Marks of being in a cult

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Open Air Theology.

My name is Jeff.

I am one of the pastors of Covenant Reform Baptist Church.

I also have a YouTube channel called My Two Cents with Jeff Rice, and that's cents with a Z.

And I'm also one of the owners of Post -Tenebrous Lux Bible Rebinding.

And I'm here today with my brother Haps.

Haps.

Introduce yourself.

Well, hi, I'm Pastor Haps Addison with All Branch Ministries, and.

I'm also the host of R &B Studios.

And I am your huckleberry, Pastor Braden from Valley Baptist Church in Hagerman, Idaho.

Just super blessed to be here with you guys tonight.

I also have a YouTube channel called Reformed Ex -Mormon, where we just do a lot of good.

Different topical stuff.

So it's a blessing to be here tonight.

Yeah, we need to work on Haps passing the mic.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm sorry.

I get caught up.

I'm trying to scoot.

Everything over to the different pages and everything.

I'm sorry.

Yeah.

But if you ever.

Ask me, Jeff, what do I suck at?

Well, that's it.

That's it.

That's it.

See, I was that.

That's why I was it.

That's why I was a bad drug addict.

I never passed.

You never passed.

You never shared.

No.

Oh, poor guy.

So what is our talk for tonight, gentlemen?

What are we talking about tonight?

The different marks of a cult.

Different marks of a cult.

Yeah.

Things that we need to be in a cult.

Yes.

OK.

Now, this is something that one of the three of us know quite a bit about.

Right.

Just a little bit.

Just a little bit.

So some of y 'all may not know and some of y 'all do know Braden spent 19

years.

Was it Braden?

Yep.

19 years.

Yes.

Yeah.

So he spent 19 years as a Latter -day Saint.

Yep.

And so like I know of no one else that I want

with me when I'm talking to a Mormon, nor do I know of no one else that I think needs to be in this

discussion of of marks of being in a cult.

Yeah.

Now, you know, like whenever we first interviewed you, Braden, before you actually came on to be a co -host,

we I told you that I used to go to a Mormon church, that there was a period of time where where I actually

thought serious about becoming Mormon.

And now, of course, this was before my salvation.

I was reading the Bible and I was studying.

Yeah.

But it was before my salvation.

And even then I felt God draw me away from it.

But at the same time, there is a spirit there in Mormonism that draws you to it.

Absolutely.

And to say that there isn't, you are out of your mind.

Yeah.

There is a strong spirit attached to Mormonism.

But we're not on here just to talk about Mormonism.

We're on here to talk about all different cults and just the marks of it.

But that's just a just and I just thought I would kind of reiterate to people refreshing their minds that

you, you know, you are a part of a cult at one time.

And so is there anything you like to say about that before we get going?

You know, the only way I was brought out of a cult was by the grace of God.

And so I'm very, very thankful for those things.

And looking back at it now, just to reiterate what you said, and I think it's something that you'll find in

every cult is that there's very persuasive, strong ties that hold people into a

cult and hold them from even opening their eyes, opening their Bibles, opening up their ears, considering what other people are saying

around them.

And my heart goes out to those kind of individuals.

So I think that throughout this whole conversation today, if there's anything that's making the hairs on the

back of your neck start to stand up, or you're starting to, maybe I shouldn't be listening to these guys because of what

they're saying my church wouldn't approve of it or whatnot.

That that should be red alarms for you.

And I would highly encourage you to reach out to one of the three of us and we can discuss some some biblical doctrine with

you.

Very good.

So now I normally have like a little list of things that I wrote down, but I

figured I'm not the, you know, like whenever

we whenever we were messaging back and forth, I kind of asked

for a list and Brayden just like I was trying to hit like one, two points.

And this dude wrote a book.

So I figure, you know, since he is a co -host and everything like that, I just let him

take off.

But I also like to hear from Haps first, too, before we begin.

Haps, what's your thought about this?

About the marks of a cult?

Well, from my experience, and I just say experience because a lot of us can draw from

experience by watching YouTube or listen to other people.

But when you really interact with people that have that are in cults or coming out of cults,

I know here in Southern California, I mean, my gosh, I have

Scientology, the Golden Era Productions in the next town over

with their golf course and apartment buildings.

We have charismatic cults.

We have all different types that really a lot of them have

spawned out of a Protestant, Protestantism, excuse me, no front teeth,

hard to say.

But a lot of Jehovah's Witness, I got a Mormon temple right behind me, you know.

But yeah, dealing with a lot of them, you know, what I've come to find out is a lot of them have

either they have been if it's something like Jehovah's Witness or Mormons, they've really been brought up in it.

I never heard of a conversion to Mormon.

I've never met anybody that that's, you know, happened to.

But it's for a lot of the people that I've met, it's just a part of their culture,

their family and all that kind of stuff.

And they're diehard.

I mean, they got a spirit.

I mean, it's real, you.

Know.

Yeah, same with Jehovah's Witnesses, you know.

Absolutely.

So around me, I probably I have a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints,

LDS Church, probably two and a half minutes from my house.

There's a Jehovah's Witness church that's pretty active.

And there's a lot of one is Pentecostal churches around in this area.

And some of them are not like they're not exactly, you know, like

you can go to a church service, you can look at the sign and stuff like that.

And they don't advertise it.

So like they're very tricky on how they set people in.

So we had these two ladies that were members of our church.

They left because they needed something.

They wanted something that was they had kissed church.

And so they started attending a church, which at first I didn't raise any eyebrow.

And then we looked on their their website and they, you know, that they said that God

was that there was one God with three personalities.

Right.

And so modalism.

And so and well, that's a cult.

So but when it comes to, again, like I mentioned, before I was a

Christian, I was going to a Mormon church.

So I would go to my church at the time, which was Haywood Hills Baptist Church.

Pastor at the time was Philip Barnett.

I was going there.

And then whenever church would let out, I'd go eat and then I would go to this Mormon church right down the street.

And then when it was over with, I would go back to my the Baptist church that I was a part of.

And I did that for several, several months.

And then, you know, just studying and listening, and realizing that that the Mormon faith is false.

It's a cult.

And, you know, at this time, God was still working with me.

And, you know, it was recent.

Right.

Right.

After that is when I believe that that God snatched me from the fire.

But after that, I began to teach at this church.

And I was teaching.

I went to this church for a long time.

I was teaching a Wednesday night class.

And one of the young ladies that was in the class with me started getting visited by Jehovah's Witnesses.

And I really didn't know anything about them.

But eventually she left the church and went and became a Jehovah's Witness.

And man, I tell you what, it really, it really ate me alive.

And that right there really, really got me.

It really challenged me to know, not just to believe something, but to know what I believe

and why.

Not just know what I believe, but why it is that I believe it.

And so it challenged me to study and it challenged me to have a defense,

to have an apologia whenever I, if I'm ever confronted with that

again.

And so I started studying.

And now for the last 10, 12 years, if I see a Jehovah's Witness, I'm stopping.

If they're walking in this neighborhood, I'm walking it with them.

If I see a Mormons, I'm stopping.

Now the one that's Pentecostal is like, they don't really look any different.

Nor do I see them walking the streets going door to door.

But, but yeah, I think,.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I think that the, the experiences I've had and down here with it there, I think it's a little

more extreme because we have cults down here.

Like, like, I don't know if you, you know, when I posted that, that we were going to be doing this

up on my Facebook, one of the, one of the guys commented on there, you should do it about this guy named Lightning

Amen.

And that was a cult that was out here.

And it was, it was, it was huge.

And it's really started in the seventies and eighties, got pretty big

nineties.

And the guy had, had everybody believe in that.

In fact, I, do you mind if I just share a quick little story real fast?

Okay.

So the way I know about this, it's over in Homeland.

All right.

And Homeland, California, or was it, is it Homeland or Romoland?

And I was, I was on drugs.

This is years and years and years ago.

And I was walking down the street and all of a sudden these two dudes come walking up to me looking like prophets.

I swear on everything.

I, I, I, I'm telling you right up.

They came up to me and they said, son.

And I was like, yeah.

They go, are you thirsty?

And I go, yeah, I'm thirsty.

And they go, son, are you hungry?

And I go, yeah.

And they go, oh, well come with us, dude.

We're, we're going to feed you and give you water.

And I was like, oh yeah, sure, man.

So we go over to this, it's all these, there was all these mobile homes all together and they were all hooked up

together.

And in the very center was a courtyard.

And we went in and we sat down and we sat down in these, like, it looked like a hen,

like what you would put a chicken in.

All right.

And there's all these people dressed like, like prophets all around me, you know?

And, um, and the guy goes, you're for a real surprise, man.

And I was like, oh, awesome, dude.

And, um, they brought us rice and beans cause they were vegetarians.

They're all vegetarians.

And then all of a sudden this dude with long white beard, long white hair, all dressed in red comes walking in

with two women on both sides of him.

And he sits down and I go, uh, I go, who's that?

And the dude goes like this, that's God like that.

And I go, you mean Jesus Christ?

And he goes, no, no, that's his father.

And I went, oh my gosh, you know, but they had hundreds and hundreds of followers.

All right.

And he would make, he would, uh, if you were married, he would make you, uh, make your wife

have sex with him because that's what God wanted.

And you had to sell everything you own and give it to him.

Uh, heavy, uh, um, there was, uh, drugs involved, uh, prostitution,

child molestation, all kinds of stuff.

And it was well known.

And this is in the same town with the, the, um, we had, uh, uh, Christian

science, uh, a whole plethora of, of cults all around us, you know,

and that's, that's in Hemet, you know, and Roma land.

Cause they're all, they're all these desert towns that became communes during the sixties and seventies with all the

cults.

Right.

And so, yeah, man, but, um, they're, they're real out here, man.

You know, I mean, it's like heavy duty, but.

Yeah, that's crazy.

Yeah.

So Walter Martin, which I know y 'all probably know him.

He wrote the book kingdom of the cults.

He made a statement.

He, he, he said something about, like, he gave a story about a friend of his who

I can't remember exactly, but they went to, and we're looking at money, right.

They were, uh, you know, studying money counterfeit.

And so, uh, he asked him, you know, um, you must've done a lot of study and like, you must've handled

a lot of counterfeit money in order to, to, uh, you know, to,

to, to be someone that can detect counterfeit.

And the guy's reply, and I know I'm screwing the story up, but the guy's reply was no, we handle

real money.

Like we handle authentic, a hundred percent authentic, true money.

And he said, we handle it all day, weeks at a time.

And he says, and by doing so whenever you're handed, um, you know,

counterfeit money, you don't even have to look at it.

Just the feel of it.

You know, that it's false.

And, and Dr. Walt, Walter Martin, uh, points to the fact that, you know, uh, truly

when it comes to the cult, the occult are,

we don't have to go, like, I don't have to go and learn everything that Mormonism teaches.

I don't have to go and learn everything that Jehovah Witnesses, Oneness Pentecostals, or all these

other cults teach.

All I gotta know is the authentic gospel.

I gotta know the one true God and his gospel, what he has done for

us to reconcile us to himself by sending his son.

And, and I have to have, and I got to handle this, this message every day.

And by doing so, when the false message comes, I'll recognize it.

So if you want to go ahead with your list.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So did you just want me, excuse me?

No disrespect.

No, no, this is perfect.

It's going to be published here one day.

Yeah.

Um, yeah.

So maybe for, before I even start reading this, um, one of the debates I did with an LDS gentleman

recently, uh, Connor was, his name is the first debate that's on my YouTube channel.

Um, I read with him Acts 1711, and he thought it was so funny that as a

Christian, I would go and read Acts 1711, which is that there were no more noble men than the men of Thessalonia that searched the scriptures daily to see if

these things were so right.

And, and he just couldn't fathom that as a Christian, we, we hold the

word of God as what truth is.

And that's our authority that we go back to.

And he was like, yeah, I was in on my mission.

And I remember even seeing Christian churches that were the Bree and Baptists or the Bree in this or the Bree in that.

And I was like, well, it's because that they're looking to the word of God as what their standard is.

They aren't going to a charismatic leader or somebody that's making a suading argument.

No, they're falling back on the word of God.

And so I just wanted to make reference to that Acts 1711 before we look at these things.

Um, because that really has to be where we're anchored, anchored.

That's where our guardrails are.

That's what that we are, are looking to for any sort of truth, any sort of

doctrinal belief is coming from the word of God.

And so just some of the things that I was writing, some of the stuff I, I, after I sent you guys that message, I did go on

to karm .org and looked at some of their stuff that they had on there.

So, uh, these are just all different identifiers of cults, um, false religions.

And you wouldn't necessarily see each one of these in every single cult that you can see, but you'll definitely see at least a few of

these, uh, no doubt.

Uh, so one thing I have written is, is some new sort of teaching or a revelation that is, uh, from God.

Uh, usually when somebody has this new teaching or revelation from God, it's, uh, on

duplicatable on, on provable by evidence.

Um, so an example of something like that in my own life would be like Joseph Smith going out in the woods when he

was 14 years old and praying and, and him having this, this completely non -biblical

contradictory to the word, uh, experience where he claims to have seen both the father and the

son.

No one else is around him.

No one else can validate what his message or his story was.

And that is the, the, I want to say that's the, the starting of Mormonism, but that is definitely one of the

highlights that they look to.

And if you look at all of Joseph Smith's experiences, many of them are

unvalidable with, with, uh, not enough witnesses or not enough, uh, extra

sources.

And so when we look at like Jesus Christ who rose from the dead, uh, there was many people that saw

him.

There's, there's recordings of this that took place.

And so, uh, we have miracles that are provable externally.

Uh, these type of cults don't, it's, it's usually a single person using a testimony, uh, to

validate these things.

Another, another one, and I'll just go through some of this is that usually, uh, these cults will claim that they

are the one and only true teaching or the one and only true church or the one and only true understanding of the,

of the Bible or their version of, of scripture.

Uh, so that they hold that truth within.

It's not something that other people can, can come to knowledge of.

It's something that you can only come to knowledge of if you're inside this group.

We have a church of Christ here in, in, uh, in a town right next to me.

Uh, they believe that they are the only church.

Now, hold on.

Not just the church of Christ in general, but their building, their, their one piece

property church where people meet that they are the only church in the world.

Yeah.

And so you can't, you can't, and that, that, that's a beautiful example, right?

Because I'm assuming what they're teaching is that you can't come to know who Jesus Christ is or who God is or truth

outside of their one building.

That's right.

Like that's ridiculous.

Uh, people in Africa can come to the same conclusions that I am, and they don't need to be a part of my church to do so.

Right.

Um, you'll use, you, and there are some of these things that are a little bit wishy -washy

in some areas.

You'll, you'll, you'll get strong leadership.

And what I mean by that is you have, uh, have men and or women that are very influential,

uh, very charismatic, very persuasive in these ways.

And, and with that leadership, it's a trickle down, uh, type of, uh, of experience, right?

So the guy at the top or the woman at the top is receiving all the revelation.

Uh, people underneath them, uh, can have experiences and testimonies, but none of their things triumph what the

leader is saying.

So he's the, the source of, uh, this, this knowledge or

guiding of the building or the church.

Right.

Uh, a lot of times it's like a pyramid pyramid.

Yep.

Absolutely.

Like a pyramid scheme.

That's 100 % true.

And like, I, I keep on, I'll keep on going back to the LDS just because that's what I'm used to.

Right.

But you have like the prophet, the, the, the 12 apostles underneath him, the quorum

of the 70, uh, and it just goes on and on and on.

But it, it falls back onto those core group of men.

Um, the first presidencies as another wording for it.

And it's everything in the church is dictated by those individuals.

Um, another thing that they'll do is, is asset acquirement, um, which is kind of twofold depending on

the severity of the cult you're in.

Uh, they will straight up require you to give away all your possessions, uh, to them, uh, to have them

be to the church.

Um, and this would also all the way trickle down to even you are required to give 10

of your time.

So you're, you're required to give me money.

And if you don't give me money, you'll either be excluded or you will not be given all the privileges that

everyone else is that have done this.

Um, once again, going back to the LDS, if, if, if you don't give 10 of your tithe of your total income,

uh, you are not allowed to go into the LDS temple, which is what they see as a requirement to be able to continue in

advance to the celestial kingdom.

And so they are saying that to have in their mind, true salvation, true

exaltation, you have to give the church this 10 tithe.

And so it's manipulating money.

It's a, it's a, it's acquiring these assets.

Um, and I think that the Jehovah witnesses that you made really good mention of earlier, Jeff, uh, this next mark that I've

noticed is isolation.

Um, Jehovah witnesses are huge in isolation and most cults are.

Um, if, if, if somebody is to leave a Christian

household, we don't shun them.

We don't close the door to them.

We don't not stop talking to them.

We don't all these kinds of things.

We continue to reach out.

We want to love on them.

We want to share the gospel with them.

Our front doors open to them.

But if you are a part of a cult, what you'll see is a, is a shunning is that this person is, is

false.

Don't listen to them.

Don't talk to them.

In fact, there are some, some cults like Jehovah witnesses that even if you're a family member and you shut the door,

and even if you were to open the door for a minute, you're going to be questioned hard by the church.

They're not okay with you opening that with them.

I'll tell you something I've noticed, particularly with the LDS and with Jehovah's witnesses and witnessing with them.

Um, there comes a point where they give up and they want to end

the conversation and walk away.

And, and, and that's when I point to, to them that, that there is

that right there is one of the biggest differences between them and I, because according

to their belief, if I die, if I'm, you know, Jehovah's witness, if I die, well, I'm just

going to face annihilation.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, if I'm talking with an LDS, if I die, I still will make it to

some realm of heaven.

Yep.

Right.

Versus, versus if they die and I'm right, which I am,

and they do not repent and put their faith in Jesus Christ alone, then they're going to go to hell.

Yep.

And I tell them, I said, look, you know, many times this has been true.

Look, my wife has been texting me, supper's done.

She wants to know where I am, but you know, what's more important?

Me talking to you.

Amen.

Because I care about your eternal salvation.

You do not care about mine.

Yep.

Because again, if you're right, which you're not, I'm just going to pass through some fire or I'm

going to make it to heaven.

Either way it goes.

If I'm right.

And you know I am, you're going to die and you're going to bust hell wide open.

Amen.

Yep.

You know, uh, the, there was a, you know, I wrote down a couple of things too.

Just a couple of little things, you know, I was writing down a couple of things.

I just wanted to, what I've really seen out of these, these things, like, cause you know, like the way I see like

Jehovah's witness and Mormonism, they're, they're really dying out.

You know, they're, they're really, I mean, man, I don't know.

I don't know.

They get 300 and something thousand converts a year.

Jehovah's Witnesses.

Jehovah's Witnesses?

Yes.

Man, they're, they're like, they're, they're like sending letters to us now, you know, like cause we met at one time.

Cause of COVID.

Cause of COVID.

That's it.

Yeah.

But anyways, what I've seen is, uh, um, just, just from again, what I've seen is

a lot of them, uh, come into these things, uh, um, and they get love bombed, you know, they, they get, uh,

uh, all this attention and all this.

And now they, uh, they, because they didn't find their identity in Christ, maybe

because they went through, uh, a church that really, maybe it's an apostate church and they

think that was Christianity.

And so they, they, they tend to, um, really get pushed into these things because

these cults and everything are like, we have the answers for what's going on with all the churches out there.

Uh, we know what's wrong with them.

They're the apostates and we're the real deal.

All right.

Cause we hold the Torah or we hold, I mean, whatever, but, um, they, they, they're also their language

change, uh, their, their language.

They're, they actually start redefining words.

I mean, just normal everyday words.

And, and it's not a re interpretation of scripture.

It's a misinterpretation of scripture.

So, and, and so also, um, and so they got an identity crisis and now they

find their identity in whatever movement this is, or it out now, now that now it's like, uh,

okay.

Uh, it's, it becomes a performance based, uh, or workspace.

Like I'm working towards something, you know, like some, like, uh, I'm, I'm now I'm more

spiritually, whatever, or, um, but yeah.

And it all comes down to really like, I think, um, we were talking about it earlier, like a form of legalism,

you know, it's, uh, every single time, every person I've ever, uh, dealt with that have, um,

cause I have people that come in my home that have come out of hyper charismatic cults, like I'll

straight up say cults, you know, or Hebrew roots or, um, they it's, they all have a

different Jesus, a different gospel and a different spirit.

Yep.

And, you know, I think for a lot of people, we just keep giving these guys passes

and go, well, they're, they're, they're Christians.

Well, if they got a different gospel and a different Jesus and a different spirit, and we're not letting the Mormons

pass, giving them a pass, you know,.

And I was sent a weird, I was sent a weird video by my other pastor this afternoon.

Um, pastor Cal sent me a video and it's a supposed Christian

church, non -denominational kind of charismatic or whatever.

And it was a mother's day message.

And the guy brought a chair up on the stage.

He was talking about, you know, that most everyone of us in here have an empty chair and that empty

chair is the mother who we used to bring to church that now has passed away.

And then he said, everyone in here who's had a mother that has passed away and now you have an empty

chair, please come up to the stage.

And they all gathered around this chair.

And he says, I want to tell you something.

Your mother is in that chair.

Go talk to her.

Oh my God.

And people were bowing down to the chair and praying.

Like, it was weird.

And I just text back, one of the reasons why I'm reformed.

That's pretty bad right there.

And you know, I liked the way the message was going at first.

I was like, yeah, I thought this was going to be a sweet story.

No, but they always point to orthodox and say that

orthodox has got it all wrong.

Either we're not spirit -filled or we're antinomian or, you

know, all this nonsense, dude.

That was some delicious chocolate milk.

I'm just going to say that right now.

That was delicious.

I thought you were having a beer.

No, that was straight up chocolate milk.

It was delicious.

He downed it like it was a beer.

It was good.

No.

And I think you guys are talking exactly like what my list is covering a lot of, right.

Is that they, perhaps you said it, it's a workspace salvation.

All these cults are, they always teach, they all do this.

It's all personal feelings to find truth.

It's not an objective standard.

It's all subjective to how I feel about it at the time.

They go to obscure Bible verses to build their most prolific and prominent

doctrine.

When those Bible verses have answers with the context and what's going on at the time that

they're written, they redefine words, like you said, they view,

they view any, and I think Jeff, you were really talking about this with your experiences of talking with the LDS and Jehovah

witnesses.

As they will view other, other you engaging with them, lovingly showing them what the

word of God says as persecution, they, they will be you.

Oh, you have a spirit of contention because it's different than what I have grown up always believing.

And so I got to shut you out right now.

I got to turn off the TV in that sense.

I gotta, I gotta stop this conversation and walk away.

And a lot of that stems from the fact that, uh, they just don't have those answers to provide back.

And I mean, if you, if you built a whole theology based off of how you were feeling at the time, and that's what you,

what your testimony is, because that's what all these, these different, um, cults have is a secret

information.

That's only found inside themselves that cannot be verified without sources that is only

found in their church.

And you have this testimony that's built off of it.

You have this internal, uh, evidence, or you might even look to external evidence as well, but you have

this testimony and for a preacher, a Christian, an evangelist,

a loving person to go and say, no, you're wrong.

What kind of feeling do they get?

They get a terrible feeling and that scares them and they want to be done with the conversation.

Yes, they will have a spirit of contention as the LDS would call it.

And so usually when I, when I go into these kinds of conversations with the LDS, I choose my wording very, very

specifically.

And, and, and one of the very wordings I try to say at the beginning is guys, I love you guys.

And I want to talk to you about Jesus Christ and please do not think that I'm here to be

contentious.

I will literally say that almost every single time with them because it turns off that switch in their mind of, oh,

this guy's trying to be contentious.

That's what the LDS church teaches.

And so they, they say, when you get the spirit of contention to leave, to leave that conversation, these

missionaries are taught to leave these kinds of conversations because they can't, they,

they can't be refined to the fire.

They can't, uh, can't be exposed to the truth because it'll expose their falsehood in that.

And so there, I mean, there's so many different marks that go into, um,

false religions.

Uh, I think a big one that we could all talk about is, is additional scripture.

Um, and I think, you know, you, you, you were talking about it with denial of orthodoxy

haps.

Um, they, every cult usually always teaches to some form or fashion that the Christian church or

the church of Christ fell away after the death of his apostles or fell away in this year fell away in that way

or whatever example it is.

And we have this really influential popular person in this year, whether it was hundreds of years ago,

or it's today that picked back up what was lost.

He's picked up the mantle of Christ and is continuing it forward.

And they'll bring with it additional scripture that has never been found anywhere else.

And so, um, I mean, you have for the, the Jehovah witnesses, the watchtower magazines that

they view that as, as authoritative.

Yeah.

The Mormons with the book of Mormon and the doctrine of covenants and the pearl of great price.

But even with the JWs, their Bible is corrupt.

I mean, they changed so much.

I have one of their Bibles when I witnessed to them, I I'll use it to show them they're wrong.

I have no, that's a perfect, that's perfect though, because I have a, I have a really good friend whose name is Josh

and he's hooked me up with a couple of different Jehovah witnesses Bibles.

One of them is an interlinear one from back before they changed certain wording in it.

So it's really, really cool, but it's, it's, it's sad how they attack the word of God

and they will say, every cult will say, well, that's been mistranslated or, or truths have been lost.

Or there was lost Bibles that have been now or lost books in the Bible that have now been found and

yada, yada, yada.

You know what?

I know we, we've talked about this many times and everything, but you know, when you go back to the 1800s

and stuff, when all these, these cults started, they all said the same thing.

It was the end of the world.

Yep.

That they, they've acquired this, this new knowledge, even dispensationalism, you know, like

a Darby said, he, he, he found something that was lost, you know, throughout

church history or, or I, you know, I'm, I'm not picking on them, but I am, but, you know,

and every single one.

And, and even nowadays, like, I'll just take the Hebrew roots.

And they're like, they got a guy like, I think his name is Michael Rood and now he's

done his own Bible called the chronological gospels.

All right.

Where you take certain scriptures out, put certain words in doing all this and that.

And, but yeah, you're right.

That's scary.

I see some charismatics that it was going around to all, all these charismatic churches out here that there was

these extra books that came from South, South Africa on,

how to get in touch with, you know, your, I don't know, some nonsense, Gnostic

nonsense,.

Gnosticism.

Yep.

Yeah.

It's just straight up Gnostic, you know, but anyways, yeah, you know, you're right.

I remember being 14 years old, speaking about Gnosticism, right.

And, and I, we took a, we had a, I won't say his name, but we had a certain

gentleman that was a part of our scout leadership that had a, a

relative that was high up in the LDS church.

And when I say high up, he was a, one of the quorum of the seventies.

And so he was able to get us into where like the LDS prophet and his 12 apostles,

where they all meet and talk about stuff and, and this, this closed room door setting.

And so we were able to go sit in the chairs and we're like, Oh, we got to all sit down in the prophets chair and, and thought of it really cool in

those ways.

And, and I remember having in the back of my mind, several,

several questions that I wanted to ask this one gentleman that was part of the quorum of the 70.

And I remember asking him stuff and he wasn't able to answer a lot of the stuff for me, but that gets wilder because when we were

walking back out of the building, I remember seeing Thomas S. Monson walking into the

building and just having, and I wasn't able to go up and ask him any of my questions, but I had such a desire to ask him

questions because I'm like, there's no one else that knows.

I'm keep on getting told, Oh, no, it's above my knowledge.

It's above my knowledge.

It's above my knowledge.

You have to go to the one above me and, and no one had that information.

And, and it's, it's almost like, it's this teaching of this secret information that's found in Colts that

you can't attain it until you get to a certain level.

Um, or once you even get to that level, it's not even in that level.

It's the next one above that, or you got to be faithful for so long before you obtain that information.

Or, um, it's just always this carrot on a stick in front of the pig's nose that just can't quite use it.

Yeah.

So how, okay.

So when, do you ever, uh, when you're evangelizing Mormons,

um, uh, do you ever bring up the fact that we know that

Joseph Smith is a false prophet because he gave false prophecies and how do they respond to that?

Yeah, I, I typically don't bring that up.

Um, and the reason I don't, and I, it's not me saying that you shouldn't or other people

haven't and had good fruit from it.

I don't usually go to the character of who Joseph Smith is because it immediately shuts the door.

Uh, from my experience, it seems like they, they shut the door.

And so I, I usually stick on the topic of who Jesus Christ is, what the gospel is.

Um, and, and once, once those seeds have been planted, then I go into saying, okay, so, so

you, what you've told me is a false gospel.

What you've told me is a false Christ.

And you can agree with, with the fact that you and I are believing in two different things here.

And they'll say, yep, we are definitely believing in two different things.

And I'll be like, okay, well, you can't have faith in one and the other at the same time.

It's the one or the other.

So who are you going to trust, Joseph or Jesus?

Who are you going to trust, your church or the gospel for your salvation?

And, and then I'll say, look, Joseph, and then I'll start, I'll then start dabbling in the character of who Joseph

Smith is a little bit.

But it's always really Jesus focused, really gospel, death, burial and resurrection focused.

Um, yeah.

And you know, it's crazy that they all have false prophets that have given false prophecies over and

over and over again.

Well, they have to, they have to, because it comes down to the root of it.

And I'll talk about the root and just what I believe the root is in just a second.

But, but it was, um, so whenever I witnessed him, and I probably said this

before, uh, and I found that Dr. James White does the same thing.

Who is God?

Who is Jesus?

What is the gospel?

Yep.

Yeah.

Like I'll ask those three questions and I patiently sit there and listen to it.

Absolutely.

All right.

I listened to every word they got to say, whether, you know, no matter what cult it is I'm dealing with, I'll listen

to everything.

And in turn, I want to answer those questions as well.

Yeah. Yeah.

So give me the same respect.

And so I personally believe the root of cultish, of someone being in the

cult and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the root of, you know, like, you know, a tree

has a root and that tree grows and then it starts to branch out.

So I believe that everything that you got written down, everything that you have written down, all are the branches of the root.

And it would be the simple fact of denying Jesus's deity

and, and not so much of his passive obedience, him dying for sins,

but the fact of him, of his active obedience, him living the life we could not

live.

And that we are, and that whenever the Bible talks about us being righteous,

it's imputed righteousness.

We're justified by grace through faith and we are, and we receive an imputed

righteousness and that righteousness that we receive is the righteousness of Christ.

And so, uh, all cults have to deny this in order to get people to, I mean, if, if, if, if

anything has a works -based salvation, it's because they deny the imputed righteousness of Christ.

And that is the active obedience of Jesus, him living the life we could not live in

our place.

And so from those two things, I believe that's the, the trunk of the tree and that everything else, whether

it's wearing weird clothes, paying 10 or you can't go into the temple, whatever it is, it all branches from

that.

Those are the branches.

Those, those, I hope, I hope those are the marks.

So if you're in a cult listening to this today and you're saying, wow, okay, everything that these guys have just said are things I see in my

own church, uh, who claims to be the one and only true church and all others are false.

Um, this is what Jeff just talked about with that is

engraved in each one of our natures.

And we can see that in our only, our very first father, Adam and Eve.

What is the very first thing after they partake of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

What do they do?

They cover themselves.

They look to their own works as a means of hiding their sin, their nakedness before God.

And so what do you see in every single cult is a denial of what Christ has done

and looking to their own works of their hands to cover themselves, looking to their own idols as a means of a covering.

And it's only until Christ, which is perfect, pre -incarnate Christ, God in flesh, uh,

in the garden being pre -incarnate Christ coming and removing those filthy rags, removing that covering

that Adam and Eve were using.

And then covering them in the, the, the sacrifice we see right there, how one is

saved is that it's the removal of our sin and the placing on of the act of righteousness of Christ being

imputed with that righteousness.

Um, I do think that that is absolutely the core.

I think it might, I think the core of it is, is definitely a workspace salvation,

uh, denying of who Christ is and a denial of who God is as well on top of that.

I think that those things are all at the base of the tree.

Yeah.

Show me someone who doesn't believe that Jesus is God.

And I'll show you someone who denies the, uh, the act of obedience of Christ and the imputed

righteousness of Christ, right?

Yeah.

That's, that's the, the, the main thing that, you know, when we have men come through this home and they've come out of

different, maybe types of, you know, systems and, uh, different types of theologies

or whatever, that's, that's not a problem.

And so, but when they, they come out of, um, uh, the cults or

completely pagan religions like Buddhists or Hindu or whatever, um,

you know, I, or even like the extreme Hebrew roots, like 12

tribes and stuff like that, or charismatic.

I always ask him, I always, always, always ask him what's the gospel.

Yep.

Just, just, do you know what the gospel, do you know who Jesus Christ is?

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Who is he?

You know, and keep it really, really simple.

And so I know how to minister to them.

I know if they, if they need, well, they're going to get the gospel for me anyways, but

a lot of them will admit that Jesus died for their sins.

Like Jehovah's witnesses, Mormons, all of them will say we have to wait for Jesus, but it's, it's, it's the,

it's the, it's the act of obedience that they have to deny.

You know, the hypostatic union.

Well, of course, but they'll try to, you know, like they'll try to teeter around that.

Um, again, you show me someone who holds, that has a works -based gospel.

I'll show you someone that denies the hypostatic union.

Show me someone that denies the hypostatic union.

I'll show you someone that has a works -based gospel.

Well, the two are holding hands.

Yeah.

And part of that, that denial of the act of obedience of Christ is, is.

Because when we say the act of obedience.

Right, and you look just like clouds right now.

Look guys, I'm up in the heavens.

Okay.

You should know this already.

It's, I'm being raptured right now.

Where are you guys at?

Chocolate milk is just wonderful.

It's just heavenly.

Um, but the denial of the act of obedience of Christ is saying that the life that Christ live

is the one that I too can live, which is saying it is by the works of my hand.

I can be justified by the works of the law, which, what does that mean?

That Christ died needlessly.

So in the act of somebody denying the act of obedience of Christ, they have

also denied the passive obedience of Christ too.

Even though they want to use the same words of dying on a cross, being buried, rising again on the third day.

Mormons will say this too, but guess what?

They, they hate the idea of the cross.

You will never see a cross in any of their buildings.

You will never see a cross.

You'll see far more pictures of Joseph Smith than any depiction of Calvary.

And you'll see far, far more depictions of the garden of Gethsemane.

Once again, they'll go to obscure verses and they'll say, that's where the atonement happened was in the garden.

It was finished on the cross, but it was majority of it was done in the garden.

And so cults will deny the act of obedience, but they also, by doing so, they have denied the

passive obedience of Christ to, to some degree or another.

All right.

So we've had on my, uh, on my Facebook page, there's been a couple of times the seventh day

Adventist has been mentioned.

So I'm going to give y 'all a, a, a shotgun, um, I'm gonna give you a bullet to shoot

is which, which I, you know, I'll be glad to answer them as well, but is seventh day Adventist a

cult?

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think, I think that that cult is one that somebody could be a part of, uh, at a very low level and not understand what's

going on around them, um, and still know enough to have salvation.

But at its core is the doctrine of the seventh day Adventist church cultish?

Yes.

Yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely.

I mean, first of all, they listened to, um, Ellen Jay White is a prophet,

a prophetess of theirs, Ellen Jay White for the most part.

And I think it's kind of done now, but for the most part, a lot of them will hold her writings as scripture.

Yep.

So we was talking earlier that they have other books that they consider to be scripture.

Yeah.

Well, they hold the writings.

Now I know all the old ones that I think there's some, you know, some low hanging fruit these days that probably wouldn't necessarily say

that their church probably definitely teaches it.

And also we was talking about the act of obedience of Christ.

They really hold to the fact that you have to keep the Sabbath, the, uh, and by, by keeping the

Sabbath, we would have a different, I would have a different understanding than they, but they would say that you have to

worship on Saturday.

And if you don't worship on the Saturday, then you are, then Sunday worship is the mark of the

beast.

Oh, do they?

Yeah, that's a very cultic language.

Sunday worship is the mark of the beast.

I did not know that he said that about Sunday worship.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

That they also, um, hold to, was it that the three angels, uh, Jesus and the

Archangel Michael, you know, um, Jesus is the Archangel Michael.

Well, I, I do believe Charles Taze Russell came out of the seventh day Adventist Adventism

whenever he started, uh, Jehovah's witnesses.

Yeah.

So to the people that are listening, yes, we do consider them a cult.

Whenever I'm open or preaching, I actually, uh, like I'll, I'll use a

John 14, six where Jesus is that he is the way, the truth and the life, and that no one can come to the father except

through him.

And I'll point out that he says that he is the way what way, well, it tells you to the father.

He is the only way to the father.

Speaking of his exclusivity at the time, it would be speaking of, Oh, covenant,

uh, mosaic law.

These people thought that they could get to the father through the mosaic covenant law.

Jesus says, no, I am the only way to the father.

Now to us today, we're saying the exclusivity, uh, that

what Jesus says still carries out that, that Muhammad cannot get you to the father.

Buddha cannot get you to the father.

Um, Joseph Smith, can I get you to the father?

Charles Taze Russell, can I get you to the father?

And I'll also add an Ellen J. White and I got you to the father only through Jesus

Christ.

Do we get to the father?

Yeah.

How's that pipe brother?

It's delicious.

How's the whiskey?

It's gone. It's gone.

That's a sad day right there.

Yeah.

You know, so, so how, um, I guess I'll ask you guys this now, how

as, as Christians, but with, with the rule that you're in right now as pastors, how,

how do you guys assist or go out and try to talk about, we'll talk

with these people about cults?

Well, how do you guys engage this stuff?

How do we engage the cults or to congregation with cults?

Both.

How about that?

First, let's maybe first talk about the church.

How do you engage your local bodies with engaging cults?

And then how do you individually engage cults yourself?

Well, first I, I believe that as, um, you know, one of the men that God has appointed

to lead the church, that it's my job to lead men and to make sure that men are being taught.

You know, uh, John Calvin said at best that the shepherd, the pastor should have two voices.

One to, um, comfort the sheep.

Now I could be saying this wrong, but you get the, just, just, I always get that word messed up.

Just, just whatever.

Um, you want to cover it, comfort the sheep and another one to drive away wolves.

And then I, you know, I've always, I'm always trying to get the guys on the same page and I've told them, I

said, look, we have to be on the same page because through that door, wolves are going to show up.

And listen to me a week later, after making that announcement, we had a wolf show up and they got to see me.

In action, right after the service, drive away a wolf.

Now I told him he was welcome to stay and come anytime and listen to the gospel.

But if he comes peddling his false gospel that he would have to leave, whether he

left on his own or if I was to drag him out.

Now, again, I'm from the streets.

I just can't help the way I speak.

Okay.

I'm not, I'm not going to allow that stuff.

In, in my, in, in the church, the church that God has given me, it's not happening.

Ain't nobody coming up in there peddling a false gospel at all.

Now I was very gracious with him and I looked him in the eyes and told him that, you know, you will not speak any of that in

here.

You're welcome to come, listen to the gospel, learn, listen to the teachings of the Bible.

But you start telling my sheep what you believe, you will be removed.

We're going to have problems.

Yeah.

Like, and, and, and trust me, like, I'm just, I'm just not the one like other pastors might put it

with it, but brother, I am not the one.

I feel, yeah.

And then on the streets, of course, you know, I mentioned it earlier.

If I see Jehovah's witnesses, if I see Mormons, I, I approach them.

I walk up to them.

I have a conversation and also go out regularly street preaching and witnessing knocking on doors, talking

to my neighbors, inviting them to church.

Um, I, you know, I'm very active in my, that's really good.

That's really, really good.

You know, um, I know what, with me, you know, I used to do a lot of evangelism.

I really just, uh, really more focused on, um, uh, the men at my home

and the men that I get here.

Cause they come from so many different types of cults, but I always try to remember in the back of my head

that I pray that God grant them repentance.

You know, because, uh, they've been captured by the devil to do his will.

And there are a lot of these people, they, they have a different gospel, a different Jesus and a different

spirit.

And so I like to do it with gentleness and kindness and really just sit down and go through

and, and just break everything down and then ask them, you

followed this other, this, this false gospel.

Well, we know that's for a fact.

This other Jesus and this other spirit.

And how's that been working out for you?

Yep.

You know, I mean, I mean, let's seriously, you know, because, um, most of these people do not have

peace with God and they, they're, they don't have an identity in Christ.

It's because they don't know Christ.

And so they're going to keep seeking after, and then they're going to find like, uh, my brother Seth said

when he was being taught by, uh, uh, Horton over in Westminster

and he was on Colts and he goes, well, why do, why do people stay in these Colts?

And he goes, well, people like their trash.

They like to stay in their trash, you know, they're comfortable there.

And, um, and so when we bring them the gospel, either if it's out there on the streets or if they come here to the home or

whatever, um, what we always want to do is we, the, the, it's, it's not my

intellect.

It's not my knowledge of Colts.

It's not my knowledge of scripture.

It's the gospel of Jesus Christ.

And then, and, and, and if I present them the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Holy Jesus Christ

reveals himself to whomever he wants and the Holy Spirit blows wherever he wants.

And so either they're gonna, the, the electric and respond or they're, or they're not, or it's not

their appointed time, you know, but I can just keep preaching.

And I, you know, I've had a guy here at my house that, that he was a

hardcore, uh, what was it called?

Hardcore Mormon.

Oh my gosh, dude.

And, uh, he had this big Bible.

He had the, the, the, yeah, the big, big one.

And, um, and, uh, so I said the same thing.

You're not going to be talking any of that nonsense here and stuff, but I kept hitting him with the gospel, hitting

him with the gospel of sermon.

Every single day, dude.

And it was just like, no, no, no.

And I was, I was almost just like, Oh my God, am I doing something wrong?

And it was just one day, man, I don't know what I was reading, you know, uh, but the

gospel messages in every, every, uh, sermon or every day, you know, uh, but he

just hit his knees and, and, uh, that was a rap.

I mean, he, I didn't just straight up, dude, you know, so it was, it was, that was his appointed time, you know?

And so the, that, that the gospel knocks down every door.

So I don't have to be a mass intellect to go do it, you know, but Christ is the one that kicks doors down.

Yep. Amen.

You know, I, uh, I, while you were talking about that, you know, I, I was thinking about

my neighbors, like I'm sitting outside right now to be able to smoke a pipe and drink that lovely chocolate milk.

And, um, you know, I, I talked to missionaries quite regularly.

And so there were some that I ran into not too terribly long ago and they told me they'd come back to my house and they never did.

And, uh, that being said though, they went to one of my neighbor's house and they walked by all the other houses to go to this

one neighbor's house.

And I thought that that was kind of weird and I'm already a weird enough guy.

So I didn't go over there and just interrupt their conversation, but I'm weird enough that I went right over after the missionaries left.

And I stopped by and gave them a book or not a Book of Mormon.

I gave them a Bible, talked to them about what the Book of Mormon was, gave them gospel tracts

and was like, guys, I like, I don't know what they told you, but they have a false Jesus.

And let me show you here why they have a false prophet.

Let me show you why.

And this is what the gospel is because we all are sinners in need of a savior.

And after they were, after I got done giving them my little five minute spill, they were like, don't worry, Joseph Smith is

crazy.

He is a false prophet.

And I was like, sweet.

I was like, well, you could have told me that right when I came over here.

But anyway, um, you know, if your church, uh, I think there's, there's

three things that I see in, in, in false leaders of a church, in a false prophet, wolves amongst sheep

or wolves amongst goats.

And, uh, three things that I, I, I can see in different cults and, and, and ones that are started

by men, particularly.

What are the three things that all men and fleshly men want?

Power, money, and sex, power, money, and sex, power, money, and sex.

Those are, I was always told that the preacher needs to stay away from the money and the honeys.

That's right.

That's right.

And so if you're, if you're, if your church has an influential leader that you can see those three things in,

it's wrong.

A shepherd of a church, if you think about this correctly, and you think of a shepherd on a field, he should be just

as dirty and muddy as the sheep are.

He should not have power.

He should not have money and he should not have sex like that.

He should have humility.

Amen.

Amen.

Absolutely.

And so that, that, you know, if you want to have marks of a, of a, of a leader in a true church and one that is

biblically based, you're going to see humility.

You're going to see faithfulness.

You're going to see the Bible, uh, coming from his mouth, not the nonsense that you see in these other cults.

And I would also add, you know, um, from that humility, you'll see a, a

humble man, bold, not in his own strength, but in the strength of giving

to him by Jesus Christ, because he has been filled with the Holy spirit, whether

it's him, uh, Stan, uh, you know, with his face in the Bible, you know, because it's like, it's

hard.

Prepare messages is hard, right?

Like it's, it's not easy.

It's not, you know, if you, if, if, if you just think you can do it, like, stop it.

Like it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not easy.

And then, you know, standing up there before your peers and proclaiming this word.

And, and, and as you're doing, so there's so much stuff going on, you know, you, you know, you have your,

you know, you're dealing with the text, you're dealing with your notes, you're dealing with the guy yawning, you're dealing with the

voice in your head saying that you're not, you're not good enough, uh, you know, and then you're dealing with the last time you

preach and he went back and listened to the message.

You said this totally, absolutely wrong.

Like, yeah, like you talk like you're from the trailer park.

I'm like, well, I am from, you know, you got all this stuff going through your head and at the same time you're

delivering this message and then, you know, and you do have to, you know, call people out,

you know, you do have to call people in their junk.

You do have to confess your junk, you know, like, like you have to be real and you do have to stand up

to wolves.

You do have to call an ace an ace.

And by that, I mean a false prophet, a false prophet, you know?

So, um, you know, uh, it's not for weak men, but it is for humbled

men who, who find their weakness, who are weak, but find their strength in

Christ.

Right.

We're, we're, we're not militant.

That's right.

We love our sheep.

You know, like, like I love my wife.

I love my kids.

I'm not walking around here, pushing people and punching them in the face.

Cause I have a wife and kids, but listen to me, you come in and you try to hurt my family.

It's going down, bro.

It's a wrap.

I used to go, you get the crazy ass.

Like it's a wrap.

How much more of the bride of Christ?

Right.

We, we as shepherds, you know, we're supposed to be all these things, you know, this leader,

this, and all these things at the same time, like do not come up in here

thinking you're going to hurt one of my sheep because it ain't happening.

And so we have to be bold, but at the same time, this humility that we have is the, God has

humbled us and the strength that whenever the strength that we possess is given to us by

Christ to protect the sheep.

So your pastors should be someone that stands up for you.

Yep.

You got a sling and a rock.

If you have Mormons, if you got Mormons come into your house and you're not prepared to speak

to them and you call your pastor and he doesn't come and help you,

listen, any one of my, if my, any of my, the people at my church are listening and they know,

they know if they call me, I'll drop whatever it is and I'll be there.

Yep.

And that Mormon or that Jehovah's Witness.

Keep the Mormon talking, just keep them talking long enough.

They know, they know they can call me and I'm on my way.

It doesn't matter.

Yeah.

I've gotten knocks at my door many a time when I, and I got mentally ill guys here and they go, pastor, there's Mormons

here.

And I look outside and there's a couple of my guys just getting them, just getting them, you know, just

getting them.

And I just walk up and I'm like, oh, they're doing fine.

I just walked back in, you know, they're doing just great, man.

You know, while you guys were talking, I got a new revelation.

Um, about how, if you're reformed, you can't be reformed if, if you don't have

tulips in your, in your yard.

So I have tulips in my yard.

Okay.

You're reformed then.

That's, that's, that's cool.

I'm in the desert, man.

I can't have tulips in my yard.

I got Adobe clay.

You need to reform, you know, close to your best lucks brother.

Come to Tallahumma after darkness light.

You can go buy soil somewhere.

Let's see the plants.

Come on.

Oh man, dude.

I'm fine for my wife.

They die so easy.

I have a, I have two dogwood trees in my yard, kind of probably about 40 feet apart and then right

underneath.

And we have a little flower beds and tulips pop up at another.

Yeah, I actually didn't plan them.

They, they just come up every year.

It was just, they just come up naturally.

Right?

Yeah.

I mean, when the Calvinist land, you know, at my house, I got, um, I got a, I got a giant

big tree, orange tree, lemon tree, uh, grapefruit,

and I got, uh, two grape orchards.

I bet you got some gravel.

Don't you?

Yeah, I got some gravel.

Yeah.

My, my wife, she likes to make homemade wine every year.

Ooh, really?

Oh my gosh, man.

That's cool.

Oh my gosh.

She knows how to do it too.

I tried to do it once and I just, I wrecked it.

Oh, I'm jealous.

That's really cool.

Well, we're working on making a, uh, uh, so much.

I know this is off the topic, but you're talking about making stuff.

So just be on the lookout for post tender Bruce Lux beard care.

So we're going to be coming out five, five different products for beard care.

Um, Hey, you got to get a wax for his bro.

We got to take care of Brady.

We're making wax.

We're making a recipe for wax already.

Yeah.

I'm well, I'll send it to me and I'll check it out.

Oh, brother.

So, so when it comes to the bonds, we're going to make bomb butter and, uh, and wax and we're gonna have five

different scents to start out with.

So, you know, I remember I, you know what?

I never used a oil or a beer bomb at all.

And I remember I was, I was telling Jeff, this is like a year ago or whatever.

I'm like, man, dude, I'm like a Chia pet, dude.

You know, just the friction and everything.

And he's like, well, I said, I bought the, I bought the, uh, was it the oil and

he goes, what about the bomb?

And I was like this, the bomb, I just been putting beard oil in.

Olive oil in there or something.

Oh, I did that a couple of times too.

And then I did them both.

I got it from wrath and grace, the, the, um, the oil and the, and I love touching my beard now.

Whenever we get ours done, I'll send y 'all some, let me know.

Oh man.

Yeah.

I call my mustache wax, the heresy because the only hair you should see.

And so, yeah, no, I, I make my own stuff.

So I'll send you my recipe and you can try it out.

I'll sell it.

Sweet.

I love it.

It's cool.

All right.

So any, uh, closing thoughts that y 'all might have, I'm pretty sure everybody's tired of listening to

us.

Oh, look to Christ and all that he's done, both his, his perfect life and his dying upon a cross

and raising from the tomb for salvation.

Anybody that tells you otherwise, you're in a cult.

Yeah. Yeah.

If you don't, anyone preaches a gospel outside of the fact that

God sent his son to live the life that you could

not live and to die the death, to take upon himself, the punishment that you

deserve and that by his death, we are forgiven and that by the life that he lived, we are

reckoned with righteousness.

That is a false gospel.

And that not only did this Jesus live the life that we could not live, took upon himself, the punishment that we deserve in this

death, but he was buried.

And on the third day, God raised him from the dead.

And if you believe that you shall be saved.

And he rose from the dead.

He showed himself publicly for 40 days.

And he went to the, be with a father.

He's at the right hand of the father and the throne of David ruling in rain and putting all enemies under his feet.

We serve the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.

Amen.

And that's the gospel that says, and that's the gospel that sanctifies.

And that's the gospel that glorifies.

And you know what?

And he had a resurrection so powerful that other people rose with them.

Hmm.

Bam, sucka.

Well, I know that whenever I was born again, I was sitting with him in the heavenlies

up there.

So what you're talking about there and some kind of already, not yet.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm just like, Oh, yep.

That's right.

Making me happy.

Better go get another glass of chocolate milk now.

And any closing thoughts from you?

No, man.

I just want to say that I really enjoy y 'all brothers, man.

Like, like I really look forward to this.

I know last week I wasn't able to, I had to, I had to go on a date with my wife.

Yeah, no, no.

So, um, yeah, so it was kind of, it was my birthday, a mother's day and our anniversary all in

one.

And the only time we'd get a babysitter was Thursday night.

So it was a great time.

We had a wonderful time hanging out with one another, but I do, man, I really enjoy this

podcast and it doesn't matter if it ever gets any attention.

Like I'm not doing it for any attention, uh, you know, you know, whatever.

I mean, it'd be nice for the message we have to be heard, but you know, if it's just us and the, uh,

three, four people that's listening, how long will you.

Holler back glorifying God, man?

But I just really appreciate y 'all brothers, man.

And y 'all be joining me and, uh, I love y 'all, man.

Love you guys.

I'm thankful and love everyone that's watching.

It's checking us out and those kind words, the questions, whatever have you.

But, uh, I guess we'll close out and, um, hallelujah.

Holla back.

Let me see.

We're having that awkward pause.

Silence.

Why?

Sometimes with this mouse.

Okay.

Here we go.

I found it.

Okay, cool.

Now for real.

Hallelujah.

Hold back. God bless.

Okay.