Are the Best Women Actually Men? Or, Should We Stop Praising Pathetic Losers?

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Welcome to Bible Bash, where we aim to equip the saints for the works of ministry by answering the questions you're not allowed to ask.

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We're your hosts, Harrison Kerrig and Pastor Tim Mullett, and today we seek to answer the age -old question, are the best women actually men, or should we stop praising pathetic losers?

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So a little setup in terms of the backstory of this episode, Tim and I were actually planning on covering a completely different topic for this week.

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However, some recent current events caused us to change plans pretty quickly.

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Essentially, if you've been listening to the podcast, if you've listened to a lot of our recent episodes, you'll realize that we've been covering male -female biblical roles a lot over the past few weeks, and that's been purposeful, and we really wanted to do that.

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This week, we decided that we wanted to move on to some other topics that are important and need to be talked about as well.

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But like I said, these current events came up, and we both decided, all right, we've got to talk about this.

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Basically, we made a solemn vow to move on, but then we pulled an equalizer.

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We had an equalizer moment, if you've seen that movie, where we had the solemn vow that we didn't want to violate, but then something really bad happened that forced us to make a special exception this one time.

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So here we are talking more about male -female, how we should view gender in terms of the

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Bible, and it's all because of these two current events. And so if you haven't heard these two current events, the first one involving

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Richard Levine, who is the Secretary of Health right now.

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So he works for the government, very high up, pretty powerful position,

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I assume, and USA Today awarded him an award, which sounds great, cool, whatever.

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The problem is, the award that he was given was Woman of the

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Year. So remember, this guy's name is Richard, and he was given Woman of the

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Year. Hey, he's going by Rachel now, so I guess that's all that matters, huh? Yeah, I mean, just, you know, yeah,

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I guess that's all it takes to be a woman, apparently, is just change a few letters in your name, and all of a sudden, you're a woman now.

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But anyways, he's been given Woman of the Year, essentially stolen the award from whoever came in second place.

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So we have that story that comes out. And then in the same week, essentially, you have another story involving college swimming.

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So I'm sure a lot of you are out there, are rabid NCAA college swimming fans.

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But for those of you who aren't aware, there's a guy named

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William Thomas, who's a man, and he was ranked 462nd in terms of men's swimming, which honestly,

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I mean, that sounds like a pretty low ranking. I mean, there's 461 people who are better than you, but honestly, it seems like, you know, there's gotta be at least some talent there to be ranked sub 500.

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I don't know how many college swimmers there are, but there's gotta be some talent there on his part. But he's certainly not the best in terms of men's swimming, obviously.

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So what he did, he hatched a plan, and that plan was to instantly become a woman by changing his name to Leah, Leah Thomas.

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And so once he did that and started competing against other women in swimming, instantly, he became number one in women's swimming.

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And so he was breaking a bunch of records, winning a bunch of races, and most recently, he actually just won the

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NCAA Women's Swimming National Championship. So you have these two stories of guys who are essentially stealing awards away from women.

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Keep in mind, too, apparently March is actually Women's History Month, which is pretty comical, if you think about it, with what's going on right now.

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Women's History Month, essentially Women's History Month is turning a lot more into March madness at this point with everything going on.

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And so we're looking at all this, Tim and I, and saying, okay, we've gotta talk about this.

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We can't just leave this alone. It's fresh on everyone's mind. We need to help people understand how do we need to, as Christians, think about what's going on?

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How should we view this? It feels like this is wrong on so many levels. And so, Tim, why don't we just, maybe the most helpful place to start would just be to ask the question, this seems wrong on so many levels.

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How in the world did we even get here as a society where we're stealing awards away from women, giving them to men who are pretending to be women, who are pulling like a

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Mrs. Doubtfire or something, and calling it progress?

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How did we get here as a society overall? Well, it is quite the remarkable thing when you think about it that we're living in a society right now that's so hostile to the patriarchy, but then somehow we found a way to basically be giving all these awards that should be going to women to men.

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And so it certainly is a very perplexing kind of phenomenon when men seem to be the root problem of all of societal ills and are now being praised as the best examples of females.

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And so certainly it's ironic. But yeah, no, I don't know, man. We used to live in the kind of society where if a guy were to beat on women in sports or something along those lines, there would be a lot of public shaming, perhaps even a good roughing up that would happen to that kind of individual who dared to do that.

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I mean, I know for myself, I used to play sports in high school.

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And you go play sports at the park or something along those lines and something profoundly different happens when you're playing streetball at a park and a girl comes up and wants to play with the men.

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It's one of those things where you can imagine, and you're not really allowed to talk about what psychologically is happening there, but every guy kind of knows what happens in that kind of scenario, particularly if you are the misfortunate guy who happens to be the one who has to guard the girl or something along those lines or you're getting guarded by the girl.

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Instantaneously, the game fundamentally changes to the point where if you try at all, then you're going to get mocked mercilessly for being that guy who is scoring against a girl.

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But then if she scores against you, then you're going to get mocked for having a girl score against you.

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It's the classic lose -lose situation. But then if you look like you're trying to stop her from scoring, then it's just like, hey man, chill out.

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You're playing against a girl. So you have to basically try to figure out some way to look like you're not trying, but then try enough so that she doesn't score on you, but not try too hard to where it looks like you're trying to keep her from scoring on you.

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And then when you get the ball, you have to basically pass it or pretend like you're not trying very hard.

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The game fundamentally changes. But as I'm saying, we used to live in the kind of society where that kind of thing...

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There was social pressure against a guy going and playing sports against women or competing at sports against women.

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You can imagine just the kind of mockery that an individual would be subjected to if he had the audacity to dress like a woman and enter into a beauty pageant or something like that.

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So we've basically lost our mind. But yeah, there's a lot of things that are happening along those lines that really are quite troubling and quite strange.

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But certainly with the civil rights movement and the women's rights movement, one of the things that's happened is that our societies realize that there's great power to be found in identifying oneself as a marginalized class.

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So with the civil rights movement, there was a legitimate reason for that.

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But then as individuals have seen the success of the civil rights movement, then essentially the logic changed from minorities, whether racial minorities, if you want to use that term, or even gender minorities, even though what's strange about that is women outnumber men.

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But leave that alone just for a second. But then the logic now has become gay is the new black, and now transgenderism is kind of the new gay.

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And then pretty soon it'll be pedophiles and everything else.

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And so there's been this larger project based on critical theory that has essentially problematized every societal interaction and perceives the world in terms of different power dynamics that are going on.

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And so you have a lot of things that are happening along those lines. The introduction of critical theory into our minds, where we view the world through the lens of oppressor classes of people and the oppressed classes of people.

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And then if you can lay claim to that oppressed victim label, essentially then you're going to be able to get societal privileges that come from that.

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And then you add some postmodernism to that, and essentially what happens is that objective truth isn't really real anymore, and all that matters is how a person perceives himself to be.

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So there's no such thing as anything that's objective and fixed. As far as that goes, it just matters how you feel.

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And then the more our society has become more of a matriarchal society, essentially feelings matter much more than objective reality or facts at this point.

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And so largely what's happened is you've gotten to a point where you're living in a society right now where something that would be just embarrassing and humiliating and the kind of thing that society would mock and perhaps you might beat someone up or pick on a girl in that kind of way.

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There is societal pressure along those lines that now basically everything... Bullying is this big concept now that's happened, and everything revolves more about how people feel and protecting the victim and basically enabling a victim to...

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or basically giving a victim just this past basic... Whoever is perceived to be a victim, you're giving them basically just this status of sainthood where they can essentially...

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You're like the chosen people now. Yeah, I mean, you can essentially do no wrong and be criticized in any possible way. And so all these things are culminating into just the broader reality that an individual that we used to identify as a pathetic loser now is being universally praised by society.

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So it's kind of strange. Doesn't that...

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You bring up the pathetic loser thing. Doesn't that feel a little un -Christ -like though? I mean, that's part of our title question, but certainly there's going to be people who come along and listen to this and say, hey, all right, this is obviously...

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You're not being like Christ, calling someone a pathetic loser. So what's the reasoning behind using a term like that?

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Jesus literally never used pejoratives in his life, huh? Yeah, yeah.

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You brood of vipers who warmed you to flee from the wrath to come. You whitewashed tombs.

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People just haven't really read the Bible and they don't understand the kind of language that's actually appropriate for these kind of scenarios.

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But I think part of what's happening is when you think about something along these lines is that essentially there are scenarios where an individual is preying upon another individual that strong language needs to be used in order to rebuke that kind of individual.

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And so, as I said, we used to live in the kind of society where if a man pushed around a woman...

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We actually used to respect women and actually used to think that it was a man's job to protect women. But now that we've smashed the patriarchy, essentially one of the things that's happened is that women are basically identifying themselves as just being strong and courageous and independent and don't need men to protect them and everything else.

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But it used to be that men did feel like a moral sense of responsibility to stick up for a woman and to protect her.

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And part of the shape that that actually took in a society is that if you saw a man going out there and beating up on women in sports, that he would be the subject of mockery and he would be the subject of ridicule.

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And so you have to think about what's actually happening here and who are actually the victims as far as this goes.

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And so you're living in a society right now that are going to label us essentially to be basically hateful bigots and everything else.

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But the problem is that you have to have some sort of place for protecting women. And part of protecting women is to rebuke very strongly these predatory males.

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And that's essentially what Jesus is doing with the Pharisees. He's rebuking these leaders who were preying upon the people at that point.

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And there are no... It's difficult to imagine a scenario that is more fraught with moral problems than the idea of a man essentially pretending to be a woman and dominating other women like that.

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Whatever that is, that is... Our moral indignation and outrage should be directed towards that kind of individual not towards the patriarchy kind of thing.

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Yeah, yeah. It definitely feels wrong on a lot of different levels in terms of...

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You've got the guy coming in. He's ranked 462nd in men's college swimming.

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He all of a sudden realizes somehow magically he's a woman now and he's number one instantly.

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That feels really... I mean, if you're just a... But you don't even know the difference.

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The thing is you don't even know the difference between number one for him and the next girl. Do you know what

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I mean? Explain what you mean a little bit. So yeah, he's number one now as a woman.

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You know, woman, right? Quote, unquote. But then the problem is you don't even know what that would...

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The gap there between him and the next girl. You wouldn't even know how to calculate that in terms of ranking because it's just in a different category in playing field.

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It's probably more like he's number one and then the second place is probably more like number 50.

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I mentioned that in, I think, a shorter episode, essentially, where Serena Williams and Venus Williams were basically saying that they could take a guy in the top 200 or whatever.

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But then there was that... It was a funny scenario because there's a guy...

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I mean, he's essentially washed up at the end of his career. He was ranked 201 in tennis. Harrison, he had a sprained ankle and he was hungover.

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He was at the end of his career, sprained ankle, you know, hungover.

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And then he beats... I think he beat Serena 6 -1 and he beat Venus 6 -2.

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But you have to understand something. Male tennis players, at the top of their game, they don't lose that badly to each other, if you understand what

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I mean. That's just getting dominated. So you don't even know what... That's not to say... You take a comparison like that, you don't even know what they would rank.

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It's just off the charts, level of difference. And that's the same thing happening with the swimming thing. Now, are you just saying that because you're a hateful bigot and you think men are better than women in every way possible?

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Or is there another possible explanation as to why a man is naturally going to be more successful when it comes to sports?

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Especially if he's competing directly against a woman. That's funny. What's funny about that kind of reaction and that's the kind of reaction that people give is they will literally look you in the face and call you a hateful bigot for trying to protect women.

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But then they are literally calling you a name.

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So when you think about what's actually happening in that moment, they're actually looking at you and calling you a hateful bigot for basically calling a transgender male a pathetic loser.

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It's like they have no kind of self -awareness to the fact that they're actually calling you a pejorative.

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So what are the rules here? The rules are that pejoratives are mean and hateful and everything else. Then we should apply them across the board.

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But maybe it's possible that people can do things that are worthy of pejoratives. People certainly think

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I'm doing something worthy of a pejorative. So maybe it's possible then that the transgender guy is doing something worthy of the pejorative as far as that goes.

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But the thing is I actually care about women and because I care about women and want to protect women,

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I don't want men to self -identify as being a woman and then to go into their locker rooms and to prey upon them like some kind of creepy pervert.

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It's one of those things where it's just like there's been... Because we used to live in this kind of society that actually respected women and wanted to protect women, then we've sheltered them from the cold hard realities of these differences between men and women in terms of physical strength and everything else.

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It's not the kind of thing that you really want to expose or put into public light.

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So it's one of those things where when you... Because men do so completely outmatch women in terms of just physical athleticism and strength and power and everything else, it's one of those things that everyone knows how you respond to these kind of things in general.

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So if you're the kind of guy who's essentially going out there and trying your hardest as you're playing three -year -olds and four -year -olds, everyone is going to look at that kind of guy and think, man, there's something wrong with you because you do want to kind of shelter...

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You want to shelter children from the cold hard realities of the differences between those kind of things.

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You don't want to actually humiliate people. And part of... One of the things that's actually happening in this kind of scenario when we're putting these things on public display in this way is that we live in the kind of society that across the board we're trying to shelter women and men from these brute realities.

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And that's why it's kind of unthinkable. I mean, it's unthinkable to think of someone like actually... Like Mike Tyson or something going and boxing a woman.

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Right? Oh my gosh. No one actually wants to... No one wants to see that. He would go to jail for murder.

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I mean, no one wants to see that. And we're not... There's no market for it. There's no market for it.

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And that's why when whatever the guy's name was who identified as Fallon Fox started beating up on women in the

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UFC. I mean, it's just brutal and it's gruesome and it's the kind of thing that we don't... We try to protect everyone from.

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And so I'm one of those people who basically is just looking at this kind of thing and saying, hey,

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I respect women and I want to protect them. And how do you protect them from these idiot males who are operating on some kind of inferiority complex that are trying to prove that they're worth something by picking on individuals who they hopelessly outmatch.

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Right. Now, part of our title question, the first half of it, is are the best women actually men?

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And if you were to go to USA Today or the

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NCAA, right now, they would say, hey, you know what? The best women are actually men.

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You know, that's why we've given, you know, Women of the Year awards out and we've given national titles that are designated for the best woman to men instead.

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So Tim, Tim, what is your take on that question? USA Today says men make better women.

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The NCAA says men make better women. What do you think? Do you think men actually make better women?

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Well, I mean, I'm just one of these primitive stone age kind of people who essentially think that, you know,

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Richard Levine is just a hideous example of a woman and just a grotesque caricature.

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No, I mean, I don't, we're just engaging in insanity at this point and it's just, it's one of the strangest kind of things that you can look at and see that, it's like you're living in a bizarro world here.

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Yeah, yeah, it feels like clown world, you know, to the... Oh, it must be opposite day today or something like that.

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Like, what are we doing? Did April 1st come early? Right, is every day April 1st? And I mean, that's kind of what's happening when you look at the news.

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And the problem is that these are people who are serious, like this isn't a joke, like this isn't just like the worst kind of SNL skit that you can possibly imagine, right?

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So, yeah, I mean, are the best, best women actually men?

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Well, no. I mean, not in any way imaginable, but if, you know, if we're intent upon living out this delusion, then, you know,

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I don't know where this is gonna end up, but, yeah, unfortunately, I think we're in the minority.

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I think that, well, I think that there's a, there's a majority of people know that it's bizarro world and clown world, but then they just are far too afraid to even comment on, you know, the cold, hard facts on the ground.

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I mean, I think Babylon B just got banned from Twitter, essentially, for, yeah, they did.

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Declaring Richard to be man of the year. So, who knows? We probably don't have a big enough following yet to get banned, but, we'll see.

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We're trying our best. That's, that's for sure. But, I mean, the point, though, is just that you can't just subjectively decide on your own whim just to be a member of the opposite gender and, and, you know, you can, you can force people by coercion to play pretend, but that's all that's happening.

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Everyone knows that Richard Levine has, like he's, he's just a, you know, a pathetic loser dude that, really, you know, if he'd lived in a past society he would've had, you know, past society that actually cared about women would've been the subject of mockery and, you know, had some guy friend straighten him out a little bit, but now we're in a society that can't see the obvious.

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Now, a lot of people, they, they argue that these guys are actually women, you know, based off of different,

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I guess, quote -unquote, you know, scientific reasons, you know, whether it be, like, psychology or it be, like, a chemical, you know, they don't have the right balance of chemicals in their body or, even sometimes,

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I'm not sure if this is the case for either of these two guys, but they're, they're, I have seen stories where people talk about, hey, like, in some way, shape, or form, you know, my, like,

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I was deformed when it came to, like, my genitalia when I was born or, or whatever.

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They have all these, like, quote -unquote, scientific reasons for why they can now choose to be what, the opposite sex.

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So, Tim, is that, is that actually, like, a legit thing? Like, is there actual, you know, real, solid science that would suggest that, for instance, a man can actually become a woman or, you know, vice versa, a woman could become a man?

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Yeah, I mean, it feels like a joke. It feels like a joke question, honestly.

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It feels like a joke question. I don't know how you asked that question so seriously.

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Oh, man. Hey, society is giving me a lot of practice with all of this ridiculous stuff we've been talking about.

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Oh, man. Oh. Oh, well, I'm crying. I'm crying.

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Get it together, Tim. Get it together. Oh. Okay, recover.

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Oh, I'm going to have to cut some of it out. It hurts. It hurts. Oh. I'm not cutting any of this out,

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Tim. I'm leaving this for everybody to hear. Oh, oh, man.

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I mean, there's, this is one of the most well -attested facts of science that's possible.

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You know, we did that. You're actually crying. Oh. It's like, it's one of those things that we're going to have to mark this not for kids, but boys have penises and girls have vaginas.

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It's that kind of thing. I mean, it's just like there's obvious physical differences that any, anyone looking at science would know.

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I mean, women have ovaries, men have testicles. It's, my goodness, like, like it's, it's one of the most well -attested facts of science that men and female are different.

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In the beginning, God made them male and female. And so, for, I guess, you know, it can be pretty confusing to be a science denier,

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I guess, living in this society right now. But, yeah. So, there's,

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I mean, there's no, like, there's no scientific evidence to show that an individual, you know, can be a member of the opposite sex.

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I mean, it really is so convoluted at this point that it's just a joke. I mean, it's just so convoluted. Like, one of the things that's happened is that feminism has supposedly taught us that all of these gender stereotypes are essentially nonsensical.

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So, I mean, so essentially that gender is just this social construct. It's just something that we just invented, a figment of our imagination that male and female are essentially the same.

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But then, what happens is that if Bruce Jenner wants to become Caitlyn or whatever, what he does is he essentially claims all of these, like, hopelessly outdated stereotypes and turns himself into a gaudy pinup model.

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That's what happens. So, the problem is that you can't, you have to pick your world view.

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You know, is gender a social construct or is, like, are these gender stereotypes real?

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And so then, you're living in a world right now that basically they only have, like, biological explanations for phenomenon.

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That's the problem. So, if everything has to be explained in terms of some kind of genetic or biological explanation, then you look at, like, you know, a subclass of humans who essentially are, feel as if they, you know, were born the wrong sex or something like that, then, you know, they must be suffering from some sort of gender dysphoria, to use the older language.

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And then, like, it must be some kind of biological problem as far as that's concerned.

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But then, what's, you know, interesting about it is that the more that this, you know, delusion sweeps over society, more and more individuals are identifying as, you know, basically, different gender than their biological gender or biological sex.

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And so, you know, right now, essentially, what's happening is you only have biological explanations that are allowed for these kind of things.

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You can't treat it like it's a spiritual problem. And it used to be that we thought of it, you know, essentially as, you know, a moral problem and then a psychological problem.

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And now, it's just, you know, alternate, you know, biology at that point. no. Yeah, now it's not even a problem.

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Yeah, it's not even a problem. It's just, you know, just, there must be some kind of genetic difference or biological difference at that point.

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But it's all a joke. I mean, it's a joke, right? Yeah, if you believe the idea that a man can become a woman, essentially, you've just become a science scenario.

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I mean, all it takes is just, you know, looking at it in terms of, like, what chromosomes do you have?

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There's only two letters, you know, it's not that hard to follow. You either have two

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Xs or an X and a Y, and that's it. You know, that determines whether you're a guy or a girl, you know?

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If you believe the science, right? Yeah, if you love science and you believe in science, then it's that simple, really.

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Yeah, it's not hard. Look at the anatomy, man. just, you know, look downstairs and you'll figure it out real quick.

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Alright, so the science is, you know, I mean, that's essentially a joke question at this point.

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so moving on from the science, you know, is there any sort of biblical basis for a man looking at himself and saying, hey, you know what?

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No, I'm a woman now. Or is it instead when we read the Bible, you know, it clearly tells us there's two genders, you know, there's only two.

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There's not like a spectrum. There's only two and whichever one you are, that's the one you are and there's no changing it, you know?

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What exactly does the Bible tell us in terms of gender and how our society views gender right now?

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I mean, Genesis 127, so God created man in his own image and the image of God, he created them.

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Male and female, he created them. So, the Bible opens up with these words, essentially,

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God makes man and woman in his own image and they are distinct creations of God and, you know,

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Jesus points this out in Matthew 19, 4 where he says, have you not read, he who created them from the beginning made them male and made them female.

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So, like, there is no wiggle room there, biblically, this is a settled biblical issue that really doesn't require a whole lot of complicated hermeneutics to understand.

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pretty open and shut. Right. God made men and God made women and, I mean, you look at, you don't even really need the

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Bible to tell you that. I mean, my goodness, just use your eyes, man. I mean, just use your eyes.

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women are very different to look at than men and, you know, everyone knows that. You know, even little kids know that or just playing stupid at this point.

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But, yeah, there is nothing in the Bible that would seem to indicate that, you know, there is this possibility that there could be a man, like a woman who is trapped in a man's body.

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In fact, the Bible would, you know, we talked about this in our episode on man bonds, there is essentially, the

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Bible would prohibit men from wearing garments related to a woman or call it abomination. And it's the kind of thing that God acts in judgment on a society about.

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The same thing if a woman wears a garment pertaining to a man, that's considered an abomination and it's these kind of abominations that the

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Lord, causes the Lord to act in judgment and to, you know, remove a society.

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And so, these, playing pretend at this level is a significant moral issue that angers

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God. Yeah. God condemns effeminate men. So, it seems pretty,

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I mean, it seems pretty open and shut. Well, I mean, that's, I mean, that's condemning even, you know, acting like a member of the opposite sex or wearing, you know, so acting like a member of the opposite sex or wearing garments or clothing or hairstyles related to members of the opposite sex.

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But then, if you take it one step further and you're identifying as a member of the opposite sex, like, that's, like, blasphemy upon blasphemy.

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Like, that's next level, you know, blasphemy there. so the person, you know, like William Thomas or Richard Levine who, they're, they're biological men.

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They're just, they're men. But then, And you know they are because they can't have a baby. Right.

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Yeah. I mean, there's so many, there's so many just easy ways to instantly know.

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Even when they're, even when they're dressing like women. And, I mean, you look at the picture of William. My kids know that, man.

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My kids know that. They're like, why is that man, like, pretending to be a woman? Right. I mean, you just look at the,

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Just look at the picture of William Thomas and his, you know, one piece, you know, bathing suit that he's, he's racing in.

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I mean, it's a, it's a woman's bathing suit. The Adam's apple gets in the way. But then, the Adam's apple is what gives it away.

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Yeah. No, there, well, I mean, he's standing in that. The jaw, the jawline, the shoulders, the apple,

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Adam's apple. Yeah. And the fact, and the fact that his, his genitalia is hanging out, you know.

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Oh, I mean, Definitely not for kids. Yeah. This, this one's, yeah, 18 and up, I guess.

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But, you know, it's, it's just clear at every level that these are not actual women.

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And, and it's, it feels, not only are we told, you know, hey, the

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Bible tells us it's wrong. You know, science totally disagrees with the idea that you can change your sex.

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But then besides those, you know, besides those things, it just, it feels icky and gross, uh, to even look at.

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Um, so, so for someone to, so for someone to, you know, go out in public and proclaim these things and, and let every news outlet, um, talk about them, you know, so that everyone in the world knows exactly what they're saying.

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They're claiming that they're actually women now, something that would be totally shameful in any other society, you know, in history past, something clearly, something has to be, you know, fundamentally wrong with you.

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If you're, if you're willing, 319 says they're in this destruction, their God is their belly and they glory in their shame.

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Right, right. So, so Tim, what I wanted to ask you is, you know, for someone to want to say something like this for them to really,

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I mean, they pretty much just changed their life forever. No one's going to view you the same. Even if you, even if you go back, even if you say,

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Hey, you know, I realized it was all wrong. No one's going to view you the same after this. So Tim, they're obviously messed up in some way.

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How, what, what happened? What has to happen to a person to, um, get to get them to that point where they say,

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Hey, you know what? I'm a woman now. And don't you dare question it. You know, Oh, what gets a person to that point?

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Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess you have, um, different explanations for it. So as a society, we've transitioned in, uh, from different, uh, from older understandings of these things and to, uh, you know, there's been various stages along the line, but I mean, you used to call the kind of guy who, you know, snuck into his, uh, mom's room and put on a bra or something like that.

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You call him like a creepy pervert or something along those lines. So you, you, you would use a pejorative as it relates to that.

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I mean, you would, there would be mockery. And I mean, you would think that that's fundamentally a perversion, that, that, that was a moral problem that was happening, uh, as far as that's concerned, uh, with, uh, with the, um, rise of a psychological worldview.

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One of the things that happened was that transgenderism or gender dysphoria was viewed as a mental illness.

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So, um, so, you know, all of these deviant sexual behaviors, they're viewed as mental illness.

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And then that basically, like the idea of mental illness is like, um, essentially some kind of quasi biological problem, essentially.

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And so it's not, it's not moral language, it's biological language that's happening there at that point.

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Uh, and then, um, then, you know, now what's happening is that we're transitioning away from considering it like a mental problem or a sign of mental illness.

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And now we're basically considering it just normal, you know, like just in praising it at that point.

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But then, you know, individuals like Matt Walsh are still using what was funny is like, you have conservatives who are against this, like individuals like Matt Walsh.

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And they'll, they'll basically say that something like, as they're trying to stand against the transgender movement, they'll basically say,

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Hey, this is mental illness. So they're stopping at step two, if that makes sense. And like, these people should be pitied and instead of condemned, like they should be pitied and they need like, you know, professional psychological help or something along those lines, but that isn't far enough.

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I mean, this is a moral problem. Like this is moral perversion. this is, uh, the idea of perversion is like the idea of, uh, something being crooked essentially.

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And it's such a fundamental violation of God's basic design for humanity. That is deviant as far as that's concerned.

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But how people get here is like, this isn't like a biological problem. This isn't a brain problem.

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Um, this is so contrary to the, you know, mental illness kind of view of it. This is a moral issue.

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And I mean, Romans one essentially tells us, uh, what happens. I mean, when individuals give themselves over to, um, sin,

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I mean, when, uh, when individuals refuse to acknowledge God in their thoughts, uh, you know, instead, although we knew

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God, we didn't glorify him or give thanks, uh, became futile in our thoughts and our foolish hearts became darkened.

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Uh, God will give us society over to just, uh, various degrees of depravity.

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And that's the way it works. And so, I mean, we're a society right now that is addicted to porn. and like the more and more that we, um, view, uh, sexual perversion, uh, the more and more we're shaped by it, the more and more that, uh,

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God gives us over to it. So I think, uh, a large, a big problem with all of this is the, the, um, pervasive nature of porn that's actually happening.

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Uh, but then fundamentally even beyond that is that, uh, God is giving us our society over to, you know, lawless and shameless acts, uh, in, in such a way that, uh, basically it's just removing his restraining hand and giving us over to unique iniquity as far as that goes and removing his common grace at that point.

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And so we're rushing headlong into perversion and this is just a manifestation of it. So to summarize, basically, it's a sin issue at the heart of it on a societal level and on an individual level.

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It's a sin issue. Yeah. So in light of that, you know, what do we, what do we as Christians do, uh, to help fix the problem?

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So, you know, at, so how, how do we help fix the problem at a societal level?

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And then how do we help, you know, individuals who are, you know, going so far as to put on, you know, men putting on women's clothes and, and traipsing around and, and demanding that everyone praise them for it.

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Yeah. I don't know that there's some kind of, uh, political solution that's gonna happen here. I mean, fundamentally we need repentance.

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And so when God gives a society over to insanity, uh, to do things that are not fitting, um, you know, fundamentally what's happening there is that, um, we need repentance.

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We need to acknowledge God in our hearts. We need to turn back to Jesus. And I mean, the best thing that we can do as a society is to, you know, preach the gospel, to encourage people to repent of their sins and believe the good news.

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And so there's, there's that, um, I think, um, there's, there's also, uh, along with that and not to, that that's, that's what's primary, but then there's also secondary things that are helpful to, uh, in that, um, that, that go hand in hand with that, not to replace that or just, um, um, supplant that.

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But I mean, I think often, uh, or one of the things you're gonna find is that we're limiting a society right now that deeply lacks courage.

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And we need people to essentially call a spade, a spade. And we're living in a, you know, an emperor's new clothes, kind of scenario, a society wide emperor's new clothes, kind of scenario, essentially where, you know, the, uh, emperor is coming up with, uh, and parading his majesty and glory with his new outfit.

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And there's no outfit to be had here. And, and, you know, part of, part of the way things actually work is that, you know, often all it takes is just for people to chuckle a little bit.

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you know, once one person starts to chuckle, then a lot of people start to chuckle because everyone knows it's insane.

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You know, and I think a lot of us know it's insane. We're just so afraid to say it's insane, uh, you know, as a society and we need to quit, you know, and then take the kids gloves off and we need to actually call it what it is.

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And we need more people who are willing just to say, Hey, you know, go ahead and cancel me and do whatever you want to do. Take away my job, take away whatever.

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But I'm not going to pretend like this man is like a better woman or something like that. I'm not going to,

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I'm not going to play pretend. I'm not going to engage in this kind of fantasy. This is insane. And this is, you know, crazy.

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And, and, uh, you know, God's real and he exists. He made individuals, male and female, and, uh, he makes the rules, not you.

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And this is lunacy. So, I mean, I think the more that we can, um, share the gospel to people and quit being so afraid of our enemies, that those are the,

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I mean, the hope that we have for our society to change. So, you know, courageously and boldly, you know, stand against these things, call them what they are.

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And then call people to repentance, call people to repentance, preach the gospel kind of thing.

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Um, getting a little more specific. I remember in my first semester of seminary,

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I was taking a, uh, family counseling class. And, and I don't remember why we were talking about this, but I think we were talking about, um, the issue of should

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Christians who are, uh, witnessing to, you know, people who have some kind of gender dysphoria, um, should they refer to their preferred pronouns or should they call them by their, you know, normal birth name?

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so if you have a guy who's pretending to be a girl, the question is, should you call him, uh, him or her?

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And should you call him, you know, uh, Joe or Jane? Which one do you call them?

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And I remember it was kind of a, I was sort of uninitiated at that point. And so I remember thinking, man,

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I don't even know what I would do. And I had, uh, you know, peers on both sides who are kind of arguing for both things.

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So it seems like in the Christian world, at least from, uh, in my experience, there's not really a consensus amongst

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Christians in terms of, uh, uh, what they should do with that. I mean,

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I know, I know Christians who do not agree with, uh, what's going on right now as it relates to, uh, gender dysphoria, but then they still would say, hey, just call, if they say they're a her, then call them a her, you know, and you know, it's not real, but just do it because you want to win.

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You want to show compassion to them and, and win them over. So what, in terms of like, hey, we need to help stop this craziness from, that's going on.

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And the way that we do that is the power of the gospel. Well, inevitably you're going to run into the issue of, of pronouns with these people.

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So what should the Christian's response be? Should they use their preferred pronouns or not?

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Uh, yeah, I, I don't think that an individual should ever use pronouns for another individual.

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So their preferred pronouns, I mean, that's just, you're just engaging in nonsense right there and you're butchering the human language, uh, or the

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English language beyond, or whatever language you're happening to use at that point beyond, uh, belief.

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So, I mean, part of what's happening is the left is basically taking control of the dictionary and demanded that we speak, uh, what they want us to speak.

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And so we shouldn't lie to people. This is not a, yeah, he, this is, or this is not a, she, this is a, he, or if it's the opposite, it's not a, she, it's a, he, or, you know, it's not a, he, it's a, she, whatever.

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Uh, but basically, uh, with the pronoun kind of issue, like that's pretty simple. Um, kind of, uh,

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I'm not going to call you a, he, her, or sir, him, or, or say, or whatever, whatever these things are.

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We're just, we're not going to play pretend. Um, and I think a lot of, in a lot of situations like that, you can kind of, um, avoid it.

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Although, uh, I think it gets more complicated in third person speech. Um, but you know, with you, with you, uh, you and them alone, it can be kind of easy to avoid even talking about that kind of issue related to the pronouns.

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But certainly we shouldn't, isn't it kind of unloving, you know, I mean, that's what some people would say,

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Hey, it's, it's unloving, you know, just meet them where, where they're at kind of thing.

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That, that would be the objection to what you're saying. Well, we're living right now on a time where essentially we're being told that we have to lie to people in order to make them feel better.

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And we've done that for many years as it relates to just male, female interactions. Uh, so I can't tell you how many times that I've heard, you know, pastors basically tell a man that, you know, when his wife is upset, just say you're sorry, right?

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Just say you're sorry, even if you didn't do anything wrong. And so we've, we have this, uh, bad habit in the church of essentially, uh, catering to people's feelings and, um, lying to people is never the answer.

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The Bible says the truth will set you free. It's not lies that are going to set you free. Uh, but then we did that during COVID.

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We basically just lied to each other and told each other that, Hey, you know, six feet apart, it's going to keep us all safe from this airborne virus.

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And, uh, you know, this little plastic, plastic barrier, you know,

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I saw some situations where people are having interviews and they have this little plastic barrier up between himself with air all around the plastic barrier.

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And it's like, you have to deny science and pretend like, uh, this barrier is, uh, doing anything at all, uh, to help you.

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And, you know, we've engaged in this mask wearing nonsense, even though we know that, uh, these, uh, airborne viruses are, it's like throwing a baby through a tennis racket.

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It's insane. And so, but then what, what's happening is that we're, we've adopted this broader policy in society of you lie to people in order to make them feel better is what you do.

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And you do that across the board. And what matters is how people feel, not about what's actually true in any given situation.

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so then when it comes to an issue like this, then, you know, it's like, Hey, you know, just, just lie to a man, just go, just tell them what, tell them, um, tell them what they want to hear, you know, quit being so mean, quit being so rude, uh, meet them where they're at, whatever.

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But the problem is the Bible says the truth will set you free. So it's the truth that will set you free. It's not lies.

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Uh, we're helped. The devil is a father of lies and he speaks of, uh, he speaks, um, as he does and his children speak the same way.

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And so if we are, have the Lord, we're going to be speaking the truth to these individuals. And that's the only loving thing to actually do, because I mean, like what, what, what needs to happen is you need to call them to repentance.

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Like their only hope is repentance, man. And they're not going to be repenting if you're constantly, you know, basically feeding into the lie.

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Yeah. So pronoun issue is, uh, fairly simple. I think the naming issue is a little more complicated, but,

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I, I try to make it my policy. Just, I'll, I'll make it as simple as I can. I try to make it my policy to deadname as much as possible.

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So, so avoid the pronouns, but you deadname them as much as you can.

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Yeah, man, like you gotta, you know, I like, I'll call Bruce, Bruce. Um, you know, part of the problem though is sometimes you don't actually know what their name actually is.

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Um, and so then you're in a bit of a pickle. If, uh, now their new legal name is this female name instead of like, um, you know, the name assigned to them at birth.

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And then the reality is that you can, uh, essentially, yeah. I mean, we do have precedent for people changing their names and there are individuals who have like male names, uh, you know, there are males who have female names and are gender ambiguous names and everything else.

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But, you know, I, I think in general, um, probably the safest thing to do in that kind of scenario is to refer to them as like, uh, creepy pervert or, you know, man who identifies as a woman or something like that, that would probably be the, like the most faithful thing.

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Uh, the most faithful thing is to say this pervert over here or this, you know, uh, this, uh, man pretending to be a woman, that would probably be the most loving and helpful and safe thing to do.

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Uh, but then there's, you know, there's, um, plenty of situations that, uh, there, you know, that's easier to say in the

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South than it is in a place where you might lose your job for doing that kind of thing. But, uh, but I would say, yeah, morally the safest thing to do is just to call him a creepy pervert.

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Essentially just saying like, Hey, the loving thing is never going to be to lie to someone.

54:10

Uh, the loving thing is going to be to tell the truth to that person. Right. Okay. Well, what about when it comes to the actual term transgender?

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Uh, I mean, doesn't it kind of feel like if, if you're calling the person a transgender person, you're kind of conceding the point already in a way.

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Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think my, I think it's best just to say man pretending to be a woman or something like that or pervert.

54:40

Okay. Keeping us, you're, you're, you're doing the, the kiss method.

54:47

Keep us simple, man. Uh, no, I mean, I, I, I don't, I don't, I always cringe when people use the term transgender, like a male or something like that, uh, or, transgender person, you know, even if they're, um, uh, even

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I, I just, I just cringe because it's like conceding the point and it's conceding the argument that this actually is a thing that actually exists.

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I mean, and this is not, this is just a person like this is a man, you know, if this is a man, it's a man, if it's a woman, it's a woman and they're just pretending and no amount of plastic surgery is going to help.

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It, you know, they, they are what they are. And we, I think we should try to avoid that term as much as possible.

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Um, and, um, you know, if we do use it, always make qualifications, you know, so -called transgenderism or something like that, just to communicate clearly, but we should try to avoid it.

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the next question I have is, you know, okay, so this is a bad thing.

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We need to tell people the truth as much as possible. We don't need to feed into the lie. So that basically assumes the idea that we need to be confronting, uh, you know, people who are claiming to be the opposite sex, uh, right.

56:09

I'm right in that. Right. Well, I mean, yeah, certainly, certainly there's some confrontation needed.

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Right. Um, so how far, I mean, you know, how far out of your way do you need to go, uh, in terms of that, that confronting people.

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So for example, I live, you know, well, we, I mean, we both live in a town where like, there's, there's, there's, yeah, it's essentially, that's essentially what it is.

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I mean, it's pretty awful. Um, uh, because of, you know, it's a college town.

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The university is very liberal overall. Uh, and so there's plenty of people who are,

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I see guys all of the time who are wearing dresses and walking down the street, you know, so I'll see,

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I'll see them. I'll walk past them. I'll think, oh, that was like, I'll kind of shudder a little bit. Cause I was, it's really gross to look at seeing a man trying to be a woman and failing.

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Um, so in that kind of scenario, uh, you know, should

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I be the, should I be the person who's like stops them and says, Hey, Mike, it looks like you're, it looks like you're trying to pretend you're a woman.

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You're not a woman. I mean, obviously, you know, you have a moral responsibility here, Harrison, that as you're driving your car to stop it in the middle of the road and jump out and say, excuse me, man, pretending to be a woman.

57:41

no, I mean, I don't think that there's some moral responsibility to confront every act of, uh, sin that you see, um, in, in terms of, uh, how those things work.

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I mean, there are a variety of, um, uh, considerations that are happening.

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And I mean, I think if, if there's some, I mean, if there's some moral responsibility to confront every act of sin that you ever see, um, you're, you're kind of in trouble because there's no end to it.

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And I can, there's no, so I don't, I obviously, I don't think that there's some moral responsibility.

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I mean, there's a certain sense in which it's like, Hey, we don't judge those who are on the outside, but we judge those who are on the inside and church discipline, proper

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Matthew 18 applies to, um, essentially, you know, if you see your brother in sin, you confront him, you tell him his fault between you and him alone.

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So we have like, there are, um, degrees of responsibility in terms of how those things work.

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And, um, when you have individuals in your own church, naming the name of Christ, engaging in a clear, uh, uh, unambiguous sin, there's a moral responsibility to, uh, confront that in a more direct way than in every instance of sin that you're going to see in the world.

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And now, I mean, I wouldn't retreat to some kind of subjective, like charismatic, uh, just let the Holy spirit tell you when to, you know, when to brush their hair, when to brush your hair kind of thing.

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I mean, I, I think you, you know, if you love them, you're going to talk to them. Um, particularly if there's a occasion and opportunity, and I would even think you need to try to make like occasions and make opportunities and be praying for that too.

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Uh, but there's certainly some kind of wisdom and, um, figuring out how to navigate those kinds of scenarios.

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But I mean, certainly you're limiting this in a society right now that you can get sued, uh, for doing that.

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And, um, and, you know, Christians need to be more bold and count the cost, uh, as far as those things are concerned.

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And, uh, you know, or we'll just get pushed into our ghettos until we're, you know, surrounded, um, like a lot was on our stripe pajamas, basically, basically.

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So I, I think we need to be confronting a lot more than what we actually do. And if we actually love people, we would be confronting a lot more than what we're actually doing.

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And we're probably, uh, much more cowardice than like our central failing at this point is that we're cowards, not that we're overly confronting, uh, all of these things.

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But, you know, uh, I think that's true across the board, but we do need to, um, we did need to be more bold as far as these things are concerned, be willing to suffer for it.

01:00:17

Okay. Yeah. I think that all makes a lot of sense overall. Um, you know, in closing, you know, is there anything else that you want to say that you feel like maybe we, we need to make sure is said in this, on this topic?

01:00:31

Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, as you think through the, just the topic question in general or, um, are the, the, the best, the best women actually men.

01:00:41

I mean, it's, we're, we're living in such an insane society right now that it's just difficult to comprehend the level of foolishness that we're actually engaging in.

01:00:50

And it's just, uh, it's crazy to think that everything that the Bible, um, advocates for,

01:00:57

I mean, the Bible does advocate for, you know, male leadership in the world and church and home.

01:01:03

Uh, but then we view that as fundamentally problematic. And we think of men as fundamentally the villains and then we, um, almost every single interaction and the oppressors.

01:01:13

And this is just, it was funny is that these, this is obvious. These are obvious examples of oppression by men.

01:01:20

Like, when you think about, uh, these examples of individuals engaging in women's sports, and you think about these examples of, you know, uh, you know, a man being named a woman of the year, we've, we've kind of, uh, lost our mind.

01:01:33

And this is what happens when you just embrace like a series of, uh, nonsensical, uh, propositions that we're like, it's such a mess at this point.

01:01:41

And like there, there's no unraveling yet. None of it makes any sense, you know, uh, none of it makes sense.

01:01:47

And, and, uh, uh, you can't combine feminism and transgenderism. They're fundamentally different, uh, philosophies.

01:01:53

And we're just, we've, we're in insane world. But I mean, I think it, it is one of those things where it's just like, obviously we need to have compassion and pity for these people who are caught up in, uh, these kinds of delusions.

01:02:05

And I mean, they're the kind of delusions that you go, you, you know, you, there's going to be a plague of individuals who have transitioned their gender, you know, uh, quote unquote, uh, there's going to be a, a plague of individuals, you know, basically who have removed any hope they ever have of having children or having a normal relationship with a member of the opposite sex, uh, because they got caught up in these kinds of delusions and they, you know, took these hormones and they've surgically altered themselves.

01:02:35

And, and I mean, it's sad to think about. And like, it's, um, uh, and so,

01:02:42

I mean, we, we should be burdened for them and be willing to speak the truth and love to them and share the gospel with them. And part of that is going to involve confronting them about what they're doing.

01:02:52

Yeah. Okay. Well, I think that's a good place for us to stop overall. So hopefully this has been a helpful episode for you guys.

01:02:59

And, uh, you know, for those out there that are listening, that are, you know, either tempted, uh, to pretend to be the opposite sex or are currently pretending to be the opposite sex.

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We want to implore you guys, to, I say guys, hopefully that didn't offend anyone or whatever, but, you know, we want to implore you, um, to hear the gospel, you know, to hear the gospel proclaimed and to repent, to realize that what's going on is wrong and it's sinful and it dishonors

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God and, and you're in rebellion against him. And you can be forgiven, right?

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Right. But you can be forgiven if you realize those things. If you humble yourself and confess that Jesus Christ is

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Lord and that your ways are evil and wrong, just like, I mean, everyone's ways are evil and wrong.

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no, no one is righteous. Uh, no, not one. Uh, and so, so if you can realize that and, and turn away from, from this evil thing, uh, not only will you avoid a life of heartache and disappointment, you'll, you'll experience forgiveness.

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And new life, uh, through Christ, death, burial, and resurrection. If you can turn from these things.

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And so there's hope there. It's not just, you know, condemnation after condemnation.

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There's hope. Uh, if you can humble yourself and in faith, um, trust and God's promises.

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And for those of you who are listening, who probably, who might know someone who is, um, who is dealing with, uh, you know, gender dysphoria or whatever you want to call it.

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We want to call you to call on you to be bold and, and share the truth with them. Because, uh, if you love them, that's what you'll do.

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You'll share the gospel with them. You'll plead with them to turn away, uh, from these things that ultimately do nothing but destroy in every way possible.

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So hopefully this has been a helpful episode and an encouraging episode for you guys.

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