July 28, 2015 ISI Radio Show with Scott Lively on “The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party”

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Now here's our host, Chris Arntzen. Good afternoon,

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Cumberland County, Pennsylvania and the rest of humanity living on the planet earth listening via live streaming.

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This is Chris Arntzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron, wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this 28th day of July 2015 and I am a little bit discombobulated because we almost didn't make it to the air for today for some reason.

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We had some technical problems with the computer and we have no idea why everything was lagging and being sluggish, but thanks be to God, he did obviously want us to start this program anyway since we are on the air and I am very delighted to have a return guest from the old

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Iron Sharpens Iron. He was a guest several times between 2006 and 2011 and he is now our guest for the very first time on the new

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Iron Sharpens Iron and his name is Scott Lively. Scott Lively is the founder and president of Abiding Truth Ministries based in California and it's subsidiary

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Defend the Family International located in Springfield, Massachusetts where he is senior pastor of Coffee House Church.

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He's an author, attorney, former candidate for the governor of Massachusetts in 2014 and former state director of the

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California branch of the American Family Association and spokesman for the Oregon Citizens Alliance.

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Dr. Lively has been a leading defender of biblical values regarding LGBT issues for more than 25 years and has been named global enemy number one by the world's largest homosexual organization.

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His THD doctoral thesis has been published under the title Redeeming the

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Rainbow, a Christian Response to the Gay Agenda. Brother Lively has not had an easy life from a 12 year old alcoholic to later drug addiction and homelessness

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God stepped in to show him the way out through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and today we are going to be discussing his very controversial book

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The Pink Swastika Homosexuality in the Nazi Party and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Dr.

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Scott Lively. Very good to be with you Chris, God bless you. And let me right off the bat give the email address for our listeners if they'd like to email a question for Dr.

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Lively regarding the subject at hand which is was the Nazi Party really anti -homosexual or was it filled with Nazi homosexual brutes, violent sadists who were themselves homosexuals with an agenda and if you have a question regarding this thesis a very controversial thesis that liberals mock and laugh at and claim that it is historical revisionism and holocaust revisionism but there are also many conservative orthodox

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Jews and others who believe that it is the leftist gay activists who have become holocaust revisionists and revisionists of history.

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Well Dr. Lively you have written this book which is now approaching its fifth edition

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The Pink Swastika Homosexuality in the Nazi Party. I know that we've addressed this in past years on the program while you wrote it in the contents of the book but I think that it is very timely that we revisit

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The Pink Swastika due to events that are obvious in our nation with the the supreme court decision on same -sex marriage and the astonishing diminishing of rights for conservatives and Christians and others who adhere to a biblical morality.

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But if you could tell us when you began writing The Pink Swastika and why on earth did you write it?

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It seems to many on the face of it to be a bizarre topic.

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It seems that it is fantastical and perhaps you could tell us why you wrote this book?

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Well you know Chris I've been a Christian social activist since the late 1980s.

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I was an alcoholic and a drug addict, got saved and healed in 1986 and then

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I had my eyes open to the culture war when I saw pictures of aborted babies. I became a full -time opponent of the abortion industry, got involved with the

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Oregon Citizens Alliance and then OCA then shifted its focus to the homosexual agenda which it perceived as a greater social threat because the homosexual movement is the army of social engineers and activists that is that's behind the whole agenda including abortion and so we started fighting that battle in Oregon.

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We attempted to stop the entire agenda with one ballot measure that would have amended the

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Oregon state constitution to declare homosexuality abnormal unnatural and perverse in the state constitution.

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That's the biblical perspective of homosexuality that we would have put secular terms in the state constitution.

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It would have stopped the entire homosexual agenda cold in Oregon and of course the other side came against us with everything they had with the most intense political campaign

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I have ever witnessed in my life and I was right at the heart of it and the opponents ran their campaign on the theme that people who oppose gay rights are like the

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Nazis and I thought my job was to differentiate between the

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Nazis hate -based opposition to homosexuality and the Christian bible -based morality -based opposition to homosexuality until one day a

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Mormon guy came into my office kind of wild like a Doc Brown type character and he put down a sheaf of 30 pages of notes on my desk he said they're lying it's completely the opposite read this and I thought the guy was a kook

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I you know I said yeah thank you very much I sent him off I stuck the thing in a jar didn't really just really didn't look at it and then later on when the it got more and more intense the leader of the opposition of the homosexual opposition wrote a letter to the newspaper in Salem where I was where I was working at the time saying that that he just returned from Germany where he visited

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Dachau and what an amazing similarity there was between the Oregon Citizens Alliance and the Nazi party and I said that's it

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I went to the file I said there's got to be something in here I read it for the first time my jaw fell to the desk when

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I saw that the depth and the strength of the documentation of the thesis that the

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Nazi party was not just didn't just have homosexuals in it but was a creation of the homosexual political movement in Germany and so uh at the same time that I was this awareness was happening to me

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I was also watching that the homosexual movement in the United States was setting itself up for moral authority by declaring that that uh that homosexuals had been victims of the

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Nazis like the Jews and they were creating out of out of a few pieces of valid uh evidence they were creating a false gay holocaust that they were selling across the whole country and that's why we wrote the pink swastika and you uh admittedly even when you first heard about the premise of this mormon's uh ideas about uh the

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Nazis and homosexuality not that they were his ideas from invented by him but the the concept that he was showing you for the very first time you thought he was nuts you thought that the concept of the premise was nuts yourself but uh this is to prove that uh also uh even a mormon who has a false religion and dr lively who is my guest today is a evangelical christian and he would be opposed to the theology of mormonism uh but i am i don't don't get me wrong i'm not saying that i'm not having any support to his theology i'm just saying that's who the guy was yeah you just happen to be an individual who was a mormon and uh and when i read this book back in the 90s the pink swastika i believe it was probably the third edition at that time uh i became just totally blown away by the research and the documentation of this book and the thing that's amazing is that a lot of the documentation is from the pen of homosexual contemporaries of the nazis so so let's give us give us the outline of the pink swastika homosexuals in the nazi party what is the basic premise of the book because obviously some have an exaggerated notion of what you're trying to say through the book and some have slandered it as being uh nothing but a joke and a laughable uh that's all they can do chris that's all they can do this is they all they can do is mock it because they can't they can't refute the facts that are cited in it and that 30 pages of handwritten notes that i started out with at the beginning and by the way my co -author is an orthodox jew and he uh we we have been partners in this entire project working on the fifth edition we're now up over 500 pages of documentation on on this agenda and and i have a stack i have a three and a half maybe four foot stack of of photocopied pages from books uh history books with additional documentation i just there's there's a man that uh uh that that rose up about eight years ago and he just said he just started sending me materials he he's his hobby is and his ministry is to just scour the world for history books read them find the parts that are relevant to the photocopy the pages highlight the parts and then put every six weeks or so i get a i get a packet in the mail and it's reached almost four feet high and that's and that's in addition to what's already in the book this is not a small matter this is the most serious historical cover -up in modern history uh the when you look at the documentation you can go online defend the family .com

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just go and read the book it's just i don't know graphics but you can read the text of the fourth edition or go to my blog scott lively .net

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and see the first four chapters of the fifth edition in beta form and and just read just a few pages you'll be blown away at the significance and and like you said at least 20 to 25 percent of the sources are homosexual authors and scholars and historians and other writers themselves admitting uh the facts that are in the book but but at the essence what the book is saying is that is that uh the gays are were advocating and promoting this idea of a gay holocaust but the facts are completely the reverse and that uh that the nazi party was an outgrowth of the german gay subculture uh and that it was always dominated by hitler's inner circle was almost all homosexual we're talking the party not the not the army not the germ not rommel and all the the german figures most familiar to americans from the war years we're talking about adolf hitler ernst romm uh wolf von helldorf you know that the uh uh gebels the uh gering the transvestite uh the uh all the leaders of the early stromoptylon the brown shirts were all homosexuals as a matter of fact the brown shirts that that that you know this that's that we all think about right now you see uh uh movies on tv and things like that with the brown shirts the brown shirts were a homosexual chapter of the fry corps the the what was called the free corps of uh of homosexual soldiers left over uh after world war one under the treaty of versailles the uh germany couldn't have more than a hundred thousand men in arms and the and the uh the the fascists organized the nationals they organized all these out -of -work soldiers into what they called free corps uh under the guise of sporting outfits and things like that the the group uh gerhard ross box group uh was became known as the brown shirts as different from all the others who wore the gray uniforms at the that the germans had had in world war one he clothed his guys in brown shirts to make them distinctive they were the leftover brown uniforms from germany's lost colonies from world war one out from africa and the brown so and and ross box ross bud bund was exclusively homosexual that's who the brown shirts were now over time the brown shirts at the s .a

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stromoptylon became uh uh gigantic you know and of course at that point they weren't all homosexuals but uh but leadership always was and and right from the beginning uh uh it was that was the dominant theme that's that's what brought these men together now uh ernst rome who was a rival for power in the nazi party to hitler uh who was the leader of the brown shirts he was a notorious homosexual and pederast that even homosexuals today fully admit that ernst rome one of the founders of the nazi party they fully admit that he was a homosexual and he was a sadist and a pederast and it was something that was not unknown during his lifetime he was he was notorious and open he was not a closeted homosexual he's very proud of his behavior wasn't he that's that's right ernst rome was really the power of the nazi party at the beginning he had been a captain in the german army hitler was only a corporal and uh and it was it was it was ernst rome's uh you know wealthy and connected friends that helped hitler rise from obscurity and so he was really the primary mover and shaker at the beginning but he wasn't a politician he wasn't a smooth talker he was just a bully boy uh and hitler eventually rose above him they were partners they weren't rivals until 1934 or so and as a matter of fact uh adolf hitler didn't kill ernst rome because they were at odds with each other he killed ernst rome because uh president hindenburg and von blomberg who really represented the the uh the military industrial complex uh after hitler had won the election uh and and and they knew this was the guy who is now going to be the leader of the country uh the uh through through the parliamentary election in in 32 uh they came to hitler and they said you either get rid of ernst rome or we're going to take down your government and declare it illegitimate and so hitler could sort of turn the tables on at that point he says uh in effect okay you're going to make me do this then i'm going to purge everybody that i don't like at the same time and uh and you aren't you guys aren't going to be able to say anything about it and that's exactly what he did that was called the night of the long knives and there were by some estimations a couple thousand people that were murdered uh over that weekend which incidentally is the same weekend as gay pride uh the gay pride riot uh historically uh but the uh i mean in date -wise not year -wise uh anyway and uh and so uh hitler carried that out and the list included virtually everyone who knew anything about hitler's youth when he was a male prostitute in munich and vienna he just wiped the slate clean killed everybody who knew anything about him killed all of his political rivals enemies past friends confidants counselors uh and uh and that was the so -called night of the long knives and the homosexuals will point to that and say oh that was the beginning of the real massacre and purge and extermination of homosexuals that's that's nonsense because the people who carried out the murders were also homosexuals and uh for those of you who are still not quite clear about who the brown shirts were in the typical newsreel that we've all seen in documentaries on world war ii and on the nazis the folks that you would see driving around in military vehicles uh with the brown uniforms on and shorts very often who were uh beating up jews in the street and smashing their windows and standing around laughing at the jews and cutting their beards and all that kind of thing those were predominantly if not exclusively the brown shirts weren't they that's right and it was the s .a

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not the s .f the s .f was called the the lifeguard of adolf hitler they were the black uniforms uh that's who you see uh in a lot of the movies the gestapo and all that stuff it's the that was actually in a cult organization uh and they had uh they had all kinds of occult rituals related to the s .f

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but it was the it was the brown shirts the s .a that was sort of like the the foot soldiers the common uh the common people and uh they were the ones that were the beginning that was the power of the nazi party at the beginning and what most people don't realize and i didn't even know a lot some of this until i got a book uh by conrad heidt conrad heidt wrote a series of books about the nazis uh he had been a uh it was a newspaper man and he had spent a lot of time there you know before the war years all that very insightful man lots of information uh his book der fuhrer is pretty well known uh but there's a book that that came out uh before that uh called hitler a biography you can't get it in the united states i think this has all been purged i it cost me a hundred bucks to buy a copy from australia the only one i could find and in this book it goes through the the history before the nazi party and and where and it shows a picture that i didn't quite grasp before but now i it makes perfect sense that that germany uh was a completely marxist controlled society uh after after the uh turn of the century of the last century uh and that that just before the rise of the nazi party the the communists had taken control of russia and they were starting to move across the world and even into germany and it was the soviet style communists that represented the biggest threat to the socialist government that was in power the weimar government that was in power after world war one after the treaty of versailles and the and and they look like and these guys the soviet communists they were extremely violent they were like the brown shirts uh and uh and and uh killing people and beating people up and the brown shirts the fascists which is the third branch of marxism that was in germany all three of the powers in germany were marxist the brown shirts were used and and uh and recruited and built up by the socialist weimar government as a counterpoint to the soviet communists and they pitted them against them in the streets and so the brown shirts represented the salvation of germany from communism and that's why all over the world these pictures have just emerged in england where queen elizabeth and the others you know doing doing uh uh you know sieg heil salutes in the garden uh and and we know you know about here in the united states that the pro hitler the pro nazi fascist uh uh movement was huge in not but all over the world because the fascists represented the counterpoint to communism and it wasn't until later that we that we realized that fascism was just as bad or worse than communism but by then uh it was too late and we had a world war our hands yeah the brown shirts uh were the walk they were the ones that orchestrated the night of broken glass correct that's right crystal knock yes right right and uh that's those were the uh the newsreels that i was describing earlier that many of the documentaries show those were uh predominantly if not exclusively homosexual nazis perpetrating these crimes against jewish business owners and families and going back to the genesis of this i know that the from your book it is documented that the nazi party began as a group of a series of meetings or gatherings in a homosexual bar in germany and what was the agenda i know that although all of the individuals at these gatherings were either homosexual or they were dominated by homosexuals these gatherings uh what was the agenda was the agenda itself also involved with homosexuality well it's i mean i think that was just what brought these guys together uh the um uh the uh the the bratwurst glocka was the name of this particular bar ernst rome had a private table there in fact the owner uh peter graninger of that bar recruited boys from munich high school uh for this uh fascist group including ernst rome uh and that's documented by a by a uh in a book called the order of the death head which the new york times called a monumental achievement back in the 70s of course today they wouldn't uh let it be uh be shown on uh in their list but uh but that was the place where their goal their focus was overthrowing the socialist government uh that uh ernst rome was at that time a member of the another another uh uh nationalist organization called the iron fist uh and others and there were all kinds of nationalistic fascist leaning groups all over the place they were all furious at the at socialism and uh you know even though fascism is a different form of marxism uh the uh they were they were very hostile to the ideas of of uh of communism and and socialism and that's what their focus was taking the government back away and frankly i mean even though i don't like to see some of the parallels that's what's happening today that the germans were looking at their society being completely destroyed by the weimar government in the same way that that uh that obama is is doing it in our country and it's the same agenda obama has the exact same uh marxist agenda that the weimar government had and including rampant sexual perversion and uh breaking down the family taking control of all all the society and and uh taking everybody's money and redistributing it that's the same agenda but the and so the so the people that were involved with fascism at the time they were looking for a way out of that and and uh and and unfortunately the leader that rose uh to lead the the movement turned out to be just another marxist of a different kind uh who was just as bad or worse than the communists and the socialists and that's was that so that was what the agenda was uh at these meetings was how do we overthrow the weimar government and so uh just briefly as you can because of the fact that uh you always hear the drumbeat that nazism and communism or not or fascism and communism are polar opposites but they're really not are they're not no they are look let's look at the name national socialism it's right in the name right in fact nazi is a is a pejorative term it's a it's a uh a nickname that came uh with insult behind it uh originally in fact i i understand that the uh george lincoln rockwell when he founded the american nazi party there were there were uh national socialists that were upset by that name they wanted him to call it the american national socialist party because nazi was considered like a pejorative term like a more like mormon originally was or what have you right but he but he used it because of the shock uh value of the name nazi but uh so i guess we we really don't have time to exhaustively discuss the the fine differences between uh nazism and communism but could you give us any kind of a basic difference that would be inherent to each well it's uh economically the the fascist governments would let people own property but they controlled it with regulations heavy regulations so there was at least the the appearance of private property whereas under communism and socialism the government controls and owns everything that's really it from the economic perspective that's it but from uh from the street level there's really not much different in fact they that the brown shirts were were were mocked by uh by parts of german society as being called beefsteaks uh brown on the outside red on the inside and that's what they were the there really wasn't much to think it was sort of like republican and democrat today that uh that especially among the elites among the the establishment of both parties there's really not much difference between the two of them uh there's different flavors and you know they lean to one issue or the other but but in their hearts uh they'll they go for the same uh agenda related to money power uh morality etc we're going to be going to our first break right now if you do have a question for dr lively on our discussion today the pink swastika homosexuality in the nazi party also you can ask a question on anything that would be related the homosexual activist agenda in the united states today and similar subjects that would involve our topic if you want to write us our email address is chris arnzen at gmail .com

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that's wrbc .us welcome back this is chris arnzen i apologize that we were having some technical difficulties with our advertisements just a moment ago and hopefully those things will be ironed out very soon and we thank you for your patience this is the first time that i've had this level of difficulty on the program perhaps satan is assaulting my soundboard as we speak but this is chris arnzen of iron trepans iron if you've just tuned us in we have as our guest today dr scott lively and we are discussing his book the pink swastika homosexuality in the nazi party and i know that in the first at least three editions of the pink swastika you were very hesitant to label adolf hitler himself as a homosexual although you knew that he had some involvement in it as a male prostitute and other things from his past but you really reserved that identification of him until your upcoming fifth edition if i'm not mistaken but tell us something about that and why are you more convinced of his sexual proclivities now well uh we were we we basically would uh said that we were we were almost certain that he was homosexual but we weren't going to say it the evidence was very strong but uh...

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we didn't have quite enough uh... until uh... lothar machten's book came out uh...

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the hidden hitler uh... it must be ten years ago now that the book came out uh...

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it was the rights were purchased by a hollywood production company who put out a documentary on it downplaying the issue and then buried it uh...

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so unfortunately uh... the book did not get the play that uh... that it should you can still find the book uh...

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an internet search called the hidden hitler about that the whole thesis of the book was that hitler was a homosexual and uh...

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after reading that uh... and we've incorporated uh... a fair amount of that uh... of the details from that book into the fourth edition uh...

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of pink swastika so that is there already in the court uh... but uh... yeah i i don't think there's any question at this point uh...

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that hitler was in fact a homosexual he surrounded himself with male homosexuals his entire adult life uh...

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and uh you know he really fits the profile the more you know about uh... about uh...

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the homosexual community the way it operates the more hitler's behavior actually makes sense and uh...

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when lothar machten wrote his book he didn't even really have any kind of an agenda in opposition to homosexuality did he?

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no he's just a german history professor uh... he had access to a lot of documents and no one was covering this it was a uh...

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it was a uh... an unreported aspect uh... no one would touch it because it was politically incorrect uh...

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but he just went ahead and did it uh... and uh... and and you know thankfully he did because he exposed all of this documentation that had been uh...

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being suppressed for many years and just to go back to it there's actually a book the book that uh...

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inspired the mormon guy to come in and uh... to start looking into the issue himself was a nineteen forty five book by a german jew named samuel egra uh...

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his book was called uh... the german vice uh...

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and uh... that book was really sort of like a nineteen forty five version of the pink swastika much less documentation of course he didn't know all the stuff that we know today having gathered yet but uh...

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uh... you know what that but if this was not unknown and and uh... and the more you actually look at history books written before the seventies uh...

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you see that it's it's throughout the mall it's almost every in fact i don't can't think of a single uh...

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well there are a few i guess but uh... virtually all of the books history books written before nineteen seventy have references to homosexuality among the nazis and uh...

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that's why we have so much documentation i'm at the point now i don't think i'm gonna be able to put it all in uh...

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to the to the fifth edition that's just this is so much material we've already expanded if you look at if you go on the family dot com and look at the fourth edition the first four chapters there and then you look at scott lively dot net at my blog and look at the the fifth edition of the first four chapters which is all we've got done so far you'll see that it's dramatically expanded even over what was in the fourth so this is not a slight matter this is not a few facts sort of spun into something uh...

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some exaggeration uh... if anything we've understated the case just because there's so much very powerful documentation and then you have the uh...

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as you said earlier uh... as the uh... german army began to grow in numbers in the nazi party itself began to grow to the millions homosexuals became a minority within this movement and with within the german military uh...

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but it's interesting that i've uh... reading that there seemed to be a lot of knowledge by regular german army soldiers about the homosexual proclivities of the brown shirts and others in fact or they nicknamed the brown fairies oh yeah this was this was common knowledge to the society in those days in fact every time uh...

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you know that if you go back and look at the sequence of things remember when hitler went to jail what's called the beer hall pushing yeah uh...

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where they attempted basically the nationals attempted to take the government of bavaria what what he wrote my income from prison right here at regret my copter and uh...

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and and the reason he was a hero not because he tried to overthrow the government would because because he was the leader of the group that it stopped the communists in bavaria and uh...

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and that and uh... the story i was talking hitler a biography goes into those details well when he came out of of uh...

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of jail uh... he sort of made a public pledge which he kept that they would no longer use you know street military tactics to try to overthrow throw the government they would involve themselves in the legitimate political process the parliamentary system so the nazi party uh...

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shifted its focus to getting seats in the parliament and uh...

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and they steadily increased their influence year after year but whenever the elections would come up the the effeminate remember there's also in this process there's uh...

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at this situation there's two different camps divisions of homosexuals in germany at this time the masculine oriented which homosexuals you know like the guys that the motorcycle gang types of you know prison gang rape those of the those were the masculine oriented ones but the effeminate once like the most most typical when you see a t .v.

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in america the effeminate male homosexuals were completely divided and split and they were all lying that the uh...

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uh... the feminine homosexuals were aligned with the communists and uh... the masculine oriented were aligned with the fascist effect and made up the core of the fascist movement and uh...

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and so whenever the the nazi fascist would start to we would keep quick would start to show any growth in public support their rivals and enemies on the left uh...

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actually they're both on the left but uh... on the socialist communist side which would use the newspapers which they had a lot of influence in to publish stories about homosexuality among the nazis and it would hurt their uh...

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their ability to to gain seats that's ernst rohm by the way uh... was the most notorious he got arrested in some kind of scandal where someone was blackmailing him about him having sex with boys and he had to leave the country he went to bolivia for a while until hitler needed him and brought it back but uh...

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that was what was going on and so what hitler did as a way to counter that what he took and this is what this is the the real key to understanding what was really going on in nazi germany regarding homosexuals he took an increasingly harder line stance against homosexuality to prove that he wasn't homosexual even though he was right so it was a it was all a ruse uh...

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to to placate the german public which was not going to go for any of this sexual perversion especially because of of what was going on at the weimar government they had gigantic transvestite balls with hundreds of men dressed like women hundreds of women dressed like men they had prostitution that was so rampant in the cities you could get any kind of sexual activity that you wanted on the streets you know mother daughter prostitute teens father son this was and this is all out in the open and all known about this was what was going on under weimar it's kind of like san francisco today and that the people german people were not going to put up with as they were looking for somebody who's going to stop uh...

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all this uh... in disintegration of civilization and so hitler claiming to be the a moral advocate it was going to stop out homosexuality uh...

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and and all it was really doing or playing semantic games because the fascists the fascist we did not call themselves homosexuals homosexual was a term invented by the man who had started the scientific humanitarian committee which was the party that represented the effeminate gays and that that so that to the fact that the met the masculine almost uh...

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homosexuals didn't call themselves homosexuals that was a term of that they rejected completely that was a term for the fact they really have that they call themselves uh...

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special walks right there were they parkin back uh... to the fascist order of uh...

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of play -doh in the republic at the spartans you know that kind of of uh... persona and uh...

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and they they completely rejected the idea that anything they did was homosexuality that's what the feminine once again that that's a nominal also exists in islam and adherence to uh...

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islam and so forth uh... we we were being uh... enlightened about that by are against bill federer recently on iron sharpens iron uh...

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so the rise of so -called persecution and then there was a level of persecution against homosexuals they were homosexuals in the camps that's where the pink trial came from uh...

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triangle came from the notorious uh... pink triangle of that they were forced to wear on their uniforms or there uh...

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yeah but i guess you would call it a uniform a prison uniform uh... what what what was the origin of this uh...

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persecution and arrest and imprisonment of the homosexuals if there was a homosexual uh...

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agenda uh... by behind the nazis and and homosexuals in leadership that's what you typically will here by those uh...

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was scoffed at the premise of your of your book because they say we're talking about homosexuals were victims they weren't persecutors at the top of our i mean at that time homosexuals who are aligned with the scientific humanitarian committee and and the socialist communist uh...

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they were persecuted the nazis went after they were their political enemies these are the guys that kept up making sure that they got published in the newspapers about them about the fascists and so whenever chance every chance they got matter -of -fact when hitler finally came to power right and uh...

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in uh... it was may nineteen thirty three when he finally sort of uh...

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reached the pinnacle and and and uh... his power was sealed within a few days of that he set the brown shirts over to the headquarters of the scientific humanitarian committee uh...

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which was the this was the was sort of like mckinsey institute if anybody who's been your listeners know anything about this can be instead of sort of like or the group marker institute can be instituted the uh...

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is the repository for all sexual related materials and their and that and the and uh...

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the home of all the very expert witnesses regarding anything related sexuality etc that's what the scientific humanitarian committee what's it was the berlin institute of sexology at the time i was headed by a guy named magnus herschfeld and uh...

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and anyone who was convicted of crimes sex crimes in in germany at least in berlin area was sent to the institute for therapy right but i think it's going to be a better day to read the play and that they had to be accepted director liquid lumps outlets who who was uh...

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magnus herschfeld's right -hand man uh... he after the after the incident sacked by the brown shirts uh...

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at which which happened on may sixth nineteen thirty three the uh...

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loaded website the reason that they did that was because the institute had so many records and dot so much documentation on the sexual perversion of the nazis and he said that if they had forty thousand documents related to nazi perversions and and uh...

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that's what was being barred you know in the newsreels where you see the nazis burning books you know what that pile is that pile of material but they took from the site the sex research institute of berlin four days after they sacked it they obviously went through looking for stuff and then they had a big giant bonfire and they burned it and then they stood around the pile throwing in the novels of people that they didn't like and that's what the emphasis was but nobody knew that the material there was forty forty that would be included all these documents on uh...

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i'm not a perversion that's what was going on there and i was from the assistant director of the institute who is a self -homosexual and uh...

46:42

scott lively just to let you know is going to be on for the full two hours of our trip inside today but uh...

46:48

because i know that some people may be not able to listen to our second hour live i'd wanted to make sure that we plugged your uh...

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upcoming speaking event which is uh... very close to where i'm sitting right now in anvil pennsylvania you're gonna be speaking august twenty seventh and august twenty eighth which is a thursday and friday from six thirty to eight thirty p m at the saint john's evangelical congregational church in anvil pennsylvania and uh...

47:21

what are the topics going to be those two nights in anvil well we're going to be talking about the the math that uh...

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we found ourselves and after the supreme court ruling and the other things that uh... have happened regarding the homosexual takeover of the country what can what can christians do uh...

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when we're as we're increasingly under occupation by cultural marxist and uh...

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that can be the emphasis and i've been for twenty five years i've been a full -time christian social activist almost exclusively on the lgbt battlefront and uh...

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and i have especially in more recent years all of my efforts have been on creating resources to help people uh...

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for just such a time and uh... and so i'm starting to distribute those are trying to bring attention to them and encourage people take and use these resources as a as a means of self -defense and as a way of uh...

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occupying uh... the territory that we still have we still have some control over well just to give you an idea of how tragic uh...

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it is that the lgbt has become a uh...

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well -known acronym or acrostic even amongst children and uh...

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folks uh... across the board uh... whatever types of backgrounds or families they're from uh...

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just to give you an idea of what happened recently i happen to be in a church a conservative uh...

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theologically conservative church reform baptist is the uh... theological distinctive of our church and we adhere to a summary of biblical doctrine called the sixteen eighty nine london baptist confession of faith and uh...

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the son of a friend of mine saw me had a write down the uh...

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abbreviation of our church's confession of faith lbc f and when he saw that his immediate reaction was lbc is that the is that the gay thing this no i said no it has nothing to do with that at all which is just frightening when you think about it uh...

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but anyway uh... the phone number just so our listeners know how to contact the saint john's evangelical congregational church in anvil pennsylvania the phone number is seven one seven eight three eight eleven seventy one seven one seven eight three eight eleven seventy one is the phone number for saint john's evangelical congregational church in anvil pennsylvania and the event as i mentioned featuring doctor scott lively who's our guest today the event is being held thursday august twenty seventh and friday august twenty eighth six thirty to eight thirty p m and i believe this is free of charge isn't it yes it is the uh...

50:20

the thursday event is more of a of a lecture uh... and then uh... the uh... the friday event is more of a more of a seminar more hands on not in bulk but uh...

50:30

yes everything's free and i would love to have you come out here if you can make it yeah i'm not i'm actually planning to be there and god willing i will be there so uh...

50:41

uh... i'm looking forward to finally meeting you face to face after having a number of interviews with you on this issue and uh...

50:49

so i have heard even from liberal sources just going back to the persecution of homosexuals by nazis i've even heard about from liberal sources that had to admit very few of the homosexual prisoners were murdered uh...

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and most of those who died in the camps died of disease and things like that they were not in any way persecuted on a parallel level with the with the jews which is one of the reasons why i believe you and i and others and especially the uh...

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family members of holocaust victims and even some holocaust survivors who may be still alive one of the reasons that the some of them are vehemently angry and opposed to this notion that the homosexuals were victims on on a uh...

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parallel with the jews is that they are the leftist homosexual activists are the ones that are hijacking the holocaust and doing revisionism aren't they they're they're stealing they're stealing the compassion that we should rightly have towards the jewish people for this atrocity that occurred in history and they're trying to ride on the coattails of it aren't they that's right well the same way that they did with the civil rights movement and anything else these are parasitic opportunists the activists in this movement and uh...

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but they were stopped and to a large extent a few years ago after the pink swastika came out there was a jewish doctor uh...

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from new jersey i think who was a huge fan of the book and at the same time we're close with that without orthodox rabbi and uh...

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we just conceived of a project to take to send copies of the pink swastika all the orthodox rabbis in the country with a cover letter written by this doctor and so uh...

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we did hundreds and hundreds of copies of pink swastika went out and with a with the accusation that the holocaust museums were capitulating to the gays because of book for money right because there's a lot of homosexual big donors and uh...

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and that that and that they were essentially stealing the holocaust and uh... and that we pointed that out and you know the result of that and the result of the whole campaign of the pink swastika was we stopped in the united states so when no one knows as we get no recognition for it but we stopped them from using the pink triangle as the primary symbol of their movement uh...

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if if you had paid any attention at all to the to the almost lgbt movement back in the seventies or even in the eighties uh...

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you knew that that was the symbol of the movement if you saw the inverted pink triangle that was the gays and they were attempting to use that uh...

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that moral authority to came from being victims of the nazis as a way to build their the power base and that we stopped them from doing that they they stopped using the pink triangle and then they and they started using the rainbow and then my last book that publishes titled redeeming the rainbow a christian response to the gay agenda and i have been promoting a campaign of taking back the rainbow because that's god's symbol that uh...

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as they have no business taking that the rainbow represents the presence and authority of god himself emanates from his throne in heaven and that uh...

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and it's not an accident that that these guys have have taken and wrapped themselves in the rainbow that's not an accident this is deliberate belligerent uh...

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mockery of god and a and and perversion uh... and tarnishing of his the symbol of his presence one one excellent parallel i think when people say how on earth could be nazis uh...

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have been homosexuals and i've had uh... homosexual agenda uh...

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and so on other homosexuals were persecuted that makes no sense they would say well look at organized crime who were the dominant victims of organized crime the mafia et cetera ninety nine point ninety nine point i'm happy about it yeah ninety nine point nine nine nine nine percent of the people who were uh...

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brutally killed by them or other organized crime members and who's killing black youth on the streets of the inner city it's other gang members right i live in the inner city in springfield massachusetts i run an inner city mission and i think that's probably seventy five percent black i live there i live in the middle of the worst neighborhood on purpose and uh...

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you know the day we bought our house there was a shooting around the corner uh... today we took possession of the house and so i'm completely familiar with this i have absolutely no fear of walking around springfield not just because i have the holy spirit protecting me but because these guys aren't shooting random strangers they're shooting each other right that's so there's another example in support of your point and in a larger scale much larger scale islam the vast majority of muslims being tortured and murdered are muslims by other muslims uh...

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today in america there is pretty much and this is an astonishing political feat but they have they have essentially a monolithic uh...

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movement in the u .s. it's it's it's astonishing to me that the because of what we've seen everywhere in other places these guys are are just as factional as anybody else you're talking about the homosexual activists is that what you're saying?

56:24

the homosexual activists are in germany what we saw there it was they were at each other's throats they hated each other and there was this big divide and would kill each other and and uh...

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you know even after the night of the long knives uh... the uh... the brown shirts started being assassinated i mean the uh...

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i think it was uh... uh... fs members started being assassinated because they were part of the of this uh... purge and uh...

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and they would have notes taped on their on their clothes after they've been murdered said rome's avengers right so even after they're still uh...

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this uh... murder spree going on based on what camp you were in and they were all homosexuals on both sides of the aisle so there's nothing new under the sun there's people that understand uh...

57:08

how this uh... how human nature works well we are going to be going to our next break hopefully it will be more successful than the last one without technical error uh...

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and uh... we're we are not going away scott lively is our guest for another full hour to continue his discussion of the pink swastika homosexuality in the nazi party and we're actually expanding uh...

57:31

the theme into why we should be even concerned that this was a reality of history other than just a a a novelty that people might be curious about who are world war two uh...

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memorabilia collectors or something somebody who is fascinated by history especially world war two and germany and uh...

57:53

et cetera uh... there there are much more serious implications to this whole concept this is not just a fetish of some kind that our guest is involved in which is another interesting thing uh...

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which i'd like to have scott respond to when we return it's interesting how will number one insults that i find homosexual activists hurling at heterosexuals who uh...

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oppose their lifestyle whether they be christians are just morally conservative people that uh...

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the insult that is most active uh... most frequently hurled against us that i've seen is the insinuation that we are homosexual secretly uh...

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that we're hiding something about our proclivities in that net nature uh... and uh...

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self -loathing homosexuals and so on uh... but it's interesting that they don't make that claim against the nazis not even the contemporary ones uh...

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they don't even make the claim against the uh... the skinheads of the neo -nazis that exist uh... today but uh...

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we're going to be right back after these messages we'd love we we thank you for your patience those who have already written us questions from different parts of the united states and uh...

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01:01:29

i wanted to uh... eventually uh... arrange a debate on my program at some point in the future between scott and somebody who opposes his thesis that the homosexuality that the uh...

01:01:43

nazi party was predominantly in its infancy a homosexual group and that homosexuality was a uh...

01:01:53

main core part of the of the nazi party throughout its entire existence and in fact even today uh...

01:02:01

which we can touch on a little bit even with neo -nazis but uh... it is interesting that i scoured the internet for someone who has done any kind of a detailed rebuttal uh...

01:02:14

and of anything remotely detailed to scott's thesis and i haven't found anything uh...

01:02:21

i've just seen the uh... rambling accusations of liberals and homosexuals and homosexual advocates who market uh...

01:02:32

because obviously the best way to to get somebody not even to pick up and read a book or view a documentary or or what have you is to just insult it and make it laughable but uh...

01:02:45

the one evangelical that uh... was uh... saying things critical of dr lively's book he wouldn't go with it but was printed on the uh...

01:02:57

the internet was uh... was not in any way shape or form detailed there were no specifics rebutted or refuted and uh...

01:03:07

when i called him i tracked down his phone number and called him about five or six times uh...

01:03:14

inviting him to engage in a debate i never received any return phone call have you had any meaningful challenge to this scott yourself this suppresses the premise of yours i've had home by the way we're at uh...

01:03:28

this is now what is it the uh... twenty -year uh... anniversary uh...

01:03:34

of the first released the pink swastika uh... we're right around that date i don't remember exactly what the date was but it was in the late summer uh...

01:03:43

of uh... of nineteen ninety five and uh... we released the book at north convention in san francisco that year joseph nicolosi with president at that time and uh...

01:03:58

uh... and uh... so it's been twenty years but i had a standing challenge for twenty years anyone wills who will do who who will stand up and debate this topic and uh...

01:04:12

no one has ever uh... responded has anybody even done any kind of uh...

01:04:19

a point by point analysis were the the in any way in detail try to refute what you said is i just haven't found it yet well there is a there was a uh...

01:04:31

the first edition which is actually much uh... uh...

01:04:36

detailed which i wrote really well i was in and uh... unity college i didn't uh...

01:04:42

have the advanced uh... writing skills i mean i have to doctorate degrees now but uh...

01:04:47

i wrote the first edition with kevin abramson uh... back then the there was a a book called the or rebuttal called the annotated pink swastika you probably still find it out there and uh...

01:05:00

most of it was sort of petty and insignificant but there were some uh... genuine flaws in the uh...

01:05:09

that in covered i actually use that i use the whole document uh...

01:05:14

to uh... refine and strengthen the third edition and which of course all the subsequent additions incorporate all those changes uh...

01:05:23

that person did me a favor but uh... it's it's completely uh... obsolete now turn of its uh...

01:05:29

anything that was legitimate is no longer legitimate and uh... most of it was sort of silly uh...

01:05:37

and uh... and we have a repeat we have to repeat that the that a great number i believe you said nearly twenty five percent of the documentation in your book to prove the homosexual roots of nazi isn't uh...

01:05:52

with about twenty five percent of the documentation is from homosexual historians who were contemporaries of the nazis right well there's a there's another guy uh...

01:06:05

homosexual journalist uh... yohan harry uh... who uh...

01:06:12

apparently got a hold of a copy of the book as he mentioned in this article tell you about and uh...

01:06:18

and it it's bothered so much that he started looking into it for himself and it's uh...

01:06:24

and he writes a remarkably forthright article in the huffington post of all places called the the strange strange story of the gay fascist you can find that right now just go just just google or or or search strange strange story uh...

01:06:41

or of the gay fascist annual guilt that article will pop up and the whole thing is it is uh...

01:06:46

is a point -by -point admission the uh... uh... about homosexuality in in the modern fascist movement it doesn't go so much it mentioned a little bit about nazi ira and and earlier times but it's uh...

01:07:01

post -nazi uh... and uh... it's a great apiece but then at the end in order to sort of preserve his standing among the left he bashed the pink swastika as a as over -the -top etc which uh...

01:07:17

after having confirmed he says he had to throw that in there to sort of uh... prevent himself from being beaten up in the dark alley some night and uh...

01:07:25

going back going back to the uh... apparent contradiction where people are saying how could the nazis have had a homosexual agenda or how could they have been homosexuals uh...

01:07:38

if they were indeed in prison uh... homosexuals and if they were if hitler was making uh...

01:07:46

speeches condemning homosexuals in public uh...

01:07:52

a lot of this was to cover up the the dirt that the nazis had in their closets and who else would know about this dirt than other homosexuals right right right and even in this country if you do you know the matthew shepard you know matthew shepard is uh...

01:08:11

is the symbol of homosexual victims here in the united states in fact the national hate crimes law is called the the matthew shepard hate crimes law at well it it'll only came out to ten years after the fact that they get all of their political benefit from this and they've got traveling for presentations at elementary schools all over america on poor matthew shepard that the people that uh...

01:08:39

that murdered him uh... were former homosexual sex partners that uh...

01:08:45

and that it was had nothing to do with a with a uh... homophobic hate crime it was a drug deal that had gone bad and that came out from a k journalist put it all out of the book called the book of math and uh...

01:08:59

another one of the second of course that got a little bit of play right and then immediately it's buried and you know what these groups of people that you shepherd foundation all that they just kept going as if they'd never got revealed right there still this every you know you talk to you you hear the name matthew shepard they're still presenting this in public schools all over the america about matthew shepard was the victim they don't care about the fact that i care about the truth it's a convenient uh...

01:09:28

symbol and their it's like normal mccorvey uh... turning around and becoming a pro -life activist after having been uh...

01:09:36

the uh... the row in rovers is way practice these guys they don't care they're a liar to malicious liars and receivers and and nothing stops them from life and uh...

01:09:49

let's uh... uh... clarify something with uh... regard to you uh...

01:09:54

there are many people who think that you hate homosexuals that you want harm to come to them that you would somehow rejoice in in their death uh...

01:10:06

that you might be they might put you on the same plane as the abominable god hates fags group from westborough baptist church uh...

01:10:16

founded by the late fred phelps uh... what are your comments in reaction to that well you know this is uh...

01:10:24

this is a common uh... rhetorical tactic this is psychological manipulation they use the accusation of hate as a way to put everybody that opposes them on the defensive and it has nothing to do with facts that they know in most cases it's not true it's not true of me but they use it to to push back to and then what you see virtually anytime a pastor will stand up to say something in the case with a few that will actually stand up and say anything will always preface their statements talk about how much they don't hate homosexuals by implicitly validating the accusation against everybody else it's a it's a uh...

01:11:02

incredible public relations and propaganda victory that the gays have had and if you want to get a good synopsis of how this works uh...

01:11:12

just take a look at the introduction of the forward of redeeming the rainbow which you can read uh...

01:11:19

at defend the family dot com just click on the book cover you can read the read that read the introduction and the park and the purpose and you'll see uh...

01:11:27

my response that my wife and i took in a former homosexual man was dying of age into our home uh...

01:11:33

we had had four boys living at home uh... and and uh... and i still wasn't convinced that you couldn't get aids casually uh...

01:11:42

but the lord told me to do it and i did it as an act of charity and kindness and uh... and he lived with our family the last year of his life we nursed him through his through the process of his death i was there with him on the night that he died in the hospital uh...

01:11:55

you know i put my my wife and my whole family at risk out of love for a christian brother uh...

01:12:02

who was uh... a homosexual because at that point because at that point there was so little known about uh...

01:12:09

aids that uh... everyone thought that you might be able to get it casually yeah and that's uh...

01:12:16

and what we what we know now is that uh... aid to spread to receptive anal intercourse and that semen has a quality to it that breaks down the immune system and uh...

01:12:28

and that uh... you know if you really want to stop aids you just stop sodomy discourage sodomy uh...

01:12:35

you uh... and of course you're never going to stop it because that the whole campaign worldwide campaign uh...

01:12:42

is designed to foster the sexual revolution and perpetuate it not to restrict it and it's interesting that i know personally a christian man who has aids uh...

01:12:57

as a result of back in the eighties his wife who needed a blood transfusion after giving birth uh...

01:13:08

received aids contaminated blood when the when the uh... screening of blood was uh...

01:13:15

far less sophisticated than it is today and when there were there wasn't as much alarm about something like aids back then uh...

01:13:23

the wife contracted aids passed it on to her husband through marital relations and passed it on to their daughter through breastfeeding but because these this christian family had wholesome moral lifestyles uh...

01:13:42

they the the disease did not ravage them like it does typically with uh...

01:13:51

a lot of homosexuals uh... because they continue the behavior that uh...

01:13:56

destroying their immune system right in fact the husband only recently uh...

01:14:03

uh... keep in mind this is he contracted it in the eighties he only recently began taking medication for the symptoms at this so i mean it's uh...

01:14:13

it's just a remarkable and and the daughter married a uh... a man uh...

01:14:19

who knew of the condition of of the daughter and uh...

01:14:25

they have a child who is aids free and the husband is aids free so it's just amazing what uh...

01:14:30

the lord is doing with that family but uh... just before we uh... conclude the chapter other than questions from the audience that might wanted to discuss specifically the book when you when you had the nazi machine being a a global power that was dominating the world and came very close to conquering the world uh...

01:14:57

how much of homosexuality was actually a part of that that huge uh...

01:15:03

evil machine com com pop com prized of millions of adherence well i think uh...

01:15:11

you when you're talking about that that the desire for global conquest at that at the kind of antichrist spirit and uh...

01:15:21

demonic uh... satanic mentality that has all kinds of different you know adherence to it uh...

01:15:29

it's not exclusive to homosexuals but a person who's given himself over to add to an identity that directly contradicts teaching of god and which your which you identify yourself by your rebellion against the uh...

01:15:46

the the natural order that keep this evidence to you by your own body there's something uh...

01:15:52

special ramifications for that and uh... i've just finished doing uh...

01:15:58

uh... an eighteen page article uh... titled the forgotten last day's warning about homosexuality of the bible sir it's a genesis revelation analysis of all the scriptures related almost actually put together no one's ever done this before uh...

01:16:13

put together in a sequence in terms of the context the meaning etc and it is a it is astonishing uh...

01:16:21

that uh... how stark and serious the warning is uh... about uh...

01:16:27

not necessarily individual homosexuality a person practicing it but the social acceptance the rise of homosexuality in in society is really to be a harbinger of the wrath of god and uh...

01:16:41

amazing thing you'd find that on my blog to the forgotten last day's warning and then i'd be a bit a trifold brochure of the bullet points from the from the scripture uh...

01:16:52

and the short little summary of each one of them in a brochure title uh... not just another step uh...

01:16:58

that were distributing the pastors around the country uh... in order to bring pastors up to speed on just what the bible says because what's going on right now is uh...

01:17:08

they're all this pressure specially from the accusation of hate uh... and uh... and uh...

01:17:13

the constant drumbeat against uh... christians about how we hate homosexuals is that christians are having a tent have a tendency to try to show how much they don't hate homosexuals and to downplay the significance of homosexuality as a way to try to placate gay movement and so they'll use the phrase and you hear very very often you'll hear oh it's just another sin this is not just another sin it's absolutely not the scripture treats this in a way it treats nothing else there's the only sin associated with the literal destruction of incineration of four cities with uh...

01:17:53

with fire and brimstone it's the only sin that god chose to identify with the reprobate mind and the culture of apostasy of romans one it's unique among all the scriptures uh...

01:18:04

all the sins addressed in the bible and that uh... and this idea of downplaying it and you hear pastors all the time will get up and talk about oh you know gossip this and that no absolutely not yes also we'll uh...

01:18:21

without christ also in is deserving of death right this you cannot come into the presence of god with anything so murder is the same as gossip but among human beings uh...

01:18:34

sin has different levels of consequences that's why something that capital punishment something have no listed punishment at all even though they're their identified ascent spot but homosexuality is unique among all of them and we must not fall into this uh...

01:18:52

this situation of saying all it's just like anything else it's not and of course we must also uh...

01:18:59

be very cautious just like we do all areas of life as christians we must be very cautious not to imitate the pharisees and to look upon uh...

01:19:11

those at who are homosexuals as a reason that to bolster up our own self -righteousness and right and view them with uh...

01:19:21

lack of humility and compassion and act as if that we are somehow innately more righteous than these people are that's right that's what we cannot use someone else's dirtiness to try to pretend that we're clean because there's none righteous no not one and all our righteousness is filthy rags before the lord so have to keep it in perspective we have to have humility in ourselves regarding where we're at i'm not uh...

01:19:49

i'm not sin free i don't know about you uh... and and i need jesus christ as much as any homosexual does in order to be able to enter into the presence of god uh...

01:19:59

but it's but in terms of dealing with social problems in dirt terms of dealing with it with uh... with the second commandment of uh...

01:20:07

of uh... regulating human society in a way that's going to have benefit for people about harm to them the sexual revolution all sex outside of marriage is enormously destructive and the further you get from the standard of one flash one man one woman in monogamous lifetime marriage furthest you get from that the the further you go from that standard the greater the amount of harm that's done to the society not just the individual practice of it but the social acceptance of the practice of it and uh...

01:20:41

you know we've just now in entrenched in our uh... in our society here in america we have just entrenched uh...

01:20:49

sodomy as a constitutional right and hope so -called gay marriage uh...

01:20:55

is now trumpeting uh... that the the constitution yeah you know and and it's it's it's uh...

01:21:02

gives me great cause of concern when you very frequently here evangelicals with a desire a right to desire to openly demonstrate love and compassion to those involved in homosexuality they have naively or unconsciously and i'm i'm i'm giving the benefit of the doubt by saying unconsciously they've adopted concepts of this sin the liberals have been brainwashing humanity to believe for quite a long time and i'll give you an example why on earth are evangelicals and and pastors identifying homosexuals or those who are participating in homosexual activity as the gay community that gives it the air of an ethnic group or race or nationality and you know to me that's absurd we don't use phrases like the the the uh...

01:21:59

thief community or the adulterer community or or all these other abominable sins the murderer community why is it that there is a gay community uh...

01:22:12

well you know that it's fear of man instead of fear of god across the board in our society today why is america collapsing around us before our eyes it's because the christians have uh...

01:22:26

won over by the world the we we have to be stopped being world changers ourselves fulfilling the great commission and we have instead been recruited into secular humanism uh...

01:22:41

public school system starts with every single person uh... in preschool uh...

01:22:47

the public schools are temples of secular humanism there's no other way to put that and i'm gonna step on toes here but there's no christian parents should ever voluntarily put their children into public schools it is a it is an outrageous uh...

01:23:03

breach of parental responsibility to turn your children over for however many hours a day to be inculcated in values that directly contradict the truth of god directly contradict it's no wonder that that virtually all like eighty five ninety eighty ninety five percent of kids who grew up in christian homes and even go to sunday school and and sometimes even christian schools will be completely transformed within the first few months of college because they just they don't have any any uh...

01:23:38

per protection against the uh... secular humanist juggernaut that's what we're facing and that and why how we come to that place it's fear of man and better fear of god and where we just have simply and if you want to look at the really get down you know we talk about homosexuality abortion all the time at the big sins they pale in comparison to the number one primary send of america and that is deep thronging the god of heaven from up already over our country in nineteen forty seven in everson versus board of education when we established secular humanism as the religion of america officially in arc through constitutional law uh...

01:24:21

and set that uh... that that that the secular government has the power to arbiter the uh...

01:24:28

the competing claims of various dvd if they all need to be uh... they're all equally subservient to the secular humanist authority and god was dethroned at eighty was a coup was declared in nineteen sixty one by the same majority opinion writers you go black as an equal religion that they believe that there is no doubt is equal to believe that there is a god in america they ought to be treated equally and that that's what's in power to build appears to do a campaign to remove every shred of christianity from public life that is the same that's the that's the breaking up the first command you shall have no other god before me and and the reason we have not been able to stop any of these other things that were fighting is because we have never addressed that and we just simply capitulate to it and accept this whole concept of religious pluralism where america is a land of all these different religions we have to be tolerant toward that is not what the founding fathers established that is not the truth and we will never ever turn this trend around as long as we continue to to allow that the that the country to go forward on the belief that the claim that uh...

01:25:40

that jesus christ is not uh... supreme and that uh... that he's equal to mohammed and buddha and all the the hindu deities etc etc that's the number one sin that we're facing and uh...

01:25:53

sorry about that rant no that's completely uh... thankfully i agree with the rant so but uh...

01:26:00

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01:26:08

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01:26:49

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01:26:54

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01:29:00

this is seems to be some kind of a just a peculiar fetish of yours to talk about this and it's kind of resembling a bizarre conspiracy theory kind of thing that uh...

01:29:11

we we would just like to sit around and laugh about why do you think it's so important and why is it so vital for christians and others to learn about this now and in the twenty first century well i mean uh...

01:29:24

version of what happened in germany has happened right before our eyes control of our country is now falling into the hands of people who define themselves by this particular sexual perversion and uh...

01:29:39

you know they thought they didn't do it with jack boots and and uh... and you know smashing up buildings but they have done it by suppressing speech and other everything else at the fascist did and uh...

01:29:50

and so we're facing essentially the same danger ultimately uh... that we faced with nazism which is control of the society in the hands of people uh...

01:30:01

who want to control everybody else's lives and uh... and work report couple change that the entire social fabric but uh...

01:30:09

more most importantly i think uh... what the pink swastika teaches is that the bible is true that uh...

01:30:16

if uh... if you agree romans one uh... from eighteen to thirty two and you see that the warning that paul gets especially when you line that up you overlay the only two places in the scripture that laundry list of behaviors that define apostasy uh...

01:30:33

it's romans one and it's uh... first timothy chapter three in the last days perilous times will come analyst virtually the same uh...

01:30:44

set of people on the list of of apostate behaviors that uh...

01:30:50

this book is a documentary evidence in support of what both of those passages are warning uh...

01:30:59

people special the church about and uh... do not fall prey to this idea that uh...

01:31:06

that homosexuality is a harmless said that it's not instead it is always been associated with tremendous social upheaval and calamity every time you've seen in human history uh...

01:31:20

homosexuality become accepted to a large extent it's been just before the collapse of the society and in the biblical context it's been just before the wrath of god is unleashed and that's why it is so it's such a serious matter for the united states of america which has defined itself from its founding as a christian nation even after nineteen forty seven we've still perpetuated this idea that we are christian nation as we've increasingly become post -christian but uh...

01:31:50

but for america to have done this uh... established gay marriage uh...

01:31:55

at the constitutional right so -called uh... that is the most serious thing we i think we've ever done in the history of the country it's it's worse than than any other decision that i can think of except for uh...

01:32:09

nineteen forty seven yet it is it is rather remarkable that's a just like in the days of the nazis a tiny handful of sadists uh...

01:32:22

nearly conquered group grew to a an empire that nearly conquered the entire world and today we have uh...

01:32:29

a tiny minority of people who are involved in sexual activity that is damnable in the sight of god abominable inside of god just seemingly taking over the the minds of of a nation in the world it's and obviously there are a lot of people who are not actively involved in homosexuality who have made this possible uh...

01:32:54

through their support and their activism and and so on in their political their military or a political power yeah you know chris every every one of your listeners needs to educate himself about the frankfurt school of cultural marxism uh...

01:33:10

that's really where this comes from as the as the nazis were coming to power in germany uh...

01:33:16

there was a a school of marxism uh... under a man named herbert marcusa uh...

01:33:23

in frankfurt germany that took the whole idea of marxism and shifted its focus away from economics and towards social issues as the way to bring down the civilization remarks was always about tearing down the existing civilization in order to build on the ashes utopian society that he believed we were eventually evolving toward and that he said why wait all this time let's just take down what exists and then we can put we can build up what we know it's going to look like in the future now that's what marxism has always been about destroying really uh...

01:33:59

judeo -christian civilization really because it's been happening in the western world uh... and replacing it with utopian socialist order well the cultural marxists under marcusa they came out with the idea of instead of focusing on economics focused on social issues and herbert marcusa came over here to the united states uh...

01:34:18

he became the the the darling of the left uh... in the nineteen thirties and forties and all the way up into the sixties he was at berkeley he was at columbia he was at all at all the elite universities where he taught his drivel uh...

01:34:32

and uh... but he's the guy that uh... put together the agenda and basically the three parts of the agenda is uh...

01:34:41

sexual revolution which he which the homosexuals were the perfect put soldiers for and they adopted his agenda whole cloth in nineteen sixty eight uh...

01:34:50

overtly uh... this is straight out of the gay historic historical publications uh...

01:34:57

radical feminism to break down the patriarchal society and uh...

01:35:02

race conflict those are the three things that uh... that he promoted from the thirties and in the nineteen sixties in the youth revolution that's who they were following was herbert marcusa conservative don't even know who this guy is he is at least as destructive to our society uh...

01:35:19

to american society as karl marx uh... and uh... and some of the other markets i heard some of the others and nobody knows who he is so research going go i could watch some of the youtube videos on frankfurt school and herbert marcusa you'll just see how credibly influential this guy was and that's what's happened over the course of these years these these people the left has been following you know solinsky was a student of parker kusa right everybody else most people know elizabeth elizabeth was a student of marcusa took his ideas and just simply uh...

01:35:54

you know uh... made them more applicable to security organizing or not are we do basically we have a listener in ligonier pennsylvania david painter of the gershner studies center says it may be of interest to ask scott about h s in a pluralistic society and the fact that it is christians who are not only the moral compass in society but the only segment of any society that actually comprehends true civility people like oz guinness india carson have written on this oz guinness is books on culture and politics are all outstanding and carson in his expected clarity speaks to many issues uh...

01:36:42

in the gagging of god and made the lord uh... richly bless labor of scott lively's hands in the cause of the kingdom of christ well you have any comments on that which is more of a comment on the question well i think what he makes the point of christians are supposed to be and and usually happen history salt and white and that uh...

01:37:05

and that's exactly the case without without christ in the world it's one rotten festering mess and wherever christians come into it and they actually live as christ uh...

01:37:17

making the world a better place uh... for the people around their own families etc there is a there is a cleansing and healing that takes place in the presence of christians and when they leave or when they turn away from god the blessings that they put together you know we we're we're in and up to a large extent right now we are the victims of our own success or the success of our forebears it's our great -grandparents and and uh...

01:37:43

and their parents that established the christianity that that gave us the prosperity and the security that we all grew up taking for granted and uh...

01:37:53

and yet uh... we didn't give god the credit for it uh... some of us still do this is a remnant but the society as a whole did not give god the credit for it and his hand of blessing has been put withdrawn or is withdrawing and we're experiencing the consequences of that but when people do what god tells us to do we are a blessing we receive a blessing we are a blessing uh...

01:38:15

when we stop doing that when we move out of an area corruption uh...

01:38:21

and and and rot sets in we do have another listener in gardeners pennsylvania uh...

01:38:28

brian from gardeners pennsylvania in light of the recent supreme court decision on gay marriage do you expect to see churches being penalized and or pastors being imprisoned if they refuse to perform a gay marriage and do you think that churches can freely speak if they are indeed under the auspices of a five oh one c three status when they are actually a corporation of the state excellent questions well uh...

01:38:56

the i don't i don't have the same problem with c threes about i'm also an attorney in addition to being a pastor i do not that see the problem with c threes other people do there's nothing about a c three that prevents you from uh...

01:39:09

from standing for the truth of god in any way and frankly it's just an excuse that people who want not to do nothing use to do nothing and uh...

01:39:19

i have a c three divided by the truth ministry with everything i'm talking about that i've been around the world promoting almost as i've been sued for crimes against humanity and federal court in springfield massachusetts for preaching its homosexuality in uganda i'm the most forthright uh...

01:39:34

boldest uh... speaker on this agenda and i operate through a c three is nothing wrong with c three it's the people who are using the c three as the excuse that of the problem uh...

01:39:45

if a pastor wants to stand for god if a pastor wants to wants to even endorse candidates from the pulpit he can do that there's a whole movement uh...

01:39:54

that's being sponsored by the alliance defending freedom where every year they have pulpit freedom sunday and all the pastors did a sermon endorsing someone for office and videotape and send it to the iraq trying to get the iraq to bring action against somebody because they're trying to take the law down to the completely unconstitutional uh...

01:40:18

that's my comment on that let's uh... briefly talk about an organization that seems to have had a very noble and moral and wholesome purpose uh...

01:40:31

in its coming into existence and that is the southern poverty law center uh...

01:40:37

which was primarily i believe uh... an organization that rose into existence because of the fact that you have the ku klux klan and white supremacist hate groups who were burning down churches and bombing churches and hanging black citizens of this country and performing all kinds of atrocity atrocious and brutal uh...

01:41:04

murderous things that they were they were uh... inflicting upon the the black community here in the this country in the south uh...

01:41:13

even as late as the uh... nineteen sixties and even even after but but uh...

01:41:18

obviously in a more uh... numerically horrific way uh...

01:41:25

in the sixties and prior uh... what what happened to this group and isn't it amazing that they become it seems one of the number one homosexual rights activist groups is acting in my opinion in their with their attitude towards christians genuine bible -believing christians they're acting much in the same way that the ku klux klan would act towards minorities right uh...

01:41:51

well southern poverty law center they were they were uh... only a uh... good organization very early years uh...

01:41:59

but uh... but more of these uh... became a uh... profit -oriented maybe start out that way and uh...

01:42:07

that's really what it's a fundraising organization more than anything else it's got millions and millions of dollars uh...

01:42:14

in endowment for them and use those fun to just keep it's it has perfected direct mail and other fundraising schemes using uh...

01:42:24

but the threat of uh... of uh... white supremacy of other things like that too uh...

01:42:30

to milk the naive uh... left a lot of little old ladies uh...

01:42:37

you know pouring out all kinds of money on the fear that somehow there's going to be a uh... ku klux klan uprising in their neighborhood or something uh...

01:42:45

because of the rhetoric of these guys and then they when they when they're stopped being real uh...

01:42:52

serious racist uh... threat at all you know they would tell exaggerate anything but uh...

01:42:58

what but even that wasn't able to produce the kind of money that they were used to they would be needed another cash cow and so they at they started going after christians for opposition to homosexuality and that turned out i think to be even more lucrative for them that the uh...

01:43:15

racist uh... because the homosexuality is enormously wealthy and uh...

01:43:21

and so they have become a tool of gay social engineering and a pitbull vicious attack dog uh...

01:43:30

against groups like jonah uh... jews offering hope for homosexuals uh...

01:43:36

they were just uh... just lost their lawsuit in new jersey the southern poverty law center brought the lawsuit against that uh...

01:43:44

as for for a uh... under the fraud statutes of the state by saying that they could help homosexuals to overcome their their uh...

01:43:55

problems and see that's a that that's a team going out to the united states right now is that uh...

01:44:02

audaciously they are simply using the fact that they have the power in the courts and enough of the population is completely duped about what any of the stuff means to now start claiming that uh...

01:44:15

saying that homosexuality is transient condition you can recover from is criminal fraud and that's what uh...

01:44:25

that's what southern poverty law center is and it's ironic that they would label you uh... as uh...

01:44:31

was a public enemy number one was it what were you uh... in regard to the uh...

01:44:36

uh... yeah uh... it's amazing that they you can find on the internet articles that they have published by written by members of their own organization who admit that there was a strong homosexual element in the nazi party and even going through neo -nazi groups today it's it's just that's the book at the pink swastika is the reason they first start naming the hate group and i actually do that there was a reporter that called me from uh...

01:45:09

california here at one point i was on the east coast and uh... basically he was writing a story and he was actually talking with the southern poverty law center as well and i told him just ask him you know what is it that would do that i would have to do in order for them to take me off their hate list and uh...

01:45:29

and they uh... they responded back to him saying that i would have to recant the pink swastika they have admissions on their own website that confirm part of my thesis at least part of it and uh...

01:45:43

you know and of course and i've also challenged them to put up or shut up and debate me on it but of course they won't yes and just so our listeners know that uh...

01:45:53

someone even if they don't know who our guest today is scott lively uh... somebody who has become very popular amongst many christians uh...

01:46:02

who has become a dear friend of our friend of my friend doctor james are white of alpha omega ministries michael brown uh...

01:46:10

he is uh... on the list as well of enemies of the state because of uh...

01:46:17

hate crimes uh... in in speech and writing in their minds that just it just totally warped and the twisted world that we're living in uh...

01:46:27

and uh... as far as the uh... it is interesting a lot of people are unaware that even amongst the contemporary uh...

01:46:38

nazi groups in our day going all the way through the sixties and seventies and eighties and nineties up to today there has been a significant element of homosexuality even amongst the neo -nazis and skinheads hasn't there yes well you know uh...

01:46:55

lincoln rockwell who was the head of the american nazi party back in the fifties uh...

01:47:01

uh... was in uh... investigated for homosexuality was he was a homosexual you know in the pink swastika got a section on that dealing with american uh...

01:47:11

nazism but even in that you know i've been encouraged by the uh...

01:47:17

the nationalist organization in france you know that uh... look look and marina pen until i found out that her number two guy is all open homosexual and uh...

01:47:28

and in england the national front also except several of its main leadership and homosexuals there's just something about fascism the tracks uh...

01:47:37

certain type of male homosexual like mocked to a point and that was admitted in that uh...

01:47:44

that joe johan harry article the strange strange story of the gay fascists uh...

01:47:49

it's it's something about uh... the ability to control other people's lives and uh...

01:47:56

that's the phenomenon that you see growing up the police state than that the third right was the prototype the ultimate prototype of the police state and that's where we're headed right now here in america who is it who's behind all this uh...

01:48:12

who is it that wants to have this level of control we've never seen the kind of intrusion individual people's likes like we see under obama who i think is a homosexual uh...

01:48:22

if he isn't homosexual he's certainly the the number one gay activist of the world uh...

01:48:29

he's passed the u .s. state department to promote the homosexual agenda throughout the entire world and they're doing it uh...

01:48:36

he lit the white house up with the rainbow colors on the night of the uh... okay marriage ruling it just one thing after another along with that is that that uh...

01:48:48

minutiae control and people asking why are the republicans not putting up any resistance to obama or well it's i think it's because he's got dirt on everybody he used that and this is something people don't know either homosexuals didn't used to be able to get top search secret security clearance in the united states it was bill clinton that gave them that by executive order after he failed to push through days in the military which was the first thing he tried to do when he came into office people forget this all the way back to bill clinton that this is how much power these guys have had all the way that that that the newly elected president of the united states his first part major issue was gays in the military and uh...

01:49:31

and then when they when he when he got knocked down on that he then lifted the ban on homosexuals getting into the into top secret security clerks so from that point open homosexuals were able to move into all of the corners of cover copy intelligent community without having to hide themselves and so ever since the first cute the first year of bill clinton these guys have been building upon and this is how do you look at the operated across our whole society it's step -by -step incremental uh...

01:50:05

uh... acquisition and control it's like the board uh... you know going across the universe just uh...

01:50:11

appropriating everything that encounters in its place and using it as a further stepping stone to advance its agenda and that's what these guys have been doing and so i think they've got dirt on everybody and uh...

01:50:23

they're using that and they're solidifying their control right now and this is the last point uh...

01:50:29

i coined this right by and that that this scale that uh... i've been encouraging people to to pay attention to that that we're at this homosexual agenda anywhere it happens in the world it goes through a five -stage process tolerance and acceptance celebration then forced participation in gay culture and then punishment of dissenters five stages we just in the supreme court ruling have established stage four as the norm of our society the forced participation in gay culture is now going forward with all the force of the of our government the police power of the state in cooperation with the media the public education system every major influential public institution uh...

01:51:18

is now wrapped up in this process of everyone is being forced to now participate in gay culture and the beginning of the persecution of the dissenters has begun i'm kind of a canary in the coal mine because i've been out front on this so i've been a target for longer everyone who stands up on this issue and you have to if you're a bible -believing christian is gonna face persecution i uh...

01:51:42

just mark my words i'm not the only one saying this obviously uh... in about two minutes if you could or actually about a minute can you comment on your association with uganda there are many people who view your involvement in the uh...

01:51:59

laws enacted to uh... make homosexual activity illegal in uganda and subsequent uh...

01:52:08

brutal crimes that are allegedly taking place against homosexuals in uganda they are tying you in with that as proof that you do indeed hate homosexuals and want harm physical harm to come to them do you comment about a minute on that before we run out of time well it won't do it justice but just know that these people are malicious deceivers they always have been they lie about everybody that disagrees with them and that uh...

01:52:36

and that the more that they see a threat from you the greater the amount of lying and slander and propaganda they're going to use against you that's what's going on in relation to uganda i love homosexuals i want them to be saved and healed i don't want anybody to be hurt i have never promoted violence or hatred against homosexuals and uh...

01:52:57

and i would stand in the way if someone was going to be harmed uh... just because they were uh...

01:53:04

they were homosexual god's gonna deal with them uh... we're not supposed to be uh... uh...

01:53:09

enacting his judgment he's the one uh... who does that and of course when i when i saw a documentary on what is taking place in uganda in regard to uh...

01:53:20

christians and pastors and churches being opposed to homosexuality there was some strange stuff i think going on uh...

01:53:27

in churches where they were showing gay porn in a way to no no no no don't don't don't fall into that trap i know martin sempa he's a good godly man uh...

01:53:37

all he was doing is just simply showing people it's no different than us showing abortion uh... bloody pictures of abortion that's what was going on bart sempa was not showing gay porn giving people example of the of different kinds of behavior that are that's engaged in as a way for them to be inoculated against it and to know what they were up against you can't trust any of those documents uh...

01:54:01

documentaries you know george soros uh... has funded to put out a whole bunch of money uh...

01:54:06

grant he had a grant program and anybody who wanted to do a documentary on on uh... uganda could get it could get one of these grants that's where there's so many of them i've been in several of them i just have decided i could be in any more effective to turn the guy down this morning from the u k that wants to do another one uh...

01:54:24

but they're they're full of lies uh... and uh... you've got it are have been in christian revival for years now it's a country with lots of challenges but these are these are good christian people there hasn't been any murders of all cycles nobody's being tortured in secret chambers in in and you've got a all the accusations that are being listed by the human rights organizations are self -reported by the gays themselves and there's no corroborating evidence and we were out of time scott and i just want to thank you for being on and i want all of our listeners know including those involved with homosexuality that jesus christ is a far far greater savior than you are a sinner we uh...

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thank you all for listening i thank you scott lively uh... and your website i believe is defend the family dot com yes and and scott lively dot net is my blog well i thank you so much for being a part of our participant on our program today and please all of you uh...