Let’s Bring the Light of God’s Truth to Jehovah’s Witnesses

And greetings, welcome to The Dividing Line. Here we are in the big studio. But before we get started, Rich walked in today as I was getting set up and brought me this. This is me. Now, I really don't have a face, but I do have my beards there.

And of course, I'm bald. And we've got a very colorful Fuji sweater and jeans. That's normally, you know, no fancy shoes, because I don't do the fancy shoes stuff very much. But yes, and it came with a very nice letter from Paige, Paige Wells.

And I won't go through the letter. I appreciate the encouragement and the fact that our ministry has been of benefit to you. And so Paige wanted us all to know that if you go to etherealwooldolls, one word, .etsy .com, and put in the promo code KUJI22, you can get 20 off your very own James White wool.

It's made of wool, you see, wool doll. Now, here's my concern. I'll be, there you go. See, there I am. I've got a Bible in my hand, and I'm doing something. And but here's my concern. OK, so I've got a debate.

In fact, Paige said she's going to try to make the debate in Houston coming up on the 8th, I believe, of February. And it'll be on what is marriage. It'll be a very interesting evening, I can assure you.

And I can just see many of my detractors. I can see the provisionist doing this, OK? I can see all the provisionist guys showing up on the front row with one of these. And then while I'm trying to make my opening statement, they pull out these big, long pins.

And they just start. And I start going, ah, ah. I could just, I could see that happening. I could really, someone's going to do that. Someone's going to, there's no question about it. But yes, etherealwooldolls .etsy .com.

Fuji22 for your edification. Yes, well, and something tells me I doubt that is fireproof wool. Something tells me if someone wanted to light him up, that he would probably light up real wool. Real wool.

Real wool. Yum, yum, yum, yum, yum. So there you go. That's a nice Guji, though. It's very, very, very well done. Who's fireproof? Oh, yeah. I'm supposed to be nice to Rich, or he's going to be sitting back there with, you know, what, you're going to take this one and stick it back there?

Yeah, OK, all right. So anyway, we have a lot to get to today. And we're in the big studio, so we're doing some stuff with the big board. I'm starting to see the big board appearing in other places. Coming back to Theological Seminar, I think they got their big board.

A number of the pictures I saw of last weekend's class with Lane Tipton on Van Till, I kept seeing this board in the background. If it's not the same one, it's very much the same one. I verified that.

Oh, you verified that? OK, all right. Rich says it is the same one. So we just want everybody to remember who had theirs first. Well, we can actually thank Matt for that, I think. Matt was our go-to guy on getting the big boards.

Reaching Jehovah's Witnesses at the Door

So what happened? Last, I don't know, I guess it was, oh, it was sometime last week. I think it was Thursday of last week. No, Friday. Anyway, I had some people coming. I was in the middle of doing some other stuff.

And the doorbell rang. And I thought, oh, man, they're here early or something like that. And I come to the door. And there are two gentlemen standing outside. And one of them is reading from a script and starts talking to me about, I think it was, what do I think the kingdom of God would be?

Something like that. And so I'm just like, so what group are you all with? Well, we're Jehovah's Witnesses. So I opened the door and I step out. And because I'm surprised, I am surprised on many levels.

I have watched Jehovah's Witnesses walk past my home for many, many years. But I'm also surprised because Jehovah's Witnesses stopped going door to door during COVID. And they started writing letters to people.

And I guess either mailing them or delivering them in the mailboxes. And I'm sorry, we all know that's gonna be incredibly ineffective. And so while I was talking to them, I noticed there was a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses on the other side of the street.

So they were back doing the old service ministry work. And maybe it's just been so long since they did it, they lost their maps. You know, the one says, don't go to this house, don't go to that house.

And so John and Ed came by my house. And I didn't have a lot of time. Like I said, I had people coming over, something else. And so we weren't able to get too deeply into things, but had a nice conversation, especially with John.

Ed just was sort of listening in. And I get the feeling that John has either is an elder or has been an elder at some point in time. And I did what, I have a little bit of an advantage in this situation.

I just go ahead and tell them what I do. And if they're gonna run, they're gonna run then and we're not gonna be wasting our time. But I said, you know, I teach at a number of different schools. I lecture on what various religious groups believe, including your own.

And I've talked much about what you all believe and I've read many of your books. And so I started off by asking him, so last time I did much digging, the society was, you know, 1914 was a long time ago.

And, you know, according to teaching the Watchtower Society in the past, God stopped calling people into the anointed class in 1935. And has that stopped? Has it, it seemed to me like they were working at getting rid of the anointed class, slave class, earth class type distinction, great crowd, the anointed class and the great crowd.

Seemed like they were trying to open up room for a third group or something like that. And John engaged all that. John answered as best he could those particular questions. But he had asked me at one point, do you believe in the Trinity?

And so I only had time to go through one text with them very briefly. And when I went on Twitter later in the day, someone had mentioned, you really ought to do some programs on how to talk to Jehovah's Witnesses.

And I'm like, you have to remember, we've been doing this, honestly, you know, we don't have the records of them, but we started doing the dividing line in the 1980s. And for many years, you know, I mean, this ministry started with a focus on Mormonism.

That was, you know, when the ministry is founded 40 years ago this August, this coming August, with four founding members, we had one tract, one photocopied tract with questionable theology in it. And we were pretty much just dealing with Mormonism.

And when the ministry was founded, that was pretty much what we were gonna be focused on was the LDS Church. And for years, that was the main focus, going out to Salt Lake City, going out to the Easter pageant of the Mormon Church in Mesa, you know, the tracts that we did, things like that.

But it did not take long. When I started teaching at North Phoenix Baptist Church, which is a very different church today than it was in the 1980s. And I was allowed to teach class on Mormonism. And I think, yeah, by the time you and I met, Mike had taken over the Mormonism class, and I was teaching Christian doctrine class.

And so, it really was fairly early on that people would attend the Mormonism class and they would inevitably have questions about Jehovah's Witness. I was a little bit hesitant. I was already, you know, I didn't have anyone to guide me at this point in time.

I don't think anyone at Grand Canyon knew what apologetics was. Grand Canyon University, well, Grand Canyon College back then. I was going solo on a lot of this. Though, I will give thanks for Dr. Bill Williams, president of Grand Canyon College, because I remember in a Bible study class, young marrieds Bible study class, because like I said, Kelly and I got married, I was 19, she was 18, and I ran more missionaries just a few weeks after we got married.

So, I remember him after a class where I had said something about we were meeting with missionaries or something. You know, he very properly and appropriately, you know, was concerned, wanted to make sure that there was a solid foundation and, you know, that's the same attitude that I have to this day, now with 40 years of experience behind me.

But anyway, I hesitated to expand out into other areas, because I knew how much work I'd already done to try to come to understand Mormonism. And once you get into Jehovah's Witnesses, and I've used this illustration many times, when you look at the range of topics that you need to have familiarity with to deal with Mormonism, it's very, very wide, but it's not all that deep.

With Jehovah's Witnesses, just turn that like this. It's a narrow range of topics, but you need to know it really well. And so, to get into Jehovah's Witnesses, you know, you had to go buy their books and I subscribed to the Watchtower and Awake magazines and ran into some people who knew more than I did that were helpful in finding resources, things like that.

So we started dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses. And for a long time, that was all we did. And then along came a fellow by the name of Benny Diaz, who's no longer with us. And he's like, you know, a lot of the stuff you're saying about the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses, you know, I'm a former Roman Catholic.

And when you start talking about the consistency of scripture and the soul of scripture and things like that, you know, these are issues that are relevant there. And so you ended up with that starting and, you know, interesting histories to be found in the development of things over the years with Alvin and Megan Ministries.

So when someone says, I wish you'd do some programs on how to talk to Jehovah's Witnesses, I'm sitting here going, do you have any idea how many programs we've done on that subject? And then they go, over 40 years.

And then you realize, yeah, well, they probably have only been listening to the program for the past three. So they missed the first 37 years. So they're not like Algo. And you know, Algo's not the only one.

I have met, I've probably met 24 people now. Who claim to have listened to everything they can possibly get their hands on. Every debate, every dividing line, everything on Sermon Audio, everything that they could possibly find.

And my response is always the same when someone says that to me. I say, I'm so sorry. I would never want to do that. So I don't know why you would want to do that. But there have been a bunch of people.

And, but still, that's probably two dozen at most. And it always makes me smile when people say, oh man, I've been listening to you forever. I started listening to you in 2015. Just started going, well, that's not really forever, but it may seem that way to you.

And I certainly would understand why. So I thought it would be important, it would be very good to, once again, do some basic stuff. And since we have, since Joe's witnesses are starting to go door to door, maybe, just maybe, you will be one of those homes that used to have a big old X on the front.

And maybe they'll go, you know what? People move, things change. We're gonna try, we're just gonna take all this out and rebuild our maps and go ahead and visit all the homes and we'll go from there. So maybe I'm already X'd out because I had the conversation, though it was a very calm and respectful and kind conversation.

You know, maybe I'll look out a couple weeks from now and they'll just be walking on by and going to my neighbors and not coming to me. It's happened before, it's quite possible. Who knows, we'll find out.

But I was disappointed on Twitter by a number of people, not many, but there were a few, who did the slam the door in their face routine. Now look, if you're not ready, or if you lack the love and charity to speak to these people, if you don't recognize the dreariness of their life and just want to allow them to continue to languish in darkness, okay.

But man, I hope you feel really, really convicted about that as you should feel convicted about that. And I was thinking about it. Someone, was it in our element channel where someone had found the reasoning from the scriptures book and it was like $127 or something like that?

I think it was. I just remember Benny Diaz and I going down in the 1980s to Tucson, to the convention center in Tucson where the witnesses were having what's called their district convention. And we attended and we attended because we had heard that their new service ministry manual was going to be coming out.

And so we wanted to get a copy. And it's the old Brown reasoning from the scriptures book. And I guess they don't use it anymore because if it costs that much on Amazon, it's obviously not in print any longer.

But I just remember sitting there, listening to the talks and listening to the singing. And my, you know, you just, if all you see are people that are interrupting your Saturday morning or something like that, you're just, it probably is best that you just close the door.

That probably would be best. If you don't see people who have been given just the most, I don't know how to describe it. There was no joy in the singing. It was dreary. The talks were monotonous. It was just, you know, I think of David Reed and how he was sitting in a convention as Joe's witness.

He looked out the window and he saw a lone person standing outside with a sign that said, read the Bible, not the watchtower. And it's real easy if you're mine to wander listening to those talks. I was gonna say, they're just read out.

They're just, and he started thinking, you know, I do read a lot more of the watchtower than I do the Bible. And that's what started it. Just one guy with a sign. And a person starts thinking about it.

But the point being, if you don't have a love for these people, if you don't have some compassion for them, then yeah, don't get on your theological high horse and, you know, get out your big old sword and wanna run somebody through with it.

That wouldn't be good. But for those who actually want to begin a process, you know, at the doorway, you're not gonna have too much time, even if you arrange for them to come and sit and stuff. You're probably only gonna have a couple of meetings, one meeting probably, a couple of meetings at most.

I've met a few people that somehow are obviously just much nicer than me. And so they've made it for a few more meetings. But you want to start a process. The vast majority of these people have never encountered Christians who really know the Bible and who really know their theology, let alone know their theology, Jehovah's Witness theology, and hence make the effort to build the bridges and do the communication that needs to be done.

So somebody has to start that process. And it may be someone else who gets to finish that process. You may never even find out the seeds that you sowed and what they came to. But that's how the Lord does things.

And so we do need believers who are desirous to be used of God in the lives of Jehovah's Witnesses, to bring them to a knowledge of the truth. And so I want to go over something. I've done it many times on the program before, so I'll go, sorry, you've already heard all this.

And we've done it on the program within the past five, six, seven years, probably, at some point. But I'm fooling myself if I think that everyone just simply remembers everything that's been done on every dividing line over the past five years.

Most people don't remember a sermon from the year before, so that's how it works. Now, let me just say from the start, this is, I'm pretty certain, this is the current edition of the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures.

This is the 2013 edition. And I know I first saw this gray version. It's actually rather classy looking. I saw this gray version, I told you a story about when I was in Durban, South Africa. And I was running a 10K along the ocean, back when I could still run 10Ks.

And I ran out to the end of this pier, and there's this guy out in the darkness before sunrise. And he's preaching to the ocean. He's facing out into the ocean, and he's preaching. And I caught up behind him, and he realizes I'm there.

And he grabs a book that he had in front of him, and this is what it was. As soon as I saw it, I recognized it was the New World Translation, so I knew I was dealing with Jehovah's Witness. But I had not seen the gray version.

It had only been out for a little while. And this is the greatest barrier that you're gonna have to get around in dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses, because it is a mistranslation of Scripture. It is a perversion of the Scripture.

And that creates a lot of difficulty and challenge for you. There's no, there's no choice about it. Now, thankfully, what I'm gonna share with you today doesn't require you to deal with mistranslations at all, really.

You can just pass over all of them when doing this presentation. And I've said many times that the first time I did it this way, I had been invited by a Christian to meet with some Jehovah's Witnesses on a Saturday morning, so it was an appointment.

And three elders showed up. That's a little bit unusual, but three elders came. And they asked me, as happened last week, you know, do you believe in the Trinity? And I had already introduced myself in the sense that, you know, I already told them, I lecture about what you all believe.

And what I did in that situation was I said, could I give you a summary of what I would tell my students, you all believe? And then I gave them the most accurate in their own language summary of their beliefs about God, Jesus is Michael the Archangel, the Holy Spirit is an impersonal active force, the great crowd, the anointed class, the faithful and discreet slave, the Watchtower Battle and Track Society, all of that.

And that got their attention. That could end the conversation immediately. For many, many Jehovah's Witnesses, they encounter a non-Jehovah's Witness that knows that much about what they believe, they're out the door.

And many of them will actually believe that you must be a former Witness to have that level of knowledge. It's just, it's a risk that I'm willing to take it's because it's opened some really good doors.

And then I said, so you asked me why I believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. Let me show you from your Bible, why I believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. Now I had purchased the opportunity to do this by accurately representing what they believe.

And because this can't necessarily be done in three minutes. So we have to be wise. There are, you know, if you can tell you're gonna have 90 seconds, then this isn't the direction you wanna go. But if you've hopefully, you know, they've come into someone else's home, an appointment has been made, they've sat down.

I figured we'd have a little more time. And I didn't see the, you can sort of tell when someone wants to get out of a room. I didn't see that with these guys. And so I went for it. So what I did is now you can use the NWT.

You can use New World Translation. Go ahead and let them do it. Now, by the way, I actually did mention this last week. We now have a conservative, excellent Bible translation that uses the divine name all through the Old Testament.

There had been an English translation, I think it was the New Jerusalem Bible, that had Jehovah in the Old Testament. But we now have the Legacy Standard Bible. And it uses Yahweh throughout the Old Testament.

That is incredibly helpful. These guys had no idea. Jehovah's Witnesses in general are shocked when you show knowledge of the divine name, either how to recognize it in a regular English Bible, L-O-R-D in all caps, smaller font for the O and the R and the D.

But when you know what the Tetragrammaton is, Yod-Heh-Wah-Heh, Yahweh, don't get into an argument with them about the Bible. Don't get into an argument about pronunciation. Jehovah is not a possibility.

But don't even, if there's any resistance there at all, just switch over to Jehovah. It doesn't make any difference. Because if the Bible identifies Jesus as Jehovah, all the rest of that stuff becomes irrelevant.

Their system's done at that point. So Legacy Standard Bible, super strong on the text on the deity of Christ and uses Yahweh in the Old Testament. So very useful along those lines. So I asked them to turn to Psalm 102, 25 to 27.

And I have it up here. I do not have the New World Translation in Accordance Bible Software. They don't have it because they can't, it's copyrighted. So I'll be using Legacy Standard Bible. But you can see here.

Now, what's important is, I'll scroll back here a little bit. And here in verse 22, when the peoples are gathered together and the kingdoms to serve Yahweh. So there's a Tetragrammaton Yahweh. And so here is, that'll be Jehovah in the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures.

And so we're talking about Yahweh here. And verse 25, of old you founded the earth. This is Yahweh being addressed. And the heavens, the work of your hands, even they will perish, but you will remain.

And all of them will wear out like a garment, like clothing, you will change them. They will be changed, but you're the same and years will not come to an end. And so I asked them to read Psalm 102, 25 to 27.

And I asked them, who's being addressed? They look up, Jehovah. So Jehovah's being addressed. And what is said about Jehovah here? Well, he is unchanging. He is immutable. You are the same, your years will not come to an end.

And he is put in direct contrast to the creation, which comes into existence and ages, but he does not age. And so I say, so would you agree with me that only Jehovah is unchanging because he is the creator of all things.

He is eternal. He did not have a beginning, will not have an end. So you agree with me that Jehovah is immutable. He's unchanging. Yes, we would agree with that. Okay, so now keep that text in mind and turn with me to Hebrews chapter one.

Now, I realize sometimes there's nerves involved and things like that, but this one, especially, it's important that you cover all your bases so you don't have to go back and try to fix things up later on.

You could just go to verses 10 through 12. Don't do that. You need, the more that they make your points for you, the better, okay? If they are answering questions in such a way that they are setting these things in place, that's much more effective in the long run.

So I go back to verse eight because verse eight begins, but of the son, he says, your throne, oh God, is forever and ever. And the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness.

Therefore, God, your God has annoyed you with the oil of gladness above your companions. Now, the New World Translation will not say your throne, oh God. It'll say, God is your throne. Now, that's a prejudicial translation on their part.

Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. All you're doing by looking at verses eight and nine is establishing who is being addressed. Who is being addressed? And who is being addressed is the son. But of the son, he says, your throne, oh God, is forever.

So he's speaking to the son. And you have the quotation through verse nine, and then verse 10 says, and, and then the quotes pick up again. Now, the New World Translation does this acceptably. It has the and, and then the quotes pick up.

And I've already taken a lot of background time, so I won't go ahead and pop these up, but I did take pictures earlier today. And I could pull them up, but the NWT will help you here. The NWT will help you here.

And in fact, the 2013 NWT will help you here. How? Well, at the beginning of the book of Hebrews, there is a outline of content right before chapter one. And for chapter one, it says, God speaks by means of his son, one through four, and then the son superior to the angels, five through 14.

So their own outline says that verses five through 14 are about the son being superior to the angel. But then in the cross-reference in the 2013 edition, in the 2013 edition, you have at the end of verse 12, the end of the quotes, there's a little C, a little reference.

You go into the center column, you go into the center column, and it says Psalm 102, 25 through 27. So the NWT will back you up when you get them to finally get to the reading of Hebrews chapter one. So ask them to read Hebrews one, 10 through 12.

And speaking to the son, you, Lord, in the beginning founded the earth and the heavens, the work of your hands, they will perish, but you remain. And they all will wear out like a garment and like a mantle, you will roll them up like a garment.

They will also be changed, but you are the same and your years will not come to an end. So they've just read those same words from Psalm 102 and have agreed only Yahweh, only Jehovah is unchanging. And now you've shown them in Hebrews chapter one, that these words are applied specifically to the son.

That's why it's important to start in Psalm 102 and get them to say, yes, this is only about Jehovah God. Only Jehovah God is unchanging. Only Jehovah God is eternal. Everything else has been made, including Michael the archangel, who is Jesus for them.

And so you show them this, if they're not sure it's the same citation or something, like I said, you can use their own cross-reference there. If there is, well, I'm not sure this is about the son. Well, even your outline says it is.

The quotations in your text say that it is. So here you have a New Testament writer that takes a section that we all agree is only relevant to Jehovah, uniquely to Jehovah. This is why this is so strong.

There are well-meaning Christians that will find texts about Jesus being king, and then they'll find texts about Yahweh being king and say, see, Jesus is Yahweh. The problem is then you can find texts about David being king or Solomon being king.

That doesn't make David or Solomon Yahweh, because kingship is not unique in that sense, but immutability is. That's why I was sent a video this week from a Unitarian, and some Jehovah's Witnesses will, get into trouble for it, but some Jehovah's Witnesses will sort of dig around on the internet and find non-Watchtower Unitarian sources and use their stuff.

There are Unitarians. They're always small groups. Unitarianism always dies slowly over time. Once you do not have a divine Jesus, everything falls apart, and Unitarianism falls apart over time. It has no means of maintaining its own focus, but they're out there and they're very zealous, and so I was sent a video from this guy.

He's saying, Jesus never claimed to be God, and what you'll have from a lot of modern-day Unitarians is they will utilize intertestamental, very rare for a Jehovah's Witness to do this, but just so you're fully prepared.

They will use intertestamental materials, and they will say, well, Jesus just bore the name of God himself like this person over in this intertestamental book, or this one over here, or something like that, and it's similar to the argument that was made when Michael Brown and I did the debate with Anthony Buzzard and Joseph Goode in 2010, I think that was, 2010 or 2011, and this representational idea.

It's all they've got. It's all they've got. Now, the New Testament writers don't quote from their sources, don't make that application. It's a forced application, but the point is this. This particular text, and if you wanna hear how this works, I forget what year it was, but I did, I was in studio.

Man, I went to London a lot between 2005 and 2019. I wonder how much time I actually spent in London over all those years. It was a lot, but I was in the studio on Justin Brierley's program with Anthony Buzzard, and we went over this text, and so they know about this, and this is key for them because when you consider what's being said here, if it is uniquely about Yahweh, it cannot be truly said of anyone else, and here in Hebrews one, this is demonstrating the supremacy of the Son to the highest created being, the angel, and so that's why this is so strong and so vitally important.

This isn't just bearing a name. This is being identified as that divine name with unique characteristics that are solely had by Yahweh. Now, here's where you have to have a heart check. I just realized today that might get us kicked off of YouTube.

Well, those dumb AI bots say I'm running on, I just had a heart check. They're probably going, oh, you're saying that someone's gonna keel over and die suddenly, and it's like, no, no, I'm talking about Christians.

Christians having a heart check. Why are you doing what you're doing? If you're speaking to these witnesses just simply to pull out your theological sword and run them through and get your sword bloody, then what you're gonna do is you're going to push right here and you're gonna say, I want an answer right here, and that's gonna end your conversation because especially if they're elders, they're gonna come up with an answer, and as I've said so many times before, it may be the dumbest thing they've ever said, but they're probably gonna go to their grave believing it because you forced them to.

You pressed them. If you really care for these people and you want to do an even better job in communicating to them, here's what you do. You show them this, the vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses have never seen this, vast majority, and so there's that awkward moment before they can even try to come up with an answer.

What you do is you give them an escape route. You go, escape route, why would I want to do that? Because you care about them and you want them to think this through. You don't want instant gratification.

You're leaving your theological sword, you're using your theological sword to do surgery rather than cutting a limb off, okay? So what you do is you give them room, and what you do is you say, now, it wouldn't be fair of me to ask you to respond to that if you've not seen that cross-reference before, but I hope we can get together again and talk about that, and could I show you another one?

By giving them room and not demanding they come up with an answer, you've given yourself the opportunity of doubling the amount of light that you provide to them because I have yet to have a witness say, nope, you can't show me another one.

And when I met with those three elders, they're like, sure, yeah, show us another one. And so the first one, write it down, Psalm 102, 25 to 27, Hebrews chapter one, verses 10 through 12, with all the other stuff that I've mentioned along the way to make those things more efficient and effective as you're doing it.

The next one is from John chapter 12. Now, you know, you could, you could be, if you want to, you can be a little less strict in the ordering of your presentation here, but I think this is the best way to do it.

And by the way, this is helpful. This really is, I have, you know, people often ask, they'll sit in on one of these conversations or we'll be out amongst the Mormons and they'll see that generally I have control of the conversation.

And many people will go, man, I've never had control of all those conversations. How come you do? And part of it just may be I look really scary, possible, but the reality is when you demonstrate by your presentation that you are very familiar with these texts, you're not just simply, you know, you don't just have a little card you're reading in the back of your Bible, you know, Jehovah's Witness verses, Mormon verses, that type of thing.

You generally will get to control the conversation. And so if you know what the context of John chapter 12 is, I present something like this. I'd say, you know, when you get to John chapter 12, which of course is the end of Jesus' public ministry in the gospel of John, from this point on, chapters 13 through his arrest is the private ministry to the disciples.

And you have this really interesting conversation and discussion on John's part about the unbelief of the Jews and the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies and things like that. What you're doing is you're setting up the context, but you're also controlling the conversation because a lot of them don't know that that's what John chapter 12 is about.

So you're establishing a level of authority and you're also establishing a level of reality. Like I said, you're not just sitting there going, say this to Jehovah's Witnesses, you are a member of a cult.

That doesn't really work all that well. Is that your way of doing it? Woke him up. I could tell that Rich was sitting back there going, no one's ever made a wool doll of me. Someone should make a wool doll of you in a coogee.

That would be awesome. Was there something you wanted to say from the Twitch channel?

Is that what you Actually, Twitch does have a legitimate question. The legitimate one is, how difficult is it to use the Greek language?

Yeah, there's a Twitch question, which I don't see, but that'd be very distracting. How difficult is it to use the Greek language? I'm not a Greek Septuagint in dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses. John knew about the Septuagint and he was familiar with that terminology.

Ed did not, but there were reasons for that. And the Septuagint will come up here in a moment. And maybe someone's anticipating that. It could be someone in channel that already knows where we're going here and the Septuagint could become important here in a moment.

But actually, Jehovah's Witnesses are gonna be significantly more aware of background, a background like the Greek Septuagint, than Mormons, for example. I don't, I can count on one hand the number of Mormons I've encountered that would be familiar with the Greek Septuagint.

But Jehovah's Witnesses, much more likely to be familiar with it. So it will come up here in a moment. In this very text here in just a couple of moments. So you go to John chapter 12 and you set up the context.