Pride Month is Here Again plus Review of "It's Not Like Being Black" by Voddie Baucham

Church Finder App, Truthscript Updates, and Upcoming Conferences

Welcome to Truthscript Tuesday. I'm your host, Jon Harris. It has been a while since I have livestreamed Truthscript Tuesday on my YouTube channel as well that I usually use for the Conversations That Matter podcast but I wanted to make an announcement to everyone that follows me on social media as well as to the normal Truthscript audience.

And it concerns the Church Finder app or program that we are still in the process of developing. We're in the process right now though of adding churches. We need some churches to populate this particular function, this program with before we can launch it and make it available widely.

And so I wanna just make this my first announcement. Some of you know that when, and this was maybe three, four years ago when I was doing Conversations That Matter, there was a web search engine that a friend of mine created and we advertised it on the podcast called discerningchristians .com and it's not there anymore.

That's a long story, but we have now another search, church search feature that is affiliated with Truthscript which will do something very similar. It's going to be a helpful tool in finding a good local church that's not woke, that doesn't have a Darwinian influence either.

Those are two things expressly, they're very clear. Let's just say in our statement of faith that we are against Darwinism and woke or social justice ideology. And it's gonna narrow things down for you a little bit.

And this is still the number one thing that people emailing me about concerning finding churches. I just want a church that's not social justice. And it's not like other things don't matter, they do, but we really are concerned about that because so often it's subversive.

It's hidden, it's maybe a church went super woke in 2020 and it's maybe they're not talking about it as much now but they've never really repented. So anyway, this is supposed to be a helpful tool for that.

So this is what you can do for Truthscript. If you email infoattruthscript .com, the information about your church, if your church fits, first go to Truthscript. I should just show you, I suppose, what I'm talking about here.

If you go to the website, scroll down to the bottom and you will find About Us. Click on that and you'll find the statement of faith. It's only 11 points. It's pretty basic, but Orthodox statement of faith and look at the language in there.

If your church is a church that would fit this description, they would subscribe to these things and there'll be in general agreement, I would say with Truthscript, then just email infoattruthscript .com so that we have that and put the church name, put an email contact for the church and then the address of the church, those three things.

And that's what we need initially to populate the map. And once we get enough churches to have just a basic population, we'll open it up for everyone and we can start really making this thing happen. So I just wanted to let you know that off the top, this is gonna be a helpful tool.

And it's funny, even in the last week, I've had a number of people email me about finding a local church. This is still a big problem out there. And so this will be a one more tool to help you. While I'm saying that, I should probably just also mention Truthscript is a 501c3 organization.

If you wanna donate to Truthscript and our mission, then you can go to the bottom, click the donate tab. If you wanna submit articles, go to the publish tab and submit articles. And many people have been submitting great articles lately, we're just gonna talk about two of them tonight, but we have a bunch in the queue and just so grateful for all the people that are contributing and writing.

I will give you a little sneak peek of some upcoming things. We are talking about conferences right now and potentially a big conference for 2026. I can't really give any more details than that, but we've been looking at venues and we've been looking at speakers.

And so that's all I'll say. For 2025 though, we're talking about doing some smaller conferences, but maybe a little bigger than what we've done this year, which will include themes that will be interesting and unique.

We're considering the possibility. I don't wanna hold anyone to this because this is something we have to have a greater, a longer meeting about. But I know I've talked to my brother who's the president of Truthscript about maybe a theme of church history and what church, talking about like American church history specifically or Reformation church history, but anyway, we're having conversations about those things and there's just a lot of good things happening.

So looking forward to making some more announcements soon in addition to the church search feature. With that, let's just talk a little bit about Pride Month. I actually have some questions coming in and I don't normally take questions on the Truthscript Tuesday podcast, but since this is also on the streaming to the feed that I normally stream conversations that matter to, I'll take some.

Do we have to be in our local church leadership or can church members submit their churches to add to the list? This is a great question. For the initial launch for now, you don't have to be in church leadership.

We were just looking for churches that don't compromise on this stuff. So it's not in an extremely high bar, but we also can take churches off. That's what we did with the Discerning Christians website, by the way, and I mean, we not Truthscript, but myself and my friend who designed that.

We had an initial population of like, I don't know, 80 churches or something. And then there was a feature where you could add churches. And so people were adding churches. And then I think twice it came up that someone had added a church and this church actually wasn't good.

In fact, one case, a friend of mine visited the church and they said, I'm pretty sure this church is kind of social justice, social justice-y. So I looked into it and sure enough it wasn't, we removed the church.

So that's the risk you run when you do this kind of thing. It's impossible. We don't have the funds to hire someone to do in-depth research on all these churches to vet them. So we're relying on you in the audience, but generally audiences are pretty reliable because you're already listening to Truthscript Tuesday.

So there you go. Hopefully that answers the question. So if you aren't even a member, you just know of a church that maybe you used to be part of it or you have visited it and you're familiar enough, you have friends there, you know that they fit the statement of faith, just let us know and we'll be happy to add it to our initial list to populate that map.

So that's the answer to that question. Well, with that said, I want to focus a little bit on Pride Month today because of course it is June 4th. We're still early on, but if you're living in an area like I live, you're already seeing a lot of advertisements for pride marches and the rainbow flags.

And I don't even know what the flags are now. I mean, it's like trans flags with like circles in them or intersects and other things and BIPOC flags and all this stuff is coming out though. And I'm in a part of the country where it's funny, even the conservative towns, the traditional towns in New York, if you drive through them, I just did this the other day actually, there's no rainbow flags in the town except for the church.

And it's the saddest thing to me. And I don't know what to make of that exactly. It seems like the more old and traditional the church looks in the Northeast, the more likely it is to have pride celebrations and transgender or drag queen story hours and that kind of thing.

And I think this is the work of Satan, of course. I think that this is on purpose. I think this is totally for the purpose of deception to show that the place you should get truth, the place where the highest steeple, the highest point in a town where you should be able to go and find the truth, you'll actually find lies.

I mean, this is a brilliant thing, honestly. I mean, if Satan can get the churches first, right? But the evangelical churches generally don't have those old buildings. So if there is an evangelical church that doesn't go along with that, they're in a strip mall or something.

So it's kind of a sad state of affairs in the Northeast. But I know other regions of the country aren't like that. When I lived in Virginia a few years ago, really nothing happened in June. Walmart, I think had a few little displays.

Well, actually one display with a few little things that no one bought. And no one was decorating their house with pride stuff. But here in the Northeast, and of course, if you're in the Pacific Northwest and other in an urban area, even in the South, I'm sure, you're gonna see a lot more of this stuff.

And as the years go by and this becomes more embedded, you're gonna see more and more of it. This isn't going away. This isn't going away. And the reason it's not going away is because fundamentally this is a religious ceremony.

It's a religious holiday. It's a religious month of celebration.

And it's a whole month.

And you can sense this with some of the religious language. In fact, I was talking to David, who's the president of TrueScript, and he was telling me the other day, have you noticed that these announcements dedicating, whether it's officials or entertainment, celebrities, whatever, when they dedicate themselves to celebrating Pride Month in a ceremony or something, or even if it's just an announcement on television, they seem to always say, and we don't just celebrate Pride Month during the month of June.

This is a celebration for all year. And it sounds so much like what you would say on Resurrection Sunday or Easter Sunday. It sounds like what you would say during Christmas time. Hey, we don't just celebrate the coming of Christ today.

We celebrate it all year, but this is a special day. And you're hearing the same language now all of a sudden come out about Pride Month, that this is something to celebrate at all times. And you must celebrate it.

If you don't celebrate it, then there's something wrong with you. You're hateful, you're bigoted, of course. And we know all this, right? This isn't new to us, but it might be new to some of you, I suppose, if you live in a Bible Belt area, and for the first time ever, your job's decided that they're gonna get on board with this or your town has a fight on their hands because there's people on the town board who wanna do, approve a Pride parade or something like that.

So that's what's, I think, that's the sense people feel. It's very dystopian if you're a traditional Christian and you're living through this, you're thinking this isn't the flavor of the month. And maybe you thought it was initially, but you're realizing this is embedded.

This isn't going away. This has a lasting impact. And the whole point of it is to really take over the calendar with not just Pride Month, but all kinds of other things that will dilute the influence of traditional and mostly Christian themed holidays in the United States.

And really set the focus on in other areas too. I think overall to really paint this picture of American history, that we are a people dedicated to or created by a story of emancipation. That there was a dark time in the world's history that we're coming out of.

We're still coming out of, we have long ways to go, but there were all these different labor relationships and social arrangements that were intrinsically evil. Family arrangements, all these things were bad.

And so in different steps, we have kind of like a ladder. We have ever more gotten closer and closer to this goal of egalitarian equality. And you can see it, right? You can see it with the emancipation of slaves.

You can see it with giving women the right to vote. These are of course the things that both sides of the aisle seem to get around, come around celebrating. And now we're seeing gay marriages becoming that with both sides of the aisle.

But it's also child labor laws. It's also the existence of public schools for all. It's the elimination of arranged marriages. It's maybe the first thing, of course, the rejection of any kind of divine right of a king and the establishment of some form of quote unquote, democracy and the list goes on.

And all of these things really culminate though in this greater equal society that we're reaching for. And so that's the story we tell of ourselves. It's not the story, I think even when I was a kid, there was still the story of heroism, of accomplishing great things for your people.

Proud of Neil Armstrong, proud of George Washington, proud of American heroes who just really accomplished great things. Henry Ford and people who invented things and built things and won wars. And there was this sort of heroism motif and young men could look up to heroes from America's past because that was our story.

We were people who accomplished much. We built skyscrapers and in everything we did, even if we were, because every country does bad things and wrong things, but even despite wrong things that we did, there was something good to say about the United States of America, because in general, we had a moral code we live by, whether it was the code of the Western civilization that had come before us, the knight, the cavalier, or in the uniquely American sense, the cowboy.

The cowboy kind of encapsulated all of this as this quintessential American figure that was some independent and not in a bad way, but actually I think in a good way, this is often knocked by pastors, by the way, like this American individualism.

And I gotta be careful here because there is an American individualism that's bad or an individualism that's bad, but this individualism, the self-sufficiency, this is a bad thing. Actually, I think if we're defining it right, it was a good thing.

It was this idea that people in the United States were built to subdue and conquer, but not just to do that in this really masculine way, but also to protect the weak, to preserve things. I mean, Theodore Roosevelt being kind of this character.

We're going to preserve nature. We're gonna use power for the right things. We have a moral code we operate by, which sets the limits on what we can do, but there is this meekness. There's this power under control, and we're gonna stick up for the underdog.

And this has, I think, been somewhat exploited, this sticking up for the underdog, using power to do that, to now sticking up for all these victim groups, but they're weaponized against the center, against the core of American identity, the heritage Americans who built the country, the people who trace back to the founding, they're the bad guys now.

So anyway, all that to say, I realize this is True Script Tuesday, not Conversations That Matter podcast, and I need to talk about these articles, but all that to say, this is just one more link in a chain that's been woven for years, that's been attempting to take that heroism story that we tell about ourselves, and we say, this is why we're significant, because we have people of internal character and virtue who took these brave, heroic stands to make this country what it is, and we overcame obstacles to do it, to now, it's a story of various victim groups who are not the majority, who were able to gain some form of equality or egalitarian independence, despite what the majority did to them or wanted to do to them.

So it's actually an attacking kind of the core of American identity. It's the people who were heroes are no longer heroes. They're actually the villains now under this new paradigm, and that's really, I think, what Pride Month is about.

It's a religious holiday to commemorate this new story we tell about ourselves, and it's a religious story, and I think the story we told about ourselves before had religious elements too. I mean, you can't really escape that, but it was more Christian.

It was, there was a more,.

Because the internal virtues were very much Christian virtues that coincided with and were the inspiration for the American virtues, and you saw this in like, even things like Roy Rogers' cowboy code and stuff like that.

So those internal virtues don't seem to matter anymore. Really, the only thing that matters is whether social arrangements are equal or not, whatever that means. So that's my commentary. Matt says, no more nights.

Yeah, no more nights, unfortunately. Do you agree that, Michael says, the church should teach LGBT history, Jude 1, 7. So yeah, should we teach the truth about what the Bible teaches about homosexuality and especially the Sodom and Gomorrah and just the negative things that God did to judge sinners, homosexuality being one sin?

Yeah, obviously. You teach the whole counsel of God, and that includes that. So if you have comments, I guess, why not? Yeah, leave a comment, leave a question, and I'll be happy to get to that. We have a lot of people streaming right now.

So we're 17 minutes in, and I really need to get to the topic at hand, or at least the articles at hand. But I wanted to start off with that by just acknowledging this is where we're at. This is why you feel the way you do, even if you can't put words to it, you feel like your country's being taken away from you when you look at this.

It's not just the celebration of homosexuality. You're looking at something much larger, and this is one link in that chain. This is one front in which the story that you tell about yourself and you tell your children about America is now being subsumed by this new story that's being told.

And of course, it's in everything. It's in Sesame Street. It's in this, I didn't know who this person was. I'm having a kid soon though. So I understand this is a person that kids listen to, and a lot of Christian parents allow their kids to listen to, named Miss Rachel.

And she celebrated Pride Month. She interviewed Dylan Mulvaney, who is the quote-unquote transgender person, person, male who thinks they're transgender, thinks they're a woman, who was on the Bud Light cans, if you remember that controversy.

And she has millions of followers on YouTube. And I was struck by this, by the way. So she made a statement about why she's supporting Pride Month, LGBT, et cetera. And this is what she had to say.

There are prayers on here before and said, God bless. And that's because my faith is really important to me. And it's also one reason why I love every neighbor. In Matthew 22, a religious teacher asked Jesus, what's the most important commandment?

And Jesus says to love God and to love your neighbor as yourself. All the law and the prophets hang on these two commandments. There's no greater commandments than these. I believe it's mentioned eight times, love your neighbor.

So yes, everyone belongs, everyone's welcome. Everyone is treated with empathy and respect. It doesn't say love every neighbor, except. There are so many reasons I stand strong in love. I stand with everyone.

That's who I am. And the love back, and the God bless if you disagree, is genuine.

Okay.

The Love Commandment Misused to Justify Pride

So the reason I wanted to play that for you before getting to the article about Votie Bauckham's book is because this is the logic you are going to encounter in the church to justify everything I just talked about.

And this is the same thing. The same argument has been used on other social issues in the past. When the Bible speak, I'll give you one right now that's being debated in the Southern Baptist Convention.

Shall we? Women in pastoral leadership roles. The argument that's used to justify that is that there's an overriding narrative in scripture to love. And that overriding spirit of the Bible is enough to overcome the clear passages where Paul says things like, I do not permit a woman to speak.

So you have this principle that is used as a sledgehammer for what the Bible clearly teaches. Against what the Bible clearly teaches. And it's the same move. And I've seen it over and over again with other social matters.

And it's just, this is the new iteration of it. And I hate to say this, but normally it works. If the past 200 years or 100 years or any example,.

This works.

People generally go for this. It's a way to justify and really get the target off your back. Isn't that feel good to not have a target on your back all the time? You can be a Christian. You can say, God bless.

You can have your Christian things. You can listen to Christian music and go to church and you don't have to take the hate and the heat from the world. So this is a way to get around that. And it sounds super convincing until you really think about it.

But it's obviously the problem is that the commandments of God, the summation of all of them is to love God and love your neighbor. So the commandments themselves are actually ways to love. They're the outpouring, the specific outpouring of what love looks like.

This is how you treat your neighbor. You don't sleep with your neighbor's wife. You don't sodomize your neighbor. I know that sounds graphic, but that's what they're doing. That's what is being supported here.

You don't do that. That's actually a hurtful thing. God speaks out against that in no uncertain terms. It's an abomination. And God defines what love is. And that's one of the ways we know is from his commandments.

This is imposing a foreign definition of what love is and acceptance and tolerance as if they're synonymous with love onto the scripture. And I know that there are people in this audience who are right now battling this with their pastors, with just maybe people in their church who want to see more, quote unquote, acceptance in their minds.

This is what they're saying. And I know people personally, by the way, who have used this logic to justify their own internal desires. And they wanna keep their Christianity. People I've known closely.

And they just say, you know what? This is the story of scripture. And because of that, I am justified in my homosexual desires. So I want you to be aware, right? So that's what's happening in the world, but that's also what's happening in the church, right?

And it's happening more and more and more, which is why I think books like Votie Bauckham's are so important. That's the first book that I wanna talk about today. We're gonna talk about rediscovering womanhood as well, but I wanna talk about this review that Justin Puckett wrote.

And I'm so glad he did, by the way. I just wanna say thank you to Justin because I read this book by Votie Bauckham months ago. In fact, if you go to the Amazon web link or whatever, in fact, maybe, I won't do it.

It'll take up too much time, but you'll see my endorsement there for this book. And so I'm in support of it, but I didn't have time over the weekend because I had my brother's wedding and I had family visiting.

And I took a few days off just to be with family coming out from California and other places. And I asked Justin, I said, hey, Votie's book is coming out soon. Could you do a review of this? And he did it in like two days, which I was impressed.

He just read it and wrote an excellent review. So I'm gonna go through some of his review and I'm also gonna add my own remarks as we go. First, he gives you a quote from the book. This book comes out, by the way, I think in two days, and you can go to Amazon and get it.

It's called, like I said, It's Not Like Being Black by Votie Bauckham. And it starts off with this quote, the sexual revolution is now apparent. It is now apparent, has been about much more than simply discarding sexual inhibitions and restrictions.

Like all revolutions, it has been driven from the start by revolutionary seeking power. I'm so glad that Votie Bauckham said this. That's exactly right, it is that. And it was framed in such a way that this was not about seeking power.

This was just like, gay marriage isn't gonna affect your marriage. People having a march outside doesn't, you don't have to go if you don't like it. Why should you care about what people do in their bedrooms?

We're not bothering you, right? That's how this was all sold to us. And of course, this was only a means to power. This was to take over the calendar. This was to get recognition socially. It was to normalize.

And then after normalization, to weaponize the power that they had gained against those who would disagree. He says, he talks about Votie's issues being really surrounding biblical fatherhood and raising a Christian family.

And I couldn't agree more. I think that's where Votie shines. That's what he has really dedicated himself to. And these are the issues of our day. I think that's one of the reasons he's popular is because he was kind of on the ground floor of being concerned about many of these things.

And he has taken no uncertain stand against homosexuality and threat it is to your family. He says that there's been a number of books. So why another one? Why another book? And he says, hey, despite all the books that have been written, refuting homosexuality from Christian perspectives, there's still, the inroads are still being made.

You see what happened recently in the United Methodist Church and how they made a heretical decision on the matter. All the while the SBC continues to play footsie with it. And Jared Moore wrote an article recently for Baptist Leadership.

What is it?

I'm trying to remember the organization. Center for Baptist Leadership. He wrote a whole article for them talking about how this is starting to be normalized in the Southern Baptist Convention, the side B Christianity side, the homosexual desires.

So he says, no, this is relevant. This is still happening. And Bodhi Bakkam writing a book about this is certainly something that's still needed. So he talks a little bit about who Bodhi Bakkam is. And then he goes, he gives his assessment, which I agree with, by the way, which is that this is, it's a great book for the layman who wants something kind of simple.

And that's, I think, the strength of Bodhi Bakkam books is they are pretty simple. They are accessible to the layman. They're not academic works, but they have a lot of very true, there's a lot of citations in them.

He can simplify some academic things. And so I think that's a very helpful thing for the average layman who wants to understand these issues. So he starts off the book with this comparison that's often trotted out there that gay is the new black.

And that, and like I described to you earlier, like rungs on a ladder, we took the step before the civil rights step. And the next logical step is to apply these civil rights to homosexuals and transgenders, et cetera, and not just limit it to racial minorities, but also quote unquote, sexual minorities.

And one of the problems with this, there are a number, but one of the problems is that God created people differently. And so, and it's good. It's good that God created different people groups. It's true diversity like that is actually a good thing.

It's part of God's creation. God created Europeans and different kinds of Europeans. He created Africans and different kinds of Africans and Asians, et cetera. And this is something that's part of the created order.

But guess what is not part of the created order? Well, you guessed it, homosexuality, right? And you know this by scripture, right? You also know this by nature itself, the natural revelation that God has given us.

And so he quotes Romans, let love be without hypocrisy by a pouring what is evil, cling to what is good. We wouldn't apply this to other sins. We wouldn't say other sins, you know, thievery is the new black or something, right?

We wouldn't say other sexual sins are the new black or, you know, whatever, but we will with this. And so one of the things that Votibachum does is he talks about the loving case in Virginia, which was used to topple anti-miscegenation laws, essentially laws that said that you could not marry someone of another race or ethnicity.

And Voting attacks the Virginia's law because it invalidated, at least in some cases, oh, in the loving case, was it would invalidate a legitimate marriage in the eyes of God. So two people racially different marrying each other is still a valid marriage in the eyes of God.

And so in a sense, the state was imposing a restriction in this case on marriage that now I think Voti says change the definition of marriage, but I guess what I would say is that it didn't fundamentally change the definition by saying it's not a man or a woman or anything, but it did toy with marriage by restricting it in ways that God did not restrict it.

And then going,.

And this is the really egregious part, I suppose, going the extra step of saying, and if you violate our law, then what you have isn't really a marriage, even though God says it is. So they're restricting the definition of marriage.

In this case, what they're doing though is they're doing, they're expanding the definition of marriage in the Obergefell decision. And they're saying it can be all of these other things that aren't actually marriage in the eyes of God.

So in the case of the loving case, they weren't saying that things are marriages that God does not say, that God says are not marriages, that God says are abominations, but they were saying that certain things that actually legitimately are marriages aren't, or we don't recognize them legally.

In this case, and this is, I think, much worse to be honest with you, it's opening Pandora's box for, there is no definition of marriage anymore at all. We're just getting rid of definitions. That's the effect of the Obergefell case.

And so Voti makes this comparison and says, look, it was what happened in some of these anti-miscegenation laws was bad. What's happening now is also bad. And for similar reasons, or at least you can draw some parallels.

And the reason is because Genesis two, it says, therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife, and they shall become one flesh and that's it. Man, woman, right? And they leave their father and mother, they cleave to each other, that's a marriage.

They become one flesh. And this is something that God joins together. Now he says, Justin says, there's two things in the book that struck him. One, the topic of this book is heavy and uncomfortable, similar to the horrors of abortion.

To some extent, we must resist the temptation to close our eyes and plug our ears and pretend it doesn't exist. And I will tell you, there are sections in this book, don't eat before you read them. Don't read them to your children.

He talks about some things that are disturbing, frankly. He gets into Kinsey and what the Kinsey studies, the prisoners and their sexual habits. It's not for the faint of heart. And he's not afraid to go there, which I appreciate.

It's really important, by the way, that we understand that because oftentimes homosexuality is looked at upon like, oh, it's just a rainbow, it's sunshine and roses. Of course it's appropriate for a kid's show because it's just, it's a style, it's an aesthetic, and it's not.

Think about what they're doing. Think about what they're saying, right? Some may say they don't want to know because it still just makes them sick and angry. Well, brother or sister, you should be sick and angry,.

Right?

Don't lose your gag reflex. Proverbs 8 .13 says, the fear of Yahweh is to hate evil pride and arrogance in the evil way in the mouth of the perverted words I hate. We should hate what's happening and we should, there's a healthy hatred there.

We can't bury our heads in the sand on this stuff. He talks about neutrality being a myth, that there is no neutrality. There is no way to have a principle pluralism where Christians can operate in the public square and so can the homosexual lobby.

It's one will eat the other. There's no way for them both to do it. And it will bleed into things like pedophilia. And I know homosexual activists will, they'll jump down your throat when you say that.

And of course that's not true. We're not pedophiles. No, I'm not saying you are, but the same logic employed to justify homosexuality is the same logic employed to justify pedophilia. There is no way to stem or the growth of pedophilia using the arguments that are used to justify homosexuality.

Woody Bachum says this on page 124. All arguments about ultimate truth are in effect religious arguments. The devout secularists is not free of theological presuppositions. He is dogmatic as I am. The difference is that he does not acknowledge his presuppositions.

Instead, he pretends to be a dispassionate seeker of truth. And that's a lie. Bodhi also says, I am not just grasping at extremes, but making a point that should be obvious. If we decide what we will or will not condone in the realm of human sexuality without the benefit of a set standard, there is no limit to the levels of debauchery and chaos into which we will sink.

And that's the point I just made. If there isn't a limit, then it's Pandora's box. It's whatever goes. There are some fascinating quotes I'm gonna say in this book. One of them, he quotes here from 1987.

Listen to this from Steve Warren in a leading gay publication called The Advocate. And the article is called A Warning to Homophobes. And this is what it says, 1987. You can either let us marry people of the same sex or better yet, abolish marriage altogether.

You will be expected to offer ceremonies that bless our sexual arrangements. You will also instruct your people in homosexual as well as heterosexual behavior. And you will go out of your way to make certain that homosexual youths are allowed to date, attend religious functions together, openly display affection and enjoy each other's sexuality without embarrassment or guilt.

Does this read like what we're seeing right now? This was in 1987. If any of the older people in your midst object, you will deal with them sternly, making certain they renounce their ugly and ignorant homophobia or suffer public humiliation.

You will also make certain that laws are passed forbidding discrimination against homosexuals and heavy punishments are assessed. Finally, we will in all likelihood want to expunge a number of passages from your scriptures and rewrite others, eliminating preferential treatment of marriage and using words that will allow for homosexual interpretations of passages describing biblical lovers such as Ruth and Boaz or Solomon and the Queen of Sheba.

Warning, if all these things do not come to pass quickly, we will subject Orthodox Jews and Christians to the most sustained hatred and vilification in recent memory. We have captured the liberal establishment and the press.

We have already beaten you on a number of battlefields. You will have neither the faith nor the strength to fight us so you might as well surrender now.". So Vodibachan quotes this from 1987, over 30 years ago.

This is a popular homosexual magazine, The Advocate. And this is what Steve Warren had to say about the future. And we're living it. And maybe the last foot hasn't quite dropped on this, but it's dropping.

We're in the process, maybe the early stages. And this will be the defining thing, I think, for the church going forward is whether they're going to go along with this or not. And let me tell you something.