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This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio.

Wishing you all a happy Christmas Eve Eve on this 23rd day of December

2020 and today it happens to be a Wednesday and I am delighted to have back on

a returning guest.

For the first hour who I love to interview his name is Nate pickowitz if you do not Already know who

Nate pickowitz is you must?

Get to know him and his books and benefit from them.

He is pastor of harvest Bible Church in Gilmont and ironworks, New Hampshire.

He's a author including books such as reviving New England and

Why we're Protestant.

He also writes articles for table talk and other periodicals and today We are addressing

his latest book and I love the title.

It's one of my favorite titles that I've ever seen in print of a published book how

to eat your Bible a Simple approach to learning and loving the Word of God and it's my honor and privilege to

welcome you back.

For the first hour of iron sharpens iron radio Nate pickowitz.

Thank You Chris, it's good to be back and by the way folks make sure you stay tuned through the entire

program because joining us and the second hour my second guest today is another returning

guest James Fryer an author and Marian apparition researcher and he's going to be

discussing global studies on Mariolatry and its implications on missions.

So make sure you stay tuned for that part of the program as well.

But before we go into your book how to eat your Bible Tell our listeners about Harvest

Bible Church and Gilmont and ironworks, New Hampshire.

Sure,

praise God and

I

first became aware

of pastor Nate

pickowitz's

ministry.

I believe through our mutual friend pastor Mac Tomlinson.

Yes, who is pastor of? Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas.

And I ask of our listeners to pray that my oldest

brother John who is 76 and lives just 10 minutes away from

pastor Mac Tomlinson's home.

That he is willing to receive a visit from pastor Mac

because my brother has some very serious health problems and none of us are

guaranteed a long life on this earth let alone.

We're not even guaranteed a day.

But my brother has critical stage emphysema and cancer of the lung colon and spine

and he From what I can sense is not trusting in the finished work of

Jesus Christ.

Although the Lord is showing very promising signs that he is drawing my brother.

But it's one of those situations where I don't have a lot of confidence and peace about it.

So pray that he is Willing to meet with pastor Mac again.

Mac did meet with him before the kovat crisis when my brother had to

take a trip to the hospital and Mac showed up unannounced and my brother seemed to

enjoy the visit very much.

Which has me puzzled as to why he's just reluctant for another visit.

Please pray that that occurs and more importantly that my brother not only is

physically healed from the things that are Attacking his body, but much more infinitely more

important that he comes to eternal life and in Jesus Christ.

And I appreciate your prayers about that.

If you could pastor Nate, even though these books are not the topic of today's show

I do want you to give a summary of reviving New England and why we're Protestant to our

listeners so that they can have their appetites wedded and And not only purchase these books, but perhaps even listen

to our Previous interviews on the iron sharpens iron radio archives of those on

those books.

So let's start with reviving New England.

Oh,

yeah,

but

we

got

to

get

you

and

Dustin

on to.

Know in fact, I know who does come here.

I've never met Dustin face -to -face, but I've had a number of conversations with him and I've interviewed him on Jonathan

Edwards angel all angel ology.

That's right.

We're via angel ology of Jonathan Edwards.

That's right.

And I believe he did his doctoral dissertation on that if I'm not mistaken, or did you know and and

I assisted him in Candidating for a church that has

become very important to me on Long Island, New York and things on both

sides.

Didn't seem to be a perfect match.

So I know I think that Dustin is More prone to enter into full -time

teaching now.

Yeah, my

friend

Justin Peters

seems to be

sharing a lot of.

Dustin Benji's quotes on Facebook one of the few things that Facebook

is good for spreading the God spreading the gospel and And Dustin certainly has some

Very pithy statements that are worthy of spreading.

Yeah, and by the way a James Fryer who you just mentioned the second guest today.

He did his doctoral dissertation on Marielle a tree so okay should be interesting

and.

Well, I want to give our listeners our email address if they'd like to join us on the air.

Our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

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We would obviously like you to be asking specific questions about subject matter

that you hear as Nate pastor.

Nate continues to describe and explain what he has included in his book how to

eat your Bible a simple approach to learning and loving the Word of God, but Since he is a pastor

we will ask we will allow you to ask pastoral questions and theological questions.

He would be from a very similar background to the theological background and I am from

Reformed and Baptistic and.

So if you'd have a question Send it to Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

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And please give us at least your first name your city and state of residence.

And your country of residence if you live outside the USA and only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private

matter Such as a pastoral question or something like that.

So this is obviously an attention -grabber quite quite a humorous and

I think Memorable title how to eat your Bible if you can explain that.

Sure, so

biding

the scripture.

Wanted to

write a

book that

will

tell

us more

about in

more detail that target

audience.

Sure.

So a lot

of

the little

be helpful

for

people

who've been in their

script

in the Bible

for a

while.

All these Bibles

on their houses now.

What is it

about the

scriptures?

That Very often not with every single person.

I mean there are even people Who love to read the scriptures and seem to know a

lot about the scriptures or not even regenerate?

You know that there are Seminary professors who have memorized huge portions of

scripture.

They might even know the original languages, but they are the spiritually dead as a doornail.

But a lot of people there's something very intimidating about picking up

the Bible on their own and And reading the Bible on their own and and studying it and

do you think a lot of it is just spiritual warfare the demonic realm or something because it

seems strange that you could have people who you know, they know by

heart the stats of their favorite athletes and teams and Could

go on and on and wax eloquently about all kinds of subjects music and other things.

And then when it comes to picking up the Bible, even though the Bible even on the basis of

sheer literature Has some extremely fascinating riveting stories

in it.

They're not all genealogies right, you know, there's some really

Mind -blowing things there and that's why even you know Cecil B. DeMille and other

Movie producers have created movies about the Bible of most of them.

Absolutely horrific.

Uh -huh, and and horribly done, but I would say the Ten Commandments at least for the artistry and of cinema was a

very Excellent movie of it did not remain completely faithful to

the Hebrew Scriptures.

But what are your thoughts on that?

What is the big roadblock for most people picking up their Bible?

I think it's a

lot of

things.

I think

it

depends on

the person

but and I

would be

one of those

people.

Sure.

Well, you know, but that's kind of the point.

But if

you know

if you

were to

actually

immerse

yourself

use it the

actual words and does something in us.

It's God you

you can understand it intellectually.

Cover that, you know

in terms of a protein cap on and really wrap your brain around.

Okay, what is this book.

A lot of those or that's

that now obviously?

I'm sure.

Knowing what I know about you.

You would be opposed to the notion that is rampant Today, and it

may have been rampant for quite a long time.

Perhaps even centuries, but I think today it's likely more rampant than ever that you have

maverick lone wolf people who think they're Christians and who

Think too highly of themselves.

To be under the tutelage under the discipleship under the oversight and

shepherding of faithful pastors under shepherds.

And they like to just read the Bible perhaps on their own or they

Like to just listen to people on the radio and and watch televangelists and so on.

But for the for that person who is a

A person who's being drawn by God who might be listening and When they are home

alone, even though they should be obviously spending time of fellowship a Part of the week,

especially on the Lord's Day with God's people and Hearing the word preached

when they are home.

What kind of counsel would you give the the new?

Believer or the person that's being drawn About.

Where do I start with this this book or this?

This huge bound -together.

Series of books.

66 books.

Where do I start?

Should I just start?

Genesis 1 and keep reading until I'm the end of Revelation.

Should I read a little bit of the Old Testament a little bit of the new.

Were your recommendations about that kind of thing?

Sure, so you

actually

asked me two

questions and I

want to figure

out which

one I want to hit

how to apply them.

And you know in

my personal

opinion, I

would

not

suggest

error.

We

want to

meet

Jesus.

He's the one that we encounter.

He's the one who were in the New Testament, you know.

He's turned the gospel of John even, you know starting a gospel and

study and get to know with that book.

Lord willing you have a whole lifetime to read the entire Bible once you have a handle on the New Testament.

Then my goodness the Old Testament just comes alive in a way that you've never.

I would definitely Suggest start down and taking

your time and just read

certainly ways I think to get into that some people start in a doctrinal book like Romans.

But I think just started that the Lord would give you guidance and understanding and

he will help you.

He's able to help you and then in the book.

I also offer.

Well, I'm gonna ask a listener question and then I'm gonna have you answer it when we come back from our first station

break.

We have a first -time questioner Micah from who is a student at the

Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky and Micah says I have a

question about the American Puritans book.

What would Nate say the difference is between the English Puritans and American

Puritans?

Especially considering that the Puritan movement was specifically a movement regarding the Church of England and

What he say the Puritan movement was a success or failure since the church was not

reformed.

Interesting and of course Puritans were kicked out of Church of England, but

we're going to have you Respond to Micah's questions when we come back from our break.

And if anybody else wants to get in line, we do have some people forming a line here To have their

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Orms.

And if you just tuned us in our guest for the first hour is Nate Pikowicz and we are discussing

his latest book How to eat your Bible a simple approach to learning and loving the Word of

God.

And Before the break we received a question from Micah who

is a student at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky

and Micah asked.

I have a question about The American Puritans.

What would Nate say the differences between the English Puritans and the American Puritans?

Especially considering that the Puritan movement was specifically a movement regarding the Church of England.

Well, let's ask the second one after you finish responding to that.

His

second

question was and would you say that the

Puritan movement was a success or failure since the church and.

He's speaking of the Church of England was not reformed.

Of course, we don't want to trash the entire Church of

England because in spite of the aberrant elements in it still to

this day where you have The Oxford movement, which is very Romish and

really you could barely tell the difference between them and Roman Catholics because the

only thing that you would notice is that they don't believe in the primacy of the Pope and Then you have on the other

end just total leftist apostates who are denying the

pillars of Christianity and Supporting homosexuality even amongst the

so -called clergy and promoting abortion and all kinds of Horrendous and demonic things so

that there is still a solidly reformed element Within the Church of England and

there are many great heroes who gave their lives in the Church of England as well.

In actuality, he's actually won a book for free.

Thanks to the generosity of Moody Publishers and also thanks to the generosity of

Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service CVBBS .com who actually be shipping the book out

to Micah.

So Micah you're going to have to give us your full mailing address.

Your full name and full mailing address so that CVBBS .com can ship out a

copy of how to eat your Bible to you and Thanks for job and by the way, you're also going to

get since you're a first -time questioner you're also going to get a free New American Standard Bible, which obviously our guest

Nate pickowitz enjoys and see participated in our ads promoting

the NASB, so Thank you very much for listening and joining our

program today with a great couple of questions there.

We have another listener Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina and

Grady actually happens to be a faithful listener of iron sharpens on radio and a faithful

financial supporter of this program as well and I have to enlarge

Grady's email because the font is microscopic So I can't read it and I'm

doing that now and Grady says Greetings brothers Chris and Nate what Bible

reference tools do you recommend in Bible study?

Thanks,

Grady.

Make

sure

we

have

your

full

mailing

address

there

in.

Asheboro, North Carolina.

You've also won a free copy of how to eat your Bible compliments of moody publishers and also Compliments of

CVBBS .com.

We'll be shipping that out to you.

We have John and Bangor, Maine.

How close is Bangor, Maine to Gilmanton Ironworks, New Hampshire.

John and Bangor, Maine.

Asks, do you think that the more?

Hungry reader who picks up the Bible especially if they are a new believer has to be careful of

biting off More than he can chew by reading too lengthy of a portion of the

Bible as a regular habit.

Which probably will not enable to him to retain what he is reading.

That's certainly possible.

I would

definitely

tease out

the

meaning.

Certainly a

danger.

But I think you just have to know yourself and know where you are.

And John you've also won

how to eat your Bible.

So make sure we have your full mailing address and Bangor, Maine and CVBBS .com will ship that out to

you.

We have Harrison and Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania.

Who.

In fact you've just said something that is connected to his question.

He said there seems to be great disagreement amongst pastors and Christians in general

over expository preaching and topical preaching.

There are some who are promoting expository preaching that seem to never

Want to be involved in topical preaching unless it's perhaps on Christmas and Easter or

some special event like that.

And then you have others That are only involved in topical preaching and not necessarily

because they're exposed to expository preaching.

But it may be just easier for them or something that appeals To them more than expository

preaching.

Can we not find a balance and do both?

I think

there's

it's a

good

quote.

The whole

Bible

has

to

say

yeah, we who

are

reformed.

Love the phrase the whole counsel of God and We typically want that

incorporated in the life of the preaching and teaching ministry of the churches to hear

and learn and absorb the whole counsel of God and that is more

likely going to occur with expository preaching and.

Also, wouldn't you say that it's going to offer?

Fewer occasions for hobby horses, although if somebody really wants to hobby horse, even if they're doing expository

preaching They can do a lot of ice of Jesus but sure.

Yeah, I

think you

know

running

commentary and

just

sort of

talking

as you're

going.

And you've

also won

a free

copy of how to.

Eat the Bible make sure we have your full mailing address and we have Bobby in Hartsdale, New

York and he says I know that there is a danger of

developing new novel ideas that no one in church history has ever believed

or uttered and To follow teachers that claim to have made those discoveries

and to teach them Should be viewed with great suspicion, but at the same time, I think there's a polar

opposite problem as well Where people are terrified to be true

enthusiastic and investigative.

Bereans, how do we get the balance with those two?

Yes, and I'm sure you would agree with this as well since you wrote why we are Protestant and

especially because you are.

But there is a lot of lying going on out there either by people who

are Consciously lying or they're just ignorant of the facts of history.

But I'm speaking specifically of many Roman Catholic apologists or just Roman Catholic laymen who

repeat what they are hearing that the Reformers Did that very thing that we

are warning against they.

Are they that they will claim that the Reformers?

Came up with new ideas That were never heard or taught or

believed by Christians During the entire patristic era and up until

the 16th century.

And this is just totally false, isn't it?

Yeah,

it's

interesting.

Well,

we

are now out

of books, but

we thank

you.

Listener you have won the the final book that we have to give away how to eat your Bible

and make sure we have your full mailing address so it could be shipped out to you and we do have a

Comment not a question from a first -time perhaps listener or responder

Terry who lives in Wilbridge, Ohio.

Who says just a note to say how blessed I was to be standing next to you at the Shepherds conference in

2017 when you handed your recently authored Puritan book to Ian Murray.

Precious moment.

Well, thank you Terry.

And although we don't have a copy of Nate's book to give you since you are a first -time

Commentator I guess I could shit I could say.

We'll send you out at a free New American Standard Bible if you give us your full mailing address in, Ohio.

Well, we are out of time Nate and I want to make sure that we have

your your church website given so that our listeners can visit there if.

Especially if they live in the Gilman's and ironworks, New Hampshire, or if they're visiting their

Hbc -nh .org Hbc -nh .org and if you're interested in

Purchasing the book that we are addressing.

It's published by moody publishers, but you can get it at CV BBS calm cover one Valley Bible book service CV

BBS calm.

And they definitely want to have you and Dustin banj on To discuss the American Puritans.

And I hope the next time you're on we can be have you on for the full two hours.

That'd be great.

Chris, thank you so much and we're going to our.

Midway break right now folks.

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Good evening.

It's great to have you back James.

And if you could before we go on to our main topic today Just give a very brief summary of the book that you have

written for solid ground Christian books.

Yeah,

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Well, this is a Topic that we are addressing today.

Mary Alatree that is near and dear to my heart because I was rescued

by the grace and mercy of Our Lord God Savior and King Jesus Christ

out from the false religion of Roman Catholicism back in the 1980s and Had

been a witness firsthand to people who are so deceived and to this

idolatrous Practice and belief system that

involves the Saints and relics and statues and paintings and icons and objects

and first and foremost among those idols that Roman

Catholics are prone to worship in spite of the fact that they insist they are not worshiping

these People or objects they certainly are whether they they admit it or not or

whether they realize it or not but the chief among those

People who is the actual dear saint and Sister in Christ

now in eternity with Christ Mary his his mother Jesus Christ mother but if she has become an

idol to many tragically, but First of all, if you could define Mary Alatree.

Now, of

course

as I

said

before

they

would

they

would deny

that.

But what what is being done?

By Faithful Roman Catholics.

And when I say faithful, I don't mean faithful to the scriptures or faithful to Christ.

But I mean faithful to their dogma.

What are Roman Catholics doing That makes their devotion to

Mary and the Saints and the objects cross a line

into actual worship.

You will have Folks like Patrick Madrid a very well -known Roman

Catholic apologist who will say that if we

Love our spouses or our children or our grandchildren or anyone in our family and we carry

photographs of them in our wallets or wherever we carry things

And we look at these Photographs adoringly and even bring them to our lips and kiss them when

we miss these people that these photographs Depict.

We should have we should be in no place to criticize Catholics for the devotion that they have.

That's I think a very disingenuous and deceptive argument because mr Madrid knows

that there's a lot more going on with the devotion.

The excessive devotion that we would call that you and I would call worship of Mary and the

Saints and of relics and objects.

That there's far more than your average person Who carries a memento or a photograph of a

loved one?

But what was going on in your opinion that makes or from your knowledge of the scriptures and of

Roman Catholicism?

What what is going on that makes these people?

Guilty of idolatry and of worshiping.

People

and

things

other

than

God

before

you

even do

that.

Why

don't

you

tell us?

How you even got involved in this specific study of Mary.

Allot tree.

Would

you

say

from

your

experience

that

there

are

certain?

Nationalities and ethnic groups that are more prone to the more extreme

forms of Mary allot tree.

Obviously all of it is Heretical and an offense to

God no matter how mild it may see it may seem.

But what are the Hispanic cultures.

And especially perhaps in The Central and South America or

maybe even places like Puerto Rico.

And perhaps even The Italian culture and some of those

Areas, are they more?

Prone to the extreme.

Forms of more blatant worship than let's say.

Your your Irish Catholics and

those from Poland

who are Roman

Catholic

and so

on

that the black

Madonna.

Fascinating and I have heard of this strange phenomenon of Muslims

showing up at the same sites where alleged Marian Apparitions have

occurred and the one of the reasons why it to me is fascinating and bizarre is

that Islam and Muslims Seem to

be hyper sensitive And would even

categorize your your average born -again Evangelical Protestant

Christian as an idolater for the devotion that we Have towards Jesus

Christ.

They would actually consider that shirk, which is the most

Blasphemous sin that most evil sin that a human being can commit.

Giving they would call it giving partners to God Making someone

equal with God as we believe Jesus is equal with the Father and the Son because they are all God

but Knowing that that they would be giving any kind of devotion to Mary.

I mean, it's and it's also ironic since the Quran itself It never mentions

the Trinity but it prohibits a Belief

in the three Which would in their? Minds proving the

that the Quran was not inspired by God because it falsely defines the Trinity even though as I said It

doesn't use the name Trinity or the word But as the the father the the son and Mary.

So it's that's why it's it's quite strange that they would have any kind of devotion to Mary

other than the kind of.

Honor that a Protestant would have for her.

But if you could explain

that what are

they actually doing?

The Muslim when when they are Making a pilgrimage to some.

Quote quote holy site.

What are they doing in relationship to Mary physically and mentally and so on?

Now if you could tell our listeners the exact title of your doctoral dissertation that you did on this subject

and what exactly Did you do to educate yourself and prepare yourself and equip

yourself?

To write this dissertation on this subject.

In

fact,

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our

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now.

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Is an interview with James Fryer who is an author and Marian apparition researcher and

we are discussing global studies on Mariola tree and its implication on Implications on

missions and our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

Chris Arnson at gmail .com and we have Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania.

Who asked have you found in your studies of? Mariola tree and the people who are

predominantly guilty of that practice and belief system that they

actually make Jesus Christ out to be less tender and Merciful

and loving and graceful and Approachable than Mary.

They seem to act as if that Mary is the go -between between

Jesus and God or the mediator.

What are your thoughts on that?

Joseph in South Central, Pennsylvania who said you said earlier that you believe at least

some of these apparitions or manifestations of.

Something.

Masquerading as Mary are actually demonic.

Are there any that you know of that are actually just frauds and the

concoctions of charlatans who have staged these things.

Or are all the prominent ones, you know of in your opinion actually demonic

and from the spirit realm and actually manifesting and performing

Dark and satanic miracles.

Yes,

and.

My own understanding of this subject.

I haven't obviously done the exhaustive research that you have done but I understand that

even Roman Catholics are Divided over what they would consider

bonafide genuine apparitions of Mary whereas Universally, it seems

all faithful Roman Catholics have a very high view of the Fatima

apparitions.

The Medjugorje apparitions in Yugoslavia are more

Hotly debated.

In fact, I I know some Traditionalist Roman Catholics that

would be more prone to Exclusive Latin right mass and so on.

That believe actually believe that the Medjugorje apparitions are demonic and I think that the

bishop of Medjugorje at least in the in the past and for many years has opposed

the apparitions there.

Have you seen that there is a Division that I've just mentioned.

Yes,

and

we

have.

Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island who says.

I know that you are a friend and a speaking to me here I know that you are a friend of Ken samples

who co -authored the book the cult of the Virgin Catholic Mariology and the apparitions of Mary

and you have interviewed him on that subject.

I was wondering if your guest James Fryer was aware of this book.

Yeah, and

it's interesting.

When I've had conversations with Catholics about it there have been some who get highly offended

and they They are highly offended by the title of the book.

How dare he call it the cult of the Virgin.

Why does he have to be so offensive?

And I said, well, did you know that there's a Roman Catholic term?

It's actually a Term right out of the Vatican that they call the devotion to marry the cult of the Virgin.

So that's that's an interesting fact that a lot of people might not realize.

Ken samples and his co -author the late Elliott Miller.

We're not seeking to just to be A

Harshly insulting by that title.

It just happens to be a Roman Catholic phrase that is a large place in

history and the devotion of Mary, but I want you James in

the last few minutes of the show just basically to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners and obviously

sometime in the future we've got to have you back on for the full two hours because the time goes by too quickly to

To try to tackle a subject so deep.

Amen.

Well,

we're

out

of

time

and I

want

to

make

sure

that

our

listeners are

reminded

that

if

they

want

to

get.

The book that we mentioned that is not about our subject today.

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We're out of time and I want to remind everybody listening.

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