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Matt Slick Bible Study, Galatians 1
There we go, and now we're live. All right. Well, let's see. What is the date today the 5th of August, isn't it? Yeah, we've been here in Idaho 17 years now. It was on the second. We're 17 years. Yeah.
So we can't believe we've been here that long. How long were you in Escondido total like 14 years? And in for Four and ten, I think that's what it was four years than ten years. We've been here longest.
Yeah. All right, so All right, we people to come in a little bit and what we're gonna do is go start we're gonna start to the book of Galatians will pray and I'm able to see people in the chat on the computer here that I'm pointing down at down there and We're gonna go through this is not gonna be stellar.
Because it's the intro to Galatians. But as we get into stuff, you know, it'll get more interesting and more more better and We'll be talking so let's pray let's go Lord Jesus thank you for this time and I asked Lord that you would bless this study and bless the Hearers Lord that your word would go forth and that we would benefit from learning from your word and the truth of your word Lord Jesus, we give you.
Thanks. We ask for your anointing your presence and For understanding as we let that that knowledge and encourage that knowledge in our hearts and minds to change us. So we give you thanks Lord we just bring you glory and we ask this your name.
Amen. All right. So if you go to Galatians 1 Then We'll go to Galatians 1 probably so Galatians was probably written around 48 AD. And it was written. It looks like Paul wrote it. We know that To the region of Galatia, which is present-day Turkey, and I've had the privilege of touring through Turkey.
He went there and saw the seven churches of Revelation. That was an interesting experience that I had and Went to Laodicea went to Ephesus but Galatia is kind of in the middle ish of Turkey a sliver that goes up in the area and So Paul had it was in his missionary journeys had been up in that area.
It started the Galatian Church and now Judaizers were coming in and saying hey This is what you've got to do be just to be due to be saved now as we go through the book of Galatians. What you're going to notice.
Yeah, anyway, so what we're gonna be doing is to go through the book of Galatians is we're going to To find out and experience more and more of what it means to be justified by faith without any works that any Combination of works as the cults and false religions like Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox advocate and we're gonna be going through some of that and At some points we're gonna be going a lot slower and at some points areas.
We're gonna be going a lot quicker so so there is a tendency within us to want to do in order to be justified by our own works and I Could tie that in probably to the inherited sinful nature through Adam, but I won't do that for now.
So the different topics that are caught are soon be covered in the book of Galatians or apostolic authority justification by faith Abraham sonship law of Moses circumcision freedom and The Holy Spirit there's gonna be a lot of good stuff in here as we get to it now just so you know Martin Luther used this really studied Galatians and exegetic Galatians.
In response of the Catholic Roman Catholic doctrine of salvation, which I'm going to get into in a little bit now I Just borrowed an outline form of Galatians from a commentary. I was reading. I've got it here my notes.
There's different ways of outlining books. No, I don't think you'll always come up with the exact same outline but pretty close and so. What we'll be doing is going through various things. They entered usually there's an introduction.
There's a reason for why something's being written who is being written to and the various topics and issues that are there. One of the things that you don't hear about very much is called task theology.
TASK. Task theology is why was this book or this issue addressed? What was the task at hand in Galatia? It was the task was to refute the Judaizers the people who were saying you have to believe in God and do something in order to be saved and we'll get into what.
Those things are so let's just jump right into Galatians chapter 1 verse 1 Paul an apostle not sent from men nor through the agency of man. But through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised him from the dead.
Now before we get into it, I just want to ask if you guys can hear me. Okay in the chat room I didn't ask go to make sure you guys can I'm assuming you can just let me know you can say yes takes 10 or 15 seconds to go through and I'll just say yeah, you can hear me and stuff so what he's doing here is he's saying that he's an apostle not sent from man his Authority is important did not just come from men as though a bunch of people in a church laid hands on him and said That Thank You.
Melissa said that This is where my authority comes from. Now this is interesting because there are some groups that say the authority that they have comes from their church. But they'll say the church gets their authority from Jesus passed down through the lines.
I get so sick and tired of hearing that kind of stuff because Our church is a true church. Our church has the authority place like a brother. You know I hear that from the cults all the time and people who claim to be Christians will often do this instead of the authority found in Jesus Christ the authorities found in Their church which they claim comes from apostolic succession and stuff like that.
So In Acts 9, this is where we find that Saul was going along the road and he was going to persecute some Christians and Jesus knocked him off his horse. Go and then he says go to Ananias and talking to Ananias and a Tanner and he goes but this is the guy's been killing everybody persecuting your people and Jesus is one talking go for he's a chosen instrument of mine to bear my name before the Gentiles the kings of the sons of Israel.
This is one of the verses I will go to and people say that individuals are not elected for salvation or chosen for salvation. I say absolutely. Yes, they are. Here's the proof right here Paul was on his way to go kill Paul was on his way to persecute.
Paul was not in any way seeking Jesus or the truth of Christ. He's going after that and all of a sudden Jesus interferes. Jesus knocks him on the cliff. It says you're mine now. Sorry, Armenians and Catholics and East Northodox about your own libertarian pretty well but the fact is that this was an elected individual and there are other people Rufus and and Others who were chosen.
Individuals there are groups were chosen as well. But nevertheless, so Ananias departed and entered the house and after laying his hands on him said brother Saul The Lord Jesus has appeared to you on the road by which you are coming has sent me to.
So that you may regain your sight be filled with the Holy Spirit. Now I could really get into this comment back up in in Acts 9 Because he says receive the Holy Spirit, but was he say when was Paul saved?
I don't know how to answer the question. Would you say when he got knocked off his horse was he saved when he had little hands laid on him? He starts speaking in tongues. Did he speak in tongues? Let hands on him for what to receive the Holy Spirit.
And when you see the Holy Spirit in Acts 1 and 2 the charismatic gifts are manifested. So We don't know but anyway Paul in 2nd Corinthians 1 1 he says he's an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God in Timothy our brother, etc.
And in 1st Corinthians 9 1 Paul defends his apostleship. He says am I not an apostle? He says have I not seen? Jesus our Lord are you not to work in my work in the Lord? So he is defending his apostleship by saying I've seen the Lord.
Now if you go back to Acts 1 when Judas had hung himself they needed to have a replacement and So they said it had to be have someone who's been with us from the beginning and they drew lots. They got Matthias.
There's some discussion or whether that was the right approach, but doesn't matter for now and but yet Paul the Apostle was specifically called by Jesus and he's an apostle because he says have I have I not seen the risen Lord now.
Sometime on Sunday mornings, but not very often. Because I have a tendency to start yelling at the TV when I'm watching Varying religious programs and it'll be Apostle Joseph gets up and I'm gonna preach to the word.
Here's the Apostle Joseph. Like you're an apostle where'd you get this because the apostolic authority and the way to be called an apostle of the scripture is by By having seen the risen Lord now. There are differences at different kinds of apostles or seven kinds.
Even Jesus is called an apostle and it comes to the Greek word apostella, which means to send. So we're gonna be careful here not just to just to pooh-pooh them automatically. But the issue is I always take umbrage with someone who says, you know, I'm the Apostle so-and-so.
So I've been called an apostle and I've been called a prophet. I've been called a few other things as well but mostly by my wife, but that's another topic and When I've been called an apostle, I do not claim that title and I'm called a prophet.
I do not claim that title. I don't accept that. I'm not an apostle. I've not seen the risen Lord. I've been in his presence, but not seen the risen Lord and I don't work miracles. But could not all apostles did and I'm not a prophet the law the prophets were until John John John 14 14 the Luke 16 16 and so there aren't any more prophets like they were in the Old Testament sense.
There's prophets in the New Testament sense and those are the ones who you know prophesy. I have prophesied once just once and it came to pass in detail. And that happened like 30 no like 36 years ago before we were even married.
Wow. We've been married a long time. Yeah, marriage has been good for my wife. So Other ladies in the house are looking at her and my wife's going so. What's that? I'm listening. My wife's saying something over there because she's mumbling it gotta get what he's advanced microphones.
I can hear this. All right. It's like apologetics, that's right. So So anyway, this is an issue about apostolic authority and succession, yeah. The Roman Catholic Church the Eastern Orthodox Church other churches claim to have apostolic authority as does the Roman the Mormon Church, they'll say that the hands are laid upon Joseph Smith.
You know some people Watch sports and when their team fails they get irritated When I hear heresy. Particularly stupid heresy. I get irritated. I'm gonna fix the camera angle a little bit here. Hold on one sec.
And Of course in a weird way. I enjoy heresy. I Do I enjoy heresy? I don't know what it is about me. I got something wrong upstairs. See if my wife says yes or no, but She was yeah, she she probably is mocking me when I'm not looking at her so When I hear something heretical, I'm like, wow, that's cool.
I like that. It's a weird kind of a thing. It's because I'm made Inside to deal with apologetics to deal with heresies because I see how they relate to the truth and I know how to deal with these issues and.
So that's why I'm entertained by it, but not in a sense where hey look there, you know, it's stupid I'm laughing at him. It's just a weird kind of a thing. Okay, so So when I see these Oh Jesus apostles on TV, I'm an apostle I'm Bishop so-and-so I'm apostle so-and-so It's just to stop.
You know, oh I need to get on TV too. I need to get on on NRB and and And get tarred and feathered by the people that I point out. So anyway Verse 2 and all the brethren who are with me to the churches of Galatia now those churches Derby a city in Antioch Iconium Lystra.
These are all in the area of Turkey. There were churches that were planted because what Paul would do is do a missionary loop around certain areas. Wouldn't go up back up back up back up back, but make a circuit, you know and so there's a way to do a circuit inside the churches of Revelation is what we did when we toured in the tour bus as We're suffering in the air conditioning padded tour bus with our bottled water and our lunches that we brought and we went around.
And then we would get out and and and enjoy that the sites. But nevertheless so The Galatia is mentioned in Acts 16 6 acts 1823 first 15 16 1 and here of course in Galatians 1 2 so if you know where Israel is Geographically if you're looking this way Israel is here and it goes up like this and Turkey's up here so was it when we flew from Turkey to Israel is only a two-hour flight and.
And And on that small airplane I had to sit in between two humongous guys like 300 pounds each I literally was sitting like this for two hours. They both apologized. We're sorry. We're so big and I go, okay and They spoke English and everything and I still remember that I'm sitting like this and I was eating like this and for two hours, it's only two hours and I'll be fine and.
So when one guy left I popped out from the crack of between these guys. So Remember that we're gonna do no get out of the way. So grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ now.
Now notice something. Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ now in Islam and the Quran if you're reading the Quran what you'll find is Allah and his prophet Allah and his prophet over and over and over and over and over and.
And that that's that's a ploy by that false prophet to to try and raise himself to a level of authority so that he would not be Challenged and I could teach on Islam, but I won't hear so but notice what Paul's saying a grace and peace to you from God and Jesus so he's relating Jesus with God the Father as the ones who From them come grace and peace this is.
This is an Slight demonstration of the deity of Christ. All right. Now, why isn't the Holy Spirit mentioned in here? You'd think the spirit what? The Holy Spirit, of course, he's been he's eternal he's part of the Trinity Manifested.
No, he's already been there to birth at the baptism of Jesus. Yeah, and an axe and all this he's there. Because if you go to John 15 26 when the helper comes, that's the okay the spirit Whom I will send to you from the Father that is the spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father.
He will testify about me the Holy Spirit bears witness of Jesus. He doesn't point to himself. So as he's inspiring the writer to write this Paul the I believe what's happening is the Holy Spirit in his humility.
His job is to bear witness of Christ as well as convict the world of sin and stuff like that and. So, that's what I think is why he's not there and it says verse 4 who gave himself for our sins. So that he might rescue us from the present evil age according to the will of God our God and Father.
So he gave himself for our sins. Now. This is reminiscent of the Old Testament sacrificial system and When it says he gave himself he offered up himself as a sacrifice. The second Corinthians 521 it says that he became sin On our behalf in first Peter 224.
He bore our sins in his body on the cross in first John 2 2. He's a propitiation only for our sin, but sins of the whole world now. When we consider this we look at this. There is some interesting stuff here because in East and Orthodox theology, which we're going to get into a little bit and in Roman Catholicism the imputation of Adam's sin to us is not accepted and Our and the our imputation of our sin to Christ is not really how it works.
So that it's not a forensic issue, but it's a progressive issue. We'll get into that maybe a little bit later, but still he says rescue us from this present evil age. All right. I've gone over this before.
Discussing eschatological issues. There's two ages mentioned in the Bible. This age and the age to come this is the model. Eschatological model that Paul uses that Jesus uses and that others use in the scriptures.
I Don't hear anybody on TV or radio or in pulpits teaching from this perspective. I Don't know why. But this age and the age to come. In this age blasphemy will not be forgiven. Nor will be forgiven in the age to come.
Matthew 13 31 to 32. Eternal life is received in the age to come now the context of what he's talking about in Mark 10 30 and Luke 18 30 here is the issue of the full resurrection glorification everything.
Because first John 5 13 says we have eternal life right now so It's talking about the future and the fulfillment of it in this age we have marriage. But there is no marriage in the age to come. In this age is power and superior superiority of God in this age.
But is also a power and superiority of God in the age to come. This age is called the present evil age, which is where we're at. Look now and it's called an evil age and it's also in the present age that will receive a hundred times more.
And the rulers of this age Satan is the god of this world. Satan Corinthians 4 or 4 but it literally is the god of this age and the wisdom of this age is you know brings to nothing and. So we see two ages and then if you do an eschatological study on what happens at the end of this age.
Usually what happens is it'll mess you up Matt. This is false. We do not believe since Catholicism is the true church and your church is false at the sin of Adam transfers to us in a sense. In a sense in what sense is it not or does you have to be more specific?
But here we go so to him to whom be the glory forever. Amen. All right, so so. The glory is to the Lord Jesus Christ forever. He's gonna receive glory. All right verse 6. I Am amazed that you are so quickly deserting him who called you by the grace of Christ for a different gospel.
So what is the gospel in First Corinthians 15 1 through 4 now I make known to you brethren. The gospel which I preached to you which also you received in which also you stand by which you're saved if you hold fast the word.
Which I preached to you unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance. What I also received that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures that he was buried and that he was raised in the third day according to the scriptures so this clearly is what the the gospel is and.
So he says he says in verse 6 I'm amazed that you're so quickly deserting him who called you by the grace of Christ for a different gospel. He's gonna explain what this different gospel is. It's the gospel of legalism and Judaism the gospel of performing a ceremony in order to be saved in order to contribute it's a false gospel and I'm gonna show you here a little bit and In verse 7 he said he says which is not really another gospel.
Only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. He says there's only one real gospel. There's isn't another one that counts. It's not it's it's just not real. But this is what is believed by people a false gospel, all right now.
Justification is the declaration of righteousness by God and is received by faith Romans 5 1 and This is a fundamental doctrine of the Reformation the Roman Catholic Church had gone into apostasy hundreds of years earlier and The Eastern Orthodox Church broke out of it or that they'll say no they broke out of us.
The 12th at 1254 I think it was and They also are apostate and I'll show you why. Because the Bible says that justifications by faith and there's something really interesting that Jesus himself teaches in Luke 18 9 through 14 because in that section he said he teaches a parable of The text gather in the Pharisee they both went up to the temple To pray and the Pharisee said Lord, I tithe I you know, I do fasting, you know, I'm not a swindler I'm honest.
I you know do all this stuff. So what he's doing is he's saying Lord. Here's the good things I do and here's the things about that. I don't know. I'm not doing best up. I mean who to blame the guy and.
But what Jesus does when he introduces that he says this is a parable to demonstrate those who are self-righteous. They put their confidence in themselves and their ability look at this Lord, this is what I've done.
This is what I've not done. Now the tax gatherer was some distance off and was beating his own breast. Saying Lord be merciful to me the sinner. There is no Lord. Look what I've done. Look what I've not done.
Didn't even confess his sin. He says Lord be merciful to me the sinner not a sinner I am the sinner is Contrite heart and he's broken before the Lord and Jesus says this man went down justified rather than the other.
Wherever exalts himself will be about look so what Jesus is saying is that the one who is exalting himself was the one who is appealing to what he was doing right and Not doing bad doing good and not the best but yet what he's doing is complying with the requirements of the law.
Because the law says to do that. So why is he condemned? Because it's an arrogance in his own heart where he's thinking that this in part Makes him right before God. This is the false gospel that Jesus is is teaching about and this is what Paul is also going to be dealing with now.
Look in the Mormon Church in the Book of Mormon 2nd Nephi 25 23. For we labor diligently to write to persuade our children and also our brethren to believe in Christ and to be Reconciled to God for we know that it is by grace that we are saved after all we can do.
I Have quoted this verse to Mormon. I mean to Roman Catholics repeatedly. They'll be talking and they'll be talking about how look you're not justified by faith alone in Christ alone. But by faith in what you do and the works that you do or the gift from God so that you have to be doing Them to prove your faith and that's how you're justified.
Anyway, and I'll say so then you're you know, you gotta do all these things. Yeah. Are you doing them? Yeah, so you're saved by grace through faith. That's all you can do. Yeah and they don't even realize I've quoted the Book of Mormon and I say he's quoted the Book of Mormon and I got had some get mad at me.
You know and I see this is what a cult teaches, you know, God from another planet. You're teaching the same thing that they are. Now, what are the job is witnesses say? In February 15th, 1983 page 12th of the Watchtower.
The fourth requirement it's connected to oh, man, I got this wrong. It's the second requirement and I quoted I Paged it a wrong one, but I know what it says. The second requirement is more difficult and that is to it is to obey the commands of God.
And it says that in order to be saved there's four steps you got to do and one of them is uh, uh be Connected with loyalty to God's government governing organization. So I messed up on this Quote, uh, but it's right instead of here the quote I was supposed to get was right here on my page.
Anyway, no big deal, but it says that the second requirement more difficult than the others. It is to obey God's commands. Yes to conform yourself to the image of Christ to his commands. And so they likewise are saying the same thing.
Now check this out, this is a roman catholic church. Paragraph 2068 of the catechism of the catholic church the mission of teaching all peoples and of preaching the gospel to every creature so that All men may attain salvation through faith baptism and the observance of the commandments.
So wait a minute. So they have to observe the commandments and I rip into this like a monkey on a cupcake just for shredding it. And uh love to do that, um because roman catholicism is bankrupt. It's apostate and it teaches the false gospel.
And check this out. This is what it says in paragraph 2036 before I read it i'm going to tell you that in paragraph 2070 it says. It says that the ten commandments are an express representation of the natural law.
The ten commandments Are an expression of the natural law. The ten commandments are an expression of the natural law. Get that paragraph 2070. The ten commandments are an expression of the natural law paragraph 2070.
What does paragraph 2036 say? The authority of the magisterium extends all extends also to the precepts of the natural law. Because their observance demanded by the creator is necessary for salvation.
So it's necessary in roman catholicism to keep the ten commandments in order to be saved. That's what it's teaching. Can anybody be saved that way? No, you're trying to get saved that way you're going to hell.
That's a false gospel. We're going to get into this more and more. This is going to come out more and more in the book of galatians. What does eastern orthodoxy say justification. And this is from orthodox wiki .org.
I'm going to also quote from orthodox bridge .com. These are eastern orthodox sites. Justification the impartation of righteousness begins At conversion through the mercy of god and it continues Throughout the life of the christian as one is conformed in righteousness to the image and likeness of god through the power of the holy spirit.
Here's another version of this. Justification is accomplished at baptism and maintained through a life of obedience to god and confession of sins. You know, I so for some reason I just picture myself in a gym and uh.
There's a a block of iron 10 foot by 10 foot by 10 foot solid iron and uh. There's I got to go underneath it and bench press it. It's all balanced and I can. Is it going to happen? Not going to happen.
That's the law. I'm gonna pick that law up and carry it as soon as you pick it up. You're crushed by it. There's no hope I need someone who's so super strong. They can lift that they can keep the law.
That's jesus. What the cults the false religions like roman catholicism and eastern orthodoxy don't realize is we can't get our salvation by our obedience. Now what they'll say is matt you don't know what you're talking about.
You see we don't say it's by our obedience. We say that the holy spirit is working through us. And that he's working the gifts through us and that the good works we have that are ordained by god. Prove and demonstrate the righteousness that we have based on faith that's manifested through the works because they work together.
Okay. Oh, so then you gotta do what good works and i'll ask him. Can you be saved by by uh faith alone in christ? Not faith that's dead not faith like james 2 talks about yeah god exists just like the demons not like that.
But faith where it's a heartfelt trust you're putting your faith and trust in christ. Can that faith save you they don't want to answer? Yes, because if they do why go to their priests for confession?
Why do their sacraments? Why do their baptism for all this stuff? No, no, no, they teach a false damnable doctrine from the pit of hell both of them. And this is the what paul is talking about. Later on you'll see this but he says in verse 8 and then i'm gonna you know, i'll repeat it repeats.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you. He's to be accursed. That's anathema. And then in verse 9. As we have said before so I say again now if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you've received He's to be accursed.
So the the pope preaching a false gospel the priests in the eastern orthodox preaching a false gospel. Joseph smith preaching a false gospel the washtub bible and tract society is preaching a false gospel.
Because the bible teaches justification by faith alone in christ alone. And yeah, that's right i'm saying it roman Catholicism is apostates and uh, oh I like this. Jonathan talks i've debated and destroyed matchsticks several times.
I love that. Well, tell you what jonathan. If you have the time. Uh when we're done with a study you can come on in the room and you can debate me. All right. So i'm challenging you. Because he says he's debated me and destroyed me several times.
Okay. Thank you. So do you accept we've done about a half hour to 45 minute range? Do you accept the challenge to stay in i'll have you come in this room and we'll go at it just because you accept it.
Because let's see you can destroy me in public, okay. No problem. If that's what you want to do. All right. Sound good waiting for your answer. Everybody's waiting jonathan talks. You ready? You ready?
We'll do that. Jonathan talks puts the letter r I don't know. Are you serious? I don't know. I don't know this r. Maybe he's gonna you know, maybe he's going. Uh-oh. He's called me on it. Man up jonathan says marlene.
Yeah man up jonathan ray legray says do it. Come on. Let's see if he's gonna accept i'll give him another 10 seconds and then we'll get back into the study. Remember jonathan you destroyed me several times.
Remember, that's what you said. I'm waiting ray. Come on. Let's do it. Come on. Okay. Do. Wait, we did it already and I have plans but i'm fine to debate you tomorrow at the same time. You got plans. Look if you can't back it up don't step up.
All right, okay so, uh. Anyway, so, uh for now in the verse 10 for now i'm seeking the favor of men or of god. Or am I striving to please men if I were still trying to please men I would not be a bond servant of jesus christ.
That's that's a very diverse. Pleasing men are you men pleaser or god pleaser? I see so many people on tv men pleasers. Hey, you know what? You want to have a good day and be blessed just send your five dollars in here and get this free Handkerchief that I sweat on and and uh, you can get this.
You'll be blessed. Do this holy oil and put this water in your drink and you'll be blessed. And uh, you know you i'm pleasing you i'm tickling your ears that's what it is. Load of crap. Let's see. Hey, how many of you think it it's okay you can run.
Jonathan said man i'm running. He says i'm the one running. Wow. Okay, you guys tackle i'm in the in the uh in the in the room. Yeah, I remember talking to before and uh, basically he Didn't do very well.
Okay. Okay, let's go on verse 11 for I would have you know brethren that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. What is the gospel of man faith in works? What's the gospel of god faith in christ?
That's it. That's a difference. The gospel of man the false gospel is faith in what you do. But the gospel of god is faith in jesus not what you do. That's it. That's the difference, okay. And this gospel is divinely revealed now i've had the privilege of being able to study.
All kinds of cults or religions. They're all obviously from men and a couple of them from women and they are uh by far. Well, not by far they are. You do you have faith in god and you do good works and that's how you get that's how you're saved.
What. Always. Oh, yeah faith in works. Yeah. Because you have to have works to prove your faith and that's why they go together. But it's not the reward of faith of works. So sometimes they say it is some groups do but it's the faith that works with works.
And that's how you have to have the works to be saved. So I say well, what do you gotta do to keep yourself safe? And this is i'll ask him this can you lose your salvation? Of course, you can lose your salvation.
Well, wait a minute if my salvation depends on what jesus did. And only what he did I can't lose it. But if it depends on what you do in any way, then you can lose it. So your salvation depends upon you if it's on god only can't be lost.
It's securing christ that depend upon you. Well, then you can go sit all you want. There's this thing called regeneration people don't know about apparently who fight against god's word. And then try and add their own works mix it in with the blood of christ and say see how good I am arrogant fools.
For I would have you know brethren the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man verse 12. Where I neither received it from man nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of jesus christ.
But he was taught now I'm going to get into some stuff about arabia here a little bit. Uh back, I might be done here in 10 or 15 minutes. Jonathan. Uh. For you have heard of my former manner of life in judaism.
How I used to persecute the church of god beyond measure and tried to destroy it. And I was advancing in judaism beyond many of my contemporaries. Among my countrymen being more extremely zealous for my ancestral traditions.
So he's a jew of the jews highly educated following the life of judaism. Advancing in the laws the whole bit is he? Looking for christianity. Is he looking for salvation? Is it up to him and his free will?
No jesus goes. You are mine. Okay. That's how it worked. He was chosen a chosen vessel. But when god I love verse 15 Who had set me apart even from my mother's womb and called me through his grace was pleased to reveal his son to me now.
Set me apart even from my mother's womb. Well. That means that god had chosen paul in the womb of his mother to be a guy Who would be the apostle of jesus and what did he let paul do? He let paul kill christians and persecute him.
And before he called him. Now, wait a minute. So jesus Called paul from the womb. Set him apart in the womb. And didn't save him till whatever age he was saved and up to that point. He's he's becoming a very good jew working against the truth becoming apostate.
He is apostate. He's false working against christ and killing christians and persecuting them imprisoning them. Jesus is letting him do all this stuff and he's a chosen instrument to be a apostle to the gentiles.
Now if you think about it. Of all the people who deserve damnation Saul Fits the bill. Now i've often wondered what would I have been back then. I mean, I love theology. I love the bible. I love all this stuff.
Oh, i'd have been a pharisee. I would have been. So she said yeah, thanks a lot. My wife is you know, my wife is right there. She's got uh shurikens. So let's little spiritual shurikens. I Knew I was gonna say it.
Yeah my wife. Oh, man. She's got my back. Yeah with a knife. So, uh I would have been a pharisee. I would have been uh A legalistic guy following what I understood the bible to be working against god.
And the only reason i'm saved now period. The only reason i'm saved now is because of the mercy of god. That's it. That's it. I don't take any confidence in this uh in my ability, um when I got saved it was by the uh by the very presence of the lord and it was very dramatic a very deep very profound.
And uh, it was not because I Was wise. I actually had the flippant attitude of saying I'll give jesus a try at least i'll try and be sincere. So I did it's the truth and uh, so I said, okay i'll pray i'll pray sincerely.
If I've been on a horse i'd have been knocked down. Absolutely without a hesitation without a doubt. I would have been knocked down and uh I was reduced just to weeping. And i'll tell you this is how god works.
He's the sovereign king not us not the pope not the Magisterium not the east northodox church not their church fathers not ceremonies, etc, etc. Anyway, so he was pleased look at that, you know and called me through his grace was pleased to reveal his son In me so that I might preach him among the gentiles.
I you know, sometimes I wonder very careful how I say this sometimes you gotta think does god know what he's doing because someone like that. You know, I mean, of course he does without you know, but you kind of wonder sometimes i'll say that about myself.
I go. What are you thinking? I could list my sins what I was back then. Anyway, god is the one who's merciful and gracious. He uses the foolish things of the world To confound the wise right, hon. If I say so she says.
All right. Hmm usually I get an amen from her the foolish things. Amen. Look at me uh. Now he says he did not immediately consult with flesh and blood. All right, come on cat. Look at this. Look at this guy.
This is our cat. All right. So, uh, come on, come on, come on go come on. Hey. Go on. Yeah, we call him flopper because he's a clown car with fur awkward, all right. Okay, did uh, did he leave did he bail?
All right, i'm gonna get done here soon and he's. He had that's right he had plans. I think it was to go cry in the shower. All right. Um. Okay return okay, so he says in verse 16 to reveal his son in me that I might preach him among the gentiles.
I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood. Uh, yeah, I know the connection is glitchy. I don't know why it is unless there's something here. I forgot to do. Nope. Everything's good. Everything's good.
All right. Whoops. Let me get into that back. Is it still working. Oh. No, it was just me. I did that. Okay I didn't make sure that there wasn't another setting that was set or unset or whatever. All right.
I don't know why. It's doing that. Uh, it's on the phone which is on the wireless connector. It should be fine. I've done this before for weeks on the phone. So anyway, we'll just have to keep going verse 17 nor did I go up to jerusalem to Those who were apostles before me.
So jesus was called by jesus and he did not go up to the jerusalem apostles to go check on stuff. He says but I went away to arabia and returned once more to damascus. So what he teaches Is not just from jerusalem apostles.
He was in arabia for three years. Okay, good. That's distracting. It was not that I see movements. Okay uh. So I went away to arabia and returned once more to damascus so he. He said because it says in verse 18.
Then three years later went up to jerusalem to become acquainted with cephas. That's peter and stayed with him 15 days. So he didn't go out to meet the disciples. What he did was he was in arabia for and teaching for three years.
Now, I wonder why that is and I suspect that probably was because his reputation was so bad. That if he'd have gone straight into jerusalem who knows what it would have happened if they'd have believed him or not.
But he went away to arabia and was preaching and teaching to the churches there. And i'm sure the word would get back. This is the guy and if you go to I think it's in acts, uh. Act nine it says that 9 20 to 22.
Uh at 9 20 and immediately he began to proclaim jesus in the synagogues, but in 22 it says it was in damascus. So he was in that place and he was there for like three years preaching and teaching undoubtedly learning a lot as he was doing that.
And then he said three years after that he goes. I went to jerusalem to become acquainted with cephas and stayed with him 15 days. That's peter. But I did not see any other of the apostles except james the lord's brother.
Oh, man, you know the bible just gets in the way of a lot of stuff. Did mary have other children? Yes, matthew 1 25 joseph kept her a virgin. Until they were married. What do you think that means. And uh the lord's brother.
And then they'll do the word brother there can mean all kinds of stuff. Yeah, whatever. Verse 20 now in what i'm writing to you. I assure you before god that I am not lying. Then I went to the regions of syria and cilicia.
I was still unknown by sight to the churches of judea which were in christ but only. Uh, they kept hearing he who once persecuted us has now preached in the faith. Which was once he once he tried to destroy that's why I think it was in in Galatia area for a while or damascus area.
Because I think it took time for that to come back down and filter through and you know, is this guy really changed? You know, you got to find out let's see the evidence. I think that's what it was for among other things.
I think it's just you know killing a lot of birds with one stone and uh. So in action 921. All those were hearing him continued to be amazed and were saying is this not he was in jerusalem destroyed those who called on his name.
And who had come here the purpose of bringing them bound before the chief priest. Destroyed those who call on it. He was he's bad. And he says and they were glorifying god because of me not because of how great he is.
But because look what god's mercy had done and he had changed this this murderous, uh antichrist. Into one of the greatest advocates of the christian gospel. That that's it's awesome. That is awesome.
Well, that's galatians one. Quick and slick. All right. Hey, let's see if canadian catholic. I mean not canadian catholic but uh, jonathan is in here. Come on, jonathan. So, uh, I know this was kind of a a quick study and that's okay because it's more intro.
We're going to get into some more stuff later. Calvin thought that until did not necessarily imply loss of virginity. So did luther, but I don't care what calvin and luther thought. Canadian catholic we call them cc.
I don't care what they they thought I care what the scriptures teach. He kept her a virgin until they were married. What do you think that means? You know, it means he continued to keep her a virgin. Until.
Until the wedding night. No, no after what. Yeah, uh. Do you think oh, I think he bounced. Okay. Marlene. Yeah, I think he he's you know, he's sitting there going. That was a close one. I almost had to back up what I was saying.
Now canadian catholic can Try he's not Rude he's mostly a good guy. All right. So if you guys have comments or questions now's your time and uh Catholic jonathan is resting tagged his brother catholic canadian to take over.
So this is what i'm going to do i'm going to Can't post comments to some distinctions. I'm going to put the people want to come in. Let's see how this is going to work. And i'm going to put this in to see if people want to come in and have a little dialogue.
You can ask questions. Just type that in your browser. You'll be able to come right in i'll have to grant you access. And uh, you can come on in and we can blab, okay, it's not a big deal not hard to do.
All right. Okay, yes. All right. So you got any questions? Thanks matt and nick and all hey, he spelled your name, right? Okay. Thanks brother. Matt. Nina. Uh, so it was. I know it was simple. We're gonna get in some other stuff.
We did a whole chapter today. But we're gonna get into some stuff and it's gonna slow the way down and we'll get into some some things and some issues. All right, I don't see anybody coming in. I think they're afraid.
We have a question. Oh you want you down front? So you you uh read uh, john 15 26 and talking about uh, holy spirit. Is it uh wrong to worship the holy. No. We can worship god and he is completely and fully Divine and god if we're to say we're not to worship him.
We're saying he's separate from the godhead somehow and not worthy of the same honor because he shares the ontological essence. That's uncovered. It sucks humbly. There's more specific questions so we can worship the holy spirit.
We can speak to the holy spirit. We can fellowship with the holy spirit. So fellowship koinonia in greek is something that uh, we don't do like you and I the more we're together we have more fellowship.
So, you know if you and I went fishing and it's all we did we just hang out for a couple hours. We'd have even more fellowship. Unless you got bigger bass than me, then that'd be an issue, but I probably would deal with it.
Okay. And so fellowship means that there's a reciprocity of giving and taking communication. Yes. No me and all this stuff. And in second corinthians 13 14, it says our fellowship is with god with the father and with the holy spirit.
So you can't have fellowship with someone you don't spend time with and communicate with that. By necessity means prayer. And so it says god is faithful through whom we're called into fellowship with the son of christ.
Jesus. That's first corinthians 1 9. And yet our fellowship is also with the father because you can go to john 1. First john 1 and just read the chapter and there's uh, the trinitarian essence. Trinitarian members are are listed there as well.
Not as blatant as you might think though because it's a fellowship. This is what is interesting. I'm reminded of this that when anik's brother and I years and years and years ago. We all lived in california.
Uh, he and I flew up to do a job in spokane, washington and we're assembling some stuff and uh. And we had a part that was wrong, but whatever and we're in this factory big big area. We knew that there was a guy uh.
It was a guy who could fix a part. It wasn't much it just needed a couple drills and a couple of bends and you know, whatever. But we needed a guy who could do that. And so we went looking. I still remember this.
We're walking around and uh, ken is his name and I are walking and ken's ahead of me. We're just looking for this guy because someone said yeah over here go down three doors left and go over there in that area, you know.
We're in the right area and there was this plate glass window and there was a room and there was a guy standing behind. That glass in this room working on something. I looked at him and he looked at me because you know movement you look at each other and I felt a connection.
I mean it was so strong. That I was like, what was that? Seriously, I still remember it. I still remember he looked at me. I looked at him and I just felt something. What was that? I didn't know. And so we kept looking for this this one guy this other guy and we came back around turns out that was the guy.
And we're talking to him. And I didn't say anything and I look around I see if I remember correctly a bible. On his desk. I went are you a christian? He said yep. And I looked at him and he's looking at me and I said did you he goes?
Yeah. There was something he goes. Yep. He felt it too and it was because we're christians. And didn't know I remembered that so profoundly. And I believe it was the movement of the spirit and recognition of what of who he was fellowship is we can have fellowship here.
Two atheists could have fellowship but fellowship in the christian sense is in a sense a trinitarian because it's it's Horizontal and it's you to him and me to him and him to us and back and forth. So there's a vertical and horizontal aspect to it uh.
And so i'll answer that melissa, we'll just open up to wide open questions if you guys want. Oh, there's roman. There's canadian catholic. Sorry about that, dude. There we go. No worries. Hold on. Hold on.
Let me yeah put my Okay, say something. Hi. Okay, wait a minute. Hold on. I gotta turn this down. That's fine and turn this up.
How are you man, how are you doing. It's been so long a sec I haven't seen you in one day. Which I forgot to do.
And now i'll go this way. Oh, can you hear me? Yeah, I can. Yeah, and we can't hear him. Because he's got that feed from the microphone on. And if I put a speaker on that it probably would work, but that won't work.
So i'll have to do it here. So what i'm gonna do. I'm gonna figure this out. Because we're gonna get a feedback issue. Okay. Well anyways, what are you gonna say?
Well, I mean, uh, I haven't seen you in so long. It's been a day. Oh, yeah, it's because of feedback. Okay, say something. Hi. That's fine. I was like in here for maybe like 10 minutes because I have to go.
I can't hear you hardly hardly Once you type your stuff in the text. Oh, sure. Oh, sure. I gotta get a better setup for this. Next time what I should do is do is Here here I could take that Off of there and go through here.
Let me try this right here. Can you hear me?
I can't hear you, but that's fine. I'll make my argument and then you can switch it. I'm sure you can hear me. That's fine. Uh, i'll just say something and then uh you switch to yourself. Yeah, so what I was told that um, you made the argument that Matthew.
One I believe. Can you hear me? Not if you can okay. So I believe somebody said that or I heard from you that Matthew one teaches that mary was a perpetual virgin. Mary Couldn't have been a virgin. Because it mentions the word entail implying that she was a not a virgin after that and I just want to say.
One is that john calvin didn't interpret it that way and that's interesting and neither did luther and that's fine people will say I don't care about what luther said or what calvin said. That's interesting because daniel 121 mentions that daniel remained, uh in babylon until the first year of king cyrus and norman geisler and everybody else understands this first.
Mean that he stayed there until including afterwards uh. Second samuel 6 23 teaches that michael had no children until the day of her death. Uh that doesn't teach that she had them after the day of her death.
Um, there is so many others. Where can I look? I had a couple here. Oh, there it is. Uh, the famous psalm mentions that uh, jesus had to sit at the well. As jesus understand it to the right hand of god until his um Enemies were put to death.
So I would cite with john calvin martin luther and norman geisler on this one uh, norman geisler though vicariously. And uh say that until is ambiguous or at least suggestive at best and does not definitively teach that mary should have had children.
That's all I wanted to say. I can't hear you. No. You can shut me up now. I don't have much more to say. I have to go do a show now in like 15 minutes. Nope. No, I can't read your lips.
I can't read your lips. What isn't that? Okay. Yes, your response is typical. What they'll do is they'll take the meaning of the word until in different contexts and say see over there. It means this and so right here it means that also.
But you got to always remember that the word means what it means in context. So I know you're not married cc, right? And I would assume if some woman were to lower her standards severely and date you and then somehow Uh when you ask her to marry you.
That somehow something's wrong with her. This is like my wife with me that she would agree. All right. And of course you're being a good catholic. You're not going to fool around, right? Until you get married, right?
So you're going to keep her a virgin until the wedding night, right? And what does that mean? That means you're gonna on the wedding night. So in the context of keeping her a virgin until they were married Obviously, we know what it means.
So I don't care what calvin said. I don't care what luther said I I the text says what it says. I don't have any problem with her being a perpetual virgin I don't. I don't care doesn't mean anything to me, but it says he kept her virgin until.
Okay, so you can't say that until over here means that over here means that over here means that let's take the meaning and transfer It over to here. Yeah. Nope. You just said you'd keep your fiance if you're married gonna get married a virgin until your wedding night.
That's what's going on there. And we know so you by your own admission meant my position is right again. Well met is always right what. Wait, wait, wait what let's see if you can get him to say something here.
This okay. Try it again. Matt is always right. We all know that. What what. Matt matt is always right?
That's right, see we. We've noticed that our. How long. We've noticed that our years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so we. It's easy. Yeah, I can hear you. So anyway, that's. We can there's different ways to set these things up and people come in and figure it out.
I'll just make one quick point one quick point before that. I think is a super thought. Sorry.
Let's go. You said he's got plans. Then why are you still here. Who me.
Come on there it is. Turn you down. Yeah, can you guys hear me? Yes. Yeah. Yes. I just want to make one quick point. How about you mute your microphone when i'm talking in that way you don't see that.
That's better. That's better. It's better. Yeah, that's better.
So here's one point. Yeah, I can hear you.
Okay, there you go matt is fooling around now he said he wouldn't. So just one point I wanted to make and i'm gonna leave this is i'm just gonna explain one is uh The until there is important not because of marriage.
But because to make sure that she was a virgin up until jesus was born to make sure that there is no way she was Violent or anything. So that's the point the point is up until the time jesus was born.
There was no human interaction. That's the point there the point isn't about her status afterward. But up until that's the key the more important part Of course is why it's been important to safeguard virginity is because paul teaches that model human beings.
Are those who suppress their lusts, uh completely in fact in first corinthians. And i'm free to admit that uh, perpetual virginity is not explicitly taught in the bible. But in first corinthians paul teaches an interesting doctrine, which is that people most devoted to god Uh are those and the preferable stance of those is to not marry in fact paul permits marriage in first corinthians only.
So that lust doesn't consume people and this is why it was important for the church to make sure because it's long been assumed that the mother of god uh would have to be A model human being for everybody to follow and I mean even protestants believe that.
Uh, I mean protestants have historically held to that. So that's that was the view. Yeah, I have to go now. So i'll be happy to let met respond, but I have to go. Go ahead. So.
Let me turn this down so you're saying that uh. Somehow sex is immoral or not, right or an impurity that she had to be pure. That's an implication. But uh, the issue is it says He kept her virgin until their wedding night.
That's what's going on. That's what it's not a wedding night. Not a wedding night. It is what it says you said yourself. You'd keep your fiancee a virgin until you got married. They kept her virgin until they were married.
It's a simple. Just go with that. You don't have to do the mary, you know, theotokos thing. And then the merry worship and adoration and stuff like that. It's just you know, you don't need that. Okay, you know full of grace.
Which is not what it says. Anyway, I thought you had to go though celibacy something celebrated. So. So what partisan warrior humbled clay? Jonathan cracker. All right, jonathan. I'll see you later. You want to say something again?
No, I said god bless man. Hold on. Let me mute myself here. No, that's fine. I just said god bless matt. I'll see you later uh, and uh, well at least matt always admitted i'm polite, I love that because I've prized myself on my politeness and people recognize that finally.
All right. Yeah, take care. God bless. I have to go now. I have to do a show in like 10 minutes. All right. People.
Why are they what.
What mary. Mary was a vessel that god used. Why does she have to be?
Perfect to create jesus because because their logic is out of luke 128 that she's full of grace. And that's protictus and um. Paras caritas in the greek is full. Platy's caritas is grace platus caritas.
That's full of grace but uh. Highly favored words. Which means highly favored one but they the other false translations have said she's full of grace. Well and and um. And john 114 jesus is called is said to be full of grace.
Well, if he's full of grace and she's full of grace then he can't be centered. Except it says that stephen in act 6 8 was full of grace and he was stoned. So if the phrase full of grace means that you don't have sin in you then hockaman applies only to mary and i'll tell you why.
Because this is what I firmly believe because in the history of catholicism. As they were trying To convert pagans. There's a lot of ancestor worship. There was a lot of of uh of Goddess worship and they said we have someone you can respect a woman named mary.
And it just evolved into heresy. And so today like on a guy on the show today, he said I was too rude to him, but I don't agree um, he said is it okay to to do this sign of the cross and kneel before uh, Images bow before uh crosses.
And I said no don't do that. And he said well, why not? I said don't do that. And you don't want to get into the habit, this is the how it works. You don't want to get into the habit of Showing reverence to something other than god.
Because there's a rule. Absolute rule if you want to mess something up, you just need two things. Guaranteed it'll mess it up people and time with those two. Guaranteed you're gonna mess it up. And so people who don't trust the word of god and when the roman catholic church kept the bible away from the word of people.
Then they don't know what's going on and they listened To what the catholic church told them and the pagans would start venerating mary and then they'd come up with all new kinds of crap. And I can show you stuff.
I mean seriously we're just stop this and I just did on catholicism for a few weeks. Let me tell you Catholicism is so bankrupt so full of crap. So full of false teachings. It is so thoroughly corrupt.
People have no idea how bad it is. They have no idea how bad it really is. It is an antichrist apostate religion. And I mean antichrist. And the reason I say that is because it teaches a false gospel and it promotes idolatry flat out does so anyway people what they'll do is they.
They don't want just jesus. It's just jesus means you're not good enough. And predestination and election or election and predestination means god chose you not based on anything good in you. God chose you because of what he is who he is how good he is.
No, no, no, it's got to be because of my wisdom my ability my goodness. Nope. It's not. No, no. What's that you know. Yeah, that's right she should have been making him a sandwich. It's safe if she'd been making sandwiches.
But they didn't have bread so they couldn't make sandwiches. Because bread's a cooking thing there's nothing mentioned about bread but uh probably didn't happen. They were just eating every day all the fruits and veggies, which is better.
I'm a good diet. My wife says I've been on a diet for now for three weeks uh. Oh, that's right. Someone said at our church. We took the large cross down and put It to the back of the church and we removed the blonde haired blue-eyed caucasian surfer.
Jesus in a woman's nightgown. Yeah. Yeah, part of me just wants to start a church. I can start teaching and preaching. You know, it's like Let me just get there and have everybody do everything else. Let me get their preach.
Okay. Luther originally targeted the indulgences which ultimately led them back to the word let him back to the word. That's right. I had a catholic tell me that I should be thankful for them giving us the bible.
So here's the illustration here's the illustration so there's a car sitting out in your driveway and. Uh, it's got no engine in it and uh. But someone gave you this car and then your neighbor comes out and says hey i'll put an engine in the car.
Works and puts the engine in the car and says I gave you the car. That's. Okay, the old testament is that big the new testament's that big and they say we gave you the bible. You know the arrogance We our church.
Gave you the bible. This is like, you know, I just want to say would you stop being an arrogant jerk? Just stop. You know, it's what it is. God gave us the bible and you and the people of god just recognize what is true.
And I just forgot that bill. Chibutis is in and i'm not sure if chibutis is a type of margarita drink. Or if it's an anti-covid vaccine, but I haven't decided yet. So let me uh, let me put him up. If you want to say anything, you know mute myself over here.
Here.
I thought it was a mexican tequila, but maybe not. Can you hear me?
Yeah, I can't hear you matt. I hear you but it comes with the feedback. So go ahead and say something.
Anyway, I got a story to tell you a friend of mine Who was a police officer in stockton california? Had a bible study. And a catholic lady showed up for like six seven years. So I told him I go I go. Aren't you gonna tell her to repent from catholicism?
He goes no, I'll just give her time. So about two years ago, she just totally repented of catholicism. Roman catholicism and now she's um, her family disowns her Because of it. All right, you can hear me.
So i'm going to do a test. Okay.
There can you hear me? Yes. Can you hear me typing if you can hear me? Let me see. See if it works. Can you hear me? Yes, it works. So just by doing this I can. And then we can have people talk so it'll be good.
Um. Unless you know praise god that she heard the true gospel and not the false gospel of roman catholicism as I said in paragraph 2068 it says. The catholic catechism it says that you obtain salvation through faith baptism and the observance of the commandments.
And in paragraph 2070 it says that the ten commandments are an expression of the natural law. And then it says in paragraph 2036 That keeping the natural law is necessary for salvation. Well, if it's necessary for salvation that means there is no exception.
Because necessity means there's no exception. It's necessary for me to be a human being by breathing. If I stop breathing i'm going to die. Yeah, he's just scratching it's okay. Yeah, I just see him he's scratching.
Everything's good and uh. So if there's if it's necessary, it's not the case that it's not necessary. You can't say it's necessary mostly necessary. It's not what it says. It says it's necessary. And so this is what the roman catholic church is doing is by preaching a false gospel.
It preaches a false gospel. It preaches a false gospel. It does. Okay, uh.
Go ahead, uh bill. Yeah, they also say you have to maintain your salvation by keeping the commandments. So I asked catholics quote have you kept the commandments or not perfectly. Well, then you're not safe.
You have to keep the commandments.
You got that right you got that right. It's exactly correct. You have to keep the commandments to be saved and deuteronomy 27 26 Says curse the one who does not abide by all things written in the law to perform them And paul quotes that in galatians 3 10 which we're going to get into later Galatians is going to open up but galatians 3 10 He says curse is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the law to perform them.
So they wanted to do one little thing judaizers. They wanted to do one thing and that was circumcision. And so by doing that they were condemning themselves. Go ahead. Yeah, that's exactly.
But one quick question about paul, um being an apostle I know the judaizer kind of gave him a bad time. They wouldn't recognize he was an apostle so How would paul express that I seen jesus when there was no one around?
So that's one of the things being an apostle, right? You had to see I don't understand Paul being an apostle, okay. For one of the requirements to be a possible apostle don't you have to see jesus.
Yeah. He already was. He said that I have not seen the risen lord and that's in first corinthians 9 1. He already defended his apostleship. We went over that in the bible study. No, I know that I realize.
Okay, I believe. But.
The judy, I mean if you were just a non-goer, he goes. Well, no one's no one was there paul. How can we trust you? I'm saying this. How can we believe you? Do you understand? No, say it again. Do you understand that if no one saw him seeing jesus?
How can anyone trust he was telling the truth? Because I know the judy's is given with that.
Actually people did see the light if you go to action 9 it'll say that some heard. And there were witnesses who saw something dramatic happen. And so yeah, it there's witnesses to that. Go ahead. That's good.
That's that's all I need to switch just pull this in and out. Um, I gotta do a different thing if we're gonna have people come in i'll figure i'm gonna have to come in through I'll figure something out anyway, uh I know this is a short study.
No, we've often gone for two hours going through topics um. And that's fine. So anybody have any other comments or you want to? Add a question in there and if you have a question bill because I have it turned down so I can't hear you.
Uh, just type it in and then i'll know. Okay, just I didn't hear the word, right? There's different words a cool and and uh greek and another one I forgot which it is one means to just hear a sound but one means to hear with understanding.
And they didn't hear with understanding but they definitely heard something was going on yeah. So how many of you believe that jonathan talks. Defeated me every time we talk. How many believe that? Not me, you know, I love talking to him actually.
Good study tonight matt. Good. Thanks again. You're right. I mean praise god melissa. You got that right randall? No turning back vocab had a great discussion in eastern north on eastern orthodoxy. Just thought i'd throw it out there very similar roman catholicism.
Yeah, jonathan if you. If you can if you know where that is, send me the information. At info at carm .org and I can take a look and i'm i'm going to be in a debate in two days. Uh, what's underneath with an eastern orthodox guy on justification?
And I've you know, I understand how. Uh, i'm pretty much understand how eastern orthodox view of salvation is and what it is is works righteousness. Now say it's not but like a lot of things it's double talk.
No, it's just by the grace of god, then they have condign merit congruent merit. They have merit that god obligates himself to the believer god obligates himself to give merit to the unbeliever um. And so it's not that they've done anything.
He just under certain conditions. He obligates himself. He'll do reward you. Not that he not that he has to he just does it himself. So uh, just go to carm .org forward slash calendar and um. The information is there and when I get the url I should remember to put it up there.
Uh and update that it might not be until a half hour before or something like that. I don't know because it's not on my server setup. It's somebody else's. What do you mean that guy doesn't debate from what I can I can find who's the guy?
Ernie ray. What jonathan talks not necessarily because different people have been saying different things in the text but uh. Could be where can I find? Okay uh Plano costuras the debate will happen in two days.
That's right um. Let's see. Could not have paul had his experience. With being in the third heaven in arabia after damascus experience uh, it would depend because it looks like one of the arguments for his, uh, heavenly thing in second corinthians 12 2 through 4.
Is that when he was stoned and left outside the city for dead? They think that's probably when it happened, but no one knows for sure. So that's just one of the theories. So anybody else got anything type it in.
Ernie has what up. You know when you're debating oh the one debating, okay. Uh, i'm just bummed that I won't be able to be up mass debate is on sam schumann youtube channel. That's right. Why are people so focused on peter having gone to rome because they want to justify that the roman catholic church has authority.
And that peter the first pope was in rome. Rome is the head of the catholic church. They like the idea, but there's no evidence that he ever was in rome. And peter was a gentile to the jews. They missed that and peter.
I mean, uh, paul was a gentile the apostle to the gentiles. Peter was the apostle to the jews. So why is the successor of rome from peter. Who's going to the gentiles and not the jews asks matt Petrine supremacy over the apostles.
Yeah, they want that but they'll say in some instances the apostolic listing who has peter first. But in other ones it doesn't and so which one do they choose like the church fathers the one that we like.
Uh, that's why I was so curious. Ernie ray says prime Petrine primacy over the apostles. All right. Anybody else? That was that's why okay. I don't know I think dave's here kind of let down because he well, he likes the meat.
He likes the meat of stuff we'll see matt. I have a debate link up on the events on your karm page and matt slick. Oh, I think it is up. That link is already up there on my yeah, it is. I already have it.
Up there. It's already there on matt. I mean, uh, karm .org forward slash calendar, but thanks. What what's that. Last time you looked it was nothing. Let's see let's see karm .org forward slash calendar and There it is.
And uh, yep, august 20. Oh, that's august 24th and the 10th. Yeah. No, that's uh, 17th 7th. Yeah. Yeah matt slick versus seraphim cabane. Man is justified through faith alone by the imputed righteousness.
I affirm that I probably Will end up going first and then august 10th as trinity or the oneness. What is the biblical view of god? And then august 17th. My I'm supposed to do an inner be interviewed the scriptural understanding of god's nature and deity.
I'm gonna look for I look for that and then august 24th another debate one. Versus trinity don't know the exact topic is we're still working on it. That guy wants me to send his opening statement. My opening statement.
He wants to send me his opening statement. I don't know if I like that idea. I haven't decided yet I might give it to him and in the opening statement have a bunch of questions. He's got to answer. Because that's not going to do my debate on on saturday.
I got some questions. You know, I got some questions if it's true. I want to see all right. Hey bill, that's good luck if peter was the first pope. He's the only pope that taught justification by faith alone in christ alone.
Show me the verse for that um. Yeah, my church father can beat up your church father. That's right uh. Night night dear. Thanks matt. I'm going to night all okay marlene uh. The menu on your iphone on your phone for karm's Karma is not working at all.
It won't move or open anything on phone. Okay, then what you got to do is email webmaster at karm .org. The problem the kind of phone you're on. And what exactly you were doing and then they try and repeat that and see if there's a problem and they can solve it.
Okay. Okay. Peter would have been a horrible pope. Peter was the bishop of antioch not rome copy that. Okay. Good. Ernie says. Okay, this is private chat says. Okay, got that. All right. Well, you're tired, huh?
I was saved out of the east north of docks excited to hear the debate with eo guy. Need to click this. Yeah, i've learned about east north docks. They deny original sin imputation of adam's sin. They deny several things.
Lots of stuff that they deny. That need to click the plus symbol on the menu. All right. Let's see what happens on the phone. What. Let me hit the plus. My iphone karm calendar works fine. Good study matt.
Need to click the god bless brothers, you know now would be the time I could turn this up volume so everybody here could hear it and you guys could tell my wife how great I am. Oh, she's leaving. She's out of here.
She suddenly is oh, what's that she's got a pan she's puking into. You know, I get no respect. All right, let's see, I guess that's it. Nobody's got any more comments or questions you want to ask. From I know he's still east north of docks.
Um, and uh, yeah, he's he's bad. He's bad news. God bless brothers. Okay uh Jerry delta, you have a question. Okay. What's your question? Uh, why isn't it working? Why isn't what working. There's no plus mark on the phone.
It's the hamburger menu. Yeah, if it doesn't work turn your phone horizontal and vertical. And if it doesn't work just send out just webmaster at karm .org. Matt is great. Anik make him a sandwich. Matt is a legend in his own mind.
There you go Jonathan just like hearing your voice, uh is theosis biblical. No uh Matt rodney dangerfield slick no respect. That's right. I didn't get no respect. He's he's really good. Yeah theosis is the Eastern orthodox idea that that you could become more and more Divinized more and more divine but not that you're ontologically sharing in the nature of god and becoming divine but that you're Participating in his energies and therefore you're becoming more like christ and the more you are the more justified you are.
Yeah, it's it's yeah. Yeah, now here's a question for the eastern orthodox guys. Can't according to east orthodox theology now i've i've already got an answer, but i've read. But I have to have it verified more in one site in the eastern orthodox theology.
Can you be saved in the afterlife? Matt, we can we call you the great one. There you go bill. That's right. Great one. My wife won't call me that. He called me several names usually with one syllables.
And a couple of double syllables started with an m And end with an n. What? Bill been drinking kool-aid again matt. Can we call you the great one? That's right uh. That's what I was gonna say. Laura said which I don't know what that was.
Is god the author of evil? No, he's not. Okay, don't talk to the carmander like that. That's slick. See this my question isn't showing up. Yeah, it is. God's not the author of evil. Okay. All right. You're simple.
You spell correct. Oh spell correct. Okay, i'll spell correct c-o-r-r-e-c-t. People say to me can you say that again that that that. Once once i need so what is that? I said it's a demonstrative pronoun.
Why? What does it mean to be the author of evil? That's the question. That he's the one who initiated it caused it by his direct action and will. Okay, all right, it's slowly slowing down so we might as well get going.
Okay, i'm gonna give it one more minute and i'll shut it down unless something really important happens uh. All right, dad jokes. Love them. Uh, yeah dad jokes. Why did the arab take a piece of sandpaper with him into the desert?
He needed a map. Yeah, what's that a racist. But you know. Who cares everything's racist. Math is racist. My laptop's racist. I was reading on reform wiki that god is not the author of evil, but he is the ultimate cause that's right.
Let me explain it really quickly and then we'll go after this ultimate proximate and um uh efficient causation so god so adam and eve were in the garden and they uh, They sinned but no one made them sin.
So god is the ultimate cause of their sin and that he created the universe and put the earth there and put the garden there the proximate cause is god specifically allowed the devil to come in. And god put those trees there and said don't do that.
So god who set everything up. And yet it was adam who freely chose to rebel so he's not the efficient cause um. That adam is his own efficient cause of that sin. So he's the one responsible morally for that action.
All right. It's the ultimate cause. And if you guys want sometime I can talk about equal alt about ultimacy in the nature of god. Anything else. 30 seconds if you want. If you are white you are racist by default stupid ideologies for 1 000 Dollars.
God decrees all things all things that would Come to pass, but he never causes us to sin. Lots of mystery there. Daniel. That's correct. Ephesians 1 11. Karm videos. What say you about sda? Are they christian or not?
No, I would say no. Uh, if you can one day talk about the view on compatibilism and ultimate cause yeah, I could do that sometime. Maybe after another study, okay. All right, guys, i'm going to shut it down.
Nice talking to you guys. Have a good night. We'll talk to you guys later. God bless everybody. See ya.