Can Your Works Earn You Salvation?

A Gospel Check and the Setting in Utah

Hey, can I give you a gospel check? Yeah, are you LDS? Yeah, you have time to talk about your religion? Awesome. So, uh, are you just growing up in Utah?

Nice you got an accent. Where you from? I'm from Mexico. Mexico. Wow Dex.

Jared nice to meet you. Wow. So what brought you to Utah? It's beautiful right looking on the mountains. Yeah, that's so crazy. I don't know we'd like I.

Guess I think I find it kind of funny like when I figure out people come specifically to Utah out of all the places.

Yeah, it's shocking. I'm lost. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah. Um, so what party Mexico? Mexico City, okay. I've been to Mexico City like once so yeah, just flew out of there and then I was a vacation.

Vacation though. Yeah. Well, yeah, so we're we're from Baptist. We're Christians from a local church and We're we're out here preaching to primarily Mormons. But also those who aren't Mormon who just they don't have the gospel and so we're out here that track that piece of paper You have in your hand, right?

It's actually for Mormons and then we're out here preaching to them. We are convinced by scripture that they have a different Jesus and a different gospel that I can't save and yeah. That's basically, you know, we don't hide anything from you.

That's that's why we're here. You are you Mormon? Yeah. Oh, okay. So when did you become would you just grow up Mormon or yeah? Oh nice, okay, so you would be acquainted with the scriptures, right? Yeah, like like so you believe you'll become a god.

The Claim That Humans Can Become Gods

Yeah, did you know did you know that in the Bible it actually says in Isaiah 43 10 before me? There were no gods for him. Neither shall it be after me. Yeah. So, how do you deal with as a missionary he preaches that you can become a god one day God says that you won't become.

How'd you get that testimony. Because for example, I remember one investigator He was our colleague he was He he was a bad person in that moment. But when he started to listen about this Christ he he stopped drinking alcohol and He tried to be a better man because his wife he I don't have to say he kicked his wife or how he abused her.

So in that moment he changed so I realized in that moment that this gospel is true. So.

My question is right Joseph taught how are how are you saved? Can you tell me how you're saved? What what gospel essentially? Do you preach like what gospel do you hold fast to. So for example Joseph taught in Second Nephi 25 23, he says, you know.

You're saved by grace after all you can do. Yeah. And then again in Moroni 10 32, you know, if you love God with all your love heart and strength Then his grace is sufficient for you, right? So Joseph taught that you can receive God's grace by doing certain ordinances of the gospel.

To receive that grace, right? So would you believe that? Yeah, okay. So then in the Bible, right Paul writes in Ephesians 2 8 through 9. He says you are saved by grace. Through faith. This is not of your own works lest any man compose.

This is a gift from God. Yeah, so how would you reconcile that as an LDS? Member. You can learn.

Some special things in your life, right. If you read these things you can know that through your faith. So.

Try to be like Jesus Christ, okay. Okay. So by experience you said yeah. Okay. So what do you what would you say about your experience if it contradicts the Word of God? Because you on your mission you preach that you can become a god one day but God in his word says before me there were No gods for him.

Neither shall there be after me. So you're preaching by your experience. You said you're on your mission and stuff. You're actually teaching something that's against the Bible. So if you're gonna say I came to know the church is true by experience.

What would you say about a Muslim? But the Quran, you know, they believe, you know. They actually a part of their doctrine or who they believe about God and how to get to heaven. They believe actually if you blow yourself up, it's called jihad if you blow yourself up.

That's the quickest way to To to be with Allah their God the quickest way to to go to heaven have the 69 virgins and everything.

They actually believe you have to blow yourself up. So that's just their experience. So that's just their experience.

So they've come to that conclusion. Imagine I was a Muslim and I said to you Jerry I believe that I should blow people up and it's okay to blow people up because it's it's what I feel to be true. It's my experience.

How would you. How would you say? No, you're wrong. You're wrong about that because it because I mean Jerry you think about it. You're basing it off.

Experiences. What you've seen. Yeah, I think for example in my mission. I had some.

He was Jehovah's Witness JW. Yeah, so.

When I was teaching to him we try once to pray in his house and He asked specifically like if this is a real church about the Book of Mormon. And he was a really hard person because he never wanted to change his mind but in that moment in that place he he started to cry while he was praying and When he finished his prayer he said like I don't know why just I know this is a true church.

So we asked him. How do you feel? I feel happiness.

I feel like so are you relying on truth coming from prayer coming from feeling. That's how you get your truth. Yeah, okay. So what would you say then because God in his word says that in Jeremiah or Jeremiah?

1717 179 he says, you know, the heart is desperately wicked desperately sick who can know it, you know. It's wicked who can know it. So if you're trusting what God calls wicked you're feeling. He says not to trust it.

Don't follow it. Yeah, you're disobeying God directly by saying that. You know, you just got to follow your heart and feel what God says to you. What would you say to that?

I think all people can receive an answer if he really wants to receive, but I think as well we have to be Allowed to obey the answers. So it doesn't matter if we receive answers, but we don't want to act.

So I think all people can receive answers. So well, did you know that actually Paul is the one who is the one who is the one who is the one who is the one who is the one who is the one who is. Describing that yes, you know, we're not denying that the Bible does say that and that is yes.

Amen. Praise God. But actually what your church teaches is something against God. So in Deuteronomy 13 and 18 and actually a test of a prophet. It says if if if someone comes to you do many miracle signs and wonders.

But leads you after other gods gods, which you have not known do not be afraid of him. Do not listen to him. And then out and also says for a test of a prophet if he comes in the name of Yahweh. But he says one false prophecy he says one thing and it does not come to pass he is a liar.

Do not listen to him. And so Joseph Smith actually we see that he's actually done the exact same thing.

He's actually led men after different gods and numerous of false prophecy.

He says he says we have ought to believe that God has made God for all eternity. I will refute that idea remove the veil that you must see that you must become God's yourselves. But God says in Isaiah 43 10 before me there were no gods for him.

Now there shall there be after me. So Jerry, we'd ask you would you rather believe your feelings about the church or what God actually says in his word?

The True Christ, the True Gospel, and the Authority of Scripture

Like people try to convince me about other things. I'm sure about my feelings. I think it depends the person because I know there is a lot of religion. So I think every person can believe in the things that they want.

Yeah, we're not denying that everyone has a belief in something.

We're just saying that if you don't have Christ the true Christ and the true gospel, you're wrong. You're lying. Actually the Mormon Church. That's the reason why we're here is we love you. We're not here to bash your faith or put a push your faith in the right in the right place where it belongs.

We're not here to you know, condemn anyone. We're here to bring them to the truth of Christ the true gospel. Who God truly is what the Bible says who God is that's why we're here. That's why we're exposing the church, you know, because I was Mormon as well.

I was born and raised Mormon. Did baptisms at eight years old? We should be baptisms for the dead. Around 12 when I was 12 years old. I started doing baptisms for the dead. I used to go every Friday with my mom.

But in reality when I did research on who God was according to the scriptures according to the Bible Joseph Smith is lying. You can't become a god one day Jerry. And no matter what your feelings say the Word of God, you're saying something that goes against God's Word.

He says before me the worm of God's from neither shall there be after me. There's one God. You can't become one and also says in Galatians chapter 1 whoever comes preaching a different gospel than the one that we've preached to you.

Will there be another apostle or an angel from heaven if he preaches a different gospel than the one in the Bible? He says he's accursed under the wrath of God and With the things that we we just really want you to understand is Who Jesus is?

So, what do you think Jesus has who would you say Christ is? Like our Savior.

Master he. He was a perfect example about obedience. I think he was the only one who was perfect. Do you believe that he was Lucifer's brother? Yeah, because I know.

Did you know Jerry actually it says in John chapter 1 this is one of the Gospels you can read it. It's in the Bible John chapter 1 actually says in the first verse Actually, the beginning was the word the word is with God.

The word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. There's not a single thing that that was made that was not made by him. And so the Bible actually says in John chapter 1 that Jesus created all things.

He's the Word of God. It says in verse 14 And the Word of God became flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld his glory. Okay now so think what you're saying. You're saying that Jesus is the brother of Lucifer.

Lucifer is a creation if Jesus is the brother of Lucifer. He is therefore a creation, but the Bible actually says he's the creator. He is God in all things. So, how would you reconcile that how would you believe that because you were a missionary, you know what I'm talking, you know.

We're talking about. How would you say how would you still say that? I'm following the true Christ if Scripture saying one thing and the church is teaching a different thing.

Faith, Experience, and Testing Prophets

I Think it's things that you have to be made because right now we are not going to be able to know all things. So we have to like in the scripture says we we have to live by faith. Yes, I know. Maybe something important.

I Prayed in my mission in the house like in every single moment. I received the same answer. So what would you say then?

You're saying that you received truth from praying right and that you've prayed about it. Okay. Okay, can I leave you with one one last thing right? Yeah, you said that you pray for truth, right? So what would you say that I'm gonna give you an analogy for someone that's walks up to you and it's Jerry, right?

Okay, and they say Jerry, you know, I prayed I received from God truth saying that he wants me to have sex with minors. Right. I'm 18 or 30 or whatever. He says, you know, God's revealed to me that it's okay He's okay with me having sex with minors.

What would you say to them? I think that's why we have a prophet Answer.

I think the prophets receive Whole things about what we can do or we can't do. Do you know to test those prophets?

You know the scripture actually provides you a way that you can test those prophets, you know, yeah. And the Bible actually says when it says when you when you test your spirit according to what the Bible says a test of prophet.

They're not prophets. Joseph Smith's leads you after another gods. He says that you can become one. That's a different God. He says that God's a man. That's not a man according to Scripture. That's a different God.

They believe that Jesus is the brother of Satan. That's a different Jesus. That's a Jesus that cannot save. Paul says in 2nd Corinthians 11 for many will come to you preaching different cries in different Having different spirits than the ones you receive and they will also being saying the exact same thing.

I do good works. I do this people cry at Muslim mosques. That doesn't make it true. That makes sense. I can cry about killing Nazis or I could cry about killing Jews all day. But that doesn't does that make what I'm doing, right?

Does it make it true? It doesn't doesn't. So what we're trying to before you go, we don't hold you too long. Yeah, but we won't leave you with this. We want to leave with the gospel of Christ things. So in the Bible actually says That Christ is God in human flesh and John took the one I quoted it to you.

He is the eternal Son of God. God from God the eternal God of heaven and earth and he became flesh. He took on he took on flesh and He lived perfect obedience. He was tempted just as we were but he never sinned.

He was perfect. And then on the cross he dies. He suffers the wrath of God for sinners. So instead of us suffering the wrath that we deserve we're sinners. We deserve hell. No man is good. I know not one that's what the Bible says.

Jesus actually pays for guilty men. He takes the responsibility for their sins instead of us taking the responsibility. And that was out of grace and he rises again on the third day. The Bible says for those who believe in him they shall have eternal life for those who repent and believe.

For by grace are you saved through faith not by works? And we call you out of faith, we call you to faith and repentance. From this these church this church these false gods.

They're teaching they're leading you after a different God a God who can't save you a God who it frankly isn't real. So, you know test the Bible says hold fast to these the things that are true, right.

Test all things will fast. What is true? Yeah, so hold fast to the Bible. Bible. God claims that the Bible is true. Right. So hold to the Bible don't hold to what the LDS Church is taught. Read your Bible.

See what God has to say. God says that Jesus Has not been created. He's created all things moments and teaches differently. So read your Bible. That's the last thing we leave you Terry. I hope that you.

You know that you would test your church by the Word of God. Man, we love you Jerry. We don't hold you too long. We hope we did Jerry. And if you have any questions and like you think we're wrong on some things next week, we'll be here next Thursday.

So just come and bring your questions and we'll be here.