More Evangelical Reactions to Trump & The Democrats Resistance Plan

We are live now on the conversations that matter podcast. I'm your host John Harris. I hope you are all having a wonderful day. I have been traveling for over a week, which is one of the reasons I haven't been able to do as many podcasts.

But here I am on a Saturday. I know many of you are out doing things and you'll probably listen to this next week. But I can already see people coming into the stream. If you have any questions or comments or cries of outrage you can feel free to share those on Facebook YouTube or X where I will see the comment as we stream.

There's a lot we can talk about today and this episode has the potential to be either very long or about an hour and I'm gonna try to keep it towards that hour if I can. We'll see how far we get because there's a lot that we could talk about.

I want to talk about obviously post election stuff and There's so many different directions we can go. I'm gonna let some of the comments that come in Actually help me decide which direction would be prudent to go in but I do have some some things I want to play for you that will Steer this so I have a few reactions to the election that I want to talk to you about one that people online have been talking about regarding Russell Moore Curtis Chang and.

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Think it's David French talking about The election and their reaction to it. They recorded it the day after so In fact, I think one of the patrons at patreon .com forward slash worldview conversation if you want to be a supporter of this podcast one of the patrons had asked me if there was a Reaction to from Russell Moore specifically to the election.

I said, I don't think there is actually there's. I haven't seen anything on X or Social-media. No one sent anything to me. Well, this is I guess the reaction is this particular podcast that was recorded.

So. And then we're gonna talk a little bit about some Southern Baptist reactions to this. I'm finding something very interesting in the Southern Baptist camp that you can take as encouraging or you can be cynical about and Think that this is more of a self-preservation strategy.

I would love to be optimistic about this. I really would. I'm having trouble though because of the last few years and so I I sense a strategy going on here but we'll talk about it and Of course, it's regarding their reaction to the election I think there's a realization that hey when we try to get people to not support Donald Trump it didn't exactly work the way we thought and since I this is my unadulterated opinion here, but because the Southern Baptist leaders are primarily fairly unimpressive people who aren't your leader types their managerial elites who end up in these positions mainly because They have connections and relationships and stroke each other's egos.

Sorry, that's just from watching this over the course of years and going to a Southern Baptist seminary.

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The they are not ones to enjoy when their opinions are disregarded and They will well, I would say better drill elites in general are like this if there's a super clear Pushback or Lack of acceptance of their views.

They're not going to admit wrong. Generally, they're not going to put aside they're not gonna say I'm a failed leader and then go do something else or I'm wasting my time here they're going to regroup and figure out ways to push the needle and they'll do it in more subversive ways perhaps or they might you know change their messaging and Anyway, that's what we're gonna talk about a little bit.

I see some of that kind of thing I think happening, but I'll let you decide it's up to you what you think about some of the clips. I'm gonna Play for you. We already got some comments. Good morning, John.

Good morning stormy squad. I voted for Trump, but he needs Christ. Absolutely says coffee and Calvinism. Did you vote to punish David French? Well, I joked about it online because Who was it now someone had posted online that no one votes to punish David French and then I think I was one of the first ones who's like who wrote I voted for to punish David French as obviously a joke.

But I'm absolutely on the other side of David French and just having listened to his podcast I listen to these things so you don't have to I think I've consumed way more material from leftists. Like it's not even a comparison as opposed to What I would consider more Orthodox Christians political conservatives.

I've just imbibed much more leftism in my life. Because of education because of what I do on the podcast so listening to David French once again, I am reminded I am definitely on the opposite side of him in just about every single way.

So Yes, I want his side to lose. There is no doubt about that. Have you thanked on your uneducated Gen X or white women for pushing Trump's win. Yeah, everyone's uh, um, everyone's out there trying to claim the demographic of that they're Normally that they belong to is responsible for the Trump win.

So if you're Latino, you're very proud that Latinos broke a little harder for Trump now still, you know I've pointed this out. Look a lot of these demographics that they're claiming. Hey Trump made inroads.

That's great, but They also voted more for Harris like they were a net negative on the Trump campaign. So it's good to make inroads into those groups. But yeah, of course women In general, I think still single women.

I know for sure voted against Trump and for Harris and It was I think I wrote on the other day on X that you know the the base groups like the groups that political organizations pull for because they have to form political strategies to Target these different groups and you know form their messaging the groups that we can identify.

We're pro Trump. We're a net positive on Trump. So in other words without them there would not have been a Trump victory. Are Gen Xers are white people in general men and women are Men in general are Working-class people so, you know the level of education matters in this so more college-educated the more they're likely to vote for Harris.

Middle-class socio-economic brackets favored Trump. So, I mean these are this is the breakdown families favored Trump if you were married that made a huge difference. I've seen some of those charts of Women who are married versus women who are single and it's like night and day women who are married voted for Trump.

Women who are single voted for Harris and The vote for Harris was in large margins. If you were an evangelical Christian, of course, you voted for Trump. If you're Catholic I think you were a little more likely to vote for Trump not quite as much as an evangelical or a Protestant Christian if you were Jewish you like 80 voted for Harris.

If you were a member of a historically black denomination Harris, you know, so like there's these very.

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Guess ranging from you know minor like Hispanic men I think we're some they were right on the cusp there of like the 50 but Hispanics overall or Latinos I think that's the word they're using now Latinos overall Voted for Harris.

So there's groups that it's like kind of on the pivot there they're Becoming or they are more winnable. Depending on the messaging that year and the conditions that year and then there's groups that are just there in the tank, right?

And so evangelical Christians still 81 for Trump. They're still in the tank for the Republicans. They're still part of the Republican base and without them. You wouldn't have Donald Trump as the president.

So anyway. Yeah, white dudes for Harris John Harris, that's right. I'm just gonna pretend that all those white dudes for Harris were just supporting me. That's what was going on there the groups breaking for Trump contributed to the popular vote lending credibility.

But it's way too early to get excited that only 75 of a group voted for Harris instead of 91 Yeah, I mean they're still like look you look at these numbers and it's still like thank the Lord thank you so much that we avoided this iceberg and We can actually hopefully get some things done.

I'm actually pretty optimistic about Round two here just because of all the things that Trump's been through. I think he's he's learned I would learn I think most people would learn from it who your friends and enemies are and I think he's got Some better people around him than he did before so I'm hopeful about it.

But yeah, I mean, it's still absurd that someone like Harris or someone like Biden would even approach the possibility of winning the presidency and.

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Think it's more absurd that there's certain Christian quote-unquote leaders out there who seem to think that was the better option. That's insane to me. But of course they would look at me and say that you know, I'm insane for thinking the way I think.

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Ray says Evangelical Christian. Oh, I happen to be Hispanic male married with kids. My wife is white and voted for Trump. Yeah, I mean look many such cases many such cases. There's obviously members of all kinds of groups that voted for Trump.

Can we expect Harris campaigning in 2025. Well, that's what Jesse water says that she I don't know about 2025 but Approaching the next election. She's gonna try to run again, which I think is just rich.

I don't see that going anywhere, but who knows? Alright, let's let's talk about. Let's talk about the things that I've set out to talk about in this podcast. I have a number of clips to play for you. And if I hadn't mentioned it already, we're gonna end with Rachel Maddow and They clip from her.

I'm kind of torn on whether to play the whole thing for you. I just don't want this podcast to be super long, but she lays out the strategy for the Democrats going forward and I think this is The strategy.

I think this is what they're going to do and It may not surprise you but I think it's interesting to hear from their perspective to get a little inside. Scoop into okay. They've been thoroughly lashed on a national level and Surprisingly, we haven't seen a lot of protests out there.

I think I'm we're still wondering whether there may be some closer to the inauguration, but What are they going to do? How are they gonna try to get back into power because they're obsessed with power.

That's and and you know, they should value power. But they're like that's their life is about power many of these people and so how are they going to get back into power? That's a big question. And so we need to understand their thinking to be able to counteract it.

So this is gonna be I think it very important moving forward. So we'll end with that. But before we get there, let's just start well off with what I think a lot of people want me to talk about. Which is this?

Curtis Chang. As I understand it. Russell Moore and David French. Those are the three on this particular podcast. I listened to it as I was blowing some leaves outside. So that I would I would know what clips were the best to play for you.

What timestamps? Let's start with the first question. The first question here is Curtis basically saying how are you doing emotionally and I have it struck me just listening to these things.

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How effeminate these guys come across and I can't exactly quantify to you Everything that I'm sensing as I listen but it is I mean the introspection on how they feel and the therapy that they must go through in order to survive this cataclysmic event of a Trump victory is just Hard to listen to coming from guys.

I it really sounds like it is more of a feminine driven podcast and I mean the stereotype there's a reason that stereotype is there of Left leftist men being more quote-unquote soy boys or just more sensitive and in tune with their their feelings.

We have feelings we we should be I think. Crying at times and laughing at times and there's a time for everything Under heaven, that's not what I'm talking about. There's just a Sensitivity that is palpable with these guys.

Where like I wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with them really especially Curtis. And so that's the first question of this podcast. So let me Let's get to Russell Moore talks about how he's exhausted emotionally.

I keep hearing that word. Jamar Tisby said the same. I'm just exhausted just exhausted. You don't hear conservatives talk like that as much when they meet political defeat but you know, even though we are tired right, but we're just so exhausted and then David French comes in and Let's see.

Let's start here about eight minutes into the podcast. All right, that's the intro. Let's go about eight minutes in here.

And we'll start playing it be fine. We're gonna be fine. But there's a lot of vulnerable people out there who are not gonna be fine. And so I just sort of thought of it in this two ways. One is Defend the vulnerable.

I mean, this is literally what I'm writing right now Defend the vulnerable and Speak the truth. Yeah, and so I feel like if we've given to despair that's gonna lead us to retreat into our own.

Sort of art. So there's David French talking the talking everyone off the ledge like you can't despair. You have to just pick yourself up. We got to keep going. He talks about Dehumanization and the Trump regime or administration is going to Symbolize.

We're actually not even saying it's symbolic like they're going to actually represent a Dehumanization regime of some kind. There's gonna be these people I think immigrants primarily and Ukrainians is who he's talking about.

That you know, they've lost their humanity because Trump's in office and we just need to be about helping them. So he talks about that and then Curtis chain has this rich moment here, I'm gonna fast-forward a little bit.

Let's just listen to this help people navigate this spiritually. David's putting on his political hat. How do we defend the vulnerable? I'm sorry guys I'm still wallowing in my feelings right now. I was trying to catalog my feelings yesterday and I Forgive me, but I was I was like journaling about this and they all start with a You can't take the pastor out of me the alliterative sermonizing this is this was my this was my emotional journey, so I started in anxiety and The way I dealt with my anxiety at around 5 p .m.

Was I went into big avoidance mode? I spent probably about two hours just Digitizing my photos putting out my bookshelf Clearing out the garage. I mean this election I think was a disaster for our country, but it did wonders for my to-do list.

I was I Just plowed through it as a matter of words then around when I saw what was happening I felt a surge of anger and Then I felt like a surge. I was like what's behind that anger? Like I wanted I was just wanting to blame people for this outcome and then I like I'm actually feeling like anguish I'm feeling sadness.

As David I think especially immigrants the people of Ukraine Yes. Yes our planet not in terms of our future generations. I was feeling anguish for my daughters who I know are Growing up as young women who who I've been who interpreted this election result as a rejection of Women at some level and and I give you a bequeathing of them a world of it feels like despairing to them.

So I was feeling with anguish of that and then I I ended last night. Well, I actually didn't end there, but I got to a place of just also I guess the best word I could put it was alienation. I just felt like this my country like what does it mean that this is my country and and this is my And my so many of my fellow Christians Help produce this result so I was just the whole gamut and I think I'm still sorting through the combination of anxiety.

Okay, I can't do it anymore. I just can't do it. So this is the navel gazing type. It's just Introspective it's weird because like you listen to a political talk show you listen to like this show and I will I will at times I mean we had a devastation last year when my wife's mother died.

I mean, I will at times be Come to you with some emotions and I mean that's a normal human thing, but this is a Political analysis the election just happened. What does this mean for Christians going forward?

How does this? affect the way that we should interact and be politically involved and be spiritually involved in our churches and all of that and it's just so much talking about how you're feeling about it and how you're going to navigate and how this affects you personally and how this Like like Donald Trump didn't do this to offend Curtis, right?

Like he didn't do this as a way to Really just make David French feel bad, but Like there's a way they take it. That's so personal. It seems like they're just so wrapped up in their own emotions on this.

It's I don't know what words to even use to describe it, but it's weird. It's just odd for guys, especially I just tell you Working in a lot of trades with guys so being with guys a lot it isn't how guys generally talk to each other I'm just saying you can show your emotions, but there it is this line and it's just he's crossing it I'm just telling you it's it's odd to me.

So I'm curious if there's comments coming in like what in the world is going on here why such a Dramatic way of looking at this and it's such a personal way of looking at this. Let's let's look at a few more clips that's more of this isn't really maybe a substantive this is more just me raising my eyebrow and being like wow, these guys are Really taking themselves very seriously.

Let's talk about though this which is more analysis of where they're politically at David French at the 13-minute marker says this.

He tries to he's the one that's rallying everyone so here's what he said channel some of that anger into. Building up those muscles and that sort of thickness of the skin that is necessary to engage in a very cruel age.

But without surrendering your compassion Remember the Micah 6 -8 formula like we need to lean in to act justly we even okay.

So we're entering this very cruel age and we got a we got a toughen up here, right? It's gonna be bad. It's gonna like what do they think's gonna happen? What what's so Devastating on the horizon that now is so much worse because Trump won as opposed to Harris for Christians like the only things I heard in the podcast were essentially Ukraine and And I think their analysis is totally off about Ukraine they just think Russia's gonna take over Ukraine and then they think that migrants are going to be Rounded up and there's gonna be all these mistakes made and these people who are here legally are gonna be rounded up with them and They're gonna it's gonna be a nightmare.

And so these are the things that are Just causing them so much turmoil and you think about a Harris presidency. This is the thing that's weird to me like Harris wanted national abortion law that was equivalent to Roe.

Or went beyond it perhaps Harris want was gonna keep the open border policies that were wreaking havoc on actual American citizens. Harris wanted To I mean continue the funding that we were giving to Ukraine, which is obviously bankrupting us further but it's also Ensuring that this war continues that the death and carnage continue.

Trump wants to end it right just those things alone. Would make a Harris administration far more cruel. Harris wanted to ensure that there are civil quote-unquote civil rights, but you know These uber rights for transgender people in schools and in society would be Defended and that we would be crammed down our throats.

Essentially I mean these are cruelties and it just strikes me as odd that they think that the Trump presidency represents cruelty not the Harris presidency. It's such a warped moral vision that they have.

But he wants to rally that anger, you know channel that anger into some productive action here because we're gonna need this grit.

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To like we've had to have grit for how many years I mean the last four years certainly. And just you know, I'm thinking maybe being in New York where things are things are worse. Let's just say here the county that I'm in right now went deeper blue this election.

So, I mean, I'm just used to having to grow up with I mean it was red when I was growing up. But you know, there was a lot more New York City influence and now of course. It's just insane in my opinion the amount of liberal influence in the area that I live but You know just even nationally.

I don't care if you lived in a blue state or a red state. You've endured a lot over the last four years just from an economic standpoint. You've endured a lot let alone social policies. You'd go back before that.

We had eight years of Obama. Before you even get to another Republican president and I just everyone I've known who's a Christian who disagreed with this kind of thing. They got up the next day. They put their pants on they went to work.

They didn't complain they you know, they were upset about what happened, but life goes on and It's so much more difficult for some reason for people on the left it seems to me from my perspective to do that.

All right, so David French and these guys that we David French was a National Review. Obviously Russell Moore was at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Curtis. I don't know as much about I know.

He's a professor at Duke Divinity, which is pretty on the left. So he may have been always kind of on the left, but you know, those guys were in conservative institutions at one point. Let's see. He talks about groaning.

I think it's David French maybe two or no. It's Russell more time out groaning and Trying to change what you can and not worrying about what you can't so they're just like rallying themselves most of this podcast and Then French gives them the encouragement.

This is actually gonna dovetail with what Rachel Maddow says. We are worried and they think that okay. Wait a minute. The courts are not going to be a check on Trump at all.

That.

The you know, the Republicans especially if they keep the house and now that they've won the Senate. They may just get rid of the filibuster and steamroll through. There are a lot of negative things that can happen.

But there are also a lot of checks still in place. And one of the things about the federal courts. Interestingly enough This is the moment where the president has less legal discretion to implement his agenda than any time in recent American history.

Supreme Court precedents have really clipped away at a lot of the president's discretion and. Also, the courts have actually rejected a lot of reach what I would call MAGA. Reach goals legal reach goals.

So a lot of the checks and balances legally. Not an immunity. You know not an immunity but that's kind of moot now because Trump's gonna win and he's gonna be able to order the Department of Justice to drop his cape the cases against him.

But in a lot of ways a lot of the legal checks and balances are still robust. They really are. We have accountability in two years. In two years you're gonna have another election and and we have seen giant shifts between say 2012 and 2014 or 2004 and 2006 or 92 and 90.

Alright, so I'm just gonna weigh in here. David French is essentially saying that the Democrats still have mechanisms by which they can oppose Trump and in two years There's gonna be another election.

So, you know, let's put our efforts towards that and this is similar to what Rachel Maddow says to that there's these restraints built into our system That can Keep Trump from doing everything Trump wants to do.

They don't go into deep detail on what Trump's going to do except for like I said Ukraine and immigration. But you know, that's they're channeling it back into political engagement that Christians need to be political engaged this time opposing Trump.

And David French ironically just says this with a straight face waltz claiming he's a conservative some comments. Three kino says what does he think about the cruel age of Biden Harris DOJ? Imprisoning Christians who peacefully pray outside abortion clinics and how about I'll add to this the January 6th Prisoners who are still in prison because of they happen to be in the Capitol that day that kind of thing.

That's. They're not even a thought there. That's political prisoners hiring more IRS agents to I Think harass some Americans. I mean Obama famously weaponized the IRS. I I'm not convinced that hasn't stopped but These are the kinds of things that would ramp up in a Harris administration and Trump's gonna put a kibosh on that and That's cruel.

Those are cruel things, but you know expanding abortion, especially very cruel. But they don't seem to think of it that way their priorities are so warped at this point. Drew Smith says John. Just as the government needs to take this four years to clean house and set this government up to never go back to the Wokeness, don't you think evangelicals need to clean house, too?

Yeah, absolutely. It's just hard to find replacements to be honest. This is one of the issues Trump had a hard time the first time. Hiring the people necessary to run the administration because there's just not a lot of people like us.

We tend to go towards careers and blue-collar fields fields Will be left alone if we're going to teach at a university we tend to gravitate towards hard math towards physics Engineering that's the key the conservatives want to avoid the hassle and raise their families and understandably so but because of that there is a big Gap and in these areas where the left already Polices their ranks pretty stringently it becomes more and more difficult for conservatives to Or more unattractive for conservatives to take a course in life that will lead them into roles necessary for governing and this is something we it's a challenge we need to think through a lot more and there are people trying to work on this but It goes for the denominations as well.

There's tremendous amount of pressure to keep the people out who aren't gonna play ball and Honestly elevate some very unimpressive people. That's what we've had for a long time. You would need in the SBC.

You need some kind of a takeover where it's just overwhelmed if you were gonna take that denomination back At an annual convention with outsiders who haven't been at SBC meetings before and so far we haven't had that.

We haven't had enough of that. So that would be the requirement and then once they get there then how do you capitalize on this? How do you identify small-town pastors that weren't even on the radar to fill these committee positions?

There's I mean that kind of thing can theoretically happen, but it's not happened thus far so There's yeah, I won't go into the domination thing anymore. But there is an opportunity I think Going forward to lock in some wins politically and maybe on the denominational levels in some sectors in the next four years.

Okay, let's keep going with this. I don't have a few more clips I think I want to play This there's okay Curtis says a few times this is Interesting. Let's see if I can go which one do I want to go to he says this at least twice.

I'll go to this one. Curtis talks about groaning before God, but also groaning with God. So he says this twice at least that God is groaning over this election and we just need to groan with him now. If that's true, if God is lamenting if God's up there groaning.

He just is so upset about Donald Trump winning. Well, we would be I as Christians I guess I suppose required to groan with them, right so look how they elevate this to a Something that's incumbent on Christians.

They there's a moral Wind that blows that they they want to use to harness more leftism or anti Trump anti-conservative true conservative type of a.

Type of disposition. So here's Curtis James all fine versus total despair. Don't despair. Don't despair. You have tools. You have tools, but you should be concerned. And there's a big difference between concern and despair.

Russell I want to ask you about helping people stay out of that despair place. You know, I think it's it can feel like there's easy ways to there's easy ways that actually feel trite and Cliche ish like you said and there's ways that actually take us deeper into that place of groaning with God.

And and a lot of this guy there it is. There it is that We need to be taken into that place of groaning with God because of a Trump victory. I Don't think they'd be having this conversation had Harris won.

This wouldn't be look it would look like this at all so, you know, I don't. I Can't even see them saying God would be groaning over Harris victory but like that's a pretty bold thing to say that's like God the creator of the universe is groaning that Trump won the presidency and we just need to be as Christians taken into that we need to Feel that same thing.

So like he's wanting people to feel this emotion that God's apparently feeling. I Just thought that was incredible thing to say. And then let's see last clip. I want to play for you. Okay, this is actually before right before this David French.

Actually, I'm not. Should I play this with time? We're already half an hour in. Yeah, well, let's just go for it let's just play it let's see 32. Let's go there. All right, so this is Russell Moore giving his analysis of why Trump won the election.

Check this out. Exactly, right that does set a.

Parameter. I think I think that probably this applies more generally across American life. We're in an age that Neil Postman warned us about a generation ago where everything has a sense of entertainment and and drama and I think that there's a sense in which Trump is able to speak to That need for meaning or purpose that comes in this kind of entertainment mediated way in a way that That that Harris could not when what she was selling is.

I want to be a boring responsible President who is who is what what we used to have. And Biden was giving no National.

Sort of retort. Okay, so it's the blame game that starts, you know, Biden was had problems Harris had problems. But the reason that people voted for Trump was they just wanted to be entertained they just really loved the fact that Trump had spicy press conferences and said outrageous things and they enjoy the controversy associated with it and he goes on and makes these points that.

You know people people like the drama and I actually think it's the opposite to be quite honest. People don't want the drama people would rather not think about those things. But we live in a time when those kinds of things become necessary because the media screams bloody murder when you try to roll back or even oppose the March forward of progressivism and Trump is doing that.

So of course, they're gonna scream about it. And of course, there's gonna be drama. Is there gonna be would there have been drama with Kamala Harris? Well, there would have been opposition from the heartland.

But I mean all here's the admission really all the institutions are in lockstep with Kamala Harris the entertainment industry the education now the medical field. No matter which sector you look at they're pretty much in step with Kamala Harris's agenda.

So You're not gonna get his drama when people are in agreement Trump now is that one little point where there's a disagreement you still have the entertainment industry and the education industry and the Medical establishment and all the rest on the opposite side of Donald Trump.

So there's going to be some grinding going on and Trump is pretty blunt. He's he's a blunt, New Yorker. With a Scottish temperament, so yeah, of course, he's gonna when he disagrees he's gonna take it to him and that's what people want.

It's not the spectacle of it. It's not we just really like watching the fireworks.

Of course.

We enjoy seeing for a change for once these people who think they know everything told that they don't. Because they don't and because they're wreaking havoc we like to see them lose because they're evil and because they're pushing wicked things and Because oftentimes they're also incompetent.

It's not the spectacle that were it's not the free bread to the crowds that were there for that. Are there people that are like that maybe but I don't think I've ever met them, you know I'm I was rejoicing that I was looking at the media meltdown that night and I was entertained by it.

That's not the reason I voted for Trump, right? I'm just enjoying the fact that the people who hate my way of life hate the God I serve hate the country that my ancestors built are actually Losing it's good.

It's good to know that's good to have that reassurance and I'm I thank God for it. So That's much different than I just like controversy wherever it is. I'm just gonna go look at controversy. You know Kamala Harris had plenty of entertainment value about here, but so did Biden by the way.

There's plenty of entertainment value there. I mean she she Acted like she was drunk when I don't know if she was or wasn't but her laugh and the stupid things that she would say and Biden, of course with you know all the crazy nonsense he would say and questions about even like did he just have a Potty accident, you know had an event that they had to shuffle him out for it.

I mean there was constant entertainment being generated by Biden and then Harris every day. So that obviously wasn't the factor but you know Russell Moore wants to make out like it's this I think it's an encouraging thing to tell yourself.

Like it's not really these fundamental issues so much as it is superficial things that we can somehow may be correct. And easy add Danine says these men are giving lame excuses for how America voted to them.

It can't be rational, right? That's exactly right. You know if you thought like we did you would never vote the way that people actually voted so the whole thing implies God isn't in control. They are showing their lack of understanding the sovereignty of God pathetic for religious actually towards the end.

They do try to encourage themselves that God's in control. They start quoting Lord of the Rings all over the place and I thought it was interesting because you could use the same quotes for like just reverse the roles and you know, I thought of like Gandalf speaking to Frodo and Moria and Talking about how we're only responsible for the times in which we live.

We can't choose them. I love that scene and. But of course though I'm not thinking about it like Trump is the Dark Lord Sauron, which I think is how they're looking at it, which is hysterical to me.

Okay.

Let's let's talk about a lot of comments coming in keep them coming. I'll try to get to them when I get a chance. That was it for this particular podcast. That's all I wanted to talk about. So to wrap it all up into a bow these guys.