Dr. John Robbins Undermining Scriptural Authority! | Part One

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So what do we do with those people who say this is all about scriptural authority? Well, I want to ask him.

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Do you eat oysters? Yes, I do. Do you wear clothing and more than one material?

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Guilty. Does your wife come to worship with you and talk? Mm -hmm What do they base it on?

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God's word. It's not about authority. It's about Interpretation and listen the fact of the matter is even

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Jesus got fed up with some of that Old Testament stuff What What hold me back?

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I'm telling you man Look, this is in your home state dog Yes, true.

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So on that one, it's gonna get worse. It's gonna get a little bit worse here and I mean the whole thing's bad, but we're just gonna

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Jesus got fed up with that old Old Testament stuff That's his word

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All right. Welcome everybody to another episode of the parish reform podcast Well today we're gonna be critiquing

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Pastor Church in Little Rock at the United Methodist Church and Pulaski United Methodist Church in Little Rock, Arkansas Come across this video people some people

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I know had some questions about it. So I Listened to it and I had to call up my my apologetic dog to Critique this with me and discuss it.

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So I want to welcome him first and then we'll get right into it So guess who it is everybody

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The apologetic dog. What's up? What's going on? Thanks for having me on train. You got it, man

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So what about it? What about it? So you watch this video

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I sent it to you It was very hard for me to listen to very hard it was

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I mean I just it was just evil It was just you know, it's like the

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Satan in the garden just twisting God's Word Did God really say is that what what do you feel when you you first listen to this?

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Yeah, it hurt my heart because you and I we care about teaching the scripture we care about handling the

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Word of God with precision and with care because we're gonna give an account for souls one day and So one thing that he did it's very deceptive

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He just makes it all in an issue of interpretation not biblical authority and so you can say that but We understand what you're really meaning because you can just say everything's an interpretation issue at that point

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And so at some point we have to say well It's much deeper than an interpretation issue the route that you've chosen is actually undermine

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God's Word and God's authority And so we'll get more into hermeneutics and how to properly interpret scripture

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It's okay to have disagreement on tertiary issues But you have to handle the

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Word of God with care and you can't and like we're gonna see in this sermon He takes out proof text. We're gonna contextualize those verses

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We're gonna look at definitions of terms and really show the danger of how many professing, you know pastors how they

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Simply just go to proof text. And so The thing is when you don't know scripture when you really don't know it and and you just you just go in and you listen to somebody

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I Mean they can pull the wool over your eyes, you know, and it's it happens all the time

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So I tell people we have to be creatures of the Word. We have to know God's Word We have to study God's Word because here's a guy who has his

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I guess his PhD. It says doctor John Robbins, so It seems as if I mean he dresses nice.

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He's at a very nice church He's been doing this for a long time and surely he knows what he's talking about So I just trust him right and that's what people do but you find out you bout to find out

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He's wrong You know, so where do you want to jump in out here? Let's go.

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I want to show you a little clip I want to share a little clip first. Well, first of all, he's talking about 1st Corinthians chapter 1 verse 10

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Okay, so let's just read this real quick and I'll go here to 1st

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Corinthians 10 I mean 1st 1 10.

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Let's see here. You see what it says and Jeremiah tell us what his point was here when he's reading this.

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Yeah, I'm sorry. I did I did 10 1 10

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Well, and I'll tell a little bit what he's saying and The video that you need to go watch is on YouTube and we'll be showing some clips of it

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But it's it's called who has the final word who has the final word and it's by Dr.

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John Robbins, so you can look that up on YouTube We're gonna show you a little bits and pieces of it as we go, but he starts off by reading this right here

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I appeal to you brothers right here By the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that all of you agree and that there be no divisions among you

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But that you be united in the same mind in the same judgment first been reported to me that Chloe's people that they're quarrelsome

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Quarreling among you my brothers. What means that each one of you says I follow Paul I follow Paulus I follow

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Cephas or I follow Christ is Christ divided was Paul crucified for you Will you baptize the name of Paul?

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I thank God so it's where he starts and that's where his whole point at that point He doesn't read

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Scripture. He doesn't break down Scripture he uses this like like Jeremiah you were saying as a proof text as to why we shouldn't have divisions and It shouldn't matter what

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Paul says all that matters is what Jesus says The red letters the red letters matter, right and we're gonna go deeper than that.

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But go ahead I know you want to say something about that Yeah, well, I'm glad you started in verse 10 because Paul is talking about unity, right?

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He is saying that is the whole purpose of the church is we're to be unified in God's truth and so we're to have the same mind we're to have the mind of Christ Philippians 2 talks about and so Paul is talking about unity that exists in the church and then verse 12

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Says ladies, but what I mean is that each of you says Now this person that's saying these things like I follow

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Paul. I follow Paulus. I follow Cephas I follow Christ. This is someone that assumes disunity between Peter Paul Apollos and Jesus And so we have to keep in mind

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Paul and Apollos These are two different men that God has called in the ministry of Christ and they have different skill sets

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But they are meant to complement one another in the unity of Christ but what do

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I mean is that each one of you says this person is assuming that There is disunity with these people and it's interesting because the guy that we're critiquing

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He is doing the exact thing that the Apostle Paul is warning against this guy's basically saying

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I follow Jesus his red letters Trump everything else in Scripture as though there is disunity

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With what Christ is saying with what the Apostle Paul is saying and so for one

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He doesn't he's not understanding the context here because as you keep going Paul says is

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Christ divided Was Paul crucified for you or were you baptized in the name of Paul? Point is no we were we were baptized into Christ into his authority.

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There's great unity there I believe later Trey in 1st Corinthians chapter 3 We see this idea of divisions being brought up with Paul and Apollos and he says look we have different callings in God's ministry, right?

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We understand that Apollos is someone that has eloquent speech Paul's like I'm not like that I'm not gifting that way, but you know what?

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I'm going to plant right? I'm gonna I'm gonna sow that gospel seed Someone like Apollos is gonna come and water, but it's ultimately

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God that gives the increase Why because we're unified in the things of the

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Lord. Yeah There you go. So he's doing exactly What Paul is getting on these people for doing right taking things out of context and in and later on in his sermon

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He even talks about how Jesus does change scriptures and he encourages us to change scripture as well.

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I'll show you that So, let's go here I think that I have his

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I have his transcript printed out Because you told me how to do that. That was awesome. Thank you for that.

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There's quite a few things here. I Almost want to just play this clip right here. Let me see something here.

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Oh My goodness, let's go here.

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It's hard to really fast -forward on this little thing. You got this tea fish, daddy okay, so Check this about all right,

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I Just want to make a point. I think this is funny because I just want to warn people say look don't don't do this because this is a

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Never gonna work out. Let's see

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I don't know what's going on He without trying to vilify anybody they made it abundantly clear.

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It was over issues of human sexuality Well, I just thought that was funny when he says

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I don't want to vilify anyone here, but hmm, right It's it's a Ricky Bobby move, you know

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Yeah, I don't want to say it but you know when you say I don't want to vilify anybody But then you go ahead and vilify him, right?

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You don't want to early later on He says look I don't want to be braggadocious, but then he goes on to brag about himself

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Just very contradictory. Okay, and this is what I like to do when I'm talking to people I just want to hold people to their own standard, right?

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That's what we do, right? Right, and so when we hold him to his own standard, we see so many contradictions in his sermon during this whole thing which people in the audience

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Aren't picking up obviously because at the end of the the whole sermon they stand up clapping, you know and so what this is all about really this whole video starts out with these, uh

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Two girls who are in a mirage what they call, you know, they call it a marriage.

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We call it a mirage they're lesbians and This whole sermon is about homosexuality and it's okay to be a part and a member of the church and be living in a homosexual relationship and not calling it sin because what he is saying is

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Jesus never says it's a sin and Which goes back to what you were saying that when you say that that Jesus and Paul are at odds with each other, right?

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We get into Leviticus later on but uh, you want to add anything to that? Yes so To kind of get us ready for some of the things he's gonna be saying of letting

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Jesus have the final word Well, the problem here is there's a misunderstanding What scripture is

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Scripture is not just contained to the red letters of what Jesus said, which by the way, Jesus did not write scripture

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This was recorded by his apostles and those that were associated Associated with the

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Apostles and so we have to understand that all scripture is God breathed Whether whether you're reading the red letters or you're reading the black letters so it's not like there's a disunity between what

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Jesus says and what the Old Testament says and then later with the rest the New Testament says with the

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Apostle Paul So the way to demonstrate this is if Jesus is your standard, which it should be well, then

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Jesus the night before his crucifixion and John's Gospel chapters 13 14 15 16 and 17

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He is telling the Apostles that he is going to send the spirit of truth to teach them truth to guide them into all truth

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And so we understand that the Apostle Peter would have been there and Jesus is promising him

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Especially the Holy Spirit to be able to teach truth. So when you go look at 1st and 2nd

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Peter, right? What is 2nd Peter chapter 3 later say all these things that the

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Apostle Paul says some of them are hard to understand Be a false teachers creeping inside the church church to twist scripture to twist the writings of Paul, which is also

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Scripture so if you have a problem with the Apostle Paul you have a problem with what the Apostle Peter said and Ultimately you have a problem with what

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Jesus said himself And so if you're gonna accept the words of Jesus and you accept the Gospels Well, then you have to accept the book of Luke and if you go read train if you go back if you go read

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Acts Chapter 9 Jesus appeared to Ananias and said it's okay He is a the

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Apostle Paul Saul of Tarsus is a chosen vessel of mine to bear my name to Gentiles to Kings and to the children of Israel and so if you have a problem with the

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Apostle Paul once again You have a problem with what Jesus himself said about calling

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Paul to apostleship And so it's not like there's this disunity once again

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But rather all scripture is breathed out by God and inspired by the Holy Spirit Yeah, that's the issue is that he is dividing

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God's Word. I mean, it's just blatant. I mean you watch the video I mean, he even says that Jesus changes scripture like he changes scripture and I and I know so here's one two things

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This guy's his PhD right in theology either he cheated and He never studied

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Because he but I know for I know this guy knows better I know if you went back and asked this guy ten years ago his stance 20 years ago, whatever.

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He might know obvious the scripture is Clear about this, but because culture has now shifted

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This is where he's going. He knows He knows he knows how to read scripture. He knows context.

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He knows genre. He knows that it's unity. He knows that he knows that But he doesn't believe it anymore

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And now he's teaching Horrible things he's doing what Satan did in the garden. He is twisting

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God's Word and Deceiving people. Okay, so I want to show you this little clip right here of what you're talking about That Christ's words matter more than Paul's words the disunity of the

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Word of God. Let's see if we can get this plane Peter or they even follow

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Paul and Paul makes it abundantly clear Paul says was I crucified for you?

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Were you baptized in my name? Don't follow me. I am NOT Jesus The final word for us the greatest voice for us in the

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United Methodist Church and in Christendom Worldwide is the message of Jesus Christ It supersedes all else

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But for some Who are leaving the United Methodist Church? They have made the determination that scriptural authority is most important from their perspective and I wonder what is scriptural authority mean?

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Wow So see I he's saying he's questioning scriptural authority like what you were saying earlier.

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It's more about your interpretation It's not authority. No, it is authority because what you're doing now

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Mr. Preacher man, dr. Robbins. You're saying that your word has more authority than God's Word Right, yeah, he's saying that my word and my interpretation has more authority than the

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Word of God and God is wrong and now I am changing Scripture and We'll show you in a minute where he even says it.

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I don't know if many people pick up on it But that's what it's about. It is about authority of Scripture because interpretation

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What do you say to people when they give you they say well, that's just my interpretation. What do you say to people like that?

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Yeah To me this is a cop -out when he just says well This isn't a matter of biblical authority because we may hear this later

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But he says he takes personal offense at that that his position as other people see it as he's abandons scriptural authority

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Well, what he is saying is of course, I believe in the Bible's authority But my interpretation of it just might be different as yours and so we should still be able to fellowship and get along Well, you can say that it's just an interpretation issue, but that's everything

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Right how we glean truths from God's Word So interpretation is everything but not all interpretations are equally valid That's right

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That's that's really key in this conversation because if you abandon the grammatical historical method of interpretation

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You can make this book say anything that you want. I try to encourage my students You can make the

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Bible say anything you want. You can actually say the Bible teaches there is no God Yeah, but what is what is the whole verse in context say the fool has said in his heart there is no

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God Right. And so what this gentleman is doing is he's taking proof text. He's abandoning

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Context he's abandoning what we would call Exegesis drawing the true meaning out from Scripture and if he just says well, that's just my interpretation and you have your interpretation

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Well, then fine. Mr. Preacher man We'll take your interpretation and see if it actually matches the context because if it doesn't you are twisting

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God's Word for your own Agenda Trey you and I talked about this. That's exactly how

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Jesus was tempted in the wilderness, right? It's not just enough to know Scripture but you have to rightly understand scriptures meaning because guess who else knows guess who else has read the

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Bible from cover to cover many many Many times the devil himself Satan and you know, and he's not gonna be braggadocious here in a minute.

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I'm gonna show that He don't want to be braggadocious. But for 13 consecutive years, he's read the Bible cover to cover I mean, so that's that's why you should believe me.

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See this is his appeal to the congregation Don't don't read and study yourself. Trust me.

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I've read the Bible cover to cover 13 consecutive years I know the Bible and then but we're gonna go on and just pick up where we left off right here and See what he says on this right here check this out

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This is right where we left off. There are those who say God said it I believe it and that's all there is to it and they are making reference to the

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Bible Well, let me just tell you what the Bible says in the Old Testament in the

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Old Testament. The Bible says this Don't eat lobster Don't eat shrimp

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Don't eat oysters, and I know some of you sinful people have done that before The Bible in the

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Old Testament says don't wear clothing of more than one material The Bible in the

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Old Testament says if your obstinate teenage son Refuses to obey you take him outside the city gates and stone him to death

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The Old Testament says all kinds of things that are offensive If it's that time of the month for a woman in the

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Old Testament Scripture says that she is unclean and everything she touches is unclean

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No, I know I'm playing a lot here, but I want you to get this That's good, because we're gonna break this thing down here in just a second but This guy knows better.

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Um You know better, you know better all right,

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I don't hear the sound oh cuz I put it times two that's why Right is unclean and everything she touches is unclean

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The Bible also says no tattoos I'm in trouble. It's in there.

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It's scripture. Is that the authority? Flip over to the

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New Testament because you see that you see how he's doing is like so that's what the Bible says This is how even the

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Galatian heresy This is what the Judaizers did when they came to Galatia when they told these people who didn't know the law They didn't understand the law they didn't have the

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Old Testament and they came in there and said look Paul says yes faith in Jesus Christ and of course you Have to have faith in Jesus Christ But look here in Leviticus and look in Deuteronomy.

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You also have to do these things as well And so they read and they're like, oh my goodness. It does say that and they're oh, well, then we got to do it

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Right, you're playing on the minds and the hearts of people. That's what you're doing

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Bob and it's it's offensive To me and many other people Jeremiah, but let's just keep going on because we're gonna now let's go in the

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New Testament He says people will say that's just Old Testament stuff in the New Testament. It says women are to keep silent in church

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You know what? That means when you darken the doors of the church, you're not supposed to speak It doesn't you can't sing a hymn

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You can't lead a worship service. You certainly cannot preach It's true Yeah, so this one upset me too and this is a classic example of taking a verse out of context so Talking, you know women not being able to speak right?

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So that's actually mentioned a few places in the New Testament. So I believe Probably the best examples in 1st

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Timothy chapter 2 Paul says He does not permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over ma 'am

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And so in other places it talks about she is not to speak. Well He says when you look at the whole context, he says let a woman learn quietly with all

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Submissiveness and so I've had to teach on this passage and other passages in like 1st Corinthians 11

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What it means to not speak is to learn Submissively guess what the majority of the men are not to speak in the congregation either

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Right, the ones that are speaking are the ones that are teaching the ones that are elders that are overseers in the church leading corporate worship and so it just it bothers me because He's making it sound like the

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Bible's painting this this picture in an ancient context that women are not valuable, right?

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And we've progressed past that no women are precious in the sight of God and he has designed them for a very specific role that submissiveness that women have either a marriage or what their

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Role in the church is a reflection of the gospel right looking to how

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Jesus perfectly submitted to the Father So I take offense when I hear other preachers and Bible teachers abusing

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God's Word. Yeah Good, and it should offend us, you know, it should offend more people

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But the sad thing is in our culture we lived in Jeremiah We're probably offending people for standing up for the truth and critiquing

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This man who says homosexuality is right and good and women should shut up and and just butcher the scripture.

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That's Also offensive to me the didn't speaking the truth and standing up for God's Word is

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Offensive to self -proclaiming Christians. Yep. I digress. Let's go back to Johnny Robbins See what he says he goes on Does that it also says women are not to wear gold or pearls or any costly attire?

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we are gonna have to put a big bucket out there and you drop all of your wedding rings and your Necklaces into it before you come in here and what you're in here.

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Don't you dare say a word? modesty Exactly Scripture oftentimes in the

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New Testament whether we like it or not based on the culture and that day and time subjugates women to a status of inferiority

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Nope The New Testament also says from the pen of Peter the leader of the early church

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That it's okay to be a slave in Fact slaves if your master brutalizes you for something you have not done

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Just take the whipping just deal with it now you all that's in Scripture.

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I Just got to tell you this I Mean, I don't even say this guy.

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I mean, I'm out there's so much I want to say and I want to invite him on here later on and and discuss and defend himself on what we're doing here

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I want to be fair about it. I would love for that to happen And we're gonna ask him to come on here with us.

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But here we go. You ready for this part? Here's here's why you should believe him everybody Okay, let me tell you why you should believe him not because he just Picking verses here and picking verses there and picking verses here and throwing them at you, you know

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And you're like, wow, this man's really knows his Bible. He's he's really just throwing scriptures out there now, you know

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Don't worry that it's all out of context and it's just to fit his narrative of what he's wanting to say and convince you of If you don't believe that now you better believe him.

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He's about to tell you why you should believe him like this Here's why here you go Here it is.

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My friend isn't to be braggadocious. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait It the whatever

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I'm about to say is not to be braggadocious, it's not I mean I hate to say it I hate to even say it.

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I don't mean to be braggadocious But while I'll do it with all do you Bobby? It's a part of the makeup of who

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I am I made a commitment to God a long time ago that I would read the Bible from cover to cover every year

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I did that starting in 2010. I have now read the Bible for 13 consecutive years for cover to cover

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I read it every single day of my life outside of my reading to read the Bible in its entirety.

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I know scripture You might know it buddy. You just don't believe it See, that's the thing.

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You might know it Satan knows it see I mean here He is I don't wanna be braggadocious, but for 13, this is just a makeup of who

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I am That's how good I am y 'all way better than y 'all sitting there in the pews for 13 consecutive years

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I read the Bible cover to cover. I Mean, I know the Bible Trey and I don't know this man, but I don't know but it just that just ticks me off I would suspect he actually doesn't know the

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Bible. Listen to what he says. He doesn't I've I hear these same arguments from atheists on the

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Internet And so it makes me question if he actually knows the Bible. Well, wait, let's just let me show you how he doesn't know

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The Bible you ready? This is his next sentence Here's how he doesn't know the Bible right here

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And there are passages of Scripture particularly in the Old Testament that make God look vindictive and spiteful and just pure mean

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Not holy not just more wrathful or merciful, but but hurts my heart, you know

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Make he's so mean it makes me feel bad. So Wait, I guess wait, can you hold that thought seriously?

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Yeah, right and then didn't unload So here's the guy who knows his Bible, but there are scriptures like look y 'all it just makes

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God in the Old Testament That make God look vindictive and spiteful Well, if you don't know the

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Bible if you don't understand God's Word if you don't know what's going on, I guess

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For you, you don't see his love and his grace all through the Old Testament his mercy and his kindness

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His holiness like you said no. No, no you you see mr. I read consecutive cover to cover 13

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I know the Bible. I don't want to brag vindictive and mean well Get ready

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Jemima you can have it after this one. Okay That's why we have

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Jesus Oh Gnosticism that's why we have Jesus he came in tag.

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You're it Jesus now you get to be mr Nice guy can see I mean and vindictive and spiteful. Here we go to give us a real picture of who

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God is a God of grace and a God of love and a God of mercy and a God of inclusion and God of forgiveness

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Go ahead Well, I was I was he's a different guy. I wonder if he's read the book of Revelation because 13 times he's read it

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Well in Revelation Jesus is coming back to rule and reign with a rod of iron to put everything under his feet right to judge the the wicked and the dead right to literally put everything on display and So Jesus is fulfilling what the

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Old Testament promised and so I love a Bodhi Bacchus says because he's addressed this very thing many times people that says the

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God the Old Testament is so mean and Jesus is just so meek and mild Bodhi says we'll keep reading to the book of Revelation read the whole

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Council of God here. What's what I tell people look He's a lion He chose thank

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God to be a lamb But deep down he's a lion and he's coming, you know and so just I just want you to hear this and I want people to think through this with us and we might have to Do another episode on this to get through the whole thing because I don't want to I don't want to leave anything out

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I want to go through this thing and let's talk about it deal with it and then have him come on and if he wants

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To you know to show us some things to explain some things and see but it's just gonna contradict himself even more

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Because this is what he said unless he just comes and repents and says, you know what you're right. I'm wrong I mean, I butchered that one, you know, but I think he did it intentionally.

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So I just want to keep going and It gets to this right here This is where the Wow factor is because he's just divided

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God like the Old Testament New Testament God two different gods That's complete Gnosticism, but I want to hear the rest of this just so we can be fair in context

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We're not just chopping things up, right? Here we go. Cuz Jeremiah we've had people do that to us before right? Ten second or a three second deal.

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Here we go. So what do we do with those people who say this is all about scriptural authority?

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Well, I want to ask him. Do you eat oysters? Yes, I do. Do you wear clothing and more than one material?

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Guilty does your wife come to worship with you? Yep and talk. Mm -hmm What do they base it on?

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God's word. It's not about authority. It's about Interpretation and listen, the fact of the matter is even

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Jesus got fed up with some of that Old Testament stuff What hold me back

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I'm telling you man Look, this is in your home state dog Yes, true.

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So on that one, it's gonna get worse. It's gonna get a little bit worse here and I mean the whole thing's bad, but we're just gonna

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Jesus got fed up with that old Old Testament stuff That's his word oh

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Here we it's here we go ready You remember what

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Jesus said you have heard that it was said an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth

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Which is in the Old Testament But then Jesus says but I say to you

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Turn the other cheek Go the extra mile Love your enemy

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Jesus took an Old Testament text and said Not anymore. All right, you go first.

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Oh, I mean, I'm about to pick up my chair and throw it Dude Here's what

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I'm saying Robbins You know better. I'm just gonna tell you man.

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I'm gonna give you way more credit I'm you know better like when Jesus says, you know, you've heard it said you shot murder

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But I say right You shouldn't hate anybody in your heart. See no. No, no, he didn't change the law

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No, he interpreted it from these legalists who says it says this. Okay, I don't do this

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You know what? You know what else you know what you're doing? You know how you're breaking look at this face I just want to talk to you.

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I'm doing this, you know When what you're doing you're breaking the sixth commandment do not murder because Do not murder is the negative but the positive is so what do we do we protect we protect people

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That's what we're called to do and not only that not just protect them We're to love them in our heart if we have anything against them

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We go to them and we reconcile to them if they are sinning against God and his law We love them and we protect them and we go to them and tell them how they need to repent of God's That they broke

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God's law. Then you repent and turn and look to Christ. That's what he's saying He's not changing it

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He's he's given he's given deeper meaning and a better Understanding of who God is and what he's done because you can't live to it.

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We think you think okay I can I can live by that. I hadn't murdered anybody. Well, have you ever hated anybody? Oh Have you ever held something against your neighbor your brother

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Not reconciled with them. Mmm. Do you see how bad you need a Savior named Jesus who lived the law perfectly? See, that's what his point is not

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Uh Doing what you're doing not he didn't come here and change God's word that he is God You know who it was who led them out of Egypt in the

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Exodus? That was Jesus go read Jude verse 5 You know who it was who was the in the cloud that that led them through the waters?

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That was Jesus. You know who it was the rock That the water came out of when he gave him something to drink in chapter 17 of Exodus.

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That was Jesus And so it was Jesus who led him out of Egypt and so let me just I just gotta say this

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To this man. Let me just do I gotta do a couple things here. Just so people understand Let me ask you something who led the people out of Egypt.

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Well, I This is Jude. This is Jude the brother of Jesus. I want to remind you although you once fully knew it

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What most people today don't know it right because we're not taught anything in churches anymore Harley Although you once fully knew it

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Jesus who saved a people out of the land of Egypt Afterward destroyed those who did not believe

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Jesus who saved a people out of Egypt and this guy's telling me that he's changing his his

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Laws because he didn't like those he was fed up with those Well look and God spoke this is Exodus 20 all these words saying

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I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land Of Egypt. So who was that? It was

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God But let's get more specific the Father the Son Holy Spirit It was

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God all three Jesus Christ is right here. I am the Lord your

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God who brought you out of the land of Egypt What did you just say? right here

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Jesus who saved a people out of the land of Egypt You shall have no other gods before me.

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You shall not make for yourself a carved image and now you're telling me That he got sick. I'm tired of that old junk.

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I Digress go ahead So I pull him back up because I want to look at him too and I'm making these points because Trey it's just your

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Interpretation right of Matthew chapter 5. This is just my interpretation that Jesus is just fed up with Old Testament law

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That's that's what I'm interpreting that he means when he says but I say to you right that's wrong

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What's his name again Robertson Robbins Robbins context my friend

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Earlier in the Sermon on the Mount Jesus did not come to do away with the Old Testament law

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If you look at Matthew 5 17 earlier in that context That's what me and Trey are here to show you is every little isolated thing that he says that exists in a greater context

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Jesus says do not think that I've come to abolish the law or the prophets I did not come to abolish them

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But to fulfill them not do away with it not to change it and say that yeah That was for those

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Old Testament stuff that that old boring book in Leviticus. No Jesus came to fulfill it

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He is going to expound on its proper meaning like Trey said and then verse 20 He says for I tell you unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the

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Scribes and Pharisees You will never enter the kingdom of heaven Jesus is about to enter into a discourse of correcting old rabbinic pharisaical wrong

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Interpretation, how did he do that? Well, he went to Old Testament law and explained the context in the meaning and so before we move on Troy What Jesus is doing is showing that okay, the

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Pharisees can quote law Satan can quote God's Word But then they give the wrong interpretation case in point is in verse 43 of Matthew 5

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You have heard that it was said of those of old right Pharisees rabbinical teachings.

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You shall love your neighbor that's Leviticus 1918 and Hate your enemy now, where is that found in the

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Old Testament? You can't find it because that is what the Pharisees and the rabbinical tradition taught.

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Okay, Leviticus 1918 love your neighbor, but who is my neighbor right?

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This was a whole interaction that Jesus had with a lawyer Mm -hmm, right Somebody that's that's starting to feel the implications of what the

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Bible is teaching to love the Lord your God with all of your heart Soul mind and your entire being well, then yeah, you're gonna love another image bearer of God in that same way

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Unless I can redefine what neighbor actually means to be those people that look like yeah

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Change the definition, right? We've had interaction with people that don't want to define terms.

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They just want to define words. However, they want to Yep So anyway, the the

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Pharisees define neighbor as those people that look like themselves and you know what they concluded those people that don't look

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Like us pagans we can hate them, right? And so Jesus goes into saying no we're to love

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Anybody that God puts in our life, right? We pray for those that persecute us

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We don't return evil for evil but evil with good And so my point is

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Jesus is giving six examples what the law said and then how the Pharisees Misinterpreted and then he gave its proper meaning

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Trey that the Old Testament already taught and so when he says but I say to you turn the other cheek when someone slaps you or Misrepresent you or shames you how you absorb it because God is sovereign, right?

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We can take an offense and then we can show them kindness in return Jesus is not talking about not defending yourselves or not engaging in something.

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Yeah, he's not a pacifist there How do we know that because of context to context and so look

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I know that we we don't have a whole lot more time Do we? We got about a good 15 -20 minutes.

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Okay, 15 -20 We'll give 15 -20 more minutes But then we're gonna do a part two of this because we're not gonna get through this whole thing and I want to get

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Through the whole thing. I want to be fair I want you to hear what this guy says. We want to break it down for you

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So you're not deceived by John Robbins the deceiver. Okay, because this is what he's doing he's changing

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God's Word because he want to fit a narrative and What I want to hit next is this right here because it sounds so good

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I mean look I used to be like this I think probably you most people When you read these things in the

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Old Testament because you don't understand the gospel You don't understand who God is, you know, most people do think that God is is one way in the

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Old Testament He's a different way in the New Testament. And now it's tag. You're at Jesus. It's a Holy Spirit It's your turn now and then

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Holy Spirit's like, okay people now it's you up to you You say it's like everybody's trying to work work work work work and nobody understands the continuity of Scripture So when you start bringing up the old law in Leviticus, you know, you can't eat oysters.

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You can't eat shrimp It's what it says. That's what it says Dang, that sounds just like the devil in the garden

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But it's very confusing if you don't know God's Word and this is why at the end of the day I'd tell people It's sad when you have pastors like this doing this but at the end of the day we all got a

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Bible on our shelf and We better read it and we better study especially if we if we love

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God, we're gonna love his Word So I just want to play this you go ahead It reminds me of somebody that says the

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Bible says what it says Worst way to interpret Scripture Reminds me of a few myself.

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So there we go. Let's just pick you up where he was And see what we can learn from Mr. Robbins took an

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Old Testament text and said, uh -uh not anymore There's an occasion in the

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Gospel of Mark where people are worked up over what folk are eating and Jesus says

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It doesn't defile you with what it is. You put in your mouth. What defiles you is what you spew out of your mouth now see look

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Here's you know who a good liar is You know the best lie you can hear Jeremiah the best lie you can hear is the one that has the most truth in it

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Mm -hmm. That is the best lie This is why I tell people when you go to the Court of Law in the United States of America And they don't say do you do you swear to tell the truth and you're like, yeah, sure.

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No, no, no, no No, the question is do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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Because that's the truth. So I can tell you a lot of truths, but if I leave some things out It's a lot

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Because you've distorted it you've changed context you distorted God's Word you distorted truth itself and this is what he's doing, right?

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He's saying some truth or some truth in that but see he takes this and He just starts

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Swerving it towards error. Here we go. So I Loved what you said the most deceitful kind of lies are those that have the most truth

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Almost like how Satan masquerades as an angel of light. It's gonna seem really good, right?

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People are gonna call themselves Christians. Oh, yeah, and they're gonna speak the language, right?

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You are you refer to as Christian ease That's exactly what Satan is doing, right?

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infiltrating false Teaching that's why you can't just say we speak where the Bible speaks and we speak with the

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Bible side What does the Bible mean? What is its truth? How do we understand and apply its meaning to our lives?

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But you're saying if it's interpretation Well, then my interpret a don't you don't even know my interpretation.

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I'm gonna get crazy with it, right? I'm gonna I'm gonna get so ridiculous to prove I'm gonna make you pay such a high intellectual price tag

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If that's your standard, we're gonna get stupid quick. And who are you to tell me I'm wrong, right?

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Right because the underlying assumption is that all what he's getting at is all

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Interpretations are equally valid, right? Well, he's not gonna like that if we simply interpret his words to say

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Oh, so you actually deny based on what you said? You're admitting my interpretation of what you're saying is that you deny a scriptural authority

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Well, I bet you he would get mad and say that's not what I'm saying at all Oh, so it doesn't matter what I interpret what you're saying.

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Well, I interpret that you're of the devil Hi, it's just my interpretation and who are you to get mad at me?

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Who are you to judge cuz look we're watching a minute. This dude says you you aren't a judge anybody Oh, that's what the

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Bible says proof text. Oh right there judge. Not like dude you Really have your

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PhD in theology Like, you know better. I'm not I'm not buying it. You know better There's something deeper going on here and it comes to what you keep saying in this

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I'm speaking to him if he's watching this when he watches this When you keep talking about to your people that it's the most important book to read the

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Bible's most important book to read how you Read it how you know it and you got to read it No Believe it.

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Don't just read it. Believe it. The Bible is not the most important book to read It's the most important book to believe believe

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God's Word and this is where we differ my friend So let's just go back to what he's saying here

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Because he's talking about the the kosher laws Jesus like now you ain't got to do that no more It's what comes out of your heart true true

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Best lie you can hear the one with the most truth in it. Keep lying to us. Here we go And then he says that means everything you can eat you can eat

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No longer those kosher laws that they had followed for centuries. Can I eat dead people?

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Can I eat live people? Whatever you can eat you can eat it's my interpretation So I guess we can go around eating people who are alive just like just start gnawing on them

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My interpretation and can I give the proper understanding of what he's getting at when he says it's not what you take in that defiles man

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But comes out it's out of the abundance of the heart, right? We would rightly understand what total depravity means is that man is corrupt from the core?

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It's not your environment that pollutes your thinking No, we have polluted our environment because of Adam's sin the whole all of God's creation has been cursed by Adam's sin

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Pelagianism Jesus said everything is okay to eat now.

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That would have been a seismic shift Everything's okay. Okay, so I guess we can eat humans See he would say no, you can't eat humans.

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I'm like, well, it's my turn. It's not about authority. It's about Jesus said it You just said it

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Interpretation right see good interpretation really matters and the way people thought because that is scriptural and Jesus said no

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Not anymore See there we go again. No, not anymore. Jesus.

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He's just changing everything. He just he doesn't like that old law that he gave Because see he was there.

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Okay, so I know we got to go and I want to really get into that We're gonna get into Leviticus. Hey, we probably have another 15 minutes.

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Oh, yeah Yeah, let's keep going with it, so what does it mean so here's what he knows here's what

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I want to talk about what he knows is When it talks about in Leviticus that there are things, you know, the

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Bible says you cannot eat. Let's just go ahead and look at it Let's go ahead and Look over here and see what he's talking about Because I think there's a lot of people that don't quite understand this.

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I think he understands it But He's twisting it because he doesn't fit his narrative of where the culture is now with homosexuality, right and so he's for homosexuality and for practicing homosexuals to just be like look that the video starts with like again with with two mirage two girls

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Talking about their mirage and how they love Jesus And I'm just I want these girls because I hope they watch it.

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I want you to know I love you more than Then mr. Robbins here because I'm telling you the truth and the sixth commandment is you shall not murder

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So the positive side of that is you should love and protect and I should warn you that you're in Sin against God.

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I mean you're blatantly calling what God calls sin and an abominable Abominable practice you're calling good and right you're calling

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God a liar Okay, and so we have to repent of those things. Are we open and are we are we?

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Open to people all people to come to the church and hear the gospel of Jesus Christ, of course we are

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It is Christ can save the absolute worst of the worst I mean, I think I tell people a lot the reason

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God chose to save Paul one of the reasons I is because look I Don't think you've ever murdered

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Christians for a living right like you're not that bad I don't care what you've been doing and if Christ did that you you're okay

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Christ can forgive you for your sins, but you have to repent you have to come to Christ and die

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Right in that the the saying so here in Leviticus It says the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron saying to them speak to the people of Israel.

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Oh Okay, that's important That is important right there so context right who is this talking about It's talking about Israel the nation of Israel These are the living things that you may eat among all the animals on the earth

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Look, that's to Israel. That is not to the Gentile world. That is a law for the nation of Israel Do you want to expound on that and talk about that?

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Yeah. Yes, I do because Interpretation doesn't matter and not all interpretation is equally valid There are bad interpretations in the goal of exegesis is figuring out authorial intent

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What did the original? Human writers mean when they're inspired by the Holy Spirit in the context in which they spoke and how would the people of that time?

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Understood them. And so when we do look at the whole Council of God, we understand that the law of God firstly is moral

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There are certain commandments that reflect God's unchanging Character and a good representation of those are the

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Ten Commandments, right? They're unchanging That's why we see essentially all Ten Commandments show up in the

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New Testament. They don't change That is what we also understand I think it's in Colossians 2 16 17 where Paul even makes the division then you have

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Ceremonial laws you have those types and shadows that point to the Savior So when he came on the scene, he's basically saying to Israel You've been learning about me in y 'all's practice for a long time.

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And now that I'm here. I've come to Fulfill the law and so you've been alluding to that third category of commandments

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Certain ceremonial laws along with civil laws like when the preacher guy brought up the stoning of somebody outside Somebody that was being disobedient to parents

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Well sin was sin is very important to God and we actually don't see an instance of this happening

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But it was prescribed and so for the nation of Israel it to be disobedient to a ceremonial law had

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Judicial consequences so we understand that the law of God is moral that it is

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That it is ceremonial and it is judicial, right? And so those Jewish judicial laws were meant for the nation of Israel Right in their context to disobey a moral law might result with a certain judicial punishment

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And so when Jesus came he fulfilled the law and then when he commissioned the church

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Kind of this this new man that that Ephesians chapter 2 talks about the church is a royal priesthood scattered

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Worldwide, so we're not under a theocracy anymore God's law is still preeminent and that is the standard by which we we we judge and we should be voting our laws to emulate

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But we understand context that the church now in light of Christ's fulfillment We are not bound by these theocratic ceremonial laws anymore

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So that's kind of the paradigm that we see when we consider the whole Council of God Yeah That's good stuff.

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That's context my friend And so here's the laws in the old Leviticus which

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I'll play probably in our next episode part two of this is where he says that Leviticus is just the most boring book

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It's an ancient book. It's an ancient book Ancient it's ancient They're all ancient They're all ancient.

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Hi, we can go for about another 20 minutes. Oh, wow. You have a cancellation Yeah, I did some rearranging.

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That's what I'm talking about. Okay, so Here I want to read you here In Leviticus 18 22

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It says this right here So Leviticus is just the old, you know ancient book, you know

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And then he goes on to say this is the most boring book in the Bible, right? So I mean heck with it just because it says this right here.

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You shall not lie All right right here Just read that you shall not lie with a male as a with a woman

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It is an abomination and you shall not lie within any animal So make yourself unclean with it neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it.

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It's a perversion So we're gonna take that first part out and say well that doesn't mean that because it's an ancient book, right?

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So therefore homosexuality is good Leviticus is an ancient book. Let's not we'll get to what it says in the

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New Testament a little bit later But my question is this right here If Leviticus is an ancient book and just pointless because it's so old and boring

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What else should we get rid of here in Leviticus? Let's just start get your marker out and start scratching out things.

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Here we go When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge Neither shall you gather the gleaning you shall not strip the vendor bear.

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Let's get rid of those. Those are dumb, right? Who does that who has a vineyard you shall not steal? Oh, can

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I throw in something free with that? You know He talks about God being mean In the

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Old Testament God's law is telling farmers to leave some extra

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For people that are poor right how mean of God to care about the poor and the homeless and people that that are struggling to feed themselves

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Well his interpretation. That's a very mean God That's this interpret me he's mean look here

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Look verse 11. Let's get rid of these two because I mean this is old boring book You know, it's just an old boring book man.

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Don't worry about sanctioned. You shall not steal You shall not deal falsely. You shall not lie

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To one another. I'm sure you can that's what you're doing right now. Mr. Robbins You shall not swear by my name falsely and so profane the name of our

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God of your God I'm the Lord you shall not oppress your neighbor or rob him Would let let me know.

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Let me know. Mr. Robbins, which ones which where are we getting rid of? We're just getting rid of one because that looks very convenient on your part to the society in which you live nowadays

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But you're Hopefully people see like you shall not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block before the blind.

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What a mean God Like you're saying Jeremiah You should pick on those guys Because they're deaf and they're blind pick on them

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You shall fear God They shall do no Yeah, it's just mine. You shall do no injustice in court.

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What a mean God No, you should you should do injustice. You should just do whatever you got to do to get ahead, you know step on people

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Sue them for whatever make up lies You shall not be partial to the poor or deferred to the great

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Well, that's so mean No, you should just do things for the rich people who donate the money to your church

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Don't worry about everybody else, right? They like this Do you see the point here?

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I think do you think people see the point? Do we need to keep hitting that point because we can know Well, 17 18 is getting to the point of love your neighbor not to hate him from the heart

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And so here in a moment, you know since he's wanting to Put on a pedigree the red letters of Jesus Jesus actually did speak to homosexuality regardless of what the preacher guy said because Jesus brings this up in the

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Sermon on the Mount. He talks about not looking and not doing sexual immorality

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Jesus would have had a reference guess what that would have been the law This would have been things right here found in Leviticus of what that would actually look like And so whenever you're ready, we can go back to listen to the guy

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But yeah, Jesus if we're gonna let's hold him to his own standard if he wants to glorify the red letters only

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Well, then we can play that game. Jesus actually did speak directly to Homosexuality and he condemned it.

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Yeah I do want to look at that. But I do there's I mean, there's so much I want to get through the whole all

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Leviticus I just want to go through Leviticus and show people that there's laws for Israel their laws for Israel But there's also laws and and things that are abominations to the nations that Israel are up against.

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Okay Homosexuality is one of them. There's so many of them. Those are moral laws that they are breaking

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God's law for every individual in the world not the ceremonial so you have ceremonial law, which you talked about earlier, right?

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You have national laws for the nation of Israel. You have laws for the nation of Israel Your moral law the moral law still pertains to us and that pertains to every human that's ever lived

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In every inch of the world. Okay to say that those things don't apply Again, mr.

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Robbins, you know better you do you do know better? So I'll tell you what. Oh, I'll give you that we'll go

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We'll come back and look at Leviticus a little bit later. But you want to go to Matt's so boring tray It's so boring.

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It's book in the Bible. So let's just get rid of these things, right? Look, let's just get rid of all this.

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Love your neighbor. That's old man We have do that Righteous shout you just judge your neighbor.

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What wait, wait, wait, you shall do no injustice in court You shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great but in righteousness you shall judge your neighbor

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But later on he says you shouldn't judge at all But do you realize that when he says that he's making a judgment he's judging.

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I Just him saying that I'm saying like you shouldn't judge You just judge me for judging you just like come on self -defeating, come on.

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All right, here we go Matthew 5 Mm -hmm. So you're telling me Jesus talks about homosexuality.

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Is that what you're saying? Yeah, do we have the time stamp which the guy talks about that?

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Yeah, where Jesus never mentions it ever not once right because remember we follow Jesus we weren't crew

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Paul Paul wasn't crucified right? We weren't baptized in the name of Paul. So his point is isolating that proof text in 1st

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Corinthians chapter 1 His point is we let Jesus have the final say above everything and surely

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Paul is not agreeing with Jesus Paul is just speaking to the things of that time period the time period that devalued women and so This man's standard is let's look to the red letters of Jesus Okay, and so I'm saying we can do that this is it right here let me fast forward

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To get to it Well, I mean

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I just listen the whole thing but let's go Here see this is the problem.

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He has a God of love but no God of Justice no

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God of wrath and the thing is like you can't have love if you don't have wrath. Mm -hmm But he has he has a guy just all of love and this is what

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I tell people like if you had a baby Well, I just tell me look. Is there any way that you could walk up to this person right there like Right there.

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Could you walk up to that person and rip his face off with your bare hands? Would you do that? They're like No, that's crazy, right?

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That's crazy. You would even ask me that. Yeah, I didn't figure you could but now What if that person had your child in his arms with a knife to his throat?

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Could you then they're like I'd kill him, you know, why because loves involved Because loves involved there's wrath if there's no wrath.

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There's no love There's no love. Yeah, right. So I want to I want to say something more that go ahead about that real quick I would say loves response to wickedness is holiness justice and wrath and I love the example you just gave because Because that's a wicked thing for somebody to to attempt to murder your child right loves response to wickedness is justice holiness wrath

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That's good. So Here we go. I think this is what you're talking about. We'll pick him. We'll see what what he says here.

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It's so bad But here we go Scripture somebody said

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I know what scripture says But I believe in a God of grace above all of that and that supersedes everything else

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Jesus Christ is the final word and he would never tolerate it see Just that's it

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There we go The church has wrestled with what to do with women since the beginning and I can tell you this

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I know for a fact that if we didn't let women run the church as they have all along the church would have ceased to Exist centuries ago.

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If you look in any church 90 % of the work that is done is done by the women and yet we want to claim them as being in a position of Inferiority because they're a woman because the

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Old Testament says so and there's this passage in the New Testament all that come on Straw men, we got to grow up as a church and we got to read scripture.

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It's not scriptural authority It's scriptural interpretation and Jesus interpreted scripture differently Hmm but what look what he's about to say and so do you we have to as well

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It's just the way it is just wait is on the issue of human sexuality

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Which is really I got to tell you the fundamental issue behind all of this Division in the

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United Methodist Church, we can couch it any way we want. No doubt true on the issue of human sexuality

01:02:45

Those who choose to no longer be a part of the United Methodist Church Quote an ancient text in the book of Leviticus Which by the way is the most boring book in the entire

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Bible no, so don't if you're gonna have surgery and you don't want to be anesthetized and read the book of Leviticus and then you can be operated on An old text in the book of Leviticus and then

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Paul's sentence and a half in the book of Romans About human sex in the

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New Testament, but he's not the final word. Remember what Paul just said I read it to you I'm not

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Jesus you was see don't believe Paul and his one sentence about it. I'm not

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Jesus. Don't believe Paul What did Paul even said? I'm not Jesus. Wait, wait, let me keep going.

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This is it gets it gets worse I baptized were you baptized in my name? Were you crucified in my name?

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No, I'm not Jesus I'm sorry Mr. Robbins according to your standard if there was two sentences could we believe it then?

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Because there's only one so we don't have to believe it if there's two How many sentences that I have to be for me to believe

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God's Word? Go ahead and you you say this because I'm gonna Keep playing this. Yeah, just a few more.

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So I'll make this brief I just want to reemphasize if if the red letters of Jesus are the standard

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Then if you have a problem with Paul Then you have a problem with what the Apostle Peter said

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If you have a problem with what the Apostle Peter said Then you have a problem with the words of Jesus and John's gospel

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Promising to give them the Holy Spirit to guide them into all truth if you have a problem with the

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Apostle Paul then you actually have a problem with what Jesus said as a Choosing him as a vessel to preach his word to bear his name to all these different kinds of people

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So we can play this game because Jesus is the standard. Oh, yeah, right. He's God but scripture all scripture is

01:04:41

God breathed so we take that half sentence just as serious as we take the book of Leviticus along with what the red letters say in the gospel account

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So I hate what he's doing about dividing God's Word against itself No, it is the truth the truth will not lie the truth will not contradict itself because it's the

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Word of God God is truth. God cannot deny himself. So here we go. You ready? You ready for it to get worse?

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If I hadn't seen I wouldn't have thought it could get worse. Oh, trust me it gets worse. Here we go So what does the final word say about human sexuality?

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What does Jesus say about it? Nothing zero zilch if it's that important To us and it's not that important to Jesus then we got to step back and think about that.

01:05:34

What? What was that what was that That dude that dude just he just said that Okay, I wish

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I could rewind it really easily just to do it, but I don't want to hear it again That is just absolute hot garbage

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I mean Jeremiah here Really I read it what he said word for word

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You know, they take this old text in the book of Leviticus and then Paul's sentence and a half in the book of Romans Paul's sentence in the book of Romans About human sexuality, but he's not the final word

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He's not the final word remember what Paul just I just said I read it to you I'm not

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Jesus Were you baptized were you baptized in my name when you were crucified in my name?

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No, I'm not Jesus So what does the final word say about human sexuality? What does Jesus say about?

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nothing zero zilch if it is if it's that important to us and It's not that important to Jesus Then we got to step back and think about it

01:07:01

Jesus said absolutely zero zilch now Jeremiah. You just said you made a bold claim, buddy

01:07:06

You said Jesus actually does talk about it Now doctor now, look, are you a doctor? Nope Come on now

01:07:14

You're going up against a doctor a PhD doctor No, he says but I'm not this time.

01:07:21

Have you read the Bible 13 years consecutively from cover to cover? No, he's got me beat there.

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So this should be easy for him, right? Zero zilch man, who do I believe you or this guy?

01:07:33

Look at his top. Look at this. Look, what are you wearing? Show me

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Show me where Okay So we've already been talking about the great the greatest sermon ever preached the

01:07:48

Sermon on the Mount and you know, what's interesting My Bible doesn't have red letters and I did that on purpose because I understand that it's all red lettered, right?

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It's all inspired by the Holy Spirit. It's all God breathes So I'm not going

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I'm not going to put the red letters as more authoritative than the rest of Scripture He already butchered what the context was talking about About I follow

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Apollo's I follow Cephas. I follow Jesus the person that says these things is already

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Assuming disunity just like this guy is okay. We should have the mind of Christ We should be unified in God's truth and we look to the whole counsel of God to do that so in the

01:08:30

Sermon on the Mount Once again, Jesus is correcting the misunderstanding that the

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Pharisees were teaching on God's Word and so one of those things that the Pharisees was

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Abusing was the issue on divorce and so I'll read I'll read two verses here. It is right five verses 31 and 32

01:08:50

It was also said whoever divorces wife let him give a certificate of divorce, right that's biblical

01:08:56

But guess what? The Pharisees were doing they were picking anything that they didn't like They didn't like that their spouse was or wasn't doing and then they were writing a certificate of divorce for that, right?

01:09:08

They were not divorcing on proper biblical grounds that the Old Testament law actually went into great detail on What's the verse he says but I say to you so I guess

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Jesus looked at that law According to dr. Robbins, mr. Robbins You know like a cartoon bunny.

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But anyway, it was also said Whoever divorces his wife let him give her a certificate of divorce, but I say to you

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So I guess this is that part where Jesus goes. Uh -uh That's dumb. We're done with that.

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Is that what he's doing? I'm absolutely not and we can know that that's a wrong interpretation because of what

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Jesus said earlier in the context I do I did not come to abolish the law

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Not to call it boring and you shouldn't worry about it anymore and I'm gonna change things up No, he says

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I've come to fulfill it. But if you are relying on yourself on your own interpretation apart from Understand the context of God's Word like the

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Pharisees were doing Unless you surpass from the heart loving God in the way that he's revealed these things

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You're not gonna enter the kingdom of heaven either So I'm just saying that sets the framework that Jesus is not doing a way with the

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Old Testament law But he is condemning what the Pharisees were doing. What context what would

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Robbins do with that verse? That's something I want to ask him when we invite him on the show to talk about this

01:10:30

I want to ask him. What do you do when Jesus says I didn't come to abolish it. I come to fulfill it Right, right

01:10:37

The small small small chance of him actually coming on and talking about these things I do want him to know that we would treat him with grace that we would treat him with respect

01:10:47

We wouldn't cut him off But I already know what he would do based on what he said and based on The the vibe that I'm getting from him is he would just say that's your that's your context or that's your interpretation

01:10:58

That's your that's your opinion. Okay. Okay, but how do we know which opinion is wrong? which one of us is consistent with the grammatical historical method of interpretation of Scripture, right because I guarantee you one is going to Collapse and fail and then one is going to look to the whole counsel of God and be consistent like you're talking about.

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Well Yeah Romans, right do we because of this grace that we're saved by faith through my grace through faith.

01:11:26

Do we Make the law obsolete. Do we get rid of the law? No, we uphold the law.

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We uphold it. We say Oh Righteous holy good law, right? But we don't live by it, but we still live the law because the law points to God That is who

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God is. Anyway, so go ahead with you made this claim that Jesus talks about Sexuality and things like that where this doctor who reads the book cover to cover 13 consecutive years.

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He's not bragging but He's bragging He says zero zilch not not once not never so go ahead

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Yeah, verse 32, but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife except on the ground of Sexual immorality makes her commit adultery and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery

01:12:17

He doesn't say the word homosexuality there. No, but Jesus talks about Sexual immorality

01:12:26

Jesus mean when he said that try see here's what? Dr. Robbins whole point is trying to okay homosexuality, okay

01:12:35

He's saying homosexual is good, right? Who are you to judge us wrong, you know, and we're gonna get to his standard in a minute It's at the airport.

01:12:41

He'll talk about that in a minute where his standard really is. It's not God's Word And we will show that to you, but I want to be clear at this point.

01:12:50

Dr. Robbins not talking about homosexuality Yeah, you're talking about homosexual. I'm gonna read you the quote again, and you can go back and listen to it

01:12:57

It says it was I crucified were you crucified? You know, my name we baptized my name.

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No, Jesus is the final word Okay I'm not

01:13:07

Jesus is what Paul's saying. So what does the final word say about human sexuality?

01:13:14

What does Jesus say about it? Nothing zero zilch about human sexuality

01:13:22

That's fine and dandy when you don't know the book right? Mm -hmm, but but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife except on the ground of sexual immorality

01:13:35

Looks like he's talking about it there. So what does that mean? What is what is this sexuality? What's the sexual morality mean?

01:13:41

Well, we're gonna pull a word for Nia in the Greek, right? so the point is

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Jesus would have had a standard in which he was explaining that everybody would have been familiar with when he appealed to what sexual immorality is

01:13:56

Well, just a wild shot in the dark. I wonder what he's talking about there. It would be the law of God Oh, we're gonna have to go back to that boring book because that's exactly what

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Jesus as a Jew born under the law would have been referring to And sexual morality has a definition that goes into great depth of what that is in the

01:14:16

Old Testament and since marriage Was defined with Adam and Eve.

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It's no surprise that it's brought up in the gospel account itself We may look at that here in a minute later in Matthew 19

01:14:28

But it's also in the New Testament epistles because this reflects the gospel this reflects

01:14:34

Who image bearers of God coming together in one flesh actually reflects who God is in a greater capacity the

01:14:41

Bible defines what marriage is defines what is what is sexual and God honoring in the marriage bed and then everything that is outside that Definition and we're gonna look at perhaps some gross examples of that but the

01:14:54

Bible doesn't shy away anything outside the marriage bed that engages in illicit sex is

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Immoral it is poor Nia poor Nia is very broad. It's where we get the word Pornography we get porn today, right?

01:15:09

But not pornography but porn right and we'll look at I want to look at that But I just want to add to what you're saying if mr.

01:15:16

Robbins interpretation of scripture is correct Which basically goes to what does it?

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What does mr. Red letters say, right? If it's if it's not in red letters, it doesn't Go get after it, right

01:15:34

Here's here's the intellectual price tag. You have to pay for that and that that type of understanding. I'm just gonna go.

01:15:40

Let's get crazy, right? So can I go have sex with? Dogs and that'd be good in the eyes of God because Jesus doesn't say anything about that, right?

01:15:52

That's not in there. That doesn't say I mean we can get really Really bad and Jeremiah you're I know you were singing your head.

01:15:58

You're like don't do it. Don't do it trade Just don't do it And I won't but you can imagine how stupid we could get with that type of an understanding of scripture

01:16:08

If Jesus doesn't say it and you can do it right specifically which On the issue of sexual morality.

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He does explicitly bring it up in the Old Testament Which he would have been referring to actually condemns bestiality which condemns homosexuality which condemns adultery right engaging with someone outside the marriage bed and so point in fact is

01:16:30

Jesus does talk about it now, you know someone who say well, he doesn't say the word homosexual No But he alluded to an umbrella that encompasses that along with all these other gross sins

01:16:41

That by definition would be outside the purview of marriage. So you want to look at pornea what it says what it means?

01:16:47

Yeah, hold that up. So this is the verse right here I say to that everyone who divorces his wife except on the ground of sexual morality makes her commit adultery

01:16:56

Here's this is pornea right here various kinds of unsanctioned sexual intercourse various kinds various kinds

01:17:06

Well, what does that what does that mean? Well, you go back and read what Jeremiah is talking about go back and read the context of the

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Old Testament Leviticus Especially it calls it gives all different various kinds of sexual acts that are not permissible

01:17:19

So this is the umbrella that you're talking about Yeah, and one of the objections is gonna be like, okay well

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Then we're gonna have to stone people if they do this idea that was a judicial law for Israel for the the moral sin

01:17:33

Against God is still intact today, right? All sin is ultimately against God So even though we're not under the judicial laws of theocratic

01:17:43

Israel today These are still sinful before the eyes of God and the reality is is that we deserve death

01:17:49

Right, that is ceremonial laws. We're not under the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament, you know But the moral laws of God that the

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Ten Commandments that encapsulate every human being everywhere in the world in all time

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That still applies to us and in the mr. Robbins knows this like I'm I'm not even playing that game with that, dude like I know, you know, and you know, you know you just Just changed your tune with the culture here.

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So here's what porny is unlawful sexual intercourse Prostitution unchastity fornication. It's of the sexual unfaithfulness of a married woman

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Look at this one here and First screen is 7 -2 or because of the temptation of sexuality each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband

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Okay, that's just Paul. That's just Paul. That's just one Senate. I'm saying I mean, come on But look the plural points out the various factors that may bring about sexual morality the various factors

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There's a lot. This is why context matters. What is Jesus context to talk about this pornea?

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It's all those all those sins all those Boring ancient books.

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I mean it puts you to sleep. Don't worry about it. Did God really say did God really say so?

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This is what he's talking about. So when when this doctor I mean it just yeah, there's a lot.

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There's a lot here boys But when dr. Robin says look zero zeal Jesus talks about sexual

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Human sexuality, what does Jesus say about it? Now don't forget congregation at Pulaski United Methodist trust him

01:19:37

Trust me. Look, it's just his makeup of who he is. He just reads the Bible every single day for 13 consecutive years cover -to -cover

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Trust me. What does the Bible say? What does Jesus say about human sexuality? zero, nothing, zero, zilch and Because Jesus doesn't say anything about it.

01:19:53

We need to step back and think about that. Think about that. No, no, no, no Nope Let's just Just so you can hear what he says next about it.

01:20:09

Watch this He doubled downs on Jesus saying nothing about it Jesus talked a whole lot about the kingdom of God because it was important to him

01:20:18

He talked a whole lot about how we deal with money and possessions because it was so important to him He talked about how we are to love

01:20:25

God and love neighbor because it was so important to him He never brings up the issue of human sexuality not one time

01:20:37

Hey, did I hear something go over our heads again What?

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What Do read that book 13 years consecutively, you know,

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I'm saying That dude just the makeup of who look he's not trying to be braggadocious Jeremiah. I mean just the makeup of who he is 13 consecutive years cover -to -cover and Let me tell you something.

01:21:07

We have turned people away from Jesus. He says because of this Because they see all the bickering and arguing that's what we'll get to it

01:21:18

But look Jesus talk about money and possessions because that's so important to him and We don't talk about money in possession too because it's important to me too because we got to pay for this building in this big nice suit

01:21:28

I got on but He talked about we're to love God and love neighbor.

01:21:33

See all this is true. All that's true. There's a there's a true That's true Context still rules that like the

01:21:40

Old Testament talked about it too. Exactly Because it was so important to him. That's why he talked about those things

01:21:47

He never brings up the issue of sexuality not one time and He is the final word

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So when that doesn't work, then they say well, of course We know the United Methodist Church has lowered their standards about now

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He's gonna get on us right and he'll tell you look I'm not trying to vilify anybody but then he goes and vilifies you don't judge

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But then he goes and judges the people who say you know, you're wrong With all due respect and then I just say whatever I want.

01:22:15

I get to say whatever I want I mean I said with all due respect, I mean That but here's the sad thing is here's the heartbreaker.

01:22:22

Really it is heartbreaker The people sitting here at the end of this sermon. I can't cause sermon.

01:22:28

What could we call it? Speech speech. Yeah a TED talk TED talk at the end of this

01:22:34

TED talk. They clap and they stand up and cheer and clap It's heartbreaking it is so sad.

01:22:43

I mean it really is And I'm telling you mr. Robbins, I pray for you man, I pray you repent cuz you know better, you know better I pray you repent of this and Turn back to God in his

01:22:54

Word and believe God's Word and tell your people and repent in front of them and lead them back To who

01:23:00

Christ is because there was a time when you did not go this way. I guarantee I guarantee and you know better and I Hope you come on the show because I promise you

01:23:12

I will say that to your face. I will say you know better I'm no, I don't play these games with it. I Jeremiah you're the you're the really heady

01:23:21

Apologist and theologian. I'm the redneck theologian. I'm the redneck apologist. I just call it like it is so Let's go on You know, he goes on about the grace

01:23:36

Is there anything you want to say there I'm looking this next part up I Just want to re -emphasize that It's wrong to say the red letters are more preeminent than the rest of Scripture He's already he took we showed how first Corinthians 1 he took out of context.

01:23:53

There's not a disunity with Paul Apollos Cephas and Jesus there's great unity and You have different members of the same body that work to complement one another, right?

01:24:05

Not everybody is gonna be a hand in the body of Christ Some people are gonna be afoot. Some people are gonna be an eye and so there's unity in the body of Christ not disunity and It's fundamentally a wrong view of what

01:24:20

Scripture is all Scripture is God breathed Paul said and if you have a problem with something that Paul said you have something you have a problem with what

01:24:26

Jesus said But even with this superficial standard of looking to what Jesus said he's still wrong.

01:24:32

And so we're just trying to show really When you cherry -pick verses you can make the

01:24:38

Bible say whatever you want And then if you just want to cloak it with saying well, that's just that's just just an interpretation issue

01:24:45

You you better believe that it is an interpretation issue because there are wrong Interpretations there there is a way to understand what someone says in the context of which they meant to say that How do you do that?

01:24:57

You look to what they said before One sentence and you look afterwards and you look to all the

01:25:02

Scripture the whole counsel of God, right? So interesting thing here, you know why he's saying all this, right?

01:25:09

hmm Do you know why he'll tell you why you don't know why? well one reason he just said because It's really about sexuality what people identify, right?

01:25:21

Yeah earlier he talks about how in Minute 22 41.

01:25:27

He says I'm an evangelical Christian and I have a very high Christology I Just look this guy this guy

01:25:36

And he tells you why he's bringing this up. Let's hear why are you bringing up homosexuality? Why are you why are you trying to?

01:25:42

convince us that Homosexuality is right and good to live in Homosexuality like to not call it a sin to not say it's a sin in the eyes of God And I can't live a lifestyle in sin.

01:25:55

I have to repent of my sin and There's many others we are sinners we all have to repent

01:26:01

I mean, what if I was born, you know, how I was born I was born to hit people in the face when they make me mad just last born so Can I just hit people in the face?

01:26:09

No, they say no you can't do that. You have to love your enemies You have to you got to have self -control.

01:26:15

You can't do that. Well, I was born that way So, I mean we can put lipstick all over this pig But the end of the day is because we don't want to repent of our sin because we know it's sin

01:26:24

And we don't like the words of God So we're gonna tweak them and change them because I want my sin or I want whatever he whatever he's wanting here, you know

01:26:31

But let me let me just let him tell us why he's bringing this up and and talking about this I want to put words in his mouth

01:26:38

Baptist they don't have a monopoly on Jesus by the way But I always take that as a compliment because I talk about Jesus a lot

01:26:45

I elevate Jesus to the status of God because he is God I Am an evangelical

01:26:51

But the reason I take the stand I do on social issues is because I respect and admire and appreciate

01:26:58

Jesus that much That's why So why are you taking the stance on this social issue of homosexuality and all this other stuff and saying it's right and good

01:27:07

Jesus Never talks about human sexuality. Not one time. Not one bit. Not one Well, that's a lie.

01:27:14

But why are you taking that? Hey because I respect and admire and appreciate

01:27:19

Jesus that much then I sound good He doesn't respect what Jesus said when he did bring up sexual morality he didn't respect what

01:27:28

Jesus said when he told Ananias that he that the Paul is a chosen vessel of him

01:27:35

This guy's not respecting Jesus when he promised the Apostles that he would give them the

01:27:40

Holy Spirit of truth to teach them all Things and so I'm not buying it

01:27:47

I'm glad he doesn't identify as a Baptist well, thank you for making that really clear to everybody because as Baptist we are firstly followers of Christ and we want to observe all

01:28:00

That he teaches us right in the Great Commission to make disciples of all nations Baptize them in the authority of Jesus in the name of the

01:28:07

Father Son Holy Spirit Teaching them to observe all that he has commanded not just cherry -picked the things that fit our agenda and the times of the culture

01:28:15

Last time I checked tray that the Word of God is not like the flower the flower that fades away and perishes

01:28:21

But is everlasting, right, right. Yeah Beautiful and look Jeremiah.

01:28:26

We're gonna shut this down. We're an hour and 27 minutes right now and We're gonna

01:28:32

I'm marking right now. We're gonna pick this up We're gonna have a part two of this because it gets it gets worse so And we'll put them together

01:28:43

We'll publish them both at the same time You know saying so being much one and then two And then we'll reach out to dr

01:28:48

Robbins and see if he would come on here and discuss this stuff with us after he watches it We want to give him a chance to watch that. Yeah, what do you want to say?

01:28:54

yeah, I got one kind of closing thought because Kind of brief recap.

01:29:00

He's he's assuming a disunity with Paul and Jesus Now he already told us one of the big underlying.

01:29:08

He said it's it's he admires Jesus. We already know that that's not true, but He also said because the the underlying factor in all of this

01:29:18

I think he's right not for the reasons. He says it but it is how people want to identify with their sexuality, right?

01:29:25

So the reason why they have to divorce Paul and Jesus is because of how cleared

01:29:31

The of the Apostle Paul is in his pistols He's just as clear and explicit as the

01:29:37

Old Testament law when it comes to homosexuality Being sinful before God. So I just want to read the the short passage where Paul says

01:29:46

Look, I want to get it up here. I want to get it up here for people see it themselves Don't trust just like you know that first I don't want people to trust him and I don't want people to trust us either

01:29:54

That's what what does it say first Corinthians 6 and this is what

01:29:59

I'm wanting people to understand this right? Here what he says here and in Romans chapter 1 the

01:30:04

Apostle Paul is too clear If the Apostle Paul is inspired by the Holy Spirit if this are if these are the words of Jesus Then they realize that they're wrong in a in a big way right in a clear explicit way and so you have to divorce what

01:30:19

Paul said to what Jesus is or you have to at least try to Because of what the Apostle Paul says right here starting in verse 9 and 1st

01:30:26

Corinthians 6 or do you not know that the unrighteous? Will not inherit the kingdom of God Yes preacher man.

01:30:34

Jesus did talk about the kingdom of God. Guess who else did Apostle Paul, right? And he says the unrighteous guess what that's all of us, right?

01:30:42

But he's talking about those who love their sin that suppressed the truth in unrighteous They love their sin more than they love the

01:30:49

Creator. He goes on to say do not be deceived That's exactly what

01:30:55

Trey and I are doing here here. We don't want you to be deceived We want you to see God's Word. We want you to go study it.

01:31:01

We want you to go pray We don't want you to listen to people that have read the Bible so many times

01:31:07

Just trust me right and then cherry -pick and say all the things that they want to do not be deceived Neither the sexually immoral

01:31:14

What does that sound like Trey? Oh, yeah, that's Jesus Jesus talked about the sexual and moral and when you look at verse 18

01:31:21

Flee sexual immorality the Apostle Paul is telling us the exact thing that Jesus did and that's what the

01:31:26

Old Testament taught is There is a standard a definition of what sexual morality is It's illicit sex outside the covenant of marriage and the

01:31:35

Apostle Paul saying flee that and here's the other thing It's like if you want to take this word out of this because I mean, you know, it's just Paul Would you let's take out?

01:31:45

So I guess we can just go have sex whoever we want whenever we want. However, we want let's just take that out as well Let's take out idolaters.

01:31:51

We can we can be idolaters and be Christians. I mean, that's that's just Paul I mean, you know look adulterers like now we can cheat on our husbands and wives.

01:31:58

I mean, who are you to say? That's your interpretation that we can be adulterers. I just Paul Practice homosexual.

01:32:04

I sure have thieves. Yes, you can steal whatever you want You steal that stuff man

01:32:11

Greedy. Yeah drunk. Let's get it on Take it all out

01:32:18

Like what would you pick and choose what you want to take out? Just say I don't like the Word of God Just say I don't believe the

01:32:23

Word of God but that's that's the the sad thing is this man is duping people and he is

01:32:30

Twisting God's Word and he needs to repent because I know he didn't always believe this. I know that I know you didn't

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I don't know you but I bet you you didn't get that PhD But saying this stuff No way

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But I you know, there's you mentioned that and we got to shut this thing down right quick But here

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Yeah, somebody but judging right here, right how much more than matters pertain to this life, right? If we're gonna judge angels how much more in matters of this life, you know

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I'm sorry. Let me put that up here So it's time about judging right and do you not know that you were judge angels?

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How much more than matters pertain to this life? So if you have such cases why so We have other verses that talks about Using judgment righteous judgment, which is in Leviticus that old boring book when we make judgment make it be righteous judgments

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Make it be there, but if you're gonna go on read here in part two where he says you don't judge ever ever Do you don't judge who are you to judge?

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Well, I'm like, mr. Robbins. Why are you judging me for judging? Like you're breaking your own standard here. We'll talk about that later your final word and then we'll shut it down All right

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So Paul says or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God do not be deceived

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Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who practice homosexuality

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So clear nor thieves nor greedy nor drunkards nor revilers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God My point is

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Paul so clear. He's as clear as Leviticus is and We should call people to repentance, right?

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And here's the last thing I wanted to leave on verse 11 and such were some of you me

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But you were washed you were sanctified you were justified in the name of the

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Lord Jesus Christ by the Spirit of our God He's got this shit. This is the reason why

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Trey and I are doing this is because this was us, right? We were the unrighteous not going to inherit the kingdom of God, but by God's grace by his spirit

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Washing us sanctifying us showing us his truth by his word has saved us

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And so we we have such a love for people not because we're righteous But because of God who first loved us and so that's why we're doing this

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I just want to remind people this is what we're called to do Yeah, we're called to do that. And like I said earlier, we actually the girls who started this video

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Actually love you more than mr Robbins does because we want to tell you the truth because we care about your soul because that's not murder

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We got to love our neighbors We have to protect and I want to protect you and show you and love like listen, don't listen to this man

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He is leading you astray Go to God's Word believe in Christ repent of your sins

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Take up your cross die to yourself and follow Christ. So Jeremiah, thank you for that.

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He does a lot of a lot of things. So We're gonna be doing part two pretty soon. We'll put them together.

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We'll post them close together Okay, so thanks for watching everybody. Appreciate it and y 'all have a great day