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Here is James white. Yeah, who let's Centurion in the chat channel. Oh, are we on? Okay, well, hey, you know one of the one of the pyromaniacs Obviously is in our channel this morning just simply to concede the blog wars.

He hasn't done that yet, but I'm sure he will before long. Welcome to the dividing line on a What is a Tuesday? Yes Tuesday. I've I've pretty much lost track of things I've been in a cave for 16 days and I Am so thankful that I can announce today that I will be sending The final text of the book barring obviously earthquakes all three of my computers exploding Things like that.

I'll be sending the final the final text to solid-ground Christian books tonight and That means hopefully in basically no more than two weeks from that point in time maybe a little less. They'll start shipping and We'll have this available.

I made some changes this morning. I thought I don't know why I didn't thought of this before but I'm putting in as appendices Both the Christian message tract which hasn't been in print in about three four years and something I wrote on atheism a number of years ago that I dug through our boxes and tracked that down and so Those will be Appendices, which hopefully will help make the book even more useful as something to give to people.

To allow you to use it in an evangelistic fashion and then as part of the final chapter. Just this morning in the period of time since I have been in the office. I just started putting together a bulleted list bulleted points on in a list of the summary of errors problems contradictions and half truths in the tomb theory and I tried to keep it as to the main points as much as possible and end up being three pages long.

So I'm gonna read that for you. Oh. By the way, if you're wondering the books probably come in. Well, I didn't put the I didn't figure in the appendices. Let me do some somewhere between. Some around I would estimate a hundred and forty two pages in that in that neck of the woods I would say about a hundred and forty two pages.

It's only eleven point font. It's the font isn't very big. So if I use the same size font as their hardback book, I'm sure it would be about the same size actually but 16 days 16 days from the the first words typed until until the end that is a Definitely for me a new record.

No, no two ways. No two ways about it. Here is a summary of errors problems contradictions and half truths in the tomb theory each is a bulleted point. The book and film were not subjected to serious scholarly examination prior to release to the public.

Many scholars cited in the film book have affirmed that they were not told the full story and that their statements have been used out of context. The theory uses double standards and it's tremendously inconsistent use the New Testament at times accepting its accuracy on one point then rejecting it on The next without following any logical standards the film and book demonstrate a consistent willingness to document only particular facts.

Related to its conclusions ignoring those facts that are contrary to its conclusions. The central argument of the film that Mary Omni is the original name of Mary Magdalene is subject to numerous counter arguments and explanations.

The inscription the Mary Omni ossuary can be read at least three ways in the first two. Which leave the entire theory without any ground are more likely than the third upon which the theory rests. Even taking the inscription as the theory does there is no reason whatsoever to believe a fourth century work of fiction.

The Acts of Philip is relevant to first century Jerusalem. The Acts of Philip nowhere refers to or identifies Mary Omni as Mary Magdalene. The name Mary Magdalene Never appears in the Acts of Philip. The Acts of Philip say Mary Omni could turn into an arc of glass and a pillar of fire.

Do the theorists think Mary Magdalene could do this? The film represents Francois Beauvon. Miss represents Francois Beauvon of Harvard who has confirmed that he is only referring to the Mary Omni Magdalene connection in the realm of literary parallels not history.

Beauvon refers to the theories claims that Jesus and Mary Magdalene had a child as science fiction. The film s represents even the existing text of the Acts of Philip by saying the book says Mary Magdalene Which it never mentions would be buried in Jerusalem.

It actually says Mary Omni would die in the Jordan River, which does not flow through Jerusalem. The theory's willingness to abandon first century documents directly related to Jesus and his original followers the New Testament in Favor of a work of fiction from the anchor tight community of Asia Minor 300 years later is a clear indication of its bias.

The film and book misrepresent the nature and capacities of forensic mitochondrial DNA testing. Simca Yakubovich claims Carney Matheson concluded that the genetic testing shows Yeshua bar Yosef and Mary Omni were married.

Matheson denies this conclusion forcefully. Mitochondrial DNA testing can only address maternal relationships not paternal ones. Hence the two genotypes tested could have included a father-daughter relationship a fact Inexplicably left out of the discussion by the film and the book.

The names of Jesus Mary Joseph, etc. Had been found in other burial sites in Jerusalem in the past including Dominus Flevit. All the names in the Talbot tomb are found amongst the top 10 most popular names for men and women in the time period of the first century in Jerusalem.

The argument that there is a at least a 600 to 1 chance that this is the Jesus family tomb is Based upon the assumption that one there is a Jesus family tomb in Jerusalem and two it has been found. That is the statistical argument assumes its own conclusion.

So as to have validity There is no reason whatsoever to believe Jesus would own a multi-generational tomb in Jerusalem. He was from Nazareth 120 miles to the north in Galilee and only visited Jerusalem.

The theories propounded in the book concerning the Knights Templar are presented without even the pretense of factual or historical foundation and As such have as much validity as the Da Vinci Code. They are pure fiction.

The alleged cross symbol on the Jesus ossuary is far more likely the simple this side forward mark to indicate which way to slide the Lids so that it would fit. The idea that the Judas son of Jesus in the Talbot tomb is the author of the Gospel of Thomas which was written in 8165 a century after the Talbot tomb was sealed is emblematic of the kind of scholarship represented in the family tomb of Jesus.

Or the Jesus family tomb, I believe is the appropriate name. The film and book desperately seek to avoid honestly stating the only possible ramification of their theory. That Christianity's primary claim in the resurrection of Jesus Christ is false and hence Christianity is a false religion.

So there are the bulleted points I do need to go back through because I have been thinking that the book title all along had the book sitting right there was The family to the tomb of Jesus is the Jesus family tomb.

So I've got to go through every chapter and Catch every single one of those and Yeah, either one's inappropriate, but I have to change every single reference which will be very easily done. It's to search and replaces per per chapter, it's no big deal, but That's that's another here and there so there is the bulleted material I might to go ahead and and put that on the blog.

But it will be in the back of the book. It will be in the concluding chapter so that you can you know. See that in fact the thought crosses my mind that might be something good to have just as a separate Thing maybe at the beginning of the book so you can just look at that or you know something like that.

Maybe I won't include it in the last chapter. We'll see. But one way or the other This material will be headed to the publisher tonight and therefore, hopefully Fairly close to Easter we're gonna miss it, but we came as close I think as you possibly can and produce a work that includes Citations from the thesaurus lingua grecae cd-rom.

Documenting the actual forms the Greek terms found in for example origins contra Celsus to to really get down to the The same level as the highest Argumentation they can provide for their own position.

We we checked all of that out and to have done that obviously I'm the one who did the most work on this, but I could not have done it alone. There are all sorts of folks. I've mentioned before that so when I was the back in Massachusetts going back to Massachusetts.

I was reading the book. I was I was Calling rich and and having him order books in and I was sending emails on my BlackBerry to Marie Peterson and having her look stuff up and and The obviously the people who have been editing the work flamey and Marie P and channel and The folks in channel there a couple times.

I think at least twice Micah for example Dropped URLs and channel that when I followed them. I found very important information very important documentation. That's a Ended up in the book folks who listen to this program who read the blog For example a mathematician back in st. Louis his whole explanation.

That's the statistics materials ends up in the book and So it has been really a team effort. There have been lots of people involved in getting this done everyone recognizes it needed to be done as quickly as possible to get a response out there and a response that would be thorough and Scholarly and full and yet readable and understandable.

That's the important part I hopefully have been able to achieve that balance. It's something that I've done with other Books King James only controversy the Forgotten Trinity a difficult subjects, but made them readable and understandable that's hopefully what we've done even though obviously I will have Basically only read this book over once before it goes out.

Which I'll be doing this afternoon in a very hurried fashion others have taken a look at it and at least it will not to be a problem on that on that level. But still I do understand Erasmus is terminology now in reference to the first edition of the novum instrumentum when he said it was precipitated rather than edited and this book certainly has been precipitated rather than edited in that sense, but This should not have been necessary if the the canons of standard scholarship had been followed.

Well, if they haven't followed this whole thing would never have come to into existence the very same flaws and errors in reasoning and logic and documentation that I've documented in the book would have been illustrated immediately and This whole thing never would have come together and there wouldn't be a super fancy website out there.

There wouldn't be DVD sales and book sales for 25 bucks a pop and and all the other things that go along with it and So that you know, that's why it was put out in the form that it was put out that's why it takes the form that it is taken and so We just had someone join our chat channel and say is this Muslim chat.

Well No, but we'd be happy to Talk to you. No, anyway. So The the project has honestly I do not believe I've ever been more focused For as long a period of time on just one thing like that Pulpit crimes I had to do pretty quickly too, but it wasn't like this.

It wasn't 10 to 12 hours a day. It wasn't the first thing you're thinking of when you get up in the morning and the last thing you're trying to stop thinking of. As you're trying to get to sleep at night but 16 days about 140 pages and I'm certainly hoping that people will I mean, hey, it's a great idea.

I have one of these tomb shirts that I mentioned on the blog. Carla makes these tomb shirts. And if you're gonna be going someplace, you know, you're gonna be going hanging out at the mall or something like that.

Grab a couple extra copies the book. Sit there in the food court with tomb shirt on with couple extra copies the book and what do you think the chances you might? Be able to strike up a conversation are pretty good.

You know, I I had my tomb shirt on yesterday when I saw my chiropractor and he had heard about it, too. He hadn't seen it, but he'd heard about it. So I got to tell him some about what I was doing and things like that so a lot of ways a lot of ways we could we can go there as far as.

Getting that information out, but I really as I've said what I you know, some people are man. Yeah. You must really have thought that was a good attack against your faith to be so quick to respond. Well good in the sense of the film was well-made.

James Cameron's not stupid. These people had money behind them. It's well-made. It's it uses it's it's really designed to appeal to the the Western mindset. It is designed to be politically correct in the sense of well.

We were not really saying there wasn't a resurrection. Of course, we're completely redefining resurrection is but you know, I mean Along those lines. Yeah, it's a it's it's quite slick now as far as serious argumentation.

No, it's it's very very poorly done. But then why the big rush? Well two things the way it came out you've got your conclusions thrown out there and How many Christians do you know? Who are going to feel comfortable?

Dealing with a range of subjects it goes from ossuaries. How many Christians, you know know what an ossuary is. How many know anything about first century Judaism burial practices inscriptions names? How many of you owned Jesus and the eyewitnesses by Richard Balcom.

I was writing the CRI review of the book when this whole thing hit thankfully and He had all of the Elon Lexicon of names material in his book. So How many know almost anything about the difference between nuclear and mitochondrial DNA?

I mean, these are there's all this these these realms of Discussion the acts of Philip my goodness Gnostic Gospels the Gospel of Thomas most people just simply don't have a background in that and from in that material and they Need to know how to respond in an appropriate fashion to someone who asks a question of them about these things.

And so the way it came out It's bypassing scholarship. The fact that it came out in popular media and hence is going to have a big splash big distribution required a swift response, but a good response and Obviously my hope from the beginning has been Do with this what we've done with with the Da Vinci Code and with things like that turn these things around and use them if We believe the truth if we know the truth then we can take a tax upon the truth and turn them into opportunities of witness and So that's what we want to try to do with this book is use it as an opportunity of witness.

That's why I've put a Appendix in with the opening statements from dr. Jim Renahan and myself in the debate on the resurrection with Marcus Borg and John Dominic Crossan. We had two folks again there were folks in in channel mutato crew bear Marie Peterson.

I would send them Video clips and they transcribed all this stuff and that stuff ends up in the book and it takes a long time it took them a lot of work, but they're this is the channel has been extremely important in In getting all of this this stuff done.

And so we've got the material on the resurrection there. We have the Christian message tract will be in there. I think on atheism will be in there and so hopefully the the work will be very useful to folks you're you've got a microphone in front of you and I've just been Waiting for you to finally just wait long enough to press a button and jump in.

Hey, you're on a roll I don't want to interrupt you a couple of things that have come to mind for me on This is I think maybe we need to get a bunch of these t-shirts So that we can have them on out in Mesa here in a few weeks when we go out to the Mormon Temple Witnessing to people I think that in and of itself will attract attention for people who maybe want to talk to us a little bit more and Because I'm not the week after next yes, it is coming up fast and We've really got to spring into action on that.

But we had received an email I forwarded over to you a couple of days ago as I recall and the individual was remarking about the the the new Greek breakdown Of the ossuary being Marian Miriam hi Kai Mara or something like that and the gentleman had asked the question to me the answer is obvious, but I think it's an interesting question and that is is he an expert in Greek and Is he an expert in the ossuary inscriptions?

Is that relevant in other words can someone who knows Greek and reads Greek be able to look at these ossuary's and Genuinely read what's there? Yeah, there's there's no it's not the difficulty is not Your knowledge of Greek.

It's the fact that if any one of us took some type of a sharp object to a vertical limestone surface and tried to write in English on that The result would look like chicken scratch. I mean it really would it's not it's not easy to do and many of the ossuaries clearly show evidence of someone trying to Make a downward stroke right and they run into a part of the limestone That's a little thicker and they're trying to get through it and all sudden it breaks through and boom you've got this big.

Well, I I'm reminded of just simply being at a cemetery and looking at headstones. I mean there's some of these ossuaries are very ornate and some of them are very crude right and In in the inscriptions and imagine if you will having to carve a relative's headstone with a nail.

Yeah versus Someone who did that professionally and was you know did headstones? Those are that that makes the difference the the language the writing is still the same. It's just You know, and it's also whether you have the tools to do what you need to do.

I mean, it's sort of like you and me. I mean when I do stuff around the house It takes me four hours and it looks terrible, but you've got the tools. And so when you do it, it takes you half an hour and it looks fine.

Same thing here is the Judah ossuary clearly Was something that somebody spent some money. Yeah to have that put together and in isn't it? Interesting the inscription is very legible. No mess-ups. It's clearly done by someone who does very precise chiseling not by someone who has You know a rock or a piece of metal.

And they're they're actually in the tomb as they're sliding it in and they scratch a name on it. You know, I mean, that's that's basically what you have with with some of these ossuaries. So it is a new it is unusual.

The Talpia tomb has more Inscriptions and then I think any other tombs that have been found. I mean they found some tombs that had you know, a Couple dozen ossuaries in them and only one inscription. So, you know that in and of itself is is interesting, but The fact remains that yeah, we can read these things.

But the the Mary Omni one is Difficult to read. I mean it just it wasn't done by a professional and Therefore if that becomes the foundation and it is without that all the rest the argumentation flies out the window and Since there are very plausible.

In fact much more plausible readings that do not even substantiate the theory. You've you've got a pretty tough tough road to hoe there and interestingly enough. None of that factors into the statistics argument, right?

Foreverger doesn't take into consideration. Okay, what are the chances that there was a Jesus family tomb in the first century in Jerusalem? Where the chances that it's already been found amongst the ones that have been excavated and then factor in the actual Lack of clarity in regards to the reading of the Mary Omni thing that would completely change right all the all the math, but that didn't show up in the film now for those of us who Went through the series that you did just before this went down on textual criticism.

What about the issue or how does the issue of the fact that this is done in minuscule text rather than unseal text. Address the subject that's not that's not minuscule text. It's Again it that that's a misunderstanding of what you're looking at there it's just a different way of forming the letters, but it's not a it's not a situation where you have a differentiation between the letters as a Small letter versus a large letter.

That's that's not the case I saw one email so it wouldn't have been an unsealed text. Well, yeah, and that's where I'm coming from. Yeah, I'm thinking about those emails. Yeah. Well it is in an unsealed text.

What the what's more interesting is why is it in Greek? It seems far more logical I mean that the connection that they try to make is that well, the acts of Philip say that The Mary Omni preached in Greek and therefore this makes all sorts of sense.

Actually, it's Far more logical I mean if you're going to be doing serious scholarship you do not go to a fictional work from the fourth century and read it back into the first century to figure things out and so It's far more logical in Looking at that ossuary To recognize this is a multi-generational tomb that had as many as 35 people in them.

We only know one-sixth of them we only know one-sixth the people found in this tomb and Since there that many people it's multi-generational. You're in Jerusalem the first century. Is it not much more logical to go?

Hey, this is probably a servant or someone who was associated with the family or someone someone in the extended family is that not much more logical as to what the association with this particular person was and given the graffiti like scratching.

Unlike the Judah ossuary. This is something that was done right at the last moment and that would fit with someone who for example was a servant in the Household or something along those lines, but these people had money.

That's that's one of the main things that immediately precludes. This is being the Jesus family tomb is that not only are you 120 miles off on your map, but these people to have money and power in the Jerusalem community.

Jesus didn't have it and To assume that they did that would that would rather selling then on the statistics stuff. What has bugged me from the beginning? Has been the fact that the statistician immediately that when he first started working with the information immediately discarded Matthew the ossuary of the the the Matthew individual that was found there and if all because of The fact that the assumption was made up front that this is the Jesus family tomb therefore Matthew is not a family member and therefore we're not going to Include him in our status statistics.

If you are forced to include a Matthew in those statistics all bets are off. Well, yeah. The whole. Again, the whole problem with with the approach that was taken. Was that you know in the film what they try to do is it try to connect Matthew with Mary's line and the priesthood line.

And blah blah blah blah blah. It's it's again and a glowing example of here's the conclusion. We want to reach how do we explain everything out of the way to get to the conclusion? That's that's what you know I know that simply a kibowich has said that he it was his job to to shoot the theory down at at every point.

Oh, please. Yeah, it's it's it's rubber. Use rubber bands and superglue to hold together at every point is what is actually going on. I mean, we're talking some heavy lifting, dude. Yeah, he wasn't shooting anything down and you know, it's amazing when you say something like this when you just make an observation.

That there was clear bias on their part a lot of the emails you sent me but people are why are you attacking these people? Why are you so mean? They must be right and you're just like wow. Have you? No one thinks logically anymore, no one thinks critically anymore it's it's incredible the the mindset that the people have but Again, the the database that you're working with is so small.

You have one-sixth of the names in the tomb. That's all you've got. Of the total number of bodies found and bones and so on so forth. They got one-sixth named so that means you've got five six, you don't know and Even then when and hopefully folks will find this useful.

I took a fair amount of time to provide some of the data. That otherwise you're only hearing about here there and everywhere and that is. These names. Especially for the women they kept saying well Mary I'm they we've never found one like that at least 10 of the women whose names We have found only one occurrence.

The name has appeared and we only have about 300 names grand total for the the women to work with so you're talking about a small a very small sample is at 1 8th the data size that you have for the men and.

Again, that stuff doesn't come out. It is fascinating to notice that that for example the names found the New Testament seemed to track very well With what we find in secular sources in Palestine unlike Gnostic Gospels and things like that which are written someplace else and don't have a direct connection.

But they sort of forget about that part and don't realize that might mean we should take the New Testament more seriously. But anyway, those have been fascinating things. I've learned a lot over the past three weeks.

There's no no two ways about it and all it's done has been to Significantly increase my confidence and the accuracy of the text of the New Testament and That's that's why we do apologetics is I think you're absolutely right this the this entire circumstance should be something that strengthens the faith Of the faithful right and not weaken it.

You mentioned a moment ago that we've gotten these emails about you know, why are you attacking these people, etc? And they're just trying their motives are this and their motives are that and The the one that I'm thinking of is the guy who said that you know Jesus would never behave this way to us and I'm thinking to myself Jesus wouldn't get caught dead in a tomb very.

No, so but it's interesting how it for a matter of convenience when they're willing to employ the name of Jesus. And say that Jesus wouldn't do this and Jesus wouldn't do that. And of course that totally ignores Jesus's treatment of so many different issues.

In his day the Scribes the Pharisees snake serpent scorpions and come to mind. Oh, yeah, but It's this whole thing really Needs to strengthen the faithful. And and make us more bold in being able to go out there and use it as a witnessing tool.

Yeah, I agree and it would be I hadn't even thought about The the Easter pageant coming up that would of course the Mormons are gonna be going. Yeah, that's that's exactly right. But that should be something that draws them to us into conversation not Repel them and so we can use that as a tool to be able to say hey, you know what?

We've got information. You need to hear that. You'll want to hear. While we're at it. Yeah, not only that but Jesus this Jesus is that I'm talking about is not only in an osh. We're not in an ossuary, but he's not the spirit brother of Lucifer either.

Well, and I obviously have not been spending any time to try to find out but I'd be interesting has there been Any response from the Mormons? I have not, you know, I haven't been surfing any Mormon blogs or anything.

But I I haven't heard a whisper. Maybe we need Pierre to call maybe Pierre can tell you know I'd love to get Pierre's insights on this and my entire matter to see what he thinks, you know, the interesting I don't know that the you know has the church made any official statement or anything like that.

I don't know because they're I mean they've they're really stuck. You gotta have body flesh and bone one way or the other so. You don't have any way around that eight seven seven seven five three three three four one is the phone number.

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So you think after you install the new phone system, we'll get more phone calls. Probably doesn't really make any difference. Huh? No, we're putting a new phone system. Some of you may have noticed that we one of our lines started going south on us and it's not the line coming in it's the phone system itself and so We've got a new one sitting there we're just not sure exactly how we're gonna get it in there because you want to have enough time to To get it in and get it tested and stuff like that.

Right. Yeah. Well, we don't want it melting down when you go to sing. Happy birthday I Smoke coming out from it stuff like that. Yeah, I'd be good. Maybe maybe that's maybe that's what happened to this one.

You know that we did line one was where the singing was and it just really came over. Yeah, it's possible. I don't know but anyway, I I'm thankful that I'm not the one that's gonna have to install it and Go from there.

So are the rest of I oh, yeah, right. But you know, I I'm still wondering am I could be able like dump dump people, you know. If I'd have to do you know, I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to on the on the net or something.

Well, you'd probably use a computer screen to do it. Yeah. Even this thing even has the ability to busy out all the lines cool pretty wide like we We're not taking calls right now, that's what everybody tries to call, right?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I always wait to the end of the program. See, that's what we should do from now on instead of announcing the number to say we're not taking calls right now. That's right, that's the way to do it and then start taking that's good.

Okay. Anyways, eight seven seven seven five three three three four one will not be changing. That'll still be the phone number it'll just be going into a Different phone system one that hopefully will not throw us any buzzing Issues when we're trying to talk with folks or popping or hissing or whatever that type of thing.

All right, eight seven seven seven five three three three four one if you have questions concerning the tomb story Anything we've said about that. I'd be glad to talk about that. I I'm not gonna I'm not avoiding this topic.

Because I'm trying to be politically correct or avoiding offending anybody I do know that there is a huge brouhaha going on right now in regards to The comments that dr. Moller made in regards to homosexuality.

And everybody's going well, what do you think about that? Because obviously I've debated John Shelby Spong and Barry Lynn and That guy up in Salt Lake City that I can never D something D Bradshaw. Thank you up in Salt Lake City and Written on the subject and all those other things and everybody's expected me right out front I've had to say the same thing that I've had to say to other folks.

You know, I'll try to catch up on email tomorrow, you know. There are folks waiting for me to talk to him about travel arrangements and stuff like that the only way to write a 140 page book in 16 days and that doesn't mean you got all your research done First and then wrote it you're still you still got sources coming in while you're writing.

Okay, I mean, that's The only way to do that is pretty much just say no to everything else to not to not do Anything else other than what you're doing. Didn't I do a couple of Christian shows in the midst of all that?

I think it did it two shows for Chris on the subject and In fact, I know I did I did way of the master before I left for Massachusetts if I did Chris afterwards. But anyway, you just sort of have to say sorry can't can't get into that right now.

So I have not even read The Necessary shall we call them primary documents so as to make an intelligent comment on the whole thing. I do know that unfortunately That the temperature has risen dramatically in the conversation and that does seem to be how things go.