Church of Christ Revisited

Opening Banter and Technical Difficulties

Well, I messed all that up. We're already live messed it all up. That's fun. It's been a long time since I've done this. So welcome everybody. We didn't even do the intro and everything that just messed it all up.

So, let's see if we can do the intro that way it makes everybody happy.

This is apologetics live to answer your questions. Your host from striving for eternity ministries. Andrew Rappaport.

Okay, we are live we have a good show you for you tonight. We're. Sorry, I was talking ahead. I had it on mute and didn't even push in the Push in the audio there and so messed it all up. So anyway, we're live tonight.

We're Andrew's not with us. We're flying solo. Josiah Nichols is here with us and a preacher norms here as well. They're in the back. But see we are live and Andrew's not here. Andrew had a family issue.

I've asked you guys to be praying for him and his family as he's away. I don't know what he wants me to get into so I'm just not gonna get into the detail of it. I would ask you to be praying be praying for him and his family for the strong godly witness a faithful witness.

I would ask you to be praying for our show tonight and We have a lot of really good stuff in tonight, we're gonna have a good conversation, I hope and With that I'm gonna bring Josiah in. Hey, brother.

Hey, how we doing tonight? I'm doing better than I deserve. Well good. You know what you said that a couple of times. So Hey everybody. Marvin Marvin Germino says hi pastor Justin. Hey, how you doing?

It's good to see you. Well, good to see your your writing should I say? Anthony is on the earth KT and Jesus as where's Anthony as he's still on the earth. He is on the earth. I'm not sure what where he's at.

He could be on another planet, but I don't know. Not sure anyway, so Let's get to a little bit of good news. Well, I don't know if it's good news or not. Okay, so I don't know if everybody heard about it, but the bad news part is last week we didn't get to talk about it, but it was a Holocaust remembrance and and that was a terrible time in in the world as People were murdered because of their ethnicity.

They were murdered because they were Jewish now in the woke narrative that you will hear today the only people that are racist are white and you are Grouped. Just I don't know you probably know this too, but you're grouped by your color.

Everything is racial. It's all you're white. So you're the oppressor and it doesn't matter who you are. Well that that narrative has been getting louder and louder and louder and a lot of voices have been have been coming out and even in the church Tim Keller and you know, all these guys have been just just rushing to purport this narrative if you will.

Well in the media everybody knows that in the media it's it's everywhere yes Mike Smith says CRT critical race theory. Everything is about race. Critical race theory is not the idea that you're it's not the idea that you're critiquing.

Racial disparities disparities what you're doing is you're destroying perceived racial disparities. Well, one of the big proponents of it guess who it might be. What do you think. Josiah who might be one of the big voices for the whole idea that everything is racist if it's white.

See, I'm guessing Donald Trump right Donald Trump. He's a racist. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, he's a racist but who else might be and whatever the view is that you might have this one. Oops, there it is.

Captain Black Eagle threw it up there before you did. So Whoopi said as a black woman, blah blah blah. She's saying All black women are the same. So now think about this.

Yeah, whoopie. She was Catholic. I thought she was all about, you know. All about peace and harmony, yeah mostly musical harmony and.

Sister act. Something along that line. It's a lot of singing going on in that movie, but I don't know if you guys heard about it, but. Sometime last week I don't watch it. So sometime last week she came out and started proclaiming that the Holocaust was not about race and there's there's a reason for it she's being consistent because white people aren't racist against white people and Jewish people according to their their CRT mindset.

Jewish people are not Jewish people. They're white people, you know, they have a whole list of who's white. In other words if you're. If you're Japanese, well, you're white and so it's okay to disparage you and it depends on where you're at.

So anyway. She comes out. She says that The entire Holocaust was not about race, but she she has to say that to be consistent. But the problem is is that you have a whole world of people who aren't ready to go down that rabbit trail yet and They'll go down it eventually.

Because they'll run right along with her because she's the one that that started out saying it. So she's the one that's going to be Perceived as the the villain for just a little bit. She says, you know, it's not about race and then Joy Behar Got angry and she got upset and they Effective immediately whoopie Goldberg according to the CBS News.

I'm reading a report right now. Whoopie Goldberg was suspended from the ABC's view for two weeks. She needed a vacation. So she's been from the view for two weeks. Because she was saying that the Holocaust was not about race so.

Yeah, what do you think about that?

It kind of goes against everything I learned in middle school whenever I went to the Holocaust Museum and That we were told we were told that Hitler was saying hey we're gonna be promoting the Aryan race because we're the most highly evolved people in the whole world and Everybody who doesn't Who is an Aryan, you know, we're we're just gonna shut you down.

We're gonna we're gonna kill you off and put you in first it was ghettos then concentration camps and Anybody who defended? The Jewish people, you know. Corrie ten. Corrie ten boom was one of those people who Was a Christian who believed that all people were creating the image of God.

She Held that Jewish people, you know Should live and so she hit him and she was sent to the cost of concentration camp for it. Yeah, absolutely, you know.

John he's in the back. He's gonna jump in here with us in a minute. He posted that that's because of the redefinition of racism only black people can be the subjects. They're constantly oppressed no matter what the situation is.

They're constantly oppressed. And so they're the subjects of Racism one thing that you may not know is that? Adolf Hitler his ideology came from Darwinism. He was a staunch Darwinist. He was not a Christian.

He was a staunch Darwinist and he he based his entire system On the belief that there were superior races. There were superior not ethnic groups, which is a biblical concept, but a race, which is a a concept that comes from the the Caucasoids and humanoids and all these other oids and and these these ape-like creatures which were apes and and they which which evolved into you know from monkeys to ape-like creatures to to man and and this type of insanity and and what happened was Darwin's belief got so Predominant that it's everywhere today.

And by the way, this is the whole idea of the the critical race theory Marxism socialism. It's all founded on the idea that there is no God. There is only You know the the better man the perfect man. So Adolf Hitler he says you know what I Believe that we are the perfect race.

The the Aryan race and that would be the blonde hair blue eyes, you know, I'm red so I don't count I guess. Of course, I'm also Scottish. So I really don't count so anyway, so Here they are. They're teaching.

Hey, which is preacher norm. Hold on. No, Andrew, he did not take it out. He's back here in the back. We're just discussing Whoopi Goldberg, I hope everything's going well brother. Yeah, we're praying for you so anyway wasn't gonna say was is is he had this idea that We are going to wipe out the inferior races and the biggest problem they're having is The Jewish people well, why do you think they put the the the gold star and on on the Jewish people or put a tattoo on them.

Does anybody have an idea? It's okay. Probably watch your size them. No, it was because they couldn't tell who was who I Mean you look at both of us. We're two white guys. Well, I can't tell you about what your ethnicity is because you're a white guy.

As a missionaries kid, okay. Well, there you go.

You said I wouldn't know that because we're two people the same skin color. So so he has to come up with this ethnic idea and he has to get papers has to do all these things. Well, here comes the big war all these wars go on at the end of it.

You know what he started doing. He started killing German people because he said the experiment is over and We've proven that the German people are not the inferior of the the superior race. Now by by empirical evidence We've proven it and that's why he started attacking his own people, but you didn't know that.

Well, whoopie Goldberg and whatnot. She said that She's thinking about quitting. That would be a tragic.

That's it. That's that's Andrew Rappaport. All right, if you're talking whoopie Goldberg and. And and that you got to allow your token Jewish person in here. Last week last week. I made an error I was wanted to mention and did not last Thursday actually when we were recording was the International Holocaust Remembrance Day and I wanted to start to show off with that and totally forgot so but yeah, whoopie Goldberg and her comment about.

Yeah, and she doubled down and then tripled down then all of a sudden gave an apology but but the reality is it shows what whoopie Goldberg thinks. I mean she defines racism as. It's it can only be black people that can make this claim.

Yeah, you know, oh this was one white group against another white group so it can't be racism, you know, you know. Yeah, here's the simple thing. She has demanded for like everybody to be canceled. That doesn't well then look fair is fair.

She should just quit and cancel herself if she's gonna be consistent. She should just say. Okay. Well, I said something far worse than Gina Carano did. Yeah, and therefore she you know, hey Gina Carano got canceled by the same company I think that they should say hey cancel her.

You know, but but she's all upset because she got suspended for two weeks. Oh. Two whole weeks. She's gonna do what not be able to voice her her Marxist agenda. Yeah, like that's that's a slap on the wrist compared to what they've done to so many others where they've Tried to get him fired where they can't get any work anywhere.

But but now some people think Anthony and I were talking about this. Some people think that well liberals don't have to be consistent. That's wrong. They are being consistent. You know. The problem that people have is they think that they're consistent in or canceling people for what they say?

No, they're consistent in pushing the Marxist agenda and anything that that pushes it works for them. They don't care what it is as long as they can push the Marxist agenda. That's all. Yeah, and so they're they are consistent because the consistency isn't what they say it's what they push.

So, that's right. You know, what's amazing. It's like I was saying is is Whoopi's the the test case and she pushed the narrative and eventually they're gonna be people come along are gonna agree with her.

Because you're Jewish you can't be a racist. This couldn't be a racist issue blah blah blah. And they're gonna come out with another reason. Because those who don't learn from history are going to be doomed to repeat it.

It's gonna happen.

Well, look and I'm gonna get going because I really want to hear you guys in discussion with norm. But I'll just say this. Can we please make 1984 fiction again? That would be great.

Amen, amen. Okay. So what we have for you tonight. That was just intro. So what we have for you tonight is. A preacher norm is going to come in in a few minutes and talk to us. We wanted to lay some lay some foundational work here and talk about the Church of Christ the history and some of the beliefs.

Josiah has written a lot of very good Information. And brother, would you like to kind of start us out on your on your your maybe your background in your history? You know kind of what you know about the issues so that way we can put it out.

Yeah, the Church of Christ comes from the restoration movement. My family has really deep roots in that. My grandfather Ed Nichols was a missionary for African Christian missions For 50 years. He didn't hold to all of the restoration teachings.

I don't think anybody holds to all the rest restoration teachings. But The Church of Christ started again with the Restoration movement and That started about The 1800s around the second great great awakening.

I know preacher norms gonna contradict me here, but I If you want a really good history on the Restoration movement itself. I recommend in search of Christian unity. And it is written by people who are deeply interested in the restoration movement and They've tried they again.

They think that the Church of Christ goes all the way back to The up back to the Apostles where they teach exactly what the Apostles dude did and they Act exactly like the Apostles did. But in reality they started with I Pull up my article here Because I can't remember his name off the top of my head.

Okay, we got Barton Stone Barton Warnstone and Thomas and Alexander Campbell.

Right. That was that was restoration movement 18. Yeah, well, that's when they merged together. But the Barton Stone started teaching in the late The late 1700s early 1800s. Barton Stone Was an anti conviction of sin experience.

He believed that You need to try to convince somebody intellectually about Their sin as opposed to trying to make them be convicted over their sin using the law. Alexander Alexander Campbell taught against that as well.

Barton Stone was anti-trinitarian. The book I I mentioned in search of Christianity said that he was more in line with Eric with Arius's teaching than any other kind of teaching so he denied the. He denied the pre-existence of Jesus Christ and he said he was similar to God.

He also held that the Atonement was to reconcile men to God and not God to men. Alexander Campbell taught that salvation was by. Was by belief or and part of belief was in imagination confession. Repentance baptism and living a holy life.

He thought the disciples should call themselves disciples only. They should hold weekly communion. There shouldn't be any church structure above the local congregation. Thomas Campbell is held with these seven Slogans here.

No creed, but Christ. No book. No book, but the Bible do Bible things in Bible ways. Call Bible things by Bible names where the scriptures speak. We speak where the scriptures silent. We are silent. And matters of faith unity and matters of opinion liberty and all things love truth first union afterward and union only.

Not it and union only in truth. Be true to the truth oppose the error but bear with humanity. Back to Christ back to the Bible back to Jerusalem. The only way to make progress in religion is by going back to the Bible.

Okay, and so that's the restoration movement. So now now.

The restoration movement, however, they. Campbell and stone. Maybe even Alexander. I'm not sure exactly but they came out of what the Baptist and the.

Presbyterian Denomination, I believe they first left the Presbyterian denomination and then Alexander and Thomas Campbell joined the Baptist Denomination and then they were excommunicated over to and debates with Pato Baptist who Disagreed with That.

Okay, I'm gonna pull up a quote from Alexander Campbell. It says. I know it will be said that I have affirmed that baptism saves us. Well, Paul Peter and Paul have said so before me if I it was not criminal for them and them to say.

So it cannot be criminal to me When Ananias said unto Paul arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins calling upon the name of the Lord I suppose Paul believed him and arose and was baptized and washed away his sins.

When he was baptized he must have believed that his sins were now washed away in Some sense that they were not before. If he had a sense if his sins had been Already in every sense washed away and Ananias's address would have led him to a mistaken view of himself both before and after baptism.

Of course Alexander Campbell also said This quote Mentioned in my article He believed in anyone is a Christian who believes in his heart that Jesus of Nazareth is a Messiah. The Son of God repents of his sins and disobeys him and all things according to His measure of not of knowledge of his will.

Okay. One thing I notice here is that the Barton stones movement anti-conviction of the sin experience anti-trinitarian and anti-penal substitutionary atonement. It kind of goes to the idea that. It kind of goes to the idea that The work of Christ on the cross was simply to you know Get rid of the old commandment so they'll law and not for the salvation of your soul.

That it wasn't substitutionary in its nature. What I did notice is that stone Stone hill that Christ was similar to God, but he wasn't pre-existent. Now now these these issues are you know. One thing you can you can draw out of them is is when did the these movements begin?

Around the 1800s. Now they had a conflict as I recall with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that they they came out and what one be called the Church of Jesus Christ at first and then they had the Conflict there and I don't remember the quotes on that.

But it was. They did have some type of a conflict as I recall. Yeah the Well thing was they were.

They were trying to come up with an evangelist. The Association for Christian Baptists were trying to come up with an evangelist for their work and one of those evangelists was named Walter Scott and And.

The other guy that was in the picture wanted to be Promoting the movement and he wasn't he what he wasn't voted in as their evangelist. So he decided to join the Church of Latter-day Saints and Became the main evangelist for them.

Yeah.

You know, and so that's that's one thing I do do find amazing is is that you have So many different groups during those timelines that they come out of the body of Christ and they say oh, well, we're the true church we're the historic church, you know, we have a New vision new revelation new teaching.

We have this new idea that that That we're supposed to be the ones that are that have the truth, you know. They all did it wrong, you know. The Latter-day Saints they say that that they were given vision that that theirs theirs was the way in the truth.

You know, you have you have the Jehovah's Witnesses they have the way they have the truth, you know. And even a Church of Christ comes out and they say oh, well, we're gonna change that and we're gonna say that the only thing that that can save you is baptism.

Plus obedience plus a few or the things here. So and and so we want.

Good, I would like to say that Walter Scott's since he was the main evangelist. I think this is why a lot of people in the restoration movement have their view of baptism because according to Campbell you couldn't be you couldn't be.

That baptism was associated with salvation. That's what saved you, but he thought people could be saved. Who had a wrong view of baptism? Yeah. But Walter Scott taught and this is a quote from him. It says.

I have. I Have for some time thought that the waters of baptism must stand in the same position to us that the blood of Sacrifices did to the Jews. The blood of bulls and goats could never take away sins as Pete as Paul declares.

Yet when offered at the altar by the sinner, he had the divine assurance that his faith Sins were forgiven him. This blood was merely tip tip. This boat was very typical of the blood of Christ the true sin offering to which it pointed Perspectively and it seems to me that the water and baptism which has no power in itself to wash away sins now refers Retrospectively to the purifying power of the blood of the Lamb of God.

Yeah.

Yeah, one thing I want to do. I want to point out a couple of things That we're gonna be working with here. Let's see Tom at the Church of Christ and their beliefs 11 things that you need to know. You know, they are different than Baptists now they since they they came out of you know The Baptist denomination and the other denominations Presbyterian one.

Since they do have that history so there's going to be some crossover and some things that are there to believe. I mean and and there are some good things that we we all would agree with you know as Pastor Andrew was trying to to have that Discussion last time when we were trying to have a good discussion about it.

The the things that came out to me were yeah. We believe that salvation is is of the Lord that it is through that. We must hear the gospel. We must repent we must believe. I mean those things we must do but those are granted to us.

The Bible makes it clear as we talked about many times that those issues are are you know, Sola? Christos those are those are from Christ alone. It is God himself that saves us not not a work that we do.

God grants us repentance. God grants us faith, you know, and so when we repent it's because God put it in us to repent. He's regenerated our dead hearts and he's caused us to be born again to a living hope and and so what.

You know what brother Andrew was talking about and he's trying to explain is that is that we're talking about is salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone according to the scripture alone to the glory of God alone or Is salvation an issue where we have to have we include baptism and and other things?

So the Church of Christ Just one of one of the one of the things on One of these websites, I mean the thing is they say we're not a monolithic denomination. So each one of us have our own church. We're not we're not affiliated.

We say no creed, but Christ. No, no, no book, but the Bible, you know, we all say no creed, but Christ which in itself is a creed. I Just want to point that out because it's probably I don't know if it's gonna be said or not so What we will put out here is Let's see.

I'm trying to find this here. We're gonna talk about the things that we need to do to be saved and I want to bring preacher Norm in here just a minute and brother John if you want to I'll bring you in as well and we can just have a polite discussion hopefully and if we can't we'll just stop having a polite discussion and and Go another route and and we'll go from there.

Okay, so let's let's go ahead and get started here and Preacher Norm welcome in. Hey, well, brother John the the the first interaction.

I got tonight was did I chicken out? So if it can get politer that would be okay. Well, how about. How about this? Are we Christians?

No, okay. Well, that's how polite you're gonna be. Okay. Based on what evidence do you say? We're not Christians that you haven't done what the New Testament says to do to be a Christian. How do you know?

How do you know? Well John because I've already talked with John and okay the other two because of. Well for one, I'm not sure the gentleman right above me I'm not sure the name Josiah and Justin and John so I could tell from the things that Josiah was saying that no and Justin.

From last time. No and John from. So is that. Is that because the smugness coming out of you?

I haven't repent. I haven't I haven't believed that Jesus is a Christ the Son of Living God. I haven't. I Don't have faith in him. I haven't repented. I haven't confessed and I haven't been baptized. Pretty sure I did.

I've done all those things.

Not according to the New Testament pattern.

Prove it how. I'm sorry. No, you're making a claim prove it. Okay I Know I don't want to. I want you to prove it. Tell me what what is it that we haven't done?

Well, you believe you were saved before you were baptized into Christ and Then you were baptized as an outward show of an inward faith, correct, correct, or correct, correct.

So right baptism baptism. I mean if I'm wrong tell me I'm wrong. Are you saying that salvation the salvation that the Lord offers? No, no. No, you asked me to answer your question.

I answered your question. So there's my answer because I was baptized. Because you were baptized as an outward show of an inward faith. Right or wrong? Okay, correct. Am I making a correct assertion about why you were baptized or am I not?

Listen to what Josiah was trying to say. I.

Was I was baptized because I Believe that Jesus is the Christ. He he commanded all believers to be baptized and Because I show I repented on my sins.

Okay, because you wanted to show that you repented of your sins. So you're you're actually being very careful of your language because you don't want to agree with me. Even though you just said the same thing I said.

No, we said that we've done all the things you're claiming. But yeah, you've made the so you make a monolithic statement. So Josiah you made. You're saying you were baptized in order to be saved. That's what you're saying.

No, we're not gonna do this. Okay. Hey guys. Guys, I'm good. I'm coming in for a split second here. Go ahead and as a note.

We have we did have last time the norm was on a lot of people complained about Talking over one another. That's a just I'm just gonna ask if you could kind of control Mike's so that we don't have that so people can hear because I'm kind of watching that stage and here and You know, I'm not able to follow with all you guys talking over each other.

So I'm just gonna ask that you do that possible. Thank you. And just the people that were asking For an update with me. I'll just I should have given that earlier. My mother is is is dying. There's no other way of putting it.

She's she isn't doing good. We couldn't actually couldn't even talk to her today couldn't see her. So it was not a good day. She's not doing well with the medication. And we think that she just it was one of these things where she was so excited that we were down there.

She tried to overdo it and then next day would be horrible. And then we go to see her the next time and so We're hoping that we got one more chance for all the kids to be able to see her before Before they leave and it'll be the last chance to say goodbye and for them to share the gospel with her.

So so we do appreciate prayers if we can go and see her before tomorrow morning.

That's the prayer so there's a quick update. Thanks. Bye my brother. Definitely be praying for that, you know. Yeah, he's his mother's and obviously at the last stage of her life and we pray that He has a good good able to have a good witness with him and good conversation, you know.

The Restoration Movement and the Roots of the Church of Christ

Preacher norm. I want to ask you What what is it that that you see here? Maybe we can go through this list. And you can tell me if if you believe in these things, we've we've laid them out. I just want to make sure that these this is Congruent with what you're talking about.

You must first hear the Word of God. Yes, okay. You must believe and have faith in the Word of God. Yes. Okay, then you must repent of your sins. That is turning away from your previous lifestyle and choosing God's way.

Yes, okay, you must confess your faith in the Lord Jesus as the Son of God. Yes. I'm gonna ask you a clarifying question on that in just a minute. You have to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Yes, okay, and You finally you have to live a faithful and holy life before as a Christian. Yes, and those are the those are things you must do to be saved.

Um. Yeah in in a little overly simplistic Listing of a way. I mean when you say I forget how you said baptism. Have to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. I think is what you said. Yeah, but it's for a purpose it's for the purpose of being added to the body of Christ by Christ because that's what he said to do and so.

It is also part of the expression of faith. That you believe the gospel. It's God's power unto salvation. Therefore. I must do what it says in order to be saved. And and from last time all of you agree, you know, right along with that up until baptism and then for some reason Baptism is different from all of the other things that you all agree with.

But there is no for some reason, you know, why. Right, you know, you understand why. It's not for some reason. That's that's kind of a miss. What Andrew said last time was that.

It's because we say that you have to do that to be saved. So you have to do that to be saved. Then, you know, somehow it's a work salvation instead of a expression of faith.

Okay, so what I'm saying to you is first of all, it's not just for some reason you understand what it is that Baptists teach or you wouldn't be having this argument. It's not just for some reason. We've actually had this discussion.

Andrew had this discussion for four hours three and a half hours, whatever it was. He had this discussion with you explaining the issues of baptism. What I'm asking you is.

He didn't explain anything to me.

Then you didn't listen to three and a half hours of the conversation. Okay. Okay. Well, and that's the point is that when you when you listen to the to the other side of the conversation. It's not just saying then just for some reason now.

Here's what I asked you based off the Church of Jesus Christ the Church of Christ Doctrinal statements of belief on on this church website. Well, let me stop you. Let me just stop you real quick. Yeah, go ahead.

Go ahead. Okay.

The way that you just said that the First you said Church of Jesus Christ, then you changed it Church of Christ, which I'm fine with. I'm fine with either one and then you say I've. Maybe not verbatim, but your statement of beliefs.

Okay, what exactly what's the.

I asked you a question. I said, I just pulled up a random church website. You say that you have no creed, but Christ. You say that you don't believe in anything. No, no creedal statements. No denominational statements or anything else.

Well, you know that's not what that means. No, no, no, no. No, no, don't don't step over what I'm saying.

You you claim but if what you're saying is wrong, I shouldn't correct you.

Okay, you. You claim last time. Okay, let's do all the drama. Let's get all out of the way now. Now, let's talk. You claim last time. That that you don't believe in denominations that you only heard of the Bible.

You claimed all these things and yet your church came out of it to denominations. That is in Church of Christ. Yes, that is you. What you're saying is not true. It's just saying right there is not true.

It's historically evidenced.

Anyway, they came out of the historically evidence from what you're saying that I the church that I know I belong to. Yeah, the church that I preach for that. I Came out of the a conglomeration of two different denominations.

Did I say you personally? I know I did.

I said the Church of Christ came out of the Baptist and the Presbyterian denominations.

So so you're saying the Church of Christ did not exist before that time. No, there's the tradition. Traditional movement that you hold to. I don't know what you're defining me as. But that history that you gave which is an interesting part of religious history.

And I do enjoy church history and I enjoy religious history. So I have studied the restoration movement. But I did not come out of the restoration movement. What I belong to did not originate in the arrest in the restaurant.

So maybe This could be a more productive conversation if you get rid of your preconceived notions about what I am.

Okay. Wait a minute. Alexander Campbell held to the beliefs that You should be called to spot disciples only. Do you believe that. No, okay. Okay. Taught salvation by faith or belief. Confession repentance baptism living a holy life.

Don't you? Hold on. That's what the restoration movement was teaching and I just talked to you about it. You said oh, I don't believe those things.

Saying that the preaching of those things that you just listed originated.

With the restoration movement and nobody was preaching those things before the restoration movement. I'm telling you. Hold on.

I'm telling what you're saying doesn't make any sense. Don't don't don't.

We're not on it on the hot seat. You are.

Okay. Okay, so I'm acting like it. Okay, but don't so let's go, you know, don't scream over people. Don't scream over people, please. It's not gonna happen. Like last time don't scream over people, please.

Okay. Yeah, people that are trying to hear the conversation and we're trying to have a logical Debatable conversation if you scream over people nobody can have a discussion. Okay, so please listen. Okay.

What I'm saying to you is this. What I'm saying to you is this. Alexander Campbell. He stated these beliefs and part of those beliefs were That these are what are necessary for salvation and those are you must.

You know, you must believe upon What is taught or you?

Wait, wait, wait. Let's go one at a time. Okay, go one at a time.