Beautiful Conversation at the Temple

Well,

I'd like to take away is I'd like to go look for all those

plan of salvation.

Yeah parts in the Bible please do and The I think we just

we we have different Perceptions of him and who he says he is.

I agree with that I guess a lot of mine is formed from modern revelation, which is not accepted by you.

So I I say you just why we stand different part, you know different different agreements, right?

I.

Jen it was right.

That was a blessing that how you just described that because that is exactly what I'm saying.

Okay, and I that's what worries me very very much, right?

It was an absolute blessing talking with Jen there that day and she's absolutely correct.

We have two fundamentally different perceptions of who Jesus Christ himself

is and that is why as a Christian I am so worried about where the LDS are placing

their faith because according to John chapter 17 verse 3 it says that this is

eternal life that they may know thee the only true God and Jesus Christ whom now has

sent our salvation our eternal life is Dependent upon

how we know Jesus Christ and have a relationship with him.

We can't have a relationship with Jesus if we reject that what she declared himself to be.

If you are a Christian watching this I hope that this edifies you and helps you be encouraged to share the

gospel in a kind and loving way to your neighbors.

But without watering down the gospel message, but boldly still proclaiming Christ

crucified and relying on him and his salvation alone to deliver that message

to those that you care for and if you're Mormon if you're LDS.

And you're watching this I would ask you that you look into the Word of God.

To see if those things that I was saying in this video the things that we were discussing if there is any

truth in it.

And don't trust on your feelings upon this trust on what God's Word declares about this

for in John chapter 14 verse 6 it says this Jesus said to him.

I am the way and the truth and the life and no one comes to the father but through

me Us being able to go to the father is dependent upon who Jesus Christ is

and he says in here that he is truth.

God is the author of truth.

So if you seek it you will find Jesus.

I Hope you have a blessed time watching this video and just as you watch it There will be cuts and edits that are done in it and

through it because there's buses and interruptions that take place.

But the majority of the conversation I hope is a blessing to you.

And helps you understand the gospel that much better the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ according to

scriptures.

God bless and enjoy.

I'll talk with you again here in a second.

Yes, please.

Don't don't take off gospel track guys.

Do you want to go some track?

I'm doing really good.

How are you doing?

If you take something from me?

Absolutely.

Yes.

Okay.

Yeah, please bring it back to me.

And if I take something from you Do you want to talk with me later when you get a chance?

I gotta read it.

Okay, please do because I would I would love to talk with you about everything that's in there and and about the Bible.

I was LDS for 19 years.

And so I really do care about you guys gospel track guys gospel track.

Also, no preaching Jesus Christ crucified is the best thing I can do sir.

So would you like to take a gospel track sir and know who he is?

Okay.

Well, thank you very much.

This is not a waste of my time.

Even if it falls on deaf ears God is glorified today.

So please here.

Here's the gospel track guys.

Guys, I'm just out here telling people about the gospel the good news of Jesus Christ His death burial

and resurrection.

I As a Christian pastor, I tell my own church this

all the time.

I want people to know what Christ is the way he described himself to be because any worship to him.

That's less than what he has described himself to be is blasphemy to him to say.

Yeah, it's blasphemous to God to not worship him in the way that he deserves to be worshipped.

So God himself has said that I am the Alpha and the Omega to deny that would be blasphemy.

He says that I'm the self -existing one.

So but do you know sir?

Let me let me ask you about that though.

Because do you believe that our God is the one and only God from all eternity to eternity and that he existed?

Fully in the body of Jesus Christ being in his incarnation.

So that's different though.

So that's different.

So That's different though than what the Bible says so that that puts you outside the camp of Christianity.

I know I talked with you earlier and I I want to talk with you more later for sure because I I love talking with you guys and

Yes gospel track guys.

Yeah, and if we need to take pauses because the buses I understand your stuff so yeah.

When I grabbed my stuff out of my car, so you don't think that there was an apostasy, right?

No, absolutely not.

That would contradict Matthew 16 what Jesus Christ himself said.

Okay, and then you're like.

It seems like your biggest issue with us is like that we believe that they're that the Father and the Son are

different, right?

Yeah so I would say my biggest issue is that it's a changing of who God is by denying who he described himself to be and

not only that but Another on the plethora of things I would disagree with.

Another huge thing is that it's faith plus works according to how you guys described that a person is saved and in the Bible It's

grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

Okay, I think we're all saved.

Okay.

What do you mean by saved though?

Like like we're all saved from death because of the resurrection.

So we all can live again, and then I think our exaltation is separate from salvation.

So I think we're all going to end up in some sort of a heaven unless somebody has like, you

know I'm just gone about like trying to murder, okay, so pretty much

everybody goes.

About Jesus Christ himself saying in Matthew 25 saying that he separates the sheeps from the goats and the goats.

He says go into the fire into the everlasting fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels to the sheep.

He says come and enter into my kingdom.

That's very clearly that there's only two separate places and one is Retribution for what we have done against God and that's

breaking his law and that's something that we all deserve.

I deserve that you deserve it and I would say I'm the chief of all the sinners.

I deserve it more than you.

I deserve it far more than everybody else here.

I deserve hell because God is just perfect and holy and righteous and because he is those things his attributes.

He should hold me In contempt for violating his law.

So if we went into a judge today, and I said I robbed a bank.

I shot the guard.

I stole the money I got away with it.

I yada yada yada, right if I went before a judge and said judge Don't punish me.

Give me good things.

He's gonna slap at me and say no you're here not because of the good things you've done.

You were here because you violated the law and that's how we'll stand before God is Unjustified condemned

before him unless we place our faith in Jesus Christ.

And so my thing but my thing is is that the LDS Church in articles of faith three and four.

I know that you probably heard me talking about it, right?

Okay, I got you.

Do you believe that baptism is necessary for salvation?

Okay, do you believe that doing gosh now?

I gotta think about that because or exaltation.

I'll say it like that.

Okay.

Do you believe that baptism is necessary for exaltation?

Do you believe going to the temple is necessary for exaltation?

Well, and I guess yeah, and I guess like or the works that are performed in a temple.

Yeah, okay.

And I I'm just saying this because I'm hope I'm not misrepresenting your side in the in the New Testament in John 17

verse 3.

This is what Christ says is everlasting life.

This is what my definition of salvation is.

Everlasting life is that they might know thee the only true God and Jesus Christ who now is sent.

So our salvation everlasting life is dependent on us knowing Christ as a way He described himself to be and knowing

God as he is in the Bible.

And so my argument is is that because the LDS Church teaches that those are separate beings and that that's not one

God from all Eternity to eternity that stuff that's that's contradictory to this Bible verse and and the whole Old Testament and New Testament

combined.

That's contradictory to it.

So it's a different God that I would say that the LDS Church is believing in compared to the Bible and not only that but That you since

adding faith plus works.

Adding obedience to laws and works and so on and so forth.

Galatians chapter 2 verse 21 says that if you believe that you are Justified by works of the law then Christ

died needlessly.

Romans 3 28 says for we maintain that a man is justified through faith in Jesus Christ apart from works.

Philippians chapter 3 it goes the list goes on and on and on that it's always through faith alone in Christ alone.

And it's through his free unmerited gift grace that he gives to us alone that we're saved.

So if I stand before God and say look God, I was baptized for you in your name.

I prophesied in your name.

I cast out demons in your name.

That's what Matthew 7 says it says there will be many that come to me on the last day and say Lord Lord, did we not prophesy in your name?

Do we not cast out demons in your name and did we not perform all these many mighty miracles in your name?

So that's somebody that's saying that they know him they profess him as Lord, which I profess him as Lord.

I only hope you profess him as Lord too, right?

So people will be professing Christ as Lord and have works as an evidence a testimony about why they know

him as Lord.

And Christ says depart from me you workers of iniquity.

I never knew you so as a pastor at a church I'm desperately telling people look to Jesus Christ alone for your salvation

alone for your righteousness.

All you do is nothing but filthy rags and when you try to put it in the face of God as a means of your justification.

It would be like going before a judge and saying look, I know I'm sinful.

I know I broke the law, but I helped ten old ladies cross the street the other day I went out and preached out of LDS

temple.

You should save me because of those things.

That's putting works less faith in order to save and that's not what the Bible says.

So like the ordinance is you're classifying as works.

Yes, is why you think like since the scriptures are saying it's not works.

Yeah, so in fact in Colossians 2 it actually uses that exact word ordinances.

Colossians 2 13 and 14 focusing in on 14 though.

It says that he Christ he nailed and he took the principles and ordinances that were

contrary to us.

And that held us guilty.

That doesn't say that but those things that hold us guilty.

He took those things and he nailed them to the cross with him.

He defeated those things at the cross he fulfilled those things at the cross and in him alone we have righteousness and

In anything added to the salvation that Christ offers upon the cross is anathema.

It's a different gospel.

Did you just get sung?

No.

Oh, I was like, oh, oh, yes.

Yeah, you were gonna give me something.

I thought you just because a bee flew by and then also.

Sorry, you're talking about nailing the works to the cross.

Remembered.

I wanted to give you this about covenants.

Yep, because that's like That's like absolutely.

Yeah for us.

I guess it would classify as works because we.

Team up with God and I'm gonna I'm gonna say this so I appreciate you writing it for me, but I would ask you again, right?

These two things contradict each other the thing I gave you and this thing right here.

This is saying it's in Christ alone.

And this is saying it's in Christ plus the covenants that we make in the temple.

And so, but will you just read it.

I will.

I will absolutely yours.

I I will I promise you I will read it.

What was your name again?

Jen?

I want you to keep on talking with me throughout this day.

I'm gonna be here all day.

Yes, please do it.

I love questions.

I'm a pastor and I love to talk so you have to shut me up sometimes so.

When Jesus was baptized.

Yep.

I'm sure you get this all the time.

Oh, absolutely.

I'm excited where this is going.

And there was the voice from heaven.

This is my son my beloved son.

Yep.

So I'm just curious what you think about that but first I wanted to say like I completely believe that Jesus created this

earth and that he is the God of.

He is the God like of just this earth though and not of other universes or other creation.

I think that what he did here was from others.

So that to me would be in contradictory what the book of Abraham describes.

It says that he reorganized things.

He didn't ever create anything.

It says that there was matter that existed prior to him creating it that that that's contra.

That's outside of the realm of Christianity.

That's outside of the realm of what the Bible teaches and that that's one more reason.

I'm more but probably so we believe in a heavenly father separate, right?

Yeah, so I think that he probably created a lot of stuff.

And then Jesus.

I mean, there's there's so many things.

I don't know. I know I don't have to know and there's many things.

I don't know either.

Yeah, but where do you go to find truth scriptures scriptures?

Amen to that.

Amen.

But like I guess I think that Jesus organized this world from matter that existed but like he created

the world.

Yeah, so and then like I don't know how so that would contradict things, right?

So that would contradict John 1 it says in there in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word Was God.

And it's let me.

No, he did.

And he also if there's Bible verses of all three persons doing different things in creation.

But this is the beautiful thing in John.

This is this is where I'm saying.

It's a different God right.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

The Joseph Smith translation can adds about 20 more words to this text and that's never found in any any

Manuscript trans transcription or anything like that.

But it says he was in the beginning with God all things.

That means everything that we see around us.

All things came into being by him and apart from him.

Nothing came into being that has come into being so that that to me right there.

Shows that there's there's a difference fundamentally between what the book of Abraham's teaching versus what this says.

And it goes on to say the same word.

So I'm assuming right because you don't accept Abraham, right?

Nope, you're good.

So in in John 1 14 it says.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt.

That word dwelt is translated as dwelt for us to understand It it literally means tabernacle this temple.

That was what a tabernacle was in the Old Testament was when they moved from city to city He tabernacled amongst us.

It was the place where the holies of holies resided.

And so the holies of holies dwelt with us.

It's a it's a beautiful beautiful verse.

He dwelt amongst us and we beheld his glory glory of the only begotten from the father full of grace and

truth.

And it goes on to say in verse 18.

I'm not trying to script verses we could read it all in context if you want.

But no man has seen God at any time the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the father.

He has not even Moses.

I thought Moses saw God.

No.

Yeah, so actually he did.

Yes, but he didn't see God the father.

So Jesus Jesus and John I believe it's John chapter 12.

In John it says that in the book of Isaiah it describes Isaiah seeing him and receiving the covenant to tell the

people.

In Isaiah chapter 6, he says he sees God.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's a good question we can get to that but he saw God on the throne and he saw his glory and he said that he saw angels saying holy, holy,

holy and so on and so forth and he says whom shall I send and he says send me Lord here I am and

Isaiah's told you shall tell the people that they have ears that can't hear and eyes that can't see.

It means people that won't believe right and so that's speaking about Jewish Pharisees in Jesus's day the people that

could not recognize Christ as who he claimed himself to be and in John chapter 12 It says whose glory you like the chosen.

Oh, I haven't seen it.

Actually.

No.

That's a different subject we can get back to that but.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, so I know you're good.

No, you're good.

No, I appreciate you know, that's a good thing.

But in John chapter 12, it says that they Isaiah saw the glory of him speaking of Christ.

So who was the God that Isaiah saw on the throne that was having angels worshiping him?

It was Jesus that he saw on the throne okay, and so my my saying is that every time we see some picture or

Identification of God in the Old Testament like in the garden when he was walking in the garden in the midst of everything.

It was Jesus that was walking.

It was pre -incarnate Christ Christ before he became incarnate.

Before he had he became fully man.

It was fully God dwelling in the garden in the person of Jesus Christ.

And so that's different than what?

Saying that anybody's seen the father the Bible actually Jesus says no man has seen the father.

No, not one.

It says that no men can see the father and live.

It says that he dwells in an unapproachable light that no man can see or hath seen.

And so my objection is is that in Joseph Smith's history in verses 6.

And that makes them separate beings and that is a huge contention with Christianity that's outside of the realm of Christian.

You can't consider yourself Christian and believe that okay, you just can't by definition you can't.

Okay.

Yeah.

I mean I get your beef, but I so let me ask you this.

So Jehovah Witnesses, they believe in Jesus and they also believe in Jehovah and they believe those two are separate.

Yeah, I took a lot of pamphlets from them.

Yeah, do you believe?

Yeah, that's I bet they love you.

Do you believe that they are believing the same Jesus the same way?

He describes himself to be as the way that you believe in LDS Church.

Gosh, um, all I know is from what I read that they do believe in Jehovah.

So same God from the Old Testament, you know, and they but they have a lot of other things they've interpreted differently.

Which is clearly what we've all done.

And so the point of it is is that I Every LDS person I've ever talked.

Okay.

Do you believe in the Jesus that Muslims believe in?

I got a different.

Yes, let's hear.

Okay, let me say this real quick.

Yeah, the Jesus that Muslims believe in wasn't resurrected that's a different Jesus than I believe in and so our

salvation is dependent on how we have faith in or the Object that we place our faith into and so if we place our faith in

something as Jesus didn't describe himself to be it means that we don't have faith in Jesus of the Bible.

So we can say we can say Jesus we can say Christ all the day with long.

But if I said I believe in Jesus, you'd probably say that's a good thing, right?

Yeah, what happens if I told you Jesus was my cashier at Fred Meyer and he goes by Jesus sometimes.

You'd say don't place your faith in that Jesus.

Don't do that.

Right and you say you're silly for doing that.

That's what I'm saying that you guys have a faith in the same type of Jesus as the Jesus at Fred Meyer.

It's a Jesus that can't say it's possible though that we that we understand things differently from each

other.

So like yeah, you only met me five minutes ago.

Absolutely, and you would maybe tell somebody different things about like someone say, oh you

Don't tell me about her and then you tell me what you know, which is like this much.

Okay, and then you meet somebody else who knows me better.

Yeah, you know and they can tell you more and but then you meet like my husband you can tell you totally different.

Totally.

I'm percent so like I just think it's possible that we just all know him differently.

So, you know, some of us may understand him differently than others.

Yep, and so like even if the Muslims do believe in him, but maybe call him a different name.

Like they're still believing in him.

So, you know, they know they don't worship Jesus.

They just say he was a man.

He wasn't God.

Okay, just a prophet.

I'm saying they're denying the essential of what Christ himself proclaim.

They believe in all that's right.

Because like if if if he said he's Jesus and that he's God and you're like, no, you're not God.

Like if they don't believe what he actually said, I guess I can see how you're saying.

Yeah, if you don't believe what he said, but the thing is like scriptures have been so Tampered with over

centuries.

So that's why like we have a different version than you.

Yeah.

So this this is a that thank you for asking.

You're the first LDS person that has asked me about that about the translations when I was LDS I had a

misunderstanding of this and so I please listen to listen and study the what I'm trying to say.

Don't take what I'm saying as as truth go home and study this.

There's a difference between translation and Transformation.

Trent transferring something and translation when I was in the LDS Church, I thought well over the 2 ,000 years.

Of course, we've lost stuff in the Bible.

Of course that makes only sense because it had to be translated from this to this to this this that's not how the Bible was translated.

You today can learn Hebrew and Greek and the point of it is is we can go to those things and Translate

verbatim exactly what the Bible translators have and you and I can translate the same Bible.

They weren't so Good question so I Isaiah 55 says that God says he

will place that he'll send out his word and it won't return to him void and I'll accomplish All that it was supposed to accomplish.

So I believe that the Bible when God ordained it to take place and he inspired men to write it.

It was going to stand upon the earth and that's what we see.

So every manuscript that we have there's no difference in context of what it's saying.

None.

It's beautiful.

There is no mistranslations.

There is no messed up things there.

There's little things here where somebody might have forgotten the or or this or this or this.

But they are teaching the same exact God that you that I believe in today.

Not personal revelation, no and so.

The reason that we have different translations, right?

The reason that you would say that we believe in the King James version.

I I like the NASB.

I prefer the NSV.

I love the ESV.

I read the King James sometimes the point of it is is when was the King James version translated in the 1600s

and so it was in 1600s language.

That it was written in so today we have new language that we talk and we don't go without the die.

And so it gets translated in ESV.

So it's English Standard Version and then there's some that say well that one Adds the word the here

and there to help us read it.

We want to be as literal as possible.

And so we'll remove the word that and just have it read kind of clunky.

That's the NSV.

It reads kind of clunky every once in a while because it's trying to go for literacy.

And so That's the difference between translations.

Now.

There are bad translations like the Jehovah Witnesses.

They have a translation of the Bible.

I would say that Joseph Smith out his translations a terrible translation because all the manuscript the 6 ,000 plus manuscripts that we

have of the New Testament not a single word that does Hi guys, not a

single word that the Joseph Smith's translation added to the Bible was it's ever found in any of those

manuscripts.

And so I would say don't go to the Joseph Smith translation.

Don't go to the Jehovah Witness go learn Hebrew and Greek and you can study it yourself.

Because that's the most clear way that we can do it.

I don't know Hebrew and Greek I wish I did but I know English good enough that I can trust my Bible, right?

And so that that's the that's the translation.

That so the reason that we have so many manuscripts Isn't like they were translating it from Hebrew and Greek into German and then into Russian

and then in Spanish and then in the English.

Because if that was the case, we'd lose so much information.

That doesn't work.

We know that doesn't work.

But what happened was people.

People were copying the manuscripts from one thing to another copying and copying and copying and they did this day and

night all the time and so that's why we have so many manuscripts of Hebrew and Greek that we can say that this is

a reliable source that it Is true because they don't contradict each other.

It's it's beautiful.

I love it I I absolutely love the Lord in that kind of stuff.

Like have you seen any of the originals.

Because you love it so I haven't seen in person.

But I there are pictures that you can go on of like in the museum and you can and you can literally go and learn Greek at home.

Yeah.

And and you can translate John 1 1 in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

You can literally translate it.

It's so cool.

So so cool.

And then you can spin up translate into Spanish from the Greek to Spanish.

Anyway, so it's so it's so important right because there there isn't a problem in the Bible.

There's there's little parts here and there that we're like, okay that that's here and there but doctrinally speaking Christ has

always been proclaimed as God since the day he ascended to today 2 ,000 years later, right?

And so in Matthew 16, like you were saying earlier I'm saying that Christ said that on this rock speaking of himself.

Because he says you are Peter which means small stone pebble.

And then he says I will build my church upon the rock speaking of himself.

You are nothing in comparison to the rock.

I'm building my church upon myself and the gates of Haiti shall not prevail against it.

And so the point of it is is that 2 ,000 years later I take full confidence in what Christ said and there's never been a great apostasy

that see that's taken away the truth of who Jesus Christ is there's always been believing Christians that believe in Jesus Christ

and that we're saved through grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

Okay, and so I praise God for that.

Yeah.

What was your first thing that made you go?

Wait, this is yeah, that's a good question.

I appreciate you asking that so when I was LDS, I was for 19 years.

I Graduated from seminary with all four years.

I said memorize all hundred scripture masteries.

Don't ask me to quote him.

I probably can't.

Yeah back to our conversation though.

Okay, that's a great Bible verse 2 so in Jude 4 it says that we must contend for our

faith eagerly.

And so the root word of contentious is it contend?

And so I I'm okay with saying I'm contentious.

I don't try to be I'm here to bring peace and good news, but if somebody perceives it as contention

Well, I'm here to contend that's what I'm here to do so I want you to contend for my faith too I hope.

What if that scripture about contend for your faith, yeah is contending against Satan.

So it's in the it you want you want to open it up and look at it.

I think I'd be good.

I believe it's Jude 4.

It's John 1st.

John 4.

It's one of those two.

So we'll open it up here.

Actually, let me just set this stuff right here.

So this was my quad when I was LDS just to prove you I was LDS.

I could open it up and I could show you all the highlighted stuff, right?

So Jude.

Yes, yep, absolutely and that's why.

So Joseph Smith history in verse 18 It says that all the professing creeds all there's speaking of the Christians of Jesus

Joseph Smith's day our abomination and corrupt in the sight Of God, right?

Oh Yes.

Oh, yeah, don't pull in here.

You might hit people.

So, yes, yes Joseph Smith said I believe in in because I believe in all those same creeds that Joseph Smith was teaching that.

Oh, sorry six feet away my bad.

That's funny stuff.

Let me try to find this here.

Sorry the wind.

No, I do believe in Kovac.

Where is it at?

Oh, yeah, that's where we were at, huh?

So yeah, so LDS for 19 years I was getting ready to go on my mission and I

Started dating this lovely little lady who I ended up marrying years later.

So I love her very very much but.

Yeah, so I was teaching her one night after a month of dating her about The plan of

salvation Joseph Smith why temples are necessary so on and so forth and she listened to me for two hours.

Give my whole spill and I was thinking to myself.

I could not have said that any better.

I just nobody could say no to Mormonism after I just talked to it I just quoted every single thing that Joseph Smith ever said.

I I hit it man tooth and nail it was done easy deal.

She's gonna be baptized and she sat really quietly and she looked over at me and she said that's stupid.

And not in the Bible and it hit me like a brick wall that what I just said was really strange.

I need to go home and look at this in the Bible and six years to seven years later now to today I have yet to find one thing that I taught her that

night that the LDS Church told me was essential to being a Mormon.

In the Bible not one not one thing the plan of salvation plan of happiness.

Never in the Bible Joseph Smith never in the Bible.

Multiple gods never in the Bible temples Old Testament, but not like this temple not in the Bible.

Over and over and over again I just haven't seen it in the Bible.

And so if somebody if a Mormon could show me a Mormonism in the Bible I would believe in it.

But I I know that that won't be done because I've read the Bible and I it's just not there.

It's it's it.

It's just not there and that's the scary part, right?

I Gotta look it up now because I'm bugged now that I can't I miss quoted.

Yeah.

Right, but I want you to look for it as far as pre -existence.

The Father and the Son creating a plan for free agency us coming down here and there being a fall forwards and Adam.

Right the plan of salvation fall forwards men are that they might have joy right.

Book of Mormon.

I can quote it still for it partially right and the point of it is is that

Those things contradict what the Bible says and it goes on to say that then throw through obedience and faith in the gospel

ordinances.

Which like that gentleman just talked to me that's not the gospel in the Bible.

That's never talked about.

Yeah, I understand but I'm just saying those things are not the gospel and so once again that's not in the Bible and then

Ultimately three kingdoms where everybody is rewarded based off of what they've done here in this world and what they you have faith in.

Nowhere in the Bible it I haven't found it and I haven't found it.

Seven years later.

So that's so that's why you're like warning everyone.

Yeah.

I am terrified about that, right?

I'm terrified about that because every second right people are dying like that like a snap of the finger people are dying.

I hope no one dies here today, but everybody is dying and when they die.

Yeah, that's good.

So if I just hope nobody dies you get what I'm saying?

I want them everybody to know Jesus before they die because God will hold us accountable for our sin

and it takes the righteousness of Christ.

To cover us in that same just like in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve when they cover themselves with the fig leaves.

Because it was their works.

They were trying to cover themselves with after disobeying God.

Jesus pre -incarnate Christ takes those coverings off and covers them with the lamb with the sacrifice is what it says.

And who's that sacrifice in the New Testament Jesus?

Who's the one that offered in the New Testament Jesus?

Who's the high priest Jesus?

Who's the lamb Jesus?

It's all about Jesus.

He's the main character of the story not you and I we are we are insignificant in the story.

It's all about Jesus in him alone.

And so that that's why I'm truly worried about it.

So that I hope that gives some more context why I'm being as vocal as I am and as Confrontational as I am

to contending for what I believe in right?

So what are your thoughts on any of that?

Well, and as you're talking to me, I'm listening to you I'm just I'm looking up that Bible verse because that's gonna bug that that's gonna like the living tarnation

out.

Okay, so.

Yes, yeah contend eagerly for the faith contend eagerly.

But yes, I'm listening to you.

Well

takeaways, I'd like to go look for all those plan of salvation yeah parts in the

Bible, please do and The I think we just we we have

different Perceptions of him and who he says he is.

I agree with that I guess a lot of mine is formed from modern revelation, which is not accepted by you.

So I I say you just why we stand different part, you know different different agreements, right?

I.

Jen it was right.

That was a blessing.

That how you just described that because that is exactly what I'm saying.

Okay, and I that's what worries me very very much.

Right.

Because Correct me if I'm wrong if I died today and and according to you how you how you would believe

That if I died today rejecting the LDS Church.

And would just continue to learn after your day.

I'm gonna say I'm gonna keep on rejecting it because the Jesus Christ of the LDS Church is not a god worthy.

But I get it, but you see what I'm saying, that's what you think right now and I'm just yeah like I think there's so

much.

We're all gonna learn when we die.

Okay, there's so much like I'm gonna be like, wow.

So will anybody be in the true illustrious illustrious kingdom?

Okay, so I'm saying I'm probably gonna go there if I die believing in what I believe.

If Mormonism is true is what I'm saying I'm gonna go to one of those two.

I'm not going to the celestial kingdom.

So I'm rejecting what this is teaching.

And so I would want I would we don't think that's when judgment is that's okay.

We think that you'll have your eyes open.

I mean not like just yeah Christians.

Christians would say when somebody's absent of the body There is a judgment that takes place that you are either in torment or in paradise.

Yeah, and so it says in the Bible and I can't tell you so Jude 3 is where it says content eagerly for the faith.

That's what I was one verse off Jude 3.

Yeah, Jude 3, but Yeah, it says to be absent of the body is to be present with the Lord.

So immediately you're with Christ or immediately you're not so the rich man of Lazarus in in Luke

chapter Luke chapter 16.

Is that where I was just reading earlier?

Maybe Luke chapter 7.

I'm probably wrong on that.

How are you guys doing today?

I mean there has to be at least some form of judgment.

I don't think it's the final judgment.

So there is a final judgment when we're resurrected later in bodies and that's when there's a separation of sheep and goats and

that's when Christ says go depart from me or come into my kingdom right.

And and and that there there is that judgment that.

Does take place at the resurrection, but yeah, there would have to be some sort of judgment, right?

You know, but then there's a final.

Absolutely.

And so I would hope as you do you care about where I'm gonna spend eternity, right?

And you're telling me why you believe in what you believe in and I'm telling you why I'm caring about eternity.

Too for you.

I want you to believe it.

I believe it too.

No, how are you guys doing?

Good good.

Would you guys mind a gospel to taking a gospel track?

Okay, thank you.

I was like I better not be bending down here for nothing.

Gospel track guys.

Guys, I really care about where you guys place your faith.

I want you to know who Jesus Christ is.

I want you to know him crucified God in flesh dying for the sins of his people for his own glory.

Yeah.

Finish your story.

Yes.

Yeah, that ended up into a like six -year search.

There's a longer story to it.

But that would be my short summation of that is that yes that was the shortest summation I could put it in is that I was told that it wasn't in

the Bible and since then I've Been looking and I have not yet once found one doctor and I told her that night in the Bible.

And so that's led me to who Jesus Christ is reading John 1 1 through first 5 the whole chapter

of John 1.

The entire Bible itself, it's it's completely Self Confirming

in its message that there's 66 books of the Bible 40 different authors and many of them never even knew

each other and they all taught one thing Jesus Christ God and flesh dying for the sins of

his people for forgiveness of sins.

And if you place your faith in that alone, you are saved.

That's the whole and it's God's glory for his glory.

That's the entire message of the Bible in a short short submission 66 books.

Yes.

Sorry, so I was thinking about what you were saying about Jesus.

Yeah, so then does.

Repentance count as an act.

Oh, that is a good question.

So I Would have to ask how do you define repentance?

Okay, like turning to God yes, that is a part of the gospel so how does somebody's change their heart.

John chapter 3 It says you must be born from above you must be born again and so I'm saying that the repentance that somebody

has is Being born from above from the Holy Spirit that changing the heart that they do it about turn.

They are looking at sin and now they're looking at the cross right and they're still gonna sin.

They're still gonna mess up, but that's what repentance is is turning to Jesus for a loan.

Turning from sin to Jesus for your salvation.

So even in that definition of repentance, it's still the gospel message That's taking place there.

So the act of repentance like me saying like let's say I go up and punch my friend Josh right in the face Me telling him.

Sorry is not required for me to have salvation but me knowing that I did something wrong and my sin in that

area that is absolutely a a Portion of us knowing about God and about our own

sin nature and about how we break God's law.

Does that make sense what I'm saying on that or that's how I as a Christian That's how they would define that repentance.

So how would you repent today?

So if you went and punched Josh in the face, how would you repent today about that?

I would say I'm sorry, and I think that's just Naturally follows if you really are okay.

So like would you have to do anything else for for an atonement to take place in the punching Josh right in the face?

And if you did it, I would love it right now.

I'm just kidding.

Don't punch him in the face.

Do you have to go to church on Sunday?

Take the sacraments talk to the bishop possibly over something like that.

Like if I had Tourette's and I accidentally just threw a haymaker.

Like have a trouble controlling my temper.

Then I would want a covenant with God so that he strengthens me so I can learn.

Yeah.

So Doctrine covenants 82 7, okay.

And if you want I can open it up and I could probably quote it for you better than if I read it.

But this is what that verse says.

And doctrine covenants 82 7.

It says if you repent of your sins you have received forgiveness of them.

But if you recommit a sin all your former sins come back to you.

So if you that's muddy and I think there's so many people who like maybe they're

struggling with addiction or something.

Yeah, and I think They're having trouble overcoming something like that.

Yeah, so I Think that they need God on their side to help them

because they keep falling right falling and falling but and they're but as I think that as long as they keep

trying like Technically they're like worthy or whatever like so.

Can I can I can I so let me let me tell you the two differences between Christianity and Mormonism in this comparison right of

repentance and sin.

A Christian sin has been nailed to the cross with Christ.

Christ became sin on our behalf.

He is our righteousness.

He had imputed our sin on into his account so he could pay for it.

So my sin me punching Josh in the face has already been paid for.

Yes me sitting tomorrow has already been paid for.

But according to what Mormonism just said in Doctrine and Covenants 82 7 it says.

Those sins that were wiped away or get added back into your account.

Do you take it out added back taken out and what I'm saying is a Christian?

I'm not saying that means that I have a license to sin.

That's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying a Christian better not sin because that blasphemes God and that's not a good thing.

Yeah, but he paid for it.

But in order for us to benefit from what he did we have to actually.

Turn to him and say so the beneficent the benefit the benefactor area of what Christ did is already taking place.

I have faith in Christ.

I am safe.

I am benefiting from it today right now.

I don't need to do anything for that salvation.

I will do things though because he has given me that so if I.

What's your favorite car in the whole world?

Like do you like cars or what's what is you come that you're wanting today like today you want?

Yeah.

We'll use a car.

Let's just say you want a Corvette.

Okay, something very expensive a Tesla.

Okay, you want a Tesla?

I don't know.

I know let's just say there's 70 grand.

I don't know how much they are.

They're expensive.

Yeah.

Yeah, so you wanted that you don't deserve that from somebody like me.

I went and bought you one today and I drove it up here and I gave it to you right here, right?

I better take care of it.

So.

But when did you get the Tesla?

When I gave it to you.

Yeah.

You were gonna take care of it because you got a Tesla and if you tried to sit and go through your pockets I don't know if you have any change on you

and you were to say hey, here's a penny.

I paid you back.

I would say What that was a gift to you that get away.

No, you don't even get this.

That's what I would do.

That's what Christ in Galatians 2.

It's a free gift.

Yeah grace is a free gift.

That's the definition of graces.

It's a the unmerited free gift of God unmerited meaning that you didn't earn it.

Absolutely, absolutely.

And that's justifiable upon them not on.

God's not accepting it because they are on.

So Romans 3 is beautiful.

I love that chapter.

It says in there in verse 10 for none is righteous.

No, not one none Seek after God.

None understand them.

And in verses 11 through 18 It tells them all the ways that we sin.

Our throat is an open gray.

We blaspheme God all day long on all night long and it goes on to say Romans 19.

Trying to quote it as best as I can.

It says that the law was given to hold everybody accountable and guilty before God.

So it wasn't meant for us to keep it perfectly.

If we could we'd go to heaven today.

If we could keep the law perfectly from the day of our birth to the day that we die.

We're in heaven because of our own righteousness, but the law was given to condemn us.

It was to hold us guilty before God to show our sin to have it so that we needed a Savior.

So that's what Romans 3 19 says.

It says for the law was given to hold everybody accountable before God.

And in verse 20 It says by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

No flesh.

And then from 21 to 28 It continues on with this theme that it's only through the blood of Jesus Christ and him alone that we're saved.

And in verse 28 It says that we maintain that a man is justified in faith in Jesus Christ alone apart from works.

So the point of Romans 3 Romans 4 and Romans 5 it gives examples of Abraham David so on and so

forth all these Old Testament figures and we all are saved by faith.

The scripture about the law is meant to condemn us because I have never looked at it that way.

I may look at it like God's Commandments are meant to help us and protect us and like

team us up with him and make us worthy.

Yeah, so the law is absolutely what God wants us to follow.

All right.

Let me let me be clear in that he gave us the law and we should obey it because he's God and he's given it To us.

So if he said that the law was that I should sit on grass all day and night I should sit on grass on day.

All night, right, but that's not his law.

But in Romans 3 19 It does say that the law was given to hold everybody accountable before God.

And in in the Bible it also says that the law has been written on our heart and That we from all creation know

that there is a God and Jesus Christ We know is God and the Bible has revealed it to us.

So we have ample opportunity to repent and believe in Jesus Christ.

Every person even the person that's never heard the name of Jesus Christ.

They could repent and believe in Jesus Christ today, but they choose not to.

No, that's why I'm so worried about it today is that there is no second chance because that's why in Matthew 25.

He separates the sheeps and wait a minute.

What about all the people who never even hear about Jesus?

Oh, you think they're all just do.

Are they say.

Are they uns.

Are they doomed because they didn't have faith in Christ or because They broke God's law.

They just didn't know about it.

They broke God's law since the law is written on their heart.

They choose to violate God's law and therefore they're a sinner.

No one is righteous.

No, not one.

They needed they should be following him and they should but and they do know God's life.

So if you went to a somebody born in some far corner, yeah, the Middle East that doesn't know about yeah.

So what he has to get this is beautiful.

This is absolutely beautiful if I said To somebody that has never heard Jesus Christ or God y 'all way of the Bible don't even know

what the Bible is.

And I was to do I'll do them and say is it okay for me to start killing your babies my babies and everybody else.

Well, no, they're gonna say that's not okay.

That's not morally.

Okay.

Where did they get their standard from?

It's because they have a moral reasoning that's been placed on their heart that they know that they should not murder.

And so There's a lot so

there's there's the two great commandments that Jesus Christ himself.

Yes, he says that you should love the Lord your God with all your heart.

Soul and mind I think is what it says off the top of my head.

And he says that the second commandment is that you should love your neighbor as you love yourself and in these two you will shall Find all the commandments of God.

So all ten of the commandments are found in those two and so it wouldn't be loving if I if I can kill.

All they do that's the point of it that we are all condemned by the law and we're under sin and we need a Savior

and It and so in the Old Testament God has said that only God forgives sin and only God is our Savior right and

it goes on to then say in Luke Luke chapter 6 or 7 that there was a paralytic man.

He was wanting to see Jesus and this whole house was full with Jesus with people following trying to talk to him trying to see I'm trying to

touch him so on and so forth and this paralytic man in desperation has his friends tear apart the roof and go

Through the roof and what is the first thing that Jesus says to him?

He says your sins are forgiven your because of your faith your sins are forgiven

and the Pharisees What do they say?

Because God alone forgives sin and they're quoting from the Old Testament and to that I say amen only God can

forgive sins.

Period.

Amen exclamation mark the whole shebang.

That is it.

God only can forgive sins.

Not a man.

Not a woman.

God alone and Jesus doesn't say Pharisees, you don't know what you're talking about right now.

He says if you don't believe watch this walk paralytic man.

Take your bed and go home.

So he proves to him that he has power over this but hit this man's health and he proves to him.

He doesn't confront them about them saying you just said something that was blasphemous about God.

He says no, that's right.

Go and walk home now and so that's that's once again that's another contradiction that I see it with Mormonism in Jesus in

that text is that Jesus there is.

Saying that he's the one and only God and there's once again none before him none after him.

He knows not any and and that's why once again I am super concerned about anybody that would go before God and say

Lord I had faith in what you did.

I believe that you said you were God in flesh but it is through my baptism and through the obedience of the ordinances of the

gospel message and The gospel is this and this and this which is not in the Bible and I think I should

become like you.

That that's that's only gonna condemn somebody if they try to say that before God.

Oh, I would hope so too but Matthew 7 there's gonna be people that come to him and say Lord Lord.

There will be boastful people that come to him and say those things and like I said, I I've never cast out demons.

I've never performed many mighty miracles that I know of anyway.

There will be people that do that and even if me and my self -righteousness is that I have like.

Trying to think of a good righteous deed.

I just did recently.

Let's say.

Let's say I serve somebody recently if I go into Jesus and said Jesus Lord Lord, I serve somebody.

You know me because of that Jesus is gonna say depart from me you workers of iniquity.

I never knew you so the Christian.

You want to see something really cool about good works.

Okay, yeah, yeah, my turn.

Yes, please.

I I'm talking a lot like I said, you have to tell me to shut up.

I just don't know that he I just the Jesus that I believe in.

I don't think that he would actually respond that way.

Okay, I think that he would be like.

Let's have a conversation.

Okay.

I think that he knows the person's heart.

Yeah, and.

And that he would and that he would then like try to help them get to know him.

I don't think he would just be like even after they've died.

They are blaspheming God every day and every night of their life breaking God's law thinking that they were doing good.

But they weren't they were actually worshiping the false.

God.

You're saying like This person who's serving people.

Which is what he's asked us to do.

And if you serve people you're serving him.

Yeah, so but that that's on your neighbor.

Yep, so you're saying if they're misguided like misdirected in who they're looking at and

how they understand him.

Yep, that that's complete.

They're completely off the mark and it just it's all for naught and and all all the efforts They

they made in life trying if I hit you with these pamphlets and just know I'm trying to get a be off.

Yes, so trying to follow the God that they believed in.

He's just gonna say sorry you were wrong.

That's what Matthew 7 says and let me give you an example of something like that a Good work that isn't done for somebody

else, but for yourself alone.

Baptism is baptism what you need to do for you to be in the celestial kingdom.

That's a good work that you have done for yourself on behalf of yourself.

Faith is so let me give you let me try to give you an example real fast about how we're condemned before God.

So if I go over to Josh right now, he's my friend.

Slap him in the face.

I knocked him down knocked him out.

He gets up.

He might be mad.

He might even slap me back possibly.

Maybe not.

He might just get up and be like what the crap did you just do?

Why'd you do that?

If I was to slap one of these people in line they would probably call the cops on me right and if the cops got here and I slapped the cop in the

face and I'm going to jail now, right and if Joe Biden was here and I slapped him in the face bad bad things that

are happening.

To me, right?

I might go to jail for terrorism because I'm doing you see what I'm saying?

The action is the same but the position of authority and relationship to me is different.

Because God is the greatest authority of all things.

He gives a you know, eternal promise about salvation.

He also has an eternal condemnation for people that break his law.

So when we break God's law, it's like us slapping him.

It's like us slapping him and then because we slap him in the face day and night is what the Bible says.

We blast on him all the time.

There's no amount of us saying Oh, look at what I did to serve this person or that person because in in

Isaiah, so this is really interesting.

So in Isaiah Where I'm quoting from with Isaiah 43 verse 10 that says that there's no God's form before me nor after me

it goes on to say things like They're they're they're idols.

Their gods are making Burdens on the backs of the beasts and and it's this and this and this if we have a

false God that we're doing works towards.

It doesn't matter how many of those works look morally good to you and I like if I was to feed a homeless person.

Right here, but I said I'm doing it because I am a Buddhist and I want to be reincarnated as a human again.

That's not a good work now, that's a blasphemy to God, you know, it's a good thing I'm doing.

It's not a good work to God.

So Isaiah 46 or actually Isaiah 64 verse 6 says all you are righteous deeds are nothing but filthy rags

before the eyes of the Lord.

And that word filthy rags in there is literally menstrual cloths.

What he what that text is literally saying is that us thinking we have good works before God.

Is me taking menstrual cloths to God and saying look look at all I've done.

Look at it reward me off that.

Exactly and so He does and I'm not denying that but it's only found at first

in a proper relationship with Christ and after that We will want to serve people.

So like what I'm doing right here right now I'm saying I'm serving people even though a lot of people are saying I'm doing a silly thing and what I'm doing is not right.

And so on and so forth what I'm doing right here is trying to glorify God because of my salvation.

He deserves to be glorified in such a way.

Once again, my this righteousness that I think I'm doing I would never say is meriting me anything before God.

And so it's really cool in the book of Revelation.

I love this this chapter Revelation it says that there will be the elders that are given a crown of glory.

And what do they do with the clown and glory that they receive from Jesus in that text?

They take it and they throw it at his feet.

They say worthy worthy worthy are you to be worshiped?

I don't get the reward.

You are the main character of the story.

Yeah, you deserve the crowns.

That's the way it should be.

And so that's what the Christians attitude is.

Is that I it's not me.

It's not my righteousness.

It's all Christ.

It's all on Jesus alone.

And which is why it's funny that we sing about like mansions.

Yeah, it is funny.

I love John 14.

That's one of my favorite texts.

But yes, it is funny how that works.

Huh, the you know what I how I've always described have been motivated differently.

They are and so the reason how I describe heaven is I I don't care about what it looks like.

I'm just happy that there's streets of gold because gold is a soft metal.

Because when I put my knees on it That means I can be in a prostrate position before Jesus Christ even longer with my knees not bleeding

because he deserves that kind of worship and not only that but Salvation in Jesus Christ is so so

important because my wife knowing Jesus.

There's nothing I could do to her to get her to be saved.

It's only upon her having faith in Jesus Christ to be saved and guess what if we get to heaven together I never want her to look

over to me and be happy with me and what I've done.

I want her to not take her eyes off of Jesus Christ because he is once again the main character I and I hope

she's there like I hope everybody else is there because they want they need a bully worshiping God.

That's how firm I am about God being worshipped in the way that he should be worshipped.

My wife isn't exempt from that.

My wife is a believer in Jesus and praise God for that and and she will be in heaven with me.

But not in the way that the LDS are teaching about eternal marriages.

It's kind of funny to me a little bit that.

Like we think that even though you believe differently you still have a

Chance to change your yeah in heaven, but you guys and my friend Connie Connie.

She sounds like a nice lady.

Don't think anybody has a chance.

Yeah after they die.

Yeah, and I think there's I think there's good Reason for that, right?

I don't think God's ways have to be fair, but he's so merciful I he is I think that he will make sure

everybody has a chance to slowly understand.

Absolutely.

I think that the root here is the misunderstanding that you think it's us that misunderstand and we think you miss.

Right, you know I think it's just and so everybody's misunderstanding.

There's really there's only really three options, right?

Because what you're saying is contradicting me and what I'm saying is contradicting you and what our beliefs are.

Right.

The third option is that we're both wrong.

There's something else true, right?

Well, and that's completely likely that and if that is the case so be it but what I'm saying is in the Bible.

I'm gonna always fall back onto the Bible.

I'm not gonna trust my feelings for truth.

I'm not gonna trust what I'm thinking for truth.

I'm gonna go to what God's Word and just quote it because that's truth.

Jesus says in John 14 I am the way the truth and the life.

No one comes to the Father except through me.

Jesus is the truth.

God's Word does not return back to him void.

It is truth and that's how I take it as right.

And so if I have a misunderstanding of God, I only want someone to correct me in fact if somebody

didn't correct me would be evil and hateful them for them not to.

Because that's what our salvation is dependent upon is upon God and not us.

Corrections should come.

Yeah, sometimes but Jesus himself brought out the whip and got people out of the temple in that day.

Right, and it says in Matthew 1 or not Matthew 1 Mark 1 14 through 15.

It says that when he was entering into the city of Galilee He was preaching the gospel saying repent and believe in the gospel for the kingdom

of God is at hand.

The very simple message of Jesus Christ saying you have to believe in the gospel is offensive to so many people and that's what we see.

The Pharisees they're saying what you don't.

You're saying that we don't know who God is.

That's an offensive message.

Jesus doesn't say don't be offensive to people.

He says Offend people in such a way that they have no other choice than to look to Jesus Christ and not for their own works.

That's how I see the message of Jesus Christ over and over and over again I I would agree with that 100 %.

There's like -minded Christians that I have bad attitudes.

I agree.

So two more questions.

Yeah, I hope there's a hundred more.

Yeah, I got two more questions.

Why don't you want to watch the chosen?

So that that's a really good question.

So, can I answer your second question before I answer the first one.

So the second one Jesus says in Luke 16 16.

He says that the time of the law and the prophets were until John speaking of John the Baptist.

The root purpose that we see in Amos 3 7 for surely the God revealed with nothing but unto his servants the prophets.

The reason that that is in the Old Testament is because the prophets rule was to point people to the future reality of

Jesus Christ.

So an example of that would be in Psalm 23 was written in 900 BC.

So you don't think that there needs to be any afternoon?

Yes, because in Hebrews 1 It says that since then.

So what what are Apostles?

No, they're not considered prophets.

They weren't prophesying.

They were pointing back to Jesus.

They were saying look at Jesus.

They were pointing back.

And so and not only that but then there's some minutiae stuff with denominations in Christianity that I don't necessarily want to get into.

Yes, because it's a it's hard to explain it to a Christian let alone somebody that doesn't even know what apostolic cessation is and versus

Continuationism is.

It's a long it would be we'd be here for five hours.

Something's ending ceasing.

Yep.

So like that would to me that would mean.

And yeah, yeah, so I that's what I would argue for that's what I how I argue the text.

That's how I argue that text but That's a different note to answer the question about the Chosen God says that you shall

not have any graven images before me and since I believe Jesus is God I do think it's a graven image to us for us to depict him in such a

way on TV.

So I am opposed to it in that way and the Chosen I'm never watching an episode of it but I've been I've heard from my

Christians friends that they they go about presenting Jesus in such a way that it makes him not Have the authority that he's seen

in the scripture.

They change some of his wordings.

They add words that Jesus didn't say to make him more relatable to make him more relatable and I disagree with that.

Okay.

Okay.

So that's the reason I know that there's Christians out there that are good brothers and sisters of mine that that that watch The Chosen

and I'm okay with that.

I'm just saying personally I wouldn't be for it.

But I'm happy that you remembered me Santa and then want to ask me about that that's a good question.

Sort of curious like what you think he was like on earth.

Yeah, that's a good question.

He was he was born a Jew and in In in the time of Jerusalem, so he was.

He was definitely not the color of you and I he was not the color of you and I right.

He wasn't the color of you and I that's all I can tell you for sure.

He wasn't and the way I see Jesus is The way that he described himself to be and that's

fully God fully man.

So he hungered like you and I but yet he was omnipotent and omnipresent and omnipotent.

He knew all things Inside the body of Jesus while he still had hunger pains and grew and went through puberty like I did and so on and so

forth in the manger as he was crying he knew all things because that's what it means to be fully God

and so Absolutely.

It's this.

What's that scripture.

Yes, yep, and now I know I would say that that text is meaning because Jesus says

Sir I'll step right here.

I was just talking with the with with Jen here I I wasn't wanting to be in people's way as they pulled out.

So I Appreciate you though to be honest because I'm not a member of the Church of Jesus Christ

of Latter -day Saints.

And I don't want to be it.

No, sir I used to be I used to be and I want you to know Jesus just as much as I Brought my quad if you don't believe me,

that's my quad.

I could open it up for you I I think I tried to lure him in on accident.

No, they're okay.

I apologize for being on church property.

So the point of it is is I'm at your front doorstep right now.

Just like how LDS missionaries go to my front doorstep telling me about what they believe and they're bearing my testimony.

Or their testimony.

I'm on your front doorstep right here not on your property.

But on your front doorstep and I'm I'm begging you that if you die today.

According to what I see in the Bible and what I would admit the Bible says I have worry about where you place your faith.

And that if you die today, there won't be a second chance.

Just like the rich man of Lazarus.

He says father Abraham Sent Lazarus down with a drip of water on my

tongue to help me to help me cool this flame this torment.

Help me get away from this.

He says nope too late.

There's a great chasm between you and I and he goes on to say that the rich man says Well father Abraham send

somebody from the dead to go and talk to my brothers that are alive still and he says they have the prophets.

They won't believe even if somebody raises from the dead speaking absolutely of Jesus Christ.

And so my message right now is the most important message.

Yeah, so he says in there he says they have the prophets if they don't believe.

They won't believe in Christ because who were the prophets prophesying about Christ.

They were prophesying about his resurrection.

His death is burial.

And so right now I'm telling you that I'm begging with you to look to Jesus Christ alone for your salvation.

Run away from doctrine and works that you think would justify you and look solely upon Jesus Christ.

The final word Jesus says on the cross is to tell us die and it means it is finished.

That's what he says.

That's the final word that he says I Let me answer you got to be on your

hat.

Do you want me to hit your head?

Okay, I was like it's still there.

I could get it for you right now.

Okay, Jesus so that were to tell us die if you don't want me to hit you I won't there was a little way.

So Jesus says to tell us I and just like how you and I go to the store and we buy things.

No, I probably want to look good.

When you look good and probably want to look good to everybody else.

Maybe and then that guy would come back over and tell me I I'm on church property beating somebody up now.

So anyway but just like if we go to Fred Meyer and we buy something with our credit card and we get a receipt and it says

Total amount owed zero when paid at all, right?

That's a receipt that we get today in 2 ,000 years ago.

There were receipts in Jesus's day.

So if I was to sell you a donkey you would pay me the money for the donkey.

I'd give you the donkey and I would give a certificate of Proof of purchase and at the bottom of it.

It would say to tell us I would say it's paid in full that debt has paid.

And so Christ said it is finished a little bit.

I'm not enough to be dangerous.

I'm not to be dangerous.

Greek and Hebrew and and yeah, that's those are the two ones.

So but the point of it is is that Christ paid it all and if we say that we have to add to that atonement.

It's no longer an atonement.

Christ died needlessly for the person that says that they are justified through being obedient to the law.

There's I I could just sit here and risk read the New Testament to you and just point out.

However verse that Paul ever wrote about the to the epistles to the church was telling them look to Jesus alone.

Look to Jesus alone.

Look to him preach him crucified and anybody that says that it is through works and faith that they're

saved.

Not just faith in Christ that they are an enemy of the cross.

They hate the cross.

They don't like it because they see a salvation there that they don't want they reject the cross of Christ.

They're enemies to it is what Paul?

Describes because they think people should have to earn stuff.

Yeah, it's people that believe in a false God.

That's what that's describing.

And there's that people that reject Christ as who he says he was our enemies of the cross and so.

In my 19 years of being LDS, I was never taught one thing.

I just told you from a Christian perspective I learned that Christians believe in X Y & Z.

They don't have the full truth.

They only have partial truth.

They have partial light.

They don't have the full restored gospel.

I'm saying that that restored gospel Never fell away and that gospel message has been being proclaimed since the day of Jesus

Christ in the same message I am teaching right here about the gospel his death burial and resurrection.

The same one that Jesus preached Paul preached Peter preached Justin the martyr preached St.

Augustine preached John Calvin Martin Luther every church father that we can sit in name Charles Spurgeon so on and so

forth.

Every Puritan John Owens.

So on and so forth.

It's that same gospel that I'm here preaching and if we have anything other than that That should throw alarms to you first of all for his

church history shows otherwise in the last 2 ,000 years.

But not only just that but the more important reason because it contradicts what the Bible says.

So I does any of that make sense?

Well, I mean, it's good to understand where you're coming from and how you think

You perceive the The last 2 ,000 years.

And then All the stuff that we view as restored.

Yep.

So if we're calling it restored like like some of the differences so like the stuff we do in

our table ordinances yeah, covenants and and like prophets,

yeah Scripture that we see Scripture that we feel has been revealed and

all that stuff.

So if we if we believe that that's restored and and you

You just don't accept any of it and think that it's all like false and yeah, yep, so you think

that like Well, what about.

But then we also believe in like priesthood do you think that that never left either so.

I would ask you what priesthood means and I could tell you what my understanding of the LDS doctrine is of that.

But the priesthood in the Old Testament was never for doing works for the dead

never for performing marriages.

Never for any of that.

In fact, there was never a marriage or baptism that ever took place in the Old Testament Temple where priests were

doing works.

What we see in the temple is that from the top to the bottom the brim was overfilling with blood of

sacrifices.

Pointing us to Jesus Christ being given by one high priest throughout the year.

So one high priest and so the priests that we see in the Old Testament.

We're always pointing us to Jesus.

Jesus in Hebrews 1 says that he is that high priest.

So no, we don't need to be priests in that sense.

But in Revelation, it does say that because we are in Christ.

He has made us to be priests unto his kingdom.

We are to serve him in that way.

There isn't necessarily a priest.

I wouldn't say that there's a priesthood with keys and authorities that make it so we can go and do these ordinances for people that May may

give them a second chance.

Yes, okay, it's not even unnecessary.

I would say that doing works for the dead is is completely contradictory to the Bible.

Yes, but yes, yes

Jen thank you so much for talking to me.

Oh, I'm gonna probably go get lunch right now.

Do you need a lunch or anything like that?

I know I'm gonna go get dinner now probably.

It's gotten low that's awesome.

Okay.

Yes, do you guys need anything water.

I could get you a hot chocolate if you guys really want a hot chocolate.

Okay, okay fair enough, okay you guys have a good rest of day.

Thanks again Brady and I promise you I will.

Patterson is my last name.

Thank you.

I will I promise you I will read that you gave to me.

Please look more into that gospel track because it's super important.

Yes, God bless yes repent believe in the gospel check.

Thank you.

Hey, thank you so much.

Yeah.

Have a good day.

Hi, I'm pastor Brayden.

I hope you're having a blessed day, and I thank you for watching this video as a Christian.

It is my goal to give God glory alone and to proclaim the gospel message unto

all the nations.

The gospel message is the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ God

in flesh the great I am the perfect lamb and the high priest the only

means of our salvation according to scriptures and that through having faith in that

alone for your salvation you Will be saved.

Repent and believe in the gospel once again.

Thank you and God bless.