July 29, 2020 Show with Roger Salter on “Do You Really Know God?”

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This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this 29th day

of July 2020.

And I'm always thrilled to have as a guest on my program my dear friend who is

rector of St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama, Roger Salter.

Today we are going to be addressing a very urgent theme, a very important theme, a

vital theme.

In fact, perhaps the theme involves the most important question you could be ever

asked.

Do you really know God?

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Roger Salter.

Good to be with you Chris, interviewer.

Amen.

Well, before we go into the theme, as always, tell our listeners about St. Matthew's

Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama.

We've been very quiet during the lockdown period.

A number of folk with chest problems

keep in touch

regularly.

Well, to give a more detailed description, I understand, knowing you for

quite a while now, going back to the original launch of my show in 2005,

I know that St. Matthew's is an independent Anglican church.

It is not a part of the Episcopal Church USA, nor is it a part

of any Anglo -Catholic group.

You are a thoroughly Protestant and confessionally reformed

Anglican church, adhering to the 39 articles of religion.

As a summary of your understanding of the scriptures, and would I be correct in that description?

Absolutely, Chris, and in the

background of 39 articles.

And if you want to find out more about St. Matthew's Anglican Church, you can go to

stmanglican .weebly

.com.

That's S -T -M for St. Matthew's Anglican at, I'm sorry,

dot weebly .com.

You can also go to rogersalter .com.

And salter is spelt not in the same way as the Old Testament

songbook.

It is not with a P.

It's just S -A -L -T -E -R.

And that's rogersalter .com.

Well, I also wanted to let our listeners know that

today we are giving a special tribute

to the late J .I. Packer.

Some of you might not even be aware that Dr. Packer went home to

be with the Lord very recently.

In fact, in this very month, he went home to be with the Lord.

And it was just a matter of weeks ago, just a couple of weeks.

Dr. Packer was, in fact, it was only 12

days ago.

July 17, 2020 was the exact day that Dr. Packer entered into

eternity with the Christ and Savior and King that he loved so much

and so faithfully served.

And wrote so passionately and articulately about.

But Dr. Packer has been a hero to many, especially in the Reformed faith, but not

excluding others.

And perhaps even more especially those who are evangelical Anglicans and even more

especially to theologically Reformed Anglicans.

Dr. Packer was not without his flaws.

It is a mystery to many of us that he could write so thoroughly well and

biblically sound on the gospel and on the doctrines of sovereign grace, and yet have an

ecumenical relationship with the Church of Rome.

That is still mystifying to me.

But I do not discount this dear brother as a great hero of the faith for something

that I disagree with him over, even if it's that serious.

But perhaps you could pick up where I left off to give our listeners a summary of Dr. J

.I. Packer and how you came to know him and perhaps even especially

about a book that is considered by many to be his greatest masterpiece, a

book that have led not only many to Christ, but also many to a deeper and

more biblically correct understanding of Christ, knowing God.

Yes, I'm asking you to give a summary of who Dr. Packer was and how you came to know him and

something about your affection towards his book, Knowing God.

Absolutely. Absolutely.

I mean, I was privileged.

Yes, praise God for that.

In fact, he was certainly no spring chicken.

So, it is quite

understandable how this would be a time when in his

life when he would be taken home to the Lord, obviously served the Lord

so faithfully for decades and

had written quite extensively and has

blessed many throughout the church globally

with his mastery of the scriptures in those

many volumes that he has written.

In fact, he was 94 when the Lord called him home to himself.

As I said, it is quite a mystery how Dr. Packer had maintained

an ecumenical relationship with the Church of Rome, knowing how well he knew and

understood and could so powerfully declare

the doctrines of sovereign grace and the theology of the Reformation, which we would believe to be

biblical theology, and have that kind of an ecumenical

mindset.

But as I said, I'm not going to discount a giant of the faith, a hero of the faith,

merely because of an area of his life with which I had great disagreement.

Do you have anything to comment about what I just said?

I think, Jim, if there's any way in which you could say, and I'm not saying I necessarily...

I'm probably butchering this slogan, but I have heard it said

about Augustine that the Reformation was a victory of

Augustine's soteriology over his ecclesiology.

Is that something close to what has been said about him or about the Reformation?

I think that's a very...

In fact, he was a church father before.

I mean, obviously, Roman Catholics will object vociferously to this, but we who have some

acquaintance with church history, who are heirs of the Reformation, would understand Augustine to be

a great father and teacher of the faith before there was any real

such thing as a full -blown Roman Catholic church.

Yes, you certainly can't call him a Roman

Catholic, and there

are many

ways...

Yes, so we owe a great debt to the late Dr. Packer,

and I had the privilege of seeing him preach live in person

on one occasion.

I didn't have the privilege to shake his hand or meet him face to face, but I was there very close

to the front row when he was preaching years ago at the Philadelphia Conference on Reformed

Theology at its original location, 10th Presbyterian Church in

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, where the late Dr. James Montgomery Boyce was the pastor.

That was during some of my formative years in the Christian faith, and it was somewhere...

I don't know the exact date.

Somebody listening might know exactly when Dr. Packer preached at that conference.

He may have preached there more than once.

I only saw him once, but it was somewhere between the late 1980s and early 1990s.

I know that for certain, but I am blessed to

have come to discover his writings, and of course, as I keep repeating,

Knowing God is considered by many to be

his masterpiece, perhaps his magnum opus.

I don't know if that would be a correct way of describing it, but do you have anything to say about Knowing God?

Yes, I mean, I've got three.

Copies of it

to do

in collection.

He's a

good

editor.

I'm not

quite

sure.

Amen.

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Today, as I said at the outset of the program, we are posing to you, the listener,

the most vital question that you could possibly hear.

Of course, equally as important questions could be posed with different wording, but

this really boils down to the essence of the most important thing that you could be asked, do you

really know God?

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Well, this is an important question because you have many people

who are sadly deceived into thinking they really do

know God.

In fact, we have a chilling example in, I believe it's Matthew chapter

7, if I'm not correct, when there are those who are

standing before Christ as their judge after their deaths on

that great and solemn and for some

terrifying day, when no matter what they may say in defense of

themselves and about their relationship to God, obviously if they're being cast into

hell, their confession and their description of their relationship with God is

false because they would otherwise not be going to heaven.

I mean, they would not be going to hell, I'm sorry.

But when we have those people who perform miracles in the name

of Jesus, who even cast out demons and Jesus says, you know, be gone you

workers of unrighteousness, I never knew you.

That's a pretty frightening thing to even think about.

But this is true, is it not, that there are many people who are convinced that they are on the way to heaven,

that they are safe and secure, who really believe that they know God and they don't really know God, do they?

It's a chilling

thing.

About 10 years ago.

Is this the

gospel according to

Jesus you're

speaking of?

It could well be.

It was an Alabamian author, I think a Presbyterian.

Oh, I thought you were saying John MacArthur wrote the book.

I apologize.

He wrote the foreword, Chris.

Oh, okay.

And he was warning readers.

Yes, there are people who know that we who are

theologically reformed, Calvinists, if you will, believers in the doctrines of

sovereign grace, who will say and confront us when

we have a conversation about the narrow way, the

narrow way to heaven and eternity with Christ, they will say, you know, you reformed people

do a lot of talking about grace.

You claim that grace is a primary theme in your religion.

And yet they would say that their understanding of grace is far greater and deeper

because God in his grace will overlook so much about what

we believe and understand about him.

And while I think you and I would agree with that to a point, they would extend that

so far into saying that even as the

Roman Catholic catechism teaches that Muslims adore the

same true God, the same one true God that they do as Catholics, and they would include others in that

group, they would even dare to call and I'm speaking of the

the more ecumenist, modern Catholic, who might even

include agnostics and atheists in the group of those who will be with them in heaven.

They are sometimes called anonymous Christians.

Yes, they are given a pass because people are living according to the light they have

without any conscious understanding, faith in or trust in or

love for Jesus Christ specifically.

And they some and many think that is the real beauty of grace.

That is the real depth and height and power of grace.

But it isn't that grace misdefined and

actually distorted and twisted into a point where it is teaching

damnable heresy.

Yes, it's a matter of

presumption

and

it's

not...

Yes, and

of

course

you and I

would not

be on

the.

Opposite extreme of that.

We do not have some kind of rigid understanding of only five -point Calvinists

entering into heaven.

There are unfortunately some, and I think

that they are a

the importance of being meticulous on every jot and tittle of theology

in order to be saved.

And we would reject that.

We would believe that there are many who trust in the finished work of Christ, who

believe in his deity and believe in his death, burial, and resurrection, and ascension, and

that he is seated in the right hand of the Father.

They believe in his sinless perfectionism and

the pillars of the faith, and yet sadly they don't understand or

believe in or sometimes even reject the doctrines we call the

doctrines of sovereign grace or reformed theology.

But we would say that there are many in their ranks who are in heaven in spite of

their ignorance.

So I'm sure you would agree with me on that point that we are not some kind of sectarian

cultic group of folks who believe that there's going to

be an in -depth theological quiz or something at the judgment seat,

where you better get every jot and tittle correct before you're let into the kingdom of heaven,

before you're let through the pearly gates and enter into eternity with Christ.

And

by

the

way,

amen

and

amen.

We're

going

to

our first

break right

now,

and

Roger,

I just.

Forwarded you a question from Bruce in Birmingham, Alabama.

And so this way, since it's fairly lengthy, you'll be able to read it.

And when we come back from the break, I will ask you the question on the air.

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This is Chris Arntzen, as he just tuned us in.

Our guest today for the whole program is Pastor Roger Salter, who is

rector at St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama, a confessionally

Protestant and Reformed Anglican assembly, independent and

thoroughly opposed to both the leftist apostate wing of Episcopalianism and

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If you have a question, we are discussing Do You Really Know God?

And our email address is chrisarntzen at gmail .com.

Chrisarntzen at gmail .com.

Before we go to Bruce in Alabama's question, I did want you to clarify something

you were discussing before the break, how you view Arminianism to be a heresy.

But I gather from your comment that you believe that those

that are not logically consistent with that view, in the end

results of that logical, consistent understanding of that theology, that they

would be expected to be in heaven with us.

And that, as J .I. Packer once said himself, that all Christians are

Calvinists on their knees, because many who are our brethren in

Christ, who are among the evangelical Arminians, when they are praying to the Lord, they are giving him

full authority over their lives and the lives of their loved ones.

They are giving 100 of the credit of their salvation to Christ alone and to

the Triune Godhead, as well as the salvation of anybody that they know.

They are not taking credit for themselves and so on when they are in prayer.

So am I getting basically the concept of what you were discussing before the break?

Are you there Roger?

Well, it seems that we've lost Roger.

I'm going to have to go to another break.

I don't know where Roger is, but we're going to have to find out what happened to Roger and hopefully he'll call

us back.

I am going to go to one commercial break and perhaps he will...

Here he is calling us back.

Roger, are you there?

Hello Roger, are you there?

I'm not sure why Roger is not able to speak.

Can you hear us?

Can you hear me?

Now I can, yes.

Great, that's grand.

Okay, I don't know if you heard anything I said.

I did, I did.

Oh, you did?

Yes.

Okay,

so

could

you

answer

that question?

Let's go

to

Bruce's

question

from

Birmingham,

Alabama.

And Bruce says, Hi Chris and Roger, thank you for this program and sharing thoughts on this critical topic.

Is it possible to know God and still not have faith in him?

Reference the parable of the seed on rock, on road rocks

from bushes, I'm sorry, thorn bushes, fertile soil,

which I take to mean an analogy for the state of one's heart as able to receive the gift of

faith in Jesus.

Yes.

So could all those hearts know God but not have faith in

Jesus and love him per the fertile heart?

Best regards and keep charging Bruce from Birmingham.

Yeah, I think that really depends on how you define know.

I think in the theme of our show today, do you really know God?

We are speaking about the know that involves a familial

intimacy that extends infinitely beyond merely a

psychological or intellectual understanding.

Because if that kind of belief is the belief that our listener is

referring to, that alone cannot save anybody as the epistle of James clearly states.

But if you could answer Bruce's question on your own.

Well, that term.

Union

is

in

the garden

with

Adam

and

Eve.

Adam

knew

Eve.

In

fact,

if

you

could

pick

up.

Right where you left off about the witness of the spirit and witness of our own longing to Christ, because we have to go to our midway break right now.

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And Roger, right before the break I had to interrupt you mid -sentence.

You were answering the question of Bruce in Birmingham, Alabama on can it be

possible for somebody to know God but not have faith in him.

And I believe you were quoting from the Book of Common Prayer, if I'm not mistaken.

I could be wrong because a lot was going on during the commercial break that kind of distracted me.

But if you could, pick up where you left off.

Yes, I may know God without

his gift.

Or even be a genius who is a brilliant theological and biblical scholar.

There are many among those ranks who are as lost as the drug dealer and the

prostitute and the serial killer.

Hello, Roger?

Are you there?

Yes, Chris.

Yes.

So I'm sorry I interrupted you.

Continue.

Oh, that's all right.

By the way, could I ask a question, Chris?

Was the contemporary Anglican author you were thinking of, Tom Isham?

Exactly, yes.

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I continue to be a dedicated and thoroughly Baptistic Reformed

individual.

But I love my Anglican brethren.

And I don't know if you saw it.

I have some many phone numbers for you that I don't know if I was texting you at the right

cell phone number.

But I did send you another question.

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Now, I did send you a question from another listener, as I was saying before, just a few moments

ago.

Michael in Amityville, Long Island, New York.

And I have to, once again, I don't know where his question went.

I had it right in front of me.

Now I have to enlarge it again because of the font size being microscopic.

So I'm doing that right now.

And actually, Michael in Amityville, Long Island,

has a number of questions here.

And since he is a first -time questioner, I am going to read them all.

First of all, how often do you.

Observe Holy Communion?

The second and fourth Sundays of the month.

Okay.

And what prayer book are you using?

It's the modern version of 1662 from the prayer book Preservations.

Do you feel.

Comfortable being independent without the oversight of a bishop?

Well, when I came to.

Remember

the

continuing

movement

saying

this.

And lastly,

what

is

the

brief

history

behind.

St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama?

British history?

No, what is the brief.

History?

What is a brief history?

Oh gosh.

I mean, I came to enjoy Catholics, people who'd never

even look to the back of their prayer book to realize that there

were 30, 39 articles.

Yes, I could give a hearty amen to everything that you just said.

I think, unfortunately, and this is not exclusive to Anglicans,

but there are those that become so enamored with a

particular denomination, possibly due to its liturgy,

its form of worship, its music, its history and

historical heroes.

They get so enamored with that that they would rather see

somebody under the oversight or submitting to the bishops of that

denomination, even if they happen to be apostates.

You know what I'm saying?

They're so committed to the continuance of the relevance

of bishops in an apostolic succession or something, or whatever the case is according to the

denomination, that they have that cloud of the most important things

of all.

Absolutely.

I mean, we define the apostolic as the word of God and those who preach it.

Yeah, it's like the church where nearly

everybody who's a member there is a pastor of something.

That's right.

You have the pastor of the coat room, you have the pastor of a lunch

fellowship, and, you know, the pastor of lawn

maintenance.

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So thanks for contributing your questions today.

I think that we have to return to now our theme.

It's such a vital theme.

Please explain in further depth why you emphasize

the word really in the question,.

Do

you

really

know

God?

Because

I did a

piece

with

him.

Of

course.

To

linger,

in

any

way

we

discover,

and

the

beauty

of

his

purpose

is

to go

to

scripture.

Excellent.

We.

Have an anonymous listener who asks, I know pastors who

have told me personally that if I ever question my own salvation, it is a

sign that I am not saved.

Are these pastors speaking truthfully from the Word of God?

Well, no, and I'm saying that briefly and shortly, I'd rather...

Perhaps you could further explain and clarify, you just said, not that you mean we should examine

ourselves.

I didn't quite understand that because I thought that the Bible told us to examine ourselves, perhaps even especially when we

partake of the Lord's Supper.

And things

like that.

I

didn't

mean

that in

the

sense...

The day that he let God

save

him.

I

know

the test taken

out

of

ourselves.

We're not

special.

And

of

course,.

Asking the question, am I saved?

Am I really saved?

Could mean that the person is lost.

It just doesn't necessarily mean that.

And it's a far better thing for a lost person to be questioning.

Their salvation than to be convinced of it.

Yes.

I mean, there are people

convinced.

You get

this?

Yes.

And I

remember

Spurgeon

also saying that sometimes dear saints who are very.

Aware of their sin and more sensitive to their disobedience to God are

sometimes unfortunately plagued with doubts of their salvation.

And that obviously does not mean that they are lost.

And this is true.

Sorry, Chris.

As a 10 year old, I went

to times a year because my conversion...

Of course, there is that passage in

2nd Peter chapter 1 verse 10 that tells us, therefore

brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about his calling, meaning

God's calling and choosing you.

For as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble.

And obviously this has nothing to do with

being given an insight into the secret things of God and involved

in his divine election.

It's not like, for instance, there are people that have said

to me or even sent in a question to one of my guests

that they are terrified that even though they love Christ, they've repented, are following

him not perfectly as no one could, but at least faithfully, they still

are terrified that they are not of the elect because they have a wrong understanding about that.

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And even if they sin, which they do, they get up and they

repent and they follow him faithfully again.

So this text is to examine our hearts and lives,

not that we are to somehow.

Have an insight into the window of the secret things of God.

Yes, I am here.

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ChrisArnsett at gmail .com, we do have another anonymous listener who asks,.

I have been told by a what seems to be reliable Anglican source

that the reason why the Anglo -Catholic wing of Anglicanism still

exists is because its bishops would not maintain or retain

their status as bishops were they to convert to Roman Catholicism,

otherwise there doesn't seem to be a single thing stopping them other than this fact.

Does your guest.

Agree?

That's

true in

some

instances, Chris,

to retain

the Vatican

and the

free

gift of

salvation and I can honestly tell you whenever...

Praise

God.

Well, if you could in two minutes summarize what you most want to enter into the hearts and minds of our listeners

today.

It may not be on target, Chris, but I did make the note that

we

always

will

be taken

to the

problem.

And well,

God

bless

you.

You

have

been, as you

always.

Are, such a phenomenal guest.

I want to repeat, if anybody wants to find out more about Roger Salter and

St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama, go to STM, which is an abbreviation

for St. Matthew's, stmanglican .weebly .com,

stmanglican .weebly .com, and you can also go to rogersalter .com,

rogersalter .com.

Thank you so much, Roger.

Everybody who wrote in questions today will get a free copy of Knowing God by J .I. Packer

sent to you by cvbbs .com if you give me your full mailing addresses, including those who wrote in

anonymously.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than

you are a sinner.