Road Trip Dividing Line From Conway, Arkansas

Technical Problems and the Road Trip Setup

Greetings welcome to the dividing line a road trip dividing line one that almost didn't happen and who knows if it still will. I've had four and a half minutes to prepare to actually do the program. Because I've been doing all the stuff we've got to do and it seems like our 5g connection router fried.

Even though I ordered in a fan for it today, maybe may have been too late for that. I don't know. We'll we'll find out we're literally running through an iPad right now. And I I was gonna have to get the star link out and you can't just go over and hit start star link.

You've got to get it out get it set up. You got to do stuff up in the sky. There's there's you know, it's not something can be done really quickly. And so we were gonna have to be delayed and and I was hadn't had anything since breakfast this morning drove for many many hours and While making a super healthy hot dog.

All sudden I thought well wait could we do it that way and So we changed everything around and here we are we are live in our studio and We have multiple cameras that we can use and say hi and and You can see stuff behind me now and stuff like that.

And yeah, whatever. So here we are. But I'm not feeling overly prepared For the actual substance of the program because I'm spending all my time on other stuff. But we'll get all that figured out hopefully and maybe not fry stuff and simplify as much as we possibly can To make all of this work because I'm doing another program live this evening.

So this has to work and actually in a sense, it's probably best that we did what we had to do. Because I'm gonna have to use zoom Tonight for another program, at least I think it's zoom. We'll find out it needs to be.

I guess I'm gonna be on with Eli Ayala. We're gonna be talking about Mormonism. And so that'll be nine o 'clock Eastern Time. So a few hours down the road, maybe I'll have a chance to actually eat between now and then.

What am I seeing here? I am seeing an announcement just now. That Tucker Carlson is is going to do a program. It says Tucker plus Elon so Elon is is gonna make the Tucker Carlson thing happen what on Twitter or something?

And I mean that would make sense, yeah, it does look like it's yeah, it's gonna be on on Twitter Now. Wouldn't that be amazing? I mean honestly Elon Musk buys Twitter and Then turns it into like something that could like crush legacy media.

Yeah, that would be I I Don't know. I don't know. What can I say? I'm just sitting in a fifth wheel and we're we'd be we'd be talking. Okay, so we are in Conway, Arkansas. Well, I'm not technically in Conway, Arkansas, but I'm this is um, I'm only a matter of feet from the spot.

I was at a Year ago February when I experienced my first ice storm in an RV and if you if you'd like Let me offer from my now wider range of experience as an RV person. When you have an ice storm you may see lots of water coming off your unit because ice is melting fine.

But remember something. You may have an entire sheet of ice on the top of your slide outs at that time. I only had one slide out and I figured everything had melted. I didn't get up on a ladder to look and I Put the slide out in if you don't know what a slide out is there's a slide out right here.

It's a it's a part on rails that goes out. So it gives you much more room inside and it comes in while you're traveling and I have to explain that because I didn't know what a slide out was until you know, two years ago less than two years ago and I got to my next stop and I remember it was right when Josh Bice was calling me on the phone to talk about the Washington G3 thing that happened last year that he was inviting me to.

And I get inside the unit and there's water all over the floor because I had gone south it was much warmer and What I didn't realize is there was a sheet of ice probably I don't know. It's probably about that thick right wasn't all that much but.

And it melted inside the unit and it comes down off. You know down on the floor and I was literally talking to Josh on my hands and knees with paper towels and other towels wiping up the floor of the other RV so just something remember if you're ever in an ice storm and So I was right here in this park I was teaching that was apologetics, I think for Grace Bible Theological Seminary and I got to drive in in the ice.

Which we we Phoenicians we we can handle melting roads. Frozen roads with that icy stuff on it. Not nearly as fun. Not nearly as fun at all. So Anyway, so here we are and Thursday night We are going to be having an evening with James White and I'm gonna be talking about 1st Corinthians chapter 1 which I have obviously shared on this program many many many times before and Spoken about and I have often said and evidently someone at the seminary was listening I've often said that Christian scholars should have 1st Corinthians chapter 1 preached to them.

They should at least read it, but it would probably be good to have it preached to them Twice a year. Just simply to counteract the constant temptation That comes from being involved in quote-unquote academia to embrace and love The wisdom of the world or to be embarrassed about the foolishness of God which is wiser than the world and stronger than the world and all that kind of stuff, but the temptation is extremely strong and.

So Thursday night here. You know, I'm not even sure what the location is whether it's gonna be at the seminary or at the new church building. I will have to look so they can't start without me. But we'll find out.

But that'll be Thursday night and I think there's an announcement on the GBTS website for that and then this weekend and I'm just looking at all the windows and stuff that I have open here. Trying to find stuff this weekend.

I Will be just north of Nashville. I believe it's just north of Nashville. It's sovereign. It's Sovereign Grace Church of Greenbrier, Tennessee. But this is also known as White House, Tennessee. So I will be in the Preaching in the morning.

My understanding is they have like a morning service and then they break for Fellowship meal and then have something a little less formal afterwards. A lot of churches have been doing that. Instead of having a morning service evening service you just cram it all together.

In essence, that's what we do at Apologia, except we just make the service really really long. In essence, that's anyway. So this Sunday, I will be at Sovereign Grace Church of Greenbrier. And Mark Romaldi is the pastor there and I knew him back when he was a youngin on Long Island when I would go back there and I was mainly at Grace Reformed Baptist Church and Hope Reformed Baptist Church and then there was a Faith Reformed Baptist Church way out on the far end of the island and for years and years we were going out there and very much attached to all the folks out there and That was in the 90s and early 2000s.

So like 20 years ago, but anyway That's where I'll be this coming Sunday. And then the Sunday thereafter. I'll be with Derek Melton at his church in Pryor Grace Life Church in Pryor and We will all be doing a knife-throwing contest.

No, we're not. As you may know Derek makes tremendous knives. By the way, by the way We will we'll get around to that Bible eventually. We'll get around to that Bible eventually Lord willing trust me.

We'll get there not forgetting about it, but Rich and I were running around like a like chickens their heads cut off just now trying to get everything working. It will get easier to do we hope over time.

The problem is the more the more parts You have to any system The more things can break and that's sort of what we're dealing with. With all the stuff that that we've got going on here. So just real quickly.

Recent Ministry Travel and the Georgetown Conference

This past weekend I was with Joel Webben in Georgetown Texas we had a full conference. I mean we were sold out There really it wasn't any room for anybody anything more than what we had and Lots of lots of folks that well actually there were there was at least a couple folks from Apologia that were there which was interesting and I got to talk to some folks from Jeff Neal's church.

Jeff Neal and I wrote the same-sex controversy together back in 2000 and I actually got to on Sunday Jeff and his wife Denise. They were speaking in sort of the next town over and so We got in touch and we got together that afternoon.

Just some you know for about an hour and 20 minutes or so I Talked too much But we got caught up on lots and lots of stuff and It was great to see him hadn't seen him since he'd had his stroke a number of years ago.

He was doing great his memory was sharp and Of course he hadn't he and I go back a long way. I would say 19 It could have been as early as 19 like 83 It could be like 40 years. Neither one of us could remember exactly how we first met whether is it North Phoenix Baptist Church?

Whether is it breathing Christian bookstore where he worked? He was a year ahead of me at Grand Canyon College and Then he took like two years off Before he went to Fuller Seminary and I went straight into Fuller when I graduated.

So I was a year ahead of him at Fuller and We had a lot of it was great talking about It was interesting the things he remembered were the things that not only had I remembered but I had talked about To lots of people over the years.

I I remember very clearly Him coming to my apartment One night after class I had already graduated and He was in tears he the battle was so intense and the mockery of believing in God's election or inspiration and errancy of Scripture and He was just like how did you do it?

I I just don't know if I can if I can press through this and I remember that night Very very clearly very thankful that I still remember those types of things because they were important they're really important and So we it was great getting together with him he's he's has pastored at the CREC Church Over in the Fort Worth area for many many years and I've had the opportunity to speak in there once and Hopefully now we've hooked up again.

I'll get a chance to do that again in the future because I go through that area All the time and now we have the proper You know how you know, you've known somebody for a long long long long time you look at your phone and You've got like six numbers for them and five of them don't exist anymore they they they haven't had that number in decades, but you still have it because well, that's that's how that sort of works, but anyway so Joe boot was there and Joe really sorry.

I never got to say goodbye to you, but I didn't. But I spoke on Friday and Saturday spent hours talking with folks Hearing their testimonies and and again extremely encouraging. This this webcast has I've lost track now of how many people have called it a lifeline.

An absolute lifeline for people that were in really difficult Hard situations dire straits. And in ways that we could have never predicted we could not have You know tried to make it work that way. It just and since we've never spent a dime advertising this program how it gets to people is Truly amazing.

I mean it really really is and So I was talking to some people, you know. Well, I've heard about you because I was watching Jeff Durbin and and so he mentioned you and then your stuff started popping up.

And and then vice versa, you know, I found out about apology because we were watching you. You know, it's just how that's that's worked that way for a very very long time. But so a lot of really touching conversations and testimonies from people.

It was Very useful. I don't know when the presentations will be posted. They were Recorded. I also recorded some stuff. The same folks that did the as it is and on earth as it is in heaven movie Had already interviewed me.

Oh man, at least a year ago at the apology to studios and We did another interview this time. For I don't know if it's gonna be the same movie or another movie or a documentary. I I don't know but we recorded a lot of stuff and Spoke on Topics that amongst most evangelicals today have the same attraction as the name Voldemort.

You know what I mean, so yes, I actually spoke on Postmillennialism. I spoke on general equity theonomy and Sunday morning I Hope this was the Lord Preached on the connection because I had never thought of the connection before.

I Was gonna preach out of Acts and Paul's interaction with Felix. I Preached that section at Apologia in Salt Lake City. What two months ago now the first weekend April and I was gonna go there again and Then Sunday morning one of the questions that have been asked during the seminar was about hyperpreterism and I Had said a good way to detect it is To see what someone does with act 17 30 and 31 and If they say that the judgment that Paul is speaking of in Acts 17 31 Has already taken place in Jerusalem.

You're probably talking to a hyper preterist and So that question had come up and and When it first came up Joel Addressed it and addressed it and I I don't think Joel realized he went about at least 10 minutes In response to that question so much so that I was sort of tapping on on Joe and they stay awake there man and Because he was just gone and gone and going and going and going and we're all just like well Thanks for having us here Joel, you know and So at first I didn't comment on it, but I thought you know I do need to make comment about this later on I sort of threw it in Just because the term mellow and I'm gonna I need to I need to write an entire Paper on this and I it's something I want to do and I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

Then a little busy it's sort of hard to write on the road. But I want to comment on the fact that in Act 17 31 the term mellow Melanthus is Used there and the hyper preterists Get confused because very often mellow means about to happen very soon to happen.

There's normally a contextual clue to that but and The word appears in act 17 31 but acts and Luke and Hebrews are much more classical Greek than they are coin a Greek and There's much more complex syntax involved and What you have in act 17 31 is actually translated by the legacy standard Bible as certainly I wasn't gonna talk about this, but I did find it really interesting.

Some of the neat stuff 1731 the neat stuff that I'm saying That I'm seeing in the legacy standard Bible because he has fixed a day in which he will judge the world in righteousness and The hyper preterist says which he is about to it's gonna happen in just a few years in Jerusalem is When this judgment of the entire inhabited world is going to take place and So I was thinking about that and it all of a sudden it struck me That there was a very clear connection between what Paul says to Felix because Felix he's reasoning with him.

He's declaring to him he's talking with him about righteousness and Self-control and the judgment to come and Felix becomes afraid and So here and that's outside the context of the church. He's talking to someone.

He's talking to a magistrate. He's talking to a person has the power to to free him and And Paul's like may have the power to free me, but I need to tell the truth even if it's offensive to him or it scares him which it did but think about he's Talking to someone up outside the church Felix and in Acts 17, he's talking to the elites the philosophical elites and What does he talk to about them judgment judgment to come and so there is a real connection between the two and so that those were the the two texts I put together and Did make a Get a little more air going.

I only have one AC unit, but it's warm here today. It's a my Thermometers down there are saying mid 90s. So it's a pretty toasty. Ah. It was helpful to exhort everyone, you know, here's here's an example of a Christian Apostle speaking to powers outside of the church and What does he do I can guarantee you when he's speaking to Felix Considering righteous and a self-control and the judgment to come.

He's doing that on the basis of the scriptures. Remember Felix's wife was a Jewess and So he knew more about the way than many other people did but there's no New Testament for him to be quoting from and So he would be utilizing the scriptures he'd be utilizing the Hebrew scriptures as the grounds of this moral exhortation to the magistrate himself and I think that's that's significant and you put the two together and So hopefully I'm assuming that was recorded as well and so I'm hoping that that will all be posted and we'll link to it and Again it was really great to meet everybody and to see everybody.

It was done real well. And by the way, Joel wanted me to Say something I had made comment at some point before the seminar before I even left about some of the young men and the kind of Immaturity that is being demonstrated by attempting to Force consensus through shall we say meme terrorism? something along those lines and I was not referring to Joel some people assumed that that was the case and it wasn't.

Joel's a young guy and He doesn't want to necessarily cut himself off from other young guys, but he also recognizes and I certainly Exhorted himself and others to recognize the necessity for Patience and maturity there's a section and by the way, the sweater vest dialogue finally dropped That I discussed Doug Wilson's new book mere Christendom and There's a section in our conversation Where Doug's says the same thing and that is a lot of young guys get hold of Something like post-millennialism and They all of a sudden just want they wanted accomplished now it needs to be accomplished now, there's no time everybody needs to get on board now, and if you don't we're gonna cancel you and we're gonna There's certain terms that are utilized To describe people who will not just immediately jump on board with some type of Christian nationalist tag or something along those lines and I See this Doug sees this Both Doug and I agree that the only way that any kind of meaningful Submission of the nation's to Jesus Christ is going to take place and Despite the number of people who say but that's not a biblical view.

There are promises of that Psalm 2 seems to be saying that the only way that's gonna happen is from a reformed perspective Recognizing God's ability to save his elect. And if we can say right now in the midst of great judgment God's still saving his elect.

What about when he chooses to save a whole bunch of his elect all at once. What kind of impact is that gonna have on? A society if God also imposes spirit out upon that that society so. But the point is there needs to be patience.

Is it you can't I Evidently there's cage-stage Calvinism. There's cage-stage stage Christian nationalism, too and The cage stagers don't recognize in either one that it's the Spirit of God that Has to be the one bringing these things about.

I can't but that's why I've always just looked at. And it's great temptation. I see it all the time. I see people they start seeing the sovereignty of God. I've seen it. I'm saying election and Then all of a sudden well, if you don't believe this you must not be a Christian.

It's like whoa. Whoa, whoa. How long did it take you to come to find out about this? Huh? How many years did you not recognize? How many years were you inconsistent? Don't don't do this Cage stage type stuff.

You've got to be patient the best. You know, I have led Without necessarily being the one who did it personally. My work this program Potter's freedom God's sovereign grace Cetera cetera has been used to lead many many thousands of people into the reformed faith and Then they lead others and they lead others and it's it's wonderful.

That's one of the things I love about traveling like this you get to meet people that we're at that same place. You don't do that by being a cage stager. You do that by being consistent over time biblical over time.

And so if you're convinced of Your position of Christian nationalism. Okay. I don't I don't like that term. All right. I really don't just some kids playing outside. I heard a bump. I wasn't sure what was going on, but I Don't I don't like the term personally and I don't use the term unless what you mean by Christian nationalism is blesses the nation is God is Yahweh sin is a rebuke to any people and Kiss the Sun must he be angry and you perish in the way if you if you mean by that That a nation that wants God's blessings Will not reject God's ways great fine.

That's obviously not enough for a lot of people and Especially the stuff that we've seen from Stephen Wolfe recently is even more troubling along those lines in regards to not needing Exegesis and a major work of the Spirit and stuff like that.

Christian Nationalism, Thomism, and the Limits of Meme Warfare

That's what I was gonna gonna pull up and now I I'm not even certain now that I think about it Where in the world that would be because I did. In fact now that I think about I I saved that Before I left.

Yeah, okay. I think I whoa, I think I may have found. Well I found some of it because Toby and Stephen Wolfe had an interesting exchange. Yeah, yeah, okay, I'm. Well, all right. Let me apologize ahead of time here.

Because once again, it's that situation where I have multiple screenshots and. And They're not in proper order. Which is problematic, but I wasn't like I said, I had after all the technical stuff. I about four or five minutes to prep.

Back to where I was for a moment. There's just so much other stuff being attached to this debate and I've said on Twitter If Maturity and Patience does not become the hallmark of the movement that's calling itself the Christian nationalist movement if consistent sound theology is Not a hallmark of what calls itself the Christian nationals movement now what you're gonna have is you're gonna have about 40 different groups and Every one of them would be able to hold their national conference in the meeting room at the back of the Holiday Inn and They'll be busy Anathema tizing each other and the reason I say this is I've seen it happen before I've seen it happen before I can't help but think of Jerry Maddix.

Jerry Maddix Catholic answers apologists extraordinaire, right and Yet for years and years, I don't know what he's doing today but 15 years ago. He was literally meeting with a dozen people in the back of a Holiday Inn.

Because he had become this wild-eyed Setty vacantis and the setty vacantis groups for those of you not familiar the terminology Setty vacantis means the seat is empty. There is no valid Pope right now.

It's normally associated with that being valid orders priests things like that Frequently connected with Vatican to and all the rest that kind of stuff. But all those groups, there's a bunch of those teeny tiny little Roman Catholic groups and they hate each other More than they hate people that are farther away from them.

That's part of Human Just a human way things that are the closer people are to you the more likely these are gonna divide from them and That's what's going on in that context. And so anyway, if there is not a You know, the only the only positive stuff I see about Christian nationalism is the assertion that We need to understand sphere sovereignty.

Oh Oh, oh and by the way by the way It's been a while since we had last program and even then last program is in here it was our first one. We didn't want to have to do anything negative and all this that kind of stuff sacralism sacralism.

Who knew? that by using a term that's been used by dozens of people in publications for decades and That hasn't easily looked up meaning I Mean I don't know how many times I use the term when we were in Germany In that context telling people about what was going on there but You know, I just realized the Sun's gonna be coming right through that window in a second and That's gonna get really bright.

So hey live video Watch this. This is how you reach over grab grab a shame and you Get rid of the Sun. It is a little bit lighter a little bit darker, isn't it? Yeah. Well, okay. Yeah, ta-da. And I'm in control of it now, I don't I don't have to look up oh, oh I Control the horizontal and the vertical.

It's fun. Anyway, what were we talking about here? Oh, yes. Um sacralism is simply What what happened in what we might call Christendom 1 .0 to borrow Doug's terminology? Where Screen sphere sovereignty was not understood and was clearly violated.

Now it is interesting Rome during the Inquisition Yes would would have their own priests and others doing torture and things like that for the good of those who were being tortured because what they were doing was attacking Christendom and That's why Luther Knowing Fritz Erba was in that Pit left him there.

Because Martin Luther concluded that the danger for Christendom Represented by Fritz Erba Was a greater thing than the torture of a Christian believer who on every other subject Would agree with Luther.

But on this one issue which became in those early decades The very definition of what Christendom would be infant baptism on that one issue there was disagreement and therefore or from Luther's perspective He he's got to go and he did took him seven years, but he's got to go so Sacralism is That situation where the biblically defined Spheres Coalesce and Yet Rome still technically when it came to execution Said that they were turning someone over to the secular state and it wasn't the church that was executing him.

And when it was tortured That was considered to be a spiritual thing and hence within the realm of the church but to burn at the stake. The state had to do that and So the church turned you over now the state didn't have any choice Unless they themselves wanted to run foul of the church so it was a an empty distinction but Still they tried to make the distinction so when the Wolf's Went after me because I used the term this is when the sort of us dialogue dropped.

And immediately it was like well sacralism. It isn't a thing. I think he just made it up and Then it's continued since then. And I'm like well just look it up well, oh, you know, it's just not all that popularly utilized and stuff who cares Especially on this particular topic it's central and vital and it's an accurate description of What Calvin was but what Calvin laid the Foundation for ending Unintentional Unintentional and so it's vitally important and I was just stunned again just the immaturity of the interactions from people and again, I See stuff that I don't appreciate from all sides, but my goodness it does seem to me that most of the Snarky Shallow I don't care if I Really don't have anything to say on this subject.

I'm gonna say it anyways Type stuff has been coming from the quote-unquote Calvinist Christian nationalists, it's just it's just what I'm seeing and Maybe that's because they want to shoot at me because I Won't utilize this to divide.

You know even before or this CN stuff started as Far as the utilization of the terminology the folks at Grace Bible Theology Sumner, which is where I am right now Had arranged for the g3 pre-conference conference That will include basically all of the pretty much well the majority of the professors at the seminary are gonna be there and So on strands gonna be there.

I'm pretty sure just more more is gonna be there. Jeff Johnson's gonna be there Josh Weiss is gonna be there and Scott Daniels gonna be there and They've asked me to be there. Now I am the odd man out I'm the the postie the post-millennial is the general equity a theonomist and Scott is I believe a premium on pre-millennial us at least what I'm getting from what I'm reading.

Most the other guys are all mill. So We have a number of different perspectives, but the subject is church and state post-millennialism. Millennialism dispensationalism theonomy I would say you're gonna have to throw a theonomy in you need to throw autonomy into Secular autonomy secular liberalism, whatever and so we're not going to be Ripping each other's faces off, which I'm afraid some people That's what they hope would happen is that there would be blood on the floor afterwards they'd be mopping it up but there's gonna be disagreement and My desire is that we will be able to demonstrate how to handle disagreement as Christian brothers who agree on so much.

That requires maturity it requires patience. It requires a long view and if you want to claim to be a Christian Nationalist quote-unquote if you have a long view, you're not gonna make it dude. You're not gonna make it.

The only way any of this makes sense is in the long view. It's in the lay the foundations for future generations view. And if you've got the idea that no we're doing this now. We're gonna get the meme war started.

Like I said 10 years from now. It's just gonna be a joke. It'll be a joke people look back and go. Oh, yeah, I remember that man that That that face planted quickly and it's like yeah. Yeah, I did. If you don't have the maturity, you don't have the long view don't have the foundation.

It's going nowhere. So with that said I hadn't even thought about this. I again only had a few minutes. The Stephen Wolf thing. It sort of started with this one and this was May 3rd and man, I wish that so many when you do screenshots, it says 13 hours 10 hours stuff like that instead of Providing the date, you know, and so you don't necessarily Frustrating.

Hey, don't look at me wrong. Twitter has improved massively under Elon Musk, hasn't it? I Still think there's some Prejudice. I Don't think Elon's gotten rid of everybody yet that I don't know if he can Get rid of everybody that wouldn't be pulling some shenanigans in the back room.

But it's improved a lot. It really really has. The number of ads is certainly increased. But in general to be able to communicate it's Improved a lot and One of the things that I saw here. I suppose I could probably Switch over some other screen while taking a drink.

Look more professional. But on May 3rd, so six days ago Stephen Wolf on Twitter Christian politics. Well, you know what yeah, yeah, there it goes hey. You're proud of me rich. You should be you should be sitting back there going.

Well done, Padawan. I am very proud.

Okay, um Christian politics derived entirely from exegesis is largely driven by the demands of democracy and modern education. Because energizing the masses requires you to appeal to what the masses know.

Pretty modern Christian politics was informed by reason. Experience e .g. pagan sources and Scripture. Because the few not the many participate in politics and they knew far more than the Bible. So your pre-mill or whatever exegesis is a product of very modern conditions.

Now Rich hasn't taught me the oh. Oh, oh. Hold on. Look how small it is rich. I thought we fixed that it was supposed to be bigger than that, but I did get the PNP in but the. But the size is look at that and no one can read that.

Well, we got to fix the size, but I hate. I tried I gave it I gave it a shot and I know rich tried to fix that. I sat here watching him go 40 not 25 and so he he tried but we'll get it. It will get it.

We're working on it. There the number of details are many many many many many many details. So going back to what we what we have here this was the first time I really saw the connection between Stephen Wolfe's Thomism and Where he's really going with this Suggestion that he's making this program that he's laying out here and I immediately I'm immediately like gone.

Where have I heard this language? Where have I heard? Reason and experience e .g. pagan sources. And then scripture, you know, you know. Because the few not the many participate in politics and they knew far more than the Bible.

Oh, yes. We there's no that Bible. It's you know, it's it's it's important. But you know, there's a lot more to know than that, you know. So your post Miller pre Miller, whatever exegesis is a product of very modern conditions.

Boy we can unpack that if we wanted to buy a long shot but Christian politics drive entirely from exegesis is Largely driven by the demands of democracy and modern education. Why? Well because energizing the masses requires you to appeal to what the masses know.

The masses aren't experts in the Bible. They're not extra experts in exegesis either. Christian politics derived from exegesis. Well, first of all, you can't derive all of quote-unquote what's Christian politics.

Are we talking about the principles? upon which Christians should seek to be active in the world as representatives of Christ and proclaiming his lordship and literally saying Christ does reign now and You must submit to the Sun or his wrath will come upon you because you as the magistrate are responsible to do that.

That's really the key. That's really the key because I was thinking about getting into it today, but I probably won't. When I listened to Dr. Daniels response to mere Christendom. I detected a lot of our 2k Patterns of thought our 2k is radical to Kingdom theology primarily as promoted out of Escondido Westminster in Escondido and So much of this conversation really comes down to Things like When was Daniel 7 fulfilled.

Has it been fulfilled. Has Christ been enthroned in power. Has Matthew 28 actually been fulfilled. Has all authority been given to him in heaven and earth is the exercising that authority. How do you relate Matthew 28 Psalm 2 Daniel 7 Isaiah 42 First Corinthians 15.

These are all top-level Texts these are not. This is not someplace where you're arguing about some obscure text in in an apocryphal work necessarily we're talking here about texts that the New Testament writers clearly see as Specifically about Christ and I mean you look at Psalm 110 Psalm 2 it is plain beyond question That when the Lord Jesus ministered to his Apostles after his resurrection and he opened their minds to understand the scripture.

Those are the scriptures. He opened their minds to. Those are the scriptures he explained. So those should be primary in our understanding, right? And so if Christ is enthroned Then Psalm 2 comes to have a meaning.