March 12, 2024 Show with Dr. Daniel A. Biddle on “The Ark & the Darkness: Unearthing the Mysteries of Noah’s Flood”

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Hope to see you Friday. But I'm very thrilled to have a first -time guest today on Iron Trump and Zion Radio.

His name is Dr. Daniel A. Biddle, president of Genesis Apologetics, and today we're going to be addressing something that is both a book and a soon -to -be -released film in theaters on March 20th and 21st,

The Ark and the Darkness, Unearthing the Mysteries of Noah's Flood. It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Trump and Zion Radio, Dr.

Dan Biddle. Thank you very much for having me. I'm excited to be on your show. Why don't you tell us, our listeners, about Genesis Apologetics?

Yeah, so I'm the president of Genesis Apologetics. We are a student -focused ministry that focuses on equipping students to handle the evolution teaching that they receive through the world, through public school, through museums and the like.

We equip them to understand that the natural reading of the early chapters of Genesis constitute real history, and we give them evidence why evolution isn't true and why creation is.

So most of our resources are free online, and we have a YouTube channel with about 20 million -some views on it and almost 200 ,000 subscribers that enjoy our videos.

Most of our videos are very short, five - to 15 -minute -long videos that provide very compelling evidence of the historicity of Genesis and creation and then show the weaknesses of evolution teaching.

Great. Well, if anybody needs more details about this wonderful ministry, go to GenesisApologetics .com.

Well before we get into a promotion of and an exploration of your book and the movie that's coming out on The Ark and the

Darkness, I would love to hear a summary of your salvation testimony as I informed you before the show.

Whenever we have a first -time guest on Iron Trip and Zion Radio, we have that guest give a summary of how they were saved by the mercy and grace of our

Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, including a background of what kind of religious atmosphere, if any, in which you were raised and what kind of providential circumstances our

Sovereign Lord raised up in your life that drew you to himself and saved you. So let's hear your story. Yeah, gosh, what a great thing that you do with your guests.

So I was raised in a middle -class, suburban type of home here in California with a together home, a mom, dad, and brother, and would occasionally go to church as a

Christian. My mom was probably more into her faith than my dad was at the time, so I would go to church occasionally, maybe

Christmas, Easter, and a few other times. But I didn't receive Christ personally until I went to a junior high ranch camp, kind of a horse camp thing, when

I was 11 years old and heard the message, and Christ compelled me to say the sinner's prayer, and I was regenerate that night.

I do believe that it takes God to know God, and I had my appointment with the Lord that evening, and I was brought to faith in Christ, and it's just been never the same ever since.

I did, however, have a rocky time after that. I was saved at 11 years old at that camp.

I basically came home, and within months of receiving Christ, my parents announced a divorce, and I went kind of wild in my teenage years.

I fell away from Christ and backslid and did the teenage rebellious thing until I was about 17 years old.

I repented of that crazy lifestyle and came back to Christ when I was about 17, and I'd like to think

I'd be locked in with Him ever since, trying to follow His trail for my life.

I got married at age 21. We have four kids now. I've been married over 30 years, and the Lord has really blessed our family.

But one color that I would add to my testimony is that, like many Christians, I wasn't sure what to do with the

Genesis account. I didn't know if it was myth or allegory or which parts should be interpreted in which way—literal history or kind of allegorical—until about 13 years ago or so,

I heard a talk about dinosaurs and man, and I went to the talk as a skeptic. I just couldn't believe that they would let someone in church who would actually have that perspective that dinosaurs lived recently.

But after I attended the talk, I was so shocked by this guy's evidence, and he had lots of it. He had theological arguments for it, and he had science evidence for it.

I took about the next 90 days of my life. I bought thousands of dollars' worth of books and DVDs, and I researched that topic specifically—Noah's

Flood and dinosaurs. I flew to Montana, I flew to Canada, and about halfway through that research journey,

I came to the overwhelming conclusion that Genesis is a real historical narrative.

Dinosaurs did live recently, and they were wiped out in Noah's Flood, and when I went through that experience, for me, it was like being born again and again, and my head and my heart were able to align, and all of the areas that were incongruent with my faith and all the doubts that I had vanished away as I came to Scripture with the humility of a child, and just stood under the authority of Scripture, and then realized and understood that Genesis is a real history book, and for me, it was like a rejuvenating experience.

Well, praise God. And now, tell us about the circumstances that led you to the film that is going to be released in theaters later this month—coming up very shortly, actually, a couple of weeks—and also the companion book,

The Ark and the Darkness, Unearthing the Mysteries of Noah's Flood.

Obviously, as you know, there are not only quite a number of Christian books about the creation story, about many of the stories in the

Old Testament that, tragically, many in the professed church have written off as allegories and fables and myths, but there are still, thank

God, quite a number of creationists who have written books filling the volumes, or filling the space on our library shelves.

We've become very acquainted with many of these brethren who are not only creationists, but young earth creationists, and not only individuals, but quite a number of ministries and organizations who are proclaiming the truth of a young earth.

And so, what dawned on you that said, you know something, in spite of all the information that we already have,

I need to pursue this film and book? You know, that is such a great question, and it really gives us an insight into some nuances of theology that I trust your listeners will follow with this.

But I believe I was called to do this movie in both a general way and in a specific way.

In a general way, the Lord really, you know, we've all heard the statement, Lord, break my heart for what breaks yours.

And when I converted into a creationist about 12 years ago, I attended my son's back to school night for seventh grade back to school at a public school here in California.

And the teacher proceeded to explain how, look, she said, I don't want to offend you if you're Jewish or Catholic or Christian, but we have to teach evolution here in school as part of the state -required curriculum.

But don't worry about it. It's just a couple weeks, and it's not a big deal. And as she was saying that, I was looking at her bookshelf, and she had book after book on evolution, and I was reflecting about how my son said, well,

Dad, all the Christians in her class, in this world history class, are just being formatted like hard drives.

They're writing down all the notes, they're doing all the exercises, and they're clueless as to the lie that they're being taught in this school about evolution.

I got so sick when I was at that school presentation, because God opened my eyes to this treacherous thing that was happening to Christians, that I had to walk home.

I just went up and said to my wife, hey, I'm not feeling well, I had to walk home. And so my heart was broken that night for just mourning for the millions of students across America that are being taught a lie, and they're being taught not only a lie about evolution, they're also being taught that the

Bible is not true. And so that began the journey of our ministry, and when we opened the doors for our ministry, it came out of that.

But then specifically, about two and a half years ago, I had been speaking a lot about Noah's Flood and dinosaurs, and it was a topic that I was very engaged with, and I was speaking about it a lot.

So it was something that was on my forefront of my mind, and I enjoyed the topic, and we had done a video about it that was on YouTube.

But about two and a half years ago, something happened in my life where within a two -month period, I had four major life events happen to me.

I became an empty nester as my last kids went off to college, and that had an emotional hit on me.

I lost my brother from liver disease, he passed away. My mother's cancer came back full -fledged, and she started developing tumors behind her eyes, and I had a really bad case of COVID.

And it was in that dark period of two months when those four things hit me at the same time that I don't know any other way to say it, but the

Lord commissioned me to do this flood film. I had all kinds of things happen in my life, and I won't get into the details because Christians sometimes get a little bit spooked when you say that God can break in and give you assignments.

But I have to honestly say that the Lord broke into my life, and using the means that only

God can do, He made it very clear to me that He wanted me to do this movie. And so I joined with my associate

Ralph Stren from Sevenfold Films, who is equally passionate about the flood, and had just done an award -winning movie on the creation account.

And we began this journey together, and we've poured hundreds of thousands of dollars into it in two and a half years, and thousands of hours collectively into this project, and it's coming out to theaters on March 20th and 21st.

Oh, well, praise God. And I want to, right off the bat here,

I want to give our email address out to our listeners in the event that they would like to submit questions of their own.

Our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail .com.

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USA. Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

That's chrisarnsen at gmail .com. A personal and private matter in this case, because of the topic we are addressing, might be that perhaps you are a member of a church that holds to an old earth position, and you are in disagreement with your own pastors or your own elders, or maybe your own denomination over this, and you'd rather not identify yourself.

Or maybe you're even the pastor yourself, and you disagree perhaps even with your fellow elders and your denomination over something that we are addressing today.

Well, we understand that those would be reasons to remain anonymous, but if you're just asking a general question, please give us your first name, city and state, and country of residence if you live outside of the good old

USA. One thing that I would like to ask you, do you see any evidence at all of representatives of the scientific world, the scientific realm, where even those that do not share our belief in the inerrancy of scriptures, they may not be

Christians, or they may be nominal Christians, or they may be members of different religions, or perhaps they're atheists, agnostics as many scientists are, do you see any significant move away from Darwinian evolution?

The short answer to that is yes. In fact, there is a website, I believe it's called

Darwin Dissenters, where over a thousand Ph .D. level scientists have given their dissent from Darwin's ideas.

So I think there's two things happening right now in science that are absolutely, well, let me make it three things happening in science that are absolutely making the death kneel to evolution theory.

The first would be scientists have now really highlighted and come to grips with the fact that they can't answer the most basic and fundamental question to evolution, which is how did non -living matter become alive?

That's become to the forefront, there are molecular engineers and scientists and organic chemists that are going crazy trying to answer this question right now, and they can't do it, and that's because it's an unanswerable question, because the

Bible's very clear, God did it, and it takes a supernatural miracle to do that. The second thing is that scientists are now understanding what's called epigenetics, which is a system that we have pre -programmed in our

DNA, in our gene code, that allows each animal kind, for example finches or many other different types of animals, to continuously read and track their environment and make adaptations and changes to fit the environment in which they live.

For example, just recently a study came out where they studied over 1 ,000 of quote

Darwin's finches, one of the finch species that Darwin used to espouse his theory of evolution.

They tracked 1 ,000 of them and realized that in just one generation, they can seriously modify their beak shape and size and their feet morphology based upon their diet and their environment in one single generation.

So that finding alone really debunks Darwin's core ideas that evolution happens over millions of years and animals can vertically evolve from one creature to the other, because all they're allowed to do really is change within their kind.

And I think the third death anele that they can't do anything about is dinosaur soft tissue.

If you were to rewind the history reels just 50 years, and I'm not kidding when

I say this, it's going to sound provocative and extreme, but I can back this statement up with mounds of scholarly articles and evidence.

But 50 years ago, here's a statement, 100 % of trained, qualified paleontologists would have said that dinosaur bones are fossilized, hardened, permineralized rocks that are impressions of what used to be bones, but they're now just rocks.

100 % of paleontologists would have said that 50 years ago. Even young earth paleontologists would have said that?

I'm assuming there were some. Certainly not those, but secular paleontologists would definitely have said that.

But clearly the leading prevailing thought in paleontology was that these dinosaur fossils are just rocks.

But now what do we have? In 2024, and again, here's an emphatic statement, 0 of 100 secular trained paleontologists can now make that statement by their own admission, by their own science journals, without even referencing a single creationist journal.

100 out of 100 paleontologists now have to admit, based upon 122 peer -reviewed science journals and secular publications, that dinosaur bones have 16 different varieties of bio -organic tissues still in them that shouldn't be there after millions of years old, but they are.

And it's an ironclad case for both creation and the recent demise and the flood, and it completely debunks the idea that they lived millions of years ago.

Now although I am very opposed, very aggressively so, to the woke movement, and the cancel culture, and all that kind of thing in that realm of leftist ideology,

I am shocked that still, to my knowledge, none of these folks, or at least none of the folks that I'm aware of in the limelight, unless you could correct me, have brought up the fact that Charles Darwin was clearly a racist, and what a lot of people don't know, and it really is frustrating when you hear sometimes on talk shows a dialogue and a disagreement between a liberal and a conservative, perhaps even a conservative

Christian, over the issue of evolution. A lot of times the conservatives don't even bring up this fact, that Darwin's book,

On the Origin of the Species, it was originally titled, the full title, is, or was,

On the Origin of the Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favored Races in the

Struggle for Life. And Hitler and the Nazis made great use of Darwin's book, and of this false science, this fake science, and so on.

Have you heard about any significant number of people starting to rise up and saying, wait a minute, this stuff that we take for granted as fact, this

Darwinian evolution stuff, it's not even a theory in most people's minds when they're talking about it in documentaries and so on, it's a fact.

Is there a significant number or any number of people that you're aware of who are starting to reveal or unveil the fact that this is actually rooted in racism?

You know, yes to both, and the good news is that website

I mentioned is called Dissent from Darwin .org,

and the title of the website is just called A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism, and it's over a thousand scientists who have actually given their video testimony that they no longer believe in Darwin's theory of evolution.

Isn't that incredible? And when you go back and look at Darwin's original work, not only did he teach from a racist standpoint,

I mean, again, just look at the title of his book, as you just mentioned, you know, not only is that true, but if you go back, his works were deeply rooted in the

Nazi movement. A colleague of mine, Dr. Jerry Bergman, who has several PhDs, brilliant guy,

I think he's even in Mensa, he wrote a book connecting Darwinism to the

Nazi movement, and it's really undeniable. From a scholarly perspective, the seeds and the

DNA that infused the Nazi movement was based on Darwin's ideas. So it is a scary thing, but sadly a lot of scientists today, they just try to shuck that underneath the rug there and just focus on well, his ideas were balanced scientifically, and they try to filter out the racist concepts, but they were very much racist ideologies.

By the way, I have interviewed Dr. Jerry Bergman, and you just reminded me

I've got to get him back on the program because it's been eight, no, let's see, how many years?

It's been seven years since I've had him on the program, almost seven years to the day. Had him on in April of 2017, so I got to try to get him back on the program.

If anybody wants to look up that interview that we did on how Darwinism corrodes morality, you could just type in Bergman in the search engine at irontreppanzionradio .com,

B as in boy, E -R -G -M -A -N, and you will see that interview pop up immediately.

Let me see, what time is it? I'm going to go to a break before I go to any of the listener questions that have already come in, and if anybody would like to join us, as I said earlier, please send in an email to chrisarnsen at gmail .com,

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Iron Sharpens Iron Radio. We're now back with Dan Biddle of the wonderful organization

Genesis Apologetics, and we are discussing not only creationism in general, but we are also promoting the book and the film coming out by Dan Biddle, The Ark and the

Darkness, Unearthing the Mysteries of Noah's Flood. And we do have some listener questions for you already.

We have Lou from Sharpsburg, Georgia. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Why do

Christians like Gavin Ortland and others claim Noah's Flood was only a local flood when the

Bible was so clear that every high hill under the heavens was covered up to 18 cubits?

Thanks. That's disappointing to hear that Gavin has that view. He has written some wonderful things, especially devotionals and so on.

Are you aware of this view of Gavin Ortland's, or do you want to just respond in general to Old Earth creationists' arguments about a local flood rather than global?

Yes, certainly. I think I'm not aware of Gavin's view specifically.

However, it is a wildly held perspective amongst Old Earth creationists that the flood was local.

We, of course, disagree for two sets of reasons. The first would be a theological, biblical reason, and the second would be a scientific reason.

Let's start with the lesser of those two, which is the scientific reason. I think for a person like myself or anyone else who's got some time invested in studying the flood on the creationist perspective, it's not just moderately persuasive.

It's overwhelmingly convincing that the flood was worldwide in nature.

I think the two most key evidences for that would be the large packages of strata and sedimentary layers that are across continents.

In America, there are the same packages of strata that cover several states, and some of those large packages will even go across multiple continents.

So that would be the first set of reasons. The other reason would be that we have Dr. Tim Cleary from the

Institute for Creation Research, has exhaustively studied 1 ,800 oil core boreholes around the world, and can clearly establish that there are six different, what they're called

SLOSS, S -L -O -S -S, megasequences that are all around the world that are correlated, that show that there were in fact six stages to the inundation of Noah's Flood.

So those are two of the big geological reasons. I think I would add a paleontological reason with that, which would be the fossil record is expansive and it's also correlated.

We can put the continents back together, match them back together, and we can see the same types of creatures and plants on matching sides or edges of the continents when they put them back together, so we know that the flood rapidly spread them apart.

Theologically is, of course, the higher level to go to, and I think the reason that the flood had to be worldwide from a theological perspective is first, the biblical script is not just somewhat clear, it's exhaustively clear that the flood was worldwide.

You have the passage of Scripture that your listener mentioned, it's actually 15 cubits, not 18 cubits, but 15 cubits.

The water spanned over the highest hills by 15 cubits, which is at least 22 feet.

So why would God give us that clear hint in Scripture that the water prevailed over the highest hills all over the world?

And then secondly, there's not just a dozen or two, there's 60 different all -encompassing words used in the

Genesis account, like all the creatures are going to die, everything under heaven is going to be judged.

And then I think you have the other interesting thing, where the reason for the flood is God said, look, all of man's thoughts in his heart are evil continually, and that was the driving reason that God sent the flood.

He says, for that reason, I'm going to flush it. I'm going to hit the reset button. God says, I will destroy them with the earth.

So God says, I'm going to use the earth as a tool to recycle these bad humans, and he judges the entire earth.

So you can't have the flood be a local judgment for a local group of people to say, yeah, well, these people in this region, they're really bad.

And so it's going to be a hard day for those guys. I'm going to wipe them all out. But all the other humans around the world, they're going to get a pass.

I'll worry about them some other day. No, that's not God was saying. He was saying that all flesh on earth had corrupted itself.

All the thoughts of man were evil continually, and therefore, I will destroy them with the earth.

So you have all kinds of scientific and biblical reasons to support a worldwide flood.

The reason that the old earthers need a local flood is that they don't believe that their geology perspective and their fossil perspective fits with a worldwide flood, so they need it to just be local.

So those are the some reasons that I believe in a worldwide flood and not a local one. Now, what would be the compelling evidence in the mind of a

Christian, not just a professing Christian or a nominal Christian, but a genuine

Christian who is an old earth advocate, especially one who is a scientist, a paleontologist, a geologist?

What would be the compelling reason in their mind that they would think science prohibits a historical global flood?

I'm kind of having a hard time. I've always had a hard time understanding why the passionate disagreement exists amongst old earth folk saying, oh, there couldn't have been a global flood.

Why not? I'm just not getting it. Well, there's two ways to view the fossil record.

One way would be to say that it's the result of a 371 day worldwide flood, a watery inundation.

Then there's the ice age and there's a lot of ice age flooding that led to, let's say, a second massive set of fossils that are deposited in places like in Alaska when you have a lot of the woolly mammoths and everything rapidly buried.

Those woolly mammoths are buried on top of flood layers. So we have a lot of the ice age creatures were buried in catastrophic flooding with the ice age, but then you've got the flood layers that was responsible for wiping out all life on the planet outside of the ark, basically, except for, of course, the insects and the fish, because the flood was a judgment against all air -breathing, land -dwelling creatures that breathe in life through their nostrils, through their nasal passages.

The old earth Christian would say, no, I see a staggered progression of different creatures vertically evolving, or I see different sets of creatures that would exist for a while in one epoch and then it gets wiped out and then millions of years later,

God starts life again with another set or a family of organisms that live for a while and then he wipes those ones out.

And they would see it as a progressive stages with millions of years tucked in sandwich in between all those stages, whereas a creationist views the fossil record and says, look, there's only three ways to explain a fossil when you see it buried in mud.

Either it's from a recent local flood, or it's part of the message assemblage of fossils that were buried during the ice age flooding, or it was from Noah's flood.

And the dinosaurs, for example, fit perfectly in Noah's flood where we're very, very convinced based upon the nature and the extent of the burial that the dinosaurs went extinct during the flood, save about 80 different types of dinosaurs that were aboard the ark at the family level.

So those are some of the key reasons why the old earthers would want to have a local flood.

Now, do old earth scientists, those that are Christian, agree with the young earth scientists that the reason we have fossils is because this animal and plant life was instantly entombed by a huge amount of mud, earth and so on, rather than I can even remember as a young kid in grammar school, which was interestingly a

Catholic parochial school. I was Catholic before I became a born again believer.

We were taught Darwinian evolution in the science class. And we were taught that fossils took millions of years or whatever to form, and that doesn't even make any sense because you're not going to have an impression like that even exist if it was taking a long period of time to form.

Like when animals die every day and you don't see fossils all over the place.

Am I making sense here? Yeah, I see what you're saying. I mean, it's interesting that they're going to look at that information.

And yeah, they would agree that some pockets of the fossil record are going to be from Noah's flood, but they need to stretch time out as long as basically evolutionists do.

A lot of old earth creationists are going to hold to the same timeline as the

Darwinian perspective, which is interesting because I think that's one of the reasons that they're not as hotly contested as creationists are because to the honest scientists, they could view an old earth creationist as basically adhering to their secular timeline.

Whereas us creationists have a much harder road to go because they know we're directly opposed to their view, citing a portion of the biblical record.

Now, do secular scientists, evolutionists still claim that gradual, long period of time for fossils to form or do they, you know, pretty much understand that this had to be a fairly quick covering of mountains of earth?

You know, I would say that when, let's just take one major example.

For example, there's what's called the Cretaceous Interior Seaway. It's a large section right in the middle of America where we all, what the record shows is that we've got huge deposits of dinosaurs and marine life buried across multiple states in the middle of America.

And they would say that that happened slowly over millions of years or it used to be an ancient seaway and lots of creatures died there in different sporadic and periodic events and eventually led to the big fossil record that we see there.

Whereas a creationist is going to look at something like the Morrison Formation and say, wait a second, it's a 13 state region representing 600 ,000 square miles and it's 300 feet thick and it's filled with every known species that lived in the

Jurassic, they would say the Jurassic era, we would say the Jurassic habitat that was buried during the year -long flood.

But it's so obvious when your eyes are open and you can see that 13 state expanse that you've got marine life and land creatures are all buried together in a 300 foot thick region, you know, pancake that's spread out over 13 states and it's filled with dozens of different varieties of dinosaurs mixed up with marine life.

Of course, that was a worldwide flood. So when you look at the same data, they're going to put on their glasses and view it through a certain lens and we're going to put on our biblical glasses and view it from reality because God, who is present, gave us a record of how to see that data.

By the way, Lou from Sharpsburg, I forgot to mention you have won a free copy of the book,

The Ark and the Darkness, Unearthing the Mysteries of Noah's Flood. Thank you for the question.

When you were mentioning before about all these scientists who have renounced

Darwinian evolution and yet are not even Christian, don't even believe in the inerrancy of the scripture, they're basing their views purely on science.

Are they coming along to also view the fossil record the same way that you described?

Are they also coming along to view the earth as much younger? You know, that is the sad thing because we see a lot of conversions happen three ways.

Now let me just, or in three stages, let me just speak from experience on this. What I see a lot from people who are coming out of the, let's just say the more highly educated people who have degrees in science or are science minded or seem to be very analytical or very well educated coming through the finest institutions in America and they get saved.

What happens is they're fully indoctrinated in their secular beliefs about origins and fossils.

Then they'll get saved. And if it's a real conversion, then the Holy Spirit will begin regenerating their mind and their heart and they'll start going through the process of sanctification.

And then somewhere down the line, if they're prayerful and humble, they will reconsider their perspective on origins.

And eventually many will become creationists. However, what we find also is a lot of the times people get converted to truly converted, meaning just regenerate, they get saved, they get born again, and they never really firmly or thoroughly revisit their secular upbringing and training and thereby challenge their beliefs.

And so that that area of their faith never really gets opened up to the light. They leave it in darkness.

They just leave it with how the secular world is trained them to be. What happened with me is that I submitted under the authority of scripture.

I brought childlike faith to the situation. I was really troubled with the earth being young or old or whatever it's going to be.

But it was only after I brought a level of humility to scripture and stood under the authority of God's teaching.

It was then that God metaphorically handed me a key and said, Here you go, son.

Why don't you take a trip up to Canada and Montana? And when I did, I discovered

I took the cover off of fossils and Noah's flood and dinosaurs. And it became very real to me that God's word is true all the way back from the beginning book of Genesis.

But yeah, it does take a long time for people to convert sometimes to creationist. For me, it took about three months.

But man, I'm glad I did. When we come back, I wanted to ask you more specifically about those scientists, however, that have rejected

Darwinianism and yet have remained atheists and not convinced at all of the

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Dan, as I was saying before the break, I was wondering if any of those scientists who have come to abandon and refute and denounce

Darwinian evolution, even if they are atheists, agnostics, completely secular, have any of them through exclusively scientific means also come to at least a younger understanding of the age of the

Earth and agree with other things that young Earth scientists have come to see are true from the scientific evidence?

That is such a fantastically framed question because I caught a key phrase that you put in there.

He says through scientific means alone, have they ever come to that conclusion? So I'll just start from a bigger perspective because I get asked this question all the time about, hey,

Dr. Biddle, why don't all these smart scientists just believe in creation and the Bible's account for the flood and everything?

And I say, well, look, the Bible's very clear that 2 Corinthians 4 verse 4 says the

God of this world has blinded the eyes of the unbelievers so they cannot see the truth of the light of the gospel.

And I think that's very, very true, that the God of this world has blinded people so that they can't see the truth.

In fact, I try when I'm asked as a guest to go speak at secular universities,

I say, look, you guys, I can disprove the theory of evolution in just one minute. And I pull up a garbage can and I say, look,

I could pour mud and chemicals and organic matter and electricity into this garbage can and stir it for four and a half billion years and something as complex as a human hearing system will never come out of it and will never evolve from it.

Because if you just look at the human hearing system, you have five different mechanical motors.

You've got a sonar system and a hydraulic system and a chemical system and a mechanical system.

All these things have to be bolted together in a certain order for the hearing system to work so that when someone pushes around air molecules throughout the air, they're trapped by their outer sonar capturing design of your outer ear, which is called your pinna, then it goes and triggers your little tympanic membrane or your eardrum, which wiggles three little tiny bones, which upsamples it by a factor of 1 .6

and it goes into a hydraulic system in your cochlea, which upsamples the sound signal again by a factor of 22 times more.

And then it goes down to a little nerve that's wrapped around a part of your brain. So what's heard as speech is understood as communication.

You can't do that through evolution. Evolution can never do that. Randomness could never do that.

So Romans 1 is very clear that God has made it plain to everyone that he's the creator through what he has made.

But they will become willingly ignorant. They're going to deny that God is the creator. And then from that, they're going to cascade society downhill.

And that's exactly what we're seeing going on today. So that's the spiritual theological answer to your question.

Now, some people have come to amazing breakthroughs and epiphanies.

For example, when many scientists started discovering the soft tissue in dinosaur bones, the most obvious shift that they should have made to their perspective is, well, maybe these bones really aren't that old.

If they're not just hardened permineralized rocks and they really still are bones that have been preserved in the mud and they actually still have soft tissues in them, the most reasonable logical conclusion would be they're not millions of years old.

But they're withheld from drawing that conclusion because they're persuaded by a worldview. And that worldview needs there not to be a

God because they don't want to be held accountable to a God. So I would say we're mostly dealing here with a spiritual theological issue and not one of science or of evidence.

Yeah, I remember seeing somewhere on television an interview,

I believe it was an interview, where a female paleontologist had discovered a lot of flesh on dinosaur bones and she was being vilified for being a fraud.

Do you remember that? I do. It was Dr. Mary Schweitzer. And it's interesting because if you go back through this evidence and through when she started making those discoveries in the mid -2000s, a lot of what came out during those discoveries has actually been scrubbed from the

Internet. And I'm not a conspiracy guy at all, but there are things like, for example, when you look at her original finding in Science Magazine, well, it was printed in hard copy.

There was a caption right underneath her picture where she's talking about, they call it, Schweitzer's Dangerous Discovery.

So why would her discovery of soft tissue be dangerous? Well, it is. And that title's still there today.

But when you go to look at the caption under the image, the caption's gone. What used to be under the caption was a whole small little paragraph that said

Mary Schweitzer was having a difficult time publishing her findings of dinosaur soft tissue in this journal article.

And she was declined to publish the journal article by one of the reviewers. And the reviewer says,

You're out to lunch, Mary. This stuff can't be in there. We all know that dinosaur bones are rocks. It can't have soft tissue in them.

You're crazy, basically. But what Mary writes down is she says, Well, I asked this reviewer, when he said he would not publish my findings, she asked him,

Well, what kind of evidence would convince you? To which he replied, None. Wow.

So what that says is it shows a complete dedication to a worldview.

And like I said earlier, about 100 % of secular trained paleontologists 50 years ago would all say that dinosaur bones are just rocks.

But now 100 % of paleontologists can't say that. They have to say many bones are still hydroxyapatite.

They're still bone mineral because they have soft tissues in them and they're finding bone mineral, original bone material all over the place.

So how could you? Yeah, go ahead. I was just going to say, how has this discovery by Miss or Mrs.

Schweitzer herself changed her view, if at all, about the age of dinosaurs?

You know, I don't know, Mary. I do. I have heard. And I believe

I've also read that she is an old earth Christian. So I haven't met her personally, but apparently if she has made these discoveries and she genuinely has, and she's a great scientist, very thoroughly trained and very complete and very professional, it appears, but she still maintains her old earth belief.

So similarly, she has an allegiance to that perspective, regardless of what the more sensible conclusion would be.

The more sensible conclusion is that these bones are not that old, but they're unwilling to do that because they're, they want to hold to their idea of millions of years.

So I also understand that Mary used to be a creationist, but then when she went through her program, apparently she changed, but she, she,

I believe she claims to be an old earth creationist. When you say she used to be a creationist, do you mean she renounced it and then became one again?

Is that what you mean? What I mean is I, I, I think when she started, I've read something that when she started out school, she was a creationist, like a young earth creationist.

And then she converted to an older creationist, a position where she allegedly maintains to this day.

Now I'd have to go back and vet that out. It's been a while since I've looked at Mary's background. I'm very familiar with her findings and her studies, but her personal life,

I haven't met her yet. Hopefully I will someday, but she's her perspectives and her findings have really been tossed around by different creations, sometimes in unprofessional ways and sometimes in professional ways.

So I try not to throw her or her perspectives under the bus. I'm sure she's a well -meaning professional and maybe

Christian. I don't know, but I do know that her findings scream young earth creationism is true.

Yes. And what you just described, the refusal of the, of her, of her scientific colleagues to recognize what she had discovered there, you have a crystal clear example of so -called secular science doing exactly what they accuse

Christians of doing. That is importing our religion into science and viewing everything through those presuppositions and lenses.

They're doing the same thing. They don't want to call it a religion, but human secularism, humanist secularism is a religion.

It's a worldview and they are doing that very thing. They are taking that presupposition of facts that they think are already in existence.

And then they interpret everything else according to that. You're exactly right. In fact, one of the leading paleontologists in the world,

Jack Horner was really ambushed by Bob Enyart, a creationist who ran a radio show and asked on live radio, if we give you a thousand dollars, will you send in parts of the

B -Rex skeleton, a large T -Rex skeleton that they discovered for collagen testing and carbon 14 testing?

And he said, no one kind of hemmed and hawed. He says, what about $10 ,000? And he just kept going up and up and up and up.

And he's like, look, what's the harm. If you send this, this bone in for carbon 14 testing or collagen testing, if it's really millions of years old, you have nothing to worry about, but he still wouldn't do it.

And it's ultimately because they're afraid of the results. I mean, I sit on an international committee of carbon 14, dating experts and researchers, and none of us are afraid of the carbon 14 results that we're getting back from organic bone and materials from materials all over the, all over the world.

These are people who actually operate accelerator mass spectrometer machines. So we're not afraid of the dating.

I think the evidence comports to a younger. There are some anomalies or some challenges that young earth creationists have and older creationists and secular people have, but eventually everyone's going to see, you know, in this life or in the next that the

Bible is real about creation and it's true in all it claims. Well, let me go to another listener question.

We have Greg and I don't know how to pronounce this city, but it's either

Amatilla or Umatilla or Umatilla or Umatilla.

I'm not really sure. U -M -A -T -I -L -L -A and Florida. Greg says, being that you have written about the flood, what do you understand the

Nephilim to be and what sort of role did they play into why the world was flooded?

Yes. The Nephilim topic is a fun one. And I hold to a conservative but non -sensational view about the

Nephilim. There's three different perspectives on the Nephilim. Our ministry holds to the hybrid perspective, which is the same as the perspective held by Dr.

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They believe it's called Fallen, the Sons of God. He's got two different editions out, but that would, the perspective holds that the

Bani Elohim, the Sons of God are the angels, looked upon the daughters of men and had physical relations with them and produced the offspring, which is the

Nephilim because the word Nephilim is only used twice in the Old Testament and number 13 in Genesis 6, 4.

And it very clearly theologically and scripturally means that the angels had relations with men and then, or with women and had the offspring, which was the

Nephilim and the Nephilim destroying the Nephilim was partially the driving reason behind the flood.

If you look at the passage, it's very clear that all flesh on earth had corrupted itself. It's talking about the giant topic, but it's mostly talking about the evil of humanity.

And those are the reasons that God sent the flood, but the giants and the Nephilim were part of the reason that God sent the flood.

And of course there was a reincursion of the Nephilim theme that happened after the flood as well.

So that would be our perspective, but I would also warn your listeners that if you go on YouTube or Google, there's a lot of mythology, mythology, a lot of sensationalism around the

Nephilim topic. But I believe that even though there's a lot of extra biblical books like the book of giants, the book of Enoch, the book of Jasher and other ones that have questionable veracity.

They all talk about the giants and the Nephilim. I would argue just from scripture alone, there's enough passages in the

Bible. There's over 20 of them that deal with the Nephilim or the topic of the giants. And I would say that God's revealed all he really wants us to know about that topic and the pages of ordained authorized scripture alone.

We don't have to go outside of scripture to learn about that topic. We've got King Ur's bed that was over 20 feet long.

We've got David and all of his fighting men go after going after tribes of these of these, of the

Nephilim and their descendants. There's lots of passages of scripture that talk about the

Nephilim. So that would be the position that we hold on it. Thank you, Greg.

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We have Gabriella in Coralville, Iowa. And Gabriella says,

I have often heard old earthers boast about the insignificant number of young earth scientists, especially geologists and paleontologists.

But couldn't a reason for that be one of fear that they would lose their livelihoods and become laughingstocks in their field?

I have a strong opinion about that. And I think it's a good opinion. I probably have opinions that I'm not so strong about, but I do have a strong opinion about this one.

And I think it has nothing to do. Well, actually I think it has something to do with what she said about how the pride and the credibility associated with believing in old ages and not being a young earth creationist.

But I'll say this. I was at the dinosaur provincial park in Canada with my daughter and son several years ago, looking at a 30 foot

Hadrosaur dinosaur that was right there in situ. They left it right when they found it.

It was surrounded by plexiglass and there was a guy there and his son and his son pressed the play button so that the museum audio could explain how this creature got here.

And the audio system said, well, millions of years ago there was a river and the river got flooded and the river flooded its banks.

And then this creature decided to swim to try to make it across the river. Then it drowned. Then another one got behind and it tried to swim across and it drowned.

And my daughter had her wake up moment right there in front of this dad and his son where she said, dad, that's a crazy explanation.

I'm looking out of this 14 mile expanse and there's dead dinosaurs all over the place. And they're garbled up and buried with marine life.

There's no way some local flood could have done this. It was a huge event because you got 14 miles and these creatures are buried under 50 to a hundred feet of mud.

And she went off and had her epiphany. And the whole time this dad was listening curiously to what my daughter was saying, because her light bulb turned on.

And right in front of this guy as a spectator, she had a five minute rant about how the flood made way more sense of how this dead dinosaur got buried in mud along with 14 miles of other dinosaurs with those flood being a better explanation than millions of years or, or a local flood.

The dad heard the whole thing. It was a hot day. We walked back to the museum. My daughter went off to get an ice cream and here walking across the parking lot comes this dad.

And I'm thinking, Oh my gosh, I don't want to argue with this guy. He's going to give me a lecture about how I raised my

S my son, a daughter under creationism. But he came up to me and he was very respectful.

And he said, sir, I just wanted you to know that I'm a licensed geologist and years ago

I ditched my Christian faith because of the millions of years that I knew didn't fit the biblical timeline.

And I was trained in geology and millions of years in the strata and everything being really old. And he says, but in five minutes after hearing your daughter,

I have completely changed my mind. Wow. And I'm going, and I'm going back to church.

Wow. I wish I could have recorded what my daughter said, but brother here's the, here's my point.

When I can in corner someone and have them for lunch for a half an hour, or my daughter can take this guy for five minutes and you really sit down and God takes the scales off of your eyes and you present this evidence.

There's really no other conclusion to be had other than young earth creationism. It is the only lens you can put on that makes sense or frames the data in a perspective in a way that's better matching to reality and to the data than old earth ideas are.

And so I would say it's really lack of knowledge. The Bible says my people fail, you know, perish for lack of knowledge.

I really don't think there's enough people out there like Ralph strand, the director of our movie and myself and other ministries like answers and Genesis and ICR and others.

I just don't think there's enough of us out there being, being truthers of this information and getting the information out.

Cause when it comes out and people have an honest, humble, willing heart, they will convert, but people's hearts are hardened and the information is not out there.

The number one post we're spending tens of thousands of dollars right now on Facebook, promoting our movie that's going to come out to theaters on March 20th and 24, tens of thousands of dollars on Facebook and the number one leading response comment on all of our

Facebook social media marketing is this, what are you doing with dinosaurs in your movie thumbnail picture?

Cause we show a T -Rex drowning right next to the arc and they're like, you guys are stupid. You're showing a dinosaur drowning right next to Noah's ark.

Don't you know those two things were separated by millions of years. And the number two response is from Christians saying dinosaurs aren't real.

Wow. Can you believe it? So the world is so duped people in our faith that they're either believing millions of years or they're thinking dinosaurs are a fabrication of some government lie.

And those two things are really a thing. So we're getting it out there and our movie will eventually be seen by millions of people.

So we just need more people like us out there getting the truth known so people can convert.

Now, how significant is the number of Christians who don't believe dinosaurs ever existed?

You know, I honestly thought it was, was maybe one or 2%.

I had never met someone in person, but brother, I got to say there's dozens and dozens of comments from people all over America that are either saying they never existed or they existed millions of years ago, or they were invented by the government to get us to believe in evolution, which is ludicrous.

You can go to these, just go to Montana and look at the countless dinosaurs. You can go excavate the bones themselves.

It's, it's scary. It's kind of like the, the flat earth thing. Many people are going that way, but observational science and real data contradict contradicts those worldviews.

Christians should not be afraid of evidence or observational science or what the scientific method can truly produce.

But it is a, it's a, it's a prevalent view with more people than you would think either believing millions of years or that dinosaurs never existed.

Don't they think that it is compelling because of the

God breathed descriptions of the behemoth and the Leviathan and the old

Testament that these were dinosaurs. You know, there in lives, the good news is because people say to me all the time, dinosaurs aren't, aren't in the

Bible. And I say, yes, they are. Turn to Job chapter 40 and 41. In fact, in Job 40, this gets a little bit personal because listen,

God said in Job chapter 40, consider behemoth, which is the chief of all of my ways.

And then I would say God continues with the rest of that chapter boasting about his work because he should.

And he can, he makes this amazing behemoth creature. And he says, look, no one can surprise it.

It's got a tail that sways like a Cedar tree. It's bone through like tubes of bronze and no one, but it's maker can even get near the thing.

And God says, it's the chief of all my ways. In other words, the largest, grandest terrestrial being

God ever made. And we are discovering these things in the, in the, in all the, the dirt layers that are 122 feet long away, 70 tons.

So of course dinosaurs existed. And then you got the next chapter, chapter 41, Leviathan, which is most likely a dinosaurus, a large super croc creature for which we have the fossils to this day.

So yes, God does describe two different, at least two species of dinosaurs, very descriptively.

Then he also talks about them generally about like the beast of the field. So Christians just need to be educated about these things.

Okay. We have, let's see. I was just look,

Oh, Thomas Sita in Pearl city, Hawaii. Thomas Sita says,

I remember hearing a Chris Arnzen interview on iron sharpens iron with another young earth creationist.

And when Chris Arnzen brought up the fact that he viewed crocodiles and turtles as being living dinosaurs, and they are often even referred to that, to them as that in secular scientific documentaries.

But the guest, I don't remember what, what his name was said that they're not dinosaurs because of their legs structures and that they crawl on their stomachs and not upright like a horse.

Is that a required distinction to make something a dinosaur? You know, there are hip features about dinosaurs that break them into two different categories.

And for those reasons, yes, like a turtle wouldn't be classically defined as in the dinosaur family.

However, if you look at turtles, they do exist throughout the fossil record. And so that's what evolutionists would say by,

Oh, they, they're dinosaurian because they lived at the time of dinosaurs. But should you know that as far as you go back in 100 % of all the turtle fossils ever found, and I can say this emphatically,

Dr. Carl Werner evidence of author of the great experiment went to over 60 museums worldwide and photographed all these different pictures of seals and turtles and everything else, you know, 100 % of all the turtle fossils ever discovered always look like turtles.

There's, they've never found any form of a pre turtle or a turtle hybrid. They always look just like turtles.

So, so yeah. And creationists also believe as do secularists that, well, at least with respect to before the flood

Christians believe that these creatures like turtles would continually grow until they die.

And today we have many old sea turtles that are 300 plus years old. You know,

I went to a museum once that had a large turtle in it. One of the, it was one of the two largest turtles that have ever been discovered.

It was bigger than a car over a 10 foot circumference, huge, huge turtle. And I'm staring, they're looking at this going, okay, well,

I know this, this was found in the Cretaceous. It was buried in flood layers. And I know these creatures would live as long as they were alive, especially before the flood.

And this is the largest, one of the two largest ones has ever been found. And so I'm staring at this turtle in museum.

And I thought, you know what? God might've graced me right now in this situation with viewing turtle serial number one, because they've discovered lots of turtles.

And turtles always grow as long as they did. This could have been the turtle that was almost 2000 years old and died during the flood.

It could have been the very first one that God breathed out of that body plan. Is that amazing? The blessings that you can experience by living through a creationist worldview compared to adopting the world's worldview.

Yes. Amen. And going back to that question, which

I do remember that conversation, I can't remember who the guest was either, but is, is one of the compelling reasons why old earthers and secular scientists believe that dinosaurs could not have existed more recently in history is just because of their size.

I mean, I'm not really sure why, uh, why anyone would say that this is an impossibility.

I mean, something that large can be easily hunt more easily hunted, uh, cause it's harder for it to hide.

Uh, but, but anyway, I don't even understand, you know, why this would be discounted as an absolute, even scientifically.

Yeah. It's not necessarily an absolute. However, I do personally believe that there are pre flood creatures that lived and thrived before the flood that would have lived much better before the flood than live now.

For, for example, we have mushrooms that grew 20 feet tall before the flood and centipedes that would be eight feet long.

We have dragon flies that had two and a half foot wingspans. It probably wouldn't have been able to fly very well in today's earth climate.

We have pterosaurs with 53 foot wingspans, Quetzalcoatlus with a 600 pound body that probably couldn't have flown very well in today's earth atmosphere.

And the behemoth creature, uh, you know, again, over 70 tons, over 120 feet long, huge short paw dinosaurs.

Well, there's, there's something wrong with these and the body plan that in today's earth climate, because their nostrils are only twice as large as modern day horses.

So how in the world, and evolutionists have even struggled. I've got quotes from evolutionists saying you'd have a really hard time in today's earth atmosphere, getting enough

O2 and that creature, how in the world are you going to get enough oxygen into 70 ,000 pounds of dinosaur with a nasal passages that are twice the size of a modern day horse and a creature that's 120 feet long.

So yeah, there's a lot of creatures that probably couldn't have thrived that were not thriving very well after the flood.

Hence why a lot of them went extinct in addition to hunting and things like that after the flood.

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Oh, Laura in Stephan or Stephen, Minnesota.

It's spelt with the PH. Could be either way, I guess. Laura in Stephan, Minnesota says,

Very often I have heard atheists and agnostics and scientists who are not

Christian mock the idea of things like Noah's Ark and other stories from the

Old Testament because they will claim that Christians have just borrowed these stories from the stories that are prevalent in other cultures and religions and that would include the story of Noah's Ark.

How do you respond to that? Yeah, that's interesting because doesn't it actually, in many ways, add to the credibility of it actually being a historic event when people all over the world have stories about a global flood?

It does. It certainly does. So let me answer that question in two different ways. First, biblically, and then secondly, just with some overall evidence.

I think it's fascinating to me that what she just said is proof that the

Bible foretells the future. It's just the most amazing thing because she says, she noted that isn't it interesting how people are scoffing today and making fun of the biblical account of the flood.

And did you know that those people, all they're doing is fulfilling Scripture? They're fulfilling prophecy that was issued by Peter over 2 ,000 years ago in his second book, third chapter, where he says, above all, know this.

So Peter says, look, above everything else I'm telling you guys, just remember this one thing, that in the last days, scoffers will come scoffing saying, where is this coming that Jesus has promised?

For they're going to be willingly ignorant. They're going to deny, on purpose, two things, creation and the flood.

So that's a summary of 2 Peter 3, verses 3 through 7, where again, Peter says, look, above everything else, just remember in the last days, these scoffers are going to come and they're going to deny three things, the second coming of Christ, creation out of nothing, and the world was deluged by a flood.

And did you know that's exactly what is happening today? We are the laughing stock of secular

TV shows and comedians where they all like to make fun of Noah's flood and all like to make fun of the ark.

So first of all, I would say that they're fulfilling prophecy. The second thing I would say is the most compelling thing

I've heard. This is from Dr. Randall Price, a professor over at Liberty University who's exhaustively has studied the flood account and all these other historical accounts.

Did you know that there's not one, not two, but five different ancient Near Eastern myths or tablets of ancient flood accounts?

We've got these things written on cuneiform, we've got the Enuma Elish, we've got the Epic of Gilgamesh, there's several different flood accounts.

But the most amazing thing is that all five of these ancient Near Eastern myth flood accounts, they're all rip -offs, they're all echoes from the original

Genesis account. And you can really evidence this by two different things. The first is that if you take the core eight elements of the flood, like there's going to be a god or gods that's going to be angry, he's going to send the flood, there's going to be sacrifices afterwards, he's going to send a bird out, it's going to be one man and his family, he's going to gather all the animals,

God's going to tell him how to make the ship, all these common themes. These five different ancient

Near Eastern accounts, they all have the same major flood themes that are in the

Genesis account. There's just one problem for them. All the other accounts are totally unfeasible.

The biblical account is feasible, because if you look at the Epic of Gilgamesh arc, it was a square with six stories in it, and we all know that a square -shaped ship that was allegedly built in just seven days, according to the

Epic of Gilgamesh, would just rotate around at sea and everything would die. It's not going to be very seaworthy.

You have other ancient Near Eastern arc accounts that say, well, God says to build the arc like a circle.

Well, that's not going to work very good either. But the other thing to consider with respect to these other five ancient mythical accounts is that if you look through history, historians will tell you this really good keen insight, is that myths will always tend to get more mythical over time.

They're never going to get more conservative and more historical. They always get amplified and exaggerated and pumped up, and they're going to get more and more mythical, but they're not going to get more conservative and more historical.

And you know, that's exactly what we have here with the Flood. We've got five different accounts from ancient

Near Eastern mythology that all are allegories, and they're all based upon the real

Flood account, and they're all more exaggerated than the real Flood account. But only the Bible's account is real history.

You've got a 371 -day diary from a guy who was there present throughout the

Flood. You've got an arc that has dimensions that are modeled by ships that are out in the oceans today, and you've got something that's very feasible that could have happened.

But all these other stories are clearly myths. If you just look on face value, they're clearly very mythical.

Only the biblical account is the real one. Well, we're out of time, and I want to make sure our audience has your website,

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