April 30, 2024 Show with Dr. Joseph C. Morecraft III on “A Biblical Response to Terrorism”

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I love to interview, and I know he has become a favorite guest of many of our listeners on Iron Shepherd's Iron Radio.

His name is Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III. He is the pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming, Georgia, and the author of an eight -volume commentary in the

Westminster Larger Catechism called Authentic Christianity. Today we are going to be addressing the very timely topic, a biblical response to terrorism, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Shepherd's Iron Radio, Dr.

Joe Moorcraft. It is always a privilege, Chris, always a privilege. And right away

I would like you to give an update on something that I've already, last week begun, or maybe even the week before that, begun to announce, a prayer request

I began to announce on your behalf to our listeners for that precious little baby who is your granddaughter,

Rebecca Hope, who has a very serious, life -threatening heart condition and who was born at just a little over three pounds and has still not gained any weight since then.

And the praise report I know about this whole situation is that your granddaughter has already outlived the expectations of her physicians.

But if you could pick up where I left off there. Well, thank you for praying for her.

We don't know. We don't know the outcome. It is life -threatening, and I have a hole in the heart, difficulty breathing, and I she has already lived longer than we expected.

So all I can say is just continue to pray. We definitely will. And that's

Rebecca Hope, the granddaughter of my guest today, Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III and his wonderful wife,

Becky. Well, also now, if you could explain with a brief description the

Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming, Georgia. Cumming, Georgia, is the county seat of a bedroom county just north of Atlanta, Georgia, Forsyth County.

And we're a small congregation. We have been in existence about 10 years, about 10 years.

And people come from all over the place. They not only come from places locally, some people drive all the way from Knoxville, which is three and a half hours or so.

Wow. And our church continues to grow. This past Sunday, we had a full house and mostly this past Sunday was young adults.

But we have people from every age, race, and we praise the

Lord for them. We're committed to the Westminster Confession of Faith and Catechisms.

We're dedicated to the Great Commission. Everything we do, we do hopefully for the glory of God.

We try to teach our people to live for his glory and for the enjoyment of him in their lives.

We are taking some more people into the church next Sunday. So God continues to bless us.

We have all kinds of evangelistic and missionary outreaches. And we pray.

We praise the Lord for the way he has blessed us over the past 10 years from about 23 or four people to 75 or 80 people.

Oh, praise God. If anybody has interest in finding out more about Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming, Georgia, go to HeritagePresbyterianChurch .com,

HeritagePresbyterianChurch .com. And if you want to find out more about the eight volume commentary that Dr.

Moorcraft has written on the larger Westminster Catechism, you can go to WestminsterCommentary .com,

WestminsterCommentary .com. And by the way, I have a bit of good news.

A reformed Anglican who saw my promotion of our interview today with the description that you are the author of the eight volume commentary,

Authentic Christianity. He responded by wanting to order the commentaries and asking for how he would do that.

And I gave him that website, WestminsterCommentary .com.

Well, that is great. I wish every Anglican would buy my commentary. And today we are addressing something very timely, something very important, a biblical response to terrorism.

And right away, I'm going to give our audience our email address. If you have any questions of your own, send them to ChrisArnzen at gmail .com,

C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail .com. Give us your first name at least, city and state and country of residence if you live outside of the

USA. And if you could provide for us a true definition of the word terrorism, because as you know, in our day and age,

Christians handing out tracts against the sin of homosexuality would be considered by many an act of terrorism, or open air preaching would be considered an act of terrorism by many, and that kind of nonsense and slander.

What is terrorism, in your opinion, really mean? I think, if people want a good explanation of it, get

Rush Dunney's book, Institutes of Biblical Law. He has a long essay in there on the subject, very, very useful, because people are not aware of exactly what terrorism is.

Terrorism is not just a deadly thing. Terrorism is not just when people kill other people mercilessly.

Terrorism is a philosophical thing that we must not lose sight of its goal.

It is revolutionary. It's not just killing people for the sake of killing people.

Terrorism intimidates and kills in order to subdue people so as to bring about a revolutionary change in society.

So the terrorism is revolutionary, and it is something that must be opposed wherever we see it raise its ugly head, terrorism or the spirit of terrorism.

I've been studying the whole subject of terrorism from a biblical perspective since the 70s, when

Congressman Larry McDonald was going to write a series of books on all the terroristic organizations in the world at that time.

And he wanted me to write an introduction to each of those books on what the

Bible says about terrorism. So I've been studying that subject ever since then.

In the Bible, the first terrorists were the

Amalekites, and Amalek was the grandson of Esau, and don't forget

God hated Esau, and Esau was an enemy of the people of God.

Amalek was his grandson. There was all kinds of sibling rivalry in those early days of God's covenant people, and many times they were reconciled, like Jacob and Esau.

But there was one rivalry that was never reconciled, and that was

Amalek. Amalek hated the people of God. Jacob stole his grandfather's birthright and blessing.

He never could get over that, and so his life was dominated by revenge for the people of God.

Terrorism is not only a political thing. It not only is revolutionary.

But terrorism is also religious, because the motive behind terrorism is it is a war against God and his moral order.

You want to sing a good psalm on Sunday about terrorism? Sing Psalm 2.

Oh, yeah. Where it talks about the kings of the earth taking counsel against the

Lord and his anointed, trying to break free from his moral order, which they interpret as chains, as inhibitors to freedom.

So Psalm 2 gives us a great description of terrorism and God's response to it and what our response should be.

One of the greatest stories in the Bible is about how the wars between Amalek and Israel, they were always at war with each other.

Sometimes Israel lost, most of the time Israel won. But Amalek hated

Israel and was seeking to destroy it. And one of the best stories is in Exodus chapter 17, verses 14 through 16.

There you have the Amalekites attacking the Israelites who were weary, thirsty, couldn't find any water, been traveling through the desert.

And the Amalekites took advantage of that situation and sought to destroy them.

I want to read two verses from the Bible on what God says should be the attitude of God's people and everybody toward Paris.

Exodus 17, 14 through 16.

Then the Lord said to Moses, write this on a scroll as something to be remembered and make sure that Joshua hears it.

Now, what's important about that sentence? That's the first time in the Bible God ever told anybody to write a book.

And of course, we see the development of the Bible. This is one of those places where we can see the

Bible beginning to grow. And what God told Moses to write was about how the

Amalekites treated the people of God so the world would never forget what they did.

So let me read it again. Write this on a scroll or something to be remembered and make sure that Joshua hears it because I, and this is

God talking now, I will completely erase the memory of the

Amalekites from under heaven. Moses built an altar and called it the

Lord is my victory banner. He said, for hands were lifted up to the throne of God.

The Lord will be at war against the Amalekites from generation to generation.

So the Amalekites must have done something terrible to the

Hebrew church of the old Testament, the covenant people of God, for God to be so vigorously opposed to them so that God said,

I will erase the very memory of Amalek from under heaven.

And he said, because of what they've done to my people, the Lord will wage war against the

Amalekites from generation to generation. And I understand this is not a racist thing.

This is not an issue of genocide. This is not a, an issue of destroying a people simply because they are of a different race or a different group than your particular ethnic group.

That's what the liberal media is trying to make of the war in Israel today. And Christians sometimes are so ignorant of what's going on in the world that it's easy for the liberals to influence them.

Understand that the war in Israel today is not an ethnic war between the

Palestinians and the Israelites. The war in Israel today is a sovereign nation fighting to defend itself against a vicious terrorist group called

Hamas. Christians must make sure that 20, 30 years ago,

Netanyahu wrote a great book on terrorism. But anyway, so the war is not against Israel and the

Palestinians. What makes what, what makes, go ahead. I'm sorry. You can complete your thought.

The war is not, the war is not between, it is between Israel and Palestinians. It's a war between a nation and a terrorist group that is out to destroy that nation.

Amen. And what makes your view on this even more interesting than perhaps your average evangelicals position is that you are saying this, you are saying this in defense of the state of Israel today, even though you do not believe that the present day state of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy, nor do you believe that it's the same nation that existed in the

Hebrew Scriptures. I believe that's exactly what

I believe, that when the United Nations made

Israel a nation in 1948, that was not the fulfillment of prophecy. That was the cause of all the wars that have been going on in the

Middle East ever since. But a nation has the right to defend itself.

Yes. And in fact, it may surprise many people, but the conservative

Jews and especially the Hasidic Jews were extremely vociferously, adamantly opposed to the forming of the nation of Israel in the mid 20th century.

And the Hasidic Jews, not all of them, but a good deal of them, a good percentage of them, still are opposed to the nation claiming that Israel is the only nation that I know of that had to fight to defend its right to protect itself.

Right. And this is the second time Israel had to fight for her right to protect herself.

You know when the first time was? When? Esther, Haman, Haman, the prime minister of the king, was an

Amalekite. In fact, he was an Agagite, which means he was a member of the

Amalekite royal family. And so that gives a whole different perspective on Esther, but let me read another passage.

Deuteronomy chapter 25, verses 17 through 19. This is the

Lord. Remember what the Amalekites did to you along the way when you came out of Egypt, when you were weary and worn out, they met you on your journey and cut off all who were lagging behind.

They had no fear of God. When the Lord, your God, gives you rest from all the enemies around you in the land, he is giving you to possess as an inheritance.

You shall blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven.

Do not forget. Wow. And so what Amalek and his descendants did was when the people of God were coming out of Egypt after having been in slavery for several hundred years, walking through a hot desert for 40 more, the

Amalekites would attack them on the edges of these people. The Hebrew people, the

Hebrew church had about three million people marching through the wilderness. And so it was always on the edges of those people that the old men and the old women, the pregnant women, the little children, the sick, the weary, the stragglers, were always attacked by the

Amalekites. They didn't attack the men, the soldiers of the

Hebrew people. It was always the weak and the vulnerable that they attacked.

And God said, because of the way they treated my people like that. And remember the

Bible, Israel's called, the church is called the apple of God's eye.

And anybody that mistreats God's people has God himself to deal with.

Amen. So, so what do Christians think today? Oh, let me tell you the other side of the coin.

Terrorism, the motivation is they're at war with God, our

God, not just any God, not the God of the Hindus, not the

God of the Buddhists, but Jehovah is the

God they're at war with. And God is at war with them.

Terrorists hate Jehovah. Jehovah hates terrorism and hates terrorists.

So there is a perpetual war between all terrorists and the living and true

God, because the terrorists are trying always to overturn his sovereignty.

They hate his moral order. And because we live in a humanistic world, the use of terrorism, said

Rushdini, is a routine political fact in this modern world of humanism.

And we have to go to our first commercial break. So we'll pick up where you left off after you quoted Rushdini. And if anybody, again, would like to join us with questions of your own, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail dot com.

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chrisarnson at gmail dot com. If you have a question, give us your first name at least city and state and country of residence. Before I go to any listener questions,

I want you to pick up where you left off. You were recommending a book by R .J. Rushdooney that ties in with our with our subject today.

Rushdooney wrote one of the most important books in the 20th century. Called Institutes of Biblical Law, Volume one, and showing how the details of the law of God in the

Bible relate to all of the political and religious and economic and social issues of the 20th century.

And in that book is a an essay. On terrorism, explaining very carefully and wisely what it is.

And what's what God's attitude is toward it and what a

Christian's attitude toward it and how a Christian is to respond to the spirit of a of Amalek that's still very much alive in the 21st century,

Christians have got to keep in their mind the heart of what terrorism is.

Terrorism is a religious war by those who hate

Jehovah and who cannot stand or will refuse to tolerate his moral or social order until they'll do whatever they have to do, including suicide bombers.

To break free from that order, I get very weary when there's a suicide bomber.

Killing people and people say concerning that suicide bomber that he's crazy. He's not crazy.

He's not crazy at all. The reason that Americans think he's crazy is because they cannot imagine a man being so dedicated to his

God that he's willing to sacrifice his life for it. And so we must understand that these are religious people and that they hate

America. They hate Christian America and they

God's attitude toward them is they must be eradicated. That civil magistrates cannot be neutral.

They cannot be mild in their response to them. They must be definite and severe in their response to terrorists, because if you deal with terrorism with a salt pan, they'll only become more violent and their violence will become more perverted.

So the civil magistrates deal with terrorists.

It must be completely just. And not with a velvet hand.

And people have asked me on more than one occasion why

God is so severe in the Bible of the Amalekites. I mean, he's just there's another verse

I didn't even read. First Samuel, chapter 15, verses two and three. Samuel said to King Saul, I am the one the

Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel. So listen now to the message from the

Lord. This is what the Lord Almighty says, I will punish the

Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt.

Now, go attack the Amalekites, totally destroy everything that belongs to them.

Do not spare them, but to death men, women and children and infants and cattle and sheep and camels and doggies.

Now, why in the world would a God of love and a God of mercy be so severe and so harsh?

On the Amalekites that he wants to wipe them out, the very memory out of existence,

God is never unjust. God is a righteous judge.

Who judges rightly? And he would never mistreat somebody, he never would treat anybody unjustly.

God loves his people, he doesn't love the Amalekites, God loves his people and by his people,

I mean his covenant people, and they were his covenant people. Galatians 3, 29 says those who belong to Jesus Christ by faith, regardless of ethnic origin, are the heirs of the covenant promises of God and the seed of Abraham.

So the true seed of Abraham, from a Christian perspective, is not an unbelieving

Jewish person, it is those people that believe in the

Lord Jesus Christ, whether they are Jew or Gentile, regardless of their ethnic origin.

And anybody that mistreats the children of Abraham, that is, those who belong to Christ by faith, anybody that mistreats them, they have

God to deal with. And so God fully intends to defend his people.

And when he says these harsh things, seemingly harsh things about how they are to be treated, that they are to be waged war against from generation to generation and all that, there's nothing unjust about it at all.

What is justice from God's perspective? The average Christian doesn't even understand what justice is, just because they think it's an economic thing, because they're committed to social justice, where there should be an equal distribution of wealth.

But that's not justice. Justice as defined by God means that the heinousness of a crime determines the severity of the punishment, because the punishment must always fit the crime.

Let me say that again. Justice as defined by God means that the heinousness, the wickedness of a crime determines how severe that criminal is to be punished by the state, because the punishment must fit the crime.

People, Christians today are so ignorant. There's a verse they hate.

There's a verse that they say, we're glad we're not under the old test of it anymore, and yet this verse defines the essence of justice from God's perspective.

And that is this. When a crime is committed, somebody's injured or deprived, they must become punished according to the

I for I, life for life principle in the

Bible. That's why we believe abortion is murder. That's why we believe that anybody that participates in or contributes to the abortion of an unborn baby is a criminal and should be punished as a criminal, because the principle of justice is an

I for an I, and a tooth for a tooth, and life for life, if somebody drives down the road and kills, deliberately kills somebody by running them over, he should die, life for life.

If somebody drives down the road and kills a butterfly, he should not die.

That would be completely unjust for killing somebody for killing a butterfly, but it is perfect justice to demand the life of someone who has deliberately and wickedly taken the life of another person.

Now you'll immediately hear some evangelicals have Matthew 5, 38 through 48 pop into their heads and they'll say, wait a minute,

Pastor Joe, Jesus said, you have heard it, you have heard it, that it was said an

I for an I and a tooth for a tooth, but I say to you, do not resist an evil person, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat. Also, whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him to give to him who asks and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.

So how do you, how do you, uh, that passage has been quoted to me many times, and, uh, it's, it's because they see a conflict between what

I'm saying in that passage, it's because they don't understand the context of what it's saying, uh, if a

Jesus is addressing, uh, ordinary people in their ordinary life, he says it also in the

Sermon on the Mount, I don't take oaths, let you yes be yes and you no be no, but he's not talking about judges, political officials, he's already told them to be faithful.

Every oath they take, he's just telling his disciples, be honest, be truthful.

So that when you say yes or no, and you promise things, you don't need to add an oath to it in everyday life.

And the same thing with, uh, taking the idea of slap you on one cheek, uh, turn your head and let him slap you on another cheek, or if they take your clothes, let them take your coat too, uh, that contradicts what

God has taught elsewhere in the Bible, the Bible clearly teaches that we have the right of self -defense.

Now, when somebody seeks to do us harm or any member of our family harm, we have the

God given, not the right, but the God given duty to defend ourselves and defend our families when it's there.

And so slapping, somebody slapping you on the face and you tearing the other cheek, that's not a life threatening situation, but that's insulting.

That does not involve self -defense. It's somebody slapping you on one side and now you are insulted.

They take your coat, you give them your cloak. Now who in the world would do something like that?

Somebody with a sword in his hand. A Roman, a

Roman, a Roman soldier. So if a Roman soldier comes up to you and insults you, don't stand there and please your rights, turn the cheek because he has a sword and you don't, and when somebody takes your coat, says,

I want you to carry this a mile down the road, and that's probably a

Roman soldier, you'd carry it two miles because that means you got him at least two further miles away from your family.

So Jesus was very wise in the counsel he gave to his disciples there. I'd hate to live in a world where Christians, some reformed

Christians and evangelical Christians, interpret the Bible in the way they do now, that we have the right of self -defense, just like a nation has the right of self -defense.

And, uh, but if you're dealing with somebody that has the power to kill you and you do not have the equivalent power to defend yourself, if he asked you to do something like carrying his coat or slapping you on the face, don't argue with him, get him away from your house, get him away from your family, and pray that God would continue to defend you.

Now, you have the right of self -defense. Yeah. I was just going to say that, um, during the height of the

COVID crisis, I had different sides of, uh, the, the question on how far do

Christians go to obey the government. And there was one of my guests who was taking the side against my own views, uh, was using this passage, uh, to, uh, basically instruct us in his opinion to, uh, if the government says, wear a mask, no matter how stupid you think it is, you go even further than that.

You wear two masks. If they say, wear the mask inside during a gathering of a lot of people, you go even further.

You wear that mask outside or those masks outside. And if the government says you got to stay six feet away from somebody while online at the

Department of Motor Vehicles, you stay 12 feet away, you know, and on and on and on we could go. How, how is this person misrepresenting the text?

Well, it is amazing how many ignorant Christians we have and how many slaves we have. There, there are more,

I hope I don't offend anybody, but there are more slaves in the United States today than were in 1861.

And these slaves, and these slaves are slaves to the federal government.

We are written to render to Caesar while longs to Caesar and what the

Caesar, what we do, we owe him. Romans 13 says, oh, no one, nothing except love, which is obedience to the law of God.

So the only thing we owe the federal government of the United States is obedience to God's law.

And people have been so brainwashed. I mean, one mask is, is very unhealthy.

I mean, they, they assume the government knows what it's talking about when it says that masks are healthy, preventative of COVID.

There's no proof of that whatsoever. Masks are extremely unhealthy. That's right.

My doctor, my, my physician has been always opposed to the mask wearing saying that any, any first year medical student knows that that would never in a million years prevent the spread of a virus.

And he also is still very extremely opposed to the

COVID vaccine and gives documented medical reasons on his website why you should not take the vaccine.

Yes. So, uh, understand that when there's somebody, whether it's an individual or an institution that is trying to dismantle

God's social order and impose upon the people another law than the law of God, it becomes a threat to you.

There's two chapters in the Bible, Romans 13 and revelation 13 in Romans 13.

It says that, uh, the civil magistrate should be our servant, a servant of the people for good, a servant of God for good.

But then in revelation 13, it says that the civil government is a beast.

That's an enemy of the people. So what causes a civil magistrate to cease being a servant and to start being a beast, they start imposing upon the people, another law than the law contained in Holy scripture.

You read in revelation where the beast requires you to carry a mark, the mark of the beast on your wrist, on your forehead.

And if you don't bear that mark, you don't get jobs, you can't buy food. And of course it's directly aimed at Christians.

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and put your first name at least, city and state, and country of residence. Before I go to any of our listener questions,

Dr. Moorcraft, I want you to pick up about the Mark of the Beast, a very controversial subject that divides evangelicals.

If you could pick up where you left off there. Well, there are a lot of figures of speech in the book of Revelation.

In fact, the first two verses of the book of Revelation tells us that we're not to take it literally, but we're to take it figuratively, and most of the figures of speech in the book of Revelation have already been used somewhere earlier in the

Bible. So we have to read the whole Bible so we can understand the book of Revelation.

And when you see figures of speech, look earlier in the

Old Testament or New Testament where those figures may be used. Like, for instance, in the book of Deuteronomy, it calls upon believers to have a mark on their hands and on their foreheads and on their eyes and on their tongues.

And that mark is the law of God. So that we as Christians obey the law of God, not to make points with God, because we're his children and we want to please him.

So in the book of Revelation, when it talks about wearing a mark, requiring a mark on your wrist and on your forehead, you've got to see that in terms of of what the

Old Testament has already said about a mark. In fact, even Hasidic Jews today misunderstand their own

Hebrew scriptures and wear those small black leather boxes on their heads and hands, they're called the phylacteries or the teflon, that contain scrolls.

And those commands to wear the law of God on your forehead and on your hands were never meant to be literal.

That was never intended for you to wear one of those on your forehead, the little black box, because it also says you're supposed to wear the law of God on your eyes.

Right. It's hard to see you've got a little black box on your eyes. It says that you're to wear the law of God on your tongue.

It's hard to speak if you have a little black box on your tongue. So the point is, the point is not that we wear these little black boxes, but we let the law of God govern everything we see, everything we hear, everything we say, everything we do with our hands.

And that's the law of God. So then when you come to the book of Revelation, and it talks about the beast requiring of us another mark than what

God requires, is talking about a tyrannical civil government who is forcing us to live by another law than the law of God contained in Holy Scripture.

So a tyrant, as far as the Bible is concerned, is not simply a

Stalin or an Idi Amin or a

Mao Zedong. A tyrant is any civil government that tries to force us to live by another law than the law of God contained in Holy Scripture.

That's the mark of the beast. That's where the civil government becomes a beast when it tries to get us to live by another law than the law of God contained in Holy Scripture.

One thing I want to emphasize is when it comes to fighting terrorism, it is the responsibility of the state, the church, and the family, all three, to fight terrorism tooth and nail.

How does the state do it? In Romans 13, the state is said to be a terrorist of evildoers, that it is to bring the vengeance of God to bear against all those who are criminal in their behavior.

So the state has the responsibility to be just and to be severe in that justice and punishing anybody that would seek to overturn

God's moral order or injure anybody or force anybody to live by another law than that contained in Holy Scripture.

So the state is to terrorize evildoers. It's to punish evildoers. It's not to redistribute the wealth.

It is to punish evildoers and to punish them severely the way God says crime should be punished.

How does the church do it? The church fights terrorism by the preaching of the

Word of God. Now, you're not going to fight terrorism alone and get it to win with just the preaching of the

Word of God. The state must be strong. The state must be just. The state must be severe.

It must be strict in its maintenance of its moral order. But it also has to include the church preaching the

Word of God. I'll tell you two examples as possibilities the people that you're listening to could do.

Our church is a little church, 75 people. But we have already sent two mission trips to south of the border in Mexico and one in Cuba where there are these tent cities where terrorists are coming in with other illegal aliens.

And we send a team of five or ten men to go down to these tent cities and to preach the gospel.

We pay for everything. The state pays nothing. So even a church as little as an hour can oppose terrorism by the preaching of the gospel in these tent cities.

But there's another way, too. Back in the 80s, for about 15 years,

I would go to South Africa. And one time

I was called to come into the office of the general who is responsible for military intelligence.

And he said, Mr. Moorcraft, we want you to know why we brought you here.

And I said, we brought you here? No, I don't know. He said, well, we brought you here, paid your way here, published your book here, paid for all of your preaching assignments here.

He said, that's because we fight terrorism. We kill terrorists.

We kill them overtly. And we kill them subvertly.

And a killing terrorist is not going to render

South Africa secure. And so we have brought you down here so that you can preach the gospel to anybody that we can get a hold of.

On television stations, in churches, in military camps, because what's going to render

South Africa secure is the killing of terrorists by the state and the preaching of the gospel by the church.

So the church has to take seriously. Christians have been so confused what they've been told by television newscasters and social justice people is, we just need more love.

If we're more loving, love is not the answer to terrorism.

You have other Christians that says that we must be sympathetic with their needs.

Sympathy with the needs of a terrorist will only lead to more terrorism.

Amen. Some Christians say, well, we just got to be more evangelistic.

Well, that is true. And I've just shown you how you can be evangelistic. But it's not evangelism alone that's going to end terrorism.

It's going to be evangelism, the preaching of the gospel, and the strict and just pursuit of terrorists by the state.

Then what about the family? Now there's a family fight terrorism. Number one, by the father having the means in his house to kill a terrorist who would come into his house and do his family harm.

And the same thing with the church. In our church, we tell people, when you've come to our church, you're safer than you've been in a long time.

That if any terrorist tried to come in our house, in our church or our house, they would be dead.

But then also there's another way. Let me read to you this quote by Rush Dooney.

Rush Dooney points out the positive ways the Amalekites of today must be dealt with.

The education that breeds

Amalekites must be replaced with Christian education.

Churches which are congregations of Amalek must be replaced with Christian churches which believe, teach, and apply the whole word of God.

The state must become Christian and apply biblical law to every area of life and must enforce the full measure of God's law.

The permissive family must give way to the Christian family. Only then can

Amalek be destroyed. Amen. And one thing to clarify when you said love is not the answer to thwart terrorists.

In one sense, I believe it is in a very powerful sense in that you're demonstrating love towards the potential victims of terrorism and even more importantly toward God and his word.

Am I... Exactly right. Right. Well, we have Althea... I was talking as a liberal would talk.

Right, exactly. That we got to love the terrorists. If we love the terrorists, they'll love us back.

Right. Which is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Right, and of course, they never view things that way when they are talking about conservative evangelicals.

But in fact, as I said earlier, they identify us as terrorists very often. But we have

Althea... Oh, they do, in fact. Excuse me, let me interrupt you by telling you how they have done it.

Uh, there... When I was running for Congress, there was a syndicated newspaper column that went to newspapers all over America.

And it said this. It said that the modern terrorist and Taliban in America is the

Calvinist because it is Calvinism. And it is the view that my

God is the only God that breeds terrorism.

Now, that's what they really believe. Right. They really believe that the today's

Calvinist is the modern Taliban. And they're serious about it.

Yep. And that's why they can be so vicious. Yep. I mean, the

Taliban and the modern modern terrorist is really committed to a jihad of erasing, not the

Amalekites, but erasing the Reform faith and the influence of the

Reform faith from American culture. Mm -hmm. That's not an exaggeration.

Right. And we've got to understand that that is the situation. They will not be happy until the

Reform faith is dead and the United States is something different than what it was created to be.

Amen. So when they do things, when they do things that are, and say things that are particularly anti -Christian, it's not accidental.

They're not being stupid. Mm -hmm. They know exactly what they're doing.

Yes, they do. And we do have Althea in Table Rock, Missouri, who says, how do you respond to the liberals and even a very tiny segment of conservative

Christians, especially in Great Britain, who say that the patriots here in America were guilty of terrorism when they threw the tea off of the ship in Boston Harbor at the

Boston Tea Party. And also, they would claim that they are just doing the same thing that the patriots did back then.

And also, the ones that are against what the

Revolutionary War stood for say that the American colonists were violating

Romans 13. Yeah, I've heard that too.

And in fact, I know Reform people that believe that. Yes, there are. And it's so discouraging when they do say that.

The American War of Independence was a thoroughly biblical war because it was not just a bunch of farmers and country boys that got their guns together and decided to fight the

British. It was 13 sovereign states who mustered legal armies to defend those states.

There was nothing vigilante about them. There was nothing illegal about them.

It was legal from beginning to end. And so Americans can't be confused about that either.

The American War of Independence was a war fought to defend a

Christian moral order against a massive empire that wanted to destroy that order.

Nothing unbiblical about that. Self -defense is fairly biblical. So I grow very weary of Christians who say things like that when they haven't even done their homework.

That's right. They haven't read books about the American War of Independence.

They don't even know exactly what it was, what it was fought for. And if we read the

Declaration of Independence, we'll see that it's simply a document that was shaped and influenced by the theology of the great

Scottish reformer, John Knox. And it was not them acting like vigilantes.

It was a colony saying that we have entered into a covenant with the

King of England. And we are to be faithful to that covenant.

Unless the king should be unfaithful to his side of the covenant.

And then if the king breaks covenant with us, he becomes a despot and we're no longer accountable to obey him.

And so the covenant is broken. And you can go through the Declaration of Independence and see that was their attitude.

The before the colonies declared their independence of Britain, Mecklenburg County in where Charlotte, North Carolina is declared its independence before the colonies declared their independence.

And they accused the king of breaking covenant with him and therefore being a threat to their lives.

And the reason Mecklenburg County declared its independence from England before the colonies is because Mecklenburg County had the highest percentage of Scottish Presbyterians in any county in the

United States. And these Presbyterians, of course, were all going to follow

John Knox. By the way,

I have an important announcement to make that I just received. Pastor Josh Bice of Praise Mill Baptist Church in Douglasville, Georgia, a dear friend of mine and a mutual dear friend of Dr.

James R. White, for whom we asked for prayer in the beginning of the show. Josh Bice is also founder and president of G3 Ministries.

He says that Dr. White's condition is not life threatening, thank

God, and should be resolved very soon. So I just wanted to give you folks that update.

Wonderful. Well, also, I just found out five minutes ago that my little grandbaby gets to come home.

Oh, praise God. Hallelujah. Yeah. In the next couple of days.

Oh, praise God. Yeah. Just to pick up where you left off when you were saying that terrorists are by definition revolutionaries.

I have a couple of questions. One, does that mean we should stop calling the

War of Independence the Revolutionary War? And number two, when

Christians are seeking through the political arena and through even through evangelism as well, to overturn our current leftist government's positions on homosexuality and abortion, that could be viewed as revolutionary by many.

In fact, it is viewed as revolutionary by leftists. So how do you answer both of those questions?

The first thing I would say is that what was the first one?

Should we stop calling the War of Independence that we had with the British? Oh, yeah. The Revolutionary War.

Yeah. I think the American War of Independence was not a revolution. Right. The revolution was the

French Revolution of 1789. That was a real revolution. And that was vehemently anti -Christian.

Yeah, that was the first war of its kind in the history of the world, because its purpose was to eradicate

Christianity from France. Right. Whereas the American War of Independence was to defend the

Christian moral order. It was a war of self -defense.

It was not a revolution. In a revolution, you try to destroy the authorities of the civil government.

We didn't try to destroy anybody's authority. We just wanted freedom from the tyranny of the beast of Great Britain.

So I never call. It takes thought. You got to remember it. But I never call the

American War of Independence a revolution. It's so important to teach people the difference between the

American War of Independence and the war of the French Revolution.

The French Revolution was the first war of its kind, an attempt to eradicate

Christianity from France. The war of American Independence was to defend and uphold a

Christian moral order. It was a war of self -defense. Amen.

What was the second thing? Oh, the second thing was how do you respond to liberals and leftists who say that that what evangelicals are attempting to accomplish is an act of revolution, because we are literally trying to overturn what we view as a wicked government.

We are trying to return to a constitutional government, not to overturn the government of the

United States, but to get it back to its original position with laws that reflect the law of God and not the laws of man.

I mean, I've never even heard that. That excuse before. Well, how would then a

Christian view a country that never had a constitutional republic and perhaps is being governed in a similar wicked way that we are enduring, or even something on the opposite end of the extreme,

Christians under Sharia law who want to topple that kind of a government, wouldn't they not be revolutionary?

They would. They would be people who were trying to overturn an anti -Christian, tyrannical government to have freedom for their people.

Yeah. So that if people who are living in Muslim countries, they first of all, should try to evangelize the country.

And then secondly, to seek to overturn any laws that are in their government that are not based upon the law of God.

So are you saying that that would be that would be a good kind of revolutionary?

I wouldn't call him a revolutionary. I would call him somebody who's, yeah, I would call him somebody who's trying to restore

God's moral order to the civil order of that particular country. Okay. We have

Charlie in Jamestown, Kentucky. It's always such a delight to hear

Pastor Moorecraft. I was blessed immensely to sit under his faithful preaching, teaching and fellowship for many years when

I lived in the Atlanta area. I was about to ask if he might share his stance on the importance of the civil magistrate's role in fighting terrorism.

But as I was writing this, he addressed the very topic. If you might still read this,

I'd like to point out for listeners that they can hear literally thousands of hours of Pastor Moorecraft's preaching and teaching online at sermonaudio .com.

My wife and I so enjoy still hearing his powerful preaching that way. What a treasure we all have in the

Lord's having raised up Pastor Moorecraft as one of his faithful ambassadors. So there's no question there, but just.

Well, that's good. Did you say that was Charlie Earhart? Yes, I didn't say his last name, but yes, it's

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It's such a blessing to hear from Iron Sharpens Iron Radio listeners from all over the world.

Here's Joe Reilly, a listener in Ireland who wants you to know about a guest on the show he really loves hearing interviewed,

Dr. Joe Moorcraft. I'm Joe Reilly, a faithful Iron Sharpens Iron Radio listener here in Atai in County Kildare, Ireland.

Going back to 2005, one of my very favorite guests on Iron Sharpens Iron is

Dr. Joe Moorcraft. If you've been blessed by Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Moorcraft and Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming, Georgia are largely to thank since they are one of the program's largest financial supporters.

Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming is in Forsyth County, a part of the Atlanta metropolitan area.

Heritage is a thoroughly biblical church unwaveringly committed to Westminster standards. And Dr.

Joe Moorcraft is the author of an eight volume commentary on the larger catechism. Heritage is a member of the

Hanover Presbyterian Church built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone and tracing its roots and heritage back to the great

Protestant Reformation of the 16th century. Heritage maintains and follows the biblical truth and principles proclaimed by the reformers, scripture alone, grace alone, faith alone,

Christ alone, and God's glory alone. Their primary goal is the worship of the triune God that continues in eternity.

For more details on Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming, Georgia, visit heritagepresbyterianchurch .com.

That's heritagepresbyterianchurch .com or call 678 -954 -7831.

That's 678 -954 -7831. If you visit, tell them

Joe O 'Reilly, Iron Sharpens Iron radio listener, and Mattai in County Kildare, Ireland sent you.

I'm Pastor Keith Allen of Linbrook Baptist Church, a Christ -centered, gospel -driven church looking to spread the gospel in the southwest portion of Long Island, New York, and play our role in fulfilling the

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At Linbrook Baptist Church, we believe the scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be the inspired word of God, inerrant in the original writings, complete as the revelation of God's will for salvation and the supreme and final authority in all matters to which they speak.

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Lord's Day, we'd love to have you come and join us in worship. For details, visit linbrookbaptist .org.

That's l -y -n -brookbaptist .org. This is Pastor Keith Allen of Linbrook Baptist Church, reminding you that by grace, you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves.

It is the gift of God, not a result of words, so that no one may boast of the

Lord's blessing and the knowledge of himself. I'm Dr.

Tony Costa, professor of apologetics and Islam at Toronto Baptist Seminary. I'm thrilled to introduce to you a church where I've been invited to speak and have grown to love,

Hope Reform Baptist Church in Corham, Long Island, New York, pastored by Rich Jensen and Christopher McDowell.

It's such a joy to witness and experience fellowship with people of God, like the dear saints at Hope Reform Baptist Church in Corham, who have an intensely passionate desire to continue digging deeper and deeper into the unfathomable riches of Christ in his holy word, and to enthusiastically proclaim

Christ Jesus the King and his doctrines of sovereign grace in Suffolk County, Long Island, and beyond.

I hope you also have the privilege of discovering this precious congregation and receive the blessing of being showered by their love, as I have.

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That's hopereformedli .net or call 631 -696 -5711.

That's 631 -696 -5711. Tell the folks at Hope Reform Baptist Church of Corham, Long Island, New York that you heard about them from Tony Costa on Iron Sharpens Iron.

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But today, I want to introduce you to my senior pastor, Doug McMasters of New High Park Baptist Church on Long Island.

Doug McMasters here, former director of pastoral correspondence at Grace to You, the radio ministry of John MacArthur.

In the film Chariots of Fire, the Olympic gold medalist runner, Eric Liddell, remarked that he felt

God's pleasure when he ran. He knew his efforts sprang from the gifts and calling of God.

I sense that same God -given pleasure when ministering the word and helping others gain a deeper knowledge and love for God.

That love starts with the wonderful news that the Lord Jesus Christ is a savior who died for sinners and that God forgives all who come to him in repentance, trusting solely in Christ to deliver them.

I would be delighted to have the honor and privilege of ministering to you if you live in the Long Island area or Queens or Brooklyn or the

Bronx in New York City. For details on New Hyde Park Baptist Church, visit nhpbc .com.

That's nhpbc .com. You can also call us at 516 -352 -9672.

That's 516 -352 -9672. That's New Hyde Park Baptist Church, a congregation in love with each other, passionate for Christ, committed to learning and being shaped by God's word and delighting in the gospel of God's sovereign grace.

Hello, I'm Phil Johnson, executive director of Grace to You with John MacArthur. I've been a frequent guest on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio and I highly recommend this show.

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And we want to thank Phil Johnson, whose voice you just heard. Phil Johnson, the executive director of John MacArthur's ministry.

Grace to you. I just received today a very large shipment of free hardback copies of John MacArthur's latest book,

The War on Children. And these are for the pastors that are going to be attending my next free biannual

Iron Sharpens Iron Radio pastor's luncheon for the very first time, featuring guest speaker

Dr. Joel Beeke, founder and president of Puritan Reform Theological Seminary in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

If you are a man in ministry leadership and you'd like to attend this free luncheon, which will include a free heavy sack of brand new books personally selected by me and donated by Christian publishers all over the

United States and United Kingdom, merely send me an email to chrisarnsen at gmail .com

and put pastor's luncheon in the subject line and you will be registered absolutely free. This is going to be held

Thursday, June 6th, 11 a .m. to 2 p .m. at Church of the Living Christ in Loisville, Pennsylvania.

And we hope to see you there. Also, I want to remind our listeners that this program is paid for in part by the law firm of Buttafuoco and Associates.

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Make sure you mention Chris Arnsen of Iron Trip and Zion Radio. We're now back with Dr.

Joseph C. Moorcraft III and Dr. Moorcraft, I'd like you to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today when it comes to a biblical response to terrorism.

Well, here's the thing that is so important. Terrorism does not work in a culture where people believe that the worst thing that can happen to them is death.

Right. Now, let me say that again. Terrorism does not work in a culture where most people believe that the worst thing that can happen to them is death.

So, as long as America is not a Christian culture, terrorism works and there is no solution until we return to Christ, just as in every other thing we must return to Christ.

We must believe that death is not the worst thing that could happen to us. We must believe that the state must be just as God defines justice.

The church must be clear as a bell when it comes to preaching the word of God and standing for the truth.

That fathers must be willing to defend their families at the cost of their own lives.

And all of these institutions working together are the only things that can stop terrorism in the

United States. Remember, terrorism is a revolutionary philosophy.

These terrorists do not kill people for fun. They kill people so as to intimidate them so as to scare them, to change them so that these terrorists can transform our country into something that it was never intended to be.

And when you listen to these politicians like Biden and Schumer and all these other people, they are the kind of politicians that breed terrorism.

It's not the Christian. The Taliban of the modern world is not the

Calvinist. The Taliban of the modern world is the

Biden or the other socialists that are doing what they can to de -Christianize

America and to criminalize Christianity. That is terrorism.

Amen. And aren't we wrong or isn't anyone wrong when they conclude that the leftist in the political arena is not religious?

When they wrongly think that these passionate radically anti -Christian political figures are trying to promote their worldview, people think that that's fine and dandy because they're not imposing a religion upon the citizens of this nation or any nation.

But that's not true, is it? They have their religion that they are imposing on us. Oh, they are pushing a false religion to replace the religion of Christianity.

Right. This is not a nuclear war. This is a war for the survival of Christianity in the

United States. Amen. Well, I want to make sure that our listeners have your websites once again.

The website for Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia is HeritagePresbyterianChurch .com

HeritagePresbyterianChurch .com and the website to purchase the eight -volume commentary on the

Westminster Larger Catechism authored by Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III titled

Authentic Christianity. That website is WestminsterCommentary .com

WestminsterCommentary .com And I want to remind our listeners once again, if you're a man in ministry leadership and you are available on Thursday, June the 6th, 11 a .m.

to 2 p .m., I strongly urge you to come here by plane, train or automobile to Perry County, Pennsylvania for the next free biannual

Iron Trip and Zion Radio Pastor's Luncheon featuring keynote speaker Dr. Joel Beeke, founder and president of Puritan Reform Theological Seminary in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

It's absolutely free of charge, which includes your lunch and includes every attendee receiving a heavy sack of brand new books personally selected by me and donated by publishers all over the

United States and the United Kingdom. Absolutely free of charge. There is not one thing that is charged for at these luncheons.

So please, if you can attend, if you're a man in ministry leadership, send me an email to chrisarnsen at gmail .com

and put Pastor's Luncheon in the subject line. I want to thank you so much, Dr. Moorcraft, for, as always, doing such a superb job on the show.

I want to thank everybody who listened today. And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater savior than you are a sinner.