December 16, 2019 Show with Jeff Kingswood on “From the Lips of Little Ones: A Study in the Catechism (For Very Little People)”

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I'm thrilled to have back on the program Someone who is a absolutely phenomenal preacher and teacher. His name is Jeff Kingswood. He is also pastor at Grace Presbyterian Church of Woodstock, Ontario, Canada.

I always look forward to hearing him speak at the banner of truth East Coast ministers conferences and Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania. And also when the church where I am a member Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania has the opportunity to have Jeff Speak from our pulpit.

He is pastor of Grace Presbyterian Church of Woodstock, Ontario, Canada. Which is a congregation within the associate reformed Presbyterian churches in Canada. And today we are going to address a book that has been updated in a new version from crown and covenant publications from the lips of little ones a study in the catechism for very little people and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio pastor Jeff Kingswood.

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And Pastor Jeff before we go into our subject at hand from the lips of little ones a study in the catechism for very little people. Please tell our listeners for those of our listeners who have not yet heard you on the show Do not know anything about Grace Presbyterian Church of Woodstock, Ontario, Canada.

Tell our listeners about that congregation. Before he relocated or returned I should say to Scotland Sinclair Ferguson pastor to church in your denomination in the south then that's right. Great. Well, I also had the privilege.

I don't know if I ever told you this but Years ago, I tragically backslid into Alcoholism and that was a sin that I had abandoned for 18 years when I became a Christian and tragically returned to it for a period but I went to a Christian rehabilitation and recovery ministry in Boone, North Carolina and That was he brought colony ministries.

I cannot stop singing the praises of that wonderful ministry. He'd bond colony ministries. Where I returned to a right state of mind and sobriety and while I was there the only local minister who would regularly visit me there was pastor Larry Young who is a pastor in a ARP church in the Boone, North Carolina area.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, he's a guy. I didn't know that. No, you haven't told me that. Yeah. Well, he's a dear brother and he still remains in touch with me. And hope he's listening today as a matter of fact, I would be amiss if I did not mention that.

My guest today is the cousin of sigh ten Bruggen gate Who is a dear friend of mine who I've interviewed on this program and who is? Very well known as one of the leading apologists in the presuppositional apologetics movement and So I just wanted to give sigh a plug.

I look forward to having him back on my program as well. Very dear friend and a very Brilliant brother whom I love to interview and I'd love to see him in action and debates and so on. His website is proof that God exists org proof that God exists org and also our guest today is the father-in-law of Pat Daly the general manager of the United States headquarters of banner of truth and Why don't you tell our listeners?

I'm sure that the vast majority of our listeners are very familiar with banner of truth already. But we do have new time new newcoming listeners first-time listeners and we also have Quite a number of new believers in our audience.

We have people who aren't even Christian in our audience. We have Muslims and Atheists agnostics we have members of the Church of Rome and Eastern Orthodoxy and other Churches outside of evangelical Christianity who listen so why don't you tell our listeners about this?

Wonderful ministry banner of truth. Amen, and.

I always find it a blessing when I discover Men even from outside of the Reformed camp who have discovered and fallen in love with banner of truth. And of course One would expect that it won't be long before they are also included in her camp after reading banner of truth books.

Yeah. Yeah, and it's been the website for our listeners who are unfamiliar with it is banner of truth org banner of truth. Or do you happen to know the theme of the 2020 banner of truth East Coast ministers conference yet?

Okay, well you're looking for it. I want to plug my friend pastor Larry Young's website. Pastor Larry Young who I mentioned just moments ago who used to visit me at Hebron colony ministries in Boone, North Carolina.

He is the pastor of Brookside Presbyterian Church, which is an associate Reformed Presbyterian congregation and the website is Boone Brookside church org and Boone is spelled b o o n e Brookside church org.

Pastor Larry Young if you're listening. Pastor Larry, I love you, and I have never forgotten your kindness toward me. Visiting me regularly while I was at Hebron colony, but have you found that information yet?

Well, I'm very familiar with all of those brethren except John Payne and I'm looking forward to getting to discover John.

And his ministry. And perhaps get him on this program as well. Well this book that you have written. First of all from the lips of little ones a study in the catechism for very little people. What was updated.

From the original that crown and covenant.

Publications has brought back into print to read a commendation for this book written by the aforementioned Ian Hamilton who has.

Been a frequent speaker at banner of truth conferences, including the one that's coming up in 2020 Ian Hamilton says pastor King Kingswood's use of scripture to explain and apply Scripture is a model that will educate parents as well as their children.

I wish I had possessed this excellent resource when my wife and I were raising our four children. I have already recommended it to our children for them to use with their grandchildren with their children.

I'm sorry. And then we also have a name that we haven't mentioned yet, but whom I have Interviewed on this program. I am utterly amazed by Ryan McGraw such a brilliant brother and almost a. It's the closest thing I can can think of is a computer like mind when it comes to instant recall.

When you ask him questions about nearly anything. He's on the faculty at the Greenville Presbyterian Theological Seminary in Taylor's, South Carolina. He's actually the Morton H Smith professor of systematic theology there.

And he's also the son-in-law of a local pastor here Deckard Stevens who is a co-pastor at the Carlisle Reformed Presbyterian Church here in Carlisle, PA a Presbyterian Church in America congregation, but Ryan says Jeff Kingswood leads parents.

They're using the catechism with the Bible in order to know the Lord through the Bible. His plan is brief easy to follow full of scripture and will make life easier both for parents and children. Two very powerful commendations for this book.

Catechizing Children in the Home and the Church

Before we even go into the theme of the book because I have a feeling that you don't cover this specific topic much in your book. But we have a listener. We have BB in Carl and Cumberland County, Pennsylvania.

BB asks I Have seen in the congregation where I am a member. That there are Children who are constantly misbehaving and not paying attention and even those that are quiet are usually coloring in books and so on.

Do you approve of this and also on top of that? Do you have any recommendations and counsel on how to further ensure your children will not only be quiet and stop? Fidgeting and making a scene but also actually listen to what they are hearing from the pulpit.

Well, I just I just heard that as a recommendation for a sister in Christ in the congregation where I am a member Grace Baptist. Er, she was saying that that would be a great idea for the children when they are capable of doing that kind of a thing.

They even have a checklist.

For a number of words not just one. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I might as well take one more question.

That is likely off topic, but I'll get this out of the way. I'm not trying to minimize the importance of the question by saying getting it out of the way. But I want to have the main portion of our interview on the subject at hand, but we do have an anonymous listener Asked something that's somewhat relative to what you were just saying.

Anonymous listener says what are your views of the family integrated worship movement? I have heard very positive things about it, but I've also heard very Disturbing things about it how they have divided churches and sometimes wound up Disciplining people for unscriptural reasons and sometimes these issues become nightmares in congregations.

And then the personal lives of families. Yeah, one of the things that concerns me about the movement, and I don't want to.

Broadbrush the movement. Because there are a number of people in the movement that I don't think are guilty of what I'm about to say. But there is a tendency amongst some in the movement to be very Harshly critical even to the point of slander, I believe.

Towards those who don't agree with them. On every jot and tittle. Towards churches that have nurseries. Towards churches that have a Children's worship service. Even if you disagree with that concept I think that you have to be.

Reined in or restrained. And how you criticize brethren who do have those things. And by the way.

BB in Cumberland County Pennsylvania and the anonymous listener you have both won a free copy of from the lips of little ones a study in the catechism for very little people and If you could both provide us with your full mailing addresses.

Obviously the individual who chose to remain anonymous We will obviously not Expose your identity on the air, but please give us your full name as well as your full address So that Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service CV bbs .com can ship these books out to you At no charge to you or to our interpreters on radio.

We want to thank also Danielle at Crown and Covenant publishers Or publishing I should say for making this book available for a limited number of our listeners today. It's actually Crown and Covenant publications my eyesight is going here running covenant publications we want to thank Danielle again for providing us with these books that we are able to give away and If you want to look up more information about this book and other books that they publish go to crown and covenant calm crown and covenant calm we hope to Remember to repeat that information later.

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So everybody wins both our sponsors at CV bbs .com and the publishers Crown and Covenant calm or whoever the publisher may be and other interviews well the the title that once again of the book that we are addressing today is from the lips of little ones a study in the catechism and again for the sake of our new listeners or Young believers or meaning young in the number of Years or months that they have been a believer or for the non-believers or the people who are outside of Christendom catechism.

Sometimes in the ear of a modern evangelical or a former Roman Catholic whomever that may be they immediately conjure up ideas of Catholicism and Things outside of biblical Christianity and obviously that is far from the case Protestants have historically used catechisms As teaching guides and the catechisms if they are good catechisms if they are biblically faithful catechisms will have scripture As their guide to teaching and educating and catechizing children or even adults when it comes to the main principles and teachings and doctrines of Christianity that we are to learn and embrace.

But if you could explain a study in the catechism the.

The subtitle of your book and I'm not. I'm going to ask a question of a listener and then have you answer it when?

We return from our first break. We have Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania. Who asks. I know that your guest is a Presbyterian pastor and you Chris are a reformed Baptist? I was wondering how much overlap there is in from the lips of little ones in regard to Presbyterian distinctives and Reformed Baptist belief that both hold in common meaning both Presbyterian and Reformed Baptist.

And I will have you answer that when we return if anybody else wants to join us our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com. Chris a RN z e and a gmail .com. And always remember. Give us at least your first name city and state and country of residence if you live outside the USA and only remain anonymous.

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And we are discussing a newly revised edition of a book that he originally wrote about a decade ago from the lips of little ones a study in the Catechism for very little people. Our email address is Chris Arnes and at gmail .com.

Ch r is a r n z e n at gmail .com. Please give us your first name. City and state and country of residence if you live outside the USA. And pastor Kingswood our previous listener basically wanted to know if there's enough content in there that both Presbyterians and Reformed Baptists agree upon that Reformed Baptists can comfortably use this as a catechism or guide when catechizing their children.

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Grady I hope you're still listening because every one of your questions has been answered already. So if you want to send in a different question, please do so. Chris Arnes in a gmail .com. Perhaps I'll ask one of Grady's questions because perhaps you can expand upon it.

He asked. Does the book line up with one of the Protestant catechisms? Well, wouldn't you say that all of the creeds and confessions of the Reformed Faith as you just said. There's only a there's only three questions that have any Violation of doctrine with Reformed Baptists, but when you're talking about those who endorse or embrace the three forms of unity.

Those who embrace the Savoy Declaration. Those who embrace the 39 articles of religion in the Anglican Church. The Reformed Anglicans. Those who emblaze embrace The 1689 confession. And I don't know if I've overlooked any but really, you know, nobody with any of those creedal or confessional Statements as a part of their life and piety and faith.

Would have any problem with this, right? I've even.

Seen and heard Arminian pastors quote from the Westminster Catechism when it is agreeing with whatever it is. They're preaching about and right. I mean obviously the great historic creeds of the faith contain.

Much of which all those whom are truly born-again believe. Right, well, you know, that's. I think that's a good thing for you to perhaps summarize right now. What are some of these major themes? That parents should emphasize with their children, obviously.

I'm assuming you would think that would be inappropriate for parents to over emphasize. I'm not saying that they shouldn't ever mention them or teach their children about this but to over emphasize things about eschatology over emphasize things about Ecclesiastical matters church polity and so on.

What would be. What would be the major themes?

Of the Bible that a proper catechism should emphasize. I have to.

Add here how blessed I? was how extremely blessed and filled with joy I was to see a video that my friend Susan who actually led me to Christ in the 1980s. She showed me a video of her grandson and neither her Susan's son nor his girlfriend who are the parents of this boy are Born-again believers yet.

Anyway, I have confidence that they're being drawn. But they're their child Susan's grandchild Was so proud and I don't mean this in a bad way. It was so happy is a better way I guess I should put it to Show his grandma that he wanted to please her that he recited by memory the Lord's Prayer.

He's five years old and I was just so happy to see this young man Noah. If you're listening Noah Ignacio read from or not read I should say but recite from beginning to end by memory the Lord's Prayer and What a joyful thing that was and I'm sure that that is a key thing in the life of children that they should Be fully aware and be fully able to memorize and recite and repeat because of the major themes that are in that prayer alone.

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