Are the Best Women Actually Men? Or, Should We Stop Praising Pathetic Losers?

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Salvation in Christ Alone and the Coming Judgment

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Welcome to Bible Bash, where we aim to equip the saints for the works of ministry by answering the questions you're not allowed to ask. We're your hosts, Harrison Kerrig and Pastor Tim Mullett, and today we seek to answer the age-old question, are the best women actually men, or should we stop praising pathetic losers?

So a little setup in terms of the backstory of this episode, Tim and I were actually planning on covering a completely different topic for this week. However, some recent current events caused us to change plans pretty quickly.

Essentially, if you've been listening to the podcast, if you've listened to a lot of our recent episodes, you'll realize that we've been covering male-female biblical roles a lot over the past few weeks, and that's been purposeful, and we really wanted to do that.

This week, we decided that we wanted to move on to some other topics that are important and need to be talked about as well. But like I said, these current events came up, and we both decided, all right, we've got to talk about this.

Basically, we made a solemn vow to move on, but then we pulled an equalizer. We had an equalizer moment, if you've seen that movie, where we had the solemn vow that we didn't want to violate, but then something really bad happened that forced us to make a special exception this one time.

So here we are talking more about male-female, how we should view gender in terms of the Bible, and it's all because of these two current events. And so if you haven't heard these two current events, the first one involving Richard Levine, who is the Secretary of Health right now.

So he works for the government, very high up, pretty powerful position, I assume, and USA Today awarded him an award, which sounds great, cool, whatever. The problem is, the award that he was given was Woman of the Year.

So remember, this guy's name is Richard, and he was given Woman of the Year. Hey, he's going by Rachel now,.

So I guess that's all that matters, huh? Yeah, I mean, just, you know,.

Yeah, I guess that's all it takes to be a woman, apparently, is just change a few letters in your name, and all of a sudden, you're a woman now. But anyways, he's been given Woman of the Year, essentially stolen the award from whoever came in second place.

So we have that story that comes out. And then in the same week, essentially, you have another story involving college swimming. So I'm sure a lot of you are out there, are rabid NCAA college swimming fans.

But for those of you who aren't aware, there's a guy named William Thomas, who's a man, and he was ranked 462nd in terms of men swimming, which honestly, I mean, that sounds like a pretty low ranking.

I mean, there's 461 people who are better than you, but honestly, it seems like, you know, there's gotta be at least some talent there to be ranked sub 500. I don't know how many college swimmers there are, but there's gotta be some talent there on his part.

But he's certainly not the best in terms of men swimming, obviously. So what he did, he hatched a plan, and that plan was to instantly become a woman by changing his name to Leah, Leah Thomas. And so once he did that and started competing against other women in swimming, instantly, he became number one in women's swimming.

And so he was breaking a bunch of records, winning a bunch of races, and most recently, he actually just won the NCAA Women's Swimming National Championship. So you have these two stories of guys who are essentially stealing awards away from women.

Keep in mind, too, apparently March is actually Women's History Month, which is pretty comical, if you think about it, with what's going on right now. Women's History Month, essentially Women's History Month is turning a lot more into March madness at this point with everything going on.

And so we're looking at all this, Tim and I, and saying, okay, we've gotta talk about this. We can't just leave this alone. It's fresh on everyone's mind. We need to help people understand how do we need to, as Christians, think about what's going on?

How should we view this? It feels like this is wrong on so many levels. And so, Tim, why don't we just, maybe the most helpful place to start would just be to ask the question, this seems wrong on so many levels.

How in the world did we even get here as a society where we're stealing awards away from women, giving them to men who are pretending to be women, who are pulling like a Mrs. Doubtfire or something, and calling it progress?

How did we get here as a society overall?

Critical Theory, Postmodernism, and the Rise of Victimhood

Well, it is quite the remarkable thing when you think about it that we're living in a society right now that's so hostile to the patriarchy, but then somehow we found a way to basically be giving all these awards that should be going to women to men.

And so it certainly is a very perplexing kind of phenomenon when men seem to be the root problem of all of societal ills and are now being praised as the best examples of females. And so certainly it's ironic.

But yeah, no, I don't know, man. We used to live in the kind of society where if a guy were to beat on women in sports or something along those lines, there would be a lot of public shaming, perhaps even a good roughing up that would happen to that kind of individual who dared to do that.

I mean, I know for myself, I used to play sports in high school, and you go play sports at the park or something along those lines, and something profoundly different happens when you're playing streetball at a park and a girl comes up and wants to play with the men.

It's one of those things where you can imagine, and you're not really allowed to talk about what psychologically is happening there, but every guy kind of knows what happens in that kind of scenario, particularly if you are the misfortunate guy who happens to be the one who has to guard the girl or something along those lines or you're getting guarded by the girl.

Instantaneously, the game fundamentally changes to the point where if you try at all, then you're going to get mocked mercilessly for being that guy who is scoring against a girl. But then if she scores against you, then you're going to get mocked for having a girl score against you.

It's the classic lose-lose situation.

But then if you look like you're trying to stop her from scoring, then it's just like, hey man, chill out. You're playing against a girl. So you have to basically try to figure out some way to look like you're not trying, but then try enough so that she doesn't score on you, but not try too hard to where it looks like you're trying to keep her from scoring on you.

And then when you get the ball, you have to basically pass it or pretend like you're not trying very hard. The game fundamentally changes. But as I'm saying, we used to live in the kind of society where that kind of thing, there was social pressure against a guy going and playing sports against women or competing at sports against women.

You can imagine just the kind of mockery that an individual would be subjected to if he had the audacity to dress like a woman and enter into a beauty pageant or something like that. So we basically lost our mind.

But yeah, there's a lot of things that are happening along those lines that really are quite troubling and quite strange. But certainly with the civil rights movement and the women's rights movement, one of the things that's happened is that our societies realize that there's great power to be found in identifying oneself as a marginalized class.

So with the civil rights movement, there was a legitimate reason for that. But then as individuals have seen the success of the civil rights movement, then essentially the logic changed from minorities, whether racial minorities, if you want to use that term, or even gender minorities, even though what's strange about that is women outnumber men.

But leave that alone just for a second. But then the logic now has become gay is the new black, and now transgenderism is kind of the new gay. And then pretty soon it'll be pedophiles and everything else.

And so there's been this larger project based on critical theory that has essentially problematized every societal interaction and perceives the world in terms of different power dynamics that are going on.

And so you have a lot of things that are happening along those lines. The introduction of critical theory into our minds where we view the world through the lens of oppressor classes of people and the oppressed classes of people.

And then if you can lay claim to that oppressed victim label, essentially then you're going to be able to get societal privileges that come from that. And then you add some postmodernism to that, and essentially what happens is that objective truth isn't really real anymore, and all that matters is how a person perceives himself to be.

So there's no such thing as anything that's objective and fixed. As far as that goes, it just matters how you feel. And then the more our society has become more of a matriarchal society, essentially feelings matter much more than objective reality or facts at this point.

And so largely what's happened is you've gotten to a point where you're living in a society right now where something that would be just embarrassing and humiliating and the kind of thing that society would mock and perhaps you might beat someone up for picking on a girl in that kind of way.

There is societal pressure along those lines that now basically everything... Bullying is this big concept now that's happened, and everything revolves more about how people feel and protecting the victim and basically enabling a victim to...

You're basically giving a victim just this past basic... Whoever's perceived to be a victim, you're giving them basically just this status of sainthood where they can... You're like the chosen people now.

Yeah, I mean, you can essentially do no wrong and be criticized in any possible way. And so all these things are culminating into just the broader reality that an individual that we used to identify as a pathetic loser now is being universally praised by society.

So it's kind of strange.

Whether Calling It “Pathetic Loser” Is Un-Christlike

Doesn't that... You bring up the pathetic loser thing. Doesn't that feel a little un-Christ-like though? I mean, that's part of our title question. But certainly there's going to be people who come along and listen to this and say, hey, all right, this is obviously...

You're not being like Christ calling someone a pathetic loser. So what's the reasoning behind using a term like that?

Jesus literally never used pejoratives in his life, huh? You brooder vipers who warmed you to flee from the wrath that come. You whitewashed tombs. People just haven't really read the Bible and they don't understand the kind of language that's actually appropriate for these kind of scenarios.

But I think part of what's happening when you think about something along these lines is that essentially there are scenarios where an individual is preying upon another individual that strong language needs to be used in order to rebuke that kind of individual.

As I said, we used to live in the kind of society where if a man pushed around a woman... We actually used to respect women and actually used to think that it was a man's job to protect women. But now that we've smashed the patriarchy, essentially one of the things that's happened is that women are basically identifying themselves as just being strong and courageous and independent and don't need men to protect them and everything else.

But it used to be that men did feel a moral sense of responsibility to stick up for a woman and to protect her. Part of the shape that that actually took in a society is that if you saw a man going out there and beating up on women in sports, that he would be the subject of mockery and he would be the subject of ridicule.

And so you have to think about what's actually happening here and who are actually the victims as far as this goes. And so you're living in a society right now that are going to label us essentially to be basically hateful bigots and everything else.

But the problem is that you have to have some sort of place for protecting women. And part of protecting women is to rebuke very strongly these predatory males. And that's essentially what Jesus is doing with the Pharisees.

He's rebuking these leaders who were preying upon the people at that point. And there are no... It's difficult to imagine a scenario that is more fraught with moral problems than the idea of a man essentially pretending to be a woman and dominating other women like that.

Whatever that is, that is... Our moral indignation and outrage should be directed towards that kind of individual, not towards the patriarchy kind of thing.

The Physical Reality of Male Athletic Advantage

Yeah, it definitely feels wrong on a lot of different levels in terms of you've got the guy coming in. He's ranked 462nd in men's college swimming. He all of a sudden realizes somehow, magically, he's a woman now and he's number one instantly.

That feels really...

If you're just a... But you don't even know the difference. The thing is you don't even know the difference between number one for him and the next girl. Do you know what I mean? Explain what you mean a little bit.

So yeah, he's number one now as a woman. Quote, unquote. But then the problem is you don't even know what that would... The gap there between him and the next girl. You wouldn't even know how to calculate that in terms of ranking because it's just a different category in playing field.

It's probably more like he's number one and then the second place is probably more like number 50.

I mentioned that in, I think, a shorter episode, essentially, where Serena Williams and Venus Williams were basically saying that they could take a guy in the top 200 or whatever. But then it was a funny scenario because there's a guy.

I mean, he's essentially washed up at the end of his career. He was ranked 201 in tennis. Harrison, he had a sprained ankle and he was hungover. He was at the end of his career, sprained ankle, hungover.

And then he beats, I think he beat Serena 6 -1 and he beat Venus 6 -2. But you have to understand something. Male tennis players at the top of their game, they don't lose that badly to each other, if you understand what I mean.

And so that's just getting dominated. So you don't even know what, that's not to say, you take a comparison like that, you don't even know what they would rank. It's just off the charts level of difference and that's the same thing happening.

With the swimming thing. Now, are you just saying that because you're a hateful bigot and you think men are better than women in every way possible or is there another possible explanation as to why a man is naturally going to be more successful when it comes to sports, especially if he's competing directly against a woman?

That's funny. I mean, what's funny about that kind of reaction and that's the kind of reaction that people give is they will literally look you in the face and call you a hateful bigot for trying to protect women.

But then they are literally calling you a name. So when you think about what's actually happening in that moment, they're actually looking at you and calling you a hateful bigot for basically calling a transgender male a pathetic loser.

It's like they have no kind of self-awareness to the fact that they're actually calling you a pejorative. So what are the rules here? The rules are that pejoratives are mean and hateful and everything else.

Then we should apply them across the board. But maybe it's possible that people can do things that are worthy of pejoratives. People certainly think I'm doing something worthy of a pejorative. So maybe it's possible then that the transgender guy is doing something worthy of the pejorative as far as that goes.

But the thing is I actually care about women and because I care about women and want to protect women, I don't want men to self-identify as being a woman and then to go into their locker rooms and to prey upon them like some kind of creepy pervert.

It's one of those things where it's just like because we used to live in this kind of society that actually respected women and wanted to protect women, then we've sheltered them from the cold hard realities of these differences between men and women in terms of physical strength and everything else.

It's not the kind of thing that you really want to expose or put into public light. So it's one of those things where because men do so completely outmatch women in terms of just physical athleticism and strength and power and everything else, it's one of those things that everyone knows how you respond to these kind of things in general.

So if you're the kind of guy who's essentially going out there and trying your hardest as you're playing three-year-olds and four-year-olds, everyone is going to look at that kind of guy and think, man, there's something wrong with you because you want to shelter children from the cold hard realities of the differences between those kind of things.

You don't want to actually humiliate people. And one of the things that's actually happening in this kind of scenario when we're putting these things on public display in this way is that we live in the kind of society that across the board we're trying to shelter women and men from these brute realities.

And that's why it's kind of unthinkable. I mean, it's unthinkable to think of someone like Mike Tyson or something boxing a woman, right? No one wants to see that. He would go to jail for murder. Right.

I mean, no one wants to see that. And there's no market for it. There's no market for it. And that's why when whatever the guy's name was who identified as Fallon Fox started beating up on women in the UFC, I mean, it's just brutal and it's gruesome and it's the kind of thing that we try to protect everyone from.

And so I'm one of those people who basically is just looking at this kind of thing and saying, hey, I respect women and I want to protect them. And how do you protect them from these idiot males who are operating on some kind of inferiority complex that are trying to prove that they're worth something by picking on individuals who they hopelessly outmatch.

Men Make Better Women?

Right. Now, part of our title question, the first half of it is, are the best women actually men? And if you were to go to USA Today or the NCAA right now, they would say, hey, you know what? The best women are actually men.

You know, that's why we've given, you know, Women of the Year awards out and we've given national titles that are designated for the best woman to men instead. So Tim, what is your take on that question?

USA Today says men make better women. The NCAA says men make better women. What do you think? Do you think men actually make better women?

Well, I mean, I'm just one of these primitive stone age kind of people who essentially think that, you know, Richard Levine is just a hideous example of a woman and just a grotesque caricature. No, I mean, we're just engaging in insanity at this point and it's just one of the strangest kind of things that you can look at and see that it's like you're living in a bizarro world here.

Yeah, it feels like clown world, you know, to the...

Oh, it must be opposite day to day or something like that.

Like, what are we doing? Like, did April 1st come early?

Right, is every day April 1st? And I mean, that's kind of what's happening when you look at the news. And the problem is that these are people who are serious. Like, this isn't a joke. Like, this isn't just like the worst kind of SNL skit that you can possibly imagine, right?

So, yeah, I mean, are the best women actually men? Well, no. I mean, not in any way imaginable. But if we're intent upon living out this delusion, then I don't know where this is going to end up. But, yeah, unfortunately, I think we're in the minority.

I think that there's a majority of people know that it's bizarro world and clown world, but then they just are far too afraid to even comment on the cold, hard facts on the ground. I mean, I think Babylon Bee just got banned from Twitter, essentially, for declaring Richard to be man of the year.

So who knows? We probably don't have a big enough following yet to get banned. But we'll see. We're trying our best. That's for sure. But, I mean, the point, though, is just that you can't just subjectively decide on your own whim just to be a member of the opposite gender.

And you can force people by coercion to play pretend, but that's all that's happening. Everyone knows that Richard Levine has he's just a pathetic loser dude that really if he lived in a past society, he would have had a past society that actually cared about women would have been the subject of mockery and had some guy friend straighten him out a little bit.

But now we're in a society that can't see the obvious.

Science, Biology, and the Myth of Sex Change

Now, a lot of people, they argue that these guys are actually women based off of different, I guess, quote-unquote, scientific reasons, whether it be psychology or it be a chemical. They don't have the right balance of chemicals in their body.

Even sometimes I'm not sure if this is the case for either of these two guys, but I have seen stories where people talk about, hey, in some way, shape, or form, I was deformed when it came to my genitalia when I was born or whatever.

They have all these quote-unquote scientific reasons for why they can now choose to be the opposite sex. So, Tim, is that actually a legit thing? Is there actual, real, solid science that would suggest that, for instance, a man can actually become a woman or vice versa, a woman could become a man?

Yeah, I mean It feels like a joke. It feels like a joke question, honestly. It feels like a joke question.

I don't know how you ask that question so seriously.

Oh, man. Hey, society is giving me a lot of practice with all of this ridiculous stuff we've been talking about. Oh, man. Well, I'm crying. Get it together, Tim. Get it together. Okay. Recover. I'm going to have to cut some of it out.

It hurts. It hurts. I'm not cutting any of this out, Tim. I'm leaving this for everybody to hear.

Oh, man. I mean, there's like This is one of the most well-attested facts of science that's possible.

You know, we did that You're actually crying.

It's like It's one of those things that we're going to have to mark this not for kids, but boys have penises and girls have vaginas. It's that kind of thing. I mean, it's just like there's obvious physical differences that anyone looking at science would know.

I mean, women have ovaries. Men have testicles. My goodness. It's one of the most well-attested facts of science that men and females are different. In the beginning, God made them male and female. I guess it can be pretty confusing to be a science denier, I guess, living in this society right now.

But, yeah. I mean, there's no scientific evidence to show that an individual can be a member of the opposite sex. I mean, it really is so convoluted at this point that it's just a joke. I mean, it's just so convoluted.

One of the things that's happened is that feminism has supposedly taught us that all of these gender stereotypes are essentially nonsensical. So, essentially, gender is just this social construct. It's just something that we just invented, a figment of our imagination that male and female are essentially the same.

But then what happens is that if Bruce Jenner wants to become Caitlyn or whatever, what he does is he essentially claims all of these hopelessly outdated stereotypes and turns himself into a gaudy pinup model.

That's what happens. But the problem is that you have to pick your worldview. Is gender a social construct or are these gender stereotypes real? And so then you're living in a world right now that basically they only have biological explanations for phenomenon.

That's the problem. So if everything has to be explained in terms of some kind of genetic or biological explanation, then you look at a subclass of humans who essentially feel as if they were born the wrong sex or something like that, then they must be suffering from some sort of gender dysphoria to use the older language.

And then it must be some kind of biological problem as far as that's concerned. But then what's interesting about it is that the more that this delusion sweeps over society, more and more individuals are identifying as basically different gender than their biological gender or biological sex.

And so right now, essentially what's happening is you only have biological explanations that are allowed for these kind of things. You can't treat it like it's a spiritual problem. And it used to be that we thought of it essentially as a moral problem and then a psychological problem, and now it's just alternate biology at that point.

Yeah, now it's not even a problem. Yeah, it's not even a problem. It's just there must be some kind of genetic difference or biological difference at that point. But it's all a joke. I mean, it's a joke, right?

Yeah, if you believe the idea that a man can become a woman, essentially you've just become a science denier. I mean, all it takes is just looking at it in terms of what chromosomes you have. There's only two letters.

It's not that hard to follow. You either have two X's or an X and a Y, and that's it. That determines whether you're a guy or a girl. If you believe the science, right? Yeah, if you love science and you believe in science, then it's that simple, really.

Yeah, it's not hard. Look at the anatomy, man. Yeah, just look downstairs and you'll figure it out real quick. All right, so the science is I mean, that's essentially a joke question at this point.

Genesis 1:27, Matthew 19, and the Biblical Design of Male and Female

Okay. All right, so moving on from the science, is there any sort of biblical basis for a man looking at himself and saying, hey, you know what? No, I'm a woman now. Or is it instead when we read the Bible, it clearly tells us there's two genders.

There's only two. There's not like a spectrum. There's only two, and whichever one you are, that's the one you are, and there's no changing it. What exactly does the Bible tell us in terms of gender and how our society views gender right now?

Yeah, I mean, Genesis 127, so God created man in his own image. In the image of God, he created them. Male and female, he created them. So the Bible opens up with these words, essentially. God makes man and woman in his own image, and they are distinct creations of God.

Jesus points this out in Matthew 19, where he says, Have you not read? He who created them from the beginning made them male and made them female. So there is no wiggle room there biblically. This is a settled biblical issue that really doesn't require a whole lot of complicated hermeneutics to understand.

Yeah, pretty open and shut. Right. God made men and God made women. And I mean, look at you don't even really need the Bible to tell you that. I mean, my goodness, just use your eyes, man. I mean, use your eyes.

Like, women are very different to look at than men, and everyone knows that. Even little kids know that. Or just plain stupid at this point. But yeah, there's nothing in the Bible that would seem to indicate that there's this possibility that there could be a woman who's trapped in a man's body.

In fact, the Bible would we talked about this in our episode on men bonds. But there's essentially the Bible would prohibit men from wearing garments related to a woman or call it abomination. And it's the kind of thing that God acts in judgment on a society about.

The same thing if a woman wears a garment pertaining to a man, that's considered an abomination. And it's these kind of abominations that the Lord it causes the Lord to act in judgment and to remove a society.

And so these playing pretend at this level is a significant moral issue that angers God.

Right. Yeah, God condemns effeminate men. So it seems pretty I mean, it seems pretty open and shut.

Well, I mean, that's condemning even acting like a member of the opposite sex or wearing or hairstyles related to members of the opposite sex. But then if you take it one step further and you're identifying as a member of the opposite sex, that's blasphemy upon blasphemy.

That's next level blasphemy there.

So the person like William Thomas or Richard Levine who they're biological men. They're just they're men.

And you know they are because they can't have a baby.

Right, yeah. I mean, there's so many there's so many just easy ways to instantly know, even when they're dressing like women. And I mean, you look at the picture of William

My kids know that, man. My kids know that. They're like, why is that man like pretending to be a woman?

Right. I mean, you just look at the Hateful bayot kids. Just look at the picture of William Thomas and his one-piece bathing suit that he's racing in. I mean, it's a woman's bathing suit. The Adam's apple gives it away.

But then the Adam's apple is what gives it away. Yeah. No.

I mean, he's standing in the The jawline, the shoulders, the Adam's apple.

Yeah, and the fact that his genitalia is hanging out. It's definitely not for kids. Yeah, this one's 18 and up, I guess. But it's just clear at every level that these are not actual women. And it feels not only are we told, hey, the Bible tells us it's wrong.

Science totally disagrees with the idea that you can change your sex. But then besides those things, it just feels icky and gross to even look at. So for someone to go out in public and proclaim these things and let every news outlet talk about them so that everyone in the world knows exactly what they're saying, they're claiming that they're actually women now, something that would be totally shameful in any other society in history past, something has to be fundamentally wrong with you if you're willing

Yeah, that's what Philippians 3 .19 says. They're in this destruction. Their God is their belly, and they glory in their shame. Right, right.

How a Society Gets Given Over to Perversion

So, Tim, what I wanted to ask you is for someone to want to say something like this, for them to really I mean, pretty much just change their life forever. No one's going to view you the same. Even if you go back, even if you say, hey, I realized it was all wrong.

No one's going to view you the same after this. So, Tim, they're obviously messed up in some way. What happened? What has to happen to a person to get them to that point where they say, hey, you know what?

I'm a woman now, and don't you dare question it. What gets a person to that point?

Yeah, well, I mean, I guess you have different explanations for it. So, as a society, we've transitioned from older understandings of these things into there's been various stages along the line. But, I mean, you used to call the kind of guy who snuck into his mom's room and put on her bra or something like that, you'd call him like a creepy pervert or something along those lines.

So you would use a pejorative as it relates to that. I mean, there would be mockery. I mean, you would think that that's fundamentally a perversion, that that was a moral problem that was happening as far as that's concerned.

With the rise of the psychological world view, one of the things that happened was that transgenderism or gender dysphoria was viewed as a mental illness. So all of these deviant sexual behaviors, they're viewed as mental illness.

And then that basically like the idea of mental illness is like essentially some kind of quasi-biological problem, essentially. And so it's not moral language, it's biological language that's happening there at that point.

And then now what's happening is that we're transitioning away from considering it like a mental problem or a sign of mental illness, and now we're basically considering it just normal, just emprising it at that point.

But then individuals like Matt Walsh are still using what's funny is you have conservatives who are against this, individuals like Matt Walsh, and they'll basically say that something like as they're trying to stand against the transgender movement, they'll basically say, hey, this is mental illness.

So they're stopping at step two, if that makes sense. And these people should be pitied instead of condemned. They should be pitied, and they need professional psychological help or something along those lines.

But that isn't far enough. I mean, this is a moral problem. This is moral perversion. The idea of perversion is like the idea of something being crooked, essentially. And it's such a fundamental violation of God's basic design for humanity that it's deviant as far as that's concerned.