January 5, 2021 Show with Jay Seegert on “Why Many Youths Abandon the Christian Faith (& How Should the Church Respond?)”

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The Starting Point Project and Why Youths Lose Their Faith

And I'm thrilled to have back as a returning guest Jay Siegert, who always proves to be a very fascinating guest. He holds degrees in both physics and engineering technology from the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater and John Brown University, respectively.

He is an international speaker and author, keynote speaker and managing director for the Starting Point Project, ambassador and board of directors member for Logos Research Associates, and is a representative speaker for Ratio Christi.

And today we are addressing why many youths abandon the Christian faith and how should the church respond. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Jay Siegert.

Thanks Chris, it's always great to be a part of this one in particular because it should be practical to every listener.

And I'm going to give our email address right away for listeners that might have questions, especially perhaps the parents of youths that have abandoned the faith or perhaps there is a teenager or older person who might still be considered a youth who has abandoned the faith or is considering abandoning the faith and they'd like to send in a question of their own as well.

Our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com. C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. As always, give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. And I can readily understand if a parent has a child who has abandoned the faith or if you are that very person who has abandoned the faith or is considering it, we would understand that you would want to remain anonymous.

But other than that, if it's a general question, please give us your first name at least, city and state of residence, and country of residence. Well, Jay, why don't you tell us again about the Starting Point Project?

Sure. The Starting Point Project is a project with the belief that God, and you can ask them what they've chosen for theirs, and they usually tell people what most people don't realize they even have a starting point.

But if they think it through, though, that that particular starting point, those beginning assumptions accurately be able to define everything else around you. It really leads into some great people to realize that it's not just the facts, it's evaluating the lenses that we're using to interpret those facts, because again, facts can be determined by what we all come along with.

The creation account seems like a far-fetched story, but when you really look at science, it backs up what Genesis has been telling us around the country and around the world, given to their own children and grandchildren.

Well, if anybody wants more information on the Starting Point Project, you can go to thestartingpointproject .com, thestartingpointproject .com, and hopefully you will remember to repeat that later on in the program.

Well, this is pretty startling information, Jay, that there's an alarmingly high percentage of youth who are walking away from their faith today, and the exact figure may not be important, but varying studies show different percentages and use different criteria, but it's probably in the ballpark of two-thirds or higher.

Obviously, no percentage is acceptable at all, but what are your thoughts on this?

Well, most Christians think, well, no, that can't be true. That over and over, there's certainly over 50 in their faith, and they kind of wander off that way for a while, but it's such a huge percentage, and one of the factors that happens is, off the top of my head, very often when you get together with other Christians, they're doing fine when in reality, so couples are struggling, having some issues, or they did, they really went through some shared that, so you, as an individual couple, get the impression everyone else is fine, so we don't want them to know that we're the only ones struggling.

From month to year after year in church, wanting to portray that appearance that you're doing just fine, when in reality, most are probably struggling with something, and we'd be better off being more transparent so that we can discuss it with others, encourage each other, pray for each other, and realize that this is kind of normal.

So I think a parallel happens that many youth end up walking away, but it's not something that you want to say, yeah, our kids walked away from their faith, you're not proud of it, maybe you're a little bit embarrassed, typically that's when they're going to walk away, is during the college years, well, they're not at home so much anymore, they're not in the church, because they may be going to teach across the country, so when they walk away, the church doesn't notice, because they're in their place, someone in the junior high, junior high moved up into high school, so you always have a show today, it's not that college is so bad, we'll find out that college is really more the time when the problems are exposed, it's not like everything is fine, they go to college, and college is evil, and it messes them up, college is just the time when any troubles that were going on, finally get exposed, and the parents are shocked, and when it's happening, it goes...

And being someone who is theologically reformed, I believe that those who truly and forever abandon the faith, or if they even abandon the faith for a considerable period of time, that would prove that they were never regenerate to begin with, but having said that, have you heard some of the reasons that youths have given for walking away from the faith that they were raised in?

Sure, you figure out what the true reasons are, because typically you're not going to have a youth say, yeah, I was raised pretty good, and I really didn't have a problem with my girlfriend, and sleeping with her or whatever, so I just couldn't do that, and hold on to the Christian faith, so I just decided to give up the Christian faith, so I could live how I want.

Many people have that dilemma in junior high, high school, because they know that they can't afford to expose those things, so they live with that tension, but eventually, you know, you can't do that forever, one's got to give away the other, and then when you go out to college, many just decide then they will use the rationale of what they're hearing from their professors.

Christianity is proving the Bible, disproving the Son of God, there's a lot of issues with the Bible, there's missing portions of the Bible, it does trouble them, but for many other youths, go home, things affect, and evolution, and on and on.

I'm okay in going this direction now, talking about, and I verified that, because when I shared all the things that I've learned now, they had no response, and so I'm just going to walk, truly saved, by the Holy Spirit, I believe they had to begin with in faith, some do, in the way of like what happened, we're going to be talking about two elements, we'll be talking about apologetics, and it is a smaller factor than I was led to believe years ago, I think the bigger fact years and years, before they walk away, and we'll get into all that.

Classical Christian Education as Preemptive Apologetics

Reasons why I have become very much affirming of the classical Christian education model, is that it provides, while the children are very young, it provides a preemptive strike, if you will, as Deputy Barney Fife used to say, as he used to say in the Andy Griffith show, going to nip this in the bud.

Yeah, that's right.

And basically, the model of the classical Christian education is to present the arguments of the enemy in a classroom setting, along with the truth, to get children accustomed to hearing these arguments that the enemy uses to dismantle the faith, so that this is no surprise to them when they leave the shelter of their homes and of their churches, and when they are surrounded by unbelievers who are ready to either, in a polished fashion, because of who they've been reading, or perhaps from an articulate professor, hearing their faith dismantled in a convincing way to the less biblically literate person, or even in just an outright fraudulent or sloppy way, but whichever way the lies are hurled at the young Christian, the classical education, at least, has already prepared them to hear, and sometimes, depending upon what school it is and what teachers are providing these classes, but they'll give the best of arguments so that these children will be, when I say the best of arguments, I mean from the enemy, so that these children will be prepared to respond to them.

Does that make sense to you?

Well, it's part of the best that's going to come up, and they're very quick to say, you don't buy this, look at all the money you're going to spend on A, B, and this, and oh yeah, you're going to spend $200 now, but you're going to save $800 over this year, and no matter what's brought up, it's ascending towards Christians, so long way, but I think we told them about this idea that apparently the problems with the idea of evolution, so when they went, and they were in public schools, respectful at all, but when the professor said something, they were able to raise their hand or say something and say, but what about this, this, and that?

Nothing was a shock to them, so I think we do need to do a better job with them, but also some of the science and logical fallacies.

Parenting, Transparency, and a Christian Home That Models Grace

Now, what would you say would be some wise counsel for parents to change, improve what is going on in their homes to help prevent some of this apostasy that is going on? And now, obviously, we don't want to give the wrong impression on the other end of the spectrum that every home where children have abandoned the faith means the parents are at fault, that the home wasn't being conducted as a Christian home should be conducted, and that necessarily does not mean that the church where these children were raised is at fault either.

You might have the best scenario that is humanly possible in a fallen world where these children have been raised and nurtured and taught and loved and still walk away, obviously, because the reprobate, unless they have some vested interest in masquerading as a Christian for their entire life, they're going to usually be repulsed and repelled by the truths of Scripture and eventually leave or manifest that they are not truly one of God's children.

But even having said that, what counsel would you provide that perhaps parents are overlooking some things that should be going on in their own households?

Sure, I totally agree with you that a blight on the mom or dad, you know, the dad is a pastor, I bring his church as well, and I have children, but they go and they can come and get projects to work on, so there's a nice church on month after month if that's really all they're getting is a 30, and that day for church, dad's walking down the hall and he sees a little, you gotta get out of bed, we gotta leave at eight, we're gonna be late, and again, men frown at him, and he's thinking, if they only knew that I was smoking pot once in a while, oh my word, they'd go through their roof.

From the public, and little Billy's thinking pretty nice, in fact, it's my big trouble, then he eventually goes off to college, not true anyway, to get out from under all that tension and all that guilt, those are the types of things that can very easily lead to them walking away, so what parents can and should be doing is making sure that their own lives are in order, that they're really living out the Christian life throughout, reading their Bibles, and kind of a form of about the week, it's really about how much they really rely on God and scripture itself, and it's just not a magic formula, but that is, I think, missing in way, way too many Christian households.

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Hypocrisy, Grace, and Discipline in the Christian Home

Welcome back. This is Chris Sorensen and our guest today is Jay Siegert the founder of the Starting Point Project. Today we are addressing a very important theme why many youths abandon the Christian faith and how should the church respond.

If you have a question.

Our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com. Chrisarnsen at gmail .com. Please give us your first name at least your city and state of residence and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

You may remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. And we do have an anonymous listener who says is a part of the reason in your opinion that many youths grow up to view Christianity as being nothing but a compilation and congregation of a bunch of hypocrites is because they see in the private lives of their homes that the love of Christ is not genuinely there and a outstretched arm to be ready to forgive even serious sins.

For instance I know that there are many parents who would be so appalled and so embarrassed in front of their own congregations and pastors and even the outside world if their daughter were to be pregnant out of wedlock or something like that that they might be even much more harsh and unchristlike than someone who does not really have the true scriptures to guide them.

This is just something that I have come to witness in my own personal life and I was wondering what your thoughts might be.

You talk about hypocrite of that and their children when their children mess up might be toward or did about my own thinking of Christ and I'm not as bad as them because I don't do anything God's mind towards someone that's often in the church.

You did a change or are you going to double down and try to justify what you did. And in a proper Christian household there should be lots of grace because God has been extremely gracious with us so why wouldn't we forward that on especially to our own children so that they can become even stronger in their faith and then be better positioned to help someone else in the future who falls in the same way.

They can say I made the same mistake but this is how I got through it. I had encouraging parents who loved me through it. They didn't just but they still loved me because nothing good. God was smiling and proud of me so he will step in and discipline and we as parents should be mimicking what God does for us.

And so parents should have an appropriate amount of discipline but not shame and embarrassment and judgment like their children aren't nearly as good as they are as parents and maybe being afraid eventually happening.

So why not walk away and avoid the whole thing to begin with.

I just saw a movie on television called Apostasy about a Jehovah's Witness single mother of teenage daughters and this was in the UK and one of the daughters went off to college and she got pregnant. And I'm assuming that this is an accurate portrayal of Jehovah's Witnesses.

In fact even in the credits at the end they were talking about how they documented even sermons that were lectures whatever they would call them in a Jehovah's Witness kingdom hall that they actually took them from real sermons and so on.

But they take first Corinthians chapter 5 verse 11 and even apply that to the children in a family we read in that chapter and verse. But actually I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is a sexually immoral person or a greedy person or an idolater or is verbally abusive or habitually drunk or a swindler not even to eat with such a person.

So in this depiction of this family in this movie apostasy when the Jehovah's Witness mother did visit on occasion her daughter who was living on her own at this point just to take care of the bare necessities and to repeatedly plea that the girl returns to the faith she had to keep the cordiality and the contact to a minimum.

And when she prepared a meal for her pregnant daughter she actually went into the kitchen the mother went into the kitchen and ate by herself so as to not eat with such a person. Now is that instruction even for those within the household of a Christian family.

And it becomes a sensitive issue that I'm sure that all pastors even those that are very biblically literate and may even agree on many things theologically and doctrinally they may disagree on how to treat rebellious children within a home.

And of course even the circumstances may make each case different than another one. For instance if a child agrees to not have sexual relations outside of marriage of course under the roof that they should perhaps be permitted to remain there.

But all kinds of things may come up. What if the situation involves a homosexual homosexual activity. And you know on and on we could go. How much does this. In your opinion this text apply to the actual household when you're talking about parents and children.

You know when I think about it just stepping back for situations like this arise that we're talking about right now. When they don't how are you going to deal with it for thinking well no we knew that if something like this where do we need to eat dinner in havoc.

And they're really not acting biblically. And again it's not an exact on someone who need to pray and say okay. How much separation do we. We will not stop loving you but because you are not repentant telling you right and wrong but we know you want to improve we will get you help that you want to mature in your faith.

That's a total action. Is kicking them out right away obviously is going to absolutely no influence.

On them anymore.

But in each case you know the holy spirit will let you know what action you need to take. But even if you great school.

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I won't.

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