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Dr. Thomas J Nettles retired from full -time teaching after 38

years in the classroom including his most recent post as professor of historical

theology at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary from 1997 to 2014

previously having spent 21 years at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary

Mid -american Baptist Theological Seminary and Trinity Evangelical Divinity School where he

was professor of church history and chair of the Department of Church History an Author and

editor of a number of books along with numerous journal journal articles and scholarly papers.

Today Dr. Nettles will be addressing Charles Haddon Spurgeon the theologian and it's my

honor and privilege to welcome you to iron sharpens iron radio, dr. Tom Nettles.

Thank you there.

Amen.

And the last time I saw

you if I'm not mistaken is.

When I was online at the men's room at the Foundations conference in New York

City and I heard is that Chris Arnzen and that was you walking out of the bed.

Yeah.

Well, dr. Nettles you and I know that Spurgeon is a

greatly beloved hero from history and The real

historical Charles Haddon Spurgeon is a great beloved hero Of history

by many but he's also or should I say the fictitious version of Charles Haddon Spurgeon

is Also a hero of many that are anti -calvinist and have

either in ignorance Decalvinized Spurgeon and have

taught that he was either Theologically and intentionally

not a Calvinist or that he naively violated the tenets of

Calvinism and Preached and evangelized

To everyone with urgency which they wrongly believe these anti -calvinists wrongly believe

That that would make one a non Calvinist to have a passion for the lost etc.

Yes, there may be Calvinists who have no passion for the lost who may even be lost themselves.

But there are also Arminians in that category.

Whether it do is because of laziness or whatever the circumstances a fear

of being Humiliated humiliated in public by identifying themselves as Christians or

whatever the case may be there are people on both sides of the theological

fence whether a Calvinist or Arminian who Very rarely involve

themselves in evangelism, but being a passionate evangelist Does not in any way shape

or form? negate one's.

Firm

commitment

to

the

doctrines of

sovereign

grace.

Reform

theology and

also called Calvinism.

Am I right to the world?

He

has

shunned

the

death of

Christ

only

by decree

of

election.

Then Christ would not but because Christ has come

that shows the absolute necessity of the use of means to accomplish the

event.

Connected with those means are the preaching of the gospel by the

minister of the gospel.

His efforts to convince people of the truth of the gospel is clear Explanations of what

the gospel is and how it is dependent upon the completed work of Christ that is to be received by faith.

And then the means of the Holy Spirit to change the heart and and bring a person to faith.

So the use of means he sees preaching the gospel and an urgency about Faith

to be Thoroughly consistent with that whole fabric of means that God uses

to bring his elect to himself.

So he saw his preaching as something that was a a Vital part of the way God called the

elect and his own his own passion for them to be consistent both with

the I mean his internal desire for the Salvation of the elect

which led then to

his true

whose writings we

the salvation

to the lost that God would call he says

I endure all things for the sake of the elect that they too may obtain salvation and with it

eternal glory.

So Spurgeon saw that whole fabric of motivation is something that

Warranted the evangelistic zeal that he had Along with yes,

if anybody wants to.

Get a clear picture of how thoroughly Calvinistic Spurgeon was

unashamedly unabashedly Calvinistic.

I recommend a Booklet that is published by Chapel library.

The website is Chapel library org and they have a little booklet called a defense of

Calvinism with which if I am not Mistaken is an excerpt a brief excerpt

from Spurgeon's autobiography Which I happen to be blessed to own

the first edition of four -volume set Autobiography that was a gift to

me That four -volume said I'm when I think about it My mind is still blown away by this

but it was a gift to me by my late wife Julie's co -pastor before we were

married Andy Montoro and I am forever in Andy's debt for

that wonderful gift, which was actually Originally owned by an

Episcopalian minister who passed away his family Was getting rid of his library as

if it was garbage and oh goodness They were they just wanted people to come and haul all the stuff

away and I can only wonder what was in that library I wasn't there But that was one of the things

that four -volume set that was there and Andy gave that to me as a gift and I'm still blown away.

But one of the things that Spurgeon says in that

booklet and I'm I am Remembering this without having it in front of

me.

So I am I am not giving an exact quote But he he was so

Spurgeon was so repulsed By the notion the teaching of

a God who would punish people in hell when his son his

perfect righteous son Had allegedly already paid for their sins on

Calvary.

He said he found that to be monstrous and equated that understanding of God to the gods

of the pagans and thugs and he listed some other Colorful false deities

in that quote but it's interesting how he had such a

revulsion to unlimited atonement and yet still held in

high regard many Armenian theologians and Christians.

Now a Spurgeon I think one of the good reasons we are focusing on

Spurgeon the theologian is Because some Who

perhaps consider themselves? More

Ivy League The elite of

Academia and scholarship within the professed Christian faith

they may look at Spurgeon as more of just a a

English country preacher and evangelist and Although he has contributed

Much of value to the body of Christ through his written sermons that still exist today

they hesitate to highly regard him as a theologian, but this is coming from arrogance and

Ignorance of Spurgeon he he although not formally trained was really a brilliant man,

wasn't he?

But he was a

vocabulary they

use there's some paragraphs

in his book

that he writes in the

sword and trowel.

Well, he will go and he will be talking about Oh seven or eight different Puritans

aspects like a Sanctification he may

talk about and someone else is good on this and he just

lists all of them and has these characterizations.

So he he knew in detail

began in 1865 very

short but nevertheless substantial book reviews in the sword and trowel and Most

of those Spurgeon himself did he was

confoundation that he had gained just as a

child.

When he lived with his grandfather, he would he went into the study that was a part of the

man there at Stambourne Where his grandfather was passed a

full Puritan library there.

He's looking at the peace progress and then

later when he learned to read he would spend Hours of their reading the Puritans from the time that he was in the

single digits of of age.

Education.

It's just that it was not in a formal situation but his his mind.

The way he was able to retain things in his mind was quite a.

Remarkable.

I mean he was a pastor when he was 16, wasn't he?

Yeah.

The London then when he was still 19,

he began publishing his sermons when he was 21 in 1855 and from

then until Actually until

was

this Metropolitan Tabernacle pulpit.

But in the very first sermon of the very first sermon that he published it was all the immutability of

of God and In this sermon, he says the entire course of his preaching.

He said it has been said by someone that the proper study of mankind is man.

I will not oppose the odds elect is God.

It's

philosophy which

can ever engage the attention of a child of God of the

great God whom he calls In

him

crucified

and

the knowledge of the Godhead is the glorious Trinity.

Nothing will so enlarge the intellect nothing so magnified the whole soul of man as a devout

investigation of the great subject of The deity.

That is what

characterized up his life.

Now I have.

I saw recently a.

Documentary on Spurgeon and it looked Very faithful to the historical

facts, but there were a couple of things in there that I know were

in contradiction to what other Spurgeon historic Spurgeon

experts scholars people who are Historians with a focus on Spurgeon have said.

So it made me wonder, you know, how much of the documentary was accurate, but one of the things that the

documentary said is that Spurgeon wanted to be formally educated and wanted to

receive a seminary degree not big for the sake of getting a degree, but just

to take advantage of the learning that would be available and

The documentary said that in the 19th century That the Church of England did not

permit Non -members of the Church of England to attend seminary.

I was surprised by that and is that accurate?

But he was

Large house set up

another appointment

because he would like

to talk to him about his education.

He'd already left and he was but

as he was walking Playing back to where he was

living Scripture

verse seekest thou great things with

ourself rather than interrupt

and get formal education.

That he would just continue in the course that he had and not not attend that

Father had encouraged him to get the education and his grandfather.

But he decided independently as a result of these impressions that he would just continue with his pastoral ministry

and give himself to to study on his own terms.

But it was it was true that at that time the centers could not attend

save degrees from the colleges because they were all specifically designed for Anglican.

That's amazing that even in as recent in history as the 19th century that that was the case

and.

So so tell us what were the main Focuses

of Spurgeon in his theology.

We already addressed that.

He was a thoroughgoing five -point Calvinist but lay out for us

What would be the primary?

Focal points of

what he

taught and

preached he got from and money

was not reformed either.

What's that?

And it shows his ironic spirit with the non -reformed because Moody was not a Calvinist.

Redemption and regeneration I

think

everything

is arising

out of

the

trip

this

was on

the

the

doctrine of

the

Trinity.

He does not lack any

understanding of what we might call the the early Christological councils and the very

technical a Christology and technical Trinitarianism, but he uses that language

and that Vocabulary.

He talks about the person of Christ as God and man in who

has our nature and his personhood is guaranteed by the eternal personhood of

Christ and our nature is The Son of God took to

himself our nature and so he speaks much in terms of the Orthodox

Councils concerning the person of Christ and then concerning the doctrine of the Trinity.

He did the same he was.

There's one section that I read recently where the Mensesio or

the the participation of all three persons of the Trinity and everything that is in one

sense of a single person.

For example, the death of Christ is something that Christ alone could do because in his

humanity He could die but nevertheless there was in the death of Christ the sustaining

power of the Holy Spirit and there was the the active of

That this was a part of the eternal covenant of Redemption.

In the convicting of sin the father was active and the son was active.

But it was a most appropriately the work of the Holy Spirit and anyway, he

would he would develop these

these are

for a proper understanding of Theology years

within which Spurgeon operated and where he would expense

of believing those ideas.

Why to reject a particular aspect of it was

historic theological confessions and was clear in his

sermons of these.

He would not

others might but it's that he was Clear in his own understanding that

and that he felt that his audience even those people who lived south of the towns there in

London.

So go ahead.

Oh, I was just gonna say how much if at all did

Spurgeon's theology Develop or his understanding of biblical theology and teaching

how much?

Did it develop and change from the time?

He was a 16 year old pastor To the time of his death.

Do we know anything about any radical or even minor changes?

I mean the

doctrines

of grace

just within a

week

of his of Of

his conversion.

He would be talking about the doctrines of grace and his absolute Dependence upon

them that he knows he would not be saved that if if he had not been elected.

There was no way in which he could have been saved if he had not been in resist to be called.

His heart was so hard that he knows he could not have believed and he didn't change that all the way through.

Praise God.

What's that?

I said praise God.

Yeah, yeah all the

way all of these

things related to God

and the eternal covenant of redemption and so forth.

Today he was back.

This is one of the main things that was a point of contention was the rejection of the doctrine of the infallibility

of Scripture and he still is is saying many of the same things that he had said earlier.

His expansion of an understanding of the importance is there because now he sees that it is

being challenged and he sees what happens in the churches when people Forget the

infallibility of Scripture and that they are dependent upon God's revealed truth for their

knowledge of God and their knowledge of the gospel.

Now you said that he maintained the doctrines of grace from an early age even

very shortly after his conversion was clearly spelling

out his.

The fact that he owes his salvation to the fact that he was Unconditionally elected and so on did he

is there.

Is it known whether or not he ever returned to the primitive Methodist? church where he was

saved as a teenager and tried to share with them the doctrines of reformed

theology since obviously Primitive Methodists were not at all Calvinist.

Look to

me on

the

intercession.

Look to me and be saved.

And Spurgeon says.

And I looked and

was.

So, yeah, he did go back but I don't think he ever went back to try to instruct them.

He

went back

to hate

good

for a

little else.

Well, we're gonna return and I want you to pick up again on the downgrade controversy since it was such a major

A Phenomenon going on in Spurgeon's during Spurgeon's ministry

something that led him to Great Depression and And so on and we'll have you pick up on that.

So our listeners have more of an understanding of exactly what that was.

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The downgrade controversy is something That was occurring during Spurgeon's

ministry and the cause of great grief to him and the catalyst to deep

depression.

In his mind and in his spirit if you could.

What our listeners is no more details about this horrible De -evolution

of Theology that was prevalent in Spurgeon's day.

Was

right.

Then you develop cafeteria Christianity where people just pick and choose what they believe is God breathed and reject everything else.

Exactly

about

that.

It's a

revelation from God All these doctrines of

the modern consensus of what is right and

wrong.

And Spurgeon recognized that and he published that article.

He began to get criticism.

So then he began to publish articles also in which he affirmed what?

General had said that there was a downgrade.

Spurgeon did not give any names.

He was aware of this because the secretary of the Baptist Union sh booth had shared letters with him and shared

snippets of sermons with him that had been Published.

Booth asked him not to go to go public with the names of these people kept his

word to booth but booth didn't come to his aid when he began to be accused of

All the losing

end of this the spy

it making any progress in the Baptist Union

itself and he resigned his from the Baptist Union.

Churches and pastors had union so he resigned his membership as

pastoral tabernacle.

Eventually the church followed suit under the leadership of its of its deacons and

Resigned from the back now.

How prevalent was the downgrade?

Outside of the Baptist Union.

In the 19th century when Spurgeon was yeah.

Well, it was president the congregation listed in the Presbyterians.

Presbyterians had or even earlier and they had just fallen away.

Anyway, there's very little Orthodox in English Presbyterianism throughout the 19th century.

It had fallen off into Swithinianism.

Congregationalism, of course, which has the background of people like John Owen.

I had maintained their orthodoxy for a while longer.

General

Baptist

this

decline

began to

become is the last

part of

the

18th of General

Baptist

which maintained its orthodoxy on the person of Christ on the atonement and so forth.

But of course it was still our minion and then the new connection of General Baptist began to

decline also, and by the middle of the 19th century there were overtures for a unity

between the General Baptist and the particular Baptist and Spurgeon was hesitant about that.

Not only because of the Calvinistic Impact or the Armenian impact that the General Baptist would

have.

But because he saw a decline coming into the General Baptist

connoisseurs began to be made at the last

part of the 18 particular

Baptist and

all those divisions of nomenclature were Abolished but Spurgeon had

resigned from the Baptist Union four years before that in 1887.

So there was decline generally it came to the particular Baptist later.

But it was a noticeable preaching of many of the prominent pulpits among the

particular Baptist.

How is this?

Reflected in America at the time was

the Baptist congregations in general and Presbyterians and other

Evangelical denominations as badly affected at that time as was England.

Well part of the

William

Newton Clarke

who taught

at Colgate thematic theology

wanted denied

that

had questions about substitutionary atonement about total depravity about

It it had some pretty wonky views of the doctrine of the Trinity and placed most

of the genius of Christianity in the the Experience that one could have of God as

father.

And this is the main value of Christ that he had an unbroken perception of God as father.

And when we have faith in Christ that we follow Christ this means that we adopt his view of God as our

father.

The Christian religion is not a religion about Christ,

but it is Christ

with what was happening

conservative

fundamentalist controversy that goes into the 20th century.

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Dr. Nettles, I don't know if you have Completed what you wanted to say about the downgrade

controversy, but you could add anything that you'd like, but I also wanted to ask About

those within the professed body of Christ That were cause of much grief

dispersion on the other end of the spectrum.

Hyper -Calvinists Were known for their attacks upon him.

I believe if I'm not mistaken It was largely from the denomination that still exists.

Although I think it's been greatly reduced in membership numbers, but the

strict Baptists as they were called were and I

believe are hyper -Calvinist and.

There's some strict Baptists that are hyper -Calvinist, but the strict Baptists are not.

Good

Okay.

Also the one that developed the great hymnal.

One of his Hymns was oh what matchless condescension the eternal

God displayed claiming in ways his own glory He

reveals in gospel days.

And then he's got a line in there that has Trust

him and rejoice in his dear name.

No, what.

Worms.

Worms approach him.

Worms approach him and rejoice in his dear name.

I led a sort of a prayer Chapel up in Trinity when I was

there and I had the congregation seeing that Gadsby him.

What matches condescension.

And there is a very Outspoken but godly evangelical

Armenian on the faculty there.

They are named David Larson who has written two or three books on preaching very very fine preacher.

And so after the service David was coming down the aisle singing approach

Rejoice and so he said we need to sing that more brother.

He said that's.

What we've got to do is as worms approach the throne of grace and I would smile.

I said, you know, this is a unique moment.

I said here we I have an Armenian coming down the aisle singing the hymn of a

Thought.

You know, it just shows that when there is that.

Yeah, like oh.

It just flew out of my head.

It wasn't John stopped it was the other Late British

Anglican J. Packer, right.

And in spite of any serious differences I had with him on ecumenism.

He he was right on the money so many times and one of them was one.

He said that Even Arminians are Calvinists on their knees.

He was referring to prayer of.

Charles Wesley.

Long my presence.

And in nature's night wakening ray I woke the dungeon flame with

light free.

Our Rose went forth and followed thee.

Now if you could distinguish between historic biblically faithful Calvinism and

Hyper -Calvinism, I know that some of my audience may be rolling their eyes because I say this so often.

But it needs to be pointed out because so many people slander biblically faithful historic

Calvinists as being Hyper -Calvinist just because we believe in the five points of Calvinism and that is not the historic

definition of hyper -Calvinism.

So if you could explain what that is and how Spurgeon dealt with it and what kind of an impact did

it have this this Antagonism against him by hyper -Calvinist.

What kind of an impact if any did it have in his ministry?

Of

one

of

Stephen

Charnock's

away.

But

he

was

talking

about

the

internal

life from.

For that is

something

that

is over

and above the

original Regulations, it

was not a command to be rightly related

moral command for Any person.

Now we are justly condemned for our disobedience to the law because the law was originally written on the heart.

But we are not condemned for not believing because not.

Because belief is something that is a work purely of grace.

Which was not even conceived of as possible by Adam in the unfallen state.

Therefore since it was not an obligation to Adam to relate himself to

the Redeemer by faith it is not an obligation to any of the sons of Adam and.

So the idea of grace and grace in a substitute of the idea of faith in a substitute

Was something that is purely a matter of something that was hidden in the counsels of God from

eternity.

That cannot be a cannot pose any moral obligation upon

sinners.

So if we preach that there that lack of faith.

Wow now did these hyper

-Calvins because I know there are different kinds.

You have Hyper -Calvinists from the Netherlands reformed denomination for instance to

have a very tiny gate to heaven Smaller than

that which would be biblical.

And then you have the primitive Baptists who have an enormous gate to heaven because they still

remove faith from the regeneration experience that they believe that the elect.

Include people who will never come to faith in Christ on this earth.

That is a great number of them do.

I don't want a broad brush.

There are primitive Baptists who are Biblically solid who have even had friends of mine preach at their

conferences and so on.

But but.

Does this group that you're referring to including the the hyper -Calvinist wing of the strict Baptist?

Did they believe that those without faith would be damned?

With as far as I understand them, they did believe that it was just.

That's

the reason I

mentioned

earlier that

one of

the things that

yeah.

Very beginning and the primitive Baptists called the means doctrine a heresy.

They they would say that you are by nature of believing in that in Arminian and

which is which is really ironic because many if not, most of the primitive Baptists are

Hypo -Calvinist.

They're they're they're they're non -Calvinist when it comes to the providence of

God in In events that happen in history like earthquakes and

volcanoes and people dying of cancer because they smoked.

Habitually, they would say that many of them would say God had nothing to do with those things that killed.

Thousands of not millions.

Oh Calvinist.

I hadn't heard that.

That's good.

Yeah, but that.

Yeah, you you are at odds with Ian Murray on that.

I know so they're

right the way of.

Particularly the leader of the hyper -Calvinist in London was a man named James Wells.

And Spurgeon tried to reach out to him to be friendly with him.

And when Wells got

sick one

time and was but of belief

they said was not necessary.

It is not a sin not to have faith.

And so Spurgeon has got this sermon called unbelief of sin and He goes into all

that just goes throughout the Bible.

Including Adam.

Sin is a lack of

the whole

Bible is

a charade.

Because it is all built upon the the fact that unbelief

and Jesus himself said he would convict the world of sin righteousness.

It's all they believe not a

theology of belief.

Not to believe

Hyper -Calvinist is something that was based upon an understanding he had of

What he considered to be an unbiblical theology at the foundation of hyper -Calvinism.

But it was not due to any lack of commitment to the five points of Calvinism that

he reiterated over and over and over.

We we do have a question that's related to this.

We have Christian in Western Suffolk County, New York.

Who asked the question.

He wrote this question before?

You began to defend John Gill.

But his question still is appropriate.

He asks.

In your opinion was the predecessor of Charles Haddon Spurgeon John Gill a hyper

-Calvinist.

It is my understanding, but I may be wrong that Spurgeon himself viewed John Gill as a hyper -Calvinist and

I was wondering if you would recommend Gill's commentaries and if you

defend Gill if you would recommend Ian Murray's book Spurgeon versus hyper -Calvinism.

Yeah,

I

love

the

book

or

sinners.

The

necessity

own grace by

our

will is

something that Gill

rejected.

But in

his

comment

the delight they

have

for example

with

only

to

those that he knew were elect and that this is not a general invitation

that is given to all.

And Gill makes the point that there were many there who did not believe in Jesus who were not elect.

But that he is simply that he is stating this he would not.

I'll be telling something to people that would increase their.

There there's but he

says a genuine offer of

salvation if they would come to him.

So there are several of Gill that

the normal hyper -Calvinist interpretation of them.

So I'm open to be convinced about Gill the position.

I don't think that he was a hyper -Calvinist.

I do believe his systematic theology is very Helpful in most ways.

And apologies did not deal with.

Actually his knowledge of the Hebrew

literature is so profound that he gives insight that other commentators do not guilt.

And so I would say, you know, you can be careful about Gill at certain points.

But Spurgeon read Gill and Spurgeon was not

embarrassed to be the successor of Gill.

He did call him a high Calvinist.

What did he mean by that?

Highgh.

Okay.

Now

that

doesn't really mean that you deny particular redemption does it.

I mean because.

Isn't Christ's death powerful enough? to save a billion

sinners on a trillion planets.

Well

All do punishment

idea

that said

it

will

be more

tolerable for Beth for Sodom and Gomorrah than for Bethsaida and Chorazin.

Punishment for different sin and is

that a propitiatory death.

Then he must have died for all the sins of all of those who will be.

Yeah, I have loved much of what I have heard from

Gill's pen and Gave it a hearty.

Amen when I've heard it And have been wanting to purchase his commentaries.

And I know that there are people even those that view him as a hyper Calvinist many of

them still view him as the most brilliant Baptist theologian that ever lived and Promote

his commentaries his systematic theology even with what they would view as a flaw.

Do you have a particular? Set of his commentaries that you recommend.

I don't know like for instance. I know the strict Baptist have a Have published his commentaries, I don't know if

they add any commentary of their own in those volumes.

So that's what you

would recommend then.

Yeah, yeah, all

right, we have to go to our final break.

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Asks.

I've heard oh he obviously tuned in late.

But even though we've kind of addressed this perhaps you could add something to it to your answer.

I've heard some well -known reformed pastors criticized Charles Spurgeon's theology on the grounds that he did not receive a

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Do you think his preaching and writing was deficient because he did not attend seminary.

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Dr. Nettles going back to our listener Andrew in Avon Lake, Ohio.

Do you know of anything that was deficient in Spurgeon's theology because he did not attend seminary

area and

you

were a professor.

Yeah.

Started a minister's Academy didn't he?

It wasn't that he was against theological Educating that did not suit

him and wanted to make sure that it was an education on the

purpose.

If you go

through his sermons It is amazing how you could line up the

pivotal doctrines of systematic theology and confessional theology.

All the way from the Creed of Nicaea up to the the second London confession.

And how all those doctrines appear and sometimes appear in the very words in which they are.

So I don't detect any kind

of in

what he.

We have BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania who asks I Read

the booklet that Chris mentioned earlier called the defense of Calvinism by Charles Spurgeon

and in that booklet He adamantly opposes and rejects the notion that any

infant dying in infancy would be in hell.

That seems to be at odds with what most reformed Baptist churches believe today.

Most would say that they are agnostic on the issue.

They don't really know because they don't think the Bible gives us sufficient information.

What is your view on that and Is Spurgeon at odds with the greater part of

reformed history on that?

He seems to be Unaware that any great number of true Calvinist believe that.

Reject their depravity.

He doesn't reject the fact that they are Children of Adam and that they're corrupt in nature and that

should God so will he could very well

have down

saved.

Now that could.

You would be

a little bit clearer.

Did he not

believe that

an.

Infant would not die in infancy unless it was of the elect.

Probably so.

And that would be that see right were saved.

I happen to agree with him upon that by the way.

What's

that.

I happen to

agree with him on that

by the way,

yeah, of course.

Oh, yeah, I agree that I agree with that wholeheartedly.

I'm not like the Pelagian ists who believe that infants were innocent or are innocent.

I don't believe that at all.

But I just but it seems to me every reference to someone being cast into hell and the

scriptures always Describes willful volition of.

Of.

Rejecting Christ's law and so on.

Yeah,

well, I

think that's a

strong

now.

Well, how can our listeners get a hold of you if they want to ask you further questions?

Should they email me and I'll refer them to you or you have a website.

Tell us how our listeners can get in touch with you.

Thank you so much.

Dr. Nettles.

In fact, if you could just wait.

About 30 seconds so I can give you a proper goodbye off the air.

I want to thank you so much for being such a phenomenal guest as you always are.

I want to thank everybody who listened.

I want to thank especially those who took the time to write.

I apologize to those who could not have their questions asked and answer on the air due to time restraints.

But I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior

Than you are a sinner.