February 7, 2022 Show with Dr. Thomas J. Nettles on “Charles Haddon Spurgeon: The Theologian”

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His name is. Dr. Thomas J Nettles retired from full-time teaching after 38 years in the classroom including his most recent post as professor of historical theology at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary from 1997 to 2014 previously having spent 21 years at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary Mid-american Baptist Theological Seminary and Trinity Evangelical Divinity School where he was professor of church history and chair of the Department of Church History an Author and editor of a number of books along with numerous journal journal articles and scholarly papers.

Today Dr. Nettles will be addressing Charles Haddon Spurgeon the theologian and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you to iron sharpens iron radio, dr. Tom Nettles.

Thank you there. Amen. And the last time I saw you if I'm not mistaken is.

When I was online at the men's room at the Foundations conference in New York City and I heard is that Chris Arnzen and that was you walking out of the bed.

Yeah.

Spurgeon’s Calvinism, Evangelism, and the Use of Means

Well, dr. Nettles you and I know that Spurgeon is a greatly beloved hero from history and The real historical Charles Haddon Spurgeon is a great beloved hero Of history by many but he's also or should I say the fictitious version of Charles Haddon Spurgeon is Also a hero of many that are anti-calvinist and have either in ignorance Decalvinized Spurgeon and have taught that he was either Theologically and intentionally not a Calvinist or that he naively violated the tenets of Calvinism and Preached and evangelized To everyone with urgency which they wrongly believe these anti-calvinists wrongly believe That that would make one a non Calvinist to have a passion for the lost etc.

Yes, there may be Calvinists who have no passion for the lost who may even be lost themselves. But there are also Arminians in that category. Whether it do is because of laziness or whatever the circumstances a fear of being Humiliated humiliated in public by identifying themselves as Christians or whatever the case may be there are people on both sides of the theological fence whether a Calvinist or Arminian who Very rarely involve themselves in evangelism, but being a passionate evangelist Does not in any way shape or form? negate one's.

Firm commitment to the doctrines of sovereign grace. Reform theology and also called Calvinism. Am I right to the world? He has shunned the death of Christ only by decree of election. Then Christ would not but because Christ has come that shows the absolute necessity of the use of means to accomplish the event.

Connected with those means are the preaching of the gospel by the minister of the gospel. His efforts to convince people of the truth of the gospel is clear Explanations of what the gospel is and how it is dependent upon the completed work of Christ that is to be received by faith.

And then the means of the Holy Spirit to change the heart and and bring a person to faith. So the use of means he sees preaching the gospel and an urgency about Faith to be Thoroughly consistent with that whole fabric of means that God uses to bring his elect to himself.

So he saw his preaching as something that was a a Vital part of the way God called the elect and his own his own passion for them to be consistent both with the I mean his internal desire for the Salvation of the elect which led then to his true whose writings we the salvation to the lost that God would call he says I endure all things for the sake of the elect that they too may obtain salvation and with it eternal glory.

So Spurgeon saw that whole fabric of motivation is something that Warranted the evangelistic zeal that he had Along with yes, if anybody wants to.

Get a clear picture of how thoroughly Calvinistic Spurgeon was unashamedly unabashedly Calvinistic. I recommend a Booklet that is published by Chapel library. The website is Chapel library org and they have a little booklet called a defense of Calvinism with which if I am not Mistaken is an excerpt a brief excerpt from Spurgeon's autobiography Which I happen to be blessed to own the first edition of four-volume set Autobiography that was a gift to me That four-volume said I'm when I think about it My mind is still blown away by this but it was a gift to me by my late wife Julie's co-pastor before we were married Andy Montoro and I am forever in Andy's debt for that wonderful gift, which was actually Originally owned by an Episcopalian minister who passed away his family Was getting rid of his library as if it was garbage and oh goodness They were they just wanted people to come and haul all the stuff away and I can only wonder what was in that library I wasn't there But that was one of the things that four-volume set that was there and Andy gave that to me as a gift and I'm still blown away.

But one of the things that Spurgeon says in that booklet and I'm I am Remembering this without having it in front of me. So I am I am not giving an exact quote But he he was so Spurgeon was so repulsed By the notion the teaching of a God who would punish people in hell when his son his perfect righteous son Had allegedly already paid for their sins on Calvary.

He said he found that to be monstrous and equated that understanding of God to the gods of the pagans and thugs and he listed some other Colorful false deities in that quote but it's interesting how he had such a revulsion to unlimited atonement and yet still held in high regard many Armenian theologians and Christians.

Now a Spurgeon I think one of the good reasons we are focusing on Spurgeon the theologian is Because some Who perhaps consider themselves? More Ivy League The elite of Academia and scholarship within the professed Christian faith they may look at Spurgeon as more of just a a English country preacher and evangelist and Although he has contributed Much of value to the body of Christ through his written sermons that still exist today they hesitate to highly regard him as a theologian, but this is coming from arrogance and Ignorance of Spurgeon he he although not formally trained was really a brilliant man, wasn't he?

But he was a vocabulary they use there's some paragraphs in his book that he writes in the sword and trowel. Well, he will go and he will be talking about Oh seven or eight different Puritans aspects like a Sanctification he may talk about and someone else is good on this and he just lists all of them and has these characterizations.

So he he knew in detail began in 1865 very short but nevertheless substantial book reviews in the sword and trowel and Most of those Spurgeon himself did he was confoundation that he had gained just as a child.

When he lived with his grandfather, he would he went into the study that was a part of the man there at Stambourne Where his grandfather was passed a full Puritan library there. He's looking at the peace progress and then later when he learned to read he would spend Hours of their reading the Puritans from the time that he was in the single digits of of age.

Education. It's just that it was not in a formal situation but his his mind. The way he was able to retain things in his mind was quite a.

Remarkable. I mean he was a pastor when he was 16, wasn't he? Yeah.

The London then when he was still 19, he began publishing his sermons when he was 21 in 1855 and from then until Actually until was this Metropolitan Tabernacle pulpit. But in the very first sermon of the very first sermon that he published it was all the immutability of of God and In this sermon, he says the entire course of his preaching.

He said it has been said by someone that the proper study of mankind is man. I will not oppose the odds elect is God. It's philosophy which can ever engage the attention of a child of God of the great God whom he calls In him crucified and the knowledge of the Godhead is the glorious Trinity.

Nothing will so enlarge the intellect nothing so magnified the whole soul of man as a devout investigation of the great subject of The deity. That is what characterized up his life. Now I have. I saw recently a.

Documentary on Spurgeon and it looked Very faithful to the historical facts, but there were a couple of things in there that I know were in contradiction to what other Spurgeon historic Spurgeon experts scholars people who are Historians with a focus on Spurgeon have said.

So it made me wonder, you know, how much of the documentary was accurate, but one of the things that the documentary said is that Spurgeon wanted to be formally educated and wanted to receive a seminary degree not big for the sake of getting a degree, but just to take advantage of the learning that would be available and The documentary said that in the 19th century That the Church of England did not permit Non-members of the Church of England to attend seminary.

I was surprised by that and is that accurate?

But he was Large house set up another appointment because he would like to talk to him about his education. He'd already left and he was but as he was walking Playing back to where he was living Scripture verse seekest thou great things with ourself rather than interrupt and get formal education.

That he would just continue in the course that he had and not not attend that Father had encouraged him to get the education and his grandfather. But he decided independently as a result of these impressions that he would just continue with his pastoral ministry and give himself to to study on his own terms.

But it was it was true that at that time the centers could not attend save degrees from the colleges because they were all specifically designed for Anglican.

That's amazing that even in as recent in history as the 19th century that that was the case and. So so tell us what were the main Focuses of Spurgeon in his theology. We already addressed that. He was a thoroughgoing five-point Calvinist but lay out for us What would be the primary?

Spurgeon’s Trinitarian and Christological Theology

Focal points of what he taught and preached he got from and money was not reformed either. What's that?

And it shows his ironic spirit with the non-reformed because Moody was not a Calvinist.

Redemption and regeneration I think everything is arising out of the trip this was on the the doctrine of the Trinity. He does not lack any understanding of what we might call the the early Christological councils and the very technical a Christology and technical Trinitarianism, but he uses that language and that Vocabulary.

He talks about the person of Christ as God and man in who has our nature and his personhood is guaranteed by the eternal personhood of Christ and our nature is The Son of God took to himself our nature and so he speaks much in terms of the Orthodox Councils concerning the person of Christ and then concerning the doctrine of the Trinity.

He did the same he was. There's one section that I read recently where the Mensesio or the the participation of all three persons of the Trinity and everything that is in one sense of a single person.

For example, the death of Christ is something that Christ alone could do because in his humanity He could die but nevertheless there was in the death of Christ the sustaining power of the Holy Spirit and there was the the active of That this was a part of the eternal covenant of Redemption.

In the convicting of sin the father was active and the son was active. But it was a most appropriately the work of the Holy Spirit and anyway, he would he would develop these these are for a proper understanding of Theology years within which Spurgeon operated and where he would expense of believing those ideas.

Why to reject a particular aspect of it was historic theological confessions and was clear in his sermons of these. He would not others might but it's that he was Clear in his own understanding that and that he felt that his audience even those people who lived south of the towns there in London.

So go ahead. Oh, I was just gonna say how much if at all did Spurgeon's theology Develop or his understanding of biblical theology and teaching how much? Did it develop and change from the time? He was a 16 year old pastor To the time of his death.

Do we know anything about any radical or even minor changes?

I mean the doctrines of grace just within a week of his of Of his conversion. He would be talking about the doctrines of grace and his absolute Dependence upon them that he knows he would not be saved that if if he had not been elected.

There was no way in which he could have been saved if he had not been in resist to be called. His heart was so hard that he knows he could not have believed and he didn't change that all the way through.

Praise God. What's that? I said praise God.

Yeah, yeah all the way all of these things related to God and the eternal covenant of redemption and so forth. Today he was back. This is one of the main things that was a point of contention was the rejection of the doctrine of the infallibility of Scripture and he still is is saying many of the same things that he had said earlier.

His expansion of an understanding of the importance is there because now he sees that it is being challenged and he sees what happens in the churches when people Forget the infallibility of Scripture and that they are dependent upon God's revealed truth for their knowledge of God and their knowledge of the gospel.

Now you said that he maintained the doctrines of grace from an early age even very shortly after his conversion was clearly spelling out his. The fact that he owes his salvation to the fact that he was Unconditionally elected and so on did he is there.

Is it known whether or not he ever returned to the primitive Methodist? church where he was saved as a teenager and tried to share with them the doctrines of reformed theology since obviously Primitive Methodists were not at all Calvinist.

Look to me on the intercession. Look to me and be saved. And Spurgeon says. And I looked and was. So, yeah, he did go back but I don't think he ever went back to try to instruct them. He went back to hate good for a little else.

The Downgrade Controversy and the Decline of Evangelical Orthodoxy

Well, we're gonna return and I want you to pick up again on the downgrade controversy since it was such a major A Phenomenon going on in Spurgeon's during Spurgeon's ministry something that led him to Great Depression and And so on and we'll have you pick up on that.

So our listeners have more of an understanding of exactly what that was. But if anybody wants to send in a question to dr. Nettles, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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Always give us your first name at least City and state of residence and country of residence. The downgrade controversy is something That was occurring during Spurgeon's ministry and the cause of great grief to him and the catalyst to deep depression.

In his mind and in his spirit if you could. What our listeners is no more details about this horrible De-evolution of Theology that was prevalent in Spurgeon's day.

Was right.

Then you develop cafeteria Christianity where people just pick and choose what they believe is God breathed and reject everything else.

Exactly about that. It's a revelation from God All these doctrines of the modern consensus of what is right and wrong. And Spurgeon recognized that and he published that article. He began to get criticism.

So then he began to publish articles also in which he affirmed what? General had said that there was a downgrade. Spurgeon did not give any names. He was aware of this because the secretary of the Baptist Union sh booth had shared letters with him and shared snippets of sermons with him that had been Published.

Booth asked him not to go to go public with the names of these people kept his word to booth but booth didn't come to his aid when he began to be accused of All the losing end of this the spy it making any progress in the Baptist Union itself and he resigned his from the Baptist Union.

Churches and pastors had union so he resigned his membership as pastoral tabernacle. Eventually the church followed suit under the leadership of its of its deacons and Resigned from the back now. How prevalent was the downgrade?

Outside of the Baptist Union. In the 19th century when Spurgeon was yeah.

Well, it was president the congregation listed in the Presbyterians. Presbyterians had or even earlier and they had just fallen away. Anyway, there's very little Orthodox in English Presbyterianism throughout the 19th century.

It had fallen off into Swithinianism. Congregationalism, of course, which has the background of people like John Owen. I had maintained their orthodoxy for a while longer. General Baptist this decline began to become is the last part of the 18th of General Baptist which maintained its orthodoxy on the person of Christ on the atonement and so forth.

But of course it was still our minion and then the new connection of General Baptist began to decline also, and by the middle of the 19th century there were overtures for a unity between the General Baptist and the particular Baptist and Spurgeon was hesitant about that.

Not only because of the Calvinistic Impact or the Armenian impact that the General Baptist would have. But because he saw a decline coming into the General Baptist connoisseurs began to be made at the last part of the 18 particular Baptist and all those divisions of nomenclature were Abolished but Spurgeon had resigned from the Baptist Union four years before that in 1887.

So there was decline generally it came to the particular Baptist later. But it was a noticeable preaching of many of the prominent pulpits among the particular Baptist.

How is this? Reflected in America at the time was the Baptist congregations in general and Presbyterians and other Evangelical denominations as badly affected at that time as was England.

Well part of the William Newton Clarke who taught at Colgate thematic theology wanted denied that had questions about substitutionary atonement about total depravity about It it had some pretty wonky views of the doctrine of the Trinity and placed most of the genius of Christianity in the the Experience that one could have of God as father.

And this is the main value of Christ that he had an unbroken perception of God as father. And when we have faith in Christ that we follow Christ this means that we adopt his view of God as our father.

The Christian religion is not a religion about Christ, but it is Christ with what was happening conservative fundamentalist controversy that goes into the 20th century. So this was a general phenomenon throughout evangelicalism, and we have to get to our midway break right now.

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