October 17, 2019 Show with Stephen Hamilton on “Challenging the Claim of Celibate Homosexual Christianity” PLUS Brad K. Gsell on “God Is Love: The Most Misunderstood, Misused, Twisted & Falsified Truth in Religion”

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth. We're listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Thursday on this 17th day of October 2019 and today we have both a first-time guest and A returning guest to iron sharpens iron radio for the first hour we have for the very first time on this program Stephen Hamilton who is a conference speaker and pastor of Lehigh Valley Free Presbyterian Church in Allentown, Pennsylvania and he's going to be addressing challenging the claim of celibate homosexual Christianity and Then coming up in the second hour.

We will be joined by Brad Zell Author of the legacy of Billy Graham the accommodation of truth to error in the Evangelical Church and He is going to be addressing the theme. God is love the most misunderstood misused Twisted and falsified truth in religion.

We're also going to be talking about the 78th annual convention of the American Council of Christian Churches Held right here in Carlisle, Pennsylvania at Faith Chapel Next week where both of my guests will be speaking.

But first of all, it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio pastors Stephen Hamilton.

Thank you.

Excuse me, and if you could pastor Hamilton as we typically do have. Give our listeners a brief description of the Lehigh Valley Free Presbyterian Church in Allentown, Pennsylvania.

North of Allentown a little town called Walnut Court. Reformed I would even say fundamental church. We're part of a wider Denomination called the free. I'm not a native of this country though. I've lived here now for almost 21 years in Northern Ireland of the free press.

Which well known and probably best known for its long-standing. I will believe in gospel. Yes. I have known of your.

Denomination for a long time. In fact a friend of mine who was Pastoring at one time for a number of years in Malvern, Pennsylvania who is now back in Ulster, Northern Ireland at the Balamina Free Presbyterian Church.

John Greer. Not only a friend but also a former client. He had a radio program on a station where I worked for 15 years right, and he also was a part of a program that I created called the voice of sovereign grace and Which featured different ministers from different churches and John on top of that preached at a major conference At the church where I was once a member grace reform Baptist Church of Long Island located in Merrick, New York.

Very soon after that church came into being after a merger between two reformed Baptist churches. John spoke at one of our first conferences that we had there and It has always been a blessing not only knowing him and sharing fellowship with him but hearing him preach.

She is one of the most powerful preachers I've ever heard and I Miss him being here in the United States when I had easier access to him.

Right, well, I know John I come into this country and Malvern. John was in Northern Ireland and I was in northern. I did her own and Six mile cross for a while though. He's not that much older than me.

I. He was my Greek theological Hall Family over the years until eventually the Lord about a year after I came The Lord called him back to Northern Ireland, which was particularly painful for me. We're still aware of what's cool praise God and if you could we have a tradition here on iron Sherpins iron radio.

We're first-time guests give a summary of their own salvation testimony, including the religious atmosphere In which they were born and raised if any and how the sovereign Lord raised up providential Circumstances in your life that drew you to himself and saved you.

They have a common what came to know Christ was not many have gone on with the Lord and Have proved over the course of time version was indeed real. He was brought up in a Christian home. My parent my dad and my mother were Mount Marian free prison miles from the martyrs Memorial Church.

It was planted and one of the first planted churches over there in 1951. My parents come into the church in 1958. I believe it was denying I Was brought up in that congregation. Not only was I taught the Word of God at home Several nights per way on the Lord's Day the morning church from the evening church Gospel that I needed to have of what the Lord had done in their lives or even it was as a child that I did Seek the Lord and I know that through the years.

Times when I have thought of you that time that I wanted to know I'd be saved and I think that's a question of mine. I'm or the date there. There's no Through the years and I still believe this be a moment of regeneration.

There must be a time when by the way, Pastor Steven.

You're really starting to break up and cutting out or I don't know if you're moving your face away from the mouthpiece of the phone.

Okay, I'm not sure what could be the Connection here. I'm not sure. It's kind of windy today in Pennsylvania. You've got most of that. I often that I what am I trusting in and I know this is a kind of a Fairy-tale path of way of looking at heaven.

People talk about going to have the kids and Peter went. I don't believe any of that. Took my sins. All of that in my life. In my adult life when I thought I might was 11 or 12 I was convicted with no one to go on to me.

Decision that I made. I'm not trusting in this or that Circumdefinished work of the Lord Jesus is all my hope and he is all my trust upon my life. And I have a desire to serve him. Have had that for many many years.

I'm glad to be a Christian.

Praise God, by the way, I don't know if you are using a speakerphone or something, but For some reason the connection is not that good as it was when we first. When you first.

Greeted me before we went on the air. I'm not sure what happened. Oh, I I really can't answer that. Okay.

Well, we'll just have to pray that the Lord improves the connection that we have. Well, uh, one thing that I failed to mention that might be An area of interest or surprise to our listeners is that I happen to know that the Free Presbyterian Church of North America and its mother church the Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster Are one of the few if not, the only that I am aware of Presbyterian denominations that allows ministers to be either Baptistic in their understanding of the ordinance of baptism Credo baptism as it's sometimes called or believer only baptism by immersion or pedo Baptists and that the word Presbyterian in the name of the Free Presbyterian Church of North America is mainly in regard or even exclusively in regard to the church polity that does not involve the ordinances which.

You are permitted to have both types of ministers in your congregations, am I right? That's correct. Yes.

That has been which now is Separate but joined a denomination in the policy. While it seems novel to many and has we've been criticized from if you like because of it many Baptists really are Not happy with the fact that we could have among us Pedo Baptists and of course on the other hand those who are really are that novel I believe in the mid 1700s.

Calvinistic is my understanding. It's not as novel as you imagine.

Yeah, that's interesting that you said that because my friend who is now in eternity with Christ Peter Jeffrey. He is from Port Talbot, Wales. Yes, and he pastored a church that was actually Previously pastored by Martin Lloyd-Jones.

It was the it was the first church that Martin Lloyd-Jones pastored. And Sanfield's was the name of the church and they had the same policy. So it's interesting that you mentioned that Welsh connection.

Yes, and in fact I had the rare privilege of having Peter Jeffrey Visit with my mother on her Deathbed when he was during one of his visits to the United States. He spent a half hour alone with my mother.

My mother had been Roman Catholic her whole life, but she did have Thanks be to the Lord a conversion while on her deathbed six weeks prior to entering into eternity and Although I was very confident in her profession I still had some Fear and trepidation.

Yes, and Peter Jeffrey emerged from her Her sick room and he said to me, I don't know what you're worried about. Your mother's going to heaven. She's born again.

A lot always. Mind of what? Much. Henry said only one death came to these is one. Amen. Amen. I think that's wonderful.

Amen well I'm gonna give our listeners our email address in the event that they would like to join us on the air of the question. Our topic again today is challenging the claim of celibate homosexual Christianity and our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com See HR is a RN z en and gmail .com.

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And also remember folks Brad Zell is joining us the second hour of the program and he is going to be discussing God is love the most misunderstood misused twisted and falsified truth and religion. Well, this is a subject that is One that Very often.

Evokes.

Anger from people even from some that profess to be Christians because they think what we are doing is an exercise in hate and an exercise in self-righteousness and an exercise in bigotry, but Isn't it true that if you truly believe in the inerrancy of the Bible You believe that everything that is taught in the Bible is actually being taught by God himself.

It's God breathed that We are not exercising or expressing or demonstrating love Towards someone if we are making them comfortable in an activity or even a thought life That will send them to hell without repentance.

I mean, how is that? Loving if you believe this to be true that homosexuality is among many Damning sins. In fact any sin that doesn't have the covering of Christ's blood will send one to hell but it's just remarkable to me that That there are people even though We may treat homosexuals or those involved in that activity with love and compassion Just because we have this very strongly held unwavering Belief theological view they they will call it hate and this is not the truth at all.

Is it?

No, it isn't and I am minded of a wonderful loving action on behalf of a neighbor to come and raise the alarm. Loudly on the door during the week. And that person mortal and while they're in danger. Certainly in life.

Nation that they're in so lacking in love in love mental and condom necessary. But the fact of the matter is there's that it's God and his word has stood in love. And is not to say lack of love or in on this issue I want to see people the range of sins that belong in that category now.

There are people who profess to be Christian who are filled with hate the obvious notorious Group that may spring to the mind of many people. Is the Westboro Baptist Church without which I would which I would consider a cult.

Yes, they are known as the God hates fags group. And there are many other people that they claim God hates in their rhetoric. And of course God does hate sin but They demonstrate no love because they offer No call to repentance to homosexuals.

They believe that God has given up on them that they are. They are impossible or it is I should say it is impossible for Homosexuals to repent and convert to Christianity and lay aside this this wicked lifestyle.

So therefore they merely Show up whenever they know homosexuals will be present with a joyful proclamation that they are going to hell and they take great delight in this and. And of course even we would believe that Left to his own will it is impossible for a homosexual to repent and come to Christ but that's the beauty of Sovereign grace is that God gives us a new heart and makes us willing Those those who are his own so we do have a message of hope in the gospel to proclaim to them but the the specific Theme that we are addressing today is challenging the claim of celibate homosexual Christianity and this is something that has really to my understanding.

Especially in conservative evangelical and reformed circles has just Arisen up and reared its ugly head in the not so distant past the Catholic Church Has had this position for quite a long time where they will Permit men who Confess that they are homosexuals into the priesthood as long as they take a vow of chastity.

They don't think that there is something gravely serious about the desire itself. They think it has to be Manifest in a physical action before it becomes very serious, which right? I think the Bible does not teach that it even condemns the burning in one's heart for someone of Your own gender.

But this is something that has become Accepted amongst many today who profess to be conservative Bible-believing Christians who even confess and profess that homosexuality is a damnable sin, but they they seem to share the aberrant understanding with the Roman Catholics that having this as a Proclivity in your mind and a burning desire in your heart for some reason Doesn't seem that very terribly wrong.

Am I am I right on as far as that is their claim?

Of course, I'm not agreeing with that point. Of course, it's a fairly recent phenomenon the idea That someone the Bible says will say okay. Well, we can't be involved for example after the Lord Conceding the word gay is old English.

This is where the Worldly trend of normal to a person even within that Christianity groupings. Yes.

I've had several guests who have critiqued that and opposed it. Yeah, right.

Even from fundamentalism.

Yes.

I'm going to my 2019 Right.

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Formerly in Allentown, Pennsylvania, where did you say the new city was?

It's north of Allentown. It is called Walnut Forge. It's a small town.

About 20 minutes north of Allentown. Okay, Walnut Port. Correct, and we are discussing challenging the claim of celibate homosexual Christianity. And one thing occurred to me when I was surprised when you said that even in some fundamentalist circles there exists this idea of people who have genuinely born again for decades perhaps and Nonetheless are Constantly in a lust struggle for people of the same gender it occurred to me that Although there are among fundamentalists Thoroughgoing Calvinists such as you and I are There are those that I believe are teaching something very Seriously and dangerously wrong and you kind of hinted at it in the beginning about something that you reject the idea that somebody could claim with certainty that they are a Christian just because they recited a prayer at some point and It seems that fundamentalism is divided over that you have many amongst the fundamentalists who are Romans road advocates if you will who believe That you shouldn't even question that somebody is born again if they admit that they're a sinner admit that they need Christ as the Savior and So on.

And they are they are told you are born again, and if you have any doubts in your mind It's just the devil trying to trick you or whatever. But not all fundamentalists Agree with that and is that the reason you think that this?

Understanding that Homosexual Christians are a actual real People group. Do you think that that's why that exists amongst some who are fundamentalists?

Well I'm not sure why it is that people would take that view. I'm fairly think that it would come down to not suggesting that they are in the camp of revoice. Idea I think to the light by judgment. He didn't say we just in my opinion.

Quote, I'm not saying that gave and redeemed you here in that interview with Sam Horn was was getting that to identify as a gay Chris, we need to believe in gay Christian means that we define in that way I would say on we have an anonymous listener.

Who asks? Why is it that it is impossible for someone to be a homosexual Christian while heterosexual Christians battle with lusts for The opposite sex possibly their entire lives. What would be the difference.

And when I say a homosexual Christian? I'm not speaking of somebody actively involved physically in that sin. But somebody who battles lust over the same sex attraction. In the same way that a heterosexual battles lusts with the opposite sex.

Well.

Like it's an organic thing.

The fact that water is that God created that male and female God never created Homosexual people. Even in the strange full times or here is the idea that someone can identify recalls. Okay. He claimed I'm gay.

I'm gay I'm gay that he wants to. He has written where he ends by saying that the blood of God leaves you in a to say. You know in any way shiver for a quote the term gay itself by those are in that activity.

Yes, and one thing that these folks seem to fail to remember is that there is something uniquely Wrong and uniquely in rebellion against the plan and design of God's creation when it comes to homosexuality in that it is not only evil as heterosexual sin outside of marriage is heterosexual sexual sin, but unlike heterosexual sexual sin Homosexuality is unnatural.

Unforgiven will take a person but the idea that Would include even bestiality you could include sexual deviance that somehow these are just sins among sin. I'm always reminded of what happened in the book of Ezekiel.

Where there were those who were taken in and shown? Certain abominations with me. And I will show you then these as well as the scripts are not equally heinous. There are some sins that homosexuality already mentioned.

Romans is a number of descript men and leaving the natural use of the woman and Burning in their lust one toward another it is the Bible talks about it in terms of nature. Reality is an unnatural behavior for someone to say that there are homosexual element.

I'm to unite we probably don't have time from have even read right? I've read that Trying to say that that is sort of a template for a Celebrant and I believe that to be verging on blasphemy.

I will. One thing that actually goes over the line of blasphemy big time is the view by some homosexual activists and theologians that the disciple and Apostle John and Jesus Christ had this kind of Yes a relationship.

That's why John reclined on Jesus's breast and so on.

And again, they they wouldn't necessarily play a template. Relationships. That credence by what the Lord did in relation to the disciples. David and Jonathan were both men who had babes and he had Children did the idea that somehow there was this modern-day person to say in my relationship with egregious.

I think I think there's another element to some of us that we could report and that is. The enemy is being supported by us. You give people saying well, this is who I am. This is how I am. This is my experience.

And then you know, we're being told that the church needs to listen to the stories Believers or opinions of a church by taking into account these very real. Certainly are not people who would not want to claim to be that lifestyle and we are out of time.

A brother.

I know that you could only be on with us for the first hour. We have to go to our midway break now. Can you quickly give any contact information that you care to share? For the free Presbyterian Church congregation, where are you pastor in Walnut Port, Pennsylvania?

Yes, my Congregation is located in 233 that's two three three Walnut Port, Pennsylvania. My own house that is R-e-v-s-h-a-m-i-l. It looks like Rev Shamal. R-e-v-s-h-a-m-i-l.

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Verizon .net then as a church website, which is not just for my own congregation, but the denomination R-e-e-e.

Well, thank you so much brother. I look forward to meeting you face to face next week at the conference in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. And I'll be giving our listeners more details about that towards the end of the show.

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