WWUTT 2200 Q&A Andy Stanley's Politics, Roman Catholic Idolatry, Grab Bag of Questions

Proverbs 1 and Wisdom’s Call to Repentance

How is Roman Catholicism idolatry? Are demons territorial? Why is wisdom a woman in the book of Proverbs? And could Jesus have sinned? The answers to these questions and others, when we understand the text.

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Here once again is Pastor Gabe. Thank you, Becky.

You're welcome. Back to Proverbs. Yes. Proverbs chapter 1 in the Legacy Standard Bible. Hear the word of the Lord. Wisdom shouts in the street. She gives forth her voice in the square. At the head of the noisy streets she calls out.

At the entrance of the gates in the city she utters her sayings. How long, O simple ones, will you love simplicity? And scoffers delight in scoffing, and fools hate knowledge. Turn to my reproof. Behold, I will pour out My Spirit on you.

I will make My words known to you. Because I called and you refused, I stretched out My hand and no one paid attention. And you neglected all My counsel and were not willing to accept My reproof. I will also laugh at your disaster.

I will mock when your dread comes, when your dread comes like a storm and your disaster comes like a whirlwind, when distress and anguish come upon you. Then they will call on Me, but I will not answer.

They will seek Me earnestly, but they will not find Me. Because they hated knowledge and did not choose the fear of Yahweh. They were not willing to accept My counsel. They spurned all My reproof. So they shall eat of the fruit of their way and be satisfied with their own devices.

For the turning away of the simple will kill them, and the complacency of fools will destroy them. But he who listens to Me shall dwell securely and will be at ease from the dread of evil. And where is it that we find wisdom?

In the Bible. In God's Word. So the way that we studied our study in Proverbs, Proverbs 1 -7, the fear of Yahweh is the beginning of knowledge. Ignorant fools despise wisdom and discipline. And here you have a picture of wisdom, the personification of wisdom, calling you to pursue wisdom.

And those who do not love wisdom or do not hear her voice will come to their destruction. Now hold on to this picture of wisdom calling out, because this actually has, providentially it has something to do with one of the questions that we're going to look at today.

Neat. I have, let's see, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 questions that we're getting to today. Are we sure? Usually we don't get to that many. Yeah, you'll see how this works out and how we end up with that many questions.

Okay. Why? It's about 12-ish questions, but only like three emails. Okay. That works. Yeah. Well, one of them is a voicemail and it's not a question, it's a compliment. But you can send your comments to, questions or comments, you can email them to us when we understand the text at gmail .com or send us a voicemail.

Go to www .utt .com and you'll see the voicemail tab right there at the top of the page. Just click on that, record a voicemail either by your phone or by computer and we'd love to hear from you. Literally hear from you.

Yes. Please do. On the Friday edition, we take questions from the listeners and you can send those questions to whenweunderstandthetextatgmail .com. Email address is the best way to get them to us. Yeah.

I'm going to start with a voicemail. Okay.

This is from John. Hang on, I got to make sure I brought this up. Did I bring this up? Well, email or voicemail, I guess.

Right. Email or, either way, it's the best way to get to us. Yes. If you leave a voicemail, it emails me. Oh. So. There's the trick. I see it in the email one way or the other. That's awesome. So this is from John.

Here's John's comment here. Hey, Gabe and Becky, this is John from Greenwood, Indiana. I wanted to follow up on my email that you answered on episode 2055 back in December about the plagiarizing pastors.

My beloved sister and her husband co-lead a church. I know, major red flags out of the gate. And I discovered that they regurgitate anti-statement sermons practically word for word most Sundays. The other Sundays they do at the movies or take a sabbatical.

My dad wanted to do a guy's trip this summer with my brother-in-law and our boys. So I had to have the conversation because I couldn't stand to go with it looming. And much like when you referenced Habakkuk, when my wife emailed you back in April for episode 2140 about God being in the presence of sin, and he doesn't want to be in fellowship with sin.

I didn't want to be in fellowship on this trip. So we had the talk, a rebuke was given. And at the end of the day, they are at peace with it. They are busy and have lots of duties outside of preaching.

And this just works for them. Most in the church know and quote, they're okay with it as well. Whatever. I do feel like this burden was lifted though. During the trip, I drove the whole way there and back about five hours, Matt Rhodes shotgun.

And we talked all things theology most of the time we find we're more aligned on things like spiritual gifts. And I got him to say, I can't believe the Calvinism, John, but you defend it better than anyone I've talked to.

I'll take it. Thank you both for all that you do. We started listening not quite a year ago and have not missed an episode yet. So blessings from Indy to Casa Grande. Take care guys. Bye. Thank you so much, John.

Oh, that's awesome. And he knows our episode numbers better than I do. I don't remember any of that. I don't either. By the way, I can tell you though, that this is episode 2200, 2200 on the podcast. Fun.

Yeah. I vaguely remember that question. I think I do remember answering that back in December. I wouldn't have remembered it was December, but I'm kind of remembering that now listening to his voicemail.

Yeah. Quoting Andy Stanley sermons. Word for word. Oh yeah. Merciful heavens. Well, Andy Stanley has been back in the news again lately. Has he really? Yeah. I've missed all that. So we, you know, we remember from 10 years ago or so, however long ago this was now when Andy was unhitching from the old Testament.

It's been that long?

It feels like it was just yesterday. I know. It's like, I still can't get over that. Why? Why? Nevermind. Don't answer that.

There's no answer. Yeah. Okay. Keep going. He's still coming up with new stuff, new ways to be controversial. So here's the latest thing from Andy Stanley. This was just last week that this one was hitting the airwaves.

Here we go. You ready? No.

Political affiliation has become the litmus test for orthodoxy. I hope you haven't seen this, but let me just tell you, what I'm about to tell you is not kind of off in a corner. This is mainline speaking and posting and books are written and chapters and books are written about this.

Okay. So I was kind of quiet when I hit play. Yeah. But he's saying that your political affiliation has become a test for orthodoxy. So whether or not you're truly a Christian might depend on whether or not you're voting Republican or Democrat.

What? Well, there, you know, going back to what I said on Saturday, if you listen to the special edition of the broadcast where I was talking about, can a Christian vote for Trump? And I said in that broadcast that a Christian cannot vote for Biden with a clear conscience because of the platform issues that the Democrats have said, these things they absolutely will do if they have power.

They will make abortion, the murder of unborn children legal. They will codify it into law. Yeah. And you're talking the thousands of unborn children that die every day by abortion in America and the Democrats will do everything to make sure that stays legal and happening every single day.

And then all the LGBTQ perversions that they fully endorse and say that they will give rights to and special privilege to all these things that, you know, Democrats will do if they have the power. Yeah.

Biden outright saying that he will do those things. Right. You as a Christian cannot vote for the Democrat Party and do that with a clear conscience. I'm not saying you've lost your faith if you have.

Yeah. Although you're going to be responsible for that vote that you cast. Yeah. And putting those kinds of things in office and giving them political and legal powers. You were complicit in that if you vote for that, especially knowing what we know about the Democrat Party.

Yeah. So, indeed, I would say that if a person is voting Democrat, you've done something sinful and you should be confronted about that. So Stanley is responding to that sort of thing by saying your political affiliation is now.

A test of orthodoxy. But there's people who don't vote because they're not in America. Now I'm not talking about that.

Okay. Right. Yeah. Well, I was assuming that's where he was going. Oh, I see. I see. Yeah. Well, even in America, if you don't vote, that's your conscience. Right. I get it. I get sitting here right now and looking at the landscape and going, my goodness, I don't know who to vote for.

Yeah. I get that. Sure. And I totally sympathize with it. I would say that you still need to be aware of like your local stuff that's going on. Oh, of course. Because there's all kinds of local elections.

President is what gets all the attention. And they're coming up, too. Yeah. That's this year. No, this month. Oh, that's right. That's right. The local elections are this month. You've got local stuff happening this month, depending on where you are, what state you're in.

Sure. But yeah, you'll have preliminary stuff. Yeah. That you got to be voting on now. That's already going on now. That's right. So the president gets all the attention. Oh, yeah. For sure. Gets too much attention.

Too much. I feel like. Yes. But you do need to be aware of things that are happening locally. Get an idea of those things and who to vote for, because there are still good politicians out there. Yes. Definitely.

I know Christian men and women who are making a difference in the political sphere. Yeah. So you do need to know who they are, cast your vote, because it will have an effect. Every election has an impact on people.

Every one of them. They're all important. Yes. And when we get into this, every election season, this is the most important election of our lifetime. Yes. Well, they're all important. They are. Yeah. Every candidate that wins slash loses, it's going to have ramifications on the lives of people.

Huge ramifications. Yeah. But ultimately, we know, as said in Daniel 2, that God is the one who sets up kings and removes kings. Yes. He is the one who has appointed these people to these respective positions.

And if it is God's will that he would bring judgment on this nation because of our wickedness, then he's going to put wicked people in power that are going to bring those things upon us. Yeah. So continue to trust in God no matter what, but as we have an opportunity to make a difference, then make a difference.

Right. So anyway, going on with Stanley here. So now I'm caught up.

Right now, the current thing, for the last three or four years, is that you can't, I was going to put this on the screen, but there are things I should never put on a screen to have a picture taken because, anyway, so.

He's got a video monitor on screen. This isn't in the corner.

These are, if I named the people who are saying these things, you've heard of most of them. You've read some of their books. You can't be a Christian and be a Democrat. You can't possibly be a true Christian if you're a Democrat, which is absolutely absurd.

But what's even more absurd is as conservative Christians, Republicans, demonize Democrats, all Democrats, and you can't possibly be a Christian, as they demonize Democrats, they basically go against one of Jesus' primary teachings.

Instead of loving their enemies, all these lost Democrats, they demonize them. They make Democrats the enemy. And what did Jesus tell us to do with our enemies? Anybody remember? Yeah. So let me just say to those of you who are conservative politically like me.

Okay, let me stop there. Yeah.

Politically conservative like me. Andy Stanley's not politically conservative. Yeah.

Okay. So I'm going to, like, jump on this. You know, what did Jesus say to do to our enemies? He didn't say make them our friends. Right. He just said to love them. And how do you show that love is you share the gospel with them.

Yes. And you pray for them. Right. This is not the love is love and, you know, all that jazz. That's ridiculous. But I'm just.

Well, Jesus also confronts the Pharisees and says, you wicked hypocrites. Get behind me, Satan. And that was his friend, you know. That was to Peter. We read that a couple of weeks ago. Just kind of.

Matthew 23, 27. But do remember, he unhitched himself. So.

Oh, yeah. Well, Stanley's unhitching himself from the New Testament now. So first you unhitch yourself from the Old Testament and then eventually you got to unhitch yourself from the whole Bible. But it's yeah.

Matthew 23, 27. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for you are like whitewashed tombs which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness. So you outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

And that's that's that's pretty huge to be told that.

And knowing that Christ is love, is he issuing that rebuke to the Pharisees in love? Of course. Absolutely. And not just to the Pharisees that they would be warned so that those who would repent would repent, but so that the people out of love for the people around him, that they would not be led astray by their false teaching.

Yeah. And the reason why we've played clips by Andy Stanley and stuff like that, same reason that you would not be led astray by this false teaching. So going on here, this is right after he has said that he is a conservative politically, which is untrue.

Andy Stanley's pro LGBTQ completely came out with all of that last year. So continuing on here.

If you do that, stop it. He's talking to Republicans. You disagree, but you don't write somebody off as bad and evil. Here's why. You think it's you think it's just kind of funny. You study history. All that has to happen in any country is for a majority to decide a minority is evil.

And once they're evil, they're cockroaches and they're rats.

So what is he. What's he saying there? What's his reference to cockroaches and rats is what the Nazis called Jews.

Oh, I was wondering about that. That's what I had popped into my head whenever he was describing, you know, one person.

So he's telling he's telling the politically conservative in his congregation that you're on the verge of becoming Nazis. Well, that's helpful. So you can't say anything bad about Democrats. But here's what I'm going to tell you.

Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Okay, like you can't call me anything, but I can call you everything, but I'm not calling you that. I'm just saying.

I mean, he went right for the Nazi. He went right for the Nazi argument. You guys are all becoming Nazis. They went right there. This guy, I tell you, yeah, I know.

That's why I avoid most of this stuff.

And seriously, has he ever, ever issued a rebuke to Democrats for being on the side of your party is completely through and through wholly devoted to abortion. The sacrifice of children that happens over a million a year.

Your party's completely devoted to that. Has he ever stood up there and warned them about what their party believes in case anybody's got blinders on their eyes? Maybe they're blue dog Democrats, and they're still thinking the Democrat Party that they're loyal to is like the Democrat Party of 30 and 40 years ago.

I mean, does he do anything to confront them and say, you have got to understand what your party is doing in America? Has he ever said anything like that? Nope. Nope.

He goes right after the conservative. I was going to say, I have no idea because I don't follow him. I highly doubt it, but I mean, I could stand corrected.

So that's where Stanley's at right now. That was the big story from him earlier this week. I'm sure that went over well. Folks, pray for America. Yes. Pray for Andy Stanley. We can rant about politics, but America needs prayer and pray for your friends.

If you've got friends that are Democrats, I do. Pray for them that they would come to understand their errors and that they would turn from the lies and the deceptions that they've been fed. They all realize what they're voting for, by the way.

And when I say friends that are Democrats, I mean, they know what they're voting for. Pray for America. Pray that God would have mercy on this nation, that revival would sweep the land. If anything's going to transform in America, it has to be that.

Laws are not going to change our hearts. Because there's been places where there have been good laws on the books and people aren't following them. Right. Here in the state of Arizona, abortion had been illegal since the 19th century.

And it was just this year that Arizona decided, hey, wait a minute, we probably should do something about that law. They weren't following it. The state of Arizona wasn't following it. So the law can be on the books, but if people's hearts are not inclined toward that law and to follow that law, then what good is it?

In order to be law keepers, then we have to have hearts and minds that have been transformed by Christ. And it takes the gospel to sweep this land and through that work, God convicting the hearts of people and turning them back to him.

I was really encouraged by Votie Bauckham, who was on the Daily Wire this past weekend. Okay. Now, the reason why I listened to it, I catch the Daily Wire only very seldom. I don't listen to it very often.

But I caught this one because Megan Basham was interviewing him. Oh, yeah. And so I listened to Votie talk about his brand new book. And he talked about that in the interview with Megan. Like laws are not going to be what will change the course of this nation.

Right. True. There has to be a change of heart and it will only happen by the mercy of God upon us. The part that we do is being out there, sharing the gospel, spreading the good news of the love of God through Jesus Christ, who died on the cross for our sins and rose again from the dead.

And that is how you share your love. That's how you love your enemies.

That's right. Most definitely. And then our enemies become our brothers and sisters in the Lord. That's right. Because we were enemies of God and we have now become children of God. Yes. All right. It's exciting.

Let's continue on here with this comment from Trevor, Gabe and Babe. Okay. Going back to the question that you answered about being made in the image of God. Genesis 9, 6 says, whoever sheds man's blood by man, his blood shall be shed for in the image of God, he made man.

So I'm with you. It wasn't just Adam who was made in the image of God. All of mankind is said to have been made in God's image even after the fall and even after the flood. Thank you for your ministry.

Yeah. So regarding that question that I answered from Scott a couple of weeks ago, that was he kind of suggested that in his question. He didn't give the reference to Genesis 9, 6, but he talked about how like post-flood he said, I can't remember how the question was worded, but he said it in there.

And so that's why I didn't give it in my answer, but I probably could have clarified it. Yeah. And given the reference to it. Sure. I went to a couple of other places where it says that we've been made in the image of God, but yeah, right there in Genesis 9, 6, it's explicit.

Post-fall and post-flood in the image of God, God made man. Yes. So yes, we are all made in God's image, not just Adam. All right. I got this voicemail here. You'll enjoy this one. I have not played this voicemail for Becky.

Yeah. So this is the first time that she is hearing this. This is a voicemail that was sent to our church. So this was on our church's answering machine. Okay. All right. This is an angry person. Oh, okay.

Doesn't like... This is why you're giggling. Okay. Doesn't like some of the things I've been saying online. All right. But I was just tickled by it. So I'm going to go ahead and play it. Here we go.

Okay. Hi. All right. I believe one of your elders of this church is called Pastor Gabriel. Yeah. So, well, just to make things clear, your pastor has been making inflammatory comments about us Catholics, and especially, you know, the Holy Mary, Holy Virgin Mary, you know.

On Twitter, he's been just saying excessive remarks about us Catholics and us apparently being pagan idolaters. First off, the Catholic Church is the original Christian church that was established. Second of all, the Pope kind of green-lit backhanding anyone that, you know, insults the Virgin Mary.

So I hope you, you know, relay this message to your so-called pastor. And, yeah, just tell him to, you know, can it with the anti-Catholic remarks. I mean, of course, you know, you American evangelicals have been having a track record of being, you know, discriminatory against Catholics and especially, you know, immigrants that are of Catholic, you know, you know, you know, dissent.

But yeah, that's pretty much it. Yeah. Anathema.

In the most loving way, anathema. So he issues anathema in the most loving way. Anathema. Okay. Okay. Which is a curse. Yeah. I curse you in love. Okay. Yeah. So the Apostle Paul is saying in Galatians chapter one, if anybody teaches a different gospel, let him be anathema.

I don't think Paul meant that in a loving way. That he's. Nope. He is, he is removed from the church. He is anathema. Loving to those people are being polluted by that kind of false teaching, certainly.

So yeah, he makes the comment about me insulting the Virgin Mary. I've never said anything online whatsoever, insulting the Virgin Mary, nowhere. Nope. What I have said is that Catholics treat Mary as an idol.

And he just called her Holy Virgin Mary, and Mary isn't holy. Well, she is now. Now. Yes. Right. But in the flesh, she was not.

In that statement, when a Roman Catholic says that, they mean and imply that she was immaculate. Right. So she was from her conception without sin. Right. She was holy. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. I'm just making sure everybody else understands. So I have said that if a Roman Catholic is bowing down to Mary and praying to her, that they are committing idolatry. And Exodus chapter 20 verses 4 and 5 say, you shall not make for yourself an idol or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

You shall not bow down to them or serve them. Now when I've quoted that verse over and over again, I'll get Roman Catholics that'll push back at me and say, well, what about the Ark of the Covenant? You had angels on the top of the Ark, so apparently God wasn't meaning that you can't ever make anything that is an image of something that is in heaven above.

And I have to tell them, that's not what I said in quoting Exodus 20 verses 4 and 5. You hear me saying, you shall not make for yourself an idol or any likeness of what is in heaven above. And you think that that's the part I'm highlighting.

That's not the part I'm highlighting. Yeah. Verse 5, you shall not bow down to them or serve them. So what are you doing when you're praying to Mary? Are you not bowing to those statues that you have?

They kneel.

Kneel. Yeah. So apparently that makes a difference. I don't know. I don't know where the logic is. Well, you were a Catholic. Yeah. I don't know where the logic is. It didn't make sense to me whenever I was learning it either.

I was just like, oh, okay, why do we do this? And then some people could answer me, some people couldn't. And it was just like, okay, we just do because we do. And then that was basically it. That's all I got out of it.

Well, another criticism that I've made with regards to Roman Catholics and idolatry is concerning the Eucharist. Because they believe in their doctrine of transubstantiation, they believe that the bread and the cup in their communion literally becomes the actual flesh of Jesus and his actual blood.

Yeah. I had a hard time taking communion after I learned that. It was so gross. Every time I got up there, I was like, oh, yeah, they take Jesus. I'm not sure how this is supposed to go.

Yeah. They take Jesus' words in John 6, if you want to enter the kingdom of God, you must eat of my flesh and drink of my blood. They take that as, okay, literally, yeah, we're going to literally cannibalize Jesus then.

Not necessarily cut him up, but apparently these things just miraculously become, these wafers become his flesh. And I'm like. Yes, it's at the. But they're still wafers. Like, they don't change, like the consistency doesn't change, the look doesn't change, nothing changes about the wafers.

So I just, I don't know if it was just my logical mind or what, but I just, that was probably the Lord saving me a lot of headache later on in life whenever I learned the truth. But you know.

Well in our own statement of faith concerning the Lord's table, it actually does say in our statement, it's just common sense that this does not transform into the literal body and blood of Jesus. Yeah.

So this is the 1689 London Baptist confession of faith. Uh-huh. That's our confession. Right. Chapter 30, paragraph 6, that doctrine, which maintains a change of the substance of bread and wine into the substance of Christ's body and blood, commonly called transubstantiation, by consecration of a priest or by any other way, is repugnant, not to scripture alone, but even to common sense and reason.

Yes. As it overthrows the nature of the ordinance and has been and is the cause of manifold superstitions, yea of gross idolatries. Yes. Because they don't just eat the Eucharist and drink the cup. They worship it because they think it's literally become Jesus.

Yeah. Yeah. I know. I had a hard time with that.

Yeah. I really did struggle. And I mean, I think I was in high school and I learned that that's what they believe was it actually became. Right. And I was like, whoa, whoa, what? And so you're in the area, you have the fields, you have the traditions, you're used to this, this is life.

So you try to adapt to what they're saying. And I just couldn't do it. I couldn't. I was like, yeah, no, I'm just going to, you guys believe what you want to believe. I'm going to believe that this is still a wafer and wine because it's Catholic.

So they had wine. But you weren't catechized to believe this is actually literally the flesh and blood of Jesus? Oh, probably. I just didn't pay attention.

You just didn't pay attention to any of it. Yeah. But no, it was when I was confirmed that I learned. I see. More and I guess paid it more attention. I don't know.

Maybe had a better teacher. This was more than just I'm attending now because of my parents, I actually have to learn this. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Sure. Well, you get an honest Catholic every once in a while, and even they will admit, yeah, if this doesn't become the body and blood of Jesus, then we're idolaters.

You ever heard of Mike Schmitz, one of the most popular Catholic teachers out there right now? You've heard of him. You've seen his videos before. Oh, really? Yeah. Because there's people that email them to us.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. OK. OK. So this is him and he's doing like a virtual mass. And he's this is his homily prior to taking the Eucharist and drinking of the cup. OK. So here's what Mike Schmitz says about whether or not Roman Catholics are idolaters because of the Eucharist.

We run a camp every summer with our junior high students and high school students work there, college students and adults. We all work together. It's an incredible couple of weeks. It's not a Catholic camp.

The camp we put on is Catholic, but the grounds are not. They belong to another Christian denomination. And at one point, the director of the camp, he came up to me and said, yeah, you know, father, the board of directors.

We had a meeting and they're really concerned that we host Catholics at our camp. It's like, oh, how come? And he said, well, because one of the one of the members of the board stood up and said, you know, that that they believe those Catholics believe that at every mass that really is Jesus.

They worship bread and wine as if that is God there. They're committing idolatry on our campground, like in our facility. Do we really want people to commit idolatry in our buildings, at our camp? And he was like, and I told him, like, no, it's not that big of a deal.

Actually, I looked at him, I was like, he's actually correct. Like that. Those are the stakes. You're right. He's right. That what we do, if it's not really Jesus, then we are the worst idolaters in the history of humanity.

That's a pretty big admission. Yeah, that's pretty huge.

Yeah, yeah.

If that doesn't become the actual flesh and blood of Jesus in the mass, then Roman Catholics are the worst idolaters in the history of humanity. Huh?

I didn't think about that whenever I was, you know, attending.

Well, now you've got it from a priest. Yep. There you go. Like I said, every once in a while, you'll get somebody who will honestly answer some of those questions. Yeah. And really, when I've had conversations with Roman Catholics in private, they'll say stuff like this.

They'll acknowledge that. You don't typically see that being the general course of conversation in public. Right. But every once in a while, you can find those things. They'll say those things to you.

I've heard even weirder stuff than that on a private level. Yeah. But avoid Roman Catholicism, folks, from their own mouth. Pray for them. Yeah. If it doesn't become the body and blood of Jesus. Share the gospel with them.

Yes. They are not partners on the mission field. They are the mission field. Yes. So win them out of this idolatrous religion that they are in by sharing the gospel and showing them what scripture actually says.

Now, for those who have been the most indoctrinated into their catechisms and things like that, that will be the most difficult because they've been brainwashed by all their false doctrine. And sometimes the deeper you go into Roman Catholicism, it's almost like if they can twist the scripture, they will.

And so it can be a very arduous labor, but a labor of love. Yes.

I know it took me a long time to figure out what is what and what is not. And I think I'm still figuring out what I did wrong, you know, back whenever I was before I was saved. And it was just eye opening about how much was wrong.

Yeah. I mean, I'm sure it's the same way with charismatics, too, is like, you just believe and you just do because that's what everybody's doing and that's what you've always done. So I'm sure it's.

Yeah. Everybody caught up in a false teaching. That's exactly what it's the only thing I've ever known. Yeah. It's the warning that Paul gives to Timothy. They are deceived and being deceived. Yes.

Yeah. And it's it's hard to rewire your brain to the truth. Keep reading the Bible and keep asking questions about scripture. Yes.

To someone trustworthy. And speaking of asking questions, this next one, we've got we've got quite a few of them here. All right. First, a correction. I said they are deceived and being deceived. I said the same thing twice.

So. Yeah. Yeah. The actual statement is this. So it's Second Timothy, chapter three, verse 12. Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. That guy that just issued an anathema on me.

That's what he wants to do. While evil people and imposters will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Jesus Christ.

And then we get to these two famous verses. All scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction and for training in righteousness. Yes. Exactly the imperative you gave that the man of God may be complete and equipped for every good work.

Yes. All right. Now let's get to this series of questions here. So this is from Lori. She says, hello, Gabe and Becky. So this is going to be like a grab bag of questions. Awesome. Every once in a while when I think of a question, I jot it down in my phone to ask my pastor.