July 28, 2015 ISI Radio Show with Scott Lively on “The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party”

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We had some technical problems with the computer and we have no idea why everything was lagging and being sluggish but thanks be to God he did obviously want us to start this program anyway since we are on the air and I am very delighted to have a return guest from the old Iron Sharpens Iron.

He was a guest several times between 2006 and 2011 and he is now our guest for the very first time on the new Iron Sharpens Iron and his name is Scott Lively. Scott Lively is the founder and president of Abiding Truth Ministries based in California and it's subsidiary Defend the Family International located in Springfield, Massachusetts where he is senior pastor of Coffee House Church.

He's an author, attorney, former candidate for the governor of Massachusetts in 2014 and former state director of the California branch of the American Family Association and spokesman for the Oregon Citizens Alliance.

Dr. Lively has been a leading defender of biblical values regarding LGBT issues for more than 25 years and has been named global enemy number one by the world's largest homosexual organization. His THD doctoral thesis has been published under the title Redeeming the Rainbow, a Christian response to the gay agenda.

Brother Lively has not had an easy life from a 12-year-old alcoholic to later drug addiction and homelessness. God stepped in to show him the way out through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and today we are going to be discussing his very controversial book The Pink Swastika, Homosexuality in the Nazi Party and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron, Dr. Scott Lively and let me right off the bat give the email address for our listeners if they'd like to email a question for Dr. Lively regarding the subject which is was the Nazi party really anti-homosexual or was it filled with Nazi homosexual brutes, violent sadists who were themselves homosexuals with an agenda and if you have a question regarding this thesis, a very controversial thesis that liberals mock and laugh at and claim that it is historical revisionism and holocaust revisionism but there are also many conservative orthodox jews and others who believe that it is the leftist gay activists who have become holocaust revisionists and revisionists of history.

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Please only remain anonymous if it's involving a personal or private matter. Well Dr. Lively, you have written this book which is now approaching its fifth edition, The Pink Swastika Homosexuality in the Nazi Party.

I know that we've addressed this in past years on the program while you wrote it in the contents of the book but I think that it is very timely that we revisit The Pink Swastika due to events that are obvious in our nation with the supreme court decision on same-sex marriage and the astonishing diminishing of rights for conservatives and Christians and others who adhere to a biblical morality.

But if you could tell us when you began writing The Pink Swastika and why on earth did you write it? It seems to many on the face of it to be a bizarre topic. It seems that it is fantastical and perhaps you could tell us why you wrote this book.

I ran their campaign like the Nazis. They're lying. It got more and more intense.

And you, admittedly, even when you first heard about the premise of this Mormon's ideas about the Nazis and homosexuality, not that they were his ideas invented by him, but the concept that he was showing you for the very first time, you thought he was nuts.

You thought that the concept of the premise was nuts yourself. But this is to prove that also even a Mormon who has a false religion, Dr. Lively, who is my guest today, is an evangelical Christian and he would.

Be opposed to the theology of Mormonism. Yes, I am. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that he was.

Yes, you just happen to be an individual who was a Mormon. And when I read this book back in the 90s, The Pink Swastika, I believe it was probably the third edition at that time, I became just totally blown away by the research and the documentation of this book.

And the thing that's amazing is that a lot of the documentation is from the pen of homosexual contemporaries of Nazis. So give us the main outline of The Pink Swastika, Homosexuals and the Nazi Party.

What is the basic premise of the book? Because obviously some have an exaggerated notion of what you're trying to say through the book and some have slandered it as being nothing but a joke and a.

Laughable concoction. Well, that's all they can do, Chris. That's all they can do. All they can do is mock it, because from books, find the parts that are relevant, highlight the parts, almost four feet high.

And that's in addition to what's already in the book. This is a serious historical cover-up in modern history. When you look at the documentation, Family .com, or go to my blog, ScottLively .net, and see the first four chapters of the book, just read just a few pages, you'll be blown away.

Our homosexual authors, and that it was sexual. As a matter of fact, the brown shirts we all think about right now, you see brown shirts, the Freikorps of homosexual soldiers left over after World War I under the Treaty of Versailles, which became known as the Brown Shirts.

Now,.

Ernst Röhm, who was a rival for power in the Nazi Party to Hitler, who was the leader of the brown shirts, he was a notorious homosexual and pederast that even homosexuals today fully admit that. Ernst Röhm, one of the founders of the Nazi Party, they fully admit that he was a homosexual, and he was a sadist, and a pederast, and it was something that was not unknown during his lifetime.

He was notorious and open. He was not a closeted homosexual. He was very proud of his.

Behavior, wasn't he? He had been a captor. They weren't Ryan von Blomberg, and the homosexuals...

And for those of you who are still not quite clear about who the brown shirts were, in a typical newsreel that we've all seen in documentaries on World War II and on the Nazis, the folks that you would see driving around in military vehicles with the brown uniforms on and shorts very often, who were beating up Jews in the street and smashing their windows and standing around laughing at the Jews and cutting their beards and all that kind of thing, those were predominantly, if not exclusively, the brown shirts, weren't they?

That's right, and it was the SA, not the SF. The SF was called the lifeguard, and what most people don't realize, and I didn't even know a lot before the Nazis, Germany, and they looked like they were used and recruited, and the brown shirts represented the salvation of Germany from communism, and that's why all the fascists represented the counterpoint to communism, and it wasn't until later that we realized that fascism was just as bad or worse than communism, but by then...

Yeah, the brown shirts, they were the ones that orchestrated.

The Night of Broken Glass, correct? Kristallnacht?

That's right, Kristallnacht, yes.

Right, right, and those were the newsreels that I was describing earlier that many of the documentaries show. Those were predominantly, if not exclusively, homosexual Nazis perpetrating these crimes against Jewish business owners and families, and going back to the genesis of this, I know that from your book, it is documented that the Nazi party began as a group of... a series of meetings or gatherings in a homosexual bar in Germany, and what was the agenda?

I know that although all of the individuals at these gatherings were either homosexual or they were dominated by homosexuals, these gatherings, what was the agenda? Was the agenda itself also.

Involved with homosexuality? A monumental achievement. The Germans were looking at their society with the same agenda. Obama has the exact same Marxist agenda that the Weimar government had turned out to be.

And so, just briefly as you can,.

Because of the fact that you always hear the drumbeat that Nazism and Communism or Fascism and Communism are polar opposites, but they're really not, are they?

No, they're not. It's right in the name.

Right. In fact, Nazi is a pejorative term. It's a nickname that came with insult behind it originally. In fact, I understand that George Lincoln Rockwell, when he founded the American Nazi party, there were national socialists that were upset by that name.

They wanted him to call it the American National Socialist Party because Nazi was considered like a pejorative term, like Mormon originally was or what have you. But he used it because of the shock value of the name Nazi.

So, I guess we really don't have time to exhaustively discuss the fine differences between Nazism and Communism, but can you give us any kind of a basic difference that would be.

Inherent to each? We're going to be going to our first break right now. If you do have.

A question for Dr. Lively on our discussion today, the pink swastika homosexuality in the Nazi party. Also, you can ask a question on anything that would be related to the homosexual activist agenda in the United States today and similar subjects that would involve our topic.

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Nazism, Communism, and the Homosexual Roots of the Brown Shirts

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Perhaps Satan is assaulting my soundboard as we speak. But this is Chris Arnzen of Iron Trip and Zarn. If you've just tuned us in, we have as our guest today Dr. Scott Lively, and we were discussing his book, The Pink Swastika, Homosexuality in the Nazi Party.

And I know that in the first at least three editions of The Pink Swastika, you were very hesitant to label Adolf Hitler himself as a homosexual, although you knew that he had some involvement in it as a male prostitute and other things from his past.

But you really reserved that identification of him until your upcoming fifth edition, if I'm not mistaken. But tell us something about that, and why are you more convinced.

Of his sexual proclivities now? And when Lothar Machton wrote his book,.

He didn't even really have any kind of an agenda in opposition to homosexuality, did he?

No, he's just a German history professor.

And then you have the, as you said earlier, as the German army began to grow in numbers, and the Nazi Party itself began to grow to the millions, homosexuals became a minority within this movement and within the German military.

But it's interesting that I'm reading that there seemed to be a lot of knowledge by regular German army soldiers about the homosexual proclivities of the brown shirts and others that, in fact, weren't they nicknamed the brown fairies?

Oh, yeah, this was common knowledge to the society in those days. In fact, every time, you know, if you go back and look at... Yeah, when he wrote Mein Kampf in prison. Right, he wrote Mein Kampf there.

And the reason he was a hero, not because of the lines, you know, mother, daughter, all known about. The German people were not going to put up with this. They were looking for somebody who's going to stop.

They were playing Samantha. The fascists did not call themselves homosexuals. Homosexual was a term invented by the man who had started the Scientific Humanitarian Committee. And that phenomenon also exists in Islam and adherence to.

Islam and so forth. We were being enlightened about that by our guest Bill Federer recently on Iron Sharpens Iron. So the rise of so-called persecution, and there was a level of persecution against homosexuals.

There were homosexuals in the camps. That's where the pink triangle came from, the notorious pink triangle that they were forced to wear on their uniforms or their, yeah, I guess you would call it a uniform, a prison uniform.

What was the origin of this persecution and arrest and imprisonment of the homosexuals if there was a homosexual agenda behind the Nazis and homosexuals in leadership? That's what you typically will hear by those who scoff at the premise of your book, because they say, what are you talking about?

Homosexuals were victims. They weren't persecutors. Yeah, well, some of them were. I mean,.

The effeminate almost led us. And Scott Lively, just to let you know, is going to be on for the.

Full two hours of Iron Sharpens Iron today. But because I know that some people may be not able to listen to our second hour live, I wanted to make sure that we plugged your upcoming speaking event, which is very close to where I'm sitting right now in Anvil, Pennsylvania.

You're going to be speaking August 27th and August 28th, which is a Thursday and Friday from 630 to 830 p .m. at the St. John's Evangelical Congregational Church in Anvil, Pennsylvania. And what are the.

Topics going to be those two nights in Anvil? Talking about the mess that...

Well, just to give you an idea of how tragic it is that the LGBT has become a well-known acronym or acrostic even amongst children and folks across the board, whatever types of backgrounds or families they're from.

Just to give you an idea of what happened recently, I happen to be in a a theologically conservative church. Reformed Baptist is the theological distinctive of our church. And we adhere to a summary of biblical doctrine called the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith.

And the son of a friend of mine saw me write down the abbreviation of our church's Confession of Faith, LBCF. And when he saw that, his immediate reaction was, LBC... Is that the gay thing? I said, no, it has nothing to do with that at all, which is just frightening when you think about it.

But anyway, the phone number, just so our listeners know how to contact the St. John's Evangelical Congregational Church in Anvil, Pennsylvania, the phone number is 717 -838 -1171. 717 -838 -1171 is the phone number for St. John's Evangelical Congregational Church in Anvil, Pennsylvania.

And the event, as I mentioned, featuring Dr. Scott Lively, who's our guest today, the event is being held Thursday, August 27th, and Friday, August 28th, 6 .30 to 8 .30 p .m. And I believe this is free of charge, isn't it?

Yeah, I'm actually planning to be there, and God willing, I will be there. So I am looking forward to finally meeting you face-to-face after having a number of interviews with you on this issue. And so I have heard, even from liberal sources, just going back to the persecution of homosexuals by Nazis, I've even heard from liberal sources that had to admit that very few of the homosexual prisoners were murdered, and most of those who died in the camps died of disease and things like that.

They were not in any way persecuted on a parallel level with the Jews, which is one of the reasons why I believe you and I and others, and especially the family members of Holocaust victims, and even some Holocaust survivors who may be still alive, one of the reasons that some of them are vehemently angry and opposed to this notion that the homosexuals were victims on a parallel with the Jews is that they are the leftist homosexual activists are the ones that are hijacking the Holocaust and doing revisionism, aren't they?

They're stealing the compassion that we should rightly have towards the Jewish people for this atrocity that occurred in history and trying to ride on the coattails of it, aren't they?

And they did with this orthodox rabbis in the country, in the rainbow.

One excellent parallel, I think, when people say, how on earth could the Nazis have been homosexuals and have had a homosexual agenda and so on if other homosexuals were persecuted? That makes no sense, they would say.

Well, look at organized crime. Who are the dominant victims of organized crime? The mafia, etc. Yeah, 99 .9999 of the people who are brutally killed by them are other organized crime members.

And who's killing black youth on the streets of the inner city? I live in the inner city. These guys aren't shooting random strangers, they're shooting each other. And on a larger scale,.

Much larger scale, Islam. The vast majority of Muslims being tortured and murdered are Muslims.

By other Muslims. You're talking about the homosexual activists, is that what you're speaking of? Yeah, the homosexual activists are in Germany. What we saw there, it was they were at each other's throats.

They hated each other and they would have notes taped.

Persecution, the Pink Triangle, and the Victimhood Narrative

Well, we are going to be going to our next break, hopefully it will be more successful than the last one without technical error. And we are not going away. Scott Lively is our guest for another full hour to continue his discussion of the pink swastika, homosexuality in the Nazi party.

And we're actually expanding the theme into why we should be even concerned that this was a reality of history, other than just a novelty that people might be curious about who are World War II memorabilia collectors or something, somebody who is fascinated by history, especially World War II and Germany and etc.

There are much more serious implications to this whole concept. This is not just a fetish of some kind that our guest is involved in, which is another interesting thing, which I'd like to have Scott respond to when we return.

It's interesting how the number one insult that I find homosexual activists hurling at heterosexuals who oppose their lifestyle, whether they be Christians or just morally conservative people, the insult that is most active, most frequently hurled against us that I've seen is the insinuation that we are homosexual secretly, that we are hiding something about our proclivities in that nature, and self-loathing homosexuals and so on.

But it's interesting that they don't make that claim against the Nazis, not even the contemporary ones. They don't even make that claim against the skinheads of the neo-Nazis that exist today. But we're going to be right back after these messages.

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Hitler, Lothar Machtan, and the Nazi Leadership’s Sexual Proclivities

Welcome back. This is Chris Arns. And if you just tuned us in, our guest today is Scott Lively, who is the author of The Pink Swastika, Homosexuality in the Nazi Party. Very controversial book. And I can tell you personally that I wanted to eventually arrange a debate on my program at some point in the future between Scott and somebody who opposes his thesis that the Nazi Party was predominantly, in its infancy, a homosexual group and that homosexuality was a main core part of the Nazi Party throughout its entire existence.

And in fact, even today, which we can touch on a little bit, even with neo-Nazis. But it is interesting that I scoured the internet for someone who has done any kind of a detailed rebuttal of anything remotely detailed to Scott's thesis.

And I haven't found anything. I've just seen the rambling accusations of liberals and homosexuals and homosexual advocates who mock it. Because obviously the best way to get somebody not even to pick up and read a book or view a documentary or what have you is to just insult it and make it laughable.

But the one evangelical that was saying things critical of Dr. Lively's book, what was printed on the internet was not in any way, shape or form detailed. There were no specifics rebutted or refuted. And when I called him, I tracked down his phone number and called him about five or six times, inviting him to engage in a debate.

I never received any return phone call. So have you had any meaningful challenge to this, Scott, yourself? This is the premise of yours. I've had home. By the way,.

Has anybody even done any kind of a point by point analysis where they in any way,.

In detail, try to refute what you've said? Because I just haven't found it.

Yeah, well, there is it, but there were some. And we got to repeat, we have to repeat that.

A great number, I believe you said nearly 25 of the documentation in your book to prove the homosexual roots of Nazism, about 25 of the documentation is from homosexual.

Historians who were contemporaries of the Nazis. There's a guy, I can find that right now.

And going back, going back to the apparent contradiction where people are saying, how could the Nazis have had a homosexual agenda. Or how could they have been homosexuals if they were indeed imprisoning homosexuals?

And if they were, if Hitler was making speeches condemning homosexuals in public, a lot of this was to cover up the dirt that the Nazis had in their closets. And who else would know about this dirt than other homosexuals, right?

In this country, you know, the Matthew Shepard, you know, Matthew Shepard, they just kept going as if they'd never got revealed.

And let's clarify something with regard to you. There are many people who think that you hate homosexuals, that you want harm to come to them, that you would somehow rejoice in their death, that they might put you on the same plane as the abominable God hates fags group from Westboro Baptist Church, founded by the late Fred Phelps.

What are your comments in reaction to that?

Well, you know, this is...

Yeah, because at that point, because at that point, there was so little known about AIDS that everyone thought that you might be able to get it casually.

Well, we know now.

And it's interesting that I know personally, a Christian man who has AIDS as a result of back in the 80s, his wife, who needed a blood transfusion after giving birth, received AIDS contaminated blood when the screening of blood was far less sophisticated than it is today.

And when there wasn't as much alarm about something like AIDS back then, the wife contracted AIDS, passed it on to her husband through marital relations, and passed it on to their daughter through breastfeeding.

But because this Christian family had wholesome moral lifestyles, the disease did not ravage them like it does typically with a lot of homosexuals.

Because they contained their immune system.

Right. And in fact, the husband only recently... Keep in mind, he contracted it in the 80s. He only recently began taking medication for the symptoms of this. So, I mean, it's just remarkable. And the daughter married a man who knew of the condition of the daughter.

And they have a child who is AIDS-free, and the husband is AIDS-free. So it's just amazing what the Lord is doing with that family. But just before we conclude the chapter, other than questions from the audience that might want to discuss specifically the book, when you had the Nazi machine being a global power that was dominating the world, and came very close to conquering the world, how much of homosexuality was actually a part of that huge evil machine comprised of millions of adherents?

Well, I think we hate homosexuals, we hate the gay movement, and this idea of downplaying it.

And of course, we must also be very cautious, just like we do in all areas of life. As Christians, we must be very cautious not to imitate the Pharisees, and to look upon those who are homosexuals as a reason to bolster up our own self-righteousness, and view them with a lack of humility and compassion, and act as if that we are somehow innately more righteous than these.

People are. That's right. We cannot use someone else's one flesh, one...

Yeah, and it gives me great cause of concern when you very frequently hear evangelicals with a desire, a right desire, to openly demonstrate love and compassion to those involved in homosexuality. They have naively or unconsciously, and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt by saying unconsciously, they've adopted concepts of this sin that the liberals have been brainwashing humanity to believe for quite a long time, and I'll give you an example.

Why on earth are evangelicals and pastors identifying homosexuals, or those who are participating in homosexual activity, as the gay community? It gives it the air of an ethnic group, or race, or a nationality, and you know, to me that's absurd.

We don't use phrases like the thief community, or the adulterer community, or all these other abominable sins,.

The murderer community. Why is it that there is a gay community? It's fear of man. I, as America, call 90, maybe 95 percent, and even go to Sunday school, completely transformed within the first few months of college.

Number one of America, a campaign to remove every shred of Christianity from public life, shall have no other gods before me. And the reason we have not been able to, we're fighting to address that, and the whole concept of where America is a land of all these trends around, to allow...

No, that's, thankfully I agree with the rant.

But I just, before we go to our last break, I just want to remember to, before I forget, I should say, announce your upcoming two-day conference, again, at St. John's Evangelical Congregational Church in Anvil, Pennsylvania, which is about 50 minutes, I understand, from Carlisle, Pennsylvania, where I'm sitting right now, the home of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

For details on this conference, Thursday, August 27th, and Friday, August 28th, 630 to 830 p .m., call St. John's Evangelical Congregational Church in Anvil, Pennsylvania, at 717 -838 -1171. 717 -838 -1171.

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The Southern Poverty Law Center, Neo-Nazis, and the Gay Community

Welcome back. This is Chris Arnson. If you've just tuned us in, our guest has been for the last 90 minutes, Dr. Scott Lively, who is an attorney, he's a pastor, he's a Christian activist, and a former candidate for the gubernatorial race in Massachusetts, the 2014 race for governor.

And he is also an author and has written one of the most controversial books on the issue of homosexuality, titled The Pink Swastika, Homosexuality in the Nazi Party. And we're going to be going to our emails from listeners in a moment.

But let me just to wrap this up. Scott, some people will say, okay, you've proven your point. There were Nazis who were homosexuals. Homosexuality had a lot to do with the birthing or the origins of the Nazi party.

So what? This seems to be some kind of just a peculiar fetish of yours to talk about this. And it's kind of resembling a bizarre conspiracy theory kind of thing that we'd just like to sit around and laugh about.

Why do you think it's so important? And why is it so vital for Christians and others to learn about this now in the 21st century? Well, I mean, the version of what.

Happened in Germany is that... Yeah, it is rather remarkable that a, just like in the days of the.

Nazis, a tiny handful of sadists nearly grew to an empire that nearly conquered the entire world. And today we have a tiny minority of people who are involved in sexual activity that is damnable in the sight of God, abominable in the sight of God, just seemingly taking over the minds of a nation and the world.

And obviously, there are a lot of people who are not actively involved in homosexuality who have made this possible through their support and.

Their activism and so on, and their political power. Yeah. One of your listeners, Columbia, he was at a... That's who they were following was Herbert Marcuse. Conservatives don't even know who this guy is.

He is at least as destructive to our society, to Americans' society. Frankfurt School and Herbert Marcuse, you'll just see how incredibly influential this guy was. And that's what happened. All right.

We have a listener in Ligonier, Pennsylvania. David Painter of the.

Gerstner Study Center says, it may be of interest to ask Scott about HS in a pluralistic society and the fact that it is Christians who are not only the moral compass in society, but the only segment of any society that actually comprehends true civility.

People like Oz Guinness and D .A. Carson have written on this. Oz Guinness' books on culture and politics are all outstanding. And Carson, in his expected clarity, speaks to many issues in the gagging of God.

And may the Lord richly bless the labor of Scott Lively's hands in the cause of the kingdom of Christ. Well, do you have any comments on that,.

Which is more of a comment than a question? Well, he makes the point when they leave, the blessings that they have. We do have another listener in Gardeners, Pennsylvania.