November 21, 2017 Show with Thaddeus Williams on “Elevate: Mirroring the Saving Grace of Jesus”

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Just a couple of days before Thanksgiving on November 21st 2017 and I am delighted to have back on the program Thaddeus Williams. Thaddeus is an assistant professor of theology at Biola University in La Mirada, California.

He's a former teacher of literature at Saddleback College jurisprudence at Trinity Law School philosophy at LaBrie Fellowship in Switzerland and Holland and ethics for Blackstone Legal Fellowship and Federalist Society in Washington DC and Author of love freedom and evil.

Does authentic love require free will. And Reflect becoming yourself by mirroring the greatest person in history. That's actually the book We are going to once again address and in specific or specifically the chapter on elevate mirroring the saving grace of Jesus and It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio.

Thaddeus Williams.

It's a joy to be back with you looking forward to it.

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And it was just a blessing being there Manning and iron sharpens iron exhibitors booth and I look forward to my return to Grace Bible Fellowship Church in Quaker town for Any future events that they may have but it was a true blessing To be there and was also a blessing upon returning home to celebrate The 60th birthday of my dear friend Susan Hopkins who led me to Jesus Christ back in the mid 1980s by God's sovereign grace, and it was such a joy to Celebrate her 60th with her daughter her son and their respective boyfriend and girlfriend and It was truly a joy and also three of Susan's grandchildren were there as well.

But today as I said, we are discussing a chapter from our Guests book our guest Thaddeus Williams book reflect and this specific chapter is elevate mirroring the saving grace of Jesus before we go To that Thaddeus if you could tell us something about what you do at Biola University in La Mirada, California.

Sure happy to so I.

Great, and I believe if I'm not mistaken, isn't our next interview on dr. Kuiper? I.

Think so. Yeah. After our last interview we got talking Kuiper.

Great. Yeah, that's our next interview with Thaddeus Williams. So make sure that you Make sure you keep your ears open for Me to announced. In fact, I already know it it's a Friday December 1st. Friday December 1st is our next interview with Thaddeus Williams on the subject of Abraham Kuiper quite a notable figure from Reformed history and Not without some controversy and some disagreement amongst Reformed brethren as to his Positions on certain issues, but quite a fascinating individual who actually was led to the Lord After already being a pastor by an elderly woman in his church, right?

Yeah.

So and so mark your calendars for Friday December 1st 4 to 6 p .m. Eastern Time. Well now let's move on to the book before we even go into the specific chapter of the book a Book that we have already addressed on several occasions reflect becoming yourself by mirroring the greatest person in history.

Why don't you? Start off because our the fact that we are getting it seems new listeners every single day in the iron trip ins iron audience. So I'm sure there will be quite a number of people who did not hear you on your previous interviews.

So why don't you give us a summary of what reflect is all about and what was the motivation behind you writing it?

Happy to. I mean one way of thinking about reflect is a 200 page from there. How is that? Amen. And the.

Mirroring the Saving Grace of Jesus

Specific title of our of our conversation is mirroring the saving grace of Jesus and That is an interesting title and an interesting concept because we know that There are attributes of Jesus that we are to imitate.

We are to imitate his Forgiveness his patience his Obedience his holiness and all these wonderful attributes that are too many to number that were and are and Always will be possessed by our Lord Jesus Christ the perfect God man.

But this is a little different. This isn't an attribute that we're talking about it is something that Jesus Christ is Basically providing for his people his elect. This is something that he is freely giving.

To.

Wicked sinners who deserve nothing, but eternity in hell and yet he is Providing a saving grace to us. If you could explain how we is finite fallible sinners can Imitate something like this, which is not just an attribute or not an attribute really at all, but it is an action.

Now would you agree? I have heard some reformed Brethren who have Explained grace this way and I have echoed their comments. I was wondering how you felt about this or should I say how you believe about this?

We don't care about how you feel. But But Unmerited favor is the common definition of grace and it is an accurate Definition, but even though it's accurate in a technical sense Isn't the grace that we read about in the scriptures that Jesus Christ bestows upon his elect more accurately described as ill merited favor.

And I was at a I was at a halfway house Preaching at the request of the church where I'm a member Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle. They occasionally asked me to preach a sermon for the men in this halfway house Bethesda Mission in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, and I was giving a basically a contrasting view between Undeserved or unmerited favor and ill merited favor.

And I said that if I walked up to one of you in the audience and just handed you a hundred dollar bill And you did absolutely nothing to deserve that That would be unmerited favor. But if you had raped and murdered everyone in my family and Then while trying to burn my house down You are somehow caught in the fire and the house is collapsing down on you and I rushed into those burning flames put you on my back carried you out of those flames to safety and Then when it was later discovered that you needed a vital organ That was severely damaged in this episode I donated one of my vital organs to you.

That would be more of descriptive and of ill merited favor and that much more of course every. Every time we try to use a picture of some biblical truth We fail miserably short, but that would be a closer picture to what Jesus Christ is done.

Am I right?

I would say I would say between 99 and 100 99 100. You're pretty darn close.

Amen. And When you so tastefully put it that that humanity is raising up two middle fingers to God in in our nature in our nature before obviously being regenerate and only a small portion percentage wise Would be in that category.

There are going to be probably Most if not all people even if they are as lost as lost can be unless they happen to be actually members of a Satanic cult of some kind or or some religion that is more open in their hatred for Jesus Christ because most religions even though they do not believe in his deity or That he is a savior of any kind most Religions or representatives of religions in our day and age would view Jesus Christ as a wonderfully kind and compassionate guru of some sort.

But most people I think would say you're way off base. I don't have that kind of a Attitude towards Jesus Christ at all. I love celebrating Christmas and Easter and I love The story of Jesus's Humility and sacrifice and the way that he fed the poor and healed the sick.

I don't have this kind of hatred that you are describing but isn't it that in reality they don't have a hatred against a Jesus of their own imagination that may include some truths, but it's still nonetheless not a biblical Jesus that they're really referring to.

Yeah, yeah, I think he nailed it on the head. There's kind of a that was the doobie brothers. There you go. Yeah, and there's that the nice guy. She's inspirational crazy. Overwhelming majority. Yeah, good guy, right.

And even.

Today in the 21st century and probably for quite a long time before that you will have Orthodox Jews saying wonderful things about Jesus, but either they haven't read the Talmudic Descriptions of of Jesus or they just care not to mention them because they're quite horrifying.

Yeah, that's right. The Sanhedrin section. In fact, that's good. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I stepped on your last few words there. Right. And for those of you who think that Norman Greenbaum's 1970s song spirit in the sky is a wonderful song about Jesus That's just a nonsensical song that has no Root in biblical truth.

In fact, there's one line in the song where Norman says I'm not a sinner. I've never sinned. So obviously he has no need of a Savior named Jesus in his mind, but anyway.

That's right, yeah, right. One of the most recognizable recognizable to guitar riffs in the history of music.

I know what it was. I was I was imitating. Mr. Rogers. I like you as you are. In fact, I think that you've just given me a Conclusion that it might be incorrect, but it sounds like ZZ Top might have ripped that riff off.

But anyway in later years. My apologies to the folks in ZZ Top. I was just joking. Anyway, we have to go to our first break right now. And if anybody would like to join us, we do have several of you already waiting to have your questions asked and answered.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Ornson. If you just tuned us in our guest today is Thaddeus Williams he has returned to speak about his book reflect becoming yourself by mirroring the greatest Person in history and we are discussing Specifically a chapter in his book elevate which is mirroring the saving grace of Jesus Christ.

And if you would like to join us on the air with a question of your own, our email address is Chris Ornson at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com and I want you to all keep in mind that we are giving books away.

But we are not going to give books away to those who have already won Thaddeus's book. Since we already have interviewed him and done a giveaway. So that these books that we are giving away are For first-time winners only but I am making one exception and I'll tell you why we have Joe in Slovenia Who has sent us a question?

He already won a book, but I am going to Send this book to his daughter in Georgia that she can have a copy for herself Georgia here in the United States not the country and So we thank you Joe in Slovenia for sending in a question and his question is Please ask brother Thaddeus.

I keep saying Thaddeus. The reason why I keep saying that Thaddeus is that I have a friend named Thaddeus who spells it identically to you. He's the only person and that I've ever heard of with a name spelt like yours that pronounces it that way Thaddeus his parents are from Tennessee and Oklahoma.

I don't know if that has anything to do with it, but or maybe just Something specifically in their own preference why they pronounce it Thaddeus. But anyway.

Please.

Ask brother Thaddeus to address the aspect of Christ that seems to be excluded from our theology in the interest of reflecting Jesus in light of the assertion that it takes a whole Bible to teach the whole Christ to make a whole Christian.

Are we to emulate and reflect his wrath as well as his grace? If so, how if not, why not are we to balance wrath and grace or are we to be all? Gracious and never wrathful. Thanks so much for your insightful and edifying ministry.

That's an excellent question because As I'm sure you would agree Thaddeus that that most of Christendom in the 21st century has a Jesus of Greeting cards a Jesus of certain movie depictions of him being nearly Identical to a hippie on Valium or something very passive very quiet and although we know he was a Meek and mild individual and he was gracious and patient.

And he Willingly gave up his life for us. He laid it down. It was not taken from him. But we also have a Jesus that overturned tables in the temple and we have a Jesus who was calling the Pharisees whitewashed sepulchres filled with dead men's bones and I guess the the issue is How far do we go in imitating that aspect of Jesus the the second one?

That's a good bullet dire straits.

Now before any of our listeners start running over to their local Catholic Church or Synagogue and begin turning over bingo tables. When you say we're supposed to imitate Christ. Are you merely speaking about his anger?

Because obviously there are certain things Jesus did that if we were to imitate him. Exactly in the way that he responded to events and to people. We would be getting ourselves into a lot of trouble and in fact, there is I'm not going to mention any names in this conflict because there is quite a heated debate on the internet going on between two brothers who Theologically have a lot of agreement.

Excuse me, but um one of these brothers went into a Church where Rodney Howard Brown the notorious laughing revival heretic Was speaking. I don't even want to dignify what he did by calling it preaching.

But uh, and so this individual who is a sovereign grace-believing Baptist individual went into this gathered Assembly where Rodney Howard Brown was performing his satanic little act there and. The person the the person who was theologically sound in their midst stood up and began heckling and yelling and rebuking and.

Then that person was bodily dragged outside of the meeting hall. And so another brother who's a Reformed Baptist had been publicly rebuking that individual for doing that especially in a day and age. When there are shootings going on like the one that recently took place in Texas where people are going to perhaps be.

Pulling out guns depending upon where you live and and shooting you if you do something like that, but if you could. Maybe give a perhaps more detailed explanation of what you mean by how we respond. And in our efforts to imitate Jesus to something like a heretic like Rodney Howard Brown.

In fact, let's pick up right where you left off there because we have to go to our midway break right now.

Yep.

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