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The following program is recorded content created by The Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live!

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Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at karm .org.

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When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right, buddy. Welcome to the show. I hope you're all going to have a good time listening and we'll see if things go well or not.

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We're having a little bit of an issue on the radio, but we're trying. Anyway, so hey, look, if you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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I want to hear from you. You can give me a call and hopefully things will work fine there.

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I'm going to just do a switch right now with this and with that and with this and then we'll get...

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Callers are waiting right now, so I want to hear from you. If you want to give me a call, I'll be fine. All right. So there we go.

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Let's do this. There. I know you can hear me now. All right. Whew. You know, tech sometimes can be a little bit irritating, just a little bit, when all of a sudden something doesn't work and you don't know why and can't figure it out.

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And I'm a tech guy, and so I usually can figure things out. But this one has got me. This one has really made it difficult for me to understand what's going on, but that does happen.

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All right. So, okay. Hey, if you want to give me a call on this

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May 17th, I mean, 2024, if you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276, all right, and if you want, you can email me and all you've got to do is direct an email to infoatcarm .org,

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infoatcarm .org, C -A -R -M dot

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O -R -G, and put in the subject line, just put in there, radio comment or radio question, and then we can hopefully get to it if you want.

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And if you're new to this show, you're just kind of cruising the stations, you want to know what this is about. It's a

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Christian station, of course, and I am a Christian who answers difficult questions, does impromptu debates, teaches.

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I've been doing this for over 20 years on radio, and what, I've written 6 ,000 articles and several books, and at any rate, so we talk about the

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Lord, atheism, evolution, UFOs, the occult, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian science, unity,

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Baha 'i Islam, Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Trinitarianism, which is good stuff, hypostatic union, divine simplicity, isms and istics, and stuff like that.

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So there you go, now, I want to hear from you, well, thanks for reminding me. So on the 31st of this month,

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May, 2024, I'll be in Ogden, Utah, for a debate,

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I'll be with a Mormon, and the topic will be, does the

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Bible teach salvation by faith or works? Now, I'm just going to say that all false religions teach salvation by works, you know, faith and works, but that's the title there.

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So it's going to be Friday, May 31st, from 4 to 6 p .m. at Weber State University, Weber State University, the

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Wildcat Theater, and I'll be debating David Robinson. Now, I'm going to give a phone number out, if you want more information, the number is 801 -645 -7433, and we're going to be debating, now, what does

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Mormonism teach? Now, that's a topic, because it was actually Mormonism that got me started in apologetics so many years ago.

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A friend of mine, Charlie, he read me a quote where Joseph Smith boasted that he did more than Jesus to keep a church together, and it made me mad.

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So I started studying, and I've been studying ever since.

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So I've developed hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pages of information on all kinds of religious systems, and written, like I said, 6 ,000 articles.

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All right, now, if you want to know where the debate stuff is, the information, if you want a better grasp on it, you know, without quickly over the phone, all you got to do is go to CARM .org

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forward slash debates, that's plural, debates, and you'll see there, it'll say upcoming debates, and you can check it out, click on the link, and it'll take you right there, see upcoming debates on 531, and all the info you need is right there.

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You can put some maps and some stuff in there like that. So easy peasy. And it's

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Friday, and so sometimes on Fridays we do Whack -O -Mail, now, you know, I haven't got too much Whack -O -Mail lately, but Whack -O -Mail, you know, it's, it's, there's got some people got some issues there, but don't have any real good

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Whack -O -Mail, but hopefully we'll be able to get some, you know, maybe in the future, uh -oh, look at what happened there.

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So now I've got to do that, hit the camera. So anyway, if you want to give me a call, like I said, 877 -207 -2276, all right, we're having a little bit of an issue with the, the gimbal, and there we go, got it.

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All right, let's get to Anonymous from Raleigh, North Carolina.

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Welcome, you are on the air. Hey, good evening, brother, and hello out there on the radio live, yeah, anyway, uh,

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I was at a Bible study last month, and, um, there was one guy that said that there, there cannot be

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Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, that there could not be, um, the, the Comforter, you know, that his, his was that God that Jesus came down to show us how to live and treat each other, and when he went back up to heaven, it was just, it was all, it was upside down and backwards, and I was trying to explain to the guy,

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I was giving him scripture, and uh -uh, but I, just if you could,

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I mean, we used to think about the Holy, there is the Holy Spirit, but yeah, it was, I didn't have a day to, I mean, he talked over the teacher and everything else, he talked about, there's all sorts of different, well, it's a comment, maybe, or whatever,

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I'm not sure what you're asking, though. Was he saying the Holy Spirit is not the third person of the Trinity?

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Yeah, he said it's not three different, and, and the teacher was trying to explain to him about, Wait, wait, wait, you gotta, hold on, hold on, you gotta finish your, finish your sentences.

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He's not three different what? What? That, that there's, that they're not three, three and one, not triune

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God, not triune, because there's no way that it could be three separate, yeah.

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Three separate what? Three separate Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Okay. He just kept saying, how could

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Jesus be all of what, you know, and we try to say the ice, you know, ice and steam and water share three different,

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Yeah, that's not a good, that's not a good, no, that's not a good analogy. Um, but, uh, so was he teaching the

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Bibles or he was just a guy in the Bible study? No, he was, he was, and he took up the whole time, you know, uh, debating about,

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No, no, no, wait, wait, wait, was he teaching or was he just in the study? He was not teaching.

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Okay. Okay. And when the discussion started and it just became that discussion for quite a while.

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Yeah, it was over, you know, for the whole, I took it the whole hour. I'm trying to, you know, talk to him and he wasn't having it.

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Yeah. He was comparing him to different spirits in this world. And he's, he doesn't know what he's doing.

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Um, there's a lot of information that I have on calm, on the Holy Spirit.

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And how the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity. And, um, what

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I would recommend is you could easily go to, uh, calm .org forward slash

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Trinity. And when you do that, it will forward you. Let me do it right now.

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Forward slash Trinity. And it'll take you to an article that I wrote when

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I write that. Come on. I got the right person then.

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Yeah. Okay. Back in 2016. And if you scroll down and this is for anybody might be listening, wants to debate me on the

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Trinity. This is what I'm going to go to. And that's what I'll, this is what I'll ask because I show this table to people and nobody's able to refute it.

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I mean, it's just because it's what it says. And, but at any rate in there, you'll see where the

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Holy Spirit is called God. He's eternal. He's a creator all knowing. Everywhere.

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And that he has a will, has a mind. He speaks, loves as fellowship with.

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So these are the attributes of a personhood. And since he's called

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God and he has all knowledge and he's everywhere, then, uh, he's third person of the

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Trinity. And so when I show this to people and I say, can you refute any of these verses? Is this what it says?

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And they can't, they just deny they don't refute. They just say, well, it just doesn't work in the

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Trinity. They just say, it doesn't work. Why not? This is exactly how you arrived at it. And they're stuck.

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And I had on my t -shirt that said father's three, five, six teacher. I said, well, like it says, and you're trying to figure it out in our earthly minds.

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This is can be done. And I'm glad it can't be. I don't want, and I have a book from church.

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John MacArthur, the true work of the Holy Spirit, maybe give it to, but thank you for your help.

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I didn't know quite what to ask or whatever, how to pose the questioner. Yeah. That's okay. So he was just denying the

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Trinity and that's okay. And denying that Jesus is God. I was like, I felt heart sick.

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I absolutely did. I was like, and, and not to be angry with him because he was just blinded.

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He was so blinded by stuff. Yes, he is. He's definitely one from the wind.

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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. My friend, God bless you. Thank you. All right.

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All right. Bye -bye. Okay. Okay. God bless. All right. So, hey, look, we have nobody waiting.

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If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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You have nobody waiting right now. So I think what I'll do is get on the, the email list and go over to, let's see some emails.

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Let's see. I'll just see what they say. All right. First of all, like I say, I love listening to your show. I can only get the last half hour, but it's still all good.

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Preacher, rapture person. Okay. I know that you believe that people will go through the tribulation. Yeah, I do. Different thoughts on this, but the church has not mentioned past Revelation 3,

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I believe, and neither is justification by faith. So just because it's not mentioned doesn't mean it's not there. It's still true.

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But nevertheless, and if your thoughts are correct on what is taken and what is left, that the bad people are taken, then why don't

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Jesus just take all the bad people and we don't have to worry about that? I don't know.

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I don't know. Why doesn't Jesus do a lot of things? I don't know. You know, so I wish that,

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I wish, I wish he would take people out now, but if he did, there'd probably be famine and plague because unbelievers do a lot of good works, keeping electricity going and cars running and things like that.

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So I don't know. You know, anyway, that part doesn't make any sense to me. I love the information on Mormonism. Good. I try to study it the best

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I can. Good. But I try to talk to a Mormon, though. I think I'm going to be able to get through to him.

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And it seems like it is in Rocky 3, Rocky 3, where Rocky thinks he's going to beat the

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Mr. T and he ends up, you know, getting leveled. That's awesome.

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That is awesome. So Mr. T, I don't know the actor's real name, but apparently he's a real good guy.

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He's a Christian. He goes around helping kids and speaking to kids and does a lot of good stuff. That's great.

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Anyway, that's not the whole purpose of this email. I just thought I'd throw it out there since I'm sending it to you anyway.

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Have you ever heard of an older radio personality?

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Well, yeah, like me. 67. Is that an older radio personality? I have a

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Christian radio personality supposedly from the mid to late 80s named Bob Larson. Yeah, Bob's OK.

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Bob Larson's OK. I thought he was good at first and all of a sudden he went downhill. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's OK.

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He's not great, but yeah, he's OK. You know, you can learn some stuff from him. So anyway, I enjoyed that email.

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It was fun. And let's see. End Times message. Oh, that's a wacko mail from William Branham.

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Branham's a non -Christian cult group. Let's see. Please be praise be to God who sent this guy with a wonderful message that made the

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Bible a new book. That's awesome because he's got a new message.

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So now the Bible's a new book. Really? Oh, I get all the people for centuries couldn't understand it.

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Now Branham comes along with a new message. Now it's a new book. Wow. Oh, man.

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All right. Well, hey, look, there's the break and we'll get back after these messages. So please stay tuned.

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We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. There we go. All right. Sorry about that.

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I hit a switch accidentally. All right. Hope you guys can hear me. Okay. Right.

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So there you go. All right. My bad. It was on me. All right. Hey, let's get on back on the air with I think that was who we with.

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Let's get the dial from Houston, Texas. Welcome. You're on the air. Yes. Hi, Matt Slick.

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Hi. Okay. Yep. Yes, I can. All right. Um, I've been listening to you for a long time, but I'm here with my brother and we both grew up together in the same house and all that.

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But I have a lot of questions about the Bible, about the authenticity of the

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Bible. I just don't know how the best way to explain things to him.

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As in, as in how, um, why, why should he believe in God?

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Or why what? We should God. I didn't hear it. Why should he believe him?

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Why should he believe in God? Or even if there is a God? I can answer that one. He ought to believe what is true.

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He ought to believe what is right. There's a natural thing that issue of, of ought, you know, ought.

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You believe two plus two is four. Well, yes, you should. We can get into the reasons for that. But you should, if God exists, you ought to believe in him.

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Right? That makes sense. Yeah. Well, his question is, how do I know that God exists?

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Well, where did everything come from? You see, if whatever he's holding in his hand, if he's holding a thing, a phone, that proves

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God exists. The clothes he's wearing proves God exists. The seat he's in proves

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God exists. I said, no, it doesn't. Yes, it does. Because think about it. Whatever you hold, whatever you have came from something.

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Well, where'd that come from? Well, from something else. Well, where'd that come from? And it goes backwards in time. Well, where did this all come from?

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Well, for the people. Well, where'd the earth come from? And where'd the solar system come from? Where'd the universe come from?

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Everything that exists, exists inside a causal chain. A causal chain of events that bring us to now.

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Every event occurs in a context. So there are contexts in which we exist.

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Like I'm sitting in my office, sitting in a chair. I have a headset on, so my existence contextually is there.

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Why am I here? Well, my mom and dad, they got married. Why did they? Because they're parents. I mean, go back and back.

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Well, okay, so how far back do we go? We go back to the cause. When we look at something that is the cause, what is the cause of all that exists?

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If people say that whatever exists has always existed, that is not possible. Because physical objects like we have in the universe can't always exist.

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Because, well, there's laws of physics. The second law of thermodynamics. Energy's running down.

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If the universe were infinitely old, there'd be no usable energy in the universe. This is just a physics fact.

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And it would also mean an infinite amount of time has been crossed to get to now if the universe is infinitely old.

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And that doesn't work. You can't cross an infinite. So the universe had a beginning. Well, what began the universe?

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It's either something that's self -aware or something not self -aware. Something alive or something not alive.

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There's no third option. You say it's either the case that a living being brought the universe into existence, or it's not the case that a living being brought the universe into existence.

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Or you could say it's the case that the universe brought itself into existence, or it's not the case that the universe brought itself into existence.

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This is called a true dichotomy. Whenever you have the thing and the negation of the thing, it's either the case that my cat brought the universe into existence, or it's not the case that my cat brought the universe into existence.

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And so when you have two possibilities, It's like my cat bringing the universe into existence if we only have two possibilities if one is negated the other is true

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Can it my cat bring the universe into existence? No, it can't So therefore we get rid of that and the other one is true

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The other one is it's not the case that my cat brought the universe. It's a true value. Okay So logic would require that we ask well what brought the universe into existence.

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It's either personal or not personal It's alive or it's not alive And if it's not alive

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Then it had to have the ability. It's called the necessary and sufficient conditions. It had to have the ability to do it

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But if it had the ability it was part of its nature like a rock. It's not personal.

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It's not alive It just is it either has what it has or doesn't have what it has If it has what it has the ability to bring the universe into existence

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Then it's gonna happen automatically But if it's all infinitely old it would happen an infinite amount of time ago

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Which would mean the universe is infinitely old, but it's not I'm skipping some stuff just get through all this and so therefore the impersonal cause of the universe is not possible

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Therefore the other view is true. There's a personal cause of the universe I've used this in many debates over the years and it's valid But you know take take take a little practice to understand it.

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Okay Yes, sir, um, do you mind that we're just sitting here together I think you have some maybe one of the questions

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Sure, no problem Yeah So, you know,

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I I think that there was some misunderstanding of what he thought

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I was thinking it wasn't so much of Of Does God exist in that sense so I guess my thing for him was more like My thing was more like we

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I guess we can agree that We don't have We don't have any type of physical or whatever type of proof.

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It's it's more faith and you believe That God exists and We're fine with that that God exists because we believe it and we have faith in it

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And Kind of know that that Right, and that's the thing.

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I mean, there's no scientific proof that he exists, which is Yes, you see the science is a philosophy

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Okay, people don't know that but it's a philosophy and it presupposes

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The scientific method presupposes what's called a uniformitarian view That everything in the universe operates the same way and so they can make predictions.

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It's an assumption. It's a philosophical assumption they also scientists in the scientific method presupposes

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The validity of the universality of the laws of logic and the consistency that the laws of logic and logical laws work in the physical world and so these are assumptions that that science is based on so it's a

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Philosophical approach to learning about the world and people don't ever think like that, but that's the case

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All right. Now proof is for logic and mathematics You how do you prove for example that George Washington lived?

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Is there proof? Well, we have paintings of him. Well, does that prove he lived? No prove means

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Absolute assurance. Well, what if someone said hey, you know, we have a film of him. Well, that's just not gonna work is it?

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And we got a break coming up. So the evidence in history is different than what is used in science

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So we don't want to use science for this We want to use a different set of things to find things out about older things

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It will be right back after these messages, please. Stay tuned. Be right back It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six

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Here's Matt Slick. All right, buddy. Welcome back to the show. Let's get back on here with Dayo Dayo, welcome.

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You're back on the air user Yes, sir Okay, let me yes.

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Let me just um, so I think our big argument now is the fact that You kind of answered it but I think we're still having this so He just wants me to admit that as a

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Christian. I don't know that there is a God but because of my faith I Believe there's a

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God But that there's no proof that there's a God To say there is no

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God is not logical because he or nobody can know all proofs there are been they have been many arguments to prove

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God's existence the transcendental the ontological the

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Teleological and I gave one so that's not really it's a good not a good place to start from Now the question is what would you look for?

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To if God was real, that's what should be asked if he's real. What would you expect to find?

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Because you don't want to find see if you can find him under a laboratory microscope. Is that God right there? How does that work?

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How do you have a scientific thing to prove God exists an experiment? No, it doesn't work like that.

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So what would be the kind of things necessary to find if out of God exists? That's just what you're gonna ask

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So, so you tell me I guess I guess that's what I'm trying to understand like so, you know

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You know, I guess that's yeah, that's what I'm trying to understand Yes, so, um

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If God exists and he is so completely different that he is bigger than the universe and created it and we are these little slivers of dots on this little small dust called planet

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Earth If he's gonna manifest himself to us, let's just say he he comes by in a gigantic cloud

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Okay, we go. What's that? It's a cloud. No, it's God. How would we know? Or what if he was a big globe going light, you know that come through Just passes you by Was that God someone see what

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I think is good. How would you know because it was a light was how do you know? So it's it's difficult

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So what we could say is Generally, we could say if God was to communicate to us

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He'd have to do it in such a way that we could understand it That makes sense because otherwise

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We're not gonna do it. I'm gonna work. All right. So what would be the best way to do that? Well, maybe a voice out of heaven

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Okay, you get this big booming voice, well it did happen in the Gospels with God the

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Father Spoke out of heaven several times to people and to Christ.

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Okay. Well, that's interesting Well, what if you know, God is this being who knows everything and he's there and you know

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He's gonna enter into the world Well, I think it'd be safe to say that we could say his entrance into the world be pretty special Wouldn't have to be but you know, maybe we'd be special What kind of things might that look like?

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Well, how about prophecy? but prophecy of him being born what city what family what time

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What would happen to him In detail his death his resurrection all prophesied hundreds of years beforehand

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So many so that the odds of him fulfilling them by accident are greater than one in The number of particles in the entire universe and I go into the math on that and it's easy to do

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So, okay. Well, you know if God knows everything did the prophecies like born of a virgin, you know,

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Isaiah 7 14 He'll be called God Isaiah 9 6 born in Bethlehem Micah 5 2

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He'll be pierced and crucified it'd be Zechariah 12 10 and Psalm 22 and all these are written hundreds and hundreds of years before Jesus was born and in Daniel 9 24 through 27.

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There's a prophecy that Before the coming of the Messiah when he comes in from the day that the decree to rebuild the the walls of Jerusalem From the day of the issuing of the decree

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There's a certain amount of time that'll pass before the Messiah comes into Jerusalem and I can go through it

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But it's a hundred and seventy three thousand eight hundred and eighty days That's what the prophecy talks about and that's 173 thousand eight hundred eighty days is when

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Jesus came into Jerusalem riding a donkey As it was prophesied he goes on like this and he's born of a virgin.

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How do you do that? And so Wow People are waiting for that his entrance into the world if if God's gonna do this that makes sense and maybe his life is

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Special for whoever it is like Muhammad for example, you know I'm reading through the Quran now, and I'm going very slowly and studying it and Muhammad He just claimed to be a prophet.

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Hey, I'm a prophet Okay, where's the prophecy? Where's your miracles? Let's see something that shows that you're not just saying it

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Let's see something that comes from God if you God exists with you and nothing happens. There's nothing recorded

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Well, the Quran is the miracle. No, it's not. It's got problems in it so Jesus had prophecy about him and Jesus claimed to be

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God And I gave you the verses well, that's like oh my goodness that that can't be the case

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Well, if God exists, he's gonna communicate with us. What better way is there? than to become one of us and Know exactly what

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I feel think Walk and talk you could sit there and sit down next to him. Like wait, how could

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God do that? Well, he's God You know and the second person of the

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Trinity that's more doctrine Became flesh and was in dwelling the body the person of Christ and The evidence that is given by the eyewitnesses.

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Hey, he walked on water He commanded a storm to obey and it did

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He caused people to rise from the dead. He cast out demonic forces.

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He healed leprosy He did all kinds of stuff fed 4 ,000 with just a few fish

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Repeatedly eyewitnesses writing this down. We saw over there. We saw this we thought that well, that means his life is pretty spectacular and he says

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Well, I can give you the verses but he claimed to be God in flesh the Creator and Okay, and then his death

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His death was near the crucifixion But after three days

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He rose from the dead and when the Romans killed him they killed him They knew what to do crucifixion was a horrible way to die and They took a sword lost a spear up in his side

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From he's up on the cross underneath and blood and water came out It says that's the separation of the blood because the heart doesn't functioning anymore

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He's gone his back had been ripped open nails in his wrists and his feet he's beating about the face three days after that He's in the grave.

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He rose from the dead now That's the evidence

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What's the best conclusion to draw from the evidence the historical evidence? There's more evidence that Jesus existed than Alexander the

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Great There is or Plato or Socrates You have more eyewitness accounts that are recorded within the lifetime of the people who saw it written by many of those who were there with them so It makes sense to say yeah

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He's the one we should believe in it makes sense to do so doesn't it? Right, yeah, okay

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Yeah, thanks for that. I really appreciate it. Yeah, that's what it is, you know, and and People say well,

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I can't believe I can't force myself to believe well. Yeah, you can To a degree you get in a car.

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Do you drive in the dark? There's a car coming at you and separate by this little paint line on the road

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You have faith that he's not going to drive into your lane You don't have any proof

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But you put your life on the line with that or the doctors that you trust to cut you open

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You trust that they're gonna do a good job, even though people die from doctors work And the medicines that you go to the pharmacy for I trust that they do a good job.

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There's no proof See we have evidence for all kinds of things and we're accustomed to certain levels of Faith that we apply when we have evidence the same principle applies to the truth of who

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Christ is His arrival was prophesied born of a virgin performed miracles

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Died and rose from the dead and he claimed to be God So I think it's you have better evidence there the trust in him then

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The guy driving on the other side of the road, yeah Okay, okay

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Thank you, thank you for helping that Yeah, and his questions are good questions or they're good questions

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And it just takes time. I would I'd recommend that he read the Bible Just read it and read the

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Gospels and read about Jesus and see what you think of him You know, okay There's a problem

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All right, buddy. All right, you too. God bless Hey folks, we right back after these messages if you want to wake through them, then we can do some work

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We'll be right back. Please stay tuned It's Matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six, here's

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Matt slick Everybody welcome back to the show. Let's get to herb or herb

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Welcome you're on here Listen, buddy. I'm gonna try to be a little discreet on what

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I'm trying to ask you about But I just want your feeling on it. You may not know anything about I have a friend who's joined a church in Durham North Carolina near where I live and It's got

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Korean Origins from it from what I've read on it, and I cannot think of the name at this point

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But it's on a little mission society Church of God world mission society That's exactly right.

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Now. Here's the thing buddy, and I don't know what you saw if they see what I put up there Well, I won't say the date but they've determined that there's a certain day.

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I don't want to scare the public They say there's a certain date that The rapture is going to occur and she is so convinced of this that she wants to make these drastic changes and I'm as a friend.

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I don't know what to have advisor. You can't talk to her. I think it's a cult. I really do

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Well, see if they go and they go straight out of the Bible Matt they Think I'll just say

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Well, here's the thing. She said there's a male and a female God Well, that's not biblical, but she compares that with other things like us

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Christians I know it's not true us Christians are missing the boat that we're not aware that on this day.

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We're gonna miss the boat She's gonna see in her group is gonna be in heaven And we're not and God came back in the 30s with the male and the female

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God and then I think sometime in the 30s That who came and they sleep in their car when they go they take she takes her well she takes her child out of school a lot and that's not

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That's not the way to do, you know And I think a lot of her I care about her

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But she's she's so far gone in this thing and she only got into it in the last few months But I don't know how to advise her or if I can advise her

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What do you say? She's brainwashed There's a phenomenon called snapping and she snapped and it's very hard hard to get someone out once they've snapped

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It's where you don't believe you don't believe in wham you believe in it and then just go with it. So yeah

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It's you know, I'd be willing to talk to her over the phone I'm sure she wouldn't want to do that But I'd be willing to ask her questions and deal with truth in the nature of how can you have a mother and a father?

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God are they both eternal? And there's serious problems with this it's like Mormonism where they come from why is there male and female do they have relations in heaven

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You have to ask all these questions And what's going? Oh, yeah, and so You know in and they generally can't answer them

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But I have to be very careful when I'm talking to someone in a group like that because they're so Brainwashed that if you say the wrong thing, they just shut the door

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If you think yeah, we're very she's hands clean. I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, go ahead. Go ahead.

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Sorry I said she tends to get very Abrupt very blunt about things and kind of a little bit overboard and You have to be careful what you say to her because she's so Brainwashed like you say at this point.

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I don't think there's any saving to her But she has a child that I'm concerned about being brought up in this and I don't you know

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I know I wouldn't be able to get her on to talk to somebody, you know, like yourself outside of her group of friends

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But I'm son everything you're saying is exactly what I felt too. It's a cold. It's it's she's totally misled

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But I don't know what's gonna end up happening with it at this point. Well, you know often the people in cults

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It takes something traumatic to get them out Yeah, once it usually come out go very quickly or very slowly and For the very quick a trauma occurs they

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Something it could be all kinds of different things that just traumatized them and they they can't handle it they leave

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But a lot of times over a period of time they start seeing inconsistencies

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They start thinking about them like in Mormonism when Mormons ask You know, they see inconsistencies in their history their doctrines they ask the the

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Bishops that are basically told don't ask those kind of questions. Well, why not? You know, yeah this kind of stuff and it begins a process.

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Well, why can't we just ask a question? What's wrong with that and they don't want you to do the wrong? So this is the same type kind of thing that happens with cults like this and I can deal with them

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I can handle them. I would be Perfectly willing to do a public formal debate with their representative the whole bed

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You know, I would do that because it's never gonna happen But yeah, so what do you do? Well, you pray for them now you gotta understand when you start praying for for her really praying for her you're gonna be stirring up a spiritual pot

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And you want to be prayed up that the demonic forces don't turn their attention on you and make your life a little uncomfortable

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It can happen doesn't mean it's going to it's just a possibility. So that's something to think about Their thing is if there's a way for you to guard her now even as far as if She wants to say say let's just say she's so convinced her after is gonna happen next week

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She sells you her car for $1 ,000. Let's just say Say, okay $1 ,000 you buy the car and then you hold it for after it fails

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You can you don't get it because you get back a lot her life get back going You're guarding her stuff for her because she can't handle it

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None of that's possible, but these kinds of things that are we watch out for those people who are brainwashed

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Yeah Well, there is a specific date and I told you call her your screener

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Better don't want to say it to scare other people, but I thought I told her What if you wait and she's convinced if she doesn't do certain things,

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I don't understand at all But whatever she's supposed to have to do to get ready for that date Which is not too far off She's got to do it.

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And I said, well, why don't you wait? Till that date and you know You might be wrong and if these things don't occur on the date that you say that you've been with your vision

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Whatever you've been told and it doesn't happen Would that not tell you that this just may be a mistake their own religion to be in their own

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You know groups to be a part of You know But I don't think she's gonna listen to me

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But that was my thinking just to just just be patient and you know If you think this is truly the right way and you believe as a

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Christian, which they call themselves Christians But I know that they can't be but I said if you believe the way you believe that if you just you know

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Have faith and see what happens on that date And if then if you find that you're wrong then realize it's not a sin to be wrong

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Just admit even the wrong belief belief and you know get with the right belief That's right, but I don't think she's gonna fall for that It's just it's just no talking to her.

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But I just I wanted to confirm with you. I felt my own mind I don't have a lot of background on stuff like this, but I felt sure it's got to be a cult and I've never heard of the the beliefs about male and the female

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God and all that. This is just no way Yes, they teach Look at my notes.

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Okay, God is modalistic Sort of fathers and Holy Spirit being three distinct simultaneous persons these modes.

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There's a heavenly mother Salvation is by baptism and you have to Do it in the name of Jehovah the

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Father Jesus a son and the Holy Spirit who is on a song home It's hard to pronounce the and you have to touch you have to give money and that's where the crookedness is

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I think there's somebody's getting rich off of these people who of course, you know have low self -esteem And you know saying you if you don't believe in something you fall for anything and I think that's what she's gotten into But I just can't

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I can't get her to see the forest for the trees. I mean, I just I don't know But I really appreciate that you confirming what

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I felt pretty sure I was correct But I'm not that smart of a person

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I mean, I'm just an average guy, but I wanted to confirm it from you and you'll see what you thought and any suggestions so Well time will tell

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Yep, sorry, that's what it is. She's in a cult and there's lots of cults all over the place

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Lots of cults. Yeah. Yeah, that is so sad. You know, the Lord really needs to come on back soon

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I mean, it's not for us to say but I sure wish he'd heard me come back We sure need him.

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That's right. Well Matt. God bless you as always you and your family Thank you so much, and y 'all have a wonderful weekend

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You too, man, god bless appreciate it. All right. Yes, sir. Bye. Bye All right, all right, all right

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Let's get to Fabio from Ontario Canada Welcome, you're on the air

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Hey, man, appreciate you taking my call. I just started listening to your stuff recently

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Absolutely love your website fantastic love the debates I Think I have the debate with you and aren't wrong next to watch which

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I'm really excited about that one Already feel bad for him, but What's that You'll never to be you again.

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No, he won't ever debate me again because at the end of our debate listen for it I started saying he had faith.

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Oh Man, he did not like that. He didn't oh, yeah. Oh, yeah He's really easy.

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They get angry. I watch I don't know if you know who Bob Duco is He's up in Michigan Bob Duco he has a he has a radio show as well

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And he debated him as well that it was funny to the topic out on dinosaurs and our

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Ross started saying well I'm not a you know, I'm not a professional on dinosaurs after Well first he said let's talk about dinosaurs

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Then after Bob Duco started just going with why dinosaurs live with men and things like that Then all of a sudden he wasn't a professional in that field, which

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I thought was funny. But anyways, I wanted to ask a Question I was a

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I was a Catholic for many years I've been saved for about 12 years now

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So I was trying to get a conversation going with this gentleman, he has a

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YouTube account and a Catholic guy and he's talking about all these

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Catholic things and I have a good understanding about Catholic doctrine and all that and I told him can we have a dialogue about Baptism or belief for salvation or for being born again and And He wants to talk about all these other things like he wants to talk about the early church fathers and this is that and I told

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Him with all the respect. I I don't really care It's what the scripture is telling me.

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So my church early church fathers is Paul Peter John Now, do you have that?

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I do the same thing, right? I mean I do If there if these guys in the first second third century are saying something different in the scripture then something's wrong and I know they don't uphold the scripture as We do

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I get that Now, do you have anything that I can? Look at where it talks about so his thing is the early church fathers would agree with his analysis of baptism, which is

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A baptizing babies and Needing to get baptized to go to heaven as opposed to what we believe in believers baptism

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What you can do is go to calm and look up. Okay early church fathers on the in the domain category and then go to quotes by topic and You'll see where they differ on the

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Apocrypha baptism the canon of Scripture the Eucharist faith alone purgatory

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Salvation by faith scriptures of final authority and a bunch of other stuff so when I talk to Catholics and he's

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Orthodox and they tell me that That it's all the church fathers agreed with them.

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I say which church fathers Which which ones could they contradict each other? No, they don't.

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Oh, yes, they do You know if I go to baptism and salvation I click on my links and I've done the research, you know

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Irenaeus said Bapu was necessary I did origin and tertullian and Ambrose but Clement of Rome and polycarp and Marianas Victorinus said no

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I read them to quilts and Say and furthermore and you do this all kinds of topics and you can say look

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How do you know what these church fathers are right? That's a question and they can't answer right?

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They have to go to the scriptures. Oh, man, we're at a time call back tomorrow Well tomorrow go back Monday. We could talk about the church fathers.

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I deal with the Catholics Okay, perfect. I show you a link. That's right Yes, I appreciate it so much god bless you brother

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Okay, god bless. We'll talk to you later another program powered by the truth