December 18, 2018 Show with Jack Wilkie on “Failure: What Christian Parents Need to Know About American Education”

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This is Chris Arnson, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Tuesday On this 18th day

of December 2018, one week before Christmas Day, and

I am excited to have for the very first time ever on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio today, Jack Wilkie.

He is one of the editors of Think Magazine.

He's a preacher for the Forney Church of Christ in North Texas and the editor and manager of social

media and online content for focuspress .org.

We are going to be addressing the theme of his book, Failure, What Christian Parents Need to Know

About American Education.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Jack Wilkie.

Chris, thanks for having me.

Hey, it's my pleasure.

This is, I think, a very important book for education in the 21st century as

things are rapidly and have been crumbling for years in the education

system, but they are getting to the point of actual mind

-boggling insanity when it comes to especially the public or the

government school system.

But how did you get so wrapped up in the field of education and have such a

burden for it upon your heart?

Well, at focuspress, one of the things growing up, and

you start reading all those statistics,

how much of it had

to do with

just getting faster.

So many young people leave the church.

In fact, I'm going to give our email address right away for our listeners, if you care to join us on the air with a question of your

own for Jack Wilkie about American education.

Well, it doesn't have to be specifically about American education, even though that is primarily the target of his book.

We do have listeners all over the world.

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Why don't we start where your book starts, the casualties of the worldview wars.

Tell us about.

Who they are.

Well, yeah, it's just that generation, you know, I

don't have people my age anymore.

Of course, the bigger churches draw more people in, and so there's

going to be a generation gap where there's

just people.

There are these worlds.

Why have they left?

The studies

have gone high of 88%.

If I had to

guess, I'd say,

you start to

ask, open

my eyes.

You believe in that

their

knowledge age range 18

to 23, one out of every 200.

They have not been taught the

foundations of the Christian.

Why they've left the church.

Why would you keep going to the church if you didn't really believe in heaven?

And then yeah,

you would wander too.

Wow.

Now, when you're.

Referring to the worldview wars, what are the primary

worldviews in conflict with each other?

It's kind of interesting because anti -Christian movements throughout the

centuries have not all remained exactly the same.

And even within my lifetime, that which is known as liberalism or today,

more appropriately, leftism, even leftist totalitarianism,

is not the same exactly as when I was a younger man.

It's kind of interesting, for instance, that those on the left used to

consider themselves, and in some ways they were right, they used to consider themselves

champions of freedom of speech, freedom of thought.

The liberal wanted inclusion with everyone else at the

table of discussion on ideology, on politics.

They wanted to be considered equals in the public square.

And now in the 21st century, we have something very different from that.

We have people who are opposed to freedom of speech, even though they might never utter those

words exactly like that.

It is obvious they are.

They have become the thought police.

It used to be considered that the fundamentalist Christians were the

thought police.

Now the leftists are the thought police.

And they are even devouring themselves at the moment because there are

different brands of liberalism.

You have those who have been caught up in sexual freedom, have been

branded as misogynists and as using women as sex objects.

So you have even people in their own ranks, losing their jobs, losing their livelihoods, some of them

even getting arrested, and some of them paying very large sums of money in lawsuits.

But tell us about what you're talking about today, primarily, as far as the worldview conflict, those

worldviews in conflict with each.

Other.

Right.

So we kind of

came out of the

scientific leaps

forward.

And so it

said, science is all we need.

And you see people denying God on

those and all these things.

The problem

with that

is how they determine their

very, looking at what moves society forward and what achieves things that we find

desirable.

And so you see a lot of secular humanism.

You see so much of the militant atheists that

come up and say, we're just wanting a place at

the table.

You see it on bumpers.

People's Facebook

ideology

is even becoming more outdated.

In the view, there's

still

a lot of people

who

work.

You will find

some

who say, yeah,

I can't say

Hitler did

anything wrong.

But most of them would say, well, no, we know that racism is, but they don't really

care.

You

end

up with

what they consider

them just

making

me the

bomb.

I don't believe in it or.

Yeah.

You mentioned the Nazis before.

I organized a number of years ago, a live public moderated debate

between my friend, Dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries, who is a Christian apologist.

And he debated David Silverman, the president of American Atheists, which is the

organization that Madeline Murray O 'Hare founded in the 60s.

And David Silverman basically said that

morality and truth are based on

what a majority of people in any given region any given era of history

believe to be so.

So James White basically said, well, I'm assuming then that the

Nazis, since it seems that the majority of the German peoples were following this

ideology and following their leader, Hitler, favorably, at least for a period,

that that ideology of anti -Semitism and brutality

and murder and so on against those outside of the quote, quote, white Aryan race was

a moral conduct and a moral ideology.

And Mr. Silverman had to actually acquiesce and admit that that was true.

And James White said, do you mean to tell me that if you were being marched

through the gates of a death camp in Auschwitz or Dachau, the worst

thing that you could say or the most that you could say in protest

against what was happening to you is, I find this personally offensive.

That's the best you could come up with during that situation.

And he agreed, he admitted that was true.

And keep in mind, David, keep in mind, David Silverman is ethnically Jewish in addition to

being an atheist.

So it is absolutely mind boggling what lengths people

in the left will go to to affirm their beliefs and try to make sense out of them.

In fact, you mentioned science before.

That's another thing that's changed because obviously liberals, although they were

incorrect, they for centuries

have been saying that science is what is the the arbiter of

truth is and that science

very often trumps the Bible, they would say.

And of course, when it comes to Darwinian evolution, and so on, that they were and are completely wrong.

There is no scientific evidence proving Darwinian evolution.

But today, it's just the leftists are

doing exactly what they accuse Christians of and religious people in general.

They are believing in fairy tales, and declaring them as truth.

And even disregarding basic science, saying that a

biological male child or adult should be

should be declared a female if that child or adult

believes in his mind, that he is female and vice versa, obviously, with a

with a girl or woman thinking that she is male.

I mean, it's reached a point of absolute lunacy.

Right?

Well, people dug up

and find videos of him

saying, well, these chromosomes, the term

ideology, and now science

definitively tells

them, that's

not how it is.

It really is a

matter of,

hey, you

know, somebody's a

little

different

from you.

That doesn't

mean

five years old, worked

in the

government.

And of course,

the

modern

leftist

idea

of tolerance

is a lie,.

Because they only tolerate people who agree with their

worldview.

You cannot, in their mind, be a conservative

Bible believing Christian.

And I would even dare to say, orthodox Jew who actually

believes in the Torah, and the Hebrew scriptures,

that we are to be silenced, we are to be kept from school boards, we are to be driven out of

political office.

We are not to be tolerated.

It is very clear from many on the left, that they want us eradicated from the face of the earth.

I'm not saying that they are all as disturbed as Hitler or Stalin, and actually want us

physically to be executed, but they definitely want us to be silenced.

And in fact, silence isn't enough for them.

The homosexual left is not satisfied with our silence or our

tolerance.

They want us to celebrate them.

They want us to publicly declare the wonders and joy of their

sexual choices, and the way that they identify themselves sexually, and so on.

And that is why, typically on a mainstream television

network, during a news broadcast, you will never see an anchorman or an anchorwoman

or reporter, straight -faced, giving an unbiased,

neutral report on a famous celebrity marrying somebody of

their own gender.

They will be beaming with smiles.

They will offer congratulations to them.

They will wish the happy couple a long and happy marriage.

You don't see the Walter Cronkites anymore giving just straight -faced news reports

without injecting their own personal opinions.

Into the

story.

That's one of

the most

bizarre

aspects of

the

left.

Of

course,.

They're not a monolith in regard to Islam.

There are liberals like Bill Maher and others who are outspoken

against the atrocities of Islam, and they will try to remind their

liberal and leftist friends that they are describing an imaginary

Islam.

If you're talking about the Islamic religion that is absolutely faithful to the Quran

and the Hadith, you do have some liberals, but it seems in the media anyway

that they are a minority that are opposing Islam.

Most seem in the media, and there is a big difference between the media and what goes on

behind cameras instead of in front of them.

But it makes no sense that leftists who would abhor Christians

for being opposed to homosexual activity would give a pass to Muslims on it.

I have to believe that much of this praise

given to Islam is disingenuous.

It's not real.

It's just a mask of the liberal concept that we have to stand

for the rights of people of color, and because the majority of

Muslims are non -white people, even though there are many who are white

or Caucasian, but it seems that that's the only logical reason that they can cling to

praising Islam, even though they are, as you were saying,

much more severe in not only their criticism but their physical action

towards those that violate Quranic law and the laws of the Hadith

in countries that are under Sharia law.

And it's not just homosexuality, it's women who are victims of rape, which is utterly

amazing.

You will have women who are the actual victims of rape.

If they can't get enough eyewitnesses to stand behind her testimony, she is very often

stoned to death for being an adulteress or a fornicator.

So, I mean, it's utterly mind -boggling.

But when we get back, I want you to get into the history of American education so our

listeners can actually hear the gradual de -evolution

of what has happened in the American education system from when it began

to the current day.

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We are now back with our guest, Jack Wilkie, author of Failure, What Christian Parents

Need to Know About American Education.

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Before we go to any of the listener questions that are beginning to mount up, if you could,

Jack, give us a bit of a history lesson on education in America.

All right, I was over

in need to

learn the scriptures,

come and teach the children,

teach people to read the Bible.

Unfortunately,

country, there was

going to be an end in

the

beginning.

That

was this idea that

society, we're building this country, we need everybody on the same page.

And he was one of the first, he

said, people will be taught

that he does

not belong to himself, that he is public property.

Let him be taught to love his family, but let him be taught at the same time that he must forsake and even

forget them.

You can kind of

start yourself 50 years later, a

man named Horace Mann,

who's considered education in a state anywhere in

America.

So he

was

very

influential in

that.

And his

idea was,

teach

them

what society

became,

the more education.

Let's

go to one of our questioners.

We have Gordy in Mechanicsburg,.

Pennsylvania, who says, what do you see as the next radical move by the

secularists in the public.

Schools?

One's going to be

transgenderism.

Foot of that wave is he

or she, or they

are forced.

There's already the restroom out of my native

state in Colorado

years ago, and

what

continues.

To be implemented in school.

Yeah, it's amazing when you think about the fact that Barack Obama,

our last president before the election of President Trump,

Barack Obama initially was opposed to same -sex marriage.

And Barack Obama, a hero of the left.

Now, if you were to oppose same -sex marriage, depending upon where you live and

where you work, you could lose your livelihood.

You could have your career tarnished forever.

You could be fined in certain circumstances.

You know, you see people being sued for not baking cakes to

celebrate same -sex weddings.

It's just amazing how fast this snowball of leftist

totalitarianism is growing.

And we are supposed to be running alongside of it, keeping in pace and

believing in every new novel idea that the left develops and embraces and celebrates and demands

that everyone join them in lockstep over these issues, even if these same leftists

only a handful of years ago would never have dreamed of saying things they are saying today, and who knows what they're.

Going to say

tomorrow.

You know, 2008, you had

President Obama.

We don't even talk about that.

Like, that debate is the same view that we did, but that's

not even held.

We're on to what do we call the pronouns for different

genders.

You know, when gay is

going to

lead to other things.

Well, guess what?

You've had major outlets, Blade and others, writing on

people who love that love is love.

People are arguing for that now.

Now, again, it's still on the fence.

It is for teachers having to

find them multiple times.

Every single, you

know, the

acceptance or younger sex, I'm going to

keep an eye on.

Yeah, and of course, when you have.

Leftists demanding that even prepubescent children have the right to

decide their gender, well, how far can it be from prepubescent

children having the right to decide with whom.

They have sex?

Right, right.

I mean, why would a five or six or seven year old need to, why would they even know,

got where they're, they don't even

know what that is.

Right.

You know, and so you're right.

They are sexual all the way down to kindergarten.

Well, thank you, Gordy.

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We have Pastor Bruce Bennett of the Word of Truth Church in

Farmingville, Long Island, New York, who is also a public school teacher.

I usually don't give the full names of our listeners when they write in questions, but I tend to make an

exception when they are ministers.

And Bruce Bennett says, it seems that American public education has

become an indoctrination tool of the leftist mindset.

We can see how blue states would support such a system, but why do red states

tolerate such Marxist ideas in their public school curriculums?

The problem, and this is where he made his mark, was

what's the focus of the

teacher training?

50 teachers, you're some

of

these more red

states.

Yeah, they have that, but even the

universalism that

he mentioned from

the teachers unions based in Washington, the influence

for teachers,

the

unions, those

who, they

dictate

everything.

You

know, you hear

about bullying

so well set up, and

so why conservative Bible -believing

schools, education, and

from

Right, and of course, we cannot confuse conservatism

with those that have a Christian worldview.

There may be an overlap in many areas, but they are not identical

things.

You have people who are politically conservative who are themselves homosexuals.

In fact, Fox News is more frequently having not only

guests, but fill -in hosts during broadcasts that

are openly homosexual, but who happen to share a lot of the conservative views of the

predominant number of people who are hosting programs on Fox, and you know,

you have politically conservative individuals who are pro -abortion,

you or you have politically conservative individuals who are far more concerned over

the fiscal aspects of conservatism than they are over anything involving sexual morality

or the murder of unborn children.

So, you know, you have a wide breadth of ideology under the

banner or umbrella of conservatism, and we have to

go to our midway break right now.

Oh, by the way, uh, Pastor Bruce Bennett, uh, and I'm going to give you,

uh, a plug for your website, as you have provided, WOTChurch .com,

WOTChurch .com, that's Word of Truth Church in Farmingville, Long Island.

Please give us your full mailing address, Bruce, so that we can have CVVBS .com mail you

a free copy of Failure, What Christian Parents Need to Know About American Education, and we

applaud you for hanging in there in the public school system as a Christian voice, as a conservative,

a moral, biblically, uh, faithful voice, uh, in a place where

one could barely dream that somebody could survive as a teacher in that climate.

Gotta hand it to you, and we thank you for all you do, uh, for the education of children in the 21st

century.

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parents need to know about American education.

Uh let's move into religion

and

the schools

all right.

Yeah that's

teaching

islam

to kids

and having a history

of

islam.

For again

the there's muslims

all these religions

you can't bring.

Crit needs to be

considered.

Is schools were strictly zero

religion

of any kind.

Uh the

growth

this idea

that

we can set

through a

day

without.

Yeah

you're going

to study

study.

All of these

studying didn't

mean to understand

yes.

And uh leftist

ideology

and

secular humanism and even.

Atheism and agnosticism they are religions.

They don't call.

People who are adherents of those things do not call that a religion or those things of religion

uh but they are whether they call them that or not.

If once you start uh declaring uh what is

moral what is good and right and what is immoral and what is wrong you

are delving into the realm of a religion.

And it's interesting how one of the battle cries of the left used to be you

uh can't uh push your or you can't legislate morality.

Well first of all that uh has has never been in practice a truth because even the civil

rights movement and other things uh that the left was involved in even those things that we

who are conservative would agree with.

Uh much of what was accomplished during the civil rights movement uh.

But those were done.

Those actions were done uh very often by ministers of churches.

And they were done under the banner of what was moral and good and decent and right.

And so it's just a myth that uh these people are trying to remove

religion from the schools or from the public arena or from politics.

They just don't want.

Biblical religion involved in there.

Right.

Yeah it's just removing christianity.

Because you're exactly right.

The deal almost

like a deistic

view.

And you think about those candidates

today.

Well they it's by implication throughout their lives when they're told yeah there's a god

but he doesn't matter enough to be brought into our everyday lives.

We have.

Uh let's

see ronald in

eastern.

Suffolk county who has a question.

Eastern suffolk county new york.

Uh he asks is your guest suggesting that christians remove

their children from public schools.

Because i cannot understand in this day and age how there can ever be a

reversal of the condition of the public school system.

When the public school system or government schools began in this country

the country was vastly predominantly christian even if most of the citizens of this

country were not genuinely born again.

There was a reverence towards god and the bible.

And most people were at least by name or profession christian.

It was rare to find somebody supporting another religious view today.

That is probably the reverse of the truth where you have people who would

rarely uh call themselves theologically biblical in

their understanding of things who are involved in the education system in america.

Even if they were to say that they were some kind of a christian nominally they certainly wouldn't be in agreement with

us on major important factors that are taught in the bible.

I know that there are exceptions even as chris mentioned earlier with one of the listeners who wrote in a question who is a public school

teacher and also a bible believing minister.

But how on earth can we send our children to a public school knowing

that these horrible things are going on.

And of course the impossibility of even expecting people who disagree with us on the

bible to be leading children in prayer and to be teaching our children about the

bible when they may have belief systems involved in another religion

they might not only be leftists or liberals but they might be members of cults who disagree with us

on major issues.

How could this possibly be rectified.

Well home education option

uh i

know financially for what

everybody i think it's viable for more people

and but we're talking about worth

it if at

all do i i highly recommend home

education because as with

30 years of this idiots uh you know bringing

your

kids at home is

going

to

make them disciples of jesus.

Or school isn't

going to make that.

It was

35 year old atheist teacher.

Right.

In fact the apostle paul said when i was a child i thought as a

child and behaved as a child but when i became a man i put childish things away so obviously

there is a difference between.

The way a child thinks and adult things

right.

Well and it is

one of the other things

i'm not allowed to do that here.

That's not what you're here for.

And it's the same thing with evangelism.

Somebody else

they're you know not

to be

the light of

the world if you

know are influenced

by um

there's there's this

bad influence these influences of the other kids with their you know just

from the textbooks.

The negative influence those kids from

never and keep them sheltered.

For as you said kids think like kids.

Kids are vulnerable kids are easily persuaded

and

easily

survive in this world.

Yeah i i could

never

understand conservatives who say.

We've got to bring prayer and the bible back into the public school.

And now on the one hand i obviously uh certainly

believe that schools funded by taxpayers should give

christian students and students of all religions the freedom to

pray and during their you know times of privacy.

And they should have the freedom to form clubs and other social

activities that involve people of their religion and so on that i believe in.

But to bring the bible and prayer back into the public school.

Well what what.

Who is going to be in charge of what is taught from the bible.

And who is going to be leading the prayer.

That you know what i'm saying.

They talk about the good old days of the principal reading the bible and praying over the the loudspeaker.

Well i would not want my child if i had children.

I would not want my children to be taught anything about the bible or to be led in prayer by

somebody who denies what i believe about christ and his sacrifice and calvary and other major

things uh that i believe as a christian.

Uh am i making sense here.

Uh you know i sat down.

We were talking about we need to write something.

Education has gotten in

a school.

Teaching the decline the danger predatory behavior all these different things we

looked at.

That are i

read tried to

come to an

understand really legalize schooling

making kids go to school.

The reason he did that is because they're starting to be overrun by catholic

immigrants and they didn't want to be a catholic state.

We can teach them not with

the catholic faith.

Not my right or anybody else's right to take somebody's kid you know

even an atheist.

Uh you know we need to somebody.

I disagree with what you want to teach your kids

said he'd consider

me to do that's wrong ideology

being you want to believe christian.

Try and teach them to

care that you oppose me.

I've got your kids.

Really at the heart of all of

this.

Somebody else.

Seriously.

Because by the way

uh on a side note you mentioned brad harib uh i

saw him uh present an excellent.

Uh conference that involved what's going on in the education system and also

uh things involving the creation versus evolution debate uh here in carlisle pennsylvania.

And i highly recommend people to go and hear him whenever he is speaking in their community.

He is uh really brilliant in that field.

And uh he really is yeah a very articulate very good uh media

presentation.

The uh audio visual presentation really top -notch.

But anyway uh by the way thank you ronald in eastern suffolk county new york.

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Welcome back.

This is the last segment of our interview today with jack wilkie author of failure.

What christian parents need to know about american education.

And we do have some listeners waiting to have their questions asked.

We have joey in clifton new jersey.

And joey asks considering the other side of the pendulum of error

what are your thoughts on those who become hyper consumed with christian education.

For example those who seem to always debate the specific methods of education e

.g. trivium should they learn.

They should they learn latin etc and seem to make christian education a point of division with fellow

believers and in the church where is the balance on doing the best for the kids

and not making an idol of education.

Jack that's a good question.

Uh that's something.

Way down there you know some people get so passionate of your kid

needs to learn

that i addressed in the book.

You know i have to say

well you can't bind that.

I'm not trying to bind it.

I'm not saying this is a biblical command to educate your kids.

Uh you know a certain way.

Uh and you're sinning if you don't.

On the other hand i said it is a biblical command to you know teach your children uh train of a child the way he should go.

You know uh to have that deuteronomy six mindset of i'm going to be speaking of god and his law with them day and night

as often as i can.

I mean those are biblical principles.

And then what's the best way to do that.

That's why i advocate for home education.

First christian education.

Second if home education is not viable it's just not something

that won't

save

your kid and

that it

was

children to

jesus.

We uh

oh by

the way

uh give

us your

full.

Mailing address joe in clifton new jersey.

Because you've won a free copy of the book as well.

We have mary and cork ireland who says please ask mr wilkie if christian parents

teach their children the bible and the christian worldview cementing them in a sure foundation

surely those children have a strength and knowledge to stand up to the different worldviews in the classrooms if

they leave the church because of the other worldviews.

Were they ever grounded in the word first day.

I am not an american but i'm interested in your thoughts.

Well of course.

You need to be teaching your children the bible

from

might not be grounded

enough in the

faith.

I knew you know they

would describe in graphic detail the r -rated movies they were allowed you know my parents

but they

couldn't prepare.

This is we talked about

how your five -year -old is ready to have

the nuances of it.

They need to know

what it

will

say unique

to every

kid um in

their

minds to

be a certain

way they're.

Ready to and we have time for one more quick question.

Uh bruce again uh from the word of truth church in formingville who's also a

public school teacher.

Both the high school and the middle school in the district i teach in a few miles outside of new york

city.

Now force the entire school for five minutes each day to do meditation and breathing

which is essentially yoga and is in fact taught by yoga instructors paid for by the

school district.

I tried to get a lawyer to sue the district on the grounds of forcing a particular religious viewpoint

upon the students and staff.

But i couldn't find a lawyer who would take up the case.

What is your view on this.

Well calm

them down or whatever.

Bad idea.

Um but that

can become religious.

I mean

something to keep an eye on and

leading towards her

because that.

Well you have

a minute now to summarize what you most want.

Etched.

On the hearts and minds of our listeners on this topic before we go off the air.

All right i think.

More than anything is the value of the soul

faithful but not

just.

And as people ready to find the

best way to do that stream not

just kids who are well.

Thank you so much jack for.

Being our guest today you did an excellent job.

I look forward to your return to iron trippin's iron radio.

As a guest i want to thank everybody who listened especially those who took the time to write in questions.

Make sure you write down the website where you could get a hold of jack and also purchase his book.

It's focuspress .org focuspress .org.

I hope that uh you all always remember for the rest of your lives that jesus christ is a

far far greater savior than you are a sinner.