CNN Laughs at Him, then THIS Happens

And I mean he's just doing everything that he can and he's not getting what he wants and so at the end he's like you know we just got a a few more seconds left and and he says well

I I just I just want to ask you because he's gone every angle that he could go right to try to get whatever it is that he's trying to get and prove that I'm the wrong kind of black man

I guess. There's a reason why pastors with solid biblical theology are rarely interviewed by the mainstream media.

When Vodie Bauckham was interviewed by CNN, Bauckham communicated the extremely unpopular biblical truth that God created males and females to have different roles within certain contexts.

And here's what's interesting Reverend Bauckham she's winning over church members church leaders that don't even allow women to preach at the pulpit yet she could be leading the country what do you make of that?

Well it's interesting the bottom line on that is people look at this ticket and their fear is that we will have

Barack Obama as our president that we will be moved toward a socialist agenda that we would have the most radically pro -abortion candidate ever to run for president to serve in that office and that is an untenable position for evangelicals and so they look at this and they're trying to decide this based on what's best for the nation in the here and now and oftentimes overlooking some of those other issues.

Do you think that that's something that are you saying that should be that shouldn't be overlooked? I mean do you think that women in evangelical circles where women are not allowed to preach let's say that Palin and McCain do win and here you have this woman that could possibly be leading the free world and yet there's evangelicals voting for her that don't even believe that that a woman should preach at the pulpit.

Could this change the face of how evangelicals believe in the woman's role? I don't think it'll change the way evangelicals believe about women's roles.

I think it has sparked a discussion and quite frankly feminism has gained a foothold in many evangelical churches.

Do you think that's a good thing? No, I don't. Not at all. Why not? Well because we're about the gospel. The culture doesn't dictate truth.

The gospel dictates truth. My job is not to be a political pundit or political activist. My job is to be a pastor and proclaim the truth of the gospel as clearly as I possibly can.

And when Bauckham was challenged about this he would not back down because he valued scripture more than acceptance or popularity in the culture.

I possibly can't. Well wait a minute. What about the old testament and the prophet Deborah? I mean she was a political leader. She was a wife.

She was a mother. She was one of the the biggest forces in the book of judges. So that's the gospel right there.

She certainly was and the fact that something happened doesn't mean that it's normative for the church.

In Isaiah chapter three for example one of the signs that a culture is under judgment is that women are in leadership in their nations.

So Deborah was actually a sign that things were very bad in Israel. Not a norm for the church.

Margaret is the reverend sounding a little sexist or is it just me? I would have to say the reverend is sounding a little questionable there.

But in the sense that I believe that everyone despite gender has an opportunity to serve to give and to play a role in making a difference in their communities in their churches and around the world.

Reverend this could be an exciting time. I mean this could break through. We're becoming progressive in so many ways. We're seeing a black man possibly winning the presidency.

We're seeing a woman here that's on the republican ticket that that's you know rousing up evangelicals possibly to think twice about the woman's role in the church.

I mean this is fascinating times. They are fascinating times and they're also frightening times. When you see Margaret Feinberg use

Ephesians chapter 5 which clearly says that a husband is the head of the wife in order to justify somehow with this sleight of hand that Palin's husband is laying down his life by allowing her to do that.

Number one she's playing fast and loose with the text and secondly she is also ignoring the fact that Palin's responsibility as a wife and mother is governed by scripture not by whether we feel it's progressive in our culture.

Margaret final thoughts there? I believe that's a narrow interpretation and a boxy interpretation of the text as well as the role of women who in today's working families many families in the

United States need both the man and the wife in order to work outside of the home in order to support the family and to put that kind of burden on the family whereby a woman must stay at home.

I just don't think that translates into many working class families today. You know my job is not to translate into working class families.

My job is to be honest with the text and the text says in Titus chapter 2 and verse 5 a woman is to be the keeper of her home.

Now I will not violate the teaching of the text in order to somehow sound more appropriate for the culture.

I am a herald of the truth of the gospel and my job is to teach the gospel according to what the authors have said not according to what

I think the culture wants to hear. I think being a keeper of the home can be translated in so many different ways and that means that if a woman happens to be the bread winner shouldn't they have the opportunity to step out and take care of their family in that way?

Listen. All right what about the text that says the man and the woman should submit to one another? I think I'm just gonna leave it right there folks and I'm gonna be studying the bible tonight and I promise to bring you two back.

Bauckham was never asked back to be on CNN again. When John MacArthur was interviewed by Larry King on CNN, MacArthur likewise refused to compromise concerning what the bible teaches.

I think that's a frightening statement to say things don't have to be accurate to be true. I mean now you've just said there's no such thing as truth or the truth can't be verified or the truth isn't absolute or the truth isn't historic.

One other comment that John made I think is really definitive. He said there are a lot of people who don't know about biblical criticism.

This is a battle between those who believe the bible and those who do not. Why is it a battle?

Well because because you're taking two sides. But it's a belief. You can believe and have it's faith.

Believe me it's more than a belief. It's a battle. It's a war for the integrity, the authority, the veracity, the inerrancy, the inspiration of the bible.

If you believe the bible is the authoritative inspired inerrant word of god then what it says is absolutely true and binding.

If you're not going to believe that you're going to have to attack the bible because of its longevity in the world because of its power and its impact you've got to deal with it religiously.

MacArthur communicated truths about the true Jesus of the bible who is the only way to salvation.

John MacArthur what happens when you die? Well when you die you go to one of two places according to scripture.

You go out of the presence of god forever or you go into the presence of god forever.

Depending? Depending upon your personal relationship with Jesus Christ which is according to the bible the only way to enter heaven.

So therefore a jew or a muslim or a buddhist will not. Christian theology and the scripture says that only through faith in Jesus Christ.

And you and then when we say what happened what happened? You go somewhere as a body? Yeah no your your body stays.

We go to the funeral we see the body it goes into the grave it decays. Your spirit immediately goes either in the presence of god or out waiting the final resurrection.

There will be a resurrection of all bodies in the end a resurrection unto life or a resurrection unto damnation. He defended the rationality and inerrancy of the bible against those who would compromise to please popular culture.

John MacArthur thinks there is one answer. Well what I want to say is John I appreciate what you're saying but you're drawing a dichotomy between faith and reason that is frightening to me.

My faith is based on what is reasonable. I believe in what actually happened what is true.

I don't have an airy fairy faith in some concoction of my own mind. I'm not separating my faith from reason.

I believe in what is reasonable and historical and actual and factual. So it's reasonable virgin birth is reasonable to you?

Well of course it is because it's reasonable if god came into the world he'd come differently than any other person who was born.

I think one great thing I think one great thing that could come out of the red state versus blue state and I completely respect what you're saying

I would hope you'd respect what I'm saying in the sense that I think smart people can be faithful and faithful people can be smart and I fear that in the public arena in the past couple of years in the

United States that statement would come under attack. John it's not about being smart it's about basing your faith on fact reality biblical revelation.

You and I disagree about that but in good faith I think. And he defended the bible's unpopular teachings concerning homosexuality.

John MacArthur what is the irreparable harm of gays being married? Well I think there are a number of things that we need to talk about one is would destroy the family.

I mean obviously god designed the family to be a man a woman to produce a child it is the DNA it's the genetic structure of civilization.

If you don't have that you don't have civilization so you're striking it at the very core of its existence. But what does the state have to do with that?

God can do it and as a religious person you can practice it but why should the state be involved in a marriage?

Well typically the state is always involved always been involved in a marriage and I think because the state's responsibility is to uphold what is right to uphold righteousness.

I mean it's in the fabric of human thinking to understand a man and a woman make a marriage and a family.

God has put that in the very thinking of people it's in the heart it's there. The state upholds that standard always has in every state in every human history factor of human history.

You favor civil union you know the president said that should be left. Gay and lesbian people can do whatever they want they can do that in this culture or any other culture but they don't have the right to determine marriage for a whole nation.

So it's the marriage aspect not this if a state wants to pass that civil unions are okay to give. We're talking about two things we're talking about an issue of civil union that's a civil issue if you ask me about whether it's moral or whether it's right then it becomes a biblical issue.

That might come up later but okay but a civil issue sure they have the right to make a relationship if they want. Hey this is

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When Bauckham was interviewed by Emmy -nominated political analyst for CBS News Rashad Ritchie, Bauckham refused to give in to woke talking points and defended an extremely unpopular position concerning BLM.

Let's start with the social justice movement. I believe that church should be a place that expresses and transforms policy because of its value system.

What are your thoughts about the Black Lives Matter movement? Wow well that's two very different things.

The Black Lives Matter movement is very anti -church. It's very anti -christian. It's a Marxist organization that was started explicitly as a

Marxist organization that had openly anti -family and openly anti -christian sentiments.

Those sentiments had to be removed from their website because people found out about them.

So if you ask me about faith and Black Lives Matter I would say that the two are mutually exclusive especially from a christian perspective.

Bauckham's continued refusal to give in to Ritchie's pressure made Ritchie more and more agitated throughout the interview.

And I mean he's just doing everything that he can and he's not getting what he wants and so at the end he's like you know we just got a a few more seconds left and and he says well

I just I just want to ask you because he's gone every angle that he could go right to try to get whatever it is that he's trying to get and prove that I'm the wrong kind of black man

I guess. There are some definite positives that Black Lives Matter they've been able to work and negotiate with various governments around the country.

You mean in order to enrich themselves personally? Well let's go ahead and get into it brother since you posed the question.

In Minneapolis it was actually Black Lives Matter the organization who brought the attention to the murder of George Floyd.

Actually it was the video that did that. Well sir remember. They didn't do the video did that. There was no need for them to do it because the video.

If Jesus was here do you think he would say Black Lives Matter? Well if Jesus was here he would say lives matter.

I know for example if Jesus was here he would say that the black lives that are being obliterated in the womb matter and as a

Christian I believe that lives matter from the moment of conception all the way to their moment of natural death.

And so I'm absolutely committed to lives mattering but I will not be held captive by an organization that has used that terminology in order to back people into a corner and cause them to live with this cognitive dissonance between the organization that again is antithetical to biblical

Christianity and the idea that people regardless of who they are and where they come from matter.

I'm a Christian I believe people are made in the image of God and have inherent dignity worth and value. My question so my second question to you is do you remember the parable of the sheep?

Yes, theologian. Yes, there's an emphasis that needs to be placed on making sure we have economic equity, making sure that we have social access, making sure that we have reforms in policing and criminal justice because those are the biases that we've been living under.

So that would be the sheep in the ditch brother and the shepherd would pay attention to that one as the parable says when

Jesus spoke it. You don't agree with that? Not at all because you completely misused that text. The parable is one of three parables that were told together, the lost sheep, the lost coin and the lost son.

The emphasis there is on the fact that the Pharisees did not celebrate when individuals came to faith in Christ.

So you absolutely obliterated the meaning of that text. How did I misuse the text? You misuse the text because you allegorize the text in order to pour your meaning into it when

Jesus very clearly used that text in order to say something very specific. You don't get to change what he meant by that.

Do you think the social movement of Black Lives Matter is a bad thing?

Or do you think it's a good thing? No, I think it's a bad thing. Tell me why. Number one, I think it's dividing people.

Let me go back to what you said earlier. But people are already divided, brother. Can I, again, are we gonna be equitable since you're about equity?

Can we be equitable in the way that we communicate with one another? I got one minute, man. Go ahead, go ahead, Doc. What I'm saying is, by the way,

I love this. Yeah, it's good. What I'm saying is that if you go to those cities that you mentioned, yes,

BLM got involved in Minneapolis and Atlanta. And the crime rate skyrocketed specifically because of the things that they got involved in.

All right, that's what's called this Ferguson effect. It's absolutely true. Anybody go and look at the crime records before BLM got involved and after.

The interview ended with Richie making an absolute fool of himself. And he says, well, do you tell white evangelicals that they need to get rid of pictures of white

Jesus? And you can tell when he asked, he was like, I got you now. Do you tell the white evangelicals you preach to they need to get rid of that picture of white

Jesus? Which I responded, I tell everybody to get rid of pictures of Jesus. I tell them they need to get rid of pictures of Jesus, period.

Because it's a violation of the second commandment. A picture of Jesus is a violation of the second commandment. So I don't want to see any pictures of Jesus because it's a violation of the second commandment.

And so he missed it and he said, no, no, no. But do you tell those white evangelicals, right?

Because again, like it was a curse word, you preach to white evangelical, right? I hurt my feelings, by the way.

Do you tell them to get rid of pictures of white Jesus? But do you tell them to get rid of their white

Jesus? And so, because he didn't understand the first time I said, well, actually pictures of Jesus are a violation of the second commandment.

So I tell everybody to get rid of pictures of Jesus because I don't want people violating the second commandment.

It's a graven image. They need to get rid of it. They shouldn't be pictures of Jesus. Doc, I got to bring you back on.

When MacArthur was interviewed again by CNN regarding his refusal to shut down church gatherings in accordance with orders from the government,

MacArthur stood firm concerning the importance and necessity for Christians to gather for worship and push back against particular narratives.

Do you doubt the numbers they're putting out? Yeah, I actually do. I think they're having trouble in the state of California. The governor just declared that he was firing the state health director because the system, the computer system had miscounted all kinds of things.

So the whole state is in an uproar. Since then, the Supreme Court sided with MacArthur and said that the state of California could not enforce a ban on indoor worship.

And Grace Community Church received $800 ,000 to settle a legal battle concerning California's overreach in seeking to shut down the church's gatherings.

Of course, the demand placed upon Grace Community Church was completely hypocritical given that mass gatherings for protests were not at all prohibited.

Is that some of the very people who didn't gather and then condemned those who did gather went to public

BLM protests? Help me, Holy Ghost. And the city didn't come down on them. Why? Because both they and the city believed that that was more essential than the saints gathering.

When pastors like Bockham and MacArthur stand up to the mainstream media, they reveal that the mainstream media's arguments and talking points are utterly flimsy and empty.