Drawing the Lines: Matt Walsh, Serene Jones, Ron Underwood

Greetings and welcome to The Dividing Line. My name is James White. I'm coming to you live or hopefully live. We're going to hope that we'll continue to be live for as long as we're trying to do this.

From the city of Westminster in London United Kingdom. Some of you may have seen a link I posted earlier had the opportunity of visiting the world-famous Grace Life Church in London and I say that it's world-famous because Kofi made it famous for the years that he was there and so I got to Teach and preach there yesterday and tomorrow morning.

I will be recording two unbelievable radio broadcasts. One on the subject of Islam and one on reformed theology. We're gonna be debating Romans 9 again and no not with Layton flowers but with someone else and so then I'm heading off to the Netherlands and Then I'll be back here next week for a debate in the East London Mosque as well.

So we're keeping busy while traveling here though. Not as busy as I have been in the past so much so that I'm actually sleeping well. Which is really nice have had beautiful weather so far not a spot of rain.

That's gonna end starting tomorrow evening I believe looking at the weather. But it has been gorgeous here in London, which means the crowds have been out. I tried to I Walked up to my favorite little Mexican restaurant in Trafalgar Square a while back and coming back.

Especially when I got near the Westminster tube station, which is right across from Big Ben, which right now you can't see. For years. We're not gonna be able to see Big Ben or hear Big Ben toll. Because they're doing renovation work on a large portion of Parliament Big Ben so on so forth every building around here seems to have stuff encasing it as they're working on stuff but anyway, so we are in London and That's what we're coming to you live.

Since I haven't seen anything from rich saying that anything's going wrong. I'm going to assume that this is working and We will go up there. I am wearing my tube shirt I've I've wanted to. I had bought summer a Mind the gap Shirt years and years ago and some I think she said Jani destroyed it threw up on it or something I forget what it was.

But anyways, and so I went into a I went into a store Yesterday or the day before and found And had a mind this mind the gap shirt and then another one I took a picture sent it to her and she chose this one.

And so I had gotten one I've still got it packed away. And I thought that's a nice shirt. So I went by today and I got myself a mind gap a t-shirt as well. The only sad thing is they're planning on new trains here in the tube system eventually that will not have a gap.

And that's just I think it's just wrong. Some of those gaps are pretty big. You really do have to have to mind them. I could see something small a person small person a leg whatever getting stuck down there would be pretty pretty bad I'm sure it happens rather regularly despite they're saying mind the gap.

Anyway, so that's where we are and so My thanks to everyone who makes these trips possible we have mentioned before the travel fund how important it is to be able to Do these kinds of things and the unusual nature of the of the things that we get to do when we're traveling and So, let me just mention real quickly that there are three more overseas trips that we need to work on coming up this year there will be one to South Africa and We're working on the scheduling of that right now and was just talking with the folks down in Randberg on that particular subject.

Sorry about the sounds those are computer sounds and I'm not exactly completely certain how to turn them off. You just have a little. They may be the same sounds you use which means you're looking at your computer going what's going on?

But that's just that's just life. That's modern communication. Um, if you can survive the baby's crying during the sermon, you don't have to be bothered by that anyway. So that's we're looking at August for that and then in early October Sydney, Australia.

We will be announcing a major debate with a well-known Roman Catholic apologist there in Sydney in October and then three weeks later We'll be announcing a major debate here in London that I'll be coming back for so Three overseas trips and so your support makes this happen.

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Anyway, so thank you very much for making this possible and letting you know just letting you know about the future Opportunities coming up and your ability to be a part of that. So today on the program Let me start with some some biblical passages and then I've got I think a really important study.

That I think this audience especially will find needful and helpful. I've told the folks an apology about this. And by the way, I did link to my Sunday sermon at Grace life. I think I put I think I put it on Facebook if I recall correctly I don't think I remembered to cross-link it over to Alpha-Omega's Facebook or put it on our blog.

I need to I need to do that if I can remember to do that. And this morning I listened to my fellow pastor Jeff Durbin's sermon and it was Fantastic, I know I'm biased but I So much better than mine. But I'm I don't claim to be much of a preacher.

I'm more of a teacher. So Be watching for that when the video comes out I listen to it on while running along the temps. Which was really slow this morning because it was I was running a lot of very uneven surfaces.

The last thing I want to do is fall and break something while I'm traveling. I always run much more slowly when I'm overseas because I just. Just you know, if you fall at home, you've got certain things you can do and when you fall overseas It's a completely different issue.

But anyhow, so What are we talking about here? Well, I'm gonna begin in Romans chapter 14 and Sorry to look at be looking away, but I managed to get my iPad hooked up to my computer so that I have two screens.

It's amazing how difficult it is to cram everything that you do for a program like this onto one laptop screen. So I have one of those big honking iPads. It's nearly as big as my laptop and So my Bible programs over there Romans chapter 14 beginning verse 18.

Now, you know Romans 14 Judging others Weaker and stronger faith eating of food Issues issues of Christian freedom and the fact that there will be disagreements between Christians in regards to How we understand certain things and the lengths to which we can go in Christian freedoms.

Romans chapter 14. Normally the first part of the section is like that. I'm gonna look at the end part Verse 18 for he who in this way serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men so then we pursue the things which make for peace and Building and the building up of one another do not tear down the work of God for the sake of food all things Indeed are clean, but they are evil for the man who eats and gives offense.

It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine and do anything. But what your brother stumbles the faith that you have have is your own conviction before God happy as he does not condemn himself of what he approves now.

Primarily within the context of the local church of the local fellowship. I mean The idea of expanding that out In an unlimited way wouldn't make any work. It wouldn't make any sense because there's gonna be people who are gonna be offended by something all around the globe simply because cultural Issues but primarily within the local context where someone is going to be you are in fellowship with someone then what you want to do is you you want to Pursue the things which make for peace and the building up of one another.

Well, okay, that's a important Concept it's one of the many commands that we need to accept and and and add into our our thinking. And we need to be constantly considering it. All right with that in mind are there not other texts that we can That we need to look at there are that would Give us another aspect of this.

So this is within the church. There are gonna be differences of opinion. What are they on? Well Even even he says All things indeed are clean. There's a theological statement. But they're evil the man who eats and gives offense and so There are principles that must be applied and This is this is you know, some of my Muslim friends, for example Say that the Quran is better that Islam is better than Christianity because you have such specific and clear rules within Islam.

You don't have rules in Christianity. Well, you have principles that must then be applied that takes a tremendous amount of thought. I think it's a much higher Thing and just simply having a rule book that you then enforce on every single culture we have principles that must be applied cross culturally and Across the centuries as well.

Lest we get stuck in one century. Which I think is what you have with a lot of the forms of at least historic forms of Sharia. But here are some principles laid out for us, okay. All right, let's let's go the next set of verses.

In Galatians chapter 1 I'm amazed that you are so quickly deserting him who called you by the grace of Christ for a different gospel. Which is really not another that is not another of the same kind. Only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ so there are people who can disturb the fellowship and They want they literally want to distort the gospel of Christ.

That is their desire. We're not talking here about people Who Do not want to distort the gospel of Christ who do not believe they're distorting the gospel of Christ. Talking about people who want to distort the gospel of Christ.

But even if we are an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we've preached to you. Let him be accursed. He's to be accursed said before so say now again if any man is preaching you a gospel contrary to what you received he is to be accursed and so the same Apostle Who writes concerning The freedom within the fellowship to have disagreements over applications.

Obviously does not take that to mean that oh, there are no rules. We can believe what we want. There are clearly definitional central aspects that Paul says here's here's the Body line you you and the gospel is one of them and you've heard us talk about this for years.

This is where we disagree with the mere Christianity movement your Christianity movement will Properly recognize that who God is who Christ is is absolutely vital cross Resurrection absolutely vital definitional without them.

You don't have the Christian faith. But what mere Christianity does to say, but the gospel issues are too tough. We're gonna lay them off to the side. You can have just all sorts of you know, you know, I don't have to worry about that Apostolically Paul draws a line.

But he draws a line specifically in regards the nature of justification in other words the aspects of the gospel that Paul says Brings the anathema of God are those aspects that would divide the church that would give you a Jewish Christian Church Gentile Christian Church and that comes out in the second chapter in those extremely important verses Verse four but it was because of the false brethren the the pseudo Delphi's the false Adelphi they looked like us they talked like us, but they were false so he recognizes You we we must as Christians recognize the danger of false brethren.

He is in verse in chapter 1 talked about people who want to distort the gospel. He's they don't gonna talk about these people want to bring us into bondage. They want to spy out our freedom he says it was because the false brethren secretly brought in who had Knock in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus for a reason in Order to bring us into bondage in Order to bring us into bondage.

But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour. So if the truth of the gospel would remain with you. So there is a truth of the gospel the false brethren want to do away with it and This truth the gospel has to do with freedom.

It has to do with not being brought into bondage when we read all of Galatians it has to do with how we are made right before God in the exact same way whether we're Jew or Gentile we know what they were trying to do they were trying to tell people you had to become part of the Old Covenant before you could come part of because you had to receive the sign of circumcision and.

So in light of that Paul says no that would have resulted in a division in the church. You would have had a Gentile Christian Church Jewish Christian Church and Paul says no that will destroy our freedom.

That brings us into bondage. This is about justification. This is about how we have peace with God and Therefore there can be absolutely no compromise on this matter whatsoever. Those preaching that gospel are anathema and they are pseudodelphi.

They are false Brethren, that's just all there is to it. Now. Is that the only thing that brings that kind of? Condemnation. No, let's turn to the Apostle John 1st John chapter 2. Children this last hour and just as you heard that Antichrist is coming even now many Antichrist or any Antichrist have appeared from this.

We know that is the last hour they went out from us. So Whatever your theology and your eschatology does with the term Antichrist. You need to recognize that it's found in the plural in scripture and that it had to do with false teachers who went out from the Christian Church who at one point were part of the Christian Church who would have been identified by Paul as pseudodelphi.

They went out from us, but they were not really of us. For if they had been of us, they would have remained with us. But they went out so it would be shown that they all are not of us. But you have an anointing for the Holy Spirit and you all know is Not I have not written to you because you do not know the truth.

But because you do know it and because no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar? But the one who who denies that Jesus is the Christ. This is the Antichrist. The one who denies the father the son. Whoever denies his son does not have the father.

The one who confesses son has the father. Also elsewhere in 1st John he also as other Christological elements denying that he's the Christ. That may have had to do with denying the Jewishness of Jesus because there is an anti-jewish polemic among some of the Gnostics.

Because they certainly like the Tanakh the Old Testament. But also he says that they denied that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. So the incarnation is a part of these things. And so what what do we see here?

We see that we have biblical basis. Paul had said in Galatians, for example that When You did not know God You worship those which by nature are no gods. So you have to have the right God. You have to have the right Jesus.

There there has to be a Desire for truth in these areas. You can't just simply Connect Jesus to Buddha and say good enough. No Jesus taught us about the one true God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. So there there are definitional lines That are absolutely necessary.

Absolutely necessary. Where do we draw them? This is what I want to talk about today. This is Where we have to have maturity. We have to fight compromise and we have to have grace and it's finding that interface of grace and maturity and not compromising that.

Some of you who I consider my brothers and sisters in Christ may Disagree with me. You may say no, I Can't go there. I draw the line here. I draw the line there. Okay, but we need to have the conversation and We're gonna need to have the conversation Repeatedly in the future because the fact is in Western society.

We are being forced compressed closer and closer to one another. There was a time in the past where especially people from the fundamentalist mindset Might live their entire life and hardly ever have any meaningful theological interaction with the Roman Catholic and so the bad Anti-roman Catholic stuff and there's a lot of it out there the jack-chick type stuff the sorry Dave hunt type stuff.

Would be enough because you'd never really be challenged. Especially if you came from a fundamentalist background liberalism. You would no more walk across the room to greet a Lutheran than then you would a Satanist.

Any type of liberal Perspective you just simply dismiss not ever listening to it with I ever understanding where it's coming from. How these people are arguing why they view you and basically the same way you view them.

Any of that kind of stuff? All that is changing partly because the internet which is how you're watching me right now and Partly because we are being pressed together by the rising secular nature of Western society around us and so this conversation Needs to be had.

Each one of us needs to think these things through. I have to think these things through all the time. I do not claim infallibility for myself. I am glad to learn from others. But If we are going to be actively seeking to proclaim the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

We have to put down some stakes and say this is where we're gonna stand. This is where we're gonna stand and So what caused me to think this through? Three different things. Just over the past 24 hours as I have been doing stuff over here in in London made me think about this and the fact of our announcement of my Becoming elder at Apologia because Apologia is so Mightily active in Doing things we just did a apology radio where we talked about the difference between biblical justice and the social justice movement.

Because our people would say hey all that stuff you're doing about abortion hey, if you're not into the social justice stuff, then you're wasting your time because you're being inconsistent and things like that and so we were addressing issues like that and and.

And again, it was it was a joy for me. I'll be sitting there and Jeff and I are on the exact same page. We're talking about well This is a Mago day II thing and you've got to understand the image of God and don't have the image of God.

You know all the things that fit together the consistency that is found there three things. Let me mention the three of them. I Listened to the cross politic Episode with Matt Walsh now. Matt Walsh is a Roman Catholic.

He is a Roman Catholic now, I don't know how orthodox he is. I don't know how conservative he is. But anyone who's followed Matt Walsh for any period of time at all knows he hates reform theology. He hates the sovereignty of God's salvation.

He rejects solo scripture. And so he is a Roman Catholic. We have a little experience in dealing with Roman Catholicism and I listened to the episode and I listened as the guys spoke about the gospel and about the Bible.

About the Bible being the Word of God. About bringing people to the gospel. Problem was in the entire episode. Never was it brought out and by the way, Matt. Do you still really think that? Jesus is represented on the altar and a perpetuatory sacrifice by a man who claims to be an altar Christus and That you receive partial forgiveness of your sins because of your attendance to a ceremony where you bow before that.

Which by the way is not the gospel of Jesus Christ. He said a lot of stuff against Pope Francis. That's fully understandable. There's lots of Roman Catholics to do but the Roman Catholic gospel and What must be done in the sacramental system?

If you can read Galatians and then look at what Rome actually teaches on the gospel and go yeah, it fits. We're on another planet. You know if we need to have that discussion I've just met so many modern non-roman Catholic evangelicals.

Who don't have a clue? Don't have a clue. What traditional Roman Catholic theology is? Where that is today? I recognize there are so many in the Roman Communion who do not do not do not believe what Rome teaches that doesn't mean that.

There is a new teaching that's taken its place. There is still a Roman Catholic Orthodoxy, even if the Bishop of Rome doesn't have to profess it. The other Bishop of Rome guy did even though with a modern spin on it.

I would say on some levels Ratzinger is who I'm referred to anyway. It was a it was frustrating to listen to the discussion because the Foundations had not been laid and there's a there's a chasm. You know on the one hand I'm listening to the Reformed guys talking about the Gospels power of God and the centrality of Scripture and the nature of Scripture and I'm sitting there going that doesn't believe any of those things.

So you can sit there and talk to him until the cows come home, but you're using a different lexicon. It's a little bit like talking to a Mormon it that way there. There's a different set of meanings attached to these things and you've got to know that you or nothing's gonna be accomplished and So I wrote some questions on Twitter.

It started to get a little bit of response before the program started. There may be something going on on Twitter right now that I don't I'm not watching. I only have so many. So much space here to be able to do.

So and this this issue would definitely Cause me to be distracted if I was trying to follow Twitter at the same time. So that was the first was there you have an example of Matt Walsh Roman Catholic, how does that impact our understanding of who a Christian is?

Because I have said and I've never been given reason to abandon this exegetically anyways get been given a lot of emotional Relationship arguments but exegetically I have never been given a reason to abandon this.

And I'll tell you why I don't like this. I'll tell you why I don't like this. I'm gonna tell you why I don't like this. I'll tell you why I don't like this. I'm gonna tell you why I don't like this because it's a little more light in it's getting dark here in London.

And that is that I believe that there are saved people in the Roman Catholic Church. But they are saved in spite of Rome's gospel not because of it. I am NOT gonna limit God's grace in that way. There are some people who just simply say hey if you walk to the door of that church, you're going to hell.

That's it. Just flush them. There are a lot of people to do that. There's no question about that. But I can have the hope that there are simple Saints Who hold to a simple yet sufficient and this could be important.

What is a sufficient gospel over against a Insufficient gospel. What is the difference between a false gospel and an insufficient gospel? What is the difference between a person who seeks to fully? understand all of gospel truth and consistently make application and the person who has traditions that interfere with their being able to do that and is there any one of us That does not have some tradition That impacts our understanding to some point of falsity.

The idea of doctrinal perfectionism Is another issue we'll we'll look at second example, as I said, there are three first Matt Walsh on cross culture. Second example serene Jones start to serene Jones of Union Theological Seminary.

I I'm I'm I'm in the future right now eight hours ahead of Home so I was seeing the Nicholas Kristof serene Jones stuff even before the briefing this morning from Albert Muller that read from some of the portions of the article which were absolutely Amazing.

Unless you know liberalism if you know liberalism then reading the serene Jones stuff where basically God really isn't a divine Isn't a being but it's sort of it's sort of almost the force and Jesus just happens to look a lot like serene Jones and This physical rising the dead thing that's just you know that that never happened and the virgin birth thing.

Everything if you want to see where social justice ends up going how it perverts every element of Orthodox Christianity. Just look to serene Jones. Look to earth look to the Union Theological Seminary.

This is this is the fulfillment of Machen's book the reality that truly without question Liberalism is a different religion than Christianity. Union Theological Seminary is not by any stretch the imagination a Christian Seminary it is a seminary of humanistic liberalism.

It's a different religion. They have no resurrection. They have no meaningful crucifixion. They have they've got nothing and that's why they all die and That's why Union for example has they don't get enough students to stay alive from the old Dying mainline seminaries.

And so what have they done? They have Chosen to become fully involved in the promotion of The social justice stuff which is why just a matter of days after the statement of social justice came out They came out with their cart their counter articles which started with what the Bible's on an error.

Let's just start from there. So I won't go into too much more of that was actually gonna read some of the some of the material but I've already taken too much time. If you listen to this morning's briefing, it's Monday.

You will hear Albert Muller talking about serene Jones and again, this is one of the reasons why in God's Providence I had to Go to full of theological seminary for my first master's degree. Yes, I got great education had a number of professors that I had had at Grand Canyon.

So there Weren't all just a bunch of wild-eyed liberals. But I Had to be exposed to liberalism and learn how liberals think. Because I've had to deal with that Apologetically now for decades and I am thankful it wasn't enjoyable at the time.

But I'm thankful now that that's that's what I had to go through at that particular point in time. So Here you have someone who claims to be a Christian Claims to be a Protestant minister. She's not a Protestant.

She's not a minister. She's not a Christian. And upon what basis do I said she rejects the God of the Bible the Jesus of the Bible the crucifixion the resurrection every element of Historic orthodox faith is denied by this woman.

Matt Walsh is considerably closer to the truth Than Serene Jones ever could be seen as being close to the truth, but by any stretch of the definition. The problem is people really struggle to make these distinctions.

And especially people with a fundamentalistic mindset. They'll just throw a waltz and Serene Jones in the same pot. You can't do that. You cannot you cannot come up with that. That's that's impossible.

If you don't make it just if you can't Intelligently discuss and function within the categories that would allow you to understand The differences between Serene Jones and Matt Walsh you will never be able to be used to reach either one of them and that's one of the major problems.

The major problems with the Application of fundamentalist mindset is that These individuals are rarely concerned about reaching these folks. I've seen people come out of liberalism to embrace orthodox Christian truth.

I've seen many people come out of Roman Catholicism to engage to embrace Orthodox biblical truth to walk in the light to honor the scriptures as the Word of God and to follow Jesus Christ and his Lordship.

You have to if you don't want to reach those people then you can just simply throw them all into you know. Into one big basket if you want to but if you actually want to encounter them you have to you have to make proper category assertions as that leads to the third of The of the issues.

The third thing that that I brought up that I was looking at. I ran across a Discussion Turretin fan. My friend Turretin fan Had posted an article on Facebook Because I was being criticized for not dealing with Arminianism and and everybody's like yeah, I guess yeah looked at his books and debates and stuff like that, but it's a different context and An individual started commenting On that particular Facebook Article and I felt like what he said was so useful in illustrating this third perspective and These are people who are more Calvinistic than Calvin much more Calvinistic in Calvin.

Who would be embarrassed by Calvin's willingness to interact with people who did not? Cross the T's and dot the I's exactly. They think they should be. He was obviously way too liberal for most of these folks, but I fell up in Denver by the name of Ron Underwood Responded to Turretin fan.

I'm just gonna read you. James White is an Arminian in Calvinist clothing and What comes out of his mouth concerning considering Arminian's brethren confirms what he actually believes in his heart that the false universal atonement gospel and Failed Christ is still in his mind the power of God in the salvation the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks idle words contradictions blasphemy idolatry in an outright denial and rejection of the gospel of Lord Jesus Christ and what his death actually accomplished and James James is cowardly lackey Francis Turretin has to use a pseudonym for his own name.

What a coward. See the similarities and how they hide their faces like they're Muslim terrorists and counterparts who they consider their mentors disgusting now. Not exactly the way to start. Normally, I would just simply block someone like that ignore it because they're just Obviously filled with hate and imbalanced and stuff like that.

And you know where they're getting half their stuff when someone when someone uses the term mentor, you know. They're getting it from Brannan house. And you know, they're referring back to the fact that I very plainly openly admitted that I actually have taken time to learn about Islam even from Muslims and that in listening to Yasir Qadhi's lectures.

His Arabic pronunciation was excellent and extremely useful so on so forth and I think at one point I used the term I had learned much from him mentor and For this mindset. That's impossible you No Christian should ever learn about Islam from a Muslim.

Now we all sit back and go. Well, you know, it's probably best to learn heart surgery from a heart surgeon. Yeah. Yeah, right there. Yeah, but most these folks. Again, it's a fundamentalist mindset and the fundamentalist mindset.

You you're not allowed to do that. First hand knowledge direct knowledge direct study of original sources. Utilization of interaction with people. Just read Christian books written by somebody else about that stuff and that'll that that'll be enough.

Which results of course in the fact that they have zero impact Amongst these these people which is understandable. But Then there was and I had had these all up, I'm sorry, but then I had to reset my system.

Then this next comment Francis Turret and he considers them brethren, which means he believes that that false gospel saves. Doesn't matter if he claims to be a Calvinist doesn't even matter if he says Arminianism is heresy like RC scroll.

Can you not see the contradiction? It's irreconcilable. Irreconcilable nonsensical double-talk a child can see it. Can you for one second just set aside the exaltation of men and your preacher worship and look at this through the lens and logic of Scripture what's more important to you foul men and their ministries of the glory and honor of Christ is James White more important to you Than the Lord Jesus Christ.

So this is again. This fellow is pretty aggressive. You know you hear it. But then here was the most important one and This was come on bring it up. There we go. And this is the one I responded to Speaking to Francis Turret's is anyone can claim to be a Calvinist and Yet deny it by what comes out of their mouths.

All Arminians are lost and need to be evangelized and Most Calvinists are lost. Why but listen to why? Because they have divorced the gospel and the main thing The righteousness of God as revealed in the gospel and what the death of the Lord Jesus Christ actually accomplished from the very doctrines of grace they claim to believe in.

I Was a lost five point Calvinist for over ten years. There it is. There's The statement I had gotten through all the other nastiness To see that and it's it's important. I was a lost five-point Calvinist for over ten years until when until he came to understand to reach that level of enlightenment and He denies this.

But this is what I call doctrinal perfectionism. That is there is a level of doctrinal perfectionism you must attain to before you're truly a Christian and It's not just the five points. It even goes beyond that.

It's it's evidently recognized and all Arminians are lost and That they need to be evangelized. You need to get every Arminian to believe in in particular redemption. They have to accept Doctrine limited atonement and if they don't they're just they're going to hell and and no person evidently in The history of the church has ever been saved who did not confess limited atonement That.

So I I responded and said, you know what? I I will try to remember go over your comments on the dividing line as a warning to others who may confuse DPism Doctoral perfectionism with Christianity to which he responded.

I'm not afraid of you or your bullying tactics and your response is telling in Building and burning your straw man of doctrinal perfectionism here. You claim victory through blatant dishonesty and misrepresentation.

How by refusing to debate sunny Hernandez and openly lying about something? I do not hold to doctrinal perfection as a condition of salvation. Consequently now how you avoid this is the issue. Consequently you are now taking this to the DL to accuse Saints the Living God and draw disciples unto yourself by telling your audience What we believe apart from engaging us.

This is disturbingly underhanded for the record I nor anyone has ever claimed doctrinal perfection as a condition of salvation. James salvation isn't conditioned upon doctrinal perfection, but upon Christ.

Okay, that's true. Then what do you do with the person? Who professes faith in Christ believes that Jesus Christ is the only way of salvation. That only by God's grace can anyone be saved. But does not believe in particular redemption.