The New Testament Case For Fading Miracles

The Purpose of the Talk and the Cessationist Foundation

Welcome to The Rap Report. I'm your host Andrew Rapoport and we have a special episode today. This is a sermon that I delivered at Kootenai Community Church at the cessationist conference. This was part of the cessationist film and documentary that is being done.

Will be out later in 2023. This conference was held the week before Thanksgiving and this was really trying to define what cessationism is. My topic that I was assigned was the topic of the fading of New Testament miracles.

However, I dug into a lot more of miracles themselves looking at should they even be normative and is the question should we see them today because the New Testament times they faded or is there something more?

In fact, you may be surprised. Now a lot of people enjoyed the charts and all that were provided to help visualize this and you want to see them too, then go to strivingforeternity .org slash miracles.

That's strivingforeternity .org slash miracles so that you could see all of my sermon, all the charts, and also even all the data that I used to develop the charts. So check that out strivingforeternity .org slash miracles and here's my conference talk at the cessationist conference Kootenai, Idaho for the fading of New Testament miracles.

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Personal Background and Early Charismatic Experience

Well I'm very glad that yesterday Kevin started us off with laying a foundation and that's what we're going to try to build upon now is the foundation that Kevin had laid for us. And in dealing with this I have to start by laying my own foundation for the question of the fading of the New Testament miracles.

What I first want to do is start off with a personal experience. Some of you know that I grew up from a Jewish background. Being raised Jewish I knew nothing of Christianity. I didn't know anything of the New Testament when I got saved and didn't meet any other Christians until I got to college.

When I got to college most of the people there were word of faith. I assumed ignorantly that they must know the Bible better than me because they all grew up in church. I did not. And so I was believing what they were telling me.

I lacked discernment and in that lack of discernment what ended up happening was I was believing things that later I would find were not true. I remember when I was the pressure that was put upon us, those of us, the few of us that didn't speak in tongues, to practice speaking in tongues.

I remember as a child my sister and I would be in the store with my mom and you'd hear people speaking other languages, probably Spanish, and my sister and I decided that we would pretend like we had our own language.

So we would sit in the in the cart and just talk gibberish to one another. And I remember with the pressure that was upon me to to speak in tongues that they were like, just try, just try. So I went back to my childhood and spoke in gibberish and everyone was so ecstatic as if I just got saved.

And the reality is that I remember sitting at a Bible study many years later just listening to two men. I wasn't even involved in the conversation. They were at the other end of the table. One gentleman says to the other gentleman that not everybody believes that the gift, the gifts continued to today.

I'd never heard anything like that. And so I went home that night, sat down with the Scriptures, and I read 1st Corinthians 12, 13, and 14 in one sitting. And in that process I came to realize not only was I taught incorrectly, but Paul was actually condemning the very things that I was taught to believe.

I realized that much of what they were saying they took out of context. And I realized that Paul was actually condemning the spiritual pride that I saw in college, where when someone spoke in tongues, another person had to have a word of the Spirit.

And when someone had a word of the Spirit, someone else had to have a prophecy. And so I ended up realizing that that actually led me into a four-year study in hermeneutics, where I wanted to never be taught incorrectly again.

I wanted to learn how to handle the Scriptures, and that's really been kind of the mark of what I'm known for as hermeneutics. But I want to ask the question, why do charismatics get upset? We have to deal with some things.

I said I want to lay the foundation before I get to the main topic. And so we have to understand that this is a highly personal issue when you talk to continuationists, okay? And we have to recognize that.

One of the things we have to feel that just are a little bit too like, hey, this is what Scripture says, move on. But this is something that for many people this becomes very emotional, because this is how they find their identity in their experience.

And so for that reason, it becomes emotional, it becomes personal, and often rationality, you'll find, goes out the window. Not with all, but with many. And so when discussing cessationism and with this film that's going to come out, we're going to see that there's going to be a lot of people who end up arguing the way that many charismatics do today, by arguing that you first have to accept the gifts as continuing to see it in Scripture.

Well, that is a begging-the-question fallacy. When you accept the conclusion, when you must accept the conclusion to prove the point. When your conclusion has to be accepted for the premise. Begging the question is a type of logical fallacy that's based on an assumption rather than concrete evidence.

Defining Miracles as Signs That Confirm Revelation

And you're going to see that with folks. And so let's first start by defining miracles. When we look at this, Michael Aubrey says this, quote, "...foundational to the biblical narrative is the concept that God acts supernaturally with his created world.

Sometimes God acts directly in the world, sometimes he uses an intermediary. Many times the supernatural acts carry with it a greater significance or meaning for the people involved.". So basically, a miracle is when the natural order is disrupted by the supernatural.

That would be a basic definition of a miracle. But I think that as we look in Scripture, it has a more specific meaning. It is not just the disruption of the natural by the supernatural, but miracles function as a God-inspired revelation to those who witness them.

Miracles in the Bible are not just merely the violation of natural law, but they are divine acts that communicate God's Word and his purpose. And so we can see that there's actually a couple criteria that we can look at when we're thinking of what defines a miracle.

Michael Aubrey gives it four points. One is, can the supernatural event be attributed directly or indirectly to a supernatural agent? In other words, this is primary because the agent must first be supernatural if they're going to work outside of nature.

So can they be identified back to a supernatural agent? This is necessary and leads to the second one he has is, number two, does the event function to reveal the power or identity of that agent? In other words, not only is it a supernatural agent, but it has to point back to the agent.

So when God does a miracle, we don't look at the person doing the miracle, we look back at the God who worked through the person. When God raises an axe head in water, people don't go, oh, look at the axe head.

They go and look, look at God. A third thing that he mentions is, does the event have noticeable and perhaps alarming effects in the natural world? In other words, this is not an everyday thing. When people see a miracle, they recognize this as something unusual.

This is not normal. So we're not talking about someone who, you know, gets up in the morning and, oh, my back is hurting and I got a miracle, I was feeling a little bit better. The fourth that he mentions is, is there a human intermediary performing the supernatural event?

Now, this is sometimes in our day expected as the norm that people can perform miracles. We're going to see in a bit that that's not so normal. And it's not necessary. God can do it without humans, but sometimes he can do miracles through humans.

Norman Geisler says this, quote, each of the three words for the supernatural events, sign, wonder, and power, delineate an aspect of a miracle. From the human vantage point, a miracle is an unusual event, that's a wonder, that conveys and confirms an unusual message, the sign, by means of an unusual power, power.

But from the divine vantage point, a miracle is an act of God, that's the power, that attracts attention of the people of God, wonder, to the Word of God, the sign. So what Geisler is saying is that the miracle's purpose is not to be focused on the miracle, but to point to something, to point to the Word of God.

So in short, a miracle is an act of God that confirms the message as true and substantiates and verifies or vindicates the Word of God. So as we look at the the purpose of miracles, we end up seeing that there's a couple of purposes that we see in Scripture.

I'm going to give you the three that Geisler gives, and he says, one is to glorify the nature of God, second is to give credit to certain persons as spokesmen for God, and a third is to provide evidence for a belief in God.

Now Geisler states that, quote, those who accept biblical miracles debate among one another as to whether the special gift of miracles used to confirm a revelation from God has ceased since the times of the Apostles.

The issue has significance for apologetics. First, existence of apostolic sign gifts, sign gift-type miracles today raises the issue of whether New Testament miracles uniquely confirmed the truth claims of Christ and the Apostles as recorded in Scripture.

Second, if miracles that confirm divine truth claims exist today, the truth claims they accompany to be accepted or are on par with Scripture, has divine revelation ceased, unquote. So note what he's saying is, he's saying that the purpose of the miracles is to confirm revelation.

Well, if the purpose of miracles is to confirm revelation, if that's the purpose when humans are most often doing miracles, then the question is, is that are these things that they're confirming still continuing?

If there is no more revelation, then what are the miracles pointing to? We think about the miracles we hear people say today, and we find that most often those miracles that people are claiming point to self and not God.

If miracles continue today, then they should be pointing to Scripture. If they're used to prove, if they're spoken as God, if you have prophecies, then that should be in par with Scripture. We see that many continuationists want to argue that miracles done today, they'll accept that this is God speaking, but they say that the New Testament miracles are different than Old Testament miracles in such that they're not actually Scripture.

They're not God's Word somehow. What makes Scripture God's Word? It is that it's breathed out by God. 2 Timothy 3 16 and 17 says this, all Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for a proof, for correction, for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

Paul is very clear that we do not need miracles for the completing or equipping of our faith. We need the Word of God. He's not saying that our sanctification is based upon miracles. He says Scripture serves the purpose and is necessary to sanctify us.

There is no mention here of miracles. Now, if you were here last night, you'd realize maybe why, as Justin mentioned, it could be because, well, 1 and 2 Timothy are later books, so there wouldn't be as the need for them.

So miracles by definition are not normative. I want to address this because this is going to be a thing that I think in the argument of the fading of miracles we have to address. We look at the arguments of those that are proponents of continuationism and they want to claim that miracles can continue to today and we should expect them.

Geisler gives us four arguments that proponents give. One, God performed miracles in redemptive history. They're recorded from Genesis through Revelation. There seems to be no reason to believe they would cease arbitrarily with the Apostles.

Number two, God has not changed. Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. If a miracle-working God has not changed, why would the miracle cease? Number three, Jesus spoke of continuing miracles.

He said, if anyone has faith in me, they will do what I am doing. He will do even greater things than these because I go to the Father. In his commission, he recorded in Mark, Jesus said that miracles would accompany when the gospel went out.

And number four, Geisler says, miracles manifest God's greatness and glory to deliver God's children in need and to communicate God's message with his people. This needs to continue today. So let's look at each one of these arguments because we need to know how to answer these arguments to answer the question of, do the New Testament miracles fade?

Why Miracles Were Rare in Redemptive History

So the argument that God performed miracles in redemptive history. Miracles are not performed as often as people think. If I was to ask you to give a number of how many miracles you think are in the Bible, I've been polling some people and most of the people are in the thousands.

The answer is there's only 265 miracles mentioned in the Bible, over 4 ,000 years of history of the Bible. When you limit that to humans performing the miracles, you get down to 81 miracles in 4 ,000 years.

Clearly, miracles were not common in the Bible and nor should they be today. We'll see in a bit that miracles were extremely rare in biblical history. Therefore, to argue that something that rarely happened over 4 ,000 years, we should expect to see commonly today, wouldn't be logically valid.

If miracles continue today, it would logically fit that they should not be as rare as they are in Scripture. Past history, as we're going to see, reveals that there's only some 100 years of miracle activity in the 4 ,000 years of Bible history.

I'll give another quote from Geisler. He says, In the 4 ,000 years of Bible history, miracles are clustered in three very limited periods. One, the Mosaic period, from the Exodus through the taking of the promised land, with a few occurrences in the period of Judges.

Two, the prophetic period, from the late kingdom of Israel and Judah, during the ministry of Elijah and Elisha, and to a lesser extent, Isaiah. Three, the apostolic period, from the first century ministries of Christ and the Apostles.

Occurrences of miracles were neither continuous nor without purpose.". The fact that miracles occurred in these three times, and that's it, reveals that we do not see in the rest of history that these are normative.

The real problem with this argument is that miracles were an anomaly in history, not the norm. You never define things by the anomaly, by the exception. But that is what we have continuationists wanting to do today, is to say that this anomaly in history should be normative, that the exception should be the norm.

If this argument was valid, then we would have to see that there would have been lots of miracles in Bible history. The second argument that they often make is, God has not changed. To argue that God has not changed, and we all accept this, every one of us accepts the fact that God is the same, that Jesus is the same yesterday and today and forever, that God is immutable, He does not change in His nature.

But this is a category error that we talk about in logic, where you take two different categories and put them as the same. You see, the nature of God and the way God works with people are two different categories.

So the fact that God is a miracle-doing God hasn't changed. God still does miracles today. Often when you speak to continuationists, they're going to argue that those of us that believe that these gifts have ceased are going to challenge us by saying that we don't believe God does miracles anymore.

Let me affirm this. I believe God still does miracles. He does not do them as a gift through people. That's the distinction. And so the way He works with people is different through time. How many of you keep kosher?

No, you enjoy your bacon. Trust me, having sausage on a cheese pizza is really enjoyable. Some of you don't understand what it's like to keep kosher. But why don't you keep the Passover? For in fact, that was commanded to the Israelites to keep forever.

Why don't we keep these festivals? Because God has changed the way He works with His people. Those laws are not for us in the church. And those bacon lovers say, Amen. To claim that God changed those laws, but somehow He doesn't change the gifts, isn't fitting.

See, the gifts fit within the way He works with His people. God does change over time. Let's look or change the way He works with us over time. Then the third argument people make is that Jesus spoke of continuing miracles.

This argument is again a begging the fallacy question. It's a begging the fallacy question because it assumes you have to start with the fact that in John 12, I'm sorry, John 14, that when Jesus says you will do greater things, they assume that's speaking of miracles.

They claim that the greater things referred to is miracles. They're interjecting that in the white space. It's not there. There's an attempt to make the Bible say what they wish it said, rather than what it does say.

The key to the greater things is tied to what Jesus Himself said, that He goes to the Father. The reason that it is a greater thing is precisely because there are no miracles attesting to what they're saying.

It's the lack of miracles that will make it greater. But don't take my word for it. Let's take Jesus's. There's nothing in the text of John 14 speaking of miracles, but let's see if you turn to John 16.

We don't have time because, well, Jim only gave me 50 minutes, not three hours. But if you look at John 16, you end up seeing that Jesus explains the meaning of the greater things. And He doesn't mention miracles, He mentions joy in suffering.

That's what He says, that the greater Jesus is stating is having joy in suffering. This argument logically ignores what Jesus Himself said as an explanation to what He meant. I will take Jesus's meaning over anyone else's of what He meant by what He said.

We end up seeing in 2 Corinthians 12 12, it says, the signs of a... I didn't put that slide in, so back up the one. It says in 2 Corinthians 12 12, the signs of a true apostle were performed among you with the utmost patience, with signs and wonders and mighty works.

Now, if miracles are the signs of an apostle, and there are no more apostles, the question should be, why should there be any miracles? Why should they continue if the apostles are no longer here? So, miracles, the fourth one that Geisler provided, is miracles manifest God's greatness.

And as we look at this, and as people argue that we need to have miracles today to see how great God is in all His glory, I would argue we have something greater. Do we need miracles to know God is great?

No. We have this, God's self-revelation. What more do we need to argue that we need something beyond what God has revealed of Himself? It's to say that this is not sufficient. We have not only God's self-revelation, but we have something that many of us...

Sorry, let me correct that. Many of you Gentiles don't appreciate. Do you appreciate that you have the indwelling Holy Spirit that not only illuminates God's Word for you, but also helps you in the application thereof?

I say that because to the Jewish mindset, this is the new covenant that Jewish people look forward to, Jeremiah 29 and Ezekiel 36, that we would no longer need a priesthood, because God Himself would indwell us so we can understand His Word.

What more do we need than God's Word and Himself in the personal Holy Spirit? To say we need something more? What does that do to the personal Holy Spirit? I would say it puts Him at a lower level. I know that my continuationist friends would disagree.

But the reality is, is desire for miracles is often a felt need, but not all felt needs are real needs. I mean, Job had a felt need for healing, and you know, when he went through what he went through, did God give him a miracle?

No, God actually never told him what was happening. You know, we could look at Paul. Paul was sitting there, and he prayed for relief. God never gave it, and he wrote most of the New Testament. No, just because we feel a need, because we want confirmation, doesn't mean we get it.

What is the confirmation that John the Baptist received? When he wanted to see some vindication, and what was it he was told? Go to the Scriptures. Look at what the Scriptures say about the Messiah, and look at what is happening with the Messiah, and you have your answer.

The confirmation was not the miracle. The confirmation for John was the Word of God. Now, when we compare this with the periods that prompted miracles, I would argue that there's no comparison when we look to Scripture.

The Scripture provides us everything we need to see God's glory and greatness. Miracles can manifest God's greatness, is what Geisler says. He says, through miracle, though miracles can manifest God's greatness, glory, and deliverance, he accomplishes these things in other ways.

The heavens declare the glory and greatness. Spiritual deliverance is accomplished through the power of the gospel. God works through general and special providence without suspending natural laws.". So miracles are not the only way that we can see the greatness and glory and deliverance of God, and oh, that last one, the message of God.

Suffering does these things. Oh, we don't like to think of that. But so does evangelizing. So does worship, fearing the Lord. There are many things that help us to see the greatness of God, to reflect upon his creation, and be amazed, because in the New Testament times, they did not understand the universe the way we do, and they never understood a cell, let alone an atom, let alone quantums.

We have gone to the vastness of the universe, to the smallest parts of cells, at least that's what we think today, but they thought the atom was the smallest and we've gotten smaller, but the reality is the more we dig, the more we find the wonder of God, because we look at his creation and go, wow, he creates within every atom of your body, with every cell of your body, this little motor called a flagellum that can go from 0 to 300 in a split a second.

I'd love that in a car. All right, so what we end up seeing, though, is we want to look at the nature of miracles, because this is where much of the debate ends up becoming. The difference between what we're gonna refer to as the fact of miracles and the gift of miracles, because as was said last night, so eloquently by both of the speakers, is the fact that we all accept that miracles continue.

It is the gift of miracles that we're saying do not continue. When we look at this, the fact that miracles continue, we have miracles that occur any time, and yet the gift of miracles were limited to Bible times.

They were limited within Bible times to a few periods of time. So the fact of miracles are permanent. They're all the time throughout history, where the gift of miracles was temporary. The fact of miracles is done without human beings.

God does miracles, where the gift of miracles are done through human beings. The fact of miracles do not confirm revelation, where the gift of miracles was their purpose of confirming revelation. And so we end up seeing is that the view that miracles ceased with the Apostles does not demand that God does not perform miracles anymore.

Again, a category error. We argue that the gift of miracles do not continue. And so as we look at some of the characteristics of a miracle, and all this is laying the foundation, but as we do this, I want to point out some characteristics of miracles so we know how to define what a miracle is so we can recognize them.

And when we look at the New Testament miracles, there's some things we notice. One, miracles were always instantaneous. When Jesus or the the Apostles performed a miracle, it was not a partial healing.

There was no gradual healing over days or weeks or months. Now some will point to one incidence where Jesus takes a blind man and he has a partial sight, but what happens when he goes and washes his eyes as Jesus tells him?

It's an immediate sight. So even that one is still an immediate miracle, it's just Jesus chose to do that in two stages. That's unlike the miracle of the healings that we see today. When we see these miracles done today, they're usually partial or incomplete, or as Justin said last night, psychosomatic.

This is in contrast to the biblical miracles. Biblical miracles were immediate, complete, performed on anyone, believer or not. This is in sharp contrast to the supposed miracles performed by people today.

A second characteristic of miracles in the Bible, in the New Testament, is they never failed. And there's a reason for that, because their author is God who never fails. A miracle is a special act of God, and since God cannot fail, the miracle cannot fail.

There's no record in Scripture of anyone relapsing into this condition they were before. In fact, I believe that if that had happened, the Jewish leaders would have used that to discredit Jesus and the Apostles.

However, the prophets we have, the prophets and apostles that claim to be that today, also claim that they're only about 80 -85 accurate in their prophecies. The Old Testament would demand their death for every one of them.

For example, not one of these miracle-working prophets noticed or saw this thing, maybe you guys heard of it, COVID. Not one of them, by January 2020, predicted COVID. The other thing that every one of them got wrong, every one of them got the election wrong of 2020.

They all said Trump was going to be the president at the end of the election. If you doubt me on that, I'll encourage you to go to Justin Peter's YouTube channel, he's got a great video that details all of that.

But that is a major failure. They didn't see the elections, they missed that, they got that one totally wrong. They didn't see COVID and the effects on the government. That's just some major failures, wouldn't we say?

I mean, that's kind of affected the world, and they missed that one too. Two of them, I guess. So what we see is that their excuse will be this, and you'll sometimes hear this, is, well, Old Testament prophecies are different than New Testament prophecies.

That the New Testament prophecies, they can fail, it's okay. So they'll claim, and so we end up seeing is that the workers today, the miracle workers today, have a limitation on the belief of the person that's receiving the miracle, rather than we see in the Scriptures that it's on the person performing the miracle.

They have it backwards. A fourth argument, a fourth credential, is the fact that it was to establish the Word of God. We're gonna see that throughout here. Now what I want to do, and this is, I want to go through the miracles of the Bible.

This is what I found interesting as we look at this. And because I'm gonna give charts and data, this is not very easy, it's not very easy to explain in words, numbers. And so I did put this out, it's on my website right now, strivingforeturning .org slash miracles.

It has all these charts, actually the entire message, with all of the data underneath. So if you go to strivingforturning .org .miracles. So there's 256 miracles in the Bible. Jesus did 104 of them. That's 39 of all the miracles in the Bible.

We should expect that, because something was different with Jesus. This is when the infinitely holy God became a man. The infinitely holy God enters into his own creation, becomes a man, and the miracles he did was for the specific purpose of putting his deity on display.

So that is unique in all of history. And so we would expect that he does a bulk of miracles, but there's a hundred and seventy-eight miracles of those that are done by the Godhead. That's 67 of all miracles mentioned in the Bible.

That leaves 87 miracles done by created beings, six by angels, leaving us with 81 miracles. That's 31 of all the miracles in the Bible. Now one thing we can conclude from this is that miracles definitely were not normative in the Scriptures.

In 4 ,000 years of recorded history, there's 81 miracles that are performed by human beings. 23 of these are done in the New Testament, so that's 28 of them. That's over a 30-year period. So that leaves us with 58 miracles left in the Old Testament, and most of them are done by Moses and Elijah, and we're gonna look at that.

In fact, the total number of miracles, if you take away those that are done during the writing of the Torah, the law, and that first writing from Moses to Joshua, you remove Elijah and Elisha and the prophets, so you take the period where the law and the prophets are being written, you have a total of eight miracles being done in history.

I cannot see how you can make a case that that is normative, that we should expect them to continue. So let's look at some charts. We look here, this is the 256 miracles done by 25 agents. As I mentioned, Jesus does a hundred and four of them, God does 64, and then after that the number drops drastically, as you can see, to 22 by Moses.

So let's look just at the Old Testament. Over a 50 -60 year period of the New Testament, over that 4 ,000 years, we go to the Old Testament and we see that here just two individuals, Moses and Elisha, make up 59 of all the miracles.

Very few people through Old Testament history were agents of miracles. It's a far cry from the continuationist claim that they should be normative today. We limit it just to periods of time, so what I did here was give you, I joined Moses and Aaron together with Elijah and Elisha together, and 84 of all the miracles are done just by those four men.

However, we start to see something in this chart, because what makes those two time periods special? I've already said it. It's the beginning of the writing of Scripture after a period of silence. There was no Scripture being written in the time of Moses, and he starts writing Scripture, and you see miracles.

And then there's a period of silence after that period, and Elijah and Elisha start, and then we have the prophets. Then we have a period of silence, and we have the writing of Scripture again with the apostles.

Three periods of history, three times of miracles, and outside of them we don't see many miracles. So what we end up seeing is that the miracles both Old and New Testament were to vindicate the writers of the writing of Scripture.

Now, if you look at the number of miracles within the books of the Bible, you end up seeing that there's only 20 out of 66 books of the Bible. That's less than one-third that contain miracles. And as we look at this, this is divided by them by agent, and you still you see that most of them are conducted by God, we already mentioned.

So let's limit that just to the number of miracles by human agents, and you only have 12 books in the entire Bible that contain miracles. That's 18 of the books of the Bible. Just to give you a better picture of it, I put all 66 books here, and these are all the total miracles.

And even though that looks a little bit sparse, it looks even worse once we limit it just to human miracles. Very rare. Well, let's look at it in time. Here's a timeline. I took this in 250 year increments.

It doesn't look like it. We see a lot of miracles throughout time, and this is all the miracles. So let's take this and let's limit it just to humans. And what do we see? You see that over, and this is displaying a 4 ,500 year period.

There's the 81 miracles. It's not very often. They're not common. So all of this to lay the foundation for the waning of New Testament miracles. When it comes to the case of saying that the New Testament miracles have faded, I think there is a problem with the challenge.

I think that when people ask if the New Testament miracles have waned, I think the question is malformed. It is like asking someone, why do bad things happen to good people? You all know the problem with that, don't you?

The answer is, there are no good people. You see, asking about the waning or fading of New Testament miracles assumes that miracles are common. You see, so right built into the challenge, we have to first reframe the question, which is what I've been trying to lay the foundation here, the foundation of Kevin's house.

We're building up the walls now. But what we end up seeing is, the miracles are not common in the first place. The challenge would actually be on the other person who would challenge us to say, why in the world would we expect them?

We expected them in no other time in history. It's not that they somehow faded, it's that the miracles are an anomaly. We should not expect them in the first place. So the fact that we've seen that they're rare, extremely rare in Scripture, when we discuss the the fading nature, we have to first say that they're an anomaly.

And what do we see when we look at the other two periods of miracles? I said, as you look down, we're only talking about a hundred some years out of 4 ,000 years. What do we see? After the time of Moses, 30 -40 years, and miracles disappear.

Elijah and Elisha, 30 -40 years, and miracles disappear. The Apostles, 30 -40 years, and miracles continue to today, 2 ,000 years. It doesn't fit the biblical pattern. Why? Because the purpose of the miracles no longer exist.

If you do not have the continuing revelation, what are the miracles pointing to? Now, people would say to God, but the way most people view miracles, I would have to say to self. Because how do we see the miracle workers today?

Look what I did! You get a Todd White out there on the streets. Who's he really giving credit to? Himself. Look at what he did. How do you know? Because he says, pour in the money. The question is, if they continue to today, why did they not continue after Moses, after Elijah, and after the Apostles?