June 28, 2023 Show with Dave Stoltzfus on “The Challenges of Right-Leaning Media in a Leftist Culture Gone Mad”

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June 28, 2023 DAVE STOLTZFUS, Chief Executive Officer for The Lancaster Patriot media company & board member of the Mid Atlantic Reformation Society, who will address: “The CHALLENGES of RIGHT- LEANING MEDIA in a LEFTIST CULTURE GONE MAD” & announcing the 3-day event in Lancaster, PA featuring Dr. JAMES R. WHITE of AOMin.org!

00:02: Live from historic downtown Carlisle, Pennsylvania, home of Founding Father James Wilson, 19th century hymn writer
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01:00: Chris Arnzen. Good afternoon,
01:10: Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida, and the rest of humanity living on the planet
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01:21: This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this 28th day of June 2023.
01:29: I'm thrilled to have on the program as a first -time guest, Dave Stoltzfus.
01:36: He is chief executive officer for the Lancaster Patriot Media Company and board member of the
01:42: Mid -Atlantic Reformation Society, which is a new annual sponsor of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.
01:49: Today, Dave will be addressing the challenges of right -leaning media in a leftist culture gone mad.
01:56: We'll also be announcing a three -day event in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, featuring
02:01: Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries, but it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dave Stoltzfus.
02:11: Wow, Chris, you got my name correct. Wow, I'm actually shocked myself. Yeah, you must be from Pennsylvania.
02:19: No, I'm actually a Long Island native, but moved here in 2014, and it is likely that I knew how to pronounce your name because I have interviewed a former
02:30: Amish brother who was led to the true gospel of Jesus Christ, and his last name is also
02:37: Stoltzfus. Well, most people either say Stoltzfus, or they have some kind of weird pronunciation in there, kind of like Lancaster.
02:49: Nobody says Lancaster correctly. Yeah, that I screwed up, I know, because I say it the way the rest of the
02:56: United States says it outside of Pennsylvania, with the emphasis on Lang, not
03:01: Caster. So, yeah, thanks for having me on.
03:06: I appreciate it. Looking forward to our topic here today. Well, let's see if I pronounce it right this time.
03:14: Tell our listeners something about the Lancaster Patriots. Well, we've been in the industry here for about two years now.
03:30: My wife started this endeavor in 2020, and we printed our first newspaper in March of 2021, and we quit print here about three months ago, and we are strictly online at this time.
03:54: And so that's the quick and easy version. Now, there's a lot of things behind that, and there's a lot of things that, depending on where our conversation goes today, we can dive more into the challenges that we face, the outrage, the cancel culture, the
04:16: SPLC, the Southern Poverty Law Center, the
04:22: FBI. So you tell me where you want to go with this conversation, and I can probably tell you some really good stories.
04:30: Great. Well, first of all, let me just clarify a couple of things. I know that the
04:37: Lancaster Patriot is coming from a conservative biblical worldview, but are all the contributors to the
04:49: Lancaster Patriot on the same page under that umbrella? To give you an example, people typically view
04:58: Fox News as a bastion or bulwark for conservatism, and yet there are not only liberals who host programs there, but even amongst the professed you have a wide range of differing views, some of which
05:16: I would maintain are liberal, even though they may insist that they are conservative.
05:22: So tell us more about the worldview and the primary focus and direction of the
05:29: Lancaster Patriot. Well, that has shifted. That has shifted over the years, over the past few years.
05:38: It has shifted from when we originally started, our vision was to bring news that was typically not reported on.
05:54: We were looking for the good news. We were looking for uplifting news. We were looking for maybe writing the stories from a different perspective.
06:06: So most people say news is news, and we would disagree with that. We would say that every article is written with a presupposition, and that presupposition is your worldview.
06:21: So to answer your question, no, not everyone has embraced maybe our theological views, but most of our writers are either from a
06:34: Christian background or from a conservative worldview.
06:40: So no, we do not have all of our writers on the same page as us.
06:48: Now granted, since we've gone online, that has changed. We have slimmed things down.
06:55: We are looking at becoming more mobile and doing more interviews out of the office, doing more of our work with media, with audio and video, rather than what we have done traditionally in print.
07:18: And if anybody wants more information about the Lancaster Patriot, the website is extremely easy to remember, thelancasterpatriot .com,
07:27: thelancasterpatriot .com. We have a tradition here in Iron Trip and Zion Radio, Dave, where whenever we have a first -time guest, we have that guest give a summary of their salvation testimony, which would include any kind of religious atmosphere they may have been raised in and what kind of providential circumstances our sovereign
07:49: Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them. So I want to hear a summary of your story.
07:57: How much time do you have? We have a two -hour show, so take as long as you'd like. Well, so I grew up Anabaptist.
08:09: I grew up in a traditional Amish horse and buggy, no air conditioning home.
08:20: Go ahead, Chris. I just said wow. I was born and raised here in Lancaster County, in Leola to be specific.
08:31: I came up through the teenage years rebellious and cold -hearted toward the gospel.
08:42: I wanted nothing to do with the Amish faith, per se.
08:51: I was involved in all kinds of nefarious activity.
08:59: And by the time I was 22, 23, I had been arrested multiple times.
09:05: Wow. I ended up in Lancaster County Prison.
09:13: And this is while you were still an Amish person? I don't know what I was at that point, to be honest.
09:19: Were you living amongst the Amish and dressing like the Amish and all that? I was in and out, halfway in between.
09:29: I really had no moral compass at that point.
09:34: I was still living with my parents at the time. And we could do an entire episode on the myths of Rumspringa and things like that.
09:46: Oh, yeah. In fact, do you know Chuck Volo? Where's Chuck from?
09:55: Chuck did pastor a congregation in Maryland, and now he is back in Pennsylvania.
10:04: And I will tell you the city in a second. Oh, he's in Paradise. He's in Paradise, correct?
10:10: I'm looking him up right now. But he has led a number of Amish to Christ.
10:18: And many people hearing that may be scratching their heads and wondering what
10:25: I'm talking about. Because they wrongly think the Amish is
10:30: Christianity on steroids or something. They think that that is like an ideal, pristine example of Christianity.
10:38: But it is more works, righteousness -based than the Roman Catholic Church is.
10:46: Yes and no. Yes and no to that extent. I mean, there are different versions of the
10:58: Amish, I would say, in today's culture. You have some who are extremely conscious that works will not get them into heaven.
11:10: And yet they do go to the Amish Church.
11:17: You have some who, you know, work out your salvation in fear and trembling is literal.
11:24: So I always, I tend to call the Amish Catholics, you know, credo
11:30: Catholics is pretty much what they are. So I don't look at them as Catholics on steroids.
11:38: But again, I'm not going to dispute the fact that there's a lot of similarities there.
11:44: And of course, not in regard to idolatry and things like that, because they don't have images of anything. But the church where Pastor Chuck Volo is now pastoring is
11:56: Gospel of Grace Community Church in Kinser's, Pennsylvania. Correct. Yes, I am aware of them.
12:04: And he led the two primary figures in the documentary,
12:11: Trouble in Amish Paradise. He led them to Christ. Chuck is not in that documentary, but he was the initial catalyst to them being used of God, of course, to lead them to the doctrines of grace.
12:28: And at least in their lives, the two men involved were total strangers to the concept of the true grace that is described in the scriptures.
12:43: So it's a fascinating documentary. And by the way, anybody can listen to my interviews with Chuck and a couple of his
12:52: Amish converts. If you go to ironsharpensironradio .com and type in the search engine
12:59: Chuck Volo, and that's spelled V as in victory, U -O -L -O. You will find all of my interviews with Chuck.
13:09: So I hope that you take time to do that after this program. So what led you to come into contact by God's providence with the fine brethren at Mid -Atlantic
13:21: Reformation Society? Well, I don't know the whole story, but like I said,
13:30: I got out of prison and I knew something was wrong.
13:40: My life was a wreck. It was a train wreck. And this was probably in 2004.
13:53: It's kind of my past, so I don't have the exact dates, but it was probably 2004, right around that time.
14:01: And I didn't know which way to go. And obviously the culture
14:09: I was living in at that time was not having a driver's license. I was back with my parents.
14:15: I was living in their house. So they said, well, why don't you join the Amish church?
14:21: So I said, okay, maybe that flavor will work for me, not really knowing what it was.
14:28: And so I became a member of the Amish church. And that lasted for a few years.
14:37: And then I was starting to drift back, you could say, back to my old ways.
14:44: And my father, I don't know what his motives were or what it was, but to my understanding, he is the one who put me in touch with Pastor Joel Saint.
14:58: At that point, he knew Pastor Joel Saint from some lunch meetings while Joel was a salesman for another organization, or for another company, for a business that Joel was working for at the time.
15:11: And that relationship started in probably 2006, 2007.
15:18: Again, I don't have the exact dates, but that was my first introduction to Joel Saint.
15:28: And from there, it took me a few more years to embrace, to come from the
15:36: Anabaptist mindset into the Reformed, Theonomic, Postmillennial Baptist mindset.
15:45: And so I really became, I would say I became a believer in 2010.
15:51: I met my wife, and we were both trying to, at that point, still didn't know what we were doing.
15:59: I was convicted, but I was not,
16:05: I did not embrace grace and the gospel until the spring of 2010.
16:12: And then, I guess you could say the rest has been a test and a testimony since then.
16:21: Praise God. And I am so excited, and that is putting it lightly, that I am working with the folks at Mid -Atlantic
16:34: Reformation Society on orchestrating a three -day event in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, featuring my longtime, very dear friend,
16:42: Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries, who I've known and worked with since 1995.
16:51: And I am just so pumped up that he is going to make sure that he is in Lancaster for this three -day event.
17:01: And I hope that you all mark your calendars for September 15th through the 17th, that's a
17:07: Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, when Dr. White will be speaking in Lancaster.
17:12: Please get there any way you can, by train, plane, or automobile. And we will be continuing to provide updates as we have them.
17:23: I prematurely announced yesterday the venue where Dr. White will be speaking, but then
17:30: I just learned that that is not a 100 % confirmed venue.
17:35: So I will hold off on announcing the name of that venue, as I did yesterday, until we know for certain that that will be the location.
17:46: But we know that the general theme will be the gospel at war, and there will be different elements of this world that has waged war on the gospel that will be addressed in different sessions.
18:03: And Dr. White is the primary speaker, but there will be other men on staff with Mid -Atlantic
18:11: Reformation Society who will also be speaking. And if you want to keep getting updates on this, you can go to futureofchristendom .org,
18:21: futureofchristendom .org. You can also go to midatlanticreformation .org, midatlanticreformation .org.
18:28: And I want to thank Joel St. and my guest Dave Stoltzfus and the entire staff of Mid -Atlantic
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18:57: We're going to go to our first commercial break right now, and when we return, we're going to really focus on our theme, the challenges of right -leaning media and the leftist culture going mad.
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31:31: Dave Stoltzfus. He is Chief Executive Officer for the Lancaster Patriot Media Company and board member of the
31:39: Mid -Atlantic Reformation Society. We are addressing the challenges of right -leaning media and a leftist culture going mad.
31:46: If you have a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com. chrisarnson at gmail .com.
31:52: Give us your first name at least, city and state and country of residence. So Dave, as a conservative media outlet in a state such as Pennsylvania, which could be possibly described as somewhere between a blue to purple state, my town where I am in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Carlisle, Pennsylvania, seems to be an equal mixture of liberals and conservatives.
32:26: There may be more liberals than I realize, but it's just that most of those that I am most closely connected and with whom
32:34: I have fellowship are conservative. So tell us about being a right -leaning media outlet in a leftist culture going mad.
32:45: What are some of the challenges? You were rattling off some of them right at the outset of the program before I had you give your personal salvation testimony.
32:53: But share with us some of that. Well, first I want to set, basically
33:03: I want to try to differentiate between right -leaning and even a
33:12: Christian worldview media or a Christian worldview news organization.
33:19: So I'd like to say that we are even further right than most people want us to be.
33:32: And probably that would include Christians. Well, that's where I'm going.
33:39: I mean, most people really want, when they think conservative media, all they're looking for is an echo chamber.
33:48: They're looking for an echo chamber that puts out the normal Trump stuff, the normal Mastriana stuff, the things that the normal Christian conservative people want to hear.
34:04: They literally want you to put out what they want to hear. And we got a lot of heat for that.
34:13: You know, when Mastriana was running last year, my goodness, was that just last year?
34:20: Yeah, it was last year. When he was running, we posted an article, we did an opinion piece saying we just wish
34:28: Mastriana would be consistent. And that was with some of his school choice stuff and a few other things, his abortion policies.
34:37: And we really got a lot of heat. We had people cancel their subscriptions because of it.
34:44: They did not. Go ahead, I'm sorry. Go ahead. I was just going to say that Sean Hannity was attacking
34:54: Doug Mastriano because he thought he was across the board too strong and forceful on abortion, or should
35:02: I say against abortion. And Sean Hannity has a new kick where he is urging conservatives to lighten up on their anti -abortion rhetoric to further ensure that GOP candidates will win.
35:20: And I just did a recent response to that with Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries on Iron Sherp and Zion Radio.
35:29: And if anybody listening wants to hear that interview after this live one is over, go to ironsherpandzionradio .com
35:35: and type in James R. White into the search engine or even
35:41: Sean Hannity, and you will see that interview come up. But I'm sorry for interrupting you.
35:47: I just wanted to say that it is interesting that you're saying that, in your opinion,
35:52: Doug Mastriano wasn't even strong enough against abortion. Well, from a Christian perspective, if we are going to take
36:00: Christianity, if we're going to wear Christianity on our sleeve and take it with us as we ought, then we should take the whole council.
36:11: And if we believe that we are a human being at the point of conception, then we shouldn't be playing or toying around with these ideas of heartbeat bills or things like that.
36:28: We need to call a spade a spade and say, no, we're not going to do this.
36:34: And so we called them out. And we lost subscribers. We've done other things like that.
36:41: And we've come to the conclusion that people really only want a sounding board.
36:46: They want to hear their thoughts on our screen or on our piece of paper.
36:52: And when you attack or what they would call attacking, when we point out the hypocrisy of some of these people, it completely, you know, they go into what's called a liberal meltdown.
37:06: And those are just some of the things that we've experienced. We've had a lot of challenges. When my wife first started this, in the beginning was right around the riots were occurring in 2019, sorry, 2020, if you remember, the summer of the riots.
37:27: And we had one here in Lancaster. And during all that, you know, we were still in the infancy stages of planning this thing.
37:37: And we basically one night started this thing up. And there's a whole backstory.
37:45: But during that whole process, we got a lot of leftists pushback.
37:53: So we've had, I would say we're well weathered over here. We're equal opportunity offenders.
38:00: And we have people on both the left and the right who don't like us. Now, how do you respond to even some of our brethren in Christ?
38:10: Because I have had encounters with brothers and sisters in Christ, even
38:16: Reformed brothers and sisters in Christ, who agree with Sean Hannity.
38:23: It seems they take their on paper doctrinal beliefs of the sovereignty of God over all things.
38:32: They put that on a shelf, it seems, when it comes to politics. And they will say, look, we've got to win the next cycle of elections, because of the leftist tyranny that is continually getting worse and worse with the nightmarish folks, including our president, that we have in office.
39:01: And the only way that we're going to vote them out of office is to get more moderate candidates to run for office, so that we can win those who are in swing states and those who are even perhaps lifelong
39:19: Democrats. We can win them over to vote for our candidates. And they think that is the solution.
39:27: And they will compromise on things like abortion. Not that they would necessarily become full pro -choice advocates, but they will say, oh, for the reasons of the life of the mother and rape and incest, we will concede and allow our candidates to allow abortion for those reasons.
39:57: And, of course, what I have said is that murder is murder.
40:03: And the only reason any of us should be opposed to abortion is because it is murder.
40:09: And once you start giving these exceptions, even as the liberals put it even further, the health of the mother, like what does that mean?
40:18: It could mean that she gets depressed while she's pregnant. When you say that these are exceptions, you're saying that it's not murder.
40:28: So, therefore, why on earth would you oppose abortion when you think it's not murder?
40:34: Am I making sense here? Yeah, I mean, I think we have to understand the role that the media plays in this all.
40:41: We have to understand what I call the perpetual election cycle. So we are never out of an election cycle.
40:51: We are constantly, the media controls that narrative. The media controls who they want to put in there.
41:00: I mean, a lot of people listening here might say, Dave, you're a total conspiracy theorist.
41:07: But if you really look into it, if you really look at what the media pushes and how they push it, whether it's
41:13: Fetterman or Shapira or any of these politicians, the media is driving that game.
41:22: And what people have to understand is media and news is no different than the food that you eat.
41:30: You are what you consume. And so if you are going to listen to the Sean Hannity's of the world and your local
41:37: TV station and your local liberal newspaper who are constantly flaming those action points or those talking points, you will become the very thing you are consuming, just like the food that you eat.
41:57: So I want to go back and address one thing on abortion. The people who compromise and say, well, you know, whatever we got to do, if we have to have more of a left -leaning conservative in or that's who we want to vote in, those very people, they do not have a line that they are that they do.
42:21: They very rarely, I should say, have a line that they're not willing to cross. And I myself am very
42:30: I would I would look at those people and say, where are you going to draw the line?
42:38: Is there a line for you or will you constantly be floating in the wind looking for that next candidate?
42:43: I personally I'm not a fan of Trump. I'm not a Trump guy. I don't like in my opinion, he is immoral.
42:54: He's not a Christian. I do not believe he's a Christian. Obviously, I don't know. There are people who say he is.
43:01: But from what I've seen, you shall know them by their fruit. Right. And from what
43:07: I've seen, Trump is not a Christian. Yeah, if he was genuinely born again, he would be the first to as soon as he got a hold of a microphone with a national or global audience.
43:21: He would say, please, let me correct some very serious, grievous errors that I have made in the recent past when
43:31: I was running for president, when I was claiming that I never committed a sin and all these other things that he said that were absolutely outrageous.
43:42: In fact, I don't think I've ever heard a human being say that. And he would be he would making he would be making that clear.
43:50: He would be making his newfound faith crystal clear. And he hasn't done that.
43:55: So I share your conviction that he is not a born again believer.
44:03: And so that's problematic for me, is that we as Christians are willing to support.
44:10: And again, I will take. Obviously, you are. I still, you know, I'll stand by you are what you consume.
44:17: So so people who consume Fox News, people who consume O 'Reilly and Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson and every other, you know, whether it's
44:27: Joe Rogan or any leftist organization, whatever it may be that they consume, those will be they will end up with those talking points.
44:36: They will end up with those viewpoints. And that has been our biggest challenge is when we try to push farther to the right.
44:45: You know, we are not just simply interested in in holding the line.
44:51: Our goal is to push the conversation back to where it needs to be back to where morality and common sense actually are our footholds.
45:05: And where the gospel is center rather than where liberal cancel culture and all of these other other things are our front and center.
45:15: I like to I like to put there's there's the ratchet effect. And you have the left leaning media and conservative media.
45:28: You have the left leaning media who's continually trying to push the narrative further to the left.
45:35: Just this week, there was there was a story out about the the transgender Montana lawmaker who who was censured and and who is now this bulwark, this, you know, this great person.
45:49: The Associated Press put this put this article out saying that that he's such a great person.
45:54: This is so humbling. And and the problem with that article, here's the problem with that article.
46:01: The article paints the degeneracy of the transgender movement as a good thing.
46:10: Now, that's what the left leaning media does. And in my opinion, the ratchet effect is a conservative media.
46:20: All they do is make sure that that ratchet cannot spin back counterclockwise. And we're here.
46:27: Our battle really isn't with the liberal left. Our battle is with the conservative and the centrist ideas.
46:35: Right. And so that those are the challenges. They're really not even with the left leaning media.
46:43: Right. As much as it is trying to change that, that centrist idea to go back to the ways back to the paths that are straight.
46:52: It's going to that makes sense because you're going to have more professedly conservative people paying attention to what you're doing at the
47:03: Lancaster Patriot. So therefore, those that are more moderate or to the left than your positions would hold would be the ones that you're going to have the most problems with.
47:18: In fact, it has become very in vogue for homosexuals who are fiscally conservative, who are supporters of small government.
47:34: Who are everywhere from Republican to libertarian right leaning.
47:40: But it is fashionable for these folks to be paraded around as you see, we're not against homosexuality.
47:49: Look at all the conservatives that we have speaking our case in public who are homosexuals, either male or lesbians.
47:59: And I sometimes wonder what is more dangerous for drag queens to be telling stories in libraries to children or for children to be curled up on the couch with their parents.
48:16: Watching somebody who's a professed homosexual or lesbian agree with their parents on many political issues, because that's the that's the where it's more of a danger.
48:27: You're not going to have your average Christian family submitting their children to some sodomite or drag queen dancing in front of them or reading stories to them.
48:37: But you are going to have many conservative families sitting there with their children watching homosexuals agree with their parents on many issues.
48:47: If that makes sense to you. Absolutely. Absolutely. It's a problem.
48:53: It's a major problem. And that's part of my problem or that's that's a lot of my problem with the
48:58: Republican Party is the Republican Party wants to in order to be more relevant in these wicked times that we live in.
49:08: They will basically shift their policies for their left so that.
49:18: So that they have a base so that their base is there. They're not concerned about morality.
49:25: They're not concerned about what is right and wrong. All they're concerned about is that perpetual election cycle and getting back in office.
49:34: And that's one thing us Christians need to understand that election cycle is perpetual and we need to get out of it.
49:41: We need to get out of that mindset. Well some of them would argue as I've even heard personally with friends and acquaintances of mine who would be in that category.
49:52: They will say hey look my agenda to make conservatives more palatable to the broader community when they are running for office is going to save more babies in your view.
50:09: Because none of your candidates are ever going to be elected. And my response to them is that they are not looking at the bigger picture.
50:18: They're looking at something to be an immediate fix which is actually not a fix at all.
50:24: Because if you keep electing into office candidates who believe in murdering babies for any reason.
50:31: When are you going to when is that supposed to be reversed in the future. When is it ever going to become the more prominent thing for voters to want to elect people who are against child murder for any reason.
50:47: If you insist that your candidates are going to be softer on abortion and you keep electing them that's never going to be reversed.
50:56: So they're really not looking at the bigger picture and they're not looking or trusting in the sovereignty of God over these things.
51:03: Am I making sense. Yeah I mean I would definitely say they're not trusting in God and they're also
51:09: I think very often they get caught up in those cycles. Where let's just let's just talk your your your typical you know your typical politician who gets started at a township supervisor level or a school board level.
51:26: They go in they want to make changes they're running on a platform of fiscal responsibility.
51:34: They're running on a platform of we are going to change the system. And at the end of the day
51:41: I have seen it in just two years two and a half years into this media media company that we have here.
51:47: I now know people who will openly defend homosexuality who two years ago would not have.
51:54: I know people who are willing to go to bat because they think maybe we are too harsh.
52:04: And so what happens is they get into that system and it is so easy to take bribes.
52:14: We have to understand that when when Jethro was talking to Moses you know put men in there who won't take bribes.
52:22: Men who will be honest men who will be courageous and we have to understand we need to understand where we're at in the society that we live in.
52:33: We are so easily manipulated and I would say so many Christians are so naive.
52:40: By the way I would I don't know if you will disagree with me or not but I would much sooner vote for an unregenerate person who had my worldview and was at least somewhere in the same orbit of conservativism as I am over a professed
53:01: Christian who may even give convincing evidence that they are really born again.
53:07: But who was weak on many of the positions that you would want that a
53:13: Christian should want a politician to hold. Give you one example one of the worst presidents that we've ever had in our history was
53:21: Jimmy Carter and I am not able to read his heart to determine with certainty whether he is a false professor.
53:33: But you know he was taken for granted by many people that he was a he was a genuine article as far as being a
53:39: Christian but a horrendous president. So does that make does that make sense to you. Yeah.
53:45: In fact in fact let's take your your opinion when we come back from the midway break. Please folks be patient with us.
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01:17:54: That's also the email address where you can send in a question to Dave Stoltzfus of the Lancaster Patriot and Mid -Atlantic
01:18:00: Reformation Society. We are discussing the challenges of right -leaning media and a leftist culture going mad.
01:18:06: And right before the break, Dave, I was stating my own personal view that I would more quickly vote for someone who had a worldview that more closely resembles mine, even if they were not a born -again believer in Christ, over a professing
01:18:28: Christian who may have had their worldview very compromised, even unconsciously, by the leftist world we lived in.
01:18:38: And you were just about to give your response before I had to go to the midway break. Yeah, I'm not sure if we have a little bit of a connection issue.
01:18:49: Can you hear me? I can hear you perfectly. Can you hear me? Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, there we go. I thought you were breaking up a little bit there.
01:18:55: Okay, so, sorry about that. That's all right. Yeah, I would probably disagree with you on that.
01:19:02: I've gotten into a lot of conversations on this the past five, six, seven, even ten years where I have become,
01:19:13: I guess you could say, jaded by the system, and I have voted a lot of third -party stuff.
01:19:19: I have decided for myself and my wife, she's with me on this, that we would vote for people who we would have personally either vetted or done our research on, otherwise they would not get our vote.
01:19:41: Now, that takes a lot of work, and so sometimes it's easier to just write in Pastor Joel as the presidential candidate because there's really no one else out there.
01:19:56: So I guess that's where I'm at now. I get a lot of heat for that, but I honestly believe
01:20:03: I have more biblical evidence to support my view than someone who just goes out and votes for the lesser of two evils.
01:20:15: Yes, and I understand the argument against voting for the lesser of two evils, but when it comes to their job as a president, a congressman, senator, governor, mayor, a person, in my opinion, does not necessarily need to be regenerate.
01:20:39: They may share my worldview when it comes to the functions of their office, and I would find them much more appealing to vote for than a regenerate person who is either making it clear that they are not fit for any of the offices they're running for.
01:21:01: And so I guess that's where we part company in our understanding of that, but you must be really convinced of your post -millennialism to believe that there will come a day when voting for somebody who is regenerate is actually possible, because I think that that is very rarely the case where we have these kinds of options, especially those of us who are not living in the
01:21:30: Bible belt. Well, I'm going to push back. I know this is your show, but I'm going to push back.
01:21:36: Feel free, feel free. You know, the PA Constitution, when we first had
01:21:42: William Penn in here, you were required to be a
01:21:47: Christian. And so I'm going to push back and say we were there once.
01:21:54: Why can't we go back to that? That's why I mentioned the post -millennialism. It's going to take a miracle of God for that to happen, which is according to the paradigm of post -millennialism.
01:22:06: Absolutely. But I mean, okay, let's just... Give me two minutes on that. Sure, sure.
01:22:12: I had a conversation, I think it was last week, with a gentleman, and we got to talking.
01:22:21: And he was lamenting the fact of the transgender issues and the homosexuality and the world that we live in, the war in Ukraine, and all of these heavy -handed, just over -the -top news articles that continually cascade upon us.
01:22:38: And he was depressed. He said, you know, this world's just getting to be worse and worse and worse.
01:22:45: And I said, I actually disagree. I said, you know, 2 ,000 years ago we had 11 disciples who were scared out of their minds in an upper room, didn't know what was going to happen, they thought they were going to be next, and they hadn't yet seen and didn't yet understand the power of the resurrection and what a mighty king
01:23:08: Christ was, and that he would go up into heaven and he would ruin rain until his enemies became his footstool.
01:23:15: I said, here's the thing that we have to understand throughout history, whether it was in 70
01:23:20: AD, as Josephus talks about, where they were eating their own children, or whether we are in 2023, where we are having people mutilate their children.
01:23:30: I will tell you, I do believe that the days we live in now are better than they were at that point.
01:23:37: I said, I honestly, both of those examples are extremely wicked, eating your child or mutilating your child.
01:23:47: But which one is worse? Right. And according to most post -millennialists that I know, and I know many and very close friends with many, and I've had many on the program, even though I'm a non -millennialist, but always open -minded.
01:24:07: According to most of the post -millennialists that I know, the eschatology of post -millennialism does not teach that there is a never -ending upward arrow where there is nothing but positive progress.
01:24:26: Correct. We could be plunged into 500 years of darkness like the world has never seen as far as immorality and persecution of the church.
01:24:38: But, eventually, that arrow will begin to climb upward again and will ultimately result in the conversion either of the vast majority of living souls before Christ physically returns and or the conversion of the governments of this world to being in obedience and submission to the law of God.
01:25:08: So, you seem to agree with that, that it doesn't necessarily mean things are constantly going to get better and better and better and better without interruption.
01:25:18: Absolutely not. No, I would say anyone who has that view of post -millennialism has a pie in the sky view.
01:25:26: In fact, I've never even heard a post -millennialist say that they believe that it's usually the enemies of post -millennialism that use that as a canard, not intentionally use it as a canard, but they bring up that as a straw man because they're ignorant about what post -millennialists believe.
01:25:44: That's correct. No, I would say this, that Christianity, when the church is faithful, as we have seen, whether it was the
01:25:54: Puritans here in America or the early church, when it was faithful, Christianity grows and the world becomes a better place.
01:26:03: And you and I can both, if you and I sitting here, miles apart, talking over the internet, having a conversation, enjoying one another's company, while sitting,
01:26:16: I am at least, in an air -conditioned room, with all the amenities that I could possibly have,
01:26:23: I can only imagine how much the Apostle Paul would have loved to have this kind of a platform to spread the gospel.
01:26:36: Amen. So, tell us some more about these challenges that you, being in conservative media, coming from a
01:26:48: Christian and biblical worldview, that you face in this leftist culture that even exists, obviously, here in Pennsylvania.
01:27:00: Well, like I said earlier, the challenges come from both sides. The cancel culture happened on the left.
01:27:10: While we challenged, you can look at some of the cancel culture issues that happened, just with the
01:27:18: Mastriana thing. So, we obviously challenged Mastriana, in an opinion piece, and Mastriana supporters said, well, we're going to cancel our subscription.
01:27:31: Okay. At the same time, we were supporting a
01:27:38: Mastriana event in Carlisle, or Camp Hill, and that very event was being canceled by the left, with Penn Cinema and a few other organizations here in Lancaster, because Mastriana was too far right.
01:27:54: So, this cancel culture thing goes all around, and one of the things that we really want to do is, with kind of our new vision, is to open the doors, to bring people in.
01:28:06: I really don't care what your background is. I don't care if you are Mormon, Amish, post -millennial, pre -millennial, who you are, but come on in.
01:28:16: We can do interviews. What we're trying to do is change the conversation.
01:28:21: We want to have a conversation about what things should at least look like. We may be, like we said earlier, 500 years away from seeing a predominantly
01:28:33: Christian culture, but that does not change our immediate duties.
01:28:39: I will say this to the pre -millennials. If Christ came back tonight at 9 o 'clock, does not change my duties between now and 9 p .m.
01:28:52: I am to promote the gospel. I am to throw down lofty ideas.
01:28:59: I am to present the righteous way, or the good way to do things, and that's our goal.
01:29:06: Our goal is to bring people in. Going back to our challenges, we've had all kinds of challenges, whether it was the Southern Poverty Law Center putting us on their hate map, or whether it was being visited by the
01:29:19: FBI because they thought we were involved in the election of Trump because we started up in March of 2021.
01:29:30: Well, we really started in 2020, so there were some rumors out there that we were trying to influence the election, even though we didn't print anything until March of 2021.
01:29:41: So the FBI came wondering what our role was and where we're getting our funding.
01:29:48: So we have some wild stories that would take us the rest of the night to say, but that's just a brief summary of some of the things that has happened to us.
01:29:58: Wow. I would wear those attacks as badges of honor. I'm sure you do. I mean, obviously, they make life more difficult for you, but I would obviously embrace those rejoicingly as signs that you're doing the right thing.
01:30:18: Yeah. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Yeah, we do, though it is difficult.
01:30:28: We have a lot of people who would rather we just go away.
01:30:33: The local newspaper, LNP, which is now part of WITF out of Harrisburg, they, for a while there, were printing hit pieces on Pastor Joel, printing hit pieces on the
01:30:51: Lancaster Patriot, printing hit pieces on my wife and I. And then there was an event last year where we finally,
01:31:01: I guess, got a little bit of a backbone and we called them out on some lies. And they have not, to my knowledge, they haven't said anything about any of our organizations or any of the organizations that I'm with since then.
01:31:16: So what we have found is that if we stand up and we do what's right and we call them out and we speak the truth, the darkness often does not like that and they either hope we just go away or they try to ignore us.
01:31:34: And so that's kind of been the story for the last six to 12 months here.
01:31:42: We have an anonymous listener who has a question for you. He or she says, aren't you concerned about using such labels for yourself as right wing when you may be confused with such groups as neo -Nazis?
01:32:07: Go ahead. It was a long pause of silence there so I just was going to say your answer.
01:32:16: So... First of all, if you want me to throw out something, a lot of that has to do with an ignorant populace.
01:32:24: The Nazis were left wing. The Nazis were not right wing. The Nazis did not believe in small government.
01:32:30: The Nazis had a lot in common with communism with some specific differences, but they were by no stretch of the imagination a right wing organization.
01:32:48: But anyway, go ahead. Well, I guess where we've gotten to, we've been called so many names that it has gotten to the point where they don't really mean anything.
01:33:01: You know, when you say you're a Nazi, well, exactly, please define that. What is that? We have
01:33:06: Nazis in the Ukraine. We have Hitler's Nazis. What are you calling me?
01:33:12: When you say that I'm anti -Semitic, as so many people have said, what does that mean?
01:33:20: I have now heard that they are trying to define anti -Semitism as someone who believes in the
01:33:26: Bible. And the majority of it comes from Jewish human authors, of course, inspired by God.
01:33:37: These are God -breathed truths, but they were human authors that God used. And the only person in the entirety of the
01:33:44: Bible, both Old and New Testament, that was not Jewish is Luke. Well, but that's interesting in that they are now saying that a
01:33:57: Bible -believing, someone who believes in Jesus, the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, is anti -Semitic because Jesus had a problem with the
01:34:06: Pharisees and the Sadducees. So that has been circulating on the Internet. So to answer the anonymous person's question, at what point, when we throw these labels around, should we be concerned?
01:34:25: I believe that is a legitimate question that we have to ask. Because the labels change on a daily or monthly or annual basis.
01:34:38: And so the label really means nothing to me. Maybe that's callous, maybe that is foolish,
01:34:46: I don't know. But to me, sitting here today, those labels have very, very little meaning to me.
01:34:55: Yeah, and I would even advise our listeners to look up a book.
01:35:02: I've interviewed both of the authors of this book, but it is called
01:35:07: The Pink Swastika, Homosexuality in the Nazi Party. And it is a real eye -opener as to the origins of the whole
01:35:18: Nazi movement and how the
01:35:23: Nazi movement has always been a left -wing organization and the original bedrock founders of the
01:35:34: Nazi party in Germany were predominantly, by far, homosexuals.
01:35:41: And this is a shock to many people. But the book is replete with footnotes of historians that were contemporary of the
01:35:55: Nazis who proved this point. And these historians themselves were homosexuals, many of them, and were
01:36:03: Jewish. It is written by Scott Lively, a Christian pastor, and Kevin E.
01:36:10: Abrams, an Orthodox Jew. So look that up. In fact, the entire book is online in addition to being able to purchase the book,
01:36:20: The Pink Swastika. So I just thought I'd throw that out there. Yeah, I mean, just another footnote, or another mention is someone really wants to look into the early 1900s in Germany, look into the
01:36:36: Weimar Republic, look into what was going on in the First and Second World Wars and what led up to that, and the amount and the degeneracy that was going on there in Germany.
01:36:48: Just a side note, I know we're not discussing anti -Semitism or Nazis here on the show today, but we need to understand history but going back to the anonymous person who asked that question,
01:37:05: I would definitely say it really, they don't mean,
01:37:11: I don't think they mean what we think they mean. And of course, they're just, most of them are lying through their teeth anyway, and they could not care less whether Nazi is an accurate description of the conservative
01:37:29: Christians, they'll use it anyway. Correct, correct. Because it diffuses any hope for an open and honest debate and dialogue.
01:37:41: Once you throw out words like racist and Nazi, people close their ears to what their opponent is going to say.
01:37:50: So thank you, anonymous. By the way, if you are a first -time questioner, please email me your full name and mailing address.
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01:38:19: Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service. So let us know if you're a first -time questioner, and give us your shipping information.
01:38:28: Let's see. We have another anonymous listener who says,
01:38:37: I'm having a frustrating time with the church where I am a member, trying to get people involved more in the political arena.
01:38:48: And what are your suggestions and words of counsel to us who are in a position like that, and especially in regard trying to rally together like -minded people when, as you've already said, there are so many people that are far more left -leaning amongst conservatives than they may realize themselves?
01:39:13: Well, I can sympathize with this person because we're having the same problems here.
01:39:19: One of our goals that we would love to see here in Lancaster County is to have a
01:39:27: Bible -believing sheriff. A sheriff who's willing to stand up and at least stand for his people.
01:39:37: A sheriff who's willing to stand up against the, for example, the
01:39:43: Amos Miller case, which some of you may be aware, where Amos Miller was selling raw meats and milk and things like that, and the federal thugs came in, shut down his business, confiscated some items, and basically did a five -year lawfare against him.
01:40:03: Basically, it was warfare, but it was law. He's been in and out of court. So, to answer the person's questions, we are having the same issues.
01:40:13: In fact, let's pick up right where you left off after we return from our final break because we've got to cut to our commercial break.
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01:55:48: And the reason I think we're having so many issues is people don't want that.
01:55:57: All that our current society wants is to walk up to the voting booth on election day and look and see who's in the
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01:56:14: So I'm not sure that I really answered the listener's question, but I would say it's our mindset, it's the way we look at politics.
01:56:26: We don't look at it from a biblical worldview, we're looking at it from a really unbiblical worldview.
01:56:36: And in the end, I just think people are burned out. I think people are completely burned out, they don't want anything to do with it, and most people, on top of that, most people are scared.
01:56:48: Now it's interesting that you say that the Anabaptists have had such a strong influence on the community of Lancaster and perhaps even the broader
01:57:02: Pennsylvania area, but it seems interesting to me that that would be a phenomenon, because Anabaptists are very often, by not only
01:57:11: Christians, but perhaps even more prevalent among non -believers, they're looked upon as oddballs.
01:57:18: So how did they get such, how did they yield such influence in this area that you and I live in?
01:57:26: Well, I mean, you have to look at central Pennsylvania as a whole here. Central Pennsylvania has been heavily influenced by Quaker, first with William Penn and then the
01:57:36: Anabaptists moving in. My ancestors, I am ninth generation, so we're talking, you know, quite a few years.
01:57:48: And, you know, my father had 15 siblings, my mother had 13, so when you, when you, they are very prolific childbearing people, so they have a lot of children, and there's a huge, you know, it's just grown.
01:58:04: And so many of those, and they're not all horse and buggy Mennonite or horse and buggy Amish, there's so many different branches of them, that it has just, it's kind of saturated the culture
01:58:18: I would say that Anabaptist mentality. By the way, this is a shot in the dark because I know that this last name, your last name, is very common in Pennsylvania and especially among the
01:58:30: Amish, but are you related to Ephraim Stoltzfus, who I interviewed on his journey out of the
01:58:37: Amish community? I, most likely somewhere,
01:58:43: I don't personally know him. Okay, I was just curious. Well, we are, we are out of time, and I want to make sure that you, all the listeners, have the websites that you need to have.
01:58:55: TheLancasterPatriot .com, TheLancasterPatriot .com, and I'm revealing my
01:59:00: New York roots by mispronouncing Lancaster. MidAtlanticReformation .org,
01:59:08: MidAtlanticReformation .org, and FutureOfChristendom .org, FutureOfChristendom .org,
01:59:15: and that is the best website to go to repeatedly for updates on the upcoming
01:59:23: Gospel at War conference featuring Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries in Lancaster County from Friday, September 15th through Sunday, September 17th, so we hope as many of you will join us there as possible.
01:59:39: I want to thank you so much, Dave, for being an excellent guest today. I want to thank everybody who listened, especially those who took the time to write.
01:59:45: I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.