May 13, 2021 Show with Roger Salter on “The Ascension of Christ: A Doctrine of Underestimated Importance to the Church”

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida. And the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth, who are listening via live streaming at ironsharpensironradio .com. This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Thursday on this 13th day of May 2021, known to all Christians who follow a liturgical calendar as Ascension Thursday.

And we have as our guest today, somebody who, if you listen to this program long enough, you know I love interviewing this brother. He's become one of my favorite guests, and that's hence the reason I have him on so frequently.

His name is Roger Salter, and he is rector of St. Matthew's Anglican Church of Birmingham,.

Alabama.

We are going to address the Ascension of Christ, a doctrine of underestimated importance to the church. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Roger Salter.

It's a great joy to be on the topic for today.

Yes, it's quite providential that I just noticed today that someone on Facebook said, they actually posted it yesterday, if tomorrow were a good Friday, Facebook would be filled with all kinds of posts regarding the crucifixion of Christ.

If tomorrow was Easter, there would be a ton of messages posted on Facebook reflecting the fact that Christ has risen from the dead. But because it's Ascension Thursday, there are no posts at all about the Ascension of Christ, and that actually played right into my topic of the Ascension of Christ being a doctrine of underestimated importance to the church.

And although I do not strictly follow a liturgical calendar, I am a Reformed Baptist, and we typically don't do that, but I can't speak for every church. There are congregations that no doubt do that would identify as being Reformed Baptists.

I have nothing opposed to following a liturgical calendar, but I can say as one that does not typically refer to a liturgical calendar, I do see the benefit of it, especially when it comes to a day like today, because it is a doctrine that is not focused upon enough, and the serious and importance of it is not stressed enough.

And one of the very few sermons I've ever heard on the Ascension, that the whole sermon was specifically on that doctrine, I had the honor and privilege of hearing the late Dr. Greg Bonson preach a sermon on the Ascension of Christ back in the 1990s when I was visiting a church where he was the guest speaker in Brooklyn, New York.

The Ascension of Christ and the Anglican Church

But before we go into that theme, let's hear a little bit about St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama.

It's a neglected and coronation in heaven, and all that that means, occurring of the church.

Well, as far as St. Matthew's goes, I think it's always wise for us to make it clear that because of the stereotype that is based largely on truth, unfortunately, that so large a segment, the dominant percentage of those that would identify as Anglican or Episcopalian in the 21st century are either on the Oxford movement Romish side of theology and practice, or the liberal side, and even further to the left than that, the absolute apostate side.

So we have to make it clear that you are actually an independent Anglican church, and you are thoroughly reformed and thoroughly Protestant, and most of all, thoroughly biblical.

We trust that one of the key, or should I say the two of the key areas.

That would identify you as historic Anglicans is your adherence to the 39 articles of religion, which is a fine confession of faith drafted by one of my heroes of the faith, Thomas Cranmer, and also the, I believe it's the 1928 prayer book, is it not?

We use 1662.

Oh, okay.

Yes.

You're talking about the 1928 prayer book?

No, no, this was maybe a little bit later, bringing people into preparation.

And if anybody wants to find out more about St. Matthews in Birmingham, Alabama, the website is stmanglican, which stands for St. Matthews Anglican, stmanglican .weebly .com, that's W-E-E, B as in boy, L-Y, .com, and you can also go to rogersalter .com, rogersalter .com.

Why the Ascension Matters More Than We Realize

Well, as I said in the introductory portion of the program, the ascension of Christ is such an important and yet underestimated doctrine in the Christian church. Why don't you set up the background today for the biblical account of Christ's ascension, and what it means to you as not only an Anglican, but a Christian, and why we must be reminded of this important fact of not only history, but of biblical theology?

Well, Chris, we need to draw Maureen's attention.

Now, why is it that the ascension of Christ, which is sometimes called, the day upon which it's celebrated, is sometimes called the feast of the ascension of Jesus Christ, or merely Ascension Day, or even Holy Thursday?

Yes.

Why is it called, why is it held on a Thursday, on a liturgical calendar?

Exactly 40 days after the Red Day in terms of the calendar, if I'm now beginning with what you said to Mary.

I'm curious as to what is different about the ascension of Christ, other than who he was and is, being the God-man, is there anything different about the ascension of Christ and the mysterious account of Enoch in the Old Testament, who walked with God, and he was no more, for God took him in Genesis, and Christians traditionally have interpreted that as Enoch entering into heaven, alive, physically, without having died.

Yes.

Yes, yes.

Um, but of course with those...

And of course, when you say raised, you don't mean raised from the dead, because they didn't die, they were lifted up...

Uplifted, yes, carried to heaven.

So he was the only person who has ever been, who had ever ascended into heaven.

Yes, because...

Now what would be unique in a Bible-believing, conservative, and Reformed Anglican tradition as to the observation of Ascension Thursday, or Holy Thursday, or Ascension Day, or the Feast of the Ascension of Jesus Christ?

What would be unique on how a service, when it is conducted, would be conducted?

Well, I think we have...

We have a listener already. I don't know if you want me to wait to take the listener's question, or if you had something else to say there. It sounded like you were starting to say something.

Yes, I think it's an emphasis...

Oh, definitely.

...on the clouds of heaven. He approached the... So many of the...

We have that listener, Bobby in Hartsdale, New York, who says, I know that Christ is still today and forever will be the God-man, that ever since his being conceived in the womb of Mary by the Holy Spirit, he became the God-man, although he eternally existed as God before that.

How is his Ascension body different from his Resurrection body, if at all? I know that the Ascension body is, without question, incorruptible, since it will remain in heaven for all eternity. But is it any different from what we know from the teaching of Scripture, from the body that came forth from the tomb?

It was certainly raised... Sometimes the... Maybe through that was lack of... The continuity of Jesus' life among us... Appropriate for incorporation... ...kind of body, we too... Agnosticism... Modest... You know, the ability to be a body that has... Sent him to have... Participated in our hearts and minds...

...for the day, Chris?

You may never have to ask me for permission. Just go right ahead.

Okay. Well, a special prayer for the day. Our Lord Jesus... Into the heavens... Out of mind, as Paul says, you know, in Ephesians, turning our souls...

The Ascension as Christ's Victory and Enthronement

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Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen, if you just tuned us in. Our guest today is Roger Salter, the rector of St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama, which is a confessionally reformed Anglican church, fully biblical, fully Protestant.

And we are addressing the ascension of Christ. And today being Ascension Thursday, I thought it was very appropriate that our guest chose this subject. And especially because it is a doctrine of underestimated importance to the church.

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Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. And we have Bruce from Hoover, Alabama. And he says, Dear Chris and Roger, thank you for this tremendous ministry. And today for this vital discussion on modern day lack of worship around Christ's ascension.

My question is, given the current lack of acknowledgement, celebration, and ignorance of the ascension in the reformed Protestant church, a fact that must certainly be celebrated and encouraged by Satan and his minions, why do you think reformed denominations and congregations ignore the opportunity to sound and laud the ascension of Christ?

It's shocking, isn't it? Why would we do this? Top three to five reasons so to keep it brief. Thank you. Keep charging, both of you. Interesting question. And I think some of the assumptions here may be extreme.

I don't know if you would agree with me. But the reformed community at large, they certainly, if they are truly reformed, not by name only, like some of the liberal denominations that still have that in their name, but truly reformed Christians, reformed Baptists and Presbyterians, who do not hold to a liturgical calendar, still view the ascension as a vital truth of the scriptures.

So, I'm not really sure if he is equating the fact that there are many Christians that do not follow the liturgical calendar on this, that they're doing a great disservice. But if you could, perhaps, you know, perhaps you understood more clearly what Bruce in Hoover, Alabama was speaking about.

Well, first of all, I gathered that from remembering his.

Many questions that he has submitted during this program.

Yes. Yes. And now that, because I'm Australian. Really?

I didn't know that.

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To me, by the way, I don't know if you'll take this as an insult, but you sound more British than Australian or Tasmanian. And I don't know if other Australians and Tasmanians have told you that. But I have, I am, who am not an expert on accents, but from my American ear, you sound more British than me.

Puritans would have been among that group that were opposed to a liturgical.

Absolutely.

In fact, there are, there are churches today that I'm aware of in the Reformed Communion who do not even celebrate Christmas or Easter.

That's true.

Because they believe that we should be celebrating the birth, the sinless life, the death, burial and resurrection and ascension of Christ every time we meet on the Lord's day within particular focus on his resurrection on the Lord's day.

But there are differences of opinion, which is why I gave that caveat before handing Bruce's question over to you, because I respect the right of Christians not to hold to a liturgical calendar unless they are denying the truths behind the calendar.

And I think it is very dangerous to add something, a mandate to Scripture that doesn't exist.

There. The Anglican, it's largely, and I don't mean to be nasty about this, it's just an observation.

No, that's quite right. But the truth that our listener Bruce brought up is built into our title today, that the ascension seems to be, the truth of it seems to be, or should I say the importance of the truth of the ascension seems to be underestimated.

Yes. It is not a subject that is perhaps focused on often enough.

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