F4F | Vlad Savchuk's Scripture Twisting RE: Generational Curses

Rick Warren’s Misuse of Psalm 2:4 and the Biblical Hook

Welcome to another installment of fighting for the faith. My name is Chris Roseboro. I'm your servant in Jesus Christ. This is the channel that compares what people are saying in the name of God to the Word of God.

So I'm going to take the advice of Kosti Hinn and spend a little bit more time.

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Focusing on the young guns that are coming up within the charismatic movement who are dangerous. That would be men like Vlad Savchuk, David Diga Hernandez, Isaiah Saldivar and others and Today's episode is going to be focusing on Vlad Savchuk.

This is a guy you should avoid like the plague. You should mark and avoid him because his theology is.

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Yeah, yeah. Low-riz for sure. But all that being said well I'm gonna have to back all of this up and today is the day when we're actually going to go back in time and reprise ourselves of the.

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Blazing saddles Bible study to make a point so lots of things we need to do here, but we're gonna be focusing in on Vlad Savchuk. You know history who he's been hanging around with who's influenced him and show how it's impacted his preaching.

Demonstrate that he's a false teacher by his mishandling of biblical text. So all of that being said, let's whirl up the desktop and we're gonna start with our web browser today and Over at the pirate Christian website.

Yeah pirate Christian comm Under the section called blogs captain's log. I have my own blog there that I write for Rarely nowadays, you know, but from time to time and back on April 4th Revised and And put back up what we call the blazing saddles Bible study and all of this is to make a point because there's a certain way in which False teachers mishandle God's Word.

In fact, there are multiple ways in which they do it. And well, I'll give you a resource on how you can identify some of those ways. But this was brought on back in July of 27 I created the blazing saddles Bible study as a reaction to An article that was published in the Christian Post written by none other than Rick Warren and the name of the article was Titled learn to laugh and this thing is a an egregious Mishandling of God's Word and I'll explain that to you as we go.

So learn to laugh. Well, I've go ahead. I went ahead and posted a link to this in the blazing saddles Bible study. But let's take a look at how Rick Warren mishandles certain biblical texts and He is known for his mishandling of biblical texts.

If you've ever read the purpose-driven life and actually went back and biblically fact-check how he was quoting scripture. Then you know, he twisted scripture egregiously in that book and every other book.

He's written. But here's how this article which was written all the way back in 20 7 2007 and Here's what Rick Warren wrote? Do you know that people who laugh live longer? He says it's true. Proverbs 14 30 says a relaxed attitude lengthens a man's life.

And that's from the Living Bible humor is an amazing thing. It's a tension dissolver. It's an antidote to anxiety. It's just like a tranquilizer, but without any Troublesome side-effects it is free. You don't even need a prescription.

Laughter is a is life's shock absorber. If you want to have less stress in your life learn to laugh at your circumstances somehow. You must find the fun in the frustrating by the way I get I get ridiculed for doing this all the time because one of the things we do is we use humor and satire to demonstrate the absurdity of What false teachers are preaching and teaching.

I Continue though with the article someone once asked President Lincoln how he handled all the stresses of the Civil War. He said if it hadn't been for laughter I could not have made it. Many famous comedian comedians grew up in poor neighborhoods with lots of problems.

They coped with their troubles by learning to laugh and making others laugh. Now, by the way, is this a Christian doctrine? No, so learn to laugh. If you can laugh at all at laugh at it you can live with it and Besides if you learn to laugh at your troubles You'll never run out of anything to laugh at.

Life is full of funny situations. Will Rogers once said I don't know any jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. Proverbs 17 22 says be cheerful. Being cheerful keeps you healthy. That's from the GNB.

I have no idea what translation that is. That's another way to twist up the scriptures is quote from things out of context from multiple different translations until they all say the things you want them to say so we all need to develop a sense of humor and Here it comes.

Here comes the big Bible twist. One of my favorite verses in the Bible Rick Warren says is Psalm 2 4 and Immediately, I'm asking the question. Why would this be one of your favorite verses? So here's how he misquotes it.

The one enthroned in heaven laughs. That's see there you go that proves that God has a sense of humor, right? So it says isn't that a great verse. God has a sense of humor. God laughs. Have you ever seen the face of an orangutan?

God thought that one up this proves that he has a sense of humor. Do you want to be more like God? Then you need to learn how to laugh. A sense of humor can preserve your sanity. Now I am trained in countercult apologetics one of the Standard works for anybody studying countercult apologetics is this book that titled scripture?

Twisting by James W Sire. Now this goes way back by the way and in fact the late Walter Martin oftentimes promoted this particular text as Kind of a primer on learning how to spot how the cults twist scripture and and in fact, let's do this.

Let's take a look at when this thing came out 1980 by InterVarsity Press so this one goes back a ways and I'll put a link to it down below in the description to this video and Taking a look at the table of contents.

What Sire did was come up with 20 different standard ways, you know, or recurring ways in which the cults twist the scripture and The third one is the one we're going to look at today. Misreading number three, which is called the Bible biblical hook.

Let's take a look at what Sire wrote in his book on scripture twisting. Here's what he said when scripture is quoted. Especially at the beginning of an argument which turns out to promote a cult doctrine or point of view.

It may be that it is being used primarily as a hook to grasp the attention of readers or listeners. The Bible says gets the attention but what follows the quotation may be far from the traditional Christian teaching and Far from the intention of the Bible itself.

One of the major rhetorical uses of the Bible or any source of high-quality quotes such as Shakespeare Homer Dante or even such modern writers such as Dostoyevsky CS Lewis or Francis Schaeffer is as a.

Pretext for.

One's own Ideas. Listen to what he said. They're using the Bible is rhetorically as a pretext for your own ideas. A Handy phrase comes to mind and we use it. Never looking up its original context or carrying one wit about what it originally meant.

Some Christian preachers are well known unfortunately for their own similar use of The Bible. The preacher wants to say something to his congregation. So he looks for a verse or two of scripture on which to hang his preconceived message.

This I think partially explains the Maharishi Mahesh yogi's use of Psalm 4610 already quoted on page 34 when the Maharishi follows. Be still and know that I am God with. Be still and know that you are God.

He is not concerned for the original meaning of the text. These words are a pretext for his own Particular teaching in the case in in this case a teaching diametrically opposed to the meaning of the original.

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That one of the ways in which the cults and I would say false teachers as well twist The scripture is when they use it as a rhetorical device to basically Say well, the Bible says this they avoid context context context and they absolutely are not Faithfully exegeting the text to help you understand what it actually means and what God meant to say through it.

So coming back then to Rick Warren's original article Titled again learn to laugh. You'll note that Rick Warren says his favorite verse one of his favorite verses is Psalm 2 for the one enthroned in heaven laughs.

And so the question is this if I go and I apply the three rules for sound biblical exegesis context context and context. Will psalm 2 verse 4 be a biblical text that teaches the importance of having a sense of humor and that God has a sense of humor.

So we need to be more like God by embracing and having a sense of humor. Let's take a look. So let's pull up an Old Testament text and we're going to go to psalm Psalm 2 verse 4 but let's apply. Context here the context is starts at verse 1.

Why do the nation's rage and the people's plot in vain? The kings of the earth set themselves and the rulers take counsel together against Yahweh and against his anointed Saying let us burst their bonds apart and cast away their cords from us.

He who sits in the heavens laughs the Lord holds them in derision. Then he will speak to them in his wrath and Terrify them in his fury saying as for me. I have set my king on Zion my holy hill. I will tell of the decree Yahweh said to me you are my son today.

I have begotten you ask of me and I will make the nation's your heritage in the ends of the earth your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel now therefore O Kings Be wise be warned.

O rulers of the earth serve Yahweh with fear and Rejoice with trembling kiss the Sun lest he be angry with you and you perish in the way for his wrath is quickly kindled. Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

So you'll note that when we put this in context Psalm 2 has nothing to do with God having a sense of humor. In fact Psalm 2 verse 4 he who sits in the heavens laughs. It's not because God's getting a good belly laugh it's because God is is laughing and holding humanity in derision for rejecting him and rejecting God's anointed.

So this isn't the laughter of a good joke. This is the laughter of scorn of Mocking of God holding them in derision right before he's going to act in his wrath. So you'll note then Rick Warren's article learn to laugh, which was post which was published at the Christian Post.

And you know was supposed to be a nice little devotional thought from Rick Warren. It engages in that third way of Bible twisting that sire talks about of basically using the Bible rhetorically while ignoring what it means and So saying the Bible says and that's what Rick Warren says the the Bible says the one enthroned in the heaven laughs.

Isn't that a great verse. God has a sense of humor. God laughs now this then when I saw this back in 2007, you know I immediately came up with this concept known as the blazing saddles Bible study to Demonstrate the Bible twisting of Rick Warren and others like him.

So You'll just have to humor me at this point. This is a satirical piece designed to make a point. So back in July of 2007 I wrote in honor of Rick Warren's latest column entitled learn to laugh where he claims that psalm 2 verse 4 Teaches us that God has a sense of humor and that we can be more like God if we develop a sense of humor.

We've created the blazing saddles Bible study consider this to be our small contribution to the world of purpose driven Seeker sensitive small group study material. Note that since Rick Warren likes to take liberties with how he interprets and applies the Bible We thought that it would only be appropriate for us to do the same.

Okay, so here's the Bible must study material. Step one have the small group participants read Rick Warren's article Learn to laugh and they can do so by clicking on the link here. Read this excerpt from pastor Rick's article allowed in the Bible study.

One of my favorite verses in the Bible is Psalm 2 verse 4 the one enthroned in heaven laughs. Isn't that a great verse. God has a sense of humor. God laughs. Do you want to be more like God learn to laugh a sense of humor can preserve your sanity?

And so then ask each member of the group what Psalm 2 verse 4 Means to them, but there's a note a warning if you would read this passage for them. Do not allow them to read the passage for themselves in their own Bibles.

Otherwise, they may get confused by the negative language in the surrounding verses. Only focus on the words the one enthroned in heaven laughs. So be sure then to reinforce and affirm any Participant who feels like this verse is telling them to loosen up and to not take life.

So seriously step two. Have small group participants watch the campfire bean scene. From the movie Blazing Saddles happens to handily be there. In the video, I won't be playing this here. So then discuss the questions below.

Number one. The Bible says to make a joyful noise unto the God of Jacob Psalm 81 1 and the King James says that did you feel joy while laughing at the campfire bean scene? Do you feel that Psalm 81 verse 1 could be ref referring to the noises that you heard in the video clip?

Why or why not? I do think a little bit of context might be helpful here. Let's see what I got. Let me just back that up just a little bit. Here we go. There we go. So that's the context you get the idea of what we're talking about here.

So I so make a joyful noise into the God of Jacob. Do you feel that while laughing at the scene that you feel that do you feel that Psalm? 81 one could be referring to the noises that you heard in the video clip.

Why or why not? Note then to the the small group leader if any participants are uncomfortable laughing at this type of humor. Then remind them that Psalm 2 for teaches that God has a sense of humor and that their resistance to humor may be a sign That they are resisting the work of the Holy Spirit in their lives.

And then question number two since God made sex doesn't it also logically follow that he made flatulence? Of course it does. So can you think of any other ways that you can make a joyful noise? to the Lord with your body and then have each member of the group demonstrate a joyful noise with their body and make sure that everyone enjoys a good belly laugh with each demonstration of a joyful noise and then Reiterate the fact that God has a sense of humor and that by participating in this Bible study each person has learned to be more like God.

Do you see the problem? Right again, this is an example of scripture twisting what's called the biblical hook. The Bible says this while ignoring the actual intended meaning of what the biblical text says and again I'll put a link to Sires book scripture twisting down below.

It's a standard text and I recommend it for everybody who is serious about learning how to protect themselves from false teachers. Okay. Now that being said let's come back here then and what we're going to do now is we're going to take a look at Vlad Savchuk and Just an example of his well preaching if you would the name of this particular sermon is titled it ends with me breaking bloodline curses and This is just a miserable sermon absolutely horrifyingly bad and it shows that he does not know how to rightly handle God's Word and That he has been trained and I mean trained thoroughly in Bible twisting techniques, this shouldn't be a surprise to anybody.

So here if this is a this the screen cap from Mike Winger's video from you know Just a while back titled victims of Benny Hinn 30 years of spiritual deception and this is a video of Benny Hinn's repentance where he repented of the prosperity gospel back a few years ago and right there in the audience is David Diga Hernandez and Over there at the far right is Vlad Savchuk.

Yeah, Vlad Savchuk and David Diga Hernandez are disciples of Benny Hinn. But there's more okay. If you remember back in the video that we published two three months ago now Titled TB Joshua and his influence on the demon slayers.

I noted that Vlad Savchuk had a video out there talking about how he has learned so much from TB Joshua Mm-hmm, the the the cult leader who the BBC ended up doing an entire documentary about Let's listen again as Vlad Savchuk speaks.

So favorably of TB Joshua. I want to share with you ten lessons that I've learned in Honorary in honor of the ministry the life and the sacrifice of Prophet TB Joshua. Now first of profit TV Joshua.

So Vlad Savchuk disciple of TB Joshua disciple of Benny Hinn.

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Have zero confidence that he's rightly able to meet the qualifications to be a bit a pastor according to Scripture. Let me explain. In the Scripture came two texts come to mind when it comes to Those who are who are qualified to be pastors and teachers in Christ's Church.

It's not my church. It's Jesus's Church. So here's what Paul writes to young pastor Timothy. And this is part of what's called the pastoral epistles. 2nd Timothy 2 15 states this. Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved a worker who need not be ashamed rightly handling the word of truth.

That's right. Somebody needs to be able to rightly handle the word of truth, but even furthermore he has to present himself. Okay, so present himself to God as one approved. And so the idea is is that in order for somebody to be qualified to be a pastor in Christ's Church?

They have to demonstrate that they have the ability to rightly handle God's Word and then it says this avoid irreverent babble for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness and Their talk will spread like gangrene.

Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus who have swerved from the truth saying that the resurrection has already happened. They are upsetting the faith of some but God's firm Foundation stands bearing this seal.

The Lord knows those who are his and let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.

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Rule number one if you would if you want to be a pastor You have to demonstrate that you are capable of rightly Handling the word of truth and that means that there is a right way to handle it in Titus.

Paul says this to Titus. He says this is why I left you in Crete So that you may put what remained in order and appoint elders in every town as I directed you. If anyone is above reproach the husband of one wife his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination for an overseer as God-steward must be above reproach.

He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable a lover of good self-controlled upright wholly and disciplined. He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught.

Note the words as.

Taught.

He must hold firm to the to the trustworthy word as Taught which means there is a Standard when it comes to rightly handling God's Word and how the Apostles taught it and how the ancient church understood it.

Stands and it has to continue to this day So that he the pastor may be able to give instruction and sound doctrine also to rebuke those who contradict it for there are Many who are insubordinate empty talkers deceivers.

Especially those of the circumcision party and they must be silenced Since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for shameful gain what they ought not to teach. So one of the Cretans a prophet of their own said Cretans are always liars evil beasts and lazy gluttons.

Well, this testimony is true therefore rebuke them sharply that they may be sound in the faith and not devoting themselves to Jewish myths and the commands of people who turn away from the truth and I would note that Benny Hinn long ago turned away from the truth and TB Joshua the same.

Okay, the fact that Vlad Savchuk considers Benny Hinn and TB Joshua to be his spiritual fathers. Men who are not capable of rightly handling God's Word shows that He's not qualified unless he repents and actually gets properly trained in how to handle God's Word.

He's he's not qualified to be a pastor in God's Church. But let's see the impact that Benny Hinn and TB Joshua have had on Vlad Savchuk's preaching. Again, the name of this message is it ends with me breaking bloodline curses?

We're going to listen to a few examples of his of the sermon as along with Notable ways in which he is twisting up the scriptures and shows that he's not capable of rightly handling a biblical text.

Here we go being on serious generational curses trend that was going on. I'm gonna back with you today about Breaking bloodline curses. Recently, there was a very famous Breaking on serious generational curses trend that was going on on tik-tok, you know.

And they made light of things that are passed on in your family that you don't want your children to pick up on. The problem though is taking I would note.

When you read the writings of the ancient church fathers, none of them talk about bloodline curses and What you need to do in order to break them. This is a novel thing. That is a recent development in theology within the charismatic in NAR.

But this is not a biblical teaching and you'll see the word generational curses is everything about generational curses is very serious. There is no such a thing as an unserious generational curse. Oh, it's very serious.

Okay. Hmm. Okay. Now I understand that this is watched people online. There's those of you who are here and some of you come from backgrounds where the idea of demons idea of curses and Christians in One sentence do not go together.

That's right. And we've already debunked the idea that Christians can be possessed by demons and he's one of the notable demons layers and That's a false practice in a false teaching altogether.

And so I do want to address that today in this message and help to break certain strongholds as well as tonight. I believe the Lord is gonna bring freedom to people. So he's gonna break strongholds tonight and he's going to bring healing to people in Jesus name.

Amen.

All right, so that's the opening to it and Let's just jump forward just a little bit and watch how he kind of sets this message up.

People of God are perish for lack of knowledge.

People of God perish for lack of knowledge. The Bible says that but that means that they're biblically illiterate and It doesn't mean that they are devoid of Innovative teachings that recently came along like yesterday or you know five minutes ago in the in the history of Christian doctrine.

Yes, we can be born again. And therefore legally these curses do not have a right to be in our life. But something being legal and something being real are not always the same.

Where in the Bible does it talk about? Generational curses. Having legal rights over us and things like that. I don't know any biblical text that talks this way. Not one.

The Bible says God gave the promised land to Israel in Abraham. But they didn't enter the promised land until hundreds of years later.

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Promises things he gives them to us, but until you possess them Occupy them appropriate them. All of our healing happen on the cross yet when we get saved the healing doesn't instantly manifest.

Now know what he did there. He's referencing Old Testament stories as if the point of those stories is that you know The reality of how they can be applied then to generational curses. And so he's presupposing that the Bible teaches his particular view of generational curses.

Which clearly he got from Benny Hinn and TB Joshua. And what he's doing now then is saying well look at that God promised Abraham the promised land, but they didn't possess it until after Moses. It's the same then with generational curses.

Well, where does the Bible make that connection? Where does the Bible talk about generational curses. And use the biblical stories from the Old Testament of being promised the promised land and then taking possession of the promised land as Relating to then the legal authority for generational curses to be in your life and your need to break them.

There are no biblical texts that say this and so note he's is a cheating reading something into these texts that isn't there and misusing the Bible to make it appear like it teaches his Particular weird doctrine as it relates to generational curses.

Now I would advise you at this point hang on to the end of the video because when we get to when he starts breaking these generational curses. You'll see for yourself that this is complete wingnut wacker doodlism and not sound biblical doctrine at all.

But I'm trying to demonstrate how he's twisting the scripture here so that you can see for yourselves that this is not a sound teacher.

Israel didn't possess the land. They were promised. They only possessed the land they fought for.

Again, where in the Bible does it make the connection between generational curses and The children of Israel fighting for particular portions of their property and land in the promised land.

In fact, some scholars will even say they never possessed the promise that they were given. They only possessed as much as they were willing to fight for God has given you the legal verdict of heaven that the curses have been nailed on the cross.

But that doesn't always automatically translate in every area of our life. What it does give us is now faith to fight.

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Which biblical text says that by the way, he's misquoting Colossians chapter 2. Let's take a look at it. Colossians chapter 2. And we're gonna start in verse 8 so that we can apply our context because remember.

Context context context and we need to determine what it is that this text that God Intended up for us to understand not what what Vlad Savchuk is. Manipulating the text to make it appear like it's teaching but actually what it says.

So see to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit according to human tradition. According to the elemental spirits of the world and not according to Christ. For in him in Christ the whole fullness of the deity bells dwells bodily and you have been filled in him.

Who is the head and of all rule and authority in him? Also, you were circumcised with the circumcision made without hands by putting off the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ having been buried with him in baptism in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God who raised Him from the dead and you who were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your flesh.

God has made you alive together with him with Christ. Having forgiven us all of our trespasses by canceling the record of debt that stood against us. With its legal demands this he set aside nailing to the cross.

Nailing so he disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame by triumphing over them in him. So note here this text doesn't say anything about generational curses, but what did Christ.

What did God do? The record of debt that stood against us. You think of it this way.

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The in the new in the New Testament and when it talks about the day of judgment and the books being open. This is the books recording all of your deeds so in the in your books is that whole section titled the record of debt all record and documentation of all of your transgressions and iniquities every Commandment that you've ever broken and thought were deed by what you've done and by what you've left undone.

That entire record of death that stood against you with its legal demands. God has set that aside and nailed it to the cross. That's what that's talking about. And so hmm. That's not he's not Properly handling that text, but there's another passage in of the law.

Hang on a second here. I'm just gonna do a quick search in the epistles. Let's see here for all who okay here we go. Galatians 3 10 says this all who rely on works of the law are under a curse for it is written cursed is Everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law and continue to do them.

Verse 13 then says this Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law. By becoming a curse for us for it is written cursed as everyone who is hanged on a tree and so you'll note the Bible talks about Christians no longer being under the curse of the law and Since the the Old Testament since the new the the Old Testament and the Ten Commandments make it clear that God is going to punish those who do not believe in him and Who do not hold his name sacred and their children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate him.

In fact, let's take a look at that that passage in Exodus chapter 20. Exodus chapter 20. Let's see here 20 verse 5. That's what I'm looking for. Exodus chapter 20. Sometimes the the the brain doesn't remember things as well.

Listen to what God says here. You shall not bow down or serve them talking about idols for I the Lord your God I am a jealous God. Visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.

But showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments. So that being the case here, you'll note that there is a there is a curse upon those who disobey God's commands. Oh and that includes cursing their children.

You know and you know and as a result of that, but there's also blessings to those who love God. But again coming back to what we were reading in Galatians chapter 3 13 Christ redeemed us as talking to Christians from the curse of the law.

Which would include generational curses by becoming a curse for us for it is written cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree. So the way he's preaching this concept of generational curses is Not in line with what the New Testament says and here's the other thing there is no example in the New Testament not even a hint of one of Christians post baptism of those who've been brought to faith in Jesus Christ and baptized.

Who then needed to have generational curses broken off of them instead? We have Galatians 3 that says that Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law. So he has no text that talk about the need for Christians to have generational curses broken.

He's mishandling text he mishandled Colossians 2 clearly with Galatians 3 in mind and Here he is basically coming up with an analogy from other passages of scripture. Which have nothing to do at all? With the concept of Generational curses as if somehow these verses that he's quoting have to do with the doctrine of generational curses.

And that's what God meant when in fact, they don't let me back this up and you'll see what I mean here.

God has given you the legal verdict of heaven that the curses have been nailed on the cross. But that doesn't always automatically translate in every area of our life. What it does give us is now faith to fight.

Says no biblical text ever. You've twisted Galatians 3 and Colossians 2. In referencing them without even reading them in context makes you wonder if the reason why he didn't read any of those passages in context is because by doing so it would have undermined his particular doctrine of.

Generational curses. We continue. It's when Goliath fell that the rest of the Israelites went to war not back home.

Story of David and Goliath has nothing to do with generational curses.

The defeat of Satan on the cross does not remove battle. It initiates it that defeat of Satan on the cross ends the bondage and starts the battle.

Again which biblical text are you reading this from? Which New Testament passage teaches us to do this?

There aren't any many Christians. Things when I get saved the battles will be over my friend. No, you for the first time will fight. I don't know any Christians who believe that once they get saved.

That the battles in their lives end. I don't know a single one.

That's a straw man, because all other times you were being enslaved you were not being fought against you were in bondage. Battle is the privilege of the free people.

Alright, just shout it and then that'll make it true. So note that he's Working his congregation up into a frenzy at this point. But not actually rightly handling any biblical text that's more than problematic.

Bondage is the price of slavery. That's why I want you to say this with me it ends with me.