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Opening Prayer and Scripture on God’s Law

Let's go ahead and get started, okay? Father, please bless this show for your glory. Help us, Lord, to communicate your truth clearly. Have a good time, delight in you, and I pray that we would bless your church in Jesus' holy name we pray.

Amen. Alright, are you ready on the other side? Non-rockabotas must stop!

I don't want to rock the boat,.

I want to sink it!

Are you going to bark all day,.

Little doggie, or are you going to bite?

We're being delusional.

Delusional, yeah. Delusional is okay in your world view. I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional. You don't chastise pigs for being delusional. So you calling me delusional using your world view is perfectly okay.

It doesn't really hurt.

She hung up on me!

What?

Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men. The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men lauding them for their.

Courage.

Go into all the world and make disciples. Not go into the world and make buddies. Not to make brosives. Right. Don't go into the world and make homies. Right.

Disciples. I got a bit of a.

Jiggle neck. That's a joke,.

Pastor. When we have the real message of truth, we cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not. See. I have taught you statutes.

And rules as the Lord my God commanded me. That you should do them in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.

Keep them.

And do them for that will be your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the peoples who when they hear all these statutes will say surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people. For what great nation is there that has a God so near to it as the Lord our God is to us whenever we call upon him and what great nation is there that has statutes and rules so righteous as all this law that I have set before you today.

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I'm Geoff the Comb of the Ninja, that's Luke the Bear right there and we're joined for the very first time by one of our deacons, one of my favorite people, this is Wade Orsini.

Hello, the bald guy, someone said.

Who's the bald guy, that's officially it. The bald guy, Wade. The bald guy.

We were trying.

To figure out like what would be a good name for you, like a nickname, we always have.

Everyone has a nickname, I have a bunch but none of them are really stuck.

We got King Ginger for Marcus, we got the girl we got the bear the ninja, Jerry is. What do we have for Jerry, Nostradamus. Nostradamus cause he's breathes into the microphone very heavily, very heavily.

He puts the microphone literally in his nostril.

Yes, and so we gotta think of a good name for you.

You can call me by my first name my real name, Wadesworth.

Wadesworth, is that really your first name?

No, I'm sorry.

Just trying to show respect it was a little weird.

I already broke a commandment.

I call him sometimes the Waderator. I call him Morsini because his email says W. Morsini. I didn't give the rest of it.

Hey.

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We're grateful to God for you and we're grateful to God for another life saved. That's just one church, one day and there's lots more, so praise the Lord for that. So lots going on in the world today, how are you guys doing in your quarantine out there in the world all over the planet, quarantined today, what's today, today the 15th right officially, is that right?

Quarantine has messed up my internal clock. Is it only the 14th? Quarantine has really messed up my clock. I don't know which day, like my son asked me yesterday, he said, is it April dad, or May, I was like, see.

That's not right, you're like, it's neither, it's March.

That isn't right, that isn't right. So anyway, May 15th officially, Governor Ducey is saying that the stay at home order is.

Over.

But yeah, but the thing is though, there's a way that this is sort of teased to say, oh look, we're getting back to normalcy. I talked to restaurants and they still aren't opening for the next couple of weeks because there are also other unconstitutional by the way, not lawful orders from the top that are saying things like you can open but you gotta be at like 25 capacity and the restaurants are like, yeah, that doesn't work.

Maybe you should take some business classes because we can't function as a business with the staff and everything else, putting the lights on. And air conditioning in Arizona is very important by the way, air conditioning is very important in this state.

Especially now.

We can't run at 25 capacity so I guess we're gonna stay closed. It's almost like rubbing somebody's face in the dirt. Giving them noogies, it feels like you're playing with them.

We had to take a new cat to the vet and we got there and they said we're not letting anyone in, you have to wait outside with like 20 other people and we'll grab your animal, take them in and then we'll bring them back out to you just because of corona so we're all out there in 105 degree weather, all huddled outside no shade, but we'll take care of your pet, and you can't come in, and I said does it end next week, can we reschedule next week, no we're gonna keep it going for a little while.

Oh man, unbelievable sweet, unbelievable.

Don't go there putting your cat down.

Oh you dirty.

No I'm just saying, they're like alright, say goodbye outside.

36 million right, officially the numbers are today 36 million unemployed that number is not accurate because the numbers are higher because a lot of people don't work within the same system as others in terms of like private contractors you know, certain business owners that you know, they're not part of that whole system, tattoo artists you know, stuff like that there's a lot of people just in the realm of not getting employment benefits unemployment benefits because they don't pay into the system, they're private contractors they're 1099 so I think the numbers are much worse, we have now all kinds of reports globally long lines, miles long lines of people waiting just for food, we have long lines in the place we planted a church actually the island of Kauai and it's amazing people looking for food now, I mean it's amazing give this a shot, okay do this, just for funsies after the show today go and look on Google and look up like rental prices Kauai homes, right and just take a gander at what it costs just to rent a home on the island of Kauai, you'll see in some places you have like one bedroom $2500 a month like a studio, you have like two, three bedroom, 5000 I saw one that was like 25 ,000 a month, goodness rental prices are already outrageous, people are already on the margins, they're struggling really really hard just to make ends meet you've got numerous families living together and you shut down commerce in a place like that and they just actually, we just got word from Pastor Zach that they're still doing the visitor quarantine order which means through June so you've got May, June, they're already suffering back here, let's push it out two more months, you have people in the streets in Kauai saying, look we need the tourism industry to survive, that's how we make a living here and you're taking it away from us, we have decisions being made that are decimating people and you might be saying, okay I understand that Jeff but what's the big deal, love thy neighbors that's the key thing that's coming from Apologia Church right now, love thy neighbors there's an S on the end of that, plural make sure that we're loving all of our neighbors the sick, the vulnerable including those who are losing their businesses, being made financially destitute, those who are being robbed of all of their income and it really is tyrannical in many respects.

I was just going to say, Kauai has more, well I don't know if it's just Kauai or Hawaii in total, but has more suicides than COVID.

Deaths, yeah that's true.

And they're not letting anybody go. I know your trip already got canceled, I was supposed to.

Go in June and now I can't go, we had some mission trips.

Scheduled for the pastors, he has to go out and serve the church it's tough ministry out there, but now we've had to cancel all of our ministry, and there's even certain things we'd like to do, like I'd love to go to Kauai and just spend money on feeding the people in Kauai, getting them food, whatever we can do to help we can't do it, we can't get out there and can't minister, we can't get on the ground out there and participate in what people need because you're being shut down if we were to fly out to Kauai right now to serve the people of Kauai when I'm not I don't have COVID -19.

I could take a test, all the rest, I probably already had it actually, I believe I did and Luke does as well. I have to go there and literally be quarantined in a hotel room for two weeks, I have to have people bring food to me, the officials will get your phone number they'll make regular checks to see if you're in the place, they'll send people to the door to check on you, the only place you're allowed to stand for those two weeks is on your balcony or right out on your lanai that's it, no interaction with anybody two whole weeks, can you imagine?

That sounds like prison is what it sounds like, it sounds like a jail sentence, who wants to do that? Nobody, and then all the while you want to go and bless and help other businesses you're being stopped by the government this is nothing less than hatred for neighbor and tyrannical injustice, and you remember okay, what did you read that verse for at the beginning?

Well, because, you know, as much as the law of God cannot justify anybody under any circumstance, you need the righteousness of Jesus imputed to your account through faith, and through faith alone, there is only one way to God one way to peace with God, and it is a gracious gift of God, only available through a free act of grace in Jesus Christ, through trusting in him alone, however the law of God, according to God, is righteous, good, and the nation's supposed to look inside of Israel with these statutes and say, dang dang there's some righteous statutes, like I want to go to Israel where there's justice.

I'm giving you the modern vernacular.

Is that how the Hebrew is?

Dang.

Yeah.

There's a there's like a roll of the, it's a guttural thing, but yeah I mean, you have to consider that the the law of God is good, just and here's the thing, we're going to go into some really cool stuff today, important stuff, but I just want to lay this down in terms of how Christians can think about this, we live in a country that was influenced by the law of God, the biblical worldview, there's no way out of that it's the truth, this isn't a conversation of whether or not America is a Christian nation, all that stuff this is a question about like, worldview influence and you just can't get away from it, Christians escaped injustices when they came over and they were creating colonies, and you've got people now organizing communities and judicial systems they weren't going, hey what do you think?

How should we do this? How do you handle theft? Is theft wrong? Is murder wrong? Rape wrong? I don't know, what should we do? I wish we had a book or something like, they weren't doing that they were saying, oh the law of God says here, that this is the just penalty, the law of God says here, the law of God says here and I always announce it because I want you to go look it up, John Jay, our first official Supreme Court Justice, I love it, because the Supreme Court's kind of a big deal in the country, right?

First Supreme Court Justice, when he's creating case law, go look it up, he quotes explicitly, verse verses quoted from the judicial case law system in the Torah, because that was justice and it was good, and so if you like your freedom of religion, freedom of speech you can thank Jesus for that you're welcome, if you like.

The.

Prohibition against warrantless searches and seizures, you don't have paganism to thank for that, you have explicitly the Bible to thank for that if you like the whole thing of the fifth, the right to remain silent not to self-incriminate you can thank Moses for that you can thank the law of God for that, because that is explicitly a Christian doctrine against self-incrimination need numerous witnesses independent witnesses to bring a charge against somebody, I don't have to help you to create a guilty verdict for myself, I can keep my mouth shut so the right to remain silent second amendment, all that stuff, listen also, if you really like the system of government we have in terms of like checks and balances and accountability like you have like, you know, you have Congress House and the Senate and all that stuff, and like legislation coming from Congress and not the government, not a king and not a tyrant, if you like that you can thank Protestant Christianity for that you're welcome for that as well, but here we have a system that's supposed to defy tyrants defy the ability of a tyrant to take control, to become a king, to become an emperor, to simply just give edicts and decrees and like you obey you obey, listen when, we can self-govern, and we can say protect the sick and the vulnerable, and we can do it self-governing without a dictator telling us, this is how you will do this, and by the way, anybody aware of the House or the Senate creating any laws or legislation about wearing masks or staying at home?

Anybody aware of anything? So there is no law, is there? Now there might be actually what seems to be law, with people ignorant of history and the law and the governing documents of our nation but no governor has the right to defy constitutional authority and say, well this is how we're going to do this, and we'll decimate the economy because of it now by the way, for those of you guys that are new to the discussion you don't know us, you haven't heard what we've been saying all this comes with an understanding that we need to protect the sick and do what's right to quarantine the sick and to keep them healthy and to do what's wise, all that stuff, but let's keep in mind, a 99 survival rate, less than 1 mortality, isn't the black death, it isn't the black plague, it isn't the Spanish flu it is a discriminating virus that is deadly, very very serious, we need to take it very seriously and love those neighbors that are vulnerable like the elderly and those who have compromised immune systems and all the rest, so all that to say, we need to be wise because as of right now it looks like many more people are going to be.

Decimated, dead.

Because of decisions made over coronavirus more than coronavirus itself in the United States of America. So, what do you guys got to say? I got more here but.

No, go ahead, thank you.

Okay, ready to go? Alright, here we go.

Presuppositional Apologetics, Evidence, and the Self-Attesting God

So, I wanted to play. Sorry, okay, I'm just checking the live feed here, how is everyone doing? Good, okay good, nothing crazy going on in the live feed? No, I've been checking. By the way, I'll throw it in in advance.

For all of our friends and partners and brothers and sisters who regularly watch this and are blessed by this, I'll just put it, I'll lay it down ahead of time in case it gets brought up, that's a tricetra and it's a symbol of the trinity.

It's a symbol of the trinity, right there, ancient symbol of the trinity and.

Someone will still pop in with five minutes.

Left. That's right. You want to see something kind of interesting in terms of the hypocrisy, I wanted to show this to everybody because I think it's just delicious. Mayor Lightfoot, Mayor of Chicago Mayor Beetlejuice she, well of course is the one who went, you may have seen her going on national media or heard local media, went national basically threatening to treat people like criminals because they were trying to go about their lives and do things and she's like we will arrest you, we will charge you we will cite you and we will take you to jail.

Didn't she get a haircut?

She did. I'm going to play this. Make sure you guys see the video feed here, this is a clip from the news in Chicago, just check this out.

Lightfoot is teaming up with Chicago's major sports franchises, encouraging people to stay inside even as this weather warms up.

But a new photo of the mayor after a haircut is threatening to undermine that message, WJ's Eric Rung. Live for us at City Hall with that, Eric. Good afternoon, you know the last thing that Mayor Lightfoot wanted to talk about today was getting a haircut and she didn't do a whole lot of talking about it, but she certainly didn't apologize.

For it either.

She's bagged, lashed out and used humor to try and get people to stay at home to stop the spread of COVID -19. Hey Viv, what's up?

You're not bored you're saving lives.

But a photo that surfaced on social media showing the mayor after getting a trim has some asking, what about me? The mayor was asked at least twice about the haircut this afternoon.

I'm out in the public eye and you know I'm a person who I take my personal hygiene very seriously. As I said, I felt like I needed to have a haircut. I'm not able to do that myself and so I got a haircut.

She says the person cutting her hair wore gloves and a mask and the photo that was posted was one of the few she has taken with anyone since the COVID -19 pandemic hit. Earlier today, the mayor was at Soldier Field to announce a new campaign to try and use Chicago's professional athlete's fame to help spread the word to stay home.

Let's do our part, let's stick together, let's stay home and help save lives.

The mayor also says warm weather is no excuse to congregate in parks or on streets. She also plans on enforcing social distancing at stores that remain open while the stay-at-home order is in effect.

We are sending inspectors out, we will demand that you do this and if you do not, we will shut you down.

Man, hardcore and what amazing hypocrisy as well, and just think about the situation, okay so she tells everyone, we'll shut you down we'll arrest you, we'll treat you like a common criminal and then people catch her getting a haircut and her response is so prideful and it's just despotism, it's a tyrant.

She says, well I take my personal hygiene very seriously, as if everybody else doesn't, right? The peasants you don't need to take your hygiene very seriously, but I take mine very seriously and don't worry in the place I got it done, she wore gloves and a mask and you might think to yourself, okay can't everybody do that?

Can everybody take those measures or only you? And it just goes to show the kind of tyranny that can take place when you don't understand law, when you're irrational and when you deal with things with a heavy hand.

That's what you're dealing with, and that's in Chicago that's where your old stomping grounds.

She better not ruin the pizza.

Alright, so okay, so we have lots to talk about today lots to talk about today and well, since we're up to it let's go ahead and put it in here. This is a news report. Pastor Luke sent me a tweet from where's it at here?

I'm going to pull it up. The tweet was from LA, some of you guys have probably already seen this and it'd be good to talk about this. Where's that at here? Yeah, here we go. The mayor of LA tweeted out.

We're requiring all Angelinos. I like that, it's like Brangelina. We're requiring Brangelina to wear a face covering. We're requiring all Angelinos to wear face coverings when they leave the house. There are exceptions in place for small children or those with disabilities.

Okay.

There's no logic.

No, well there's no logic in it, especially considering that you've got various experts disease experts doctors that have announced even CDC stuff, announcing like well, you know, this isn't you know, really ultimately effective and can't really control this thing or contain this thing.

It's helpful in some context, but everybody wearing this thing in some sense could actually be more destructive and you could actually be in a greater danger of some health risks but we're just going to go ahead and just blanket the city of Los Angeles.

If you're going to leave your house, you're going to wear a face mask.

That just seems... Unless you're a child.

Unless you're a child. Or in a wheelchair or something. They don't really matter as much. That's the same with.

I was just, see an American. I booked a flight for end of July, hopefully. Hopefully I'll be able to go on my trip. Like, it said that they're requiring everyone to wear a mask, unless you're a.

Small child.

Well, here's the thing. You and I have taken some long trips. We're talking like 13, 14 hour flights, 11 hour flights sort of a thing. Can you imagine being in a flight for 11 hours with a face mask?

I would kill me. I tried it once when my daughter got sick. I wore it for about 15 minutes. Is it nerf?

You feel like you're going to pass out. You're breathing in all your own air. Oh, it's hot. It just seems impossible.

Moist.

I've been seeing like cyclists on the side of the road with no one around them with masks on. I just don't get it, I guess.

It's in some respects, listen, there could be a certain case, situation where it's good to have a mask, right?

Of course, yeah.

But in terms of when you see people that are driving down the highway at 65 miles per hour wearing a mask in their car alone or they're, like you said riding a bicycle by themselves on a stretch of road and they've got it on it can become the new virtually, virtual virtue signaling.

The new virtue signaling. And it can also be, and you just got to say it, it can also be sort of a symbol of your submission and obedience.

And.

There's nothing wrong with Christians submitting to the government when it's acting righteously and it's God's servant. But there are elements we just have to pay attention to this. We've lost sight of the sinfulness and fallenness of mankind.

There are instances of people abusing authority and ultimately dealing things with too heavy of a hand and controlling things. And there's narratives that are spun and it is true that people sometimes are wearing these as a form of virtue signaling look at me, look what I do, I'm wearing this Selfie.

Yeah, exactly.

We'll save that conversation for later. We will.

And we have Toby Sumter coming on to talk about.

That exactly. He's going to start a Sumter fire.

Yes, he will. Okay, so we wanted to talk about a video, and can I just play this real fast this is fun, this is fun in light of the situation we're in with the face masks and everything else, I found this film and I think it actually speaks to something rather interesting and important.

It's a little Kevin James short film, it's called Out of Touch, you guys see this? It's only about a minute and a half long or so, it's actually really good. If you guys are seeing this for the first time I think you'll really enjoy it.

It's good cultural commentary, I love things like this and if you're a Christian and you've got good cameras and you've got good ideas, create content like this that can actually speak truth, it's actually really important that we engage in this world as well because know this, there's a dark and nefarious side unbelieving worldview that shares things that are not true, not good, and they try to do it in a creative and convincing way so we need to do it back with the truth it's called Out of Touch by Kevin James, really good, check it out.

I can't do this I'm going to die, I'm too young to die.

This is our life now, this is our life.

Now, okay? We're going to go on.

It's going to be fine.

I can't go on, Marcus. I can't do this.

I gotta run I can't go to jail.

I can't go to jail, Marcus.

Shut up.

Oh hey, Ted.

Oh hey, Marcus, how are ya?

Good, we out for a little run?

Yeah, just did 7, might do another 7, you know.

I don't want to hold you up, let's grab dinner sometime.

I would love that.

Hi, yeah.

I got a couple handshakers right in front of me.

Okay sir, are they still in the vicinity?

Yeah, I'm staring at them right now.

Run.

That's so great. That's good commentary right there, it really is. Excellent, excellent cultural commentary. I hope you guys enjoyed that. Alright, so let's we got a lot to get through to you, so I'll just jump right into it today.

Why Presuppositionalists Must Stand on Scripture, Not Bare Theism

Alright, I had a video come across and it's by a channel called TMM. The title of the video is Why Presuppositionalists Can't Prove Christianity. So that's the title of the video Why Presuppositionalists Can't Prove Christianity.

It's about 8 minutes long. I tried to look through a few of this gentleman's videos a couple of them looked like early on maybe agnosticism and then more atheism and I just wanted to do it because the video title screen thing is me, is yours truly.

So I was like, oh that's interesting 8 minutes, I'll take a look Why Presuppositionalists Can't Prove Christianity. If you're new to this discussion when we talk about presuppositionalism we're talking about Christian apologetics.

We're talking about the world of Christian philosophy. We're talking about proof. We're talking about evidence, we're talking about worldview stuff. How do you prove the existence of God. How do you know something is true.

These are epistemological questions. These are questions that get to metaphysics, ontology, ethics. So this is an important discussion and it comes down to Christian apologetics and methodology. It also is a discussion that comes outside of the realm explicitly of Christian apologetics because we're dealing with questions of knowledge.

How do you know something is true. Is there anything real. What is the nature of this what's the nature of reality. So it's an important question because you're alive, you're thinking right now you're watching this, you're assuming things need to be coherent, meaningful understandable, that I need to make sense, I'm not allowed to contradict myself so everyone right now watching this is expecting me to hold to laws of logic there's an assumption here that they are universal, in other words, I don't even know where you're watching this right now.

You could be watching this in Timbuk2. You could be watching this in New Zealand, Australia. You could be watching it anywhere in the UK. You could be watching it in Russia, Iceland wherever, and there's an assumption wherever you're watching this if you're watching it in English and you understand my language, you're assuming that I'm supposed to be coherent, that I'm supposed to make sense, that I have to hold to laws of non-contradiction, and so all of us have these assumptions all the time, they're operating all the time and everybody right now watching this assumes that there's an ethical obligation I have and ought above all of us, that I not lie to you so like for example I don't know much about this gentleman who did this video, but wouldn't it be wrong if I introduced the name of his channel as TMM, and I said this man is a devout Buddhist and he just absolutely loves the Catholic Church, he's submitted to the Pope but he's kind of a weird atheist in that way, like he'd probably go, excuse me, I reject all of that, who do you think you are?

There's an assumption there of an ethic and ought that exists that we have to have integrity, there's a moral aspect to investigation, and another example of that, and we're going to get to the video here is science itself, when we talk about the scientific method, there's issues related to that in terms of preconditions that are necessary to have a scientific discussion intelligible but there's also a moral component to science, did you catch that?

Science is not just a methodology it's not just a methodology. There's a moral ought within the realm of scientific methodology that you shall not lie right? Like how far do you think you're going to go in scientific journals if you're lying through your teeth about something and everybody knows it, you're not going to go far at all, why?

Because even scientists who are trying to appeal to observational evidence, they're trying to use empiricism and the scientific method, say you shall not lie, isn't it interesting? There's a moral component even to the scientific method so here's the question how do we deal with the issue of apologetics?

That's the defense of the Christian faith, by the way, Christian apologetics is not just a Christian thing this guy is again, I'm confused because I've seen some of the older videos newer ones, like I see agnosticism, atheism he seems like a harder atheist now but I don't want to misrepresent him so I'll leave it at that, I don't know exactly where he's at.

But, well.

He's an atheist apologist he's an apologist for his world view. Put it that way, you've got Mormon apologists, Catholic apologists, you've got Marxist apologists. An apologist is somebody who's providing a defense for a position, so when we're talking about Christian apologetics we're asking the question of what's a consistent coherent defense of the Christian world view what's faithful to God what morally ought we to do what is philosophically coherent and what's true.

So we're talking about Christian apologetics, we need to recognize that there are different approaches to the defense of the Christian faith like for example, if you want to talk evidence and historicity of the Bible archaeology, the defense of the historical resurrection, all Christians I think who know about the facts and the history and the evidence are like, let's do it let's play, let's play ball, I'm ready let's do it, let's throw down, get all the evidence out but the question is, is that the problem?

Is that the problem? Is the problem of a rejection of Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord, is it a problem of the rejection of the Bible, a problem of facts and evidences we would say, based upon the biblical world view, the answer is no.