January 20, 2023 Show with Dr. Rhett Bergeron on “The 2023 Faith & Medicine Conference in Cumming, GA”

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This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Friday on this 20th day of January, 2023.

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And I'm thrilled to have a first -time guest on today who comes with the highest recommendations from two dear friends of mine, one of whom is no stranger to the

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Iron Sharpens Iron Radio audience, Dr. Joseph C. Moorecraft III, whose ads you hear every day on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

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He is, or should I say, Heritage Presbyterian Church there in Georgia, is one of the key sponsors of this program.

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And Joe and his wife, his lovely wife Becky, said to me, you have got to get

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Dr. Rhett Bergeron on the program. And he is a regenerative medicine physician and addiction treatment specialist with Real Health Medical, and they have conferences called the

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Faith in Medicine Conference. So I always take up Dr.

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Moorecraft and Becky's strong recommendations every time they recommend a guest to me.

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I immediately jump on it, and I did so with Dr. Rhett Bergeron.

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And we are going to be not only talking about his own salvation testimony, but we're also going to be talking about the upcoming 2023

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Faith in Medicine Conference in Cumming, Georgia. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr.

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Rhett Bergeron. Well, thank you, Chris. It is quite an honor to be a part of the program, and greetings to all of the listeners.

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And likewise, I take the same recommendation from Pastor Moorecraft and his wife.

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They had urged me to contact you over the last year. So I'm glad the

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Lord brought us together, and thank you for your diligence and reaching out. Amen. Well, tell our listeners about Real Health Medical, first of all.

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Okay, so it is a functional medicine clinic, which means we integrate what we feel is the best of more traditional, conventional healthcare, and what's available to us from a environmental, nutritional, regenerative medicine perspective.

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And we're a team of practitioners and clinic workers working together.

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There are physicians, nurse practitioners, physician assistants, health coaches, detoxification coaches,

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IV nurses, and a number of other therapies. So we work together to try to truly determine the cause of the illness or symptoms in our clients, and we work to build an individualized health or wellness program to restore their health, improve their symptoms.

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We try to look at it on mind, body, and spirit, because each one of those are real aspects of who we are, and they interact, as we all know, and each of them can cause symptoms.

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And so we try to truly be holistic in our approach to healthcare.

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So that's what Real Health Medical is. We started about 15 years ago, we're just slightly growing year to year, and we actually have three clinics in the

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Atlanta metropolitan area. And that's what

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Real Health Medical is. And if anybody wants to investigate this fine health practitioner firm, go to realhealthmedical .com,

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realhealthmedical .com, and we'll be repeating that later on. Now tell us about the upcoming

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Faith in Medicine conference there in the Atlanta area. I'll be glad to do that.

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Let me mention one last thing about Real Health Medical, the clinic. I think our audience might appreciate our mission statement, and it is to advance the kingdom of God and improve the lives of those we serve by providing an integrated medical and wellness center for the healing of mind, body, and soul through Christlike love.

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Amen. So that's our mission statement. And to your next second issue about the

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Faith in Medicine conference, so this idea came to me probably 10 years ago.

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And in the Atlanta area, there are quite a number of Christian healthcare practitioners, whether they're medical doctors or osteopathic doctors or chiropractors or massage therapists, naturopaths, nutritionists.

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There's a wide variety of healthcare practitioners. And I thought that we needed to know each other.

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And I thought that if we knew each other and we can encourage each other, minister to each other, learn about the scriptures and how they apply to healthcare and grow and how we live out the truth of scripture and manifest

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Christ, that would be a noble goal. And I thought that one way to do that would be to bring together these practitioners in a conference.

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So 10 years later, and that started in 2021, we had our first Faith in Medicine conference, and it was primarily aimed at healthcare practitioners and their staff.

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We didn't want to leave out their clinic admin staff because they tend to get left out. Doctors get to go to conferences, but the staff get left behind.

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So we did that the first year in 2021, and it was almost canceled because of COVID.

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But in God's providence, a facility within a week's notice allowed us to shift venues.

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And so we had a place to meet. The conference went so well in 2021.

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We said, you know, the public's got to hear these truths and these speakers. So in 2022, we expanded the conference to include the public.

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And it was quite a blessing, even over the whole course of 2022.

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I kept getting very positive feedback, you know, got just a week later, but even months and months later.

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And so it was very encouraging. And so we're coming up in two weeks in our third conference,

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February 3rd and 4th in Atlanta, Georgia. We'll have the 2023 Faith in Medicine conference.

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And I really hope that one day you get to meet my own personal physician who seems to be right on the same page as you in regard to philosophy of medicine.

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His name is Dr. Joel Yeager, and he and his wife run Heritage Family Health in Newmanstown, Pennsylvania.

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Wonderful Christian brother. And he co -authored with Dr.

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Daniel O 'Rourke, a cardiologist in California, and Ernest Springer, a dedicated

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Christian man. They co -authored a book, very valuable book called

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Coronavirus and the Leadership of the Christian Church, A Sacred Trust Broken. They were very opposed to the shutting down of churches and during the the so -called pandemic.

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And they also are warning people about the dangers of the coronavirus vaccines and the fallacy of mask mandates and so on.

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So I hope that you get to meet Dr. Yeager. In fact, even his co -author,

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Dr. Daniel O 'Rourke and Ernie Springer. I'm looking forward to that.

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It's duly noted and it's on my to do list. In fact, yesterday

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I interviewed a dentist who is also on the same page with you, Dr. Anthony Silvestro, who is not only a dentist, but he is a theologically reformed

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Christian apologist and a presuppositionalist. So you've got to meet him, too.

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In fact, I'll send you a link later on of the audio of the interview we did.

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And for our audience's sake, where is, maybe they heard, but where is Dr. Silvestro located?

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I believe Dr. Silvestro is in Ohio. I think that's where his practice is.

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I'm almost certain. And I'll find out all of that information for you. Well, if anybody wants to attend this faith and medicine conference, and by the way, just to list the speakers,

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Chris Strevel, who happens to be the pastor of my dear friend

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John Otis and his wife, Christine. Suzy Griswold, Dr.

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Joel Robbins, Dr. Grant Scarborough, Dr. Lou Priolo, who

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I know from years ago, when I worked part -time, in addition to my work with a major radio station in New York, I worked part -time for Calvary Press Publishing, and they brought a couple of Dr.

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Priolo's very first books into print. And Martha Peace, who

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I have had the privilege to interview on this program as well. So that is the lineup, and if anybody would like to find out more about it, go to faithandmedicine .org,

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faithandmedicine .org. I'm going to give our listeners our email address, if you have questions for Dr.

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Rhett Bergeron. The email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail .com.

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And obviously, when I'm interviewing a physician, I could very readily see that some of our listeners would have personal and private questions about their health and so on.

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So we will definitely grant your request to remain anonymous, but if it's just a general question, please give us your first name, city and state, and country of residence.

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Well, now it's time to continue the tradition on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

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Whenever we have a first -time guest on the program, we have that guest give a summary of their salvation testimony, which would include any kind of religious atmosphere in which they were raised, if any, and also what kind of providential circumstances our sovereign

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Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them. And let's hear your story.

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Well, thank you. That was actually the very subject matter of a men's

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Bible study that I was a part of this morning, so this is very appropriate. I was raised as sort of a combination of a

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Catholic and Episcopalian. And I, in retrospect, in my sort of junior high, you know, teenage years,

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I could certainly see the Lord working to draw me to himself.

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And one of the things providentially when I was a senior in high school, the group

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Young Life came to our public high school in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and these college students were very faithful at sharing the gospel and, you know, many of the passages and truths in the

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Book of Romans. And they really captured my heart and mind. And then

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God used that over the next two years of when I was in college to sort of burn that into me and give me, you know, a longing to hear more, began to convict me of my sinfulness.

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And then about right in the middle of college, I was back in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and I met two friends from high school who had been saved, and they were sharing the gospel.

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And so we spent about three hours talking, and they were sharing, opened up the scriptures to me, and it was the most, you know, wonderful conversation

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I had ever had in my life, probably. And so I went home and started reading the scriptures and, of course, pulled out a dictionary because many of these words were unfamiliar with me, to me.

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And so I did this for about four days, and at the end of four days,

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I had a, you might say, a new heart, a new mind. And I called these two friends and I said, where do you go to church?

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And they told me, and I said, I'll meet you there Sunday morning. And from that three or four day weekend,

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God had captured my heart and regenerated me, and within about a year brought me to the

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Reformed faith. And so that's probably a good synopsis of my conversion.

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Well, you've got to tell us how you came to discover the Reformed faith and come to embrace it, and how quick of an experience was that?

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Because some people struggle for a long time, even years, perhaps even decades, before they finally surrender to God's sovereignty, even though they are regenerate

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Christians. With me, it took a couple of months after I first became a born -again believer.

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But tell us your story about that. Well, thank you. So this first church that I attended was a charismatic church, and there was a

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Sunday school class that was supposed to be for the ladies only, because it was taught by an older woman.

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But she was such an excellent teacher, and she kept quoting the

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Puritans and Martin Lloyd Jones and A .W. Pink and Spurgeon, that just, men started going to the class.

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And it was just full of truth and great power. And after months of going to that class, and then leaving, you know, you'd leave to go from Sunday school to church, or to your main preaching and worship service,

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I just lost complete interest. Because it was a sort of a charismatic environment, and there just wasn't the content.

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And it was very, you know, emotionally based, and I just lost interest. In fact,

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I thought I was backsliding, because after I'd go to Sunday school, it was so just absolutely wonderful.

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That's all I needed and wanted to hear. And so a few months went on, and I struggled about that.

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And then, in God's providence, I was on the campus of LSU University in Baton Rouge, and I saw another friend from high school who had become a

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Christian. And we started talking, and he invited me to a Bible study that was taught by a man who was becoming

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Reformed. And this man, he's actually a pastor in Pensacola.

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He may have been a, his name is Jeff Pollard. He pastors in Pensacola, Florida. I know him very well.

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He is the president of Chapel Library, and I make use of those wonderful booklets very often.

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So, obviously being, you know, brought up in Louisiana and Baton Rouge, Pastor Jeff Pollard was quite well known.

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Before he was a Christian and before he was a pastor, he was a very prominent, you know, rock and roll music artist.

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And I was quite familiar with that. So, when this friend of mine at LSU invited me to Jeff's Bible study, it was an easy go to go, you know, to go attend.

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And Jeff was quickly becoming Reformed. God had saved him just, you know, two years before that.

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Took him out of rock and roll music. And he was going through A .W.

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Pink's book, I believe it was called Profiting from the Word. If I remember correctly.

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And I attended that Bible study for a number of months, and then I began to struggle.

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Because you can imagine, this is a very simple concept, but as a young believer, you know, some of these things were new.

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But he would teach that the evidence of a spirit -filled believer was a holy life.

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Versus the Charismatics, they had a different, you know, definition of what it meant to be spirit -filled.

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So, after, you know, continuing to ponder these things and search the scriptures.

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And it didn't take long for me to see that, you know, the Reformed biblical teachings that he was presenting were completely true.

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And so, God drew me away from the Charismatic Church. And that was very difficult.

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And then, so within a year, I was hearing Reformed teaching and preaching.

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And that was how I became Reformed in my view of the

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Christian faith. Amen. And a lot of folks who have that experience consider that being born again again.

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Yes, I do remember thinking that. Well, we do have already a couple of questions from listeners.

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We have Mike from Monroe, New York, who asks, Are you familiar with the work of Dr.

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Jack Cuozzo, and I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, C -U -O -Z -O, who published the book

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Buried Alive. And have you read Bobby Kennedy's book on Dr. Fauci?

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I have only heard of the book Buried Alive. I have not read it. And I am familiar with Bobby Kennedy's book on Dr.

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Fauci. I have wanted to read it, but have been quite busy with my medical practice and getting prepared for this

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Faith in Medicine conference that I have not quite gotten there. And the only other thing

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I'd say about that book, I have no doubt about the truth of it or the content. I think being on the inside of medicine and being somewhat familiar with politics, because back in Louisiana, I was very involved with the

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Republican Party for years, and I'd run for state Senate and state representative. And so I became my eyes were open many, many decades ago to the reality of, you know, the state of politics in America.

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So I'm not sure how much time I can spend reading the book.

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We only have so much time and already I'm quite convinced of how evil this man is and how he has not served this country or people in any faithful way.

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But anyway, I'm familiar with that book. Well, thank you, Mike, and continue to spread the word about Iron Sherpa's Iron Radio in New York State and beyond.

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We have Cindy in Findlay, Ohio, who says she is responding to our conversation about Dr.

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Anthony Silvestro, the dentist. I was right, his practice is in Cleveland, Ohio, and his church is in Medina, Ohio.

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So thank you very much for clarifying that, Cindy, and keep spreading the word about Iron Sherpa's Iron Radio in Findlay, Ohio, and beyond.

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We're going to go to our first commercial break right now. If you have a question, once again, for Dr.

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Rhett Bergeron, send it to ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N.

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Don't go away. We'll be right back after these messages with more of Dr. Rhett Bergeron.

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give us your first name city and state and country of residence only remain anonymous if your question involves any of the things

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I wanted to ask you about before I go to any more listener questions is the fact that as I said in introducing you to the audience you are an addiction treatment specialist and I'm fascinated to hear what your ideology and protocol is in that regard because I am a former drunk

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I was a drunk when I was a teenager at the age of 15 like I was a 60 year old sailor and I came to Christ was sober for 18 years and tragically fell off the wagon when my wife became seriously ill and eventually went home to be with the

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Lord spiraled me in such a deep depression that I began to drink again more heavily than I ever had before I was saved and thanks be to God I admitted myself into Hebron Colony which is a

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Christian addiction recovery ministry in Boone, North Carolina and I left that place having zero desire to touch alcohol again and by the way

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I'm not saying this to lay a guilt trip on anybody who socially drinks as a

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Christian moderately and responsibly it's a liberty for Christians as long as they don't sin in becoming drunk drunkenness is a sin it's even a damnable sin so the situation should not be taken lightly when you are drinking socially and moderately but the whole concept of addiction treatment is obviously near and dear to my heart so I want to hear what you have to say well let me clarify something

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I don't consider myself an addiction specialist but we do offer what

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I believe is a very effective detox program to initially have someone withdraw from whatever medications or recreational substances they're using and it's very safe it's very effective it reduces the overall withdrawal symptoms by about 50 % of the intensity or the severity of that and then by the end of that you know basically 10 day process a person's cravings are completely removed and they feel good their mind is clear their mood is so much improved their energy is improved and so now they're at the right place to start receiving counseling or coaching and so the primary basis of this treatment is a therapy called

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I had heard of that particular vitamin or nutrient in years past but I had not had time to look at it closely and then someone approached me and there was a there was an addiction clinic in Atlanta, Georgia that had been around for a number of years was very successful it just it wasn't successful in its marking efforts but in the 2 or 300 patients that it had treated they had a 95 % long term success record and and NAD was the primary part of that program it's administered intravenously it takes anywhere from 4 to 8 hours to do so and there's other things that we've included in our protocol but it's very effective and it's also we're not unique in offering this program there are more and more clinics and you know psychiatric health institutions offering this around the country it is not typically covered by insurance but that's that's my experience with it it's very effective and this is specifically for those addicted to alcohol or is this also in regards to other drugs?

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It's any drug in fact often a new patient or client will walk in on a

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Monday morning and that morning is the last time they take whatever substance they're using and then of course the next you know 3 to 4 days can be a little bit challenging as you're going through withdrawal but again this

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IV program mainly NAD but we also add you know vitamin C magnesium

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B vitamins calcium glutathione phosphatidylcholine a number of things such as that and that reduces your withdrawal symptoms by 50 % you know for a number of drugs and recreational substances you know you can you know it's a little bit difficult but when you start thinking about heroin and methadone these are very difficult and so some people would rather they're miserable in their addiction but they would rather use the drug because getting off of it and going through withdrawal is just so painful and so difficult and such a nightmare and so this therapy has made it really very you know doable and in fact

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I just followed up in my office a few days ago with a young man who had you know been on a number of different drugs and he was just recounting to me how easy it was to go through the therapy and again he's six months out he's feeling great his mind is clear he's really at a place where he enjoys life more and he also recounted now he's you know the

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Christian counseling that he's receiving is much more usable to him because his mind is clear

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Praise God and I was assuming that since you are a Christian physician and very open about your faith being a driving force in your medical practice to everybody who enters in through those doors at your practice that you would recommend follow up with a

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Christian ministry or church that will make sure that they have some kind of oversight of these folks

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I know that we do and we also start the process with that we tell patients that if you do this alone you have a significant possibility of relapsing if you don't have proper counseling and accountability and encouragement afterwards because you know you may go back to a former way of thinking or a former you know situation that triggers your cravings are gone but it doesn't mean that the various types of temptations and you know social pressures that may drive someone to use drugs will not come back to them in fact in my we've had we've had again a 95 % success rate the only two maybe three patients that we've treated in the last six years that had trouble and relapsed they were young they were close to 20 and they really weren't ready in fact they didn't even want to be there and so we try to be very careful about who we even start on the program because there's no use you know starting if someone's not ready to to really do the work right and Hebrew on colony the ministry that I admitted myself into they will not take you unless you are telling them

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I really want to do this if people are complaining before they even get there they remove them from the list and I just want to give a shout out to my friends at Hebrew on colony ministries in Boone North Carolina and the website is

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United States we're going to go to our midway break right now and please be patient with us folks because it is the longer break in the middle of the show because Grace Life Radio 90 .1

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We do have an anonymous listener who wants to know, how did your practice and you personally respond to the

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Great question, and certainly an anticipated question. We were quite different in our response to the

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I call it COVID madness on every level. First of all, we knew within days or weeks that something wasn't, something was amiss with the whole situation.

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But from a clinical standpoint, we did not require a mask for our normal clients or patients who came to the clinic.

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Our employees were not encouraged to wear a mask, unless they may have had some type of respiratory symptom, of course.

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And we would, of course, follow the standard, you know, high dose supplemental vitamin

01:16:05

D and zinc and vitamin C. But we also prescribed a tremendous amount of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and found them to be extremely safe and apparently very effective.

01:16:18

We had quite a number of clients or patients who gave us feedback within hours of starting those medications.

01:16:26

Their fevers broke and they felt much better. So that was our basic response to the

01:16:34

COVID epidemic. Well, praise God for that. We have another anonymous listener who says,

01:16:47

I am a member of a church where a deacon was profoundly helped and whose life was saved from near death due to COVID because one of your advertisers,

01:17:03

Dr. Banu Gadi, the pharmacist in New York City, recommended a very high regimen of vitamin

01:17:10

D3. And sadly, another deacon refused that counsel from Dr.

01:17:16

Gadi and passed. I was wondering how urgent is this issue when it comes to vitamin

01:17:23

D3 in the aid of those who are suffering with COVID? Well, it was interesting.

01:17:31

During COVID, it prompted me to study on a much deeper level the use and effectiveness of vitamin

01:17:39

D and look at, you know, all of the worldwide literature and studies that were being entertained or conducted.

01:17:47

You know, while America was, you know, was in the midst of confusion and lockdowns, the rest of the world often were studying what is the effect of, what is the vitamin

01:17:59

D level of many patients with COVID and what was their response?

01:18:05

And they were even doing the same for Z. So we were, we're big promoters of high dose vitamin

01:18:11

D. And at a minimum, we would encourage anyone acutely ill with a virus to take at least 10 ,000 units.

01:18:21

And it's, and it's not unheard of to take 50 ,000 units per day. We have found it to be extremely safe.

01:18:28

And for, you know, a short period of time, a number of weeks, we don't think there's any risk of vitamin

01:18:36

D toxicity. And likewise for zinc, we think that 50 to a hundred milligrams of zinc, and in some cases much higher was very appropriate.

01:18:48

And we also measure these two nutrients and, and almost every new patient coming to our clinic with some type of chronic illness.

01:18:55

And we often find these levels to either be low or at the very low end of normal.

01:19:01

And we do not consider that to be optimal or really therapeutic. Well, thank you, anonymous listener number two.

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So thanks for submitting your questions. I have a question of my own now of what is a baffling to me is when you watch even conservative media, uh,

01:20:10

Fox news, for instance, pretty much universally when they have a conservative physician on the program, the physician will pretty much you could, you could guarantee on Fox news that they will be against mandates for masks and vaccines.

01:20:31

And yet inevitably those same people though, recommend them and say that they have, have made use of the masks and the vaccines themselves.

01:20:42

They've gotten their entire family vaccinated, their little children. What is causing this phenomenon with physicians who should know better?

01:20:51

Uh, I mean, I've heard from physicians that are very knowledgeable in this area who say, who tell me that, you know, first year medical students know that masks are going to do nothing to prevent the spread of a virus.

01:21:08

And, and even the pharmaceutical companies that created these vaccines for COVID -19, even the pharmaceutical companies never said that these vaccines would stop the spread of the

01:21:22

Corona virus. It was only to diminish allegedly the symptoms that, that those who were suffering with COVID would have.

01:21:31

So do you get any ideas on this? It's baffling to me. Well, it reminds me of, um, something

01:21:39

I began to think about in my residency training. I remember speaking to one of my staff physicians and it occurred to me that we don't necessarily need smarter physicians in medicine.

01:21:55

We need physicians who, uh, have a moral compass and who are discerning and courageous.

01:22:05

And without those things, they're left to their humanistic thinking and institutions.

01:22:13

And so I think that, uh, the medical community in the world and certainly in America failed the

01:22:21

American people by not, uh, thinking through basic science, uh, viral immunology and not remembering that we have a

01:22:31

God given immune system that can be very effective if it's supported, such as with vitamin

01:22:37

D and zinc and vitamin C. And I think physicians have stopped thinking about many things in their lives and practice, and they're following the standard of care and the medical legal professional standard that's been proposed.

01:22:55

And so I think they're not putting patients first. They're not remembering that this is a calling in a sense to minister.

01:23:03

And I think that, uh, the, particularly with the vaccines that they've, physicians have completely forgotten to think about the principle of first do no harm as they think about that issue.

01:23:20

Yes. Uh, so I'm assuming that you would agree with, uh, not only my physician, but my guest yesterday, the dentist,

01:23:29

Dr. Anthony Silvestro, uh, that the vaccines, uh, are really, uh, can be extremely dangerous.

01:23:41

Well, we, yes, I think they're very dangerous. They're, they're, obviously they're experimental. Uh, they are, and it's a new technology.

01:23:50

It's, I think it's a very dangerous technology and we have a constant inpouring of patients into our clinic who have been affected by vaccines.

01:24:01

Uh, so I think that, uh, ultimately Americans need to take responsibility, uh, for their health and they need to, uh, first remember that before God, they have to, they need to think in a

01:24:19

Godlike manner about their life and health. They need to remember the limitations of man and physicians and the civil magistrate.

01:24:28

And if they would, in a sense, put, put, put Christ first above all authorities and directives, he would suit them well.

01:24:41

Amen. Agree with you wholeheartedly. Uh, let's see here. We have, uh,

01:24:49

RJ in White Plains, New York. RJ asks, I missed the earlier part of the program.

01:24:57

Does your practice make use of naturopathic medicine? And if you could, if that is true, explain in detail some of those practices.

01:25:09

So naturopathic medicine or naturopathy is a very broad, uh, field.

01:25:17

And we do, uh, incorporate that into our functional general medicine practice.

01:25:24

And it's, and you might say on a physical, uh, level, it starts with, you know, nutrition and the quality of food that you eat.

01:25:35

Um, we also do quite a bit of testing for levels of vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, essential fatty acids.

01:25:46

And when they're not optimal, we will then recommend a certain specific dietary, uh, foods or supplementation to, uh, to increase those levels in the body.

01:26:00

Uh, nature, naturopathic medicine also deals with the area of detoxification.

01:26:05

And I like to be careful because nature, naturopathy or naturopathic medicine is, is not only the principles and what's practiced in that field is not exclusive to naturopaths.

01:26:20

It's also used by medical physicians, you know, osteopathic doctors, chiropractic doctors.

01:26:26

So I want to be careful and make that distinction, um, because we, as we live our life and we get, we live in a certain type of environment, we will, we will have increasing levels of certain chemicals and heavy metals that may build up in our body.

01:26:42

And those need to be, you know, at certain times reduced or eliminated. And so detoxification has been basic to health in the history of mankind, you know, for a few thousand years.

01:26:56

And an example of that would be sauna detoxification. Uh, it's, we all know that it's thousands of years old and it is generally speaking, it is the best, simplest, most cost -effective way to, uh, to stimulate your body to sweat and mobilize stored toxins and heavy metals, such as lead and aluminum and to push them out of the body.

01:27:23

So we, and so it'd be hard to, to, to elaborate on every detail of, of naturopathic medicine that we incorporate because if we could talk for days and weeks.

01:27:35

And we have another anonymous listener. Uh, the anonymous listener says

01:27:42

I had a loved one die from cancer. And during those weeks prior to this loved one's death,

01:27:50

I began to explore alternative medicine to see if this person's life could be rescued.

01:27:58

I was wondering if you had any red flags for any specific kind of alternative message medicine that is being promoted out there and clinics in Mexico and other places that you think are fraudulent.

01:28:17

Well, I've been to many clinics throughout the United States, and I've been to quite a number of clinics outside of the

01:28:24

U S including Canada, Canada, Mexico, Jamaica, the Bahamas, uh,

01:28:30

Germany, Switzerland, and England. And since the, uh, since the specific question was in regard to Mexico, I think there are certain clinics that are doing a good work in the field of cancer in Mexico.

01:28:49

I think that you always have to be careful in discerning no matter where you go. And I think it's important to get references, um, and, and, and speak to interview a clinic and, and look at the cost of the therapy.

01:29:08

But the one thing I would tell you is most important, you cannot go to a clinic and cure cancer in four weeks.

01:29:17

The great caution I have is there may be great therapies, but it's not realistic that your cancer will be significantly reduced in simply four weeks.

01:29:27

The battle has to be, for example, over 12 months in the first year of a cancer diagnosis,

01:29:35

I would recommend that each person have a 12 month timeline and you need to think about how you're going to combat that cancer and correct your, your metabolism and optimize your immune system over the course of 12 months.

01:29:48

So in essence, I would say don't spend a great deal of money in four weeks in any clinic, but be wise and spread out the cost over 12 months because it's much more likely that you'll have a great outcome.

01:30:05

This same listener sent in another email saying that unfortunately his loved one or her loved one died.

01:30:15

And this anonymous listener was asking, is shark fin a scam or does it really have any health benefits and can it help slow down or even rid the body of cancer?

01:30:33

I'm not, did you say shark fin supplement? Yes. Well, I'm not familiar with that product.

01:30:40

With that product years ago there was a product or a push for shark liver oil and usually what

01:30:49

I, what I tell people is that in almost every treatment or supplement that is being marketed, there's usually some element of truth in the promotional.

01:31:05

The question is, is it how much truth and is it being over promoted and is a person taking a high enough dose to actually have a clinical effect?

01:31:19

The one, so I would like to make one recommendation for the audience in regard to cancer. There is,

01:31:25

I think the single most important book to read about cancer is called

01:31:31

The Metabolic Approach to Cancer by Dr. Winters. And the only caution

01:31:39

I would give about the book is she is obviously a believer in evolution, so please disregard her comments and references to that.

01:31:49

But in regard to how do you think about cancer, how do you approach it? What is the strategy?

01:31:55

I believe this is the single most comprehensive and valuable tool that you can have at your disposal to guide you through a, you know, a true medical program to, to, to do well with cancer.

01:32:15

Can you repeat that information though? Yes. The name of the book is

01:32:20

The Metabolic Approach to Cancer by Dr. Naysha Winters.

01:32:26

And what are we to ignore in her writing? Ignore the references to evolution and you know, the age of the earth and those simple things.

01:32:37

Okay. CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York says,

01:32:43

I remember there were people who were involved in naturopathic medicine years ago that were promoting apricot pits as a possible cure for cancer.

01:32:57

And the substance formed from the pits was called, and I'm going to spell it because I don't know how to pronounce it,

01:33:05

D -A -M -Y -G, D as in David, A -L -I -N. Is there any validity in this?

01:33:13

So that specific substance is called amygdalin. It's also known as vitamin

01:33:20

B -17 and it's also known as laetrile. And it was quite popular in the sixties and seventies and even the eighties in the

01:33:31

Mexican clinics. It was studied in the early seventies at Sloan Kettering Hospital.

01:33:42

And at one point, one of the principal researchers decided to hold a press conference and divulge that Sloan Kettering was falsifying the data against that natural cancer therapy because it really did work well.

01:34:04

And that particular researcher was immediately fired and his name is

01:34:09

Dr. Ralph Moss. He's a PhD researcher and he then spent the rest of his decades being a patient advocate.

01:34:21

He decided to dedicate his life to helping cancer patients but promoting alternative therapies based in science.

01:34:33

And so there was, there is some validity to that therapy over the last 25 years.

01:34:40

I have met a number of patients who've had obvious benefit from that therapy, but I would caution people to not, you know, be overly confident to take everything with a grain of salt.

01:34:55

And one thing, the most important thing is you cannot rely usually on one specific therapy to be your silver bullet.

01:35:04

You have to comprehensively look at cancer and the complex pathways and changes and mechanisms.

01:35:11

And they're all addressable and that book that I mentioned, the metabolic approach to cancer, I think is the single best guide to inform our listeners how to look at cancer.

01:35:24

And I'll take one more anonymous listener in the same thread. Another anonymous listener says,

01:35:31

I have heard that some of the Mexican clinics that have had excellent results for curing cancer have used coffee enemas.

01:35:39

Have you heard of this? And is it real? Yes. I was first introduced to coffee enemas.

01:35:49

Oh, 25, 30 years ago. But particularly when I moved to Atlanta and I worked with a clinic that was also treating cancer patients.

01:35:59

And in particular, one of our patients was a well -known radio host named

01:36:04

Larry Burkett. Oh yeah. And he was, he was from the Atlanta area. And, and but the point was, we had quite a number of, of new patients coming in and they were using coffee enemas on their own initiative.

01:36:19

And the, their feedback was absolutely amazing at the improvement of energy and their mental function and their decreased levels of pain.

01:36:31

And most of these were coming from cancer patients. So over the years, over the last 20 years,

01:36:37

I've implemented that same technique or detoxification protocol with many of our cancer patients.

01:36:44

And it is usually extremely effective. It is very rare when anyone has any sort of a intolerance or a problem with that therapy.

01:36:56

Now a question of my own. I know that obviously you've made it quite clear that you are a

01:37:05

Christian, that you are a reformed Christian. I don't know how much you delve into the political arena, but I'm wondering what your opinion is on the government's role, if any, like the

01:37:23

Food and Drug Administration and so on, that has the power to make certain treatments for cancer or other terminal illnesses illegal.

01:37:36

Should there be such an agency in existence with that kind of power when people, maybe just groping for any last hope of survival, they've tried all traditional medicine, and then they might discover something that doesn't even appear to be life -threatening if you take it or use it, but the government is prohibiting it by law.

01:38:01

What are your opinions on that? I mean, obviously it opens the door perhaps to more scams, but at the same time, you know, life is always filled with risk.

01:38:12

So when you have nothing to lose physically, I don't know where I would stand on that.

01:38:18

But anyway, if you could give us your own opinion on that. Well, that's obviously a very large, complicated question with many issues, but my thinking is that I believe in a limited, limited small government.

01:38:33

And so my preference would be that much of what the FDA and various state agencies do should be eliminated.

01:38:44

And I very much believe in freedom. And I think that that freedom can be exercised and enjoyed by citizens and Christians.

01:38:55

And we can use our own knowledge and discernment and our, we can choose our own position and make those decisions on our own.

01:39:03

So that would be my, my basic position on that. Yeah.

01:39:08

So I'm always leery about how the government is so inseparably connected to big pharma and how many billions are made through the suffering of others.

01:39:20

And I'm not obviously saying that all pharmaceuticals are bad or that pharmacists are bad.

01:39:28

One of my advertisers is a pharmacist. But that, that, that dependence, it seems that the government, that many government officials and branches of the government seem to have upon the big pharma.

01:39:43

Am I making sense here? Yes. And the thing is, there's going to be a profit motive and there's going to be money to be made in various forms of healthcare and pharmaceuticals.

01:39:57

But I do not think a large regulatory government is to our advantage.

01:40:03

So I'm very cautious about the state of, of, uh, of that. And by the way, folks, my advertiser,

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01:40:25

I think is a very unique position coming from a pharmacist. So, um, and he's also a

01:40:31

Christian and an elder in a reformed Baptist church. Uh, but we are going to our final break right now.

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That's ptlbiblerebinding .com. Welcome back.

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I just want to have our listeners mark your calendars for a couple of exciting interviews.

01:53:00

I hope that you listen to Iron Sherpa's Iron Radio every day, but I just want to highlight a couple of interviews coming up.

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The aforementioned dentist, Christian dentist, that I was speaking about with my guest today,

01:53:14

Dr. Rhett Bergeron, Dr. Anthony Silvestro, he is going to be returning to the program on Tuesday, the 24th of January, along with Andrew Rappaport of Striving for Eternity Ministries.

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They're going to continue discussing the dangers of the coronavirus vaccines and other things.

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And also on Monday, the 30th of January, one of the speakers at Dr.

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Rhett Bergeron's conference, the Faith and Medicine Conference, my dear friend for many years,

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Colonel Kevin Girard of the United States Marine Corps, who's also a pastor in Dawsonville, Georgia.

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He is going to be my guest on Monday, January 30th, so please mark your calendars for those dates.

01:54:02

Just out of curiosity, Dr. Bergeron, how did you get to know my dear friend Colonel Kevin Girard?

01:54:09

We were introduced through another pastor in the

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North Atlanta, North Georgia area, who was actually, and still works with me, doing some business consulting, and he and Kevin Girard are very close friends.

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And so Kevin Girard has spoken at our first conference in 2021, and he is, of course, returning next month in February 2023.

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One thing I'd like to mention to the audience, our listeners, is that our

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Faith and Medicine Conference is also available through live streaming. Excellent. And so I want to encourage you to go to faithinmedicine .org

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and look at the speakers and the presentation topics, and please avail yourself of the registration box if you're so inclined to be a part of the conference.

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And that's February 3rd and 4th. That is correct. And let me just point out to you, our keynote speaker on Friday night is

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Dr. Peter McCullough, a somewhat well -known cardiologist from Dallas, Texas, who's been speaking across the country against how the epidemic was handled and how early treatment could have saved millions of lives and currently how dangerous the vaccine is, and he's bringing attention worldwide about that issue.

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So he'll be our keynote speaker on Friday night. Praise God. Once again, that's faithinmedicine .org,

01:55:53

faithinmedicine .org. And you have no excuse now not to take advantage of this if you can watch and listen on live streaming.

01:56:03

And I'm glad that you mentioned this so early because so many times these major events, they don't tell you until the very last minute if they're live streaming.

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And I've been guilty of that too because I didn't know if we were going to be live streaming sometimes when I'm organizing an event of my own because I'm very untechnical.

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And so I don't find out sometimes until the last minute from the people who are actually doing that part of the event.

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So I'm glad you gave our listeners such an advanced notice on that. We have Christopher from Western Suffolk County, Long Island, New York, who wants to know, do you have a list or database of like -minded physicians and medical practitioners across the

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United States who share in common your ideology and approach to these major issues?

01:56:53

I do. Actually, I have a reference, a referral for all the listeners.

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There's a professional organization of physicians and other types of healthcare practitioners called the

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AAPS, the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons.

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And this is the exact opposite of the AMA. These generally are very principled physicians and various healthcare practitioners who understand a constitutional government and the need for a small government and the need to stay behind our constitutional rights.

01:57:42

Many of the physicians and healthcare practitioners who are members of this organization are

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Christians. And so I believe that is the best general resource across the country for any of your listeners.

01:57:56

And by the way, this particular organization is also against vaccines, and they were very much promoters of early treatment for COVID with things such as ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and vitamin

01:58:09

D. And they are also participating in the fight against the abuse of federal government's power and the

01:58:20

CDC and various medical societies. Well, I want to remind our listeners for the website of RealHealth Medical, where my guest today,

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Dr. Rhett Bergeron, is a health practitioner and physician, realhealthmedical .com,

01:58:37

realhealthmedical .com, and for the Faith and Medicine Conference, go to faithandmedicine .org,

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faithandmedicine .org. And that conference, again, is going to be held on February 3rd and 4th, and it's going to be held at Grace Fellowship of South Forsyth in Cumming, Georgia.

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And you can also make or take advantage of the live streaming at faithandmedicine .org,

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faithandmedicine .org. I loved every second of my interview with you today, Dr.

01:59:12

Bergeron. I hope you are interested in returning to the program. I'd love to have you very frequently return, and I would love to benefit personally from your knowledge as well as blessing my audience with the same.

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I want to thank our listeners today. I hope you all always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater

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Savior than you are a sinner. I hope you have a very safe, blessed, joyful, and Christ -honoring weekend and Lord's Day.