Dead Men Walking Podcast: Tech Censorship and why it's not biblical

What are we talking about tonight there Jay? Yeah so this was something that has been happening lately.

I think this has been happening for a while but I think about a year ago people probably started talking about a little bit more would you say?

Yeah yeah probably within the last year, year and a half for sure. Yeah so the the conversation is going to go towards big tech censorship and suppression.

Yeah which is happening a lot. It is. We're seeing it more and more for we definitely are and you know it's it's like you you see a president of the

United States get kicked off of a platform and which you know it's you can still argue the point and we are probably going to get into this a little bit.

Okay. Google, Facebook, Twitter are still private companies right?

Sure. So for them to kick someone off of their platform is.

But are they though? That's the question too. Yeah yeah yeah. But are they, should they be? Right and that's the that's the that's the issue because.

Because utility companies aren't private. Exactly. They're quasi private public. Yeah yeah. We go everyone needs water, everyone needs

LP gas, everyone needs electricity. Yeah. So we have regulated, the government has regulated those private industries to make them private public.

There's an argument to be made that maybe the internet is the next utility that needs to be public. Yeah yeah.

Because we use it for everything. And that goes into the common carrier law. I don't know. I mean you know from just say

Southwest is just like I don't like the way Greg looks. Right. So he's not going to be able to fly on our plane.

That's happened before. You know and yeah yeah. Aren't you on that list? No I'm joking.

Are you a Christian conservative that believes in life? Yeah right. That believes in life after death.

Get off this plane. Yeah get out of here. But but yeah I mean it you know it's it's getting to that point where is

Facebook something? Because I mean people run their business off of Facebook. I mean they're they're if if people get their livelihood taken away by getting taken off Facebook or getting their their their page suppressed.

I mean this isn't this really not fair you know for one. Because I mean if someone has a view we do have freedom of speech that goes into that.

Correct? Right. So well it's a classic case of having it both ways. So like your Facebook and Instagram and Twitter they'll argue and go look at we're not the publisher like the press.

We're just the platform to let people self -publish. Right. So you can't regulate us. But then they turn around and then they'll censor and suppress and shadow ban and regulate the speech that's on the platform.

So it's like well which one is it? Because if you're regulating the platform then you're saying you have some type of control over it.

Right. Which then puts you into the press category like a free press. Right. If you're not and you're just the publisher of it then and you're not creating the content then you don't you don't get to regulate.

Yeah. So it's like they're kind of in this quasi state right now where they're having the best of both worlds. Hey man we just create a platform people self -publish but we also want to pick and choose what can be what what can be said and what can't be said.

Right. And we're seeing this oh my gosh like especially in the last two years for sure. And it's pretty one directional.

Yeah. There's been a lot of even and here's the thing this should worry Christians and believers but it's worrying non -Christians.

It's it's worrying the people that are out in the secular culture. You go to you know Adam Carolla podcast or you go to Joe Rogan podcast or you go to Tim Dillon or all these other guys that are not believers and pretty carnal and depraved.

And they can even see with the moral code that's been written on their conscious by God that this is some type of suppression.

Yeah. And even guys like Rogan and Dillon who aren't necessarily conservative can see that it's happening in one direction.

That's the real crazy thing. Yeah. Is if you talk about God and we'll get to some of these examples later if you're talking about God if you're talking about the sin of homosexuality if you're talking about abortion and every preborn baby having a right to life those things are all getting shadow banned suppressed and censored.

Right. Yet you have vitriol from mostly the progressive left that are espousing these anti -biblical unscientific crazy hateful speech and it just goes without a pass.

Yeah. And we have to submit to what they're saying you know.

Right. It is what they want. And if you have a different point of view then you're the bad guy.

You're the one making things difficult in this world. You're the one that is you know putting them putting people in harm's way by talking about it.

It's like you know what I think I think there have been plenty of times in history where someone said something crazy.

Right. Right. Yeah. Whether in the press I'm sure I've said something crazy on this podcast and people are just like what he said what.

But. Oh we delete it we take it. Right. They will never hear it Jason. Yeah. No. But I'm just saying

I mean like you know there is a line that is crossed where we have to have some kind of regulation for sure.

Right. I don't know. I haven't really honestly thought about the the the extremely big topic of freedom of speech.

You know I mean like because I mean it is broad. I mean you know like you could go down so many rabbit holes.

But if you're just sticking to you know freedom of speech I believe everyone that has an opinion about something should be able to share that opinion on their page on Facebook you know or or Twitter or wherever it is.

And as long as it's not so crazy you know it's like I think that there stands a you know a safeguard there for them with freedom of speech.

Right. That's a good point though. So what is so crazy though. So even you preference that with even if it's not so crazy.

So that so that's the point is like there's a gray area where you even said even if it's so crazy.

So what does that mean to you. Like what is so crazy mean. Yeah. To where they're saying hey we're saying things that I wouldn't say on this podcast.

Right. I know. Or in life probably. But you see the problem because big tech comes back

Twitter Instagram Facebook whatever and they're like well we think it's so crazy if someone says that marriage is between a man and a woman.

Right. Right. Right. That if you post America America God shed his grace on the trailer about a hymn we're going to pull it.

Right. And that's actually an example that we had it was a trailer for a documentary earlier last year and a

Google spokesperson said oh well it didn't meet our sensitive events policy designed to protect users from harmful advertising.

And they were in the you know the public was like what are you talking about. Yeah. And after pushback after a couple million people you know tweeted and retweeted and outrageous said oh we enforce our policies consistently regardless of political or religious affiliation.

But we're sorry about this one. This one got mislabeled. And it's like so that's what we're up against is they continually take a foot and then give four inches back.

Right. It's whoops we're sorry. It's been hard watching you know people online that have actual data about this pandemic and even doctors that want to talk about it that are being shadow ban suppressed.

You can't say certain things unless Fauci said it. You know even on even on our podcast

I think we may have even crossed their line. I mean I don't know if you remember but a few months ago

I mean we were getting thousands of views on our Facebook page you know thousands of you know likes on a few of our posts.

I mean maybe not every time or whatever but there were at least that many people seeing it.

Right. And it's dropped probably 60 or 70 percent in the last few months. At least because we talked about CRT.

We talked about critical race theory. We talked about vaccine stuff.

COVID stuff. Pandemic stuff. And even Trump stuff. Yeah. I think we have you know just I mean you can't talk about certain events within an election without bringing up both parties that are involved in the election.

So for us honestly on Facebook I think it's just going to take a people with a vendetta to label it as hate speech because I've got warnings from Facebook.

Hey this doesn't go with our community guidelines. You keep doing this. We're going to take action. And I think they take that algorithm they take action instantly.

They shadow ban. So you know you have whatever 2 ,000, 5 ,000, 10 ,000 people on your

Facebook page and maybe the normal algorithm and these are all kind of close numbers no one really knows but maybe 20 percent of your people see your posts.

Gotcha. So if you have 10 ,000 people only 2 ,000 people are seeing those. Yeah. Right. Yeah. They automatically do that right from the top from everyone because they want you to pay to boost the ad.

Right. To see your own followers. Right. Which is insanity. Yeah. That changed I don't know six or eight years ago a while ago.

When you start getting warnings they shadow ban. So they will and for anyone who's not familiar with that term just means that they they won't ban you or stop you from posting but it's a shadow ban meaning they just won't push it out to followers and other people.

Yeah. So you you're posting you're posting for yourself no one's seeing it or a very very very small amount of people are seeing it.

So when we had posts going from two to five thousand likes down to you know two two hundred to two hundred fifty likes.

Or even two or three likes. Oh some of the times the more controversial ones get very very few.

Right. And that's what I think most people are upset about is there's no rhyme or reason to it. It's covered before in public and on podcasts and in the news a little bit but not by mainstream.

Yeah. But even Jack Dorsey who's the you know CEO of Twitter came out and was like yeah we just basically have an algorithm and then it's me it's it's up to the it gets flagged but it's up to the personal employee of Twitter to ban it or not.

Right. Yeah. That's insanity to me there's like no it's just that person sees it goes oh yeah you know

I don't believe in reform theology I don't believe in that marriages between a man and a woman or I do believe that a woman has a right to choose band.

Right. And now we've gotten and I'm just using those examples but other things have been. But it's probably happened in that.

Oh absolutely. You know. So then you just have one single person at a large corporation who doesn't like it gets offended or doesn't doesn't agree religiously or politically with the post and then bans it.

Right. And I know that some of our friends in the podcast community as well as in the reform community that do this kind of stuff they've reached out to us and said have you guys been seeing some issues and this and that and even posted about it.

Hey you know we're not getting the views or the interaction that we used to get and we haven't changed anything.

Yeah. Content's the same posting hours the same how much content the places they're posting it and then you see a dramatic shift.

Dramatic. And most Americans are apathetic about this. They're like they don't care they're like just you know as long as I can see my news sources and hit a couple friends and get a couple likes on a funny meme like.

Right. No one I don't say no one. Very few people but I think it's growing understand the consequences of when you have basically state -ran media and private -ran media coming together to censor certain things.

Yeah and it's and it's hard to watch that's for sure. Do you want to turn to Titus 1 10 through 11.

You got it pulled up there. Sure. If you're watching the live video Titus chapter 1 verses 10 through 11.

For there are many who are insubordinate empty talkers and deceivers especially those of the circumcision party they must be silenced since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for shameful gain what they ought not to teach.

Yeah and this is a great verse now clearly in context he's talking about the issues that were going on with the

Gentiles and the Jews right but I think this verse helps us kind of encapsulate the bigger issue that's going on now the word of God is timeless right.

Yeah. So we don't ever want to take Titus 1 10 and 11 and go see they're talking exactly about tech censorship and Christians being censored.

No absolutely not because that wasn't around back then and of course we know that but he's making a broader point here that there are many who are insubordinate empty talkers and deceivers especially those of the circumcision party even though even the people that you think you trust he's saying even the fellow

Jews of the circumcision party that are deceivers and empty talkers and they must be silenced they are upsetting whole families by teaching for shameful gain.

And look that's part of that's part of Facebook right there and that's part of social media where people are passing around some crazy story you know from a news outlet that no one's really heard of and I mean to be honest

I sift through a lot of different stories even if Ben Shapiro Newsmax whoever it is you know

I mean even even the dreadful CNN if they say something and it sounds interesting

I will make sure that story is a good story to bring up on Newsy News before I just throw it in there right.

So yeah I mean empty talkers and deceivers I mean you know there's there's plenty of that going on I mean satire is viewed you know there's so many people that used to send

Babylon B stuff to me and I was just like you guys this is satire this is fun they're just having fun or you would be having a conversation with someone they'd be like did you hear you know and they bring up a

Babylon B story you're just like oh my gosh. It's kind of crazy though because like Babylon B is now like conspiracy theory and Babylon B is like they're merging together.

Yeah yeah but it's not the B it's yeah yeah well it's like they they predicted the future on a lot of stuff right

I think if you go to their website they have a whole section where they did satire and then the satire came true like what the heck.

It seems like you told me about that I forgot about that. Yeah yeah the one I like that I think really kind of puts us in the right mind to talk about this is

Romans 1 18. Yeah. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness

I think we're seeing the wrath of God right now and unrighteousness of men who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.

Yeah. So the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who by their own unrighteousness the depravity of men suppress the truth.

Yeah. And I think that's what's happening here is they're not preaching against the truth which they are in some aspects when they're that far gone but they're suppressing it they're going

I don't want to talk about it I don't want to know about it nope this is what I think is the truth we're going to suppress it push it down you know call good evil call good evil evil good put it in the dark and this is the this is the new enlightenment this is the new truth and I think the main way that you do that right now is through tech.

Yeah. I mean everyone's phone is an extension of their body. Right. My wife just went to a conference homeschool conference she was gone for three days and she came back and she said

I heard this talk and I don't know who it was by and I can get it for anyone who wants to know just let me know but it was just about the scientific data which is now seven years old it was from 2013 the scientific data showing how the brain chemistry in children is changed when they have devices video games tablets phones in their hand and they're using them yeah it actually rewires the synapses on how you learn your attention all these different things and it's just amazing that you know apple goes oh we'll take care of you we'll just put a little app in there that says how long you've been on your phone well geez have you ever checked that it's sometimes can be depressing yeah right it's like oh you average six hours a day on your phone you know whatever and some people can hey you work from it you got to do that kind of stuff

I work from my phone and my tablet I get it but at the same time it's like how is that changing us yeah when we're supposed to be conformed into the glory of God we're being conformed into the secular culture yeah you know and so if everyone has an extension of their body the phone in their hand the best way to suppress truth in unrighteousness is through tech right is through social media is through news sources is through videos right it makes me think of e wall e wally or wally well remember that movie wally yeah yeah yeah where everybody's like sitting in a chair and the chair floats and they're all like really big and they're just super lazy you know like I think

I think tech could be such a great thing I mean you can use this computer to do so many different things use the phone for so many different things but what do most people use it for look up cat videos no

I'm joking you know something yeah yeah memes or whatever you know but then again you can learn a lot of theology from memes guys so don't forget that I wonder if like if if there was like a group of people sitting in a room that were like hey we got this internet thing coming out and it's going to be awesome to indoctrinate the masses yeah there was one guy that raised his hand and he was like yeah but Christians will be able to use it too and be able to preach the gospel with it and the rest of the group was just like nah we can count on them just to you know not some will use it but the masses will love to be distracted from everyday life and I feel like yes the internet can be used for good but I think sometimes we're like failing yeah oh yeah drastically at it that's why when we look at guys like what they're doing at like lore tv

I know we've had them on the podcast a few times Marcus and stuff like that they're like no we're going to use technology to not only advance the kingdom but to almost like put it in the face of the secularist and be like no you don't own art you don't own the medium you don't own technology uh actually

Christ does and he's ruling and reigning over it and we're going to use it for God's glory yeah you know um but yeah going back to Romans 1 18 it's like that's exactly what they're doing man they're suppressing the truth well do you want to go to second

Corinthians 4 4 do it um what do you got second Corinthians 4 4 in their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ who is the image of God wow yeah that's heavy

I mean that that verse is it's it's spot on you know so for those listening to if you read that it's god lowercase g of this world yeah referring to the principalities of this heir satan lucifer um and he's saying is keeping them blind in their minds of the unbelievers to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel the glory of Christ who is the image of God have you ever had a discussion with someone and they just they're so blinded to just a simple truth yeah that it's almost just like you're hitting you're banging your head against the wall yeah and and my wife and I have this conversation often we're like how can someone be that an arminian whoever's out there we love you how can they believe in autonomous free will hey guys just joking guys but are we no i'm joking um but yeah no yeah no i get it we have this conversation of like like how can people be so blinded to such a simple truth that seems so clear that seems so uh crystal clear to us and you know my wife said one time she goes well they're blinded to the truth the ruler of this air by their own sin by their you know own depravity and you're just like oh that's what it means a veil over your eye that's what it means when you can't even see a simple truth in front of you and you know to me i go that's so simple and then the lord reminds me well it wasn't simple before you knew me is not the truth before i regenerated you before uh my my grace saved you like lest you forget like everyone else out there don't don't sit on some type of uh podium you know uh some pedestal excuse me and just how how can they not know they're so you know ignorant it's like yeah they are ignorant and so were you right before christ yep uh and that's part of the enlightenment of christ too well that sounded a little new agey sorry steve bankers if you're listening sorry steve the enlightenment of christ yeah you know being enlightened in the way of being light you know what i mean bringing us into that marvelous light yeah what i meant for sure yeah man i mean i i think that as we move along into the future i truly do believe that there is going to be something that happens to where we can actually uh well let me let me i'm trying to figure out the way to the right way to say this because okay there are countries that cannot even get a bible now yeah you know the the somebody will be thrown in jail for nine years i remember hearing about one guy having one page of bible and it's so sad and and you really think to yourself like where are we headed you know and uh and even myself being uh optimistic i'm ill post mill whatever i am um i'll i'll i'll land in both camps not dispensational yeah not not dispensational but but you know what man like it does make you wonder where the future is headed and how we are going to be able to keep uh even a bible in our home because what what is going to be taken from us once our freedom is taken from us you know and that's uh what is kind of happening right now like we're in this in -between stage where it's like you know like the next 10 years what if it what if if it did get worse how do we have the word of god in front of us you know is it even going to be allowed on the internet you know is are they going to come to our homes and have sniffing dogs that smell the leather in the pages and pull them from our home you know are we going to have to have thumb drives that are undetected to be able to read the word well that's happening in other countries right now right yeah is that going to end up here are there going to be sections of the bible taken out because it's not inclusive enough and it's like i think that's our that that is where we're headed yeah things keep going the way that they're going um here's and that's why we need to speak up oh no absolutely i think that's why we talk about the covid stuff yeah vaccine passport stuff like people like oh just don't be silent just love your neighbor and get your vaccine and it's like okay there's a greater push behind that though when you're talking about vaccine passports and you're talking about showing your papers yeah to see if you can go into a marketplace which is on the table right now yeah that's what they're talking about okay california just passed their law for their state workers that said they have to be vaccinated if they want to come into work all government workers okay they have a bill in california right now that's saying for the public if you want to go into any major grocery store you can go into a little mom and pop one if you want but if you want to go into a walmart a target right a kroger the big one you have to be vaccinated they're going to pass that law in california yeah yeah so you're going to relegate certain people to certain stores other people to other stores all in the name of health and science which we know neither is true right because the scientific data just doesn't back up but that's why we talk about these things because it is going to affect the church yeah it whether your eschatology says the vaccine is the mark of the beast and you can't get it injected or you say it's the spirit of the antichrist and this is uh you know just another thing that either lends us to trust christ or to trust man whatever that eschatology is at the end of the day it's still going to put christians and true believers in a place to make a choice and go okay am i going to trust in the and in man basically the 666 the mark of man or am i going to trust in god who provides for sparrows so he's going to provide for me every day yeah and i think that's where it even says you know and we're not this is an eschatology episode but when people say oh man it's a it's an actual mark on your wrist or forehead i don't know man i think that's that's pretty straightforward most people would go no it says in revelation that if even the elect were not elect they would be fooled by how how sneaky this is going to be yeah how it's going to slip in on safety and security and world peace and love your neighbor and aren't we seeing that right now well jay cameron brought up a lot of really good points in his yeah go back and listen to that episode yeah that we that we did with him about a month ago i mean all about everything that was happening in canada and i i'm pretty sure you or him said something about canada usually being four or five years ahead of um and socially just socially a little more progressive right so like you know as it comes south down into america i mean you know we are going to have the same type of things happening happening here unless the church speaks up and this is not you know i'm not talking about uh physically hurting people whatsoever um if there is any uh censorship police out there listening to this i'm just saying like go to your local uh administration and the local governments and go to the go to the senators go to whoever go to greg you know like i mean seriously get out here and and say something if there is something that that you really feel strongly about i mean i i you know my my wife um with the mask mandates for children in schools i mean you know she uh is a part of a group that is fighting against that and um you know and whichever side you're on that's great okay but uh my wife is really you know trying to fight that fight sure you know with others that truly do uh feel a certain way about the mask mandates so well i think children i think you brought up a good point too you said oh we need to you know like stand up and fight and and push back against this and i think you're highlighting you know a great example of well if we're censored on big tech then how do you do that well that's why we have to do what's biblical people are like what man i post a christian meme once a week and right i say i have thoughts and prayers to my friends and they all know that i'm a christian and it's like well if that's taken away from you then what's left well that's why the bible says one -on -one discipleship and preaching the gospel to the people is so important yeah like we're not gonna we we've had it good for 10 12 years as christians on social media it's not gonna be that way for very long like i'm just looking at it and i just know if things keep going the way that they're going you will not be able to post certain things right without it being fully censored so if i have a facebook you know ministry as i like to say what i get on there and post a scripture verse or ask a question or say something theological about someone it's like no man that's not ministry that's like who are you discipling right who are you bringing alongside of you and holding accountable and who's holding you accountable who are you um counseling and and and being accountable to in the actual physical church yeah the gathering of the saints that's why this whole thing with not being able to gather is such a big deal to us because biblically the bible commands us to gather commands us to disciple commands us to do all these things in person not on social media not like posting a verse every once in a while right or you know a little quip or a quote yeah like that could be taken away tomorrow right and it might be we don't know the way it's going so i think your point is valid in in like yeah we have to stand up and push back against this not only from the legislative side and the political side but also understand that uh us being christians isn't us being christians on facebook yeah it's as we go out into the world jesus didn't say as you go on social media make sure you post something nice about me right every couple days right uh and do your little facebook ministry yeah and i'm not trying to downplay yeah and we're not following on facebook or anything like that and it's good to you know have good exhortation out there online oh 100 identifying the body and stuff but again but i'm talking you're talking everyday christian who's just kind of like well you know people kind of know i know jesus i post some positive things online and that's my uh you know ministry or how i'm uh evangelizing it's like dude that could be that that could be gone tomorrow right like what they can't take from you or they can but that's farther down the road is you going possibly is discipling other people preaching the gospel we see even that under fire as well too yeah and home church is being uh invaded you know and broken up oh for sure and uh yeah but uh yeah you want to want to wrap it up here you got some more actually you got some more verses i got a couple more verses here and this one i really like uh just because i love proverbs but it's so encouraging to me so we talk about all this stuff and we go oh my gosh you know big tent big tech is censoring all these people they're censoring christians they're censoring conservatives um and it's not just necessarily that we're sitting here and going conservatism is the only way or we're being political it's just that conservatism lines up mostly with what's biblical for the most part okay there's crony capitalism and there are all these other things within conservatism that is wretched and i get it but when you're talking about nuclear family uh identifying that there's a creator and there's there's one creator and it's god alone limited government focus on family and education these are all conservative principles that the bible preaches right they are specifically and we said this at the top of the show they're specifically aiming for those type of principles biblical principles so proverbs 423 is always an encouragement for me which says keep your heart with all vigilance for from it flows the spring of life so when we have been redeemed by christ our heart has springs of life flowing from it so keep vigilant yeah keep the fight vigilant yeah um don't be discouraged when that thing gets shadow banned or taken down um get righteously angry yeah get righteously upset about it um but i would also say don't rely on your meme that gets banned because it's hate speech that's your ministry as well too or that's that's you're so upset dude go out into the streets the highways and the byways as you go into the marketplace as you go into your work as you go and enjoy nature with your family all those different things that we do that that is where we preach christ crucified yeah and risen yeah you know so i think our paradigm needs to shift a little bit yes we need and i'm in that too i'm writing resolutions right now in monroe county that are going to help fight some of these things so i'm doing it legislatively but um you know we can't be discouraged we have to keep vigilant and understand that social media is not the be -all and say -all for our faith right and and i mean you know think about it i think it was it might have been doug wilson uh who i always have a quote from or or someone uh you know uh from toby or whoever it is but uh you know what is christ doing right now he's sitting at the right hand of the father you know like ruining and raining he's just he's just sitting there right like i mean he's he's very comfortable in that in that uh that seat and you know like like why are we sometimes so just like oh my gosh did you hear about what happened or like you know some some get online and they gotta write this super long post and make sure everybody knows what they're thinking about and you know what like some of it can be very great some some of it but like watch watch yourself online sometimes like what you're saying and um and and even you know that that goes for us as well on this podcast i mean like you know like we we have to be salt and light when it comes down to it we have to be salt and light but we also carry a sword right like i mean we know how to use it yeah we know how to use it you know and we should know our bible we should know theology it's not a bad thing to know who you serve and why you serve them absolutely you know theology is to know god yeah yeah right yeah we've heard people say oh well i don't really get into end times eschatology and the original hebrew and the greek and i just want to love god and love myself and yeah and show love to other people and it's like you don't know how to love yourself and other people unless you know how to love god first you don't know how to love god unless you know who god is you don't know who god is unless you have sound biblical theology and doctrines yeah yeah amen so it all comes back to that yeah and at the end of the day i would encourage everyone who's listening stay strong in the faith uh be in your word yeah and and don't uh get discouraged when when social media does not become a means to an end anymore because we were never meant for that right we're meant for in person gospel preaching in person fellowship and that's what we're going to continue to do government lets us or not yep amen all right guys thanks for listening and as always god bless 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