Interaction with Diaa Mohamed

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Opening Banter and Upcoming Radio Free Geneva

And welcome to the dividing line on a Tuesday morning. Not a real pretty morning here in Phoenix sort of gray and gray. One's bat. Well, I saw yesterday. They had a 10 chance of rain and and we we hit the jackpot.

We beat the we beat the the stuff. Why is there main channels expecting some big huge long dividing line? I'm never saying about a big dividing line today. I I didn't say a word about it's it is the dividing line.

It's it's not an uber dividing line. It's not a mega dividing line. So it's not a Tara dividing line or an uber mega. It's a half of an uber. How's that? It's a sort of uber something like that anyway anyhow.

We have lots to do in the time that we have. I will mention that it is our intention anyways. That on Thursday at the regular time, which also is our intention. We will be doing a radio free Geneva. It is not one of those where.

Sometimes we do radio free Geneva's because we run across something where someone just Does a theological faceplant, okay, I Mean, I mean exegetical faceplants and and theological faceplants and philosophical faceplants and all that stuff and.

Yeah, you know if the people in channel do not start stop complaining about the length we're gonna go to half-hour dividing lines for a while just simply to whip them into shape and. So I'll be thankful for what they get and then we can go back to doing other I think this anyway sometimes we do to radio free Geneva because someone has you know, just out of Abject detestation for reform theology says something really dumb.

Okay, really dumb like the stuff in the Catholic answers forums. You know Accusing us. Oh, by the way, the phone lines are open for Ignatius only. Okay, or what was that other guy Robert Filmer or what was his name?

David Filmer I think was the name. Whichever one either those guys from the Catholic answers forums if they call in and especially if Ignatius wants to call in and Explain about how I'm a chicken. Because I won't debate Robertson genus after the five times a debate him when I debate him three times last year.

And if he'd like to explain his evidence for his libelous statement that we have edited The Mitch Pacwa debates so that because cuz I mean I just I lose every debate I do and so we have to edit everything and and if these guys would like to call in and Substantiate their libelous or slanderous statements depending on whether they are in printed form or spoken form eight seven seven seven five three three three four one other than that.

But probably won't be taking phone calls today because we want to jump back into the two series if you're doing but if they want to call in David Filmer yeah, well, we'll let those guys call him if they want to do that along with Guardian.

Still waiting for Guardian, I think it's been. I forgot to ask I'll go. I didn't see I'll go in channel, but algos in channel right now and So I he should he should remember the exact day. I'm sure that Guardian called in and exactly how much time.

Someone in channel who will not be mentioned just changed their nick to short DL's stink. I Don't remember ever doing a short deal except that one time remember I had the back spasm. That was the shortest deal.

We ever did. I got hit with that back spasm. I just couldn't keep going and. And that's the way it is so anyways Guardian can call in and Other than that we're gonna stick with what we've got so This radio free Geneva is not about someone Necessarily doing that this radio free Geneva, which we will do on Thursday.

Which might go for 90 minutes? Maybe it might not maybe I shall not be bullied by even weeping women in channel. Or in Korea, that's right. There's lots of people weeping in North Korea right now why they're weeping I don't know.

I think they're being paid because most of them are like oh, yes but Occupy PR BC we are the 99 minutes. Okay Boy, I am really tempted to send somebody flying right out of the channel on that one. But I'm not gonna do that anyhow this radio free Geneva will not be one of those.

The fellow that we're gonna be reviewing is a nice fellow. I've actually talked about the book that he wrote last year. I don't know what I did. I did 10 -15 minutes on it. I think I'll go would remember specifically When I talked about the book that he put out to John Calvin goes to Berkeley and I Discussed that last year or actually earlier this year.

I think it was when it was no no no no it was it was. It was late last year now. I think about it. Because I remember I was listening to that specific Book on a ride out on dynamite Road when I had one of my rapid heartbeat thingy-mabob ease.

So that would have been late in in 2009 anyhow, we're going to be reviewing a sermon that he did just recently on Calvinism and Responding to some of the things that are are said there that'll be on Thursday.

So all the whiners who don't appreciate the regular-sized dividing line today will have to Tune back in on Thursday for a radio free Geneva and that makes everybody happy as soon as they start hearing A mighty fortress as soon as I hear that then they all just smile and that'll be our Christmas gift.

It's everybody is a radio free Geneva right before yes. They really do really do like that all right, let's get back into Our two series that we're doing and I've already invested five minutes on that one.

Let's Dive back in here. We're gonna be continuing first we'll do some more with DIA Muhammad and Samuel Green and then back into Bart Ehrman's opening statement and Let's let's get going.

Diaa Muhammad on Jesus, the Trinity, and the Sufficiency of the Quran

Now. Over and over and over Jesus shows his he's humanist. Over and over He says in no man of that day refer to the Day of Judgment.

Now if you just happen to be if you just happen to be tuning in this is a debate where DIA Muhammad a Muslim in Australia is Seeking to argue against the deity of Christ and once again. We are we have to be impressed with the willingness of Publicly speaking Muslim representatives to misrepresent or show a an abysmal Understanding of The religions that they are saying and will send you to hell now again There are sadly many many Christians who will do the exact same thing in regards to Islam the the large number of People who make comments about Islam in the world today Don't know much about it.

And if they're willing to just ship everybody off to hell without even understanding what they're talking about okay. You know so it goes on on both sides. But it would at least I think be good for for mr. Muhammad To listen to our comments and to take some time to maybe read some books.

One of the things that has concerned me, and I didn't bring this hadith in with me but one of the things that that does concern me in seeking to Bring about meaningful dialogue I yesterday I was listening to the debate that I did with Shabir Ali and I listened to the second of the two debates that we did in London back in 2008 I believe it was Somewhere around there on this is the one that went late in the night all the way to midnight or so I Really, you know in fact it is I was thinking I really need to find the email address for the pastor of that church again and write to him and thank him once again for not only having let us it was a twin home Baptist Church there in London and Right to the pastor again and thank him because you know he was there right to the last voice that you hear.

And I know it was after midnight was the pastor of that church, and there aren't too many churches Open up Muslims coming in and things like that it was it was it was great anyways I was listening to the debate I did with with Shabir Ali and by the way right now Let me put this out there.

I Need help from folks in Toronto. I need help folks in Toronto in March I'm going to talk to the folks that are putting on the Cambridge Bible Conference up there they're gonna be speaking at in March March 23rd and 24th, I believe that is and Right now Shabir, and I have Figured out that the 22nd of March is Probably the best night The best day night whatever for a debate between he and I.

But right now we be flying by the seat of our pants we got no place to go. We got no we got no place to put it at. I Need I need some I need some of the brothers and sisters up in Toronto to get in touch with me and and See if they can coordinate with me with some of the folks that are putting on the Cambridge Bible Conference.

But they're gonna have a lot that they've got going on. We need a location and we need folks to help us put it together and so me and Shabir Ali debating up in in Toronto and this would be our fifth debate together and So Let's Let's get some hopefully hear from some folks up there because we need to put that together.

But for folks up in Toronto we are planning on having a debate there in March and What may happen this is one of the reasons I I was a little frustrated yesterday I had planned to come in and get all this work done in this one chapter and I ended up with a Billion of other things happening and one of them was trying to coordinate Another debate possibly the next week in, Texas With Adam Dean.

This is when I had mentioned that had originally been planned for January. But they had some internal issues and so we had to move it back. And so now we're looking at The week after that and I go and send them an email where I always use April instead of March.

And they were all confused by that and I had to send them an email back. I'm sorry. I'm brainless, but I don't have a Secretary to to do these things. So I got it. I got it all myself and sometimes I I don't I don't do that all that well, so possibilities of two Islamic debates In March, let's hope that those come together and that we can make the travel plans work together and all the rest that kind of stuff.

That'll be that'll be coming up. But anyways, I'm not sure exactly. I think the reason I mentioned that was I was saying that it would Be good. If mr. Muhammad would take the time to listen to and to understand what it is.

We believe and to do what we do in preparation for Debates and to listen to all of the material I was I was listening to my debate with Shabir and it was it was that one section where I just kept hitting him so hard on his Inconsistencies the materials he was using and he tried to explain his way out of it and say well, you know if I were to follow your exhortations and an abandoned Islam then I would become a secular humanist and so I should examine Christianity using secular humanist examples and It was it was one of the more amazing in my thoughts attempts to explain the activity on the part of Muslims even even Muslims as as Easy to get along with As Shabir Ali in using one standard in attacking Christianity and a completely different standard in defending Islam and And Here you're seeing the same thing on a much lower level in my opinion with with diya Muhammad is that Clearly has not done any first-level study on his own and That's because sometimes I'm worried.

It's because of this one hadith that I started to mention. We're one of the companions and I need to pull this one out. I need to have it More closely memorized than I do. I know the story, but I don't remember who the individuals involved were.

Maybe somebody will pop in the channel and remind me of that. But as it may it was one of the one of the companions Encounters Muhammad and the companion is reading from if I recall it was the Torah and Muhammad asks him what are you doing?

And he says I you know, I felt it'd be good to know what these scriptures say and I'm reading reading the Torah and Muhammad's face becomes red. He doesn't say anything but when his face became red, you know, he was angry and Finally when he does speak he in essence emphasizes the sufficiency of the Quran and therefore the the lack of need on the part of any Muslims to ever read the Christian scriptures whether it's Old Testament or New Testament Torah or in jail and It really strikes me That and listening to do Muhammad.

That's the attitude that we've got that we've got someone who's Who is not even making the beginning of a of an attempt? to accurately understand the text of the Bible. Now obviously if we say that and we say that by way of criticism Then it becomes incumbent upon us if we are people of truth To seek to accurately interpret and understand in context in its historical context of the Quran as well and That certainly is something we attempt to do.

The chapter I'm working on right now. That's right where I am is is Exegeting as best I can the Quran but that then runs us into a real difficult problem too and that is. Okay, I'll go I'll go look at what Ibn Kathir has to say.

I'll see if this reference comes up in An Ibn Ishaq or something like that I'll take a look at Al-Qurtabi and Tabari and and so on so forth. I'll try to find the early Tafsir literature and look at things like that.

But be honest with you there are many many times that you look at Ibn Kathir and You read the Quranic text and you go. They're not much of a connection here, I mean the traditions developed very very early in many instances and You just don't find in The vast majority of Islamic writings the kind of exegesis that you find in good meaningful Biblical commentaries at all and I'm not talking about the liberal chop it up and and turn into sushi type stuff.

I'm talking about the in-depth Excellent commentaries that are out there these days it's it's sort of sort of parallels what you've got as far as as as computer programs for both because I I'm just sitting here looking at my screen and over on one One monitor I have accordance Bible software up and I just think of what this thing's capable of doing and the resources are there.

And I've got Logos I can fire up on this thing. There just isn't anything like that. And I see Abdullah Kunda just joined joined the channel hello Abdullah and You look at they look at the stuff that's available.

You've got the Aleem and I've got Zekir and I've got a few other programs like this. Just just almost nothing in comparison now. I'm gonna have to ask since he's since he's on since he's in channel I bet she is listening Abdullah you were at this debate.

I heard you ask a question you asked it of Sam of course Samuel of course. But I just got to ask you man, and I've mentioned I said I was gonna write to you. And I never got around to it. I apologize, but now I'm putting them on the spot.

You you listen to this bait. How could you not be sitting there is Umar. Thank you. I thought it was Umar. I almost said it was Umar. But Now that's interesting. Because my picture of Umar in my mind is a big huge military, dude.

And you think about now you think about Uthman and Uthman. You know is more of the studier. You know I mean he's murdered while reading the Quran and stuff like that. Umar you know Umar is the guy that is in the middle of the the huge debate between the Sunnis and the Shia on the subject of Well It's an event that had a lot to do with the the Sunni Shia split and sometime we're just gonna have to do a Discussion of this.

Because I've been reading a lot of that stuff, and it has been very very very very interesting but Umar broke through a door and and Fatima is injured and miscarries and all this stuff and one side says it was Mistaken one side said it was purposeful and blah blah blah blah and all this stuff.

It's very very very interesting and y 'all can take a look at that at some other point in time because I'm not gonna get much more of this debate done if I don't hurry up, but anyways I've just got to say to to to Abdullah.

I've just got a just got to ask you my friend. When you're sitting there listening to That this kind of representation, and you know it's not John 5 -7. It's first John 5 -7 and and you know that there's so much more to the doctrine the truth.

Aren't you sort of cringing a little bit? Do you talk to the guy afterwards and say? You know you really got to do some some more study here how does that work on that side because you know I've I've criticized many a person who has engaged in debates with Muslims for just not being prepared and just getting run over like a Like a bug in a bug in the middle of road or something like that.

So I just wonder what goes on on you guys's side along those. Hard to listen to indeed, okay I don't necessarily want to put you on the spot, but I would like to hope. Okay, all right first time you met him all right I would like to hope that you would take him aside and as best you could for somebody obviously doesn't know who you are.

Sort of say hey you need to help you out here a little bit, so anyways. Let's get back to the comments here because Oh Okay, yeah, so you would agree with me I know this is sort of how Rush Limbaugh does radio.

But you would agree with me then that he pretty much is just simply following Akhmet Didat and and it's just regurgitating Akhmet Didat stuff which. Yeah, okay good. I'm I'm glad you did that I'm feeling good that you did that all right.

Let's let's continue on with with mr.. Muhammad's presentation here now. He's gonna get to what seems to me He found something online, and he's just following these these these arguments because he never develops anything about context at all and Sometimes that's due to time, but I didn't get the feeling this is a time issue.

I felt this was a preparation issue of that day.

The Hadith About Umar and the Sufficiency of the Quran

No man nor the Sun referring to himself nor the angels were north of that day. If you go to the Christian theology Father Son and Holy Ghost they co-equal co-powerful and co-acknowledged. There's no difference between the Father Son and Holy Ghost.

Really no difference as in that would explain why beforehand. He said Jesus was the Father Son and Holy Spirit. Evidently a Major level of confusion on his part in regards to the The identity of who became incarnate it was the son not the father nor the spirit etc etc.

And again, I I just if DIA Muhammad were to listen, and I I Never got a response back from the email that I that I sent to him, and I think I sent it a second time. So it's been ignored twice so I sort of figure well either I've got a bad email address or he's just not gonna respond to me one way or the other.

But if he were to listen My my hope would be that he would recognize that his arguments are indeed deficient and that he needs to Just not just on a basic level of honesty. You know, I've said many times one of the 99 beautiful names is al-haq the the truth and if if you consider that to be something that is beautiful if you consider that to be something that's descriptive of God, then we are under under a Absolute moral necessity to be as truthful as we know how to be in any one of these situations and To represent to misrepresent the other side.

I mean I could come up with some possible examples of how badly we might misrepresent the Islamic side. But there there really isn't a reason to do so.

So how can you not know that day. Jesus says no man nor the Son nor the angels will know of that day again from the Bible. Someone walks to Jesus says oh good master. Jesus says why does our call me good when the only good is in heaven?

He can't say that if he is God Almighty. He cannot look Dr. Sam he's human. I'm gonna say, you know, he's the most knowledgeable man. I've ever come across. He knows the Bible. He knows Islam and out of humility because he's human.

He can say look honestly, they are not that. Please stop it. You know, who's really slaughter was my teacher reverend so-and-so who taught me that's humility. That's it's a human characteristic.

Well, let me just ask aside from the fact that it seems to me that the dear Muhammad is missing the point. That's that mark is recording for us here in regards to Jesus seeking to address the young man and to Get the young man to understand who he's dealing with and what the nature of goodness is.

The illustration he uses here doesn't seem to make much sense to me from the Islamic perspective because once again does he believe that Jesus was sinless and does that mean he was good and From whom did Jesus receive the knowledge that he had.

I mean the illustration just uses of one human being Learning something from another human being but is that we're Muslim. I'm sorry. Is that where prophets get their knowledge in the first place? That it just doesn't seem that he's understanding because again he keeps saying well Jesus was human.

Jesus human. What kind of human we believe. Jesus was human. He was the God man. We believe that. But what does that mean about the humanity? Was it sinful?

That's that's one of the issues, you know, I used to love playing basketball. Wasn't too humble actually. It's probably a bad example, but.

So say you're good. I know but Jesus Christ when. Yeah, I wonder if mr. Muhammad is tall. That would be interesting to find out when someone said, oh good.

He cannot he was yes except he's Lord. He's Lord and Savior. He cannot say what is that. Call me good. I think the only good is the Father in heaven.

It didn't say the Father in heaven. That's again Assuming Unitarianism rather than proving Unitarianism. You know if you if you think we're modalists then there's all sorts of reasons to to argue against modalism as we have done many times here on this program but If you understand what the doctrine the Trinity is you're not gonna be arguing along these lines.

It just it just. But again the reason we do this is because the vast majority of Muslims you can speak to Possess these misunderstandings and so you have to be prepared for him because he's human and he's showing he's he's the human side.

He's showing his humility. He's humbleness. So we come back to the Muslim view for view, why don't we accept Jesus as Lord? Why don't we accept his blood?

The simple answer is now, you know, it's interesting. Why don't we accept Jesus as Lord? Why don't we accept his blood? Hmm I hadn't caught that before. But obviously there's Historically two different issues there and certainly they're they're closely connected but it is interesting to try to enter into the mindset of What the Lordship of Jesus means to this particular Muslim in Relationship to his sacrifice.

That's That that's helpful to consider. Is he apart from the Quran telling us to? He never told us to.

If if our salvation depends on that. On a theory that he never once preached so a lot of what the Christian theology is preaching Paul a.

Theory that he never once preached. I Think at one point in time, he's actually gonna make the statement. Jesus never said he was Lord. I just I sort of sit here going you call me Lord and rightly so and What was he with how many times is he addressed by the term courios by the disciples and Are We're actually supposed to believe that he was going.

Oh, no. No, I'm not that no, I'm not that. I mean It's really hard to even begin to understand that something tells me that he has confused Lord and God and so he's drawing from Achaemenida never, you know, there's no one unequivocal blah blah blah and Doesn't seem to understand what the what the real relationship is Paul Paul.

14 out of the 27 books of the New Testament was written by Paul 13 actually.

You're assuming Hebrews. There might be people who agree with you on that but it's it's actually 13. If you and if you follow Bart Ehrman, it's only seven so.

Paul was a self-appointed disciple who never walked with Jesus talked to Jesus sat with Jesus.

So The basis for calling him a liar is exactly what because even the disciples Accepted the assertion that The Apostle Paul was an apostle and that he was called by Jesus Christ and that he in fact had Communicated with him.

Now if what he's saying is Paul Was not one of the disciples during Jesus's earthly ministry. Okay, that's that's a different different thing.

But still. But all of a sudden he became the most knowledgeable one. In fact Michael H Hart who authored a book the hundred most influential men I want to tell you number one is because probably will tell you but Number one was the prophet Muhammad this man was a Christian.

He wasn't a Muslim mind you number one prophet Muhammad number three who was number three. Can you guess this. Jesus number three and. It's not banking on Michael H Hart. He could have been a liar or lunatic also, I don't know but his ration and number two was Paul and his rationale his justification was Credit of Christianity must be devoted, you know, I.

And it says he's a channel he may get chuckle out of this. I listened to the debate That Abdullah Kunda did with Samuel Green After our debate it so it's very very recent. It was about Muhammad and After Samuel gave his presentation when Abdullah got up he sort of made a comment at the beginning and I don't remember the specifics if he can feel free to feel free to correct me and channel if he wishes.

But it was something along the lines of now. Here's good evidence that we Muslims You know are good folks. Because even though some things that were said there were I forget the terminology used. But what he was referring to was since Samuel had basically said Muhammad is a false prophet.

I Said some of the things Samuel said there were pretty controversial yet. You know He wasn't interrupted and we're all still here and and the debates going on and and you know This demonstrates that we can we can do this and we can maintain control and so on and so forth everybody knows.

Because we see what happens to people in many Islamic lands who we all know the infamous Blasphemy law in Pakistan that is used as a as a bat to to beat Christians over the head with I heard you Blaspheme Muhammad and you end up in jail for you know three months Or three years or something else or dead any of those types of things.

We know that to say something about Muhammad in the context of Islam is Emotionally charged and yet Ironically Muslims can say really strident things About extreme people who are extremely important to us and it's like they don't even realize I mean the the the absolute calumnies That are launched out of abject ignorance by Muslims Against the Apostle Paul are are amazing to me and as one who has spent a fair part of my life in teaching and preaching those books written by the Apostle Paul and translating them and seeking to understand them and and Appreciating so deeply The faithfulness and sacrifice of This tremendous servant of Christ I'll admit it's it's one of those things that often Pushes my buttons and and and makes me want to just expose The ignorance out of which these words are being spoken.

I mean, I'm thinking of one particular apologist Not in our chat channel at the moment, by the way. But one particular apologist I saw a video of him He debated David Wood a number of years ago and then went off to Saudi or someplace.

I think. And He's back now and It's his specialty I guess to attack Paul to go after the Apostle Paul and I'm looking forward to the opportunity someday of of engaging him because I really Once again, I know the sources these folks are drawing from.

That was one of the great advantages of going to fuller theological seminary and being exposed to the the the left I know the sources. These folks are are Pulling from oh, hey, I'm sorry Ralph. I didn't even see that you had done that there's the there's the Hadith reference and It'd be interesting if you have that Ralph to go ahead and post it and channel because I'd like to I'd like to read it If I could.

If you could pull that up for me That would be great. For those of you who are new to the program. We have a chat channel through Alpha Omega Ministries. We've had it since 1996 and I look over there every once in a while and see what folks are saying and It's live webcasting, that's the way it is.

Can you imagine if there is a chat channel for Rush Limbaugh, you know He couldn't even follow it like that but Be as it may I'm pretty certain. I have seen that Hadith in Bukhari as well. But I will have to check that I have it in my in my book materials.

I just didn't bring it in here with me today. So that's why I'm sort of wondering about that. But It hasn't shown up there yet. So I'll have to check that out. There it is. Um, ah Umar Ibn Al-Khattab brought to Allah's messenger a copy of the Torah and said Allah's messengers the copy of the Torah.

He allows message you kept quiet and he Umar began to read it the color and you'll notice. This is a British rendering because it's misspelled. It's C-o-l-o-u-r. Oh great and now they've both posted it and it's not.

Look at that we've got we've got three different people have posted at the same time. So now I don't have a clue which one. Which what switch let's let's scroll back here now. See if I can find it as it was.

Thank you to Abdullah turd and fan and Ralph for all posting the same. Okay, let's go back here. The color C-o-l-o-u-r of the face of Allah's messenger peace be upon him underwent a change whereupon Abu Bakr said would that your mother mourn you don't you see the face of Allah's messenger?

I love that. I love. So Umar is reading from the Torah and Muhammad's getting angry and so Abu Bakr now if you don't know your Islamic history Abu Bakr is the second caliph after Muhammad from the Sunni perspective and Then Umar is the second and Uthman is the third then Ali sort of brings everything together for a while.

He's fourth but Ali is the one that the Shia think should have been from the very beginning so the The the Shiites don't like Abu Bakr or Umar or Uthman for that matter but especially Abu Bakr and Umar so.

So Abu Bakr says Abu Bakr says to Umar would that your mother mourn you? Don't you see the face of Allah's messenger? In other words, dude, you're in deep trouble. That's not how they talk back then and Said I seek refuge with the law from the wrath of Allah and the wrath of his messenger.

We are well pleased the law as Lord with Islam as religion with Muhammad as prophet whereupon Allah's messenger peace be upon him said By him in whose hand is life Muhammad. Even if Moses were to appear before you and you were to follow him leaving me aside.

You would certainly stray into error for if Moses were alive now, and he found my prophetical ministry. He would have definitely followed me. That is one version of it. That's one version of it but That's not the one I have in my notes and I'm my my recollection is that see that I see Abdullah has one from Bukhari.

Yeah, see because the Bukhari ones a little bit different. I knew there was one in Bukhari. There's different sources of Hadith folks. You're listening to this as we're live. Discussing this in general.

Umar was given a section of Torah in Arabic brought to the Prophet began to read it to him as he read the Prophet's face. Changed color one of the men of the Ansar. One version of the narration states Abu Bakr said.

That's interesting. Said woe to you Ibn al-Khattab. Can you not see the face the messenger of Allah thereupon? Do not ask the people the book about anything for they will not guide you when they have gone astray.

That's very different than the other one. If you listen to them You'll either disbelieve in what is right or believe in what is false by Allah. If Moses been alive today He would have been obliged to follow me the color face of Allah's messenger underwent a change.

That's got back to written fan. That's Sahih al-Bukhari book 60 prophetic commentary on the Quran number 12 the thanks to everybody who put that up there. I Will have to grab the version I have. Because there was something said about the sufficiency of what has been get was given through Muhammad at that point in time all of that.

To get back to my main point and that is I I just get this distinct feeling that There is a Many Muslims I think because of their view of the Quran as The final revelation and as it being a guard Sir five a guard over the others believe that the others have been so corrupted that they're pretty much worthless to read and I Think most Muslims in the audience would admit that the vast majority of Muslims have actually never read the Bible and have very little familiarity with it at all same thing.

For Christians and the Quran the vast majority of Christians and I read the Quran. Certain not in Arabic, but even in English translation or transliteration depending on How you all want to put it and I I think we're hearing some of that as we listen to as we listen to Muhammad here most evident.

I'd like to try to get to the end. I'm my recollection is That we are fairly close to the end of deal Muhammad's opening statement here. I'd like to get to the end of that and Then you know We'll just see where we are at that point in in the hour as to how far we get into.

Bart Ehrman, Paul, and the Identity of Jesus

The Wallace-Ehrman debate between Paul and Jesus because Paul in all accounts is the true founder of Christianity. The brother mentioned the term Emmanuel. Before I get to Emmanuel.

Paul is the true founder of Christianity. I just think that is just on on. Mr. Muhammad's part. That's just a Bland statement of ignorance on the part of Liberal German redaction critics it flows from a worldview that no Muslim could ever embrace.