September 17, 2021 Show with Wes Carpenter on “Woke Religion: Unmasking the False Gospel of Social Justice”

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And I know that there are a lot of people out there who are thinking, Man, this guy Chris Arnzen

interviews guests who oppose the woke movement and the social

justice warrior phenomenon a lot.

And there is a reason for that.

That's because this is a prominent evil in our current day,

and I don't think that we can overreach in our frequency of

exposing the lies of this movement.

And we're going to do that again today with a first -time guest, Wes Carpenter, who earned his B

.S. from Christopher Newport University and his M .B .A. from the College of William and Mary

and his M .Div. from the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary.

And he's currently a T .H .M. student at Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary in Grand Rapids,

Michigan, where my dear friend of many years, Dr. Joel Beeke, is the president.

He's also served in churches in South Korea, the Pacific Northwest, and

Southeastern United States.

Today we are going to be addressing Wes's new book, Woke Religion, Unmasking the False

Gospel of Social Justice.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Trump and Zion Radio, Wes

Carpenter.

Thanks so much, Chris, for having me on.

I just love your program, what you're doing.

I've really been looking

forward to it.

Yes, God, thanks be to God, I am doing much better.

And Wes is speaking about my, I'm assuming he's

speaking about my congestive heart failure that occurred actually last July, but

that may take many years to fully repair itself, if ever.

So I thank you for your prayers.

And so tell us, first of all, right off the bat, why

you, as a young man, seminary student, knowing that

there are many books currently being written and published, taking a position

against the woke movement, why did you find a,

or how did you develop a passion and find a need to write Woke Religion, Unmasking

the False Gospel of Social Justice?

Sure, yeah,

that's back in seminary.

I

remember

being at

a convention,

kind of made me uncomfortable in the classroom, not

several years going on in this

country,

movement and with family members.

And it

turns

out a lot

of brewing

in seminary

years back and really

came to its head

saying the same

thing,

obligated in the churches, I need

to write something on this, I know it's going to be a polemic work, and it really, I wasn't planning on writing

because I was just

sending out, reading

it,

and

burning it.

I was, at the time of writing last summer,

maybe got caught a little flat -footed and it was time to speak up.

Well, if you could, for those of our listeners who have not heard any of my other

interviews on the woke movement, on social justice, on critical race theory,

why don't you define what woke means, and define what the gospel

of social justice is.

Yeah,

sure,

and the

framework

that it's

operating

from, and it's a standard of authority that it's claiming that's not,

it was operating from

neo -Marxist ideology, that's not

combating neo

-Marxist

ideology, and I'm sure some of

your audience is familiar with these terms, so I won't belabor it

too much, but essentially, you're on too

long, feel free to stop me, but it's more than cancel culture, it's an authoritarian state.

White, by definition, because of white privilege, you're part of the oppressed,

become and merge into a

religion, and I'll explain that a little later.

White, by definition, according to the standard, and so MacArthur said it last year, the biggest issue of our

time, some call it ethnic Gnosticism,

James Lindsay calls it an authoritarianism in our midst, Gad Saad says it's an illiberal

idea pathogen, Jordan Peterson, it's an illiberal idea pathology,

and so it's essentially, you must confess pittance, if you like,

to white guilt, complicity, and to institutional and systemic racism, and like

I said, it's not just limited to critical race theory that presupposes racism, and the

classical understanding of prejudice,

male, and that's where you get intersectionality,

and it goes on

and on,

and then the

oppressed group

is already

vaccinated, which doesn't make a whole

lot of sense to me, anti -vax, per se, but

the

mandate is

things like, we're looser

in 2020, we're the oppressors, and now it's the unvaccinated, I don't know.

I can tell you personally, I'm in a position where I'm going to probably get the

mandated vaccine or losing my job.

My friends and family members, not because

it's going to go away, you know, wokeness was going to go away, we don't need to

worry about it, and I don't know, I hope it goes away, and I hope...

Yes, and the irony and the hypocrisy involved is

utterly palpable and breathtaking, because you see as a part of the

rhetoric, and here as a part of the rhetoric, of those who represent the woke movement and social justice,

they identify themselves as champions against racism, and yet they are

perpetuating racism, just a different kind of racism.

For some reason, in the 21st century, it's okay to belittle

and vilify and slander people just because

of the lack of melanin content in their skin.

Those of lighter skins, for some reason, that's okay to

not judge them by the content of the character, but by the color of their skin, the

exact reverse of what Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. stood for.

Right.

And another irony is when leftists vilify those

who are refusing to be vaccinated, it's kind of an interesting

statistic that there is a very high percentage, and I think it's a higher

percentage of blacks in America that are refusing to be

vaccinated than are agreeing to it.

So there's a lot of illogical and hypocritical and

nonsensical things that are key parts of the rhetoric.

Right, that's exactly right.

I'm a moment, you know, or

boomers, and

then I see

this upcoming generation of kids,

you know, people, I say to that, well, I wonder if

America is not Pope pretty Christian,

and you're a man whose tyranny

is a tyranny.

I don't want to repeat the

torrent.

Someone said

it was

rotten.

You know, as we look at the church today, I'm trying to understand as

an idea, which,

like

you

mentioned,

is

digital

platforms.

And so I think that's something we need to look at.

So I think you're 100 % right there, Chris.

The gospel of Jesus Christ involves the fact that

all of humanity, regardless of skin color, regardless of ethnic origin,

regardless of gender, regardless of status

in the community, whether the poorest of the poor or the richest of the rich,

and regardless of any level of authority, those that are

slaves in the Sudan and those that are kings and queens and

presidents and governors and mayors and corporate

executives and billionaires, all of us

are made from the same lump of clay.

We are all sinners.

We inherited a sinful nature from Adam, and we

are all doomed other than the one and only hope that all

sinners have, and that is the work of redemption

performed on Calvary, completed 100 successfully

on Calvary's cross.

Jesus Christ, the perfect man who is both God and man,

was the only suitable sacrifice for the sins of his people, and there was a

great exchange that took place on that cross where Jesus Christ,

the perfect man, hung there and took upon himself the wrath of the

Father in the place of sinners, and he paid the

full price of the penalty that sinners deserve,

and he was buried and on the third day rose again and ascended into heaven and is seated

at the right hand of the Father where he rules and reigns.

What about social justice conflicts with this that would make it

a false gospel?

Yes, amen.

You know, we almost have to say a pure and genuine religion,

a jaded

view of the world.

When I hear about social justice, and as I've taken a look at it, and I'm willing to be correct,

the gospel is

about reforming, hides racism

in societal power

structure,

ideologies

in seminaries

against a

particular group of people,

clearly in

the

case

of Christ.

He lived a perfect life.

God, He

calculates, is given

to us as a

group.

You're a part of

that.

You need to confess who lived before you who may even

be dead, and so it just goes off the rails really fast.

In fact, let's pick up right where you left off there when we come back from our first break.

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Before the break you were talking about how according to this woke movement,

and social justice ideology, white people have to

confess the sin of being white, and

allegedly admit that they are

inherently evil in a unique way.

In a way that sets white people, or those who are lacking in melanin content in their skin,

sets us apart from all the darker complected humans on earth,

in this inborn sin that not only incorporates

lightness of color in our skin, but also has

embedded in us an evil that apparently other darker

skinned people do not have, and that is a sin of

bigotry, a sin of desiring the enslavement of others, the

downfall of others, the oppressing of others, and on and on and on.

And we are to be ashamed of even our ancestors that we have never

met, and it doesn't even matter if they were slave owners or abolitionists.

This is utterly breathtaking and palpably evil

ideology, hypocritical, and I can think of no other way to describe

it other than being spawned from the very pits of hell, because it

is so greatly accepted and applauded and

celebrated by so many left -leaning individuals, and of course there are many,

I'm sure, who out of cowardice and fear of the repercussions, should they not

join the crowd who are just lying that they agree with

this, or they are keeping silent.

So if you want to pick up right where you left off there.

Yeah,

that

matters

that

much,

because ethnically,

given

that

fear,

evangelical

Christianity and

that, you know,

$10 chameleon dollars...

I'm assuming that Dr. Keller has never visited Appalachia.

Right, and that's where, you know, I currently reside.

And so I'm very aware of the, you know,

like you mentioned, it's

lots of, you know,

white...

Whereas in the... you know, you're either an Adam...

...tongue...

...hostility

between Jews...

...I...

...this is a landmine issue...

...the COVID stuff and the position you take on VAX and, you know, masks and so on and so forth.

This can be divisive within the Church, and it's difficult.

It takes wisdom, and it takes a lot of...

You know, I'm kind of getting a little ahead of myself here and talking about how to address it.

But the bottom line is, you know, you have to call it what it is, and you can't sympathize with

a counterfeit religion.

Let's just call it what it is, with false teaching.

I think...

I look at this as a Gentile heresy, just like the Judaizers saying it's Jesus plus...

...this together with Christianity.

I look at this the same way as you would with...

Would you take the Book of Mormon in your church?

Or any other sort of cult?

That's the way I view this.

Well, let's lay the ax at the root, if you will.

What is the foundational error of woke religion?

Sure.

So the foundational error, just to start by saying

this is a...

...bringing people into groups.

Doctrine of knowledge is determined...

It's a

determination

that oppressed victims...

You have more ax...

You've probably heard of, like, the...

According to woke ideology, though...

And it's...

It's not...

It's like

the

then

-concerning Christianity and the Gospel believe

that it's

based on the doctrine of man.

Who is man?

And

determined

by...

We're creating the image and likeness of God.

And so we're not even talking the same language.

I mean, we're talking...

They're talking about their identities and the power grouped by

their gender,

their

CPTQ stuff.

I mean, it just goes on and on and on.

You can keep going.

It's foundational.

We talked about...

You know,

once

you're

become an

awakened...

Grandparents

and so

on...

Last things are eschatology.

It's about an equitable utopia.

It's not about the...

Western institutional power structures and building...

I don't know if it's a great reset, but...

I don't even know what that is.

But because it's

so...

You know, you said, you know, cutting at the root.

I think when you get into these empty philosophies and you look at it biblically, you have to say, Is this an empty

philosophy?

And if it is, I think that it's...

It's potentially satanic.

It's a counterfeit religion.

It's false teaching.

I think that, you know, Satan disguised himself as an angel of light, right?

And it's not...

It's kind of taboo to talk about Satan.

And the reason why I think this is a secular religion is because people are inherently religious.

And why God

says people are going to either worship in the

tree in error.

Now, I think we have to be willing to have calm

and rational and open minded and peaceful

dialogue and conversation with people over these issues.

Because I believe that

slavery, which was not only the result of evil white people,

evil black people in Africa kidnapped and sold their own people to

evil white people.

In fact, there were even, although it was a minority of people here in the United States, there were black

slave owners who owned black slaves themselves.

Blacks that had climbed the ladder financially and

were able to buy their own homes and farms and plantations and so on.

But the fact that this evil existed not only here in the United States, but also

in Europe and still exists, black on black slavery still exists in Africa.

But the fact that this, that slavery existed here,

and then after slavery, you still had successful

efforts of bigoted white people, primarily in the South,

not exclusively, but primarily in the South, who thwarted the

prosperity and the climb on the ladder

in social and political and economic realms,

through Jim Crow laws and all kinds of things.

The fact that these things existed have prevented many

blacks, not all, obviously, there are blacks who are billionaires, but has prevented many

from catching up on those ladders of success as men view success as

far as socioeconomic and so on,

political power.

So, do you think it is wrong for us to recognize that because of a sin

that was prominent in our nation, it did and does have ripple effects, that the

difference between the way a Christian responds to these things and a leftist responds to

these things, is that the leftist is using the very evil of racism to

try to reverse the situation?

Yes,

and of

critical, is

there

any

element of

truth

in

anything

that

they're

saying?

And, and I know they're

very emotive examples, I

don't take the position that, I'm not saying

that racism isn't

even a

sin,

but I'm

simply

saying that,.

Of course, Joe Biden's nonsensical, laughably nonsensical warning to

America, that the greatest threat being posed against the health,

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Before we return to my discussion with Wes Carpenter and his book Woke Religion

Unmasking the False Gospel of Social Justice, we have some important announcements to make.

If you are a man in ministry leadership, if you are a pastor, an elder, and by

the way, I believe those are the same office, pastor and elder, a deacon,

a parachurch leader, whatever leadership position you hold as a man in the body of

Christ, you are invited to attend the next Iron Sharpens Iron Radio

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Bongiorno Conference Center in Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

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You are not going to regret that you made an extra effort to be present that day.

Our guest speaker is Dr. Conrad Mbewe, pastor of Kabwatha Baptist Church in

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I believe Dr. Conrad Mbewe is the most powerful preacher alive on the planet Earth.

I am not exaggerating.

I am not using sinful flattery or hyperbole.

This man is utterly remarkable, and not only are you going to

be admitted into this event for free and have a free meal and

enjoy the fun, the fellowship, the refreshment, and the edification of being there

for free, you are going to leave there with a very heavy sack of brand new books

that have been personally selected by me from many major publishers across the United States and the United

Kingdom that are all free of charge to you.

This event began in the 1990s through the urging of my precious late

wife, Julie.

She, in essence, launched these luncheons, and there was one thing that she insisted upon,

that there never be an admission fee and that there never be anything sold on the

premises during the event, and that there never be a hidden agenda or ulterior

motive behind treating the pastors to this time of rest, relaxation,

edification, fun and fellowship and feasting.

It was all just to be purely a gift to men in ministry leadership, to thank them for

their labors, because most of the time, and pastors will tell you this if they are invited to

something, there's typically an ulterior motive behind it.

I make no fun -drive statements for Iron Troupe and Zion Radio while there.

I don't push people to advertise on my show while they're there.

This is all just a treat to pastors, and if you want to be one of them, send me an email to chrisarnson at gmail .com

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We've got pastors coming from Texas, from North Carolina,

from Virginia, from New York, both

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where men will be traveling from.

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that's extremely important on your schedule, please try to come.

Send me an email to chrisarnson at gmail .com and put pastors luncheon in the subject line.

Once again, that's Monday, September 27th, 11 a .m. to 2 p .m. at the Bongiorno Conference Center

in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, featuring Dr. Conrad Mbewe of Kibwata Baptist Church of Lusaka,

Zambia, Africa.

Many of you may recognize that name.

He has preached at the Strange Fire Conference conducted and hosted by John MacArthur.

He has preached at the G3 Conference that you've been hearing advertised throughout this show and other major

conferences across the United States and the United Kingdom and other places.

So please try to be there if you can, absolutely free of charge.

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You don't have to believe identically with me, but you need to be promoting something that is at the very least compatible with what I believe.

And remember, folks, one of the primary reasons that I launched this program

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Last but not least, if you are not a member of a Bible -believing, biblically -faithful,

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I have extensive lists spanning the globe of biblically -faithful churches.

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That's also the email address where you can send in a question to Wes Carpenter on woke religion,

on masking the false gospel of social justice.

That's chrisharnson at gmail .com, chrisharnson at gmail .com.

And Wes, if you could, pick up where you left off as you were delving deeper into

the insanity and evil of this movement.

The

thing to

recognize,

and he

calls to be

clear at the

same time, the

call is

these

calls

of

injustice.

Humans are fallen.

We have to be everywhere in society,

human rights organization, religious institutional, you name it, the

woman child.

But not

everyone has

bias in the

sand,

as if

every conceivable thought and deed is purely motivated.

It's not buying that.

It's just too pessimistic, hyper -pessimistic.

You provide that sort of biblical clarity that yes, it's in the heart of

man, and

yes,

those who

are

of the

gospel, I think that's kind of, you know...

I agree with you.

In fact, I wanted to have a listener question asked of

you that really hinges on something that you said.

We have Christopher in western Suffolk County, New York, who says,

I have heard Chris Arnson say on Iron Trump and Zion Radio that conservatives all too

often say that there is no institutionalized and systemic racism in the United States

because there is growing institutionalized and systemic

racism here against white heterosexual males and Asians.

We are constantly repeating this idea that racism

is not institutionalized here, thinking, just like the left does, that racism only

means discrimination, oppression, and hatred of blacks and other racial minorities.

But the systemic and institutionalized racism against white heterosexual

males and Asians is palpably obvious that it exists and it is going

on the rise.

So you want to respond to that?

Yes.

Yeah,

that's a

really good

point.

I haven't personally...

Thank you so much, Christopher.

And if you would please give me your full mailing address in western Suffolk County, New York,

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So thanks a lot, Christopher.

We have another listener, not Christopher, but Christian this time, not to say that

Christopher is not a Christian, but we have Christian in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania,

and Christian wants to know, have you heard of any

in the Woke movement who are trying to disparage

those who are lighter -skinned black people with the same kind of hatred

as they do towards Caucasians?

The reason why I'm saying that is that throughout history, there has actually been bigotry

by lighter -skinned blacks towards those of darker complexions,

especially in the 19th century and years prior.

But I was wondering if the reverse is taking place, to your knowledge, because they are, quote, quote, whiter

than the darker -skinned blacks.

Yeah, that's another good question.

I try to keep an eye on what's going on, and

I haven't seen

anything that was

truly….

Yeah, you're right.

For instance, a black police officer who shoots and

perhaps even kills a black criminal or a

suspect of a crime, the black police officer will be treated with the same rhetoric as if he

is a white supremacist, regardless of how dark his skin color is.

I mean, it's pure insanity.

Right.

Yeah, I mean, like I mentioned the Uncle Tom thing earlier, and, you know,

it's

controlling knowledge.

And if

you're not,

you're….

This thing is so….

I mean, I

spent some

time in

Asia, and….

Yes.

In fact, in the Hispanic community, there is a lot of hatred against other

Hispanics because of ethnic origin.

I have known people quite well, closely, personally,

who were Puerto Ricans, who despised Mexicans and South Americans,

who were South and Central Americans, who despised Puerto Ricans, who were

Cubans, who despised Puerto Ricans and Mexicans.

I mean, and really aggressively.

And I could tell you some stories that….

It's one of those situations where you don't know whether to laugh or cry that are so absurd, but I don't want to

expose the people who said or were involved in these things.

But the white man is not the only one guilty of

hatred against neighbor just because of skin color or ethnic origin or whatever.

In the 1980s, I came out of the School of Law at

Harvard in advance, and

I think is that it was just a matter of time for this to come.

You know, we had Ferguson, and you have all these….

You have these events that take place, and it's just like, boom, that was the moment in time.

And then everyone, and even Crackademia

says, and here's how it's being pumped out into the….

You have to be careful with that because we already have the answer, and it's Christianity, and the answer isn't

to use some kind of….

And

to be

careful….

I agree, and I just remembered something that you were saying before about

how one of the reasons, just one of the many, many, many reasons this is

a false gospel and an ideology of evil and lunacy

is that white people are supposed to experience

and be ashamed of the guilt of

being white.

And yet, being white is all we could ever be, and even if one were

to try to assimilate with those of other

skin colors and ethnic origins and adopt their ways

and their practices and their speech patterns, they would be told that they

were guilty of cultural appropriation.

So it's like you can't escape.

It is just sheer and utter insanity, and not only insanity, but it's

satanic.

Utterly mind -blowing.

We do have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania, who asks, how do you

respond to someone who may even be a well -meaning Christian but

politically liberal, who says that conservatives are always talking about

the fact that the government is not intended to be in the business of

taking care of the poor.

That is the church's job, but the reality is that the

churches will never live up to that calling to take care of the poor,

and that there are even churches that believe that their only obligation is to take care of the

poor who are members of their congregations.

You don't have enough churches that are willing to really go the extra mile financially to

feed and clothe and house the poor and help them get employment, etc.

So how do you respond to these people who say that we are merely passing the buck

of responsibility, and we don't really mean what we say, we don't

walk where we talk when it comes to the government not having the

responsibility to feed and take care of those less fortunate than us?

Yeah,

you know,

they

weren't

in

need.

And then

fast

and fully satisfied means

that,

if you

don't believe this,

then

you can have no name in

the context, and

I think no.

And so in America, and

looking at

how the

goal of

Christianity in terms of meeting physical

needs, the poor you will always have with you,

the poor who put, he said she gave out of

her poverty,

in terms of helping the answer is,.

Yeah, the answer is never coveting the neighbor's goods and

stealing from your neighbor, which is what many of the leftist government

policies are doing.

Right.

You can never justify that, no matter how horrible a situation may be.

And none of these people are going to be happy if I were to somehow break into their home.

When I say these people, I mean like Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or Chuck Schumer or

any of these people are going to be pleased if I happen to be down and out in the grips of poverty.

They're not going to be happy if I break into their homes and successfully steal great amounts of wealth for them or

do it through a cyber crime or rip them off after their bank

accounts.

And in many ways,

in

my opinion, and this

is the answer,

because

it does not

promote financial independence.

Being dependent upon the government for food stamps and

so on and so forth, you're basically going to continue in poverty.

Now, that doesn't mean that people that are going through a difficult time,

any number of circumstances

tend

to finance personal finance.

And how do you get out of debt?

Debt is a huge epidemic problem in this country.

So, yeah, very good question.

And we have to go to our final break.

It's a lot briefer than the other breaks.

If you have a question, send it in immediately.

ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

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Give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence.

We'll be right back with Wes Carpenter right after these messages.

Hello, dear ones.

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Welcome back.

Wes, did you complete your thought before we went to the break?

We do have a listener question waiting for you.

Oh yeah, that was...

Okay, we have Mike from Monroe, New York.

We see a horde of Christian churches surrendering to wokeness

and now COVID -ness.

Both are, in my opinion, satanic plots to further assault the truth of the gospel and render our

witness more odious than it already is to the ungodly and unbelieving world.

However, what troubles me most are those who profess Reformed theology and

who are also finding ways to cooperate with the woke heresy and appease the wicked.

Can our brother share any thoughts on wokeness and the effect it is having on the Reformed churches

of our day?

Yeah, I can definitely sympathize with that question.

I think that, you know, we

are in a government

under a pre

-Reformed

church.

We have to believe the gospel and not be ashamed of it.

We're not...

I think there's sort of a sentiment of the church is weak right now, but the gates of

hell are not going to prevail against...

And so we can take heart, you know?

Even in prior generations,.

We look at the history of the church.

And the people faced.

You know, even that goes on all over the world right now, and we're kind of getting a dose of it, a step towards that.

I think we just trust...

Well, thank you, Mike, in Monroe, New York.

Make sure that you give us your mailing address in Monroe so that you can receive a free copy

of Woke Religion, Unmasking the False Gospel of Social Justice by Wes Carpenter.

And that also goes for all of the other listeners who sent in questions today.

Make sure you send in your mailing address so that

CVBBS, Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, can ship those free books out to you.

And once again, we want to thank Ambassador International for providing the books.

I want you to have about three minutes, Wes, to summarize what you most want etched in the

hearts and minds of our listeners today about this subject.

...Christ and

sojourn

here.

We don't need to feel guilty.

You can press on.

We win.

Christ is going to return, and we won't

be anymore.

And so, you know, the last thing I would say is

that as for

Jesus Christ, not power system.

We don't wait for vindication of perfect,

and it's not in social groups.

We're imputed with Christ's righteousness.

It's not our nation's past.

Our citizenship is in heaven, not a utopian society.

And we're at the mercy of God's providence, not privilege.

We're covered in his righteous robes, and not guilt.

And so, believe.

Believe in my

God's

power.

We're out of time, brother.

Just want to make sure that our listeners remember, if you want to purchase this book, Woke Religion, by Wes Carpenter, go to

cvbbs .com, Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, and ask for Woke Religion that was

published by Ambassador International and authored by Wes Carpenter.

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Always mention that you heard about them from Chris Orange and the Nine Trumpets On Radio.

I want to thank Wes for being such an extraordinary guest today.

I want to thank all of our listeners, especially those who took the time to write.

I want you all to have a safe and blessed and restful and refreshing and Christ

-honoring weekend and Lord's Day.

And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far, far greater Savior

than you are a sinner.