobody's gone to heaven in the last two thousand years

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Right, and it's all based off of one verse micah 6 8 the great requirement

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So nevertheless we need I guess Nam to tell us how to preach the gospel

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And it tells us that the that it requires us to do justice. This is what they're calling a holistic restoration a holistic

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Restoration to make disciples and here's their words. We have to do holistic restoration to make disciples and we have to address aspects of spiritual emotional economic

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Outward and social dynamics in our communities at sin network We are using four pillars to build the framework of a community restoration now

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They're just simply moving towards humanitarian helping methods and Using social justice and adding it to the gospel.

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There's another pillar here an emotional pillar of brokenness It's an emotional pillar a spiritual pillar an economic pillar the economic pillar

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Is leading churches to partner with communities to heal brokenness and to help people

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Find jobs and keep jobs. The social pillar is addressing the social needs in the community and dealing with what they would say educational disparities and racial reconciliation to reconcile broken aspects of the community

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And You know the list goes on and on and on but here at the end we must like Christ engage in life -on -life disciple making and holistic community

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Restoration we have failed get this This is what they're saying. I mean the reason why

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I'm bringing this up is because NAM's planting churches through our state convention through First Baptist, Orlando in our area and There's woke church plants in our area

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That affects us. Yeah It says we have failed to realize that our

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Refusal to validate our neighbors current struggles is often more offensive than the gospel itself aka your white supremist attitude is so offensive and all of the

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Racial Tenets that are ingrained in the fabric of America have never been confessed and repented of and you haven't been

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Repenting of your whiteness have been transferring power. You haven't been doing social justice and racial reconciliation and that is so offensive

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It's more offensive than the gospel itself. And so I mean this accusation of not preaching what

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I think they would call the full gospel racial reconciliation and the Great Commission is

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Heresy it's a double curse. Yeah, it's the same thing as Galatians chapter 1 was a curse

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It was was addressing as a double curse when you add something to the gospel any anytime you say the gospel is

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That salvation is by grace By grace alone through faith alone and Christ along plus something.

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Yeah, whatever follows that plus Over time eventually that becomes the focus

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That gets all the focus that gets all the attention. It's happened in every other denomination

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You know, look at where the United Methodist Church is now. Look at where the Episcopal denomination is now, you know, they're they're they're off in complete apostasy

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We've seen this movie before We know how it ends. Yeah, and Then so the end the gospel gets lost every single time every single time

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For the Galatians it was Judaism for the Gnosticism add one little thing add one little thing to the gospel.

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It's not that the Galatians were denying Christ or the crucifixion of resurrection.

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They weren't denying that they were just adding just a little bit to it Yeah, Paul said you foolish

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Galatians Chapter three has bewitched you. Mm -hmm

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Yeah, and he also said but even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have

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Preached to you. He's to be accursed As we have said before I say to you now again

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If any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you have received he is to be accursed

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It's a double curse if you go outside of the purity of the gospel You're literally denying the complete deity of the

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Lord Jesus Christ. You're saying that he is not complete He is not fully true You need some type of humanistic effort added to the gospel to save a soul

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We need to help Jesus his his sacrificial death on the cross is not sufficient.

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The Word of God is not sufficient We need to add to it and it's just an old heresy

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Repackaged and a lot of pastors right now would simply say I don't want to get into the details

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I just don't want to know we're okay. I'm good but what we're calling for is for pastors to faithfully shepherd the flock and disclose all of the truth and be aware of what's going on and Educate their flock slowly work within what they will write

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Don't don't slam them with a ton of information and give them too much

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I'll choke them but start sharing with them. That's one little piece at a time

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Maybe break up some of the facts that we have shared into six months But you've got to start somewhere and those pastors who have been faithful to share the truth with their congregation as that happens

01:00:06

They're not shocked and they're ready to leave the SBC a hundred percent and they're like nope

01:00:13

We get it. We comprehend it. You've told us and we see it and it's our decision.

01:00:18

We see it as well. And so They've responded in a healthy way and their churches are in unity

01:00:24

There it's not divisive when you when you're educating them and teaching them the truth along the way.

01:00:30

Yeah Tom, thank you brother for coming on this interview real quick and we're talking about of course

01:00:39

First Baptist Orlando and The fact that David Youth and Danny Dearmus openly say that they have homosexuals transgendered sexually immoral people not just attending their church, but Worshiping and serving in the church and this video.

01:00:58

Of course. We're all also talking about how First Baptist Orlando even baptizes homosexuals, so You had an email exchange with Kevin Ezell at the

01:01:08

North American Mission Board Related to this topic. Can you kind of walk us through that? yeah, when

01:01:15

David Youth did his video and Dearmus as did as well. Of course Dearmus was

01:01:21

I think the chairman of the trustees He was either the chairman or the vice chairman of the trustees of NAM at least

01:01:29

Because I had emails I sent him back in May of 2021 and directly to Danny Dearmus So it's concerning because there's a lot of NAM connections at First Baptist Orlando Obviously, I'm as upset as you are at the kind of debauchery that's going on in that church

01:01:46

At least the overlooking of it at the very least and I would say even More than that there.

01:01:52

They're actually condoning in the way that they're they're handling things But it's one thing for an autonomous church to do something

01:01:58

I think the SBC should certainly put them out of the convention, but it's one thing that they won't do that It's quite another that they would be partnering

01:02:05

First Baptist Church Orlando and NAM would be partnering to plant churches and that's the announcement that David Youth made

01:02:12

That in that video where he talked about that they have LGBT people serving in the church.

01:02:18

Yeah, and so I wrote Kevin Eazell, Dr. Eazell and I said, you know,

01:02:23

I gave him the link to the video with to the very section where David Youth said this and I was concerned about it that we would be somehow supporting that and I Just asked him straightforward.

01:02:38

I said, are you all? Would you a first question I asked is would you all allow in a

01:02:44

NAM funded church plant allow someone that's LGBTQ practicing a or cohabitating remember that's the word that David used, right?

01:02:54

Serving a NAM church plant And and he wrote back and said

01:02:59

Well, you would have to ask First Baptist Church Orlando that he essentially said that you know They work to partner with any churches that are in friendly cooperation with the convention.

01:03:08

He wouldn't answer the question And I responded back to responded again.

01:03:14

I said, Dr. Eazell, I'm not asking you to tell me what First Baptist Orlando's practice is

01:03:19

I'm asking you whether you would whether a NAM plant church would allow that again.

01:03:24

He wouldn't answer it He said well, you know, we'll let our let our missionaries or What do they don't the church plant coordinators planning coordinators the coordinators they coordinate the churches

01:03:37

We would you know, we would leave that up them to oversee it So I write back and say well with a church plant a

01:03:43

NAM church planning coordinator What would they do if they found out that a NAM church plant had an

01:03:49

LGBT person serving and They didn't went answer that and that he passed me off to somebody else

01:03:55

He quit talking to me and Pat and somebody else started writing me back And he gave me the exact same answer that Kevin gave me the first time it's almost like that they have these

01:04:07

Little button they push and it pops out what I can sort of see. It's the same answer every time We recommend you contact

01:04:13

First Baptist Church Orlando and at and this is a local church matter I'm like, you already know what

01:04:19

First Baptist Orlando is doing It's not a local church matter about NAM funded church plants because if my church gives to NAM That means that some of that money could go plant a church with First Baptist So I think

01:04:34

I had at least Seven emails, maybe more where I continue to press the click.

01:04:40

They wouldn't answer it. So I asked it again And every and then I got down to the point where all

01:04:46

I was asking was do you have intentions? To partner with First Baptist Church Orlando to plant a church.

01:04:53

That's a straightforward question, right? Are there any plans? They wrote back and said you would need to call

01:04:59

First Baptist Church Orlando to ask them what I mean They won't answer a simple question unbelievable and the reason they won't the only thing that makes sense is

01:05:08

The reason they won't is because they have every intention in the world of partnering with First Baptist Church, Orlando to plant churches

01:05:14

Yep, and they're more than willing to look the other way Regarding baptizing homosexuals or whatever else that First Baptist Church, Orlando is involved in doing.

01:05:24

Yeah. Oh It You cannot send money to the

01:05:30

North American Mission Board every Southern Rebs Church Needs to stop that and here's the thing Justin my church can't do one thing

01:05:37

About First Baptist Church, Orlando can't do a thing. I can't put them out of the SBC I can't practice any type of discipline

01:05:46

There's nothing that I could do at all except pray that God will change them And if they won't change be removed from the convention

01:05:52

But every SBC Church can stop giving money to the North American Mission Board and quit funding this kind of garbage

01:06:00

It took me two years to get them to admit that they had women preachers took two years to get for me

01:06:07

Even though I had visual pictures videos and all these other things took two years to get them to admit that How long will it take us to get get them to admit that they have

01:06:17

LGBT people serving in? Churches that you're that my church when we were in the

01:06:24

SBC funding them. We're not funding them We haven't been for a while or other churches that are funding them

01:06:29

So you're sending money to go fund that kind of garbage if you give to them Yep.

01:06:35

Yep. That's the bottom line. That's the bottom line. That's where your money is going So I didn't want it to go there given to it

01:06:43

That's you know, that's but at least be honest with your church and show them what you're supporting do a missions report with Joe Mills Facebook page sometime

01:06:51

And see how that goes over on Sunday Yeah, not too good.

01:06:59

Not what we pretty no and Yeah, that's that's gonna be later in this video. But for those watching.

01:07:05

Yes Yeah, the the really troubling stuff is yet to come in the video and that will all be explained

01:07:11

Yeah, am I laughing it's not because I think that it's funny. I'm just saying it's out so outrageous

01:07:17

It makes you you're just like what is this? I don't allow this to go on Yeah, it's it's just I mean who would have dreamed five six plus years ago that we would even be having this discussion

01:07:30

I don't think anybody would have ever even dreamed. This would be going on in the SBC But here we know that in every denomination that's gone liberal it begins with egalitarianism and it means the

01:07:41

LGBT stuff Yep, it one once they start affirming women in ministry. They will eventually affirm homosexuals in ministry.

01:07:49

Yep, and that's a fact 100 % 100 % we've seen this movie before it's happened in every other denomination that's done it.

01:07:58

Yep. We know how it ends Yeah All right. Well Tom.

01:08:04

Thank you, brother. Thank you for helping helping us see this and Sharing your well -valued

01:08:09

Well -founded concerns appreciate you brother. Thank you for exposing it. It needs to be yeah, okay

01:08:17

One other thing about Pastor David youth when we were talking in our meeting. He said specifically that sanctification starts after baptism and I thought we would just kind of think through that a little bit because when he said we believe around here that Sanctification starts after baptism.

01:08:36

I thought about that. So I'm gonna repeat it again. We just believe around here He was pushing back on the fact that homosexuals were being baptized at the church

01:08:45

So he did not deny that homosexuals were being baptized at First Baptist, Orlando. He said we just believe around here that Sanctification starts after baptism and yeah, okay

01:08:59

People need to hear this. He's not denying and we're about to prove it But he's not denying that they baptized homosexuals, but he says that Sanctification starts after baptism, where's justification fit in here well,

01:09:21

I mean Casey this is stunning and he told me correct me if I'm wrong, but if memory serves it was either

01:09:29

David or Danny you told you that When you asked them about baptism in this issue and what all is going on and there's they said we're still trying to figure it out

01:09:39

Yeah, you're still trying to figure out baptism Mm -hmm the whole thing church membership serving

01:09:47

Baptism, you know, they're still trying to figure that out. I Yeah, how are you?

01:09:54

How are you a pastor? He's been a pastor for who knows how many years And you haven't You don't understand baptism.

01:10:01

Yeah, and it's stunning to me Yeah, but when you think about it when he says we believe around here

01:10:08

Now that is no different than the Catholic Church forcing their people to believe their catechisms or their church doctrine or their apocrypha as authoritative alongside of the scriptures and so it's

01:10:25

Heresy it's it's the same fundamental mistake that the

01:10:30

Methodist Church has made with Jonathan Wesley or John Wesley when they started hearing to the sayings of John Wesley as Just as authoritative as the scriptures.

01:10:39

They even on their website. It's just as Authoritative so they would quote that and that's how they've gone down these paths and whenever you adhere to the church's doctrine what we believe around here

01:10:50

Rather than the Word of God Then you just simply opened up Pandora's box it's the same thing that happened with evolution in Genesis chapter 1 when you break the historical account of Genesis chapter 1 and you turn it into poetry and you squeeze millions of years and rather than six literal days and So nevertheless these old things just simply resurface

01:11:14

But you can spot them if you listen and you can spot where they've gone off the rails

01:11:20

You just simply have to listen and think rather than just swallow it whole so nevertheless they definitely are

01:11:29

Keeping things ambiguous on purpose as to capitalize off of it.

01:11:35

They know how to run a church. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, there's no way they don't there's no way he doesn't understand at least intellectually

01:11:44

Believers baptism Regeneration justification, there's no way he doesn't at least intellectually understand these things your basic Yeah Basic doctrine, but apparently they're not heartfelt convictions

01:12:01

Because he doesn't obey what he clearly knows so if sanctification starts at baptism where Where does justification fit in where you know?

01:12:13

It's just like becoming a Christian by osmosis you just kind of You you get baptized and that's the first step to becoming

01:12:21

More acquainted with Christ or so. I mean that yeah Yeah That makes no sense that is

01:12:31

Profoundly unbiblical Yeah, it is terrible and you know having a heart for The people who may watch the video who may be sitting underneath a pastor whom they don't know if he is going down this

01:12:47

Road or not. I thought I'd rattle off Some buzzwords some things that they may be listening for is to see if it's my pastor following The model of First Baptist Orlando or the standard model in the

01:13:01

Southern Baptist Convention right now Yeah well the first red flag would be this if the pastor is not teaching against Social justice and critical race theory that would be your first red flag because to remain neutral is simply to permit it to creep in Yeah, there are certainly not people who are willing to not fight for it so those who believe and the millions upon millions and even billions of dollars from our government and Doing training at fortune 500 companies

01:13:36

I mean there are woke workshops happening across our country We're doing these videos and we're talking about the local church

01:13:44

But a lot of people are dealing with this on a first -hand basis at their workplace

01:13:49

And if they are not doing woke agenda type things and social justice type things and racial

01:13:55

Reconciliation type things and the list goes on and on and on and on on and on if they're not doing these things that they

01:14:00

Could get fired. They could not get raises The list is just poor I mean the first -hand testimonies that I sit and listen to or horrifying and so there are people in our congregations

01:14:13

Around the entire planet who are dealing with this and if a pastor is not Educating on it.

01:14:19

He's complicit to it and There's no reason for a pastor to be ignorant to it at all

01:14:24

This is this is what our people need to know and they need to know how to survive a shepherd

01:14:31

Guards and protects the sheep Period we must be making our sheep aware

01:14:36

And so if they're not teaching it's a real big red flag ask your pastor Educate our church as to how we can stand against these woke initiatives against critical race theory clarify these for us

01:14:50

Yeah, so you got kingdom diversity is a hot word. You've got cultural engagement white privilege racial reconciliation

01:14:59

Empowerment for women talking about economics intersectionality analytical tool affirmation of the oppressed minority systematic justice

01:15:09

Reparations and you got people like James Cone's Eric Mason. Dr. Martin Luther King Malcolm X Others so if you got this type of stuff creeping in those are some of the hot words that you can look for social binary if there's ever any criticism of Patriarchy or Such if there's any references to a

01:15:31

Frankfurt school if there's ever any references to lived experience lived experience being more authoritative than the

01:15:40

Word of God They would say that a minority has lived through something that a white person hasn't so they have more truth and White people need to repent and listen to that truth.

01:15:52

And that's where truth is. It's not found in the scriptures You found a lived experience, right?

01:15:57

So all of these things, especially the LGBTQ plus movement and such it's

01:16:03

And in the feminist movement all of these things which you've already covered in so many videos are tied together

01:16:10

And this is how you just listen and watch out for these things and then you can help protect your own

01:16:16

Block as well. So it's it's important for us to be able to Equip people to know how to defend themselves against this because like the folks at First Baptist, Orlando It creeps in over years and it really sounds good on the surface we discussed

01:16:32

Tony Evans and his presentation of critical race theory and Urban initiatives and such on the last video and if anybody went and searched out

01:16:42

Tony Evans's Approach to it. It is very convincing unless You take point for point for point and think it through objectively and you think it through the biblical worldview and you think it through with your

01:16:56

Bible open and you research the subjects and you Understand the context of the passages that are being referenced.

01:17:03

So we have to be good Berean Bible study Students in order to see all of these things

01:17:12

All right, Casey now moving to the pictures okay, so this

01:17:20

This kind of centers around a group a Bible study group at First Baptist, Orlando called the gospel gathering

01:17:29

Right. Okay, right How did you first hear about the gospel gathering?

01:17:35

Yeah, so a prior first Baptist member came to me and told me that there was a

01:17:40

Bible study that I need to be made aware of and that what we were sharing online was in fact true and more and We could find these public pictures on a

01:17:53

Facebook page to kind of verify So that some even at First Orlando who wouldn't believe what we would sit have said could see the facts and Obviously, I mean it needs to be cleared up David and Danny need to publicly clean all of this up if they are true shepherds, but this is telltale and This is you know putting the fork in this this is a done deal

01:18:20

You and I have told the truth And we've been affirmed over and over and over again countless amounts of times and Now it's time to just say okay guys

01:18:35

In good conscience with a pure heart We want to share the complete facts with you for which are completely available for you to see yourself online

01:18:44

Yeah, and so for the gentleman, this is not secret. This is open.

01:18:50

Oh you go to Facebook That's where that's where this is, right? yeah, we were shown where this is and not given this information just shown where to go and and so people can go to the gap gospel gathering of First Baptist Church of Orlando Bible study group and See what we're going to show when more we've just kind of selected the pictures that verify what we've been talking about Yeah, and before we get going obviously our heart is for the people

01:19:25

Yeah Yes and our intentions are for the truth to refine their lives and for them to grow in sanctification to repent of sin and to come to Christ if they're not saved or Correct their lifestyle and you know first John 5 one for whatever is born of God overcomes the world

01:19:46

Yeah, so true believers overcome especially the sin of homosexuality in an even

01:19:54

SSA same -sex Attraction. Mm -hmm. And so we take these thoughts captive and we repent of them and we pray and we change our mind

01:20:03

Romans chapter 12 talks about how we can have a renewing of the mind This is a process that God does through sanctification

01:20:11

But you have to pursue that as he works it in you And so this is our hope and prayer for them because no homosexual is going to inherit the kingdom of God It's very clear and we want them to be able to have eternal life in Jesus Christ So the truth

01:20:26

I know it seems is not being shared there at First Baptist, Orlando They may say that homosexuality is a sin, but they're conflating it with the same as maybe

01:20:37

Anger is a sin and Those are two different things

01:20:43

Angers knock on this send you to hell But the same way God treated Sodom and Gomorrah and he turned people over from his chapter 1 to a depraved mind that is

01:20:51

God's line in the sand and homosexuality Andre for what JD Greer and Ed Litton and other press

01:20:58

BC president Bart Barber and in James Merritt have said that homosexuality will not send you to hell it will scriptures say that it does and So that is our plea

01:21:11

Listen guys, you're you're already in Bible study this this gospel gather the gospel gathering

01:21:17

You've already got your Bibles open You need nothing else except to adhere to the scriptures and it's our prayer that you would and so You guys decide now we want to share truth with everybody else who may have announced some doubt left in them

01:21:33

Yeah, I mean Okay well in case after I talked to you on that phone and I you were telling me about the gospel gathering and so I went on Facebook and at full disclosure.

01:21:46

I don't know how to use Facebook. I still don't really know how to use it Good friend of mine maintains the ministry

01:21:52

Facebook page so he posts stuff for me and so I kind of had to navigate this a little bit, but we were told what to look up and And the name and so we did our son.

01:22:05

So well, you and I both did but I went on and I Stumbled around and found it and I Spent more time on Facebook like the other day than I've ever spent my entire life put together

01:22:19

But here and there I'm not on Facebook either Yeah Yeah, so well, but anyway,

01:22:28

I figured it out enough to To find these pictures that you told me about and there are a lot of them

01:22:34

So let's go through these Casey. You have them printed out there What's the first one?

01:22:41

The first one, you know again, my prayer is for Yes, sir.

01:22:46

Joe Mills And this is just a picture of him you know

01:22:53

It says Joe Mills the gospel gathering first Baptist Church this

01:22:58

Sunday and then you know He's with a couple folks too late. Yeah, so so Okay, so so far like no big deal, but we see from coming pictures

01:23:12

Joe Mills, let's go to the to the second one Yep, so Joe Mills again the gospel gathering

01:23:20

Tonight we studied the book of John. So if you have pictures of them in Bible study and When you post those pictures, it'll be clearly seen so they are definitely studying the

01:23:33

Bible They've got their Bibles open and they're reading the gospel of John praise God. Okay, so far so good

01:23:41

Connected dots, you know, yeah, we're connected. We're gonna be connecting these dots. So the next picture

01:23:48

Joe Mills again with Four others or several others whatever at the gospel gathering.

01:23:55

So this is their Bible study group The gospel gathering and there's the picture of them

01:24:03

Joe Joe Mills is is there Maybe he's one take picture. But anyway the background that's that's telling the background the courtyard there.

01:24:12

That's first Baptist, Orlando Right, okay, correct They're there in Faith Hall right beside the coffee shop and that's the new courtyard that they've installed there.

01:24:22

So, okay The gospel gathering is definitely a Bible study and Joe Mills is definitely a

01:24:29

Bible study there at first Baptist, Orlando Yeah Next picture. There's Joe Mills gospel gathering again, and he this was on April 15th, and so they have some kind of a

01:24:43

Footwashing kind of a deal there where they We met at the homeless mission.

01:24:49

So, you know doing good philanthropical things Says this

01:24:55

Friday on Passover and the most amazing opportunity along with my brothers and sisters from first Baptist, Orlando So there it is a foot washing ceremony with first Baptist, Orlando The gospel gathering

01:25:07

Joe Mills and again, you can you can hear the heart of Joe Mills. This man is yeah Yeah, I'm sure

01:25:14

I'm sure he's a very nice guy and I would love for him to come to Pula Baptist Church I'd love for them to come.

01:25:23

I'd love to share the truth of God's Word and lead him to righteousness in Christ He looks just like a very very genuine man

01:25:33

Yeah, yeah sincerely Right. Yeah, he you know, obviously neither one of us have ever met him

01:25:41

But just what we've seen on his Facebook page. He he seemed like a nice guy Now then the next this is where we kind of get into some our first major red flag

01:25:56

The next picture. This is just a screenshot of a description on Facebook of the gospel gathering

01:26:03

Bible study and about this group We are a group of Christian believers that want to worship

01:26:10

God in a safe and non -judgmental environment Where all are welcome okay, so Non -judgmental safe and non -judgmental, but especially non -judgmental.

01:26:24

That's that's kind of the first like red flag, right? Those are tag words.

01:26:29

Those are tag words. Yes. Yes those words have Have meaning have kind of imported intrinsic meaning in a particular context.

01:26:39

So that's your first Yeah, yeah code for LGBT code for me.

01:26:45

Yes Not not not just welcoming but affirming because we welcome You know any good church is going to welcome anybody to come in the doors and learn about the

01:26:54

Lord Jesus Christ to attend to attend but not to Not to be a member not to serve

01:27:01

Yes to sit in the pew and listen to the word talk sure, of course, yeah That's the extent

01:27:07

I advise them not to put it in a place of service not to put a you know A church shirt on them and not to affirm them publicly

01:27:16

You know not to start a gospel gathering Bible study you know and Grow it.

01:27:23

Yeah. Yeah All right. So the next picture This is where any doubts as to what we're dealing with are laid to rest, right

01:27:36

Joe Mills, this is dated December 4th, 2021. So this is not long ago

01:27:43

He says after 26 years of life's ups and downs heartaches and joy today is our wedding day and He proposed to Mario I guess apparently on February 19th, 2021, and I guess they got married on December 4th 2021 so Joe and Mario are homosexuals

01:28:08

Yeah, and they got quote -unquote married now I say quote -unquote married because you and I understand

01:28:15

I want everybody to understand that Only God defines marriage God.

01:28:20

It's his creation. He defines it not the United States Supreme Court So you and I Casey we would not say

01:28:27

We would not affirm that these two men are married they may have a

01:28:33

According to the US Constitution Did I say the United States Supreme Court? According to the

01:28:38

United States Supreme Court, you know, they're they're married legally but they are not married in God's eyes because God defines marriage not the

01:28:46

United States Supreme Court, but anyway, so Yeah, so these are these are two homosexual men and they're quote -unquote married next picture

01:29:00

There's a picture of their wedding day on December. Well, at least this was posted I guess on December 6th.

01:29:05

So There they are and their tuxes At the church wherever that is

01:29:12

Chapel, whatever Next picture

01:29:18

That's them cutting the cake wedding cake next picture posted by Joe and Luca or Luca is our 85 -pound

01:29:30

Doberman baby. Of course, that's Mario is his quote -unquote husband So these two men are

01:29:41

Married and living together and yet I don't know for sure that Mario is a member of the gospel gathering, but certainly

01:29:52

Joe is this Bible study group, but Next picture is just another picture of them

01:30:01

Getting married walking down the aisle Yeah, I don't know which church that is that they're getting married in you know, yeah

01:30:09

There's some historic pews there and historic floors, but I don't know. I think it's actually in Winter Park a reference that I remember reading

01:30:16

Yeah, okay Right now Casey this is a screenshot the next picture of his likes now

01:30:27

Again, I'm ignorant of Facebook's on didn't even I wasn't even real sure how I like worked But I called a buddy of mine who helps me with a lot of tech stuff.

01:30:35

He's in another state not in Idaho. But anyway He's on my board of directors

01:30:40

Josh Comstock great guy. But anyway, he's he's helping me Kind of navigate

01:30:46

Facebook or call him telling kind of what we're what we're doing and trying to figure this out and asking for some

01:30:51

Help, so he got on his computer 400 miles away. He got on the same Facebook page he found it and so he's kind of helping me navigate this

01:31:00

These are the likes and so your likes on your Facebook page are Things you like people you like organizations you like whatever

01:31:11

And so this is a screenshot of some of the things that Joe mill likes the first one is cowboy hunt

01:31:22

So I move my cursor over it, you know, and it blows up and gives you description and cowboy hunt is

01:31:32

A place created for the sole purpose of gay Countrymen to be able to meet other countrymen alike

01:31:41

Country it's a way of life. So apparently a gay like what do you call that again?

01:31:50

Dating site, I guess Have no idea It's pretty telltale as to what his desires are there and they're not godly desires

01:32:03

And so right. This is definitely a call to repentance And because this secret area of his life are now made public in public

01:32:13

I guess before we even ran across it But yeah, apparently he he has no problem with them being public.

01:32:19

It's his public. It's open for anyone to see right and I am

01:32:27

Floored because What it leads to when you have these types of links you're only one step away from Yeah Full -fledged evil really dark stuff.

01:32:43

Yeah, really dark stuff now I had no desire to to click this obviously it's just Just the thing that popped up when you put your cursor over it.

01:32:56

And so I took a little screenshot. So so these are Currently his likes these are on his page right now

01:33:05

That so this is what he's promoting Yeah Now the this next one

01:33:13

Another thing that he likes this Joshua Dean Flores so so on first Baptist Website, they're not website.

01:33:27

But but a Bible study that's connected to first Baptist the gospel gathering independent

01:33:32

Facebook page Is linked directly to the members to? Homosexual porn and This is an issue

01:33:43

This has got to be headed off from from the pastors you have to foresee these problems as a shepherd and stop them before Innocent ones are allured into this lifestyle, right?

01:33:57

Right, you know and we're not saying that David youth or Danny Dearmus knows this

01:34:02

I like what they do or not. So we're not making that assertion, but It is a problem because This is someone under your care under your spiritual your shepherding

01:34:14

Who is act an active part of your church? Yeah And believe me, it's not fun when you catch, you know

01:34:25

Wind up something going on in your church that is not above board, you know, Matthew chapter 18 is it's not the funnest church

01:34:34

But To make the right decision to go in and talk with your people and to align them with Christ is best for the unity of the church best for the soul and it's being a faithful shepherd and when you permit

01:34:51

These types of lifestyles. This is what's going to spread and It gets real dark

01:34:58

Real fast so obviously we're dealing with a so -called marriage that is unfaithful and Toxic and now

01:35:10

Sin doesn't stay put Yeah, sin spreads.

01:35:15

Yeah, it's never satisfied Yeah, and it eats the innocent there are innocent people who will be absorbed by this and at the very least the wonderful people whom

01:35:33

I've spoken to who are who have came out of the lifestyle have shared with me personally in my office that when a homosexual is coming out of the lifestyle is when they are most vulnerable and to have a

01:35:49

Bible study that is affirmed by the church Means that they

01:35:57

Slip back into the lifestyle really easily. It's a slippery slope.

01:36:02

It's hard to come out of Homosexuality. It's a death grip. It's it's horrible and so for that For those who are coming out of the lifestyle to see a

01:36:13

Bible study going on. It's very confusing for them and Now you've got good people who are trying to do the right thing and come out of the lifestyle now who are compromised

01:36:24

That's the very least that's happening With committing this it's hard to talk about.

01:36:32

It's very very Sensitive and and I want to be sensitive to those who are making the effort and who have failed in this area and who have remorse

01:36:42

And and you were climbing out of the depths of sin so nevertheless

01:36:49

This is not going to help them. This is going to harm them. Right, right. Yeah, it is.

01:36:55

Absolutely If you if you do a

01:37:01

Google search on this Joshua Dean Flores It it comes up I guess apparently there's a

01:37:08

Twitter account and says Some results may be explicit so Yeah, so this is this is

01:37:17

This is extremely dark sinful stuff that is not that this is

01:37:26

You can't be a regenerate person and be promoting this kind of stuff.

01:37:32

I even even be in it yourself much less Promoting it right in his likes.

01:37:38

It's what he's promoting this next picture from Joe They February 11th, he's at First Baptist, Orlando and So they had you know, like it, of course, this is a large group

01:37:53

So that's not all the the gospel gathering that apparently the gospel gathering was there with a bunch of other stuff

01:37:59

But but there's David youth teaching, right It is further ties to gather all the details that this

01:38:08

These people are at First Baptist, Orlando The gospel gathering is a Bible study there at First Baptist, Orlando and The next picture shows that Danny knows them.

01:38:19

Yeah. Yeah, Danny. Danny knows he's aware He they're very the leadership

01:38:26

David and Danny are aware of the gospel gathering group and this next picture

01:38:33

Casey is is Joe being baptized? so It made you those made new t -shirts, that's what

01:38:44

First Baptist, Orlando, that's what they give people who are being baptized That's what they get baptized in Which is okay, so who are we looking at Joe's the guy in the middle who are the other two guys?

01:38:56

Danny to the right Chris Bacon is behind. He's the youth pastor Danny Dearmus senior associate pastor to the right in the blue cap and in the back

01:39:06

Chris bacon Chris bacon Chris bacon. He's the youth minister Mm -hmm, and it's and it's very probable that Chris would not know him

01:39:16

The youth are you know, it's it's just so big you you cannot know everybody

01:39:22

But like the picture that you have had before this one with It Danny come into the

01:39:30

Bible study to teach I mean it says the gospel gathering this week.

01:39:36

We're so excited to have pastor Danny teach our Bible study class and As our Bible study grows, we are so blessed to have such a diverse group of people so Danny has taught the gospel gathering

01:39:51

He knows them. Yeah, and I was told personally That he gave his affirmation to the group.

01:39:58

It says now you can grow and So he put his blessing upon the group he knows them he's said that they can grow and now he has baptized him and so nevertheless, it's it's just irrefutable and You and I do we want to do that now we know none of this is something that we enjoy know that we want to but We want the souls for those who are in danger to be warned

01:40:30

Ezekiel 33 Warrant with true prophets are going to warn and we want them to repent and be right with Christ and the same thought at the

01:40:38

Same time for the rest of the people at the church Yeah, if they could see what is true

01:40:45

It could be made right or they need to leave it's time to get out If they don't have any sense at all that there's any leadership that's going to stand up at the deacons are not going to stand up The pastoral staff is not going to stand up if there's nothing's going to happen by now

01:40:59

It is it is time to cut your losses and not be guilty by association

01:41:06

Protect your children protect yourself get out of the pan and Move and find a gospel center church, but this is irrefutable

01:41:16

Yeah, this is irrefutable This is irrefutable and and this is not it's not like this is the only time this has happened

01:41:23

You have heard from multiple people that this this happens at first,

01:41:29

Orlando. It happens So this is just one example and there's many more

01:41:35

I've had, you know Predominant pastors just not believe that this is happening.

01:41:40

It can't and I Sympathize with that. I'm like, there's no way

01:41:45

I remember when I first heard about it and I said to myself I've got to go see it for myself

01:41:51

There's just no way and And when you go and you see that there have been

01:42:00

Open Homosexual men in places of service with first Baptist t -shirts on all around the worship center in the new here tents or whatnot or You just like man, you know

01:42:16

Lord, please help Conviction to fall and to be a blessing to them and to lead them to the truth and Your heart goes out.

01:42:27

It's hard to believe these things. These truths are are really tough But it's just like the doctor who tells the patient who has cancer that they have cancer

01:42:37

They're always thankful that they perhaps they could catch it in time. Yeah, and they're always thankful for the truth

01:42:44

What would a cancer patient say to a doctor if the doctor did not tell them they had cancer, yeah, that's right liar

01:42:53

We're not liars. We're not shrinking back acts 2020 says that I did not shrink back from declaring to you anything

01:43:00

That was profitable. And so this is the hard work of the shepherd to protect the sheep

01:43:06

It's not always glorious But at the end of the day it is at the end of the day when repentance sets in Then revival comes and the joy of the

01:43:17

Lord comes and there's nothing that God cannot heal There's nothing beyond redemption here

01:43:24

We just want to get the truth out to the folks here and I pray the best for everyone who sees this video

01:43:31

Yeah, amen, brother. Amen indeed and I would Yeah, I would just add that you know

01:43:41

If you're if you're watching this video and you Maybe maybe if you're a member there at First Orlando, you're going there and you

01:43:50

Casey I get emails from people pretty regularly and they'll say it's kind of a long list Justin I realize now that I'm in a weak church

01:43:58

It's teaching some bad things and the pastors not not teaching sound doctrine and you know on and on Should I say but I realize the truth

01:44:09

I see the truth now I'm growing in Christ. I'm growing in my knowledge of the word. I Feel like I should stay and be a source of light there to hopefully kind of change

01:44:20

The church and I'll always tell people don't do that You're not gonna change the church

01:44:26

You're not no matter how sincere you are no matter how good your intentions no matter how honorable before the

01:44:33

Lord You're not gonna change the church A Congregation is not going to rise to a level of spiritual maturity above that of its leadership.

01:44:41

It's just not gonna happen So and if you're in one of those churches That is not a biblically defined church.

01:44:49

It's not being led by biblically qualified men And not to get off into the weeds too much here, but the biblical model is a plurality of elders if you don't have that then then

01:45:03

You're not in a real church anyway, you're just in a social club, so So don't try to change it.

01:45:09

You're not going to leave and find a good doctrinally sound church that does expositional preaching

01:45:15

That's led by biblically qualified men That does church discipline as you were talking about for Matthew 18 find that church and join yourself to it and Because it's only there that you'll truly be able to grow in Christ, and you'll be able to use your spiritual gifts and You know do the one and others of Scripture of the

01:45:37

New Testament, and so yeah, don't Don't try to change you're not going to just find a good church

01:45:49

Casey as we begin to kind of land here let's go through a few of the

01:45:54

Objections that we've heard and there's one guy in particular that sent you he's he's got I'll just say it.

01:46:00

I don't care Faith on fires get his name's Brian. I don't know his last name is but he's got a YouTube channel faith on fire

01:46:06

He's done a lot of videos refuting me Taking me to task on various things.

01:46:13

He's Theologically, he's he's Arminian. He's very Very opposed to the doctrine of election, so he's very

01:46:20

Arminian, but he's also charismatic and he's also egalitarian in fact his

01:46:26

Seems to me from what I can see his most passionate issue is is women preachers

01:46:32

He really champions women preachers women pastors, so at any rate. That's who he is so he's he's he wrote you an email a long one and Really took you to task

01:46:45

I guess because he lives in the Orlando area and so you're there But one of the points he makes is it paraphrasing here you shouldn't be doing this

01:46:56

Casey because You you should not expect all of your church members to agree with you on every little thing

01:47:04

And so that's apparently what we're saying here where but that's not the point. We're making at all is it no

01:47:11

You know, I mean, it's it's simple and Titus 113 for this reason all of these

01:47:18

Disqualifying reasons for elders. It says for this reason Reprove them severely so that they may be sound in the faith.

01:47:27

And so our Corrections are so that they would be sound in the faith

01:47:33

It's it's not to destroy anybody. It's to help everybody and They're held at a higher standard because they're shepherds.

01:47:42

They're pastors. They're gonna be held at a higher account at judgment Yeah, and so they need to be reproved severely and even publicly and you know that's one of the things that brings fear into the shepherd because we're handling the

01:47:56

Word of God and Our words matter. So nevertheless.

01:48:01

Yeah. Yeah Yeah, sit me up. Yeah along with Speculative.

01:48:10

Yeah Like you said you you nailed his theological framework he would fit in right now with Danny and David really well

01:48:16

So I kind of wonder if he's a member there. I as he look I have not seen Okay.

01:48:23

Yeah, I don't know where he goes to church or if I'm assuming he does somewhere but yeah But but yeah, we're not saying that everybody has to agree with us on every little every little

01:48:36

Dot and tittle of every little thing, you know, I I don't I don't know Casey I don't know if you believe that Exodus was in the 13th or the 15th century

01:48:44

BC. I've never asked you that, you know I'm not sure I can trust you until I figure that out. We're not talking about things like that What we're talking about these are fundamental issues.

01:48:54

These are primary doctrine gospel issues We're not talking about every little so that's a dumb argument to make

01:49:03

He did a video Taking me to test specifically Saying that what we were saying about first Baptist Orlando is wrong because of their doctrinal statement he went and such kind of search this kind of fuller doctrinal statement from first Baptist Orlando and And he put it on a screen and said see they it says right here that they

01:49:25

Believe that homosexuality is a sin and marriages between one man one woman and all that and he said, you know

01:49:32

So Justin is lying about first Baptist Orlando. Here's their doctrinal statement Well, so I saw that and I just did a quick Google search

01:49:41

I took like a sentence out of that doctrinal statement put it in the Google window and clicked it and It took me all of 30 seconds to realize

01:49:51

This is this is a copied and pasted doctrinal statement that first Baptist Orlando did not even write

01:49:57

And it's being used by hundreds at least of Maybe thousands.

01:50:04

I don't know but but bare minimum hundreds of churches It's a stamp.

01:50:09

It's a copied and pasted thing. Yeah, and so they didn't write it I don't know who wrote it the first time but certainly wasn't first Orlando and it's being used by a lot of different churches from a lot of different denominations, which

01:50:21

I found very interesting Baptist Methodist Presbyterian even a

01:50:27

Lutheran Church at least one that I saw and that was just within a couple of minutes So it you know, you don't have to be

01:50:32

Columbo to figure Figure this out. So there's a lot of churches

01:50:38

That teach against their own doctrinal statement. Mm -hmm I mean you can go to Lakewood Church Joel Osteen Church and their doctrinal statement is

01:50:48

I mean It's nothing to write home about but it would pass a basic doctrinal smell test right

01:50:55

And it even affirms the exclusivity of Christ and yet I've got Joel Osteen on video multiple occasions

01:51:02

Denying the exclusivity of Christ. So at churches teach against their own doctrinal statement all the time they just and a lot of them just you know, they find a doctrinal statement copy paste it and stick it on the website and My guess is the great great great majority of people at that church and probably even on staff members haven't even read it much less

01:51:22

Did they write it? Mm -hmm. So the most common doctrinal statement is the Baptist faith message for Southern Baptist churches and obviously they platform women preachers all the time and it says explicitly very specifically that women preachers are not what the

01:51:38

Baptist faith message holds to and So it's a case in point. Yeah, right

01:51:45

So another thing he's saying is this is we're gossiping. Are we gossiping? Are we guilty of the sin of gossip in these videos?

01:51:52

No, we're not slandering anybody or gossiping about anything stating the facts comparing them to scripture simply using some good old biblical common sense and Everyone is called to be a good steward to manage their heart and mind correctly.

01:52:08

Yeah, right, right He yeah He's called you to denounce everything you've ever done and repent and he began his attack on us saying that we were wrong in our

01:52:20

Facts, I guess he can't say that anymore. He hasn't I think he realized with our last video. He can't say that anymore

01:52:25

So now it's just saying that we're so this is not gossip Gossip is saying things about other people that you do not know to be true with the intent of hurting everything that we have said is true and then something and I think it's safe to say that you and I just even what we know is only the tip of the iceberg of What's going on there?

01:52:46

Oh, I have not been able to share Full disclosure And I haven't been able to bring up but little tips

01:52:55

I mean, you've got lives who are hanging on a thread right now trying to you know rebound and recover and to give any

01:53:05

Specifics of their life would give their identity away and that would just simply be horrible It would cause insert insult to you know an injury and and that can't be so and so nevertheless

01:53:17

Now we'd be here for another four or five ten hours if I was to open up and really share but Justin, you know, this is really truly a ministry that you have and it reaches people where they're at people have cell phones and laptops and everything and they watch videos and they can share and people can share videos whom they know are in trouble or hurt and And this is a real ministry.

01:53:48

So I commend how God is working through you to reveal truth your last video with Clef O'Dollar was very

01:53:58

Very good. It was brilliant Because on the onset, I mean most people would hear what he had to say is genuine genuine repentance

01:54:09

But it was anything but and so this is same thing that you hear from You know the stage there first Baptist, Orlando.

01:54:18

Well, it sounds good But when you take it to the scriptures and you do faithful Bible study, it's it's anything

01:54:26

But so we should not be yielding our souls to catch phrases

01:54:32

To short sermon series that are encouraging. This is not preaching the full counsel of God This is not edifying the sheep.

01:54:41

It's not growing them 2nd Timothy 316 calls for more than just encouraging preaching

01:54:48

It says to preach the word be ready in season and out of season reprove rebuke and Exhort with great patience and instruction.

01:54:57

So I'm sorry at 2nd Timothy 4 to That's preaching

01:55:03

I mean there's there's a lot of reproof and correction and True believers, they're like, let me have it.

01:55:11

I want to be right with God if I'm out of Sorts with the Lord and I'm doing something please preach it.

01:55:18

Tell me it's the same thing as if you you know Got something in your teeth there on your face. Let me know

01:55:26

Don't let me make a fool of myself. Yeah. Yeah, let me know about it. Absolutely We've said it before and we'll kind of close with this

01:55:34

Casey that the most loving thing you can do for someone is to tell Them the truth the most hateful thing you can do is to know the truth, but don't tell them

01:55:44

And that's the fact that that Danny the RMS and David youth and the leadership there at First Baptist, Orlando.

01:55:54

They are they are knowingly baptizing homosexuals, yeah

01:56:00

That that is now I know they would reject this and and if but but If we believe what the

01:56:09

Bible says if we really believe what we say we believe then the the purest form of hatred would be to know and Know what

01:56:20

Paul says in 1st Corinthians 6 when he says in verse 9 do not be deceived neither fornicators nor idolaters

01:56:26

Nor adulterers nor effeminate nor homosexuals nor revilers or covetous or swindlers and drunkards will inherit the kingdom of God right, so the most loving thing to do is to you know

01:56:40

Is to tell them the truth, I mean to baptize them you baptize someone after their conversion after their regeneration after the old man has passed away and All things have been made new baptism comes after conversion

01:56:56

It's not the first step to Progress along and hopefully learn more about Jesus later down the road.

01:57:02

That's not how this works and so they I've just stunned.

01:57:08

Yeah, I would think we were dealing with With an Episcopal Church here, but it's Southern Baptist. These are people who should know better Yeah, and the

01:57:16

Episcopal diocese had their annual convention at First Baptist, Orlando, by the way

01:57:23

I was neither here nor there, but yeah, they they opened their building up to whomever as a community

01:57:30

Service so but to your point of love, you know Romans 12 9 let love be without hypocrisy

01:57:37

Afford what is evil and cling to what is good a Hypocritical love is not to hate what is evil

01:57:44

But if we're going to love what is true and righteous and holy then we develop a healthy hatred for sin

01:57:50

Not the people the sin and You too, and I we hate the sin that we do so much

01:57:59

So that we repent of it and we put sincere effort into not doing it again

01:58:07

You know if you're a Christian your identity is not in your sin Okay, right there there's no such thing as a gay

01:58:16

Christian those that's that is a Those are mutually exclusive terms.

01:58:22

There's no more such thing as a gay Christian as there is a bank robbing Christian Mm -hmm, you know, we would scoff at that.

01:58:29

I'm a bank robbing Christian. I rob banks for a living your Christian Yeah, I'm a bank robbing Christian.

01:58:35

Oh You know, or I'm a I'm a child molesting Christian, right? No, no, if you're in Christ, your identity is in Christ and in Christ alone

01:58:46

And when you come to Christ The old man passes away.

01:58:53

All things are made new It doesn't mean that we're perfect But it does mean that our our our desires are changed our affections are changed

01:59:01

We love what God loves. We hate what God hates and Through the gospel

01:59:09

Casey Homosexuals can join they don't have to stay in 1st

01:59:15

Corinthians 6 verse 9. Yeah They can move to verse 11

01:59:22

Paul says Such were some of you You were those things, but you're not anymore.

01:59:29

You were a reviler, but you're not anymore You were a drunkard, but you're not anymore. You were a homosexual, but you're not anymore

01:59:39

They can there's freedom in Christ and then the gospel of Christ and that is what we want for Joe That's what we want for anyone in and you have heard from former homosexuals, right?

01:59:51

Yeah, who have thanked you, right? They've been so kind in their communication and some very genuine

02:00:00

Genuine people and I've enjoyed honestly interacting with them. I've had the privilege of speaking with more

02:00:08

Homosexuals in the last six months. I never have in my life and they they've been very appreciative of the truth and I mean so Our prayers and our desire is for them.

02:00:22

Yeah the best in Christ. That's right Amen, amen Being a homosexual is not the unforgivable sin, right?

02:00:32

If you die in that sin, you will not inherit the kingdom of God You will go to hell and endure the wrath of God for all of eternity, but it's not unforgivable.

02:00:40

There is freedom in the gospel so Yeah Well, I'll read 1st

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Corinthians 15 3 & 4 You know bleed into the authentic gospel that can transform a heart because it's the power of God and the salvation 1st

02:01:00

Corinthians Chapter 15 verses 3 & 4 talk about the death and the burial and the resurrection of the

02:01:07

Lord Jesus Christ It says for I've delivered unto you of first importance What I have received that Christ died for our sins

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According to the scriptures and that he was buried and that he was raised on the third day according to the scriptures

02:01:22

Amen, amen And dear ones that is the glorious gospel if you will

02:01:30

The salvation includes intellectual ascent to what Casey just read salvation includes you cannot be saved unless you

02:01:38

You intellectually believe that Jesus is who he said he is that he is the Son of God Who came to this earth lived a perfect life?

02:01:48

Fully God fully man never broke any of God's laws laid down his life on the cross

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Or the wrath of God He took the penalty took the punishment what our sins have earned us took upon himself

02:02:01

Bore the wrath of God this perfect person offered his perfect life as a perfect sacrifice

02:02:07

To perfectly satisfy the perfect wrath of God died on the cross Three days later bodily raised from the dead proving himself to be who he said he was

02:02:17

God in human flesh To be saved you must intellectually believe these things but salvation it includes intellectual ascent

02:02:25

But it is more than just Intellectual ascent the demons also believe and they tremble, but they're not saved

02:02:35

True salvation comes when you not only believe but that biblical belief Encapsulates it includes repentance from sin when you turn from your sin place your faith in Christ But in that a turning away from sin

02:02:51

That's repentance Paul speaks of a godly sorrow over sin in 2nd

02:02:57

Corinthians chapter 7 a godly sorrow leads to repentance unto salvation What is a godly sorrow when we grieve over our sin?

02:03:06

Not just admitting that we're sinners. That's important but a grieving over our sin when we grieve over our sin because we understand that our sin grieves

02:03:16

God and We do not want to grieve him. So if you will come to Christ in a true godly sorrow

02:03:22

Over your sin if you want a Savior not only from hell, which is good and right

02:03:28

You should want a Savior from hell, but just as much as we should want a Savior from hell We should want a

02:03:34

Savior from our sin the person who wants a Savior from hell, but not a

02:03:39

Savior from sin Has a Savior from neither so if you truly desire to Turn from your sin

02:03:47

Go to Christ Confess your sins before him ask him to forgive you and if you will come to Christ in that godly sorrow

02:03:55

Truly seeking to to surrender your life to his Lordship He will save you

02:04:02

Jesus says the one who comes to me I will in no wise cast out He will save you and you will pass from death to life.

02:04:09

The old things will pass away All things will be made new and you can have freedom in Christ.

02:04:16

And if you're a homosexual When I share the gospel with homosexuals, I don't I don't immediately drill down on homosexuality because it's not just homosexuality

02:04:26

It's a million other sins that will also send you to hell But if you will come to Christ Those things will pass away.

02:04:34

Whatever they are. Those things will pass away. You'll be made a new creature with new desires New affections, you'll have a love for the truth.

02:04:42

You'll have a love for holiness. You'll pursue holiness. You'll have a love for For the brethren, you'll have a love for his church these are the fruits in keeping with repentance, so There is freedom in Christ.

02:04:56

That is the good news of the gospel and that is what we want for anyone watching right now

02:05:02

Gay or straight So Casey thank you very much, brother.

02:05:07

Thank you for your courage. I appreciate Not only your courage and I guess this goes hand in hand, but also your your your shepherd's heart in wanting to help people.

02:05:17

Thank you Yes, sir. Anytime. I appreciate your friendship as well. Justin. All right.

02:05:22

Thanks Casey. Okay. Well dear ones Thank you for watching. If you're in the Orlando area Casey is the pastor of Bula Bula Baptist Church in Winter Garden, Florida and Until our next time together may the grace of our