End Times Again

Rapture Watch, Reformation Identity, and Opening Banter

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The bastard child of Anabaptist. Host to child of Reformation society. We don't need your education. Give me a Bible and a bookshelf of dead men. Cigars, bourbons, and beer cans. Bow ties, tattoos, and bearded men.

Making Reformation great again. You can say what you want. You can say what you want, but you won't around me. You can say what you want, but you won't around me. Is it safe? Is it safe? I don't know.

I don't think Brayden... I think Brayden really got raptured. Brayden actually did get taken. Oh my goodness. Buddy, ha ha. Well, as much as y 'all probably hoped for that to be true, I want to say this right now for my dispy friends.

That wasn't my idea. We're going to blame that on Haps. Oops. Since Brayden is not here, let me set up my phone. Okay, let's see what's going on. All right. So welcome to Open Air Theology. My name is Jeff.

And I am one of the hosts here for the Open Air Theology show. And I'm here with Haps Addison. I'm going to let him introduce himself in a minute. As far as myself, I am one of the pastor elders of Covenant Reformed Baptist Church in Tallahoma, Tennessee.

And again, I'm here with Haps.

Haps, introduce yourself. Well, hello. I am Haps Addison, former pastor of All Branch Ministries, one of the co-hosts of Open Air Theology, and a part of Covenant Reformed Baptist Church in Tennessee.

And I'm glad I'm here.

Hallelujah. Now, I'm not sure what's up with. Let me see. Oh, yeah, coming back. I guess he was raptured, and now he's coming back.

Yeah, he's coming back for the fourth time.

Somebody, Nate. Okay, here he comes. Oh, I don't see his body, though. Let's see.

Oh, now he did get taken. Oh, gosh.

Well, that's okay. I think we do better without him. But I thought the wicked got taken away first. I'm back, baby. Mormons don't go to heaven.

No, no, they don't. Found that one out. So, Brayden, why don't you introduce yourself?

I'm Pastor Brayden, the not-raptured-today, anyway. Yeah, yeah. Christian, pastor of a church named Valley Baptist Church in Hagerman, Idaho. If you live in the area, it would be a blessing to have you come join our fellowship and worship God with us.

I'm just super thankful to be a part of this group of Open Air Theology and just co-host with Jeff and Apps.

End Times Speculation and Friendly Eschatology Banter

All right. So, topic for the night is end times again. So, as some of you may know, we are on a high rapture watch. Oh. Yeah. So, it was, let's see. Okay, I don't understand that question. That had nothing to do with our conversation for the night.

So, high rapture. So, there was a high rapture watch for the 15th. There's one for the 19th, and that's today, depending on where you are in the world. So, if by chance, like we really do, you know, it is what it is, right?

But there's also a high watch on the 23rd. Now, again, we're not doing this to make fun of our dispensational brothers. But, I mean, we're just doing this to have fun, right? Yeah. I was once a dispensationalist.

And so was I. I don't think Brayden ever came to the dark side. I can never claim that title, no. But yeah, so we just want to talk about it because it seems like every year, twice a year, so around Pentecost and around the Feast of Trumpets.

Yes. You know, I was really expecting it around the Feast of Tabernacles, you know. You know, just stop and hear me out for a second. Feast of Tabernacle, Revelation 12 sign. It happened again. And I was disappointed.

I didn't get taken out. Yeah. Well, hey, Josh, if you're a dispensationalist, we'd love to have you on here to have that conversation, brother. I've been inviting some dispensationalists to come on here.

And yeah, no one to come on here.

And if you came on here, we wouldn't clown, dude. You know, we're just clowning around because we're all best friends. We're just having fun and stuff. But if you came on here, we'd give you the utmost respect and you out.

Maybe we're wrong.

If we were talking about covenant theology, we'd be making fun of the Presbyterian brothers right now in which they make fun of us. If we can't have Christian fun, like, like, like what's up? And he said he'd be happy to come on and engage with us.

All right. What about right now? Yeah. Hop on in, man. That'd be sweet. Yeah. Let's do it right now. I can send you the link. Yeah. Yeah. Come on in, dude. Let's have fun. Let's set something up. But you have to be, you know, you have to be, you know, of a, you know, graceful with us and laugh and have fun because this is what the show is about.

Yeah. If you want to have a serious debate, we can set that up. Yeah, we can do that too. Come on in now and have a conversation and just talk about the things that are going on. I'll send you the link, brother.

Yeah. And let me just tell you, brother, you know, back at our conference back in February, we all sat around smoking cigars and smoking pipes and a whole bunch of pastors and just regular, regular folk.

And some of us were dispensationalists. Some of us were all mills. Some were post mill. Some were pan mill, you know, and we all made fun of each other and we had a blast and we all love each other very, very, very much.

No one was safe. No one was safe.

No one was safe. Yeah. I mean, we were making fun of the Presbyterian and as soon as he found out a dispensationalist was in the room. Yeah, Greg. Yeah. Look at Brayden. He's pointing at his palms like he forgot to get the vaccine for small palms.

Small palms. He didn't get the vaccine for small palms. Oh, look at Kevin Hayes on watching. What's up, Kevin?

Yeah. I mean, all we're doing is, you know, like if, you know, if you hang out with us, man, you know, like, like whenever I was a gangbanger or whatever, you know what I'm saying? Like me and the boys would hang out, the crew and we'd hang out.

We make fun of each other. Yeah. That's all we're doing, man. That's all we're doing. We're just doing it with fun. Like, like Kevin, Kevin. Hey, he's a, he's a dispensational, right, Kevin?

Yeah. I don't think he wants to announce that to the world.

Hey, I love Kevin. Hey. Yeah. Kevin Hayes. Awesome. That's my. Hey, hey, hey. He knows how we are and he'll make fun of us. We'll make fun of him. And yeah, it's all good. And in the Christian world, I mean, that's how it should be.

Right. I mean, are we brothers and sisters in the Lord? Yeah. Well, if we are, then we should be able to make fun of one another without, you know, people getting butt hurt. Anyway. So yeah, that's all it was.

And we want to talk about some end time stuff and stuff like that. I got to ask a question real fast.

Brayden, are you posing for GQ magazine or something like that? Look off in the distance.

Look, if I'm going to get, if I'm going to get raptured, I want to look good while doing it.

It's hard for me to look at you because I keep looking in the woods, hoping to see Bigfoot.

Yeah. You're not going to see him. I'm not doing, I'm not doing demonic calls out here.

Someone is asking if we're Postmale. And the answer is no.

Whoa. Time out. Did you just flip flop. Habs? No, I. Habs, what are you? Just, just tell us what you are.

Come out the closet. Come out the closet. I'm a historic Postmale. That's all. No, it's not. That's all male. Historic Postmales. Oh man.

Let's call it all male. All right. All male. Yeah. I get that. I mean, I know the a is a negation, but that's not historically what, what it means. Like, like for the all millennial list, we believe that.

So if you want to take the thousand years, so depending on how you want to look at the thousand years or whatever, and, and it's fine. However, I'm, I'm. Listen, when I talk eschatology, I talk eschatology like this so I can go, I mean, cause there's things that I go, I don't know.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know, but, but I, but I'm, but just to tell you where I stand as an all male, I would say that the first advent to the second advent is where I believe the thousand years is.

And so this is the millennial reign, right? Christ is in heaven on the throne of David, ruling and reigning and putting all of his enemies under his feet. And when he returns, he will put that last enemy under his feet, which is death.

And then we'll have that. Oh, we've got so many making fun of us already. Who is it? Uh, Josh, uh, crazy, crazy. Is that how you say it?

Josh crazy. I don't know how, how, how, I don't know how he would pronounce it, but yeah. So, uh, yeah. Absolutely. Make fun of us. That's fine.

Acts 2, 1 Corinthians 15, and the All-Millennial Case

Yeah. Yeah. Well, and the idea of that is just to break that down in scriptures and acts chapter two. It says, uh, according to Luke that Jesus fulfilled that prophecy of sitting on the Davidic throne, um, which is prophesied all over in the old Testament that he says that he was looking forward to the resurrection of Jesus Christ and that Jesus now stands as the right hand, the father that he's seating as sitting on the throne.

And so you would say that's a prophecy that has been realized, has been fulfilled at the resurrection of that is what David was looking forward to was that resurrection. And then according to first Corinthians chapter 15, that, that is a death has, has been defeated and it will be defeated when he comes back fully for all people.

Um, and that is when the new song will be sung. Um, and that's the issue that I think a lot, in my opinion, that pre-millennialism runs into because in first Corinthians chapter 15, it teaches that at the coming, the second coming of Christ death will be done away with which in millennialism, it teaches that there's a year, um, literal physical millennial reign where people are still suffering.

Death sin is still taking place. Creation is unglorified. People have yet to receive a fully glorified body in that sense. And so that is truly a problematic to me as a millennialist. When I read the scripture, honestly, and see in first Corinthians, chapter 15, that when Christ comes, death is done away with, and then to have a teaching that says that death still takes place.

That's why we would love to have you on here, Josh, is to talk about those things.

Calvary Chapel Rapture Fear and Personal Eschatology

Yeah. And you know, um, you know, I, I grew up, uh, my family grew up in the Calvary chapel movement, you know, um, and I was always force fed that it was like, oh, the, you know, the rapture is going to happen and maybe next year, uh, or this coming August or, you know, whatever.

It was always this paranoia thing, you know? And, um, and it was just one, and this is before the internet. And it was just like one, uh, um, false prophecy after the other, after the other, after the other.

And, uh, and I'm not saying I, some of my best friends are Calvary chapel, but my, where I, where I got really hung up on. Um, yeah, what I got, uh, hung up on and what I wrestled with, because, you know, I was, uh, um, dispensational, didn't even know what that was.

Uh, but when I came to the faith, I stuck to that because I'd never studied, uh, the, the end things. I never studied eschatology, but I landed into post-mill, uh, you know, because it just sounded, it sounded good.

You know, it was good to me, you know? And, um, and, uh, as I started studying, it was me and Jeff were both post-millennialist and, uh, and theonomist and, uh, um, we had a, another show together and, uh, we were, um, being convicted by the scriptures is what the scriptures were showing us.

And, um, and so my, my big question was, uh, is, um, Christ coming back? Well, yes, we, we all agree with that. Uh, when he comes back, is he going to, uh, is the dead in Christ going to rise first? Well, yeah.

And then those that are left on the earth will rise. Well, yeah. So we believe that's the rapture right there and then we'll be gathered together with him in the air. All right. And then, uh, uh, Christ is going to separate the goats and sheep and stuff like that.

But what, what they want me to believe is that we're going to reign with Christ. Um, when he returns, that's when he'll be on the, uh, Davidic throne. All right. And he's going to reign when he comes back and we're going to reign with him.

Get this in our glorified bodies. Did you hear that in our glorified bodies? And, and, and, and we're going to reign with them for a thousand years. And then Satan is going to get let loose after the thousand year reign, uh, and to deceive the nations.

Well, all nations are going to be flowing to Christ. You know, so I had these questions that does not make any sense at all, but so that's what I was struggling with. And I, I, I believe what Jesus said when he said all authority in heaven and on earth in heaven and on earth has been given to him, uh, therefore go.

That's why we go and make disciples of all nations and baptize them in the name of the father, son, and the Holy spirit, teaching them to obey all that crisis commanded and low. He'll be with us. He'll, he'll be with us until the end of the age.

And so I think somebody is wrong. It's, it's, it's either, uh, the, um, Jesus and the scriptures are wrong or maybe, uh, and I, I believe it's, it's, uh, something I, I'm not going to, I was going to say something rude, but that wouldn't be nice.

But I cut my teeth on Perry stone and all these guys, you know what I'm saying? Like there used to be a, uh, on my, on my license plate, it used to say, uh, this, this vehicle in case of rapture, this vehicle will be unmanned.

And, and, and again, I try to keep myself like, you know, like if the rapture, if there is a rapture, uh, which I think there is, I just don't think it's this. I don't think it's as described in the premillennial dispensational, uh, schema of things.

Like, like, like, like if there was one, I wouldn't just like be all man. Okay. He's about to enter in. So here we go. What's up, man.

Dispensationalism, Covenant Theology, and the Church in the Old Testament

Oh, what's up, man. How do you say your last name? You nailed it. Crease.

Crease. All right. Crease. Yep. Okay, man.

See, I got from, so I like, I'm trying to put it together, but I, but I'm looking at it and it just, it, to me, it doesn't look like it, but what do I do?

Do you got a Westminster shirt on? I do, man.

Are you Presbyterian? I'm not, but I go to a, I go to a, uh, URC church, United Reform. Oh yeah.

And they haven't kicked you out. And you're dispensational?

I'm dispensational through and through.

Well, hallelujah, holler back.

Really trying to get me to baptize my babies.

Don't do it. Don't do it. Listen, we have a book coming out on covenant theology next year and read it before you make that decision. So.

Oh, don't worry. I'm dispensed. So I have a joke. I always tell him that, uh, like, so why don't you baptize your babies? I'm like, ah, my dispensationalism keeps me safe. Yeah. No more. Uh, I don't, I don't have to worry about all the covenant theology.

You guys, that's all you guys really want to be reformed.

You should baptize your babies. Well, no, no, no, no. You see, here's the difference. Here's the difference is it's because, uh, uh, the deal is, is they think reforming stopped with them, right? The Baptist, the particular Baptist, we kept reforming.

We kept going to the scriptures and we definitely see their view of covenant theology. It's false.

Temple reformanda is what we dispensationalists live by. We're just continuing on.

Do you hear this? Well, again, so, so, well, I don't want to give up away everything, but we plan on doing our life. Like there's some edits that need to be made in the 1689 and I will be the first to say it.

Yeah. We've been heavy in discussion about that. Yeah. So we're all in agreement.

Yeah. So like I hold my Bible. Here. I hope my 1689 life right here.

I need one of those. I need one of those rebinds, Jeff. Oh man, you know, I bought, I bought one of my, uh, we have, we have like an intern pastor every year. So our, our pastor, uh, gets an intern in and we actually bought him a post-Tenebrous Lux from Rebind ESV and sent him off to his, uh,.

Now that's real love. That is, that's real love.

So tell us about you before we get down.

I underlined all the dispensational verses for him before I gave it to him. So the whole Bible.

So it didn't have any underlines at all, right? It was blank. Wow.

Wow. So it was still on the box. Yeah. Tell us about you. Yeah. Where are you from? Uh, so I am from originally from Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Okay. So, um, when COVID hit, I don't know if you got, I'm sure you guys know like James Coates and Stephen's.

Absolutely. Yeah. So I, uh, I used to attend Tim Stevens church. Now I attend, we moved down about two and a half hours South to a small town, uh, Lethbridge. So that's where we live. Uh, I am a, I'm a father, husband.

I got five kids. My oldest is eight. My youngest is two. Had to think about that for a second. Yeah, I know. I get it. Um, I'm a, like I said, I'd be a bad Presbyterian. Like they got all the kids like down to a, to a T but, uh, yeah, no, I'm a, and I'm 34 just about to turn 35.

I do a funny enough. What got me into your podcast watching is when you played that song last time. And I found out you're a rapper. Cause I actually been Christian hip hop myself. Oh yeah. Well, we need to do something together.

Well, we can definitely, we can definitely talk about it. I work with, uh, I, I think I told you wrath and grace. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. I know. No wrath of grace. Yeah. When I was 14, I signed with a slit your wrist production. It was an underground label. And I was on there with a bunch of grown man. All of them were suicidal. I was faking it.

You know, just production. Cause you wind up with slit wrists. You wind up six feet. Joshua. So, so do you know, uh, very well. Yeah. Exactly. Just a couple of months ago. Have you, have you ever met Dana?

Willie? Uh, yeah, I haven't met him, but, uh, like I, I've done a bunch of work for like a and R work for wrath and grace. So like I heard in a Willie's project. Oh yeah. Like before most people, he's really, really talented.

Yeah. He, he wrote all that stuff at my house. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I, I was, I was absolutely amazed when I look at people like him and, uh, um, Jeff and, and when they do these, he just sits down, they just sit down and just wrap, wrap this out and then come up with beats and I just think it's amazing.

Yeah.

I couldn't wrap. He was actually on like, he, he was a, he was a background vocalist, but I did a, uh, I did a song called open the doors and all the churches closed. He actually sang the last hook with me on that track.

So, you know, Dana, Dana is very, very talented. Oh yeah.

Yeah. I went to Vegas with him and his wife, me and my, my wife works for his wife and, uh, in accounting and everything. But yeah. Anyways. So, so how long have you, uh, uh, been, um, following the Lord and, and were you always a dispensationalist or, uh, I didn't get rapture.

I think he did.

Got taken out. No, we all are still here. So he's, he's still here. I have a feeling if it does happen, they're going to leave me. He's only me here. I caused too much trouble. Um, what was I saying? Look up.

No, no. Uh, look up something. We're that John Hagee thing. How does he say it? Oh man. Look up, pack up. We're going to look up.

I got, I got my rapture helmet on. I can't remember.

I used to be look, man. We hate John Hagee just as much as you guys. It's not, it's not even fair. So, so here's what I'll tell you. Like, uh, I grew up my dad. Um, I grew up in a, in a household, like basically charismatic church.

Um, I would say I became a Christian when I was 20. 21. So I've been a Christian for about 14, 13, 14 years now. Uh, I used to play tricks on my brothers, like, and my parents, I used to like lay clothes in the middle of my floor and then like, try to like get them to come up and make them think the rapture happened.

But I was so terrified because my grandma made me watch all these terrible rapture movies when I was a kid. Yeah. My brothers. And, um, what I did is we would all be like laying on my parents' bed, watching a movie.

My brother would be at the foot of the bed and I put my feet on his back just in case like I passed out and he got raptured, my feet would drop and I'd know the rapture happened. Like I was that terrified of rapture when I was a kid.

Yeah. I hear you, man.

Rapture Dreams, Charismatic Background, and Cessationism

Yeah. Yeah. My first exposure to it was the left behind movies. And, and, and I, listen, I still, I love those movies. I watch more in time dispensational stuff, probably the 90 of the dispensationalist.

All right. I mean, like, I love listening to that stuff. Who do you watch? That's the question. I watch them all. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. So I love listening to the rapture dreams that be happening because I've had what I would, what I would probably call a rapture dreams.

Right. You know, like, like there was this dream that I had I'll go ahead and, you know, well, well, there's several, but, but, but this one's really good. So I was I was rolling over in my bed and I had my arm out like this and I was going, I was rolling over and all of a sudden when my arm was here, all of a sudden I was in a barn and, and I was looking on the, it was, you know, I was looking at the ground.

I was kind of like, Oh, dark wood. And there was hay and stubble on the ground. And I looked up in front of me and there was a man standing in front of me and brown rags had brown hair. And I'm not saying it was Jesus.

Right. If it was Jesus, he humbled himself. Okay. And he was just staring at me. And then I was thinking to myself, I was like, what's this fricking guy staring at? Like I was thinking, does he want some, you know, and all of a sudden he points over my left shoulder and I turn around and there was, and there was earth.

It wasn't flat. It was round. It was earth inside the barn. Right. I mean, in all of its glory, it was beautiful. It's probably about that big around. It was so beautiful, you know, in hindsight, you know, I didn't think it was beautiful in the dream.

And I looked at it. It was the earth floating inside the barn. And I turned around and looked at him. I said, it's earth. And then he points at it again. And I turn around and look at it and lights like radiant lights started to appear all over the earth.

And I turned back and looked at him. I said, they're lights. So what? And then he says, look again. And I turn around completely this time and I'm looking at it. And he walks up behind me and he puts his hand on my, his left hand on my left shoulder and his face was right here.

And those lights started to disappear. And he said to me, he says, the lights are leaving the earth. You must tell everyone. And then as I go to turn around, he was already back in the position that he was probably six, seven, eight foot in front of me.

And I was thinking to myself how, and all of a sudden my brother comes and grabs my hand. And my brother recently died. Six years ago. From a heroin overdose. He grabs my hand as if him and I are going to do it together.

And then the guy tells us to sit down on earth. And so we're kind of like backing up and kind of like going and sit down and hesitate. And you know what I'm saying? And then finally we sit down and we're falling from space to earth and earth.

It was like, we're sky down. I could see clouds flying by my head and all of a sudden I land back in my bed and my arm was still stretched out. And I was thought, Oh my Lord, the rapture is about to happen and I got to tell people and, and I went on a mission.

Like, listen to me, dude. I went on a mission. Now I have an interpretation of what I think it means now, but I won't get into it. Well, okay. I will. I kind of feel like it's, it was, you know, now in hindsight with my theology now I feel like it's speaking about, because in revelation chapter one, it says the churches are the lampstands.

We are the light. And instead of the lights leaving the earth in a rapture, I really, because I truly believe, I believe that God can speak to me. And so I, I would say that it's more so saying that, and this is where my pre, my, my post-meal friends will come at me is that the church is leaving the world, not in a way of rapture, but in a way that the church has been exposed for not truly being the church.

And so I believe that the real church will rise up. And we've seen this in COVID, right? COVID exposed a lot of churches and a lot of churches closed down because they wasn't, I would say truly the church, but I won't go no further into that interpretation, but I've had, I've had a bunch of dreams like that.

Well, I didn't know. You were charismatic, Jeff.

Well, yeah, I was originally ordained. I was originally ordained in the assemblies of God.

I did know that you mentioned that last, that last time.

He's assemblies of God, 1689. That's why, that's how he rolls, man. Yeah. I mean, I, dude, I, I,.

I can tell you some stuff right now. And, uh, like the people in my church would probably stop coming. Hey Jeff, you went a little too far, brother.

Cessationism, Continuationism, and the Cessationist Film

Josh, could I ask you something before, uh, you, you give your reasoning or, um, a defense on why you believe in dispensational? What convicted you, uh, convinced you, uh, whatnot. Um, let me ask you this.

Before you get started, um, are you a sensationalist? Cessationist? Cessationist. I got no front teeth. I'm sorry.

You're not. And I just finished watching the cessationist movie as well. Was it good? I'm not a cessationist.

You're a continuationist. Uh, I am, but like very.

With seatbelts. Very qualified, we'll say.

Okay. Did you watch ours last week? What do you think about my interpretation of it?

Oh, I didn't actually see what you, what you thought of it. Then what are you doing with your life? Man, I got five kids. I've barely got time to do this. I can hear my kids upstairs. I'm just waiting for my wife to come downstairs and be like, um, no, the movie was really, it was interesting.

They did a really good job. Uh, the cinematography was really well done. Uh, David, you know, Dave Lovey or whatever his name is, like the guy who did it, like he wrote it.

Yeah. Claude, Claude, Claude Ramsey interviewed him, I think.

I don't think Dave was actually in the film. He, he just wrote, he was the voice behind everything when there was no interview. Yeah. Yeah. But he reached out to me a couple months ago. Cause I released a project and he asked me to do a song for it.

And I actually declined and I was like, I can't in good conscience do a song for it. And then he spent like a couple days on the phone with me, trying to convince me of cessationism. And I'm like, look, man, I, I was a cessationist for a long time.

Like I grew up in a charismatic church. I, I grew up seeing all the abuses. I listened to MacArthur, uh, loved strange fire, you know, was, was a cessationist for a number of years. And I just kind of swung back a bit to the middle and I'm like, yeah, I'm not, not fully convinced.

I will say like, I don't believe in, in, uh, apostles and prophets anymore.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

That is a form of cessationism.

Yeah. It is a form of it. But so, so for instance, like in the film, there's a part in there, I can't remember who was being interviewed, but according to him, I'm not a Protestant because I'm not a cessationist.

So I was just like, okay, well, that's weird. Yeah. It was an interesting statement. He's like, yeah, if you're a cessationist or you're a continuationist, you are not a Protestant. And I was like, okay, well that's a, that's a bold claim.

And then I didn't really see anything to back it up, but it is what it is. Uh, for me, I would also be convinced like, I don't think tongues is ecstatic gibberish. I believe it's languages, the ability to speak in language you've never learned.

I just believe that God can impart that gift on somebody if he chooses to do it, which cessationists would agree with, except if you're John MacArthur and he would say God would never do that. So I'm just not willing to say God wouldn't do it.

Right. I can respect that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Uh, and as far as like healings, the other big one, I'm still trying to sort through. Like, obviously I, I would struggle with the idea.

Well, do you believe that there's a, like a man has that gift?

Well, I was just going to say like, I struggle with the, with the idea that someone would have the gift of healing.

So to speak, you're sounding more and more like, like a continuationist every time. Really?

In reality it's like, all it is really is the tongues thing. And I believe that. Like, I do believe that.

You need to go listen to last week's message. I mean the last week's thing.

Send me a link. All right. Send it to my, send it to my, DM it to me.

All right. So let's get on the subject. Dispensationalism. Ten times again. Now, come on now. And like, like you got to admit in the dispensational camp, twice a year, Pentecost and the Feast of Trumpets.

The Feast of Tabernacles. Oh yeah. Yes. No. Yeah. The Feast of Tabernacles. No, it's Trumpets, right? It's both of them. Yeah. I mean, they're so close together. I think it's the Feast of Trumpets. So, so anyways, at least twice a year, because Israel was, was made a nation 1948.

All right. And if you, so like, if you add it up, I think it's, it's 1948 till 2030. I think it is. How many years is that? 88. 88. Okay. So they're saying that that is the, according to some kind of prophecy, given that a man's, that a generation can be 88 years.

All right. Now, if that's true, then a seven-year tribulation, in order for the seven-year tribulation to be true, that it has to happen in the year 2023. And so there, so, so, so right now, all these dispensationalists that I, that I know and listen to outside of MacArthur or something like that, the 15th, the 19th, which is today and the 23rd, they're saying the rapture is going to happen.