July 25, 2017 Show with Mack Tomlinson on “Redeem Your Tongue” AND “Why We Sing to God”

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Speaking of Mac Tomlinson who is one of the pastors at Providence

Chapel in Denton, Texas.

And Today we are discussing two topics one each hour God willing

Redeem your tongue will be the first Topic of the day and then if we have time during

the second hour We will address why we sing to God.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron pastor Mac Tomlinson.

Hey, Chris, always a blessing to be with you and in studio with me.

Again is my co -host the Reverend buzz Taylor and it sounds like we got a couple good subjects again today.

Amen.

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Today you chose Two topics that we will be addressing.

The first as I said before is redeem your tongue.

If you could tell us what the catalyst was behind you're wanting to discuss

that our

speech.

The tongue.

No, man could poison and it

affects everything.

The Bible also says death and life are in the power of the tongue, which means our words

affect others either.

Months ago our church began to study do a book study on Paul

Cripps.

Yeah, which is a phenomenal book and

I had been noticing in recent years how much proverbs as

well as speak about the importance

recently

as I thought about it, so that That's led me to personally study this area

more.

See just how Biblically important.

Yeah.

In fact, I'd like to give a plug to an interview that I already have scheduled with Paul trip on

Tuesday, August 8th.

So make sure you mark your calendars for Tuesday, August 8th for the iron truffles iron broadcast featuring

Paul trip.

But this is a very timely topic as Many of us have sadly

witnessed The horrific treatment of a mutual friend of ours. Dr.

James R. White of Alpha and Omega ministries on the internet.

People who would agree with us at times Theologically on many things

but seem to think it is appropriate for them to.

While it is very Appropriate for Christians to disagree with one another when we think that there is a

biblical reason where we must either lovingly

rebuke someone or gently correct someone and even at times

sternly rebuke and chastise someone.

But there is a Crossing of the line in many cases that we have seen occurred where

people are actually publicly imputing Motives to dr. White and to

perhaps others that are involved in defending him where they

are using guesswork and using their gut instincts to vilify

him by proclaiming those gut instincts publicly.

Now, obviously there is nothing wrong with acting upon gut instincts in

certain circumstances and having Guesses about things at times, but when you publicly

identify an individual by name and you are Merely guessing about their motives

behind doing something and you are publicly declaring it as some kind of a fact.

Isn't that really? paramount to.

Ten amount to slander.

Well, absolutely, and you know this brings to mind

Something that's very sober and really Not only

the word is also speaking.

We use words maybe more today on social media than we do verbally.

But there's still words that are spoken and two scriptures come to mind that are very sobering to me.

One is in Matthew

every idol for that in the day of

judgment.

When you think about the implications of that It makes preachers or talk -show host or

bloggers it should make us all fearful and Sober minded

about how we use our words.

Especially and the second verse in a

lot of bed that comes to mind is where Paul said just why not?

Let no corroborate out of your mouth.

Well, that's a I mean that just kind of kills any any

inaccurate Unedifying speech.

Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth.

What is good or necessary edification?

In order that it may impart grace to the ear.

Seriously, we will give an account.

Amen, and the the example I was just giving involved our brother in Christ

James White who? has decades of evidence that he is a.

A.

Gifted man of God who has used his gifts to not only

proclaim truth, but expose error.

A man who has never Gotten wealthy or even anywhere remotely close to it

By using his gifts and traveling across the globe to not only speak at conferences in

areas like Ukraine and others where there is not actually a

Massive number of people who are thoroughly trained in the doctrines of grace and in theology

in general and very often it is Not only without pay but at cost

to him personally, but that is one thing.

But there are even Christians out there and I've noticed during this whole episode who seem

to think that it is appropriate to To

Exaggerate facts, which is still slander.

When you're talking about somebody like Muslims or when you're talking about unbelievers I actually had someone in

response to me saying That you are not to bear false witness Against your

neighbor no matter who your neighbor is.

Your neighbor doesn't have to be Christian for that command to apply.

In fact, I even said that if you are a witness in a murder trial and

you stand or or sitting in the witness seat and

You testify That that you saw the accused of murdering three

people.

When in reality you only saw him murder two people even though the man's a murderer.

You're still bearing false witness against that person that that is even inexcusable.

You can't exaggerate the truths against anyone and I actually had somebody respond to me and say to me

Muslims are not my neighbors.

So this is this is something that we as Christians we have to obey this commandment no matter who

we're talking about.

Isn't that true.

Absolutely

redeemed

sanctified.

It's

amazing.

Yes, and.

Would you say that one of the reasons it is so hard

to tame the tongue.

One of the one of the biblical texts where we read about

Our speech is in the gospel of Luke chapter 6 verse 45.

The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth What is good and the evil man

out of the evil treasure brings forth?

What is evil for his mouth speaks from that which which fills his heart?

It's like something that We very often if we are especially if we are not properly

disciplined when we think of something it just pops right out

of our mouth just like flows out and Sometimes it's to our embarrassment and if it's

something simple it should be embarrassing to us and hopefully will help teach us a lesson and help tame our

tongue, but Is it could that be one of the reasons that it's so hard to tame the tongue?

And we

have

a listener

in San Jose,

California,

his name

is

Daniel

and

he says.

Hello brother, the tongue can be used to tear down which we need to be mindful of but should we be

also as mindful of The way we word things namely when a

monash admonishing one another.

I Love singing theology Phil's.

Oh, I think that he is giving me two questions for the two hours here.

So there's the first question.

The tongue can be used to tear down which we need to be mindful of but should we be also as mindful

of when we Word things namely when we admonish one another or when we're admonishing

one another.

We absolutely sure and that's what Paul somewhat is getting to in in

Ephesians for when he says we should not have corrupt words that he is

unedifying not Unhelpful words.

We can speak to someone truth.

But we can say it in

almost attacking or judgmental.

And so how do we

say for it?

This is why some at the end of Psalm 19 David said let the words of my mouth and

The meditations of my heart be acceptable in that side.

Oh Lord.

So our listener is right.

It's very important how we address something.

We could rebuke someone since

their motive and one way we do it.

Well alienate them hurt them make them feel attack and a wiser better

way that we do it Will cause them to know.

So yes, that's exactly right.

Thank you, Daniel.

And San Jose, California.

Keep listening to iron sharpens iron and spreading the word in California and beyond.

We have Gordy in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania.

Who says what practical advice would you give to someone seeking to be a better listener and not

so quick to Shoot from the hip so to speak.

That's a great question.

Thinking

About our applause, you

know, the

Bible tells us and there is a

real ministry to listening.

Because if someone's hurting if someone's struggling if someone is being was

a true art of listening to them and

Hearing them and not quick answers or quick

Solutions that can minister to them more than anything else, especially on the front.

I think the we have to discipline

ourselves when we enter a conversation.

We have to tell ourselves I am NOT going to interrupt.

I'm gonna consciously make sure I'm listening.

And I'm gonna I want them to know I'm listening by maintaining eye contact and being engaged

giving them my full attention.

That's what I have learned by God's grace to try to do.

He is right.

Yeah, and I have to be constantly on guard of that Because of the

fact I'm doing a talk show every day and I'm not saying that I've mastered it perfectly But I think that I have

become known for at least according to my guests who write back to me I've become known as someone

that lets my guests speak Thoroughly and make their points.

I'm not saying that to pat myself on the back, but it has grieved me watching other

talk show hosts who can't constantly jump in in the middle of sentences and try to

dominate a Conversation what their motivations are.

I don't know sometimes it seems evident that they are trying to Look

as these one with superior knowledge or whatever the case is.

But you see that a lot on television, especially on some of these political Talk news

programs, but if I have a guest on my program, I am considering that person the expert so I'm

gonna try to Let them speak as as much as they

can without going into a Area where we're just totally

listening to a speech or a monologue, but This that whole area of

listening Job's friends quote quote could have learned a lot from that lesson.

Couldn't they they they were Too quick to speak to him and really not.

They're just as listeners and compassionate friends were there.

Well, that's true.

But you know, sometimes I've defended his friends

in a way three hours into

it.

They remain silent for a week that's amazing to me and then it went south from there.

I'm not not everything they said was false either.

But it sometimes it's the way and the timing of saying even a truthful thing.

That could be Damaging to a conversation because

the manner in which you even proclaim truth can be done self -righteously or Purposely to hurt someone

rather than to edify them or correct them or encourage them or comfort them.

Yes, you know, here's a couple we do

not read.

What shame a Christian

should feel When we spoil our example in our testimony by speaking foolishly

our words.

Someone said the tone and language of our conversation as a Christian

gives us a fair, you know.

There's another there's another things.

It's quite striking.

He said by your words, you will be justified and by your word to be condemned.

What in the world does it mean by words will be justified?

We're justified by faith the word just

when he said our

words will be justified our words that we speak

regularly Declare about us.

What is a the evidence that we're just a

true believer or the evidence that we're not.

You can listen to people in the world

strangers and You know, maybe they're they are speaking for five minutes

and every other word

Betrays the fact that they don't know God.

It's just a fruit.

It's an evidence.

So our words in my words, we are

amen as far as Gordy's question about specifically practical.

Advice.

Obviously reading the scriptures and studying them in these areas is going to be a

Automatic thing that a Christian should do but is there any other?

Practical steps.

I mean something pops into my mind that may begin in a person's life as

something that sounds Artificial or stilted but isn't it possible that you may have to begin

sometimes especially when you're having a convo.

Conversation.

When you know, you're going to be disagreeing Disagreeing with somebody by actually saying to them.

Can you please let me know when you're finished with your point?

Because I want to make sure I'm hearing everything you're saying accurately before I jump in here.

Without saying it sarcastically, you want to let me know when you're finished, you know, that kind of thing.

But if you're saying it with Gentleness and

When you're saying it meaningfully Couldn't it be at least some beginning into learning how

to listen more than speaking when you're having a conversation.

Absolutely a Christian should apply courtesy

in every situation and So

especially if we see that we have a problem with not listening or interrupting others

We must train ourselves in a way Paul told Timothy discipline yourself for

the purpose of godliness.

Discipline yourself for the purpose of good communication.

So if I Conversation with someone and I know you

know, it's a planned visit.

Or a spontaneous one just remind myself

yourself.

Listen only until you know they're finished full

attention speak will come and So

that's that's the most practical advice that I could give.

We must learn to make ourselves Be good listeners, but the more

we learn to do it The more of

a habit it will be if someone we just disagrees with us.

At the end of the conversation if they see that we were respect listen,

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This is Chris Orrins and if you just tuned us in our guest today is pastor Mac Tomlinson of

Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas.

He's also an author and today we are discussing two different topics.

The first topic we are addressing right now is redeem your tongue and then God willing we will

Enter into a second topic in the second hour why we sing to God.

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We have a listener in Slovenia Joe Who says dear brother Chris

today's topic of redeeming the tongue is precisely what makes your show so appealing in my experience.

General generally speaking our society both within and without the church has become almost

incapable of meaningful and worthwhile conversation.

Sadly the vast majority of interaction is limited to either silly and surface in

consequentials or off the church off the charts visceral and

personal attacks.

There seems to be little to no willingness or ability to for robust yet respectful dialogue on

meaningfully and weighty topics That are vitally important and relevant even among Christians.

Is this yet another sign that we are in desperate need of genuine revival?

Where were things different before the advent of social social media?

What are practical things we can do we can all do to improve the situation?

Thanks for just being different from the norm that's Joe in Slovenia and if you could respond

then of social media kind of

a bubble a private bubble a private setting which is really thought

that they.

Would they say things they would never say?

Relationship is

plague and it's it's simply because There's no fear of God.

Before there are there's no fear of God in the nation.

There's no fear of God among many professing Christians and so they have no.

It doesn't even cross their mind That they're going to give a count forward their words.

It doesn't cross their mind that their words on

He's right.

It's just I Believe the problem we don't expect an

unregenerate society that the fear of God.

I must glorify God and fear God.

If not only in relation to my conduct, but how I speak.

Because I am given going to give an account.

And so to me that's that lies at the heart of the issue.

Yes, and even though obviously.

Slander and gossip and misuse of the tongue have gone on since Humans

have walked the earth.

That's why we have commands against it in the scripture.

Social media has definitely made it very easy a lot easier because as you said people have

keyboard muscles Where they can say anything? without fear of

impunity without fear of any kind of serious ramifications on their lives, whereas a

newspaper or magazine journalist might have Received

the negative consequences and ramifications of either being sued or fired.

People just say things as they please whether they're true or not on the Internet and people view it as something that's true it's just really

a.

And then the speed at which that is done and communicated globally is unprecedented.

You know Chris.

Yes.

It's

really

amazing when

you how much it talked about it in the Psalms and

especially in Proverbs.

So one of the big things the word to

the righteous and

just Solomon gives

us in 13 a gossip reveals secrets.

But he who is of faith feels a matter

Lying lips or an abomination to the

Lord, but

those who deal

truth.

I could go on

2911 but a wise

person counted wise when he holds his peace.

When he shuts his lips, he is considered wise.

Well, that's just words about the wicked the words of the wicked.

There are many verses in Proverbs about the work of

the righteous is of one who has understanding and

the lips of the

right one verse says

do not answer.

Answer of the

one verse tells us

the next verse is mouthing all or

saying

what's wrong

with wisdom.

Years ago I was preaching every Sunday in a nursing home in Dallas.

Every Sunday, I would walk in the front door every Sunday afternoon and there was a No,

all preachers are

hypocrites.

Billy Graham.

He's the big and I never

replied back.

I Didn't know what to say.

I didn't want to argue with you week.

I would invite him every week.

It was the same reply a couple of months into it

one Sunday.

I invited him and he said the same thing.

You know Billy Graham's a big hypocrite and I

Immediately I had this reply come to me for the first time.

I looked at him and I said sir if you would Get a right attitude toward Billy

Graham.

And if you would pray for him, he might do a lot better.

And looked up at me with big eyes and he said touche Preacher touche

finally had an answer that he couldn't reply to and you know,

I was in Canada recently.

Someone told

me greatest

Evangelical Christians and evangelical Chris

think about it.

The tongues and the words bearing down

others, especially the church and especially God's people.

The Christian today to live in a fallen world means That we

are in an arena and it makes it all the more

important for us to be careful with our own.

Amen.

We have a listener that must know you Pastor Mac Donna and Waterboro,

Maine says pastor Mac.

First of all Sorry for my always interrupting you time and time again.

You are so gracious to always gently ask me to let you finish what you are saying.

You truly model what you are preaching and I have learned so much from you.

My question is if the scripture in the scripture It speaks clearly to not let any

any unwholesome speech come out of your mouth.

It talks about coarse jesting obscene talk, etc.

I Have heard Christians use Language, which to me is swearing, but they say that in

this day and age It's no longer considered a swear that culture defines the

definitions now.

Times change and so do words and their meanings.

Can we truly say this should we.

What is the scripture really?

Teaching in those passages.

Well the culture Certainly cannot change the

meaning of words for us because words mean something words have truth in them

and Even though.

But we cannot let the

coast and really I think it's a

smokescreen if someone Uses a curse word whether

hell or day.

They have begun to believe and they if they justify it, they're believing.

It's okay because everybody does it and nobody thinks anything about it.

It's mold is Romans 12 and so but

Only the scriptures must say things and I

practice.

Yeah, it's a very good question and it's very important.

And it's easy for believers to compromise on these issues.

If we don't have the script Unchanging standard, you

know, there's an old Martin Lloyd -Jones has a book.

I think it's entitled truth unchanged unchanging and

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One of the things of pastor Mac don't you think that there are Too many people and

even Christians who think that gossip rumors

slanders things like that.

Yeah, that's probably not Gentile and the the polite thing to do but yeah,

it might be some kind of a sin, but it's really not that bad.

Don't they forget what?

They appear to forget what Jesus said in Matthew 15

starting at verse 18.

But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart and those defile the man for out of

the heart come evil thoughts murders adulteries fornications thefts

false witness slanders.

These are the things which defile the man but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the

man.

I mean the the sin of bearing false witness and slander are Listed amongst the

worst things that a person could do.

Well, that's really so

it's wrong.

First of

all, if

we're not

we don't need

to be repeating that problem.

Only people that are going to be a part

Situation for instance if we if someone in our church

in danger.

We should only repeat

it help them a pastor a parent.

But we shouldn't go to others tell them what we know about a situation.

Because those people and they will probably so

that's that's how it

spreads

is multiplied.

Obviously, this is how things go viral on social media.

Yeah, it's just.

Again, it gets back to not walking and living

in the fear of God.

So they don't have they don't have any sense of a soberness about

Repeating something but all the time in the Bible every

amen.

Let me say something here.

Well, but JC Ryle the British 19th -century

Pastor he said our words Are the

evidence if we gossip we

have a critic.

He said our words are the evidence of the state of our hearts as surely as the taste of water is an evidence of

extreme.

So think about this a tender heart will have tender words a kind heart.

Judgmental heart will have judgmental one.

Impatient heart will speak to children impatiently and.

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just it's bodily important for believers.

Amen and we have to go to our Midway break right now and we will be transitioning to a new discussion

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with our guest Mac Tomlinson.

This is the second topic.

We intend to address today and past pastor Mac if you could

Let our listeners know why is it that this?

Subject seemed to be so important that you wanted to discuss it

today the topic of the first hour is

not because The Bible

commands of God, you

know, I became a

Christian in 1970 in my teenage years and I

Dreaded the singing it was so bad.

It was so and I never enjoyed it, but when I became a

Christian and I came to Jesus Christ The truth that I would hear in church

in the songs and the hymns Was made very real to me and I soon became

one who loved Singing in church and singing as a Christian and I've

never stopped loving Singing.

The more I began to read the Bible and study the Bible the more I began to see How

important this subject is in the scripture.

It's huge.

It's it's massive.

I mean you can read through the three times

or more where the psalmist is Commending us sing

to the Lord.

Singing is a method doing that directly

and the Bible tells us that it that God

had had this faith a

Singing faith that we're wired as human

kind of God we have.

God is so beautiful and valuable in his perfections that to leave out the

emotional component.

And not let it spill over in song is to leave out a key element in worship

truly worship in church.

It's become a philip a ritual where we

don't actually Engage our minds and our wills and our hearts to

sing to God as an act of worship.

When we sing and I have to confess I have to confess that.

Although that I hope that is not the regular habit of my life I can say that I

do slip into that sin more often than I care to admit.

You have a lot of things that are running through your mind about what occurred before church or what's going to occur

after church.

You may have been having trials in some way in your life your mind drifts and you find yourself just

In a robotic fashion just following everybody else and singing.

And that can be an easy sin to fall into.

Can it.

It

certainly

can

but

they

see the

value

and

important

their

heart.

And you

know.

Is there something that I that I have thought about a lot?

Lately, especially and I don't know if the scriptures ever address this phenomenon I

don't know if there's something scientific.

Hello.

Are you there pastor Mac?

We just lost are you there?

Okay, I just heard a loud slam.

Anyway, I Don't know if there's something scientific about this.

I'm assuming that there would be but isn't it interesting.

When you have especially a large group of people Singing that

room could be filled with untrained People in regard to music

and singing in fact, in fact, it could be filled with people many of whom have horrible voices.

But for some reason when they are all combined together, especially in the larger groups in

Churches The it becomes this beautiful sound isn't that some interesting phenomenon?

I'm assuming that you have noticed that yourself.

Yeah, isn't it very important even if your church believes in the

inclusion of special music in the inclusion of choirs an

occasional Praise band or something like that.

I know that there is a disagreement and amongst The body those in the body of Christ

over those issues you have some who have a stricter understanding of the regular regulative principle that would not

permit a choir or a band doing performances in a worship service,

they would strictly adhere to Congregational singing exclusively, but isn't it true that no

matter what side you're on on that in that debate that Congregational singing is a is a vital

aspect of the worship service.

That is far more important and far more clearly biblical than special performances

by solo artists or choirs.

Absolutely, I think if every

believe we have a hard

thing better and the worship would be more God -centered.

But often and it's just because we've learned to be this

Christians in church system about it.

I've actually seen Christians in Church,

they'll look at the him, but they don't sing they don't enter in and.

This is bad.

I'm tone -deaf.

Oh, it'll bother the one next to me.

And so they lay out they don't sing and really it's just wrong.

I'm to him and.

And

think about.

We should not sing as a dead ritual.

Just to get through that part of the service do not get used to

sing.

You should not just mouth the word with our minds

and our hearts.

We should not just go through the motions.

We should freshness

focus of our minds.

We should sing deliberately consciously intentionally.

We should sing fervently

when you read the hymns

of the great hymn writers

of the reality or in those

hymns John Wesley said this about singing

spiritually.

That he is have an eye to God and aim to please him.

More than yourself in your singing or more than anyone else.

Then your singing will be such as will glorify God to

him.

You know, we're gonna go to our final break and what I'm gonna do right now pastor Mac Is I'm going to

forward you one of the questions from our listeners So that you could have time to think about

it over the break and that is the second question

from A listener who asked a question during the first hour.

Daniel from San Jose, California.

He is asking now a question on singing and it relates to something that you just said actually.

And I'll email you the question so that you could respond when we return, but I'll also read it right now.

So our listeners can have benefit of hearing the question and perhaps think it about it themselves.

The question is I Love singing theology filled songs of praise and

worship.

Although there are times when I just want to sit back and hear my brothers and sisters

Pour out their heart to our God.

Would I be robbing myself of a sense of worship when I do not engage in singing in?

Order to hear others and I'll have you answer that when we return and I'm assuming Daniel in San Jose, California.

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entire worship service.

I'm guessing that.

But we will have you respond when we return if anybody else would like to join us on the air.

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This is Chris Arns and if you just tuned us in for the next 26 minutes or so, we

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Mac Tomlinson of Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas.

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heard from as you know, Pastor Mac from Daniel in San Jose, California.

Before the break I read the question.

I'll read it again.

I love singing theology filled songs of praise and worship.

Although there are times when I just want to sit back and hear my brothers and sisters pour out their hearts to God.

Would I be robbing myself of a sense of worship when I do not engage in?

Singing in order to hear others.

And by the way, Daniel sent a follow -up email clarifying this he says.

Sorry, I did not specify.

Yes, I meant from time to time not regularly and that also gives us pause

not to Judge our brothers and sisters if we happen to a glance at them and they're not singing perhaps

they are just enjoying the worship of the Worshiping conducted by their brothers and sisters,

but what is your response?

Yeah, I would agree with him of the

congregation and Said you know

half of the song and just listen and soak

it in.

So I agree with him there are times that I but

you know, we can be edified just by hearing.

Absolutely.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken Just recently somebody in a message either in a

church or a conference quoted And I may be wrong, but I'm almost certain it was Martin

Luther who had the same kind of advice, especially toward those who? are

going through a season of depression or Sadness or sickness that it would be a

very appropriate for them to just Drink in what's happening around them during a worship

service and listen to the Saints singing to lift your spirits.

Oh, yeah, definitely.

The hour the hour that he was martyred in Germany.

The hour before he went out to the gallows and

they were singing

out and they were

martyred but Bonhoeffer said something about that very thing and it was this singing and

Godly music purify your heart

and in times of sorrow We'll keep the fountain of joy alive in you.

We cannot underestimate the influence in the good

of Godly music and singing and we cannot underestimate the evil

of bad music and evil singing.

So brothers we

were doing some conferences and we drove 10 hours from Romania up into Ukraine

and we had some hymn books in the van and At one point someone

just said well, let's sing let's sing some hymns.

We started singing him after him song after

more we saying like it was just a moment where

God's presence was real

encouragement and I

don't remember how long about a moment

or singing.

You know, sometimes believers are embarrassed to sing with one another and we shouldn't be

when we we have our grandchildren often with us in morning worship and

just this morning a

Chapter of Scripture and we began the time with us when

we ended the time of family and our youngest

grand and he knows almost

all the two -year -old

through singing

this is an honors and

was a believer and thirdly,

well one thing

that I.

Immediately.

And Getting rebuked for by this conversation is that I have to

definitely remember that I always always Remember to bring my reading glasses to church.

Because sometimes I find myself unable to sing the hymns because I just can't read them

and it shows you how the effects of age are negatively

thwarting my my Christian ability to worship.

But.

We have Benjamin in Dublin, Ireland.

Who says can you point to any instructions in the New Testament given by our Lord or his apostles?

Where we are to sing uninspired hymns spiritual songs or

psalms individually or Congregationally.

The Apostle the Apostles Ever wrote.

I think he perhaps meant never wrote.

The Apostles never wrote a single song or gave Instructions to do so.

We are commanded to sing from the Psalter Which Jesus and the Apostles sang and quoted

from.

Okay.

He made an assumption there that that's all that the Lord and

his Apostles were singing.

But if you could respond to our friend Benjamin in Dublin, Ireland's Question

slash comment.

Responsibly

do

not.

That's

right.

Yes, I'm

assuming that our.

Exclusive.

Psalm singing brethren would say that the verse Commanding that we sing psalms hymns and

spiritual songs would say say that those are three different categories of psalms.

I'm assuming.

Well, I'm not sure how he was the words

themselves in the original language I've

also heard.

That there are portions of the New Testament that are believed by many biblical scholars

to be songs or at least a couple that were a couple of

verses that were in the New Testament that were originally intended by the human authors to be

A song.

Have you heard this?

Yes, well, of course, obviously.

Yeah, and

I've

heard.

Colossians chapter 115 through 21st Timothy 316 and in Hebrews

1 and 1st Peter 2 that there may have been sung at least by

the early Christians, but One other thing is that when you are involved in

exclusive psalm singing you can never Sing the name of Jesus and praise

to him.

I understand that Jesus existed as the second person of the Trinity in the Psalms and in the Old Covenant

He never had a beginning but by name I'm speaking of specifically.

You can't.

If you're only singing the Psalms, you can't sing praises in the name of Jesus.

There's much

regarding the gospel and other things.

And aren't the the average Psalters that are used.

The phraseology is even changed.

From the original and in some fashion to be able to be sung in the English language, aren't they?

Exactly right.

Yeah, you'd look at any

psalter to

make it singable.

So you're singing biblical

truth.

Very valid.

Well, thank you Benjamin.

I hope you still keep listening to.

I am sharpens iron even though our guest and I disagreed with you on this.

But I'm assuming you would think that it's a very commendable thing

to include The singing of psalms in worship service and many of the

best hymnals to have Psalms put to music in the hymnals.

And the congregation where I'm a member Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle.

We not only have hymnals in the pews, but we also have psalters in the pews.

I mean wouldn't it be wise to include the psalter or sections of it in the hymnal?

Yes, I mean it's a

very

valid thing

and.

We have.

Let's see.

We have Tyler in mastic Beach, Long Island, New York who says.

Is the reason why the Evangelical Church's view and

Practice of worship due to their lack of the reverence for the Holy God of the

Bible.

Reread that because I'm not really getting the grammar here.

Is the reason why the Evangelical Church's view and practice of worship

Due to their lack of the reverence for the Holy God.

I guess I should rephrase this because I'm not really understanding the way he has written this sentence.

I'm assuming he is just asking.

Are many evangelical churches today Lacking reverence for the Holy God of the Bible in their worship.

I'm assuming that's what he really means to ask.

Well,

I want

you to

have

at least five minutes to conclude the program today.

To leave our listeners with what you most want etched in their hearts and minds about the importance of singing

before we run out of Time and then if we have time to take a couple of more listener questions, we will do so.

Well

being redeemed believers in our day

one of my burdens and my desires

Christians things are in the Bible.

Get our mind what the Bible actually says about our speech and the

importance of our words.

It matters to God immensely.

God himself hears our words and He counts them

good words righteous so we

need to elevate our view because it's so important throughout the

Bible.

The same thing is true.

I wish every part in

the Bible places

Christians are the only people in the world that have anything to sing

about.

This world is passing away and all this love but he who does the world

believers are the only ones to have anything worth singing

about and So if we can take this to heart And if we can bring the

practice and the habit should have in our

lives It will change our life individually.

It will change our church life.

It can change our Christian life.

I'll close with this.

Tom Wells from a hall said this singing God

-centered hymns and songs is desirable.

But more than that is needed.

We always sing what we feel and what we believe and When we discover the

greatness of God We will sing it.

Amen, and I knew Tom Wells was so delighted to have a number of

opportunities to have fellowship with him and I also know the young

man that has taken his place there at The King's Chapel in Cincinnati, Ohio

and I'd like to plug that congregation and that pastor Dustin battles who was actually a

Pastoral intern at one time at Grace Baptist Church in Carlisle, Pennsylvania where I am a member that

website if you'd like more information about the King's Chapel in Cincinnati, Ohio is

King's Chapel Baptist org King's Chapel

Baptist Dot o -r -g and We have

a listener, let's see Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania wants to know is it true that the Reformers

returned?

The singing of God and of the singing to God in worship back

to the congregation whereas in the Church of Rome The congregation and the

ordinary layman were restricted from singing at one point in history prior to the Reformation.

Well Chris enough of

just like

Martin Luther brought

the gospel in the Word of God as did Tyndale and the English Reformers to the

common man singing

Reformation and that brings another thought to times of historic revival and

spiritual awakening.

Singing Has exploded in the hearts.

I'm gonna be

walking home.

I think Richard back on pastor

once

where he minister could walk through the streets

and he could hear songs and hymns every home

affirmation and Revival.

Amen.

And in fact,

I heard I have heard about.

The very thing that our guests or should I say our listener was asking about in regard to

The Reformation restoring singing to the Congregation and one last thing

I want to ask you Mac.

Don't you think that musicians in the church? Have to be very careful as

not to overpower the singing with their instruments.

I have even been in the worship services of very

Theologically sound and biblically faithful congregations very reformed and Calvinistic

Etc with very traditional music.

I'm not talking about blaring electric guitars or anything like that who have had brass

instruments and other things Classical instruments and yet they were so loud

when you looked around you it looked like people were just Lip -syncing To

nothing.

They were just moving their mouths and you couldn't even hear anybody singing.

I mean, that's a problem, isn't it?

It is a problem not

about them.

They should be able to be forgotten.

The music should be it's

not too loud.

And it doesn't drowned out the thing and accompanies.

And I do know this

fall Keith and Kristen Gidier are having a conference on singing in

Nashville.

Yes, and as I said earlier Keith Getty is going to be one of the speakers actually

Preaching a sermon or delivering a message in addition to singing at the next g3 conference in

Atlanta, Georgia.

So remember that website for more information on that g3 conference calm.

G3 conference calm.

I also want to let our listeners know that God willing on Tuesday the 22nd of August. My guest will be

Pastor John Price of Grace Baptist Church in Rochester, New York.

And he's going to be speaking on a similar subject that we are addressing today.

At least it's connected in some way.

We are interviewing John Price on his book old light on new worship Musical

instruments in the worship of God a theological historical and psychological study.

So mark your calendars for Tuesday, August 22nd and I want to make sure

that everybody has Mac Tomlinson's website.

It's Providence Denton org.

Providence d e n t o n org.

And of course going back to the fellowship conference, New England.

The website is fellowship conference new england .com.

Fellowship conference new england .com.

Any other contact information that you care to give.

No.

And I want to thank you a brother for being my guest again today.

And I want to thank the Reverend buzz Taylor for being on the program as my co -host.

And I want to Thank everybody who listened today, especially those who wrote in questions.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior Than you

are a sinner.