Are These Churches Doing This Wrong? | Season 3 Episode 7

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Welcome to the
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Point Taken Podcast. He said he wanted us to be ready and we are. I said I wanted you to say who's there. You didn't say knock knock.
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I said boom bop. He didn't say knock knock. Pow. That's who's there. Who's there?
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Boom bop. Who's there? Pow. Welcome to the Point Taken Podcast. I'm the host of this podcast,
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Hunter. To the right. Yes, Hunter's back everybody. I'm back.
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For a second week in a row. We made a couple jokes, but actually we're happy you're back. Hey, this is the second consecutive week that we both, like all three of us have been here.
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Which, as far as the season goes. Oh, yeah. The episode. Yes. The last episode that I reacted.
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Yes. That was fun. Yeah, the greatest episode of all time. Yes. To my right is Anna, last name. Welcome, Anna. Thank you.
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And joining us, as always, from day one he came, Pastor Josiah.
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Hey, you're like Adam. What's up, everybody? Guys, today we're going to be talking about a whole lot of things.
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By a whole lot of things, I mean one thing. Yep. And that one thing is communion.
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We're going to be talking about communion. Yeah, we got a little bit of contrivacy, as the
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English would say, about communion. So, let's get right into it.
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Communion in general. Okay. Can somebody explain to me how communion usually happens in a church body?
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Like, at our specific church? Like, when you go to a church and they say, all right, communion is today.
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What do you expect to happen? The little crappy paper wafers.
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And the grape juice. And then them being passed along the seat. Like they pass them along.
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And then, you know, you wait until everyone has one. And then they say, you know, eat of this, like my body.
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And then drink of this, like my blood. And do all of that. That's how I was raised. Like how we did it.
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But now our church, here, we go up in like family units to the tables.
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And we'll all like gather around and do it. Let's see. Here's where the contrivacy comes in.
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Okay, the controversy. We hear, I recently heard, multiple churches actually around our area do communion a little bit differently.
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By a little bit, of course, I mean a lot of it differently. Where they will have it, like all your stuff.
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So you have your grape juice, your welches, if they know what they're doing. Then you'll have your little bread bits, whatever it is.
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The paper wafers. Yeah, the paper wafers. We have good little pieces. I remember she said, I hate
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Welch's grape juice, but I hate the idea of not participating in communion more. That's what she told me. Can I be honest?
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I don't know any other company that makes grape juice. When I think of grape juice, I think that's Welch's. Well, I've asked Donovan before because I hate grape juice.
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I mean, Ocean Spray does, don't they? They make cranberry. Yeah, I think. Cranberry juice.
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I'm decently confident. I know, but I hate grape juice. And I always ask my husband if he'd be willing to drink it for me.
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Do they make grape juice? No, they don't. It's a grape drink. Man. It's not juice. It's drink.
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I would love to talk about the difference between grape juice and grape drink. But it's different. But yeah,
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I hate grape juice. You're saying that's not the topic. Okay, continue. Okay, got it. Okay, got it. Just clarify.
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Just so everyone knows. But at these churches, they'll have their grape drink and their wafers just sitting there.
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And for anybody to grab and do whenever by themselves, take it home.
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They'll have it sitting out, and you'll show up, and you'll grab it, and you'll bring it back to your seat.
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And if you were raised like we were, like if you expected something like what Anna expected, you would have grabbed it, taken it to your seat, and be like,
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Oh, okay, well, instead of handing it out, they just want you to pick it up on your way. That's fine. And then you would have waited for the pastor to be like,
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All right, do this in remembrance of me. But then they would pray out, and then you would just be left there holding your grape juice and your wafer and being like,
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What's going on? So the big question to me is if that happens, is that good?
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Is that bad? Is that an issue? Because right now we have some confused
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Christians out there about this topic. So to be clear, what you're saying is there are some churches that will have the bread and the wine or the bread and the juice, whatever, off to the side for you to take of your own pleasure, of your own choosing, take home, do it whenever, but not altogether.
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Is that what I'm saying? Right. They do not at least set aside a time in the service to do it.
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For a convocation. It's just like at your own discretion. And our task today is to discuss is that good, bad, or neither?
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Yeah. Let's clear up some heads. Okay. Anna, do you want me to start or do you want to start?
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No, you can start. Okay. The Lord's Supper, for my Catholic friends out there, the
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Eucharist, this is a good title. It means thankfulness. Or maybe sometimes called communion.
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Without sounding too harsh, the word communion is community.
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It means a group setting. So if we're asking is that communion, an atheist can answer that by saying no because it's not done in communion.
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What if you called it the Lord's Supper? The Lord's Supper. My answer to that would be is there anything inherently wrong with that?
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My answer would be no. If you're asking me if doing that is what
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God commanded us to do in the New Testament, my answer would also be no. So no, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
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But if you think that is following the guidelines we have set in the
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Scriptures, I think you're mistaken. So maybe just a couple quick examples and then I'll let someone else hop in.
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So first off, at the Last Supper, when Jesus instituted that practice, it was very intimate.
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They were close together. They ate together. They drank together. By the way, at this church, the reason why we normally do them a day that's on big breakfast is because the idea behind it was there was a fellowship and actually eating together.
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And then it was intimate. They prayed. They fellowshiped.
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They talked. They gave thanks together. They took a moment to reflect on, okay, this is my body, which is broken feet.
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That's what this symbolizes. This is my blood of the new covenant for you. So then we fast forward 30 years to Paul, 25 years to Paul, telling the church at Corinth this in 1
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Corinthians 11. He says, when you are gathered together, 1
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Corinthians 11, as often as you do this, you proclaim the
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Lord's death until he comes. The whole point of 1 Corinthians 11 is breaking down disunity, bringing about unity, and the thing that should unify us is the sacrifice of Jesus.
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Don't even take my word for it. If you just read 1 Corinthians 11, you'll see the whole purpose of it, what's supposed to be a unifying thing for all of us.
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So there's just my shotgun approach. Anna, what do you think? I mean, I agree with you on the grounds of it is important for the church body to do that in the aspect of a community.
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Because so oftentimes, I mean, especially before you do communion, like with our church, you know, you repent. You go to the person that you have beef with within the church.
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You get a clean slate. You clear your conscience, per se. And so if you do that individually, it gives you the option to, like, escape into yourself and not to be held accountable by the church body.
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And so I would think that that would be really important. That's just like my take on it. Even, even, just to play
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Hector for a minute. Oh, you need the hat? I need the hat. The hat. More than the
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Hector hat. Okay, Hunter, Anna, Josiah, what do
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I do? Hector's a bratty teenage girl. If Hectora, if maybe
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I can't make it to church on the day we're doing Lord's Communion, if you're saying it needs to be done in the context of local church, what if I'm homebound?
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How does that play into it? Are you asking the question to us or to yourself, but, like, to Pastor Josiah?
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I was asking it to you guys. Okay, I didn't know if this was part of it. But Pastor Jeff, okay, Hector's gone,
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Pastor Josiah's back, so I can also contribute now. Right, okay. Yeah, go for it. Because I do not know.
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I would assume that, like, somebody from the church body, like one of the deacons, would take communion to those homebound people and would be able to do communion with that homebound person.
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So here's what I think. But that's just, you know. I'm not sure that I am convinced it needs to be with a local church because the church is any believer.
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Right? And if it needed to be with the big group, then
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Jesus did it wrong because he only had 11 other guys. Right. So the way
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I'm thinking is so long as you have some type of, you're not doing it by yourself.
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That's my thing. You want to commune and you want to fellowship.
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And in order to do that, it needs to be more than one. So, like, if you're homebound and your family is there and you have that communion, then you can lead that communion and do that there.
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100%. Right. But most of the time if you're homebound, you're an elderly person and you don't have a lot of family.
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Anna's right. And maybe we're not even all aware, that's exactly what we do here.
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I did not know that. Christian went last time. And he took a couple youth with him so he could teach them what it is to minister to somebody.
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That's awesome. Oh, it's fantastic. I love that. Christian's a dude. Yeah. That's exactly what. Now, we took those pre -made ones.
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Yeah. You took the poo -poo ones? How do you? Yeah, that's what he did. The paper wafers. He said he won't be doing that next time.
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I don't think so. Okay, I'll complain about it. What's funny is, now, I don't know that. Doesn't your mom make them? The good ones?
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Yeah. She makes the good ones. They're so scrumptious. Man. I used to hate communion, but now I love it. Oh, yeah.
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It's like a little sweet bread. You just don't like the juice. No, I try to get Donovan to drink it, and he's like, no, you can't.
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Like, I can't do that. You have to drink it. Can I just do a shot of water or something? A shot of water is what she just said.
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You heard it here first, folks. I literally take it like a shot. It's horrible. So, I agree with Anna. I actually agree with what you're saying, too.
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In the sense of the local church, and of course, I do think it's important to be part of a local church.
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I think Jesus would agree. Right. But, as far as communion, the idea is that you are doing it with other believers, not by yourself.
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I think that's a pretty key thing. I think this is an area that we really struggle in, mostly, probably, in the
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United States, and then in certain maybe denominations in the United States. And here's what I mean. Let's see if I can explain this in a connection that makes sense.
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Now, the churches you mentioned earlier probably have great intentions with that. So, I don't want to—
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But we live in a time where everything is so personalized to me, where literally
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I can make it set up on my phone where I never hear an opinion different than mine.
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That's insane to me. We live in a time where everything is about convenience for me, my time, my schedule, my, my, my, my, that I think sometimes we're in danger of letting that mindset bleed into the church sometimes to where we care more about—and
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I say we—we care more about what's convenient rather than what may be best for the body as a whole, what may be more convenient for me.
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I think we all fall into that danger sometimes. And I'm not saying there is a direct line from self -communion to that, but I do think there is a possibility and a danger of it being more of that style of convenient and beneficial to me where I don't have to be vulnerable, where I don't have to fellowship, where I can—what'd you say?
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Isolate myself. Well, and that's what Hunter was saying, too, is a lot of people will try to isolate themselves, especially in today's culture.
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Because think about what you're saying. Jesus said, as often as you eat this bread and drink this wine, you proclaim the
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Lord's death until he comes. You are out loud saying, I'm on this team, and that is my standard of living.
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Well, if you don't do things like that publicly, people don't necessarily hold you to that standard.
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So I think a good question to come from this would be, let's say that you are one of those homebound people that are older and that have nobody.
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Their church does not reach out to them. They don't have any family, and they are just, like, by themselves on their own.
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Is there anything accomplished by them doing the Lord's Supper alone? My answer would be, in that scenario, yes.
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What would be accomplished is you're still being faithful when others wouldn't be. But you should seek every opportunity for it to be in communion as possible.
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That's a sad scenario you just described. I'm afraid that can never be said about any church, at least in this area,
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I would hope. Or any church anywhere. But, yeah, I would say at least you could say that you're being faithful even if others aren't.
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Yeah, that's true. Now here's another question I have for you, based on what you said earlier.
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So earlier you said there's nothing outwardly wrong with it, but it also does not accomplish the goal that Jesus put forth.
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Can we go into a little bit how those two can balance? If we have a goal set by Jesus, right, to do this, and if doing it in a way that does not meet that goal, how can it not be outwardly wrong?
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It's not outwardly wrong to eat bread and drink juice by yourself. But if you think that's communion, you're fooling yourself.
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You're fooling yourself. So it's not like our topic from last week, where it is outwardly wrong.
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There's nothing outwardly wrong with eating bread and drinking wine. But if you think that is, and you doing that is communion, right, then you absolutely—for example, there's nothing wrong with worshiping
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God on the lake. But if you think that replaces the command to be gathered together, you're fooling yourself.
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There's nothing wrong with eating juice and drinking bread and remembering the sacrifice of Jesus, comma.
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But if you think that is a replacement for communion, you're fooling yourself. That's what I was trying to say.
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That's very true. Because we're seeing—I'm noticing a pretty large increase in people who will— and you said worship
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God on the lake, and that's been a joke around here ever since I was a little kid. You know, because it's funny, and it's very true.
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Because so many people do that. It's like, well, the bats are brimming or biting today, so.
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You know, it's sunny. It's, you know, May. It's football season. You know, I can worship God in my chair.
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Right. Right, and it's just like—and right now I'm seeing an influx of people who do not go to church, and they will, you know, maybe watch a sermon in their living room or just, you know, have church in their living room.
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And by have church, I mean they sleep in and make the lunch and have time maybe with their spouse or something.
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But, you know, there's a lot of people saying, yeah, I mean, I can do this from home.
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So what—can we give what specifically might be wrong with that scenario? Can I go?
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I think that scenario was exacerbated with COVID. Because it gave a lot of people—
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For sure. I mean, no churches—yeah, no churches were open. We did, you know, like whatever your dad did, Facebook Live.
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Yeah, I did worship from home. Yeah, you did. I remember that. I was in my living room where I had to go out back so my roommates wouldn't wake up.
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I remember that. I'm trying to remember. I think we ended up being closed for five weeks? It was eight?
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Was it really eight weeks? So what is that? Is that two months? Yeah, that was the most depressing time.
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Oh, it is. Because I told—I remember telling my husband, because our work was open.
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I worked in the medical field at the time, so both my husband and I were going to work, so we were only seeing people that we worked with.
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We weren't seeing our church family, who are also our friends and like, you know, our family family. And so I just remember being so depressed.
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And I'm like, I just—I like don't know how much longer I can go on. But COVID exacerbated that to where churches were closed.
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And then so many people were afraid to return to church after churches opened. There was a lady
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I actually worked with, and her and her husband still to this day have not been back to their church because they are so afraid of getting sick.
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And I feel like— But they are back at Kroger. They are back at the zoo. Yeah, they'll go, and they'll do things like that.
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Well, they'll go, but they still like just try to be off by their own. But they've been so used to isolating themselves, and they're no longer a part of the church body.
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And it's like, to me, that's dangerous because you're not getting that accountability. You're not getting the fellowship that Christ calls for in the
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New Testament. And so I think it's very damaging. And people should just—they're just using it as an excuse at this point.
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Like everything's open now. If you want to wear a mask to make you feel more comfortable, go ahead. It doesn't mean anything. Right. I always like to, when
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I bring hypotheticals or when I bring stuff like this, I always like to give the benefit of the doubt.
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Like, hey, maybe this person legitimately believes they can accomplish the same thing at home with their spouse that they can in the church building.
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But in reality, the majority of the time, somebody told them, hey, what you're doing is wrong, and you need to be held accountable for this, and you need to change that.
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And they said, I'm going to do church on my own house now because I'm tired of this.
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Because that was embarrassing. Or people don't get—like this couple had not been confronted. And they're an older couple.
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They're probably like in their 60s. And so no one had confronted them and be like, hey, you probably should really do this.
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So they've just become comfortable. I don't think they'll ever go back, to be quite honest, because they've just been so comfortable doing this, and it works for them.
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Okay. That sentence. I want everyone to remember that sentence. It works for them. I'll start—okay, you just handled that one.
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And Hunter mentioned the nine times out of ten, we're dealing with people who have excuses for other stuff, and they're just clouding it with—in other words, they didn't want to be held accountable or change their life or whatever.
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Right. But I'll deal with the, if I may, the—what if someone genuinely believed?
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Sure. That they can accomplish the requirements that God has for a church just with their family in the house.
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I'll address that one. With all the love, with all the humility
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I can muster, that shows a profound ignorance of what
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God intends the church to be. Profound. I would struggle to believe anyone has read the
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New Testament with an intention to obey it and come away with that conclusion. I don't mean that to be rude.
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Right. I mean that genuinely. Let me just give you an example. Hebrews 10, 24 and 25.
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Now, if I were to poll the average church -going religious person,
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Muslim, Jewish, Christian, whatever, and ask them, why do you go to church?
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Nine times out of ten, they would say to learn about God. Which, of course, don't hear me say for a moment, is wrong.
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In fact, Hosea says, my people suffer due to a lack of knowledge.
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However, listen to what the writer of Hebrews says our intention for going to church should be. And let us provoke one another to loving good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves, but encouraging each other.
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And all the words you see today drawn here. One more time. And let us exhort, provoke each other to loving good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves, but encouraging each other.
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The writer of Hebrews says you go to church for other people. The writer of Hebrews says, yes, to learn about God.
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And learning about God should inspire your heart to show that love to others.
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You are here to provoke others to loving good works. To encourage others.
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Okay? That can't be done in your house with just your immediate family.
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Strike one. Number two. And this is the part where I'm most uncomfortable saying, and I didn't used to be, because I'm a pastor now, but I have to say the whole counsel of God, so I can't.
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The Bible teaches you to be under church leadership. It's a fact. It's a fact.
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The Bible tells you how that leadership is supposed to be set up. Whether you're a pastor or an elder or a deacon.
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Okay? The Bible says that we should sing songs together. That's what the
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Bible says. The Bible says that there should be preaching in the church.
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The Bible says that we should bear one another's burdens. The Bible says, as iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.
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The Bible says, confess your faults one to another and pray for one another that you may be healed.
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The Bible says, on one's own many fall, but in the counsel of many there is wisdom.
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Book of Proverbs. The Book of Proverbs could almost be used more than a
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New Testament book for describing why you should, quote, go to, quote, church. But at any rate, I don't know how any of those commands can be obeyed in the confines of your own home.
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Period. Now, listen. I said before, there are some homebound ladies I have that do more ministry with their phone.
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It's not one of these phones. With their phone than other people that sit next to members their whole lives but never talk to them.
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But apart from scenarios like that, I just don't know how those commands can be obeyed in the confines of your – and actually, that's not true.
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I do know. They can't. Right. In the confines of your own home. So to anyone who genuinely thinks that,
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I would challenge them to compare that thought process with the Word of God, number one.
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Number two, and just stick with Hebrews 10, 24 and 25. Provoke one another with love and good works. Don't forsake the assembling of ourselves.
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The assembling of ourselves. I don't care if it's in a church building. It doesn't matter to me. Assembling ourselves.
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So anyway, that would be my answer to that. But I would ditto what Anna has already said and what you've already said.
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Nine times out of ten, they got the feelings hurt for something else and trying to find an excuse to not do what
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God commanded them to do. Yeah, and I think that's really a big part of it is those verses that you're sharing to counsel many.
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Like how many did he just share where it said many? So I feel like people run with the idea – because right now we have a whole lot of – the new wave is casual, by the way.
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Millennial on down, if you have any churches run by younger pastors, you'll see these churches with the hip names or whatever.
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The name of the game is casual. And the name of the game is saying, well, you don't need this, that, or the other.
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And so people run with this idea that, yeah, the church is not the building.
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Correct. That's right. That's correct. But they take that idea and say, well, the church is not the building.
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I'm the church. My wife's the church. My son and daughter are the church. We can have church in the house.
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And then they forget that they also need the counsel of many and the accountability of many because I promise, while your spouses can be great accountability partners, they are not sufficient for what you need.
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Absolutely. That would be correct. Yes. So, like, they're a great tool, but if there's only one in your shed, then there's a whole lot not getting done.
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I like that. He extended that analogy. I know. That was good. So let's run with this.
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Communion. All that being said, I wanted to cover the church at home topic because I felt that was the natural branch to this.
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When we have these churches that have the communion stuff set aside for you to grab and take on your own, is it outwardly sinning for that church to have that there for you to do that?
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No. Is it accomplishing anything or fruitful in any way?
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No. Therefore, should they spend the time, money, and space in their building to do it?
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No. Unless they tweak that system a good bit,
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I would start with maybe a time to take it, like as a community.
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Like kind of like an altar call almost. Right. Just a certain time. Anyone who wants to come down and take it, you take it, and then you have the option of taking it with, like, a family unit.
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Correct. Even if they just have that spot and somebody there, and you and your family go up and take it, it can be communion can be you and your family.
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Just you need to have a time to actually do it. So I think can we agree on that?
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Is that a topic covered? I think we can cover that topic pretty well.
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Can I get a time check? Because I have another 323.
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Not bad. That's not bad. All right. Let's run this. Can you read that? No. I don't want this edited out.
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Can you read that right there? No. Did you just write that? Yes. What, the green? Yes. I did it quickly.
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So you wrote that and you can't read it? Well, no, because of the glare. Okay. Okay. Okay. Got it. Do you need those pictures that you sent me?
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No, because I can remember. Okay. Yep. I remember now. Nice. I've got a hypothetical question for you guys.
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Just as a nice. Hypotheticals are like my third favorite category of questions. Hypothetically. I have this friend who is a furry.
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Are you the friend? Okay. Now, so I have this hypothetical questions for you guys.
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I'm just remembering how the podcast ended last week. You thought that was hilarious? God, that was so funny, man. When you said wolf in sheep's clothing,
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I really did. I thought you were saying you're a furry.
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Anyway, hypothetically, let's say that you had access.
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You and you alone had access to this ability.
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Would you want to travel forward in time and visit your own pewter?
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No. No. Okay, but I'm going to have to have a why. I need the exact reasons from both of you.
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Anna, you can start. My initial thought would be I would probably not know some of the people that would be at my funeral.
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Because this is in the future, depending on how far off. We don't know. I don't know how long
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I lived. I don't know all this stuff. I just like being oblivious to certain things.
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I don't need to know things. Like how I died and see how many kids I have and how old they are when
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I die. Or if I die before my husband. No. I just know. See all the family who went before me and who's left.
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No. That made me too sad. What about you, Patrick? I think if I look forward to my funeral, would that also mean when
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I came back, I would know how long it was until I died? It depends on how well you pay attention.
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Yeah, because if you look at the program, you see your date of death. I mean, you can be there for as long as you want.
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If it meant, comma, that there wouldn't be a comma there. If it meant that I would know how
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I died and when I would die, I would say no and here's why. I know a lot of people think, well, if you live like you're dying, you live like every day is your last day.
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I feel like I would negatively, when
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I came back, be concerned with how it was I was going to die and would not do things that I need to do, obedient things, because I'd be concerned with, okay, that will be.
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What if it was a closed casket and you had no idea how you were going to die?
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I don't need all that in my life. Okay, let me give you an example. Like, I'm talking a wizard.
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I always like to go with wizards. A wizard pulls you into a cavern like Shazam and he says,
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I'm going to let you see your funeral. If you say yes, you can come back whenever. I don't see anything fruitful that would happen.
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I only see bad things that would happen. Right, yeah. I only see negative things. What about you?
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Oh, no, it's a definite no for me. Why for you? Okay, so for me, I would not, that would destroy me mentally.
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I don't want to be in a place where I'm present and I'm dead.
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And then I see, you know what my biggest fear is? My biggest fear is, let's say
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I did it right now. And then I go to my funeral and nobody has aged at all.
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And my fiance is standing there and everybody's like, oh my
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God. And then I show up back, I'm like, crap. There's nothing
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I can do. But here's what I've learned while I sat here and I pondered this question for myself. I have a theory that anybody who says yes to the question has an issue with self -importance.
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Why? Because I feel like. Oh, they want to see who's there and how many people are there. Yeah. I feel like that question is designed for the people who want to be like, who's all sad?
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Who's all there? Sounds like a teenage girl. If you look right now and Anna wasn't there and then you came back, you'd be like, hey,
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Anna, how are you doing? Hey, Anna, screw you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you got more important things? I know you're about to die.
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I died. I know you're not dead. You better hope you were dead. That's a good point, though, that you made.
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Because a lot of us and I'm going like with teenagers, because a lot of them are like very conceited and just think about like, you know, some are suicidal and they think like, oh, you would all be at my funeral.
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It's like, stop. I say that lovingly. I don't care what my funeral is like, you know, for me.
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I don't care. I'm going to be dead. I'm going to be in paradise. Like, I don't care. Do whatever what you want.
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You know, hold on. Hold on. You know what my husband said he was going to do with my ashes? What? Because I was just going to be
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Korean. Spread them from the tallest peaks in all the realm? No. You want to know what he said he would do to them? Knowing Donovan, oh,
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I'm scared to say. But do you think it would be like something sentimental and like heartfelt? Put him in some chest and then play a game with,
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I don't know what. He said he'd throw them in the trash. I was like. Donovan. I was like, are you freaking kidding me?
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And he's just like, yeah, just throw them in the trash. Next podcast topic, affection toward your spouse. Special guest
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Donovan. And he's like, no, I wouldn't do that. I don't know. We talked about like putting them in like some of my favorite flowers or whatever, like planting them.
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But I'm like, you would legit throw them. I said, no, I'm throwing you in the trash because you'll probably die before me. I'm throwing you in the trash.
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Yeah. Why do you think Donovan is going to die before you? Because he told me he cannot.
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I cannot die first. He said. He said he's going to. I was about to say. He said
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I can't die first. Will this be reviewed by the police later? Yeah. I'm going to fact check myself real quick because I just lied and I realized
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I lied. I've always wanted a Viking funeral. Oh, to be sent off like. I want to be sent off and I want my eldest son to set me ablaze.
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Dude, that'd be awesome. Wouldn't that be awesome? I kind of wonder. Down the Mississippi? You can do anything.
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I don't care if it's in a pond. I just want me in a little boat filled with kindling and lighter fluid and then my eldest son to shoot a bow and arrow the way
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I taught him. That's pretty much it. But here's what I want to happen. I want to be there. And he misses the first one.
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And he misses the second one. And he misses the third one. And he misses the fourth one. And then the wind blows the boat right back to where we were.
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Start all over. And then Pastor whispers, you're such a disappointment. That would be hilarious, though.
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But that's pretty legit. Isn't that cool? That's awesome. That's the only reason I would say yes is I would just want to see, did you make it a
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Viking funeral? That would have been dope. But if not, I understand because I'm dead. At that point, it's for you more than me.
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But I'm just like, wouldn't that be cool? Well, my dad passed away a few years ago. And my brother was a lot closer to my dad when he died.
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And he was just so, like, I could tell he was overcome by just being overwhelmed with the whole situation and, like, trying to make it perfect.
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And, like, my dad wanted, like, a particular casket. But it was, like, no joke, $8 ,000.
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And I looked at my brother. I said, we cannot afford that. Dad is dead. He will not know anything.
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We are just going to pay for whatever we can afford. And that was when I think my brother was, like, 26 and I was, like, 22.
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And I'm like, he's dead. He's not going to know anything. It's going to be buried in the ground. You know what's cheap?
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Setting me on fire while I float out into the pond. You just get a little canoe. It's a bottle of lighter fluid and something that floats.
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You know what I'm saying? That's why you just go to Mississippi and no one asks questions. I've got an office quote I've got to share. When you just said that, it's welling up within me.
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Yeah. Michael goes to the, was it the, how do you say that word?
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Diwali? The Diwali thing with, is that right? I've never watched Diwali.
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Yeah, Diwali. And Kelly's there and the whole family and there's a lot of people celebrating the
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Hindu festival, Diwali. And then Michael thinks he's got s'mores. And it's not s'mores at all.
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It's something spicy. And then the camera's like, why would you try that? And he goes, it's graham cracker, marshmallow, and chocolate.
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How hard would that have been? So when you say, it's lighter fluid and an arrow.
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Come on. Yeah, that's definitely the coolest way to die. Guys, that's going to be it for the podcast today.
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I just want to point out, the comments would agree. You helped none with me as far as like me at the end when
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I was trying to do this. Because it was your job. I told you I wasn't going to be good at it. You sure did. Well, you know what?
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How about we all do this job together? But until next time, deuces.