July 18, 2023 Show with Joe Jacowitz & John Waldrip on “Artificial Intelligence”

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July 18, 2023 JOE JACOWITZ, pastor of Christ Bible Church of Pleasanton, CA, & founder of FirstLove Ministries, *AND* JOHN WALDRIP, pastor of Calvary Road Baptist Church of Monrovia, CA, who will both address: “ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE”

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01:26: This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this 18th day of July, 2023, and I'm excited about conducting day number two of my interview with Joe Jackowitz and John Waldrop.
01:46: Joe Jackowitz is pastor of Christ Bible Church of Pleasanton, California, and founder of First Love Ministries, and it's great to have you back on the program,
01:56: Pastor Joe. Are you there, Pastor Joe? For some reason,
02:03: Pastor Joe is not responding to me. I have no idea why. Pastor Joe, do you hear me?
02:11: Well, let's move on to our second guest, Pastor John Waldrop of Calvary Road Baptist Church of Monrovia, California.
02:19: Can you hear me, Pastor John? Yes, sir. Yes, sir, I can hear you. Pastor Joe, can you hear me now?
02:26: Yes, I can. Okay. Yes. I can hear you. Can you go—well, let me go back to you and have you, once again, tell our listeners about Christ Bible Church of Pleasanton, California, and First Love Ministries.
02:43: Yeah, sorry about that, Chris. I'm having a little problem with my audio, but it's a blessing to be back with you and my friend,
02:50: John Waldrop, and Christ Bible Church was founded in 1990, and I've been with them as the pastor since then.
03:02: And we are a congregation about 35 miles east of San Francisco, situated in a place called the
03:12: Tri -Valley area of the San Francisco Bay Area here in Northern California. And also,
03:20: First Love Ministries is a conglomerate of four separate ministries under the heading of First Love.
03:29: We have a literature ministry, First Love Publications, in which we distribute books, booklets and tracts free of charge.
03:39: Since 2006, we've given away over 300 ,000 books all around the world.
03:48: And then there's First Love Missions, where we have five branches overseas of our missions organization, reaching out with the gospel through missionaries.
04:00: And then there's First Love Radio, a 24 -hour -a -day, seven -day -a -week radio ministry with a lot of good teaching programs and Christian music that can be heard on firstloveradio .org
04:14: or can be found at firstloveministries .org on the homepage. And the last ministry, which is still under development, is
04:23: Grace Bible University, a free Bible college in which a
04:28: Bachelor of Theology degree is under development and is about halfway there. So these four ministries can be found at firstloveministries .org.
04:40: That's firstloveministries .org. If you're interested in finding a church home or you know someone who is in Northern California, you can find out more about Christ Bible Church by simply going to ChristBibleChurch .org.
04:57: That's ChristBibleChurch .org. Well, I failed to do this yesterday, but anybody who listens to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio regularly, especially if they've been doing it for over a year, they may recognize your name because we have had public prayer requests for you,
05:18: Joe. You are a cancer survivor, and I would love for you to give our listeners an update on your health.
05:28: Well, about a year ago, I was declared cancer -free from leukemia, which
05:34: I came down with about three years ago and went through chemotherapy, and then
05:41: I was in remission for 16 months, which means the cancer went away.
05:46: But then it came back 16 months later. The doctors gave me a bone marrow transplant because the cancer was much more aggressive, and I've been in remission from that bone marrow transplant for two years in June, and there has been no cancer detected.
06:07: But during that time, I had a pulmonary embolism, which is simply your lungs filled with blood clots, and 30 % of patients who have a pulmonary embolism die immediately.
06:22: So the Lord has brought me back from near death three times in the last three years, and so I thank
06:30: Him for His grace in giving me each day. I wake up in the morning praising
06:35: Him and thanking Him for each day. God has taught me so many spiritual lessons through these three near death experiences in the last three years, and I can't even begin to describe.
06:48: But right now, I'm cancer -free, and we're just serving the Lord each day.
06:55: Well, that is music to my ears, brother, as you know, and I am so thrilled that the prayers of God's people have been heard and God has smiled upon them, and that you are once again healthy and cancer -free.
07:09: Yeah, I want to thank your listeners and yourself as well for bringing my health needs before the throne of grace because God has heard and answered those prayers.
07:20: Amen. Well now, Pastor John Waldrop, why don't you tell our listeners again about Calvary Road Baptist Church of Monrovia, California?
07:28: Amen. Let me just mention that if people want a clearer insight into Pastor Joe's experiences, they can
07:37: Google Camp Lejeune Marines because he's one of those many members of the
07:42: United States Marine Corps that was exposed to contaminated groundwater. A number of these guys end up being my friends later on, and they're wonderful servants of God, and God has blessed them wonderfully.
07:56: Calvary Road Baptist Church was started in 1975. I became the pastor in November of 1985 and have been here ever since.
08:08: Our church website is www .calvaryroadbaptist .church,
08:15: and I also have a website www .classicalbaptist .press,
08:22: which features publications, books mostly that I have written, but with things that others have written.
08:31: Brother Joe and I had the opportunity of encountering each other not only in Nepal on one occasion, but also at a pastor's retreat in the
08:42: Bay Area where I met him and fell in love with him and absolutely delight in his sweet wife's chocolate chip cookies.
08:52: I'm a type 2 diabetic, and she is intent on killing me by making the best chocolate chip cookies in the world.
09:03: But it's a delight to be associated with Pastor Joe and First Love Ministries.
09:10: Are the chocolate chip cookies soft or crunchy? They are soft.
09:18: They are semi -sweet chocolate, which was God's plan from the beginning. I have always preferred soft.
09:25: Oh, and tell our listeners about your upcoming trip to Ukraine. Thank you for reminding me,
09:32: Chris. Our church has been a supporter of a missions effort in Ukraine since the fall of the
09:40: Soviet Union. A group of pastors from the South here in the
09:46: United States traveled to Eastern Europe, and they hired a young Ukrainian university student, a 19 -year -old guy, to translate for them, and they went around the countryside preaching.
09:57: And he told me that he noticed that as he was translating, old
10:03: Ukrainian women would begin to weep, and then later old Ukrainian men began to weep, and he began to reflect on,
10:10: I probably should listen more closely to the truth that I'm translating. Long story short, he came to Christ.
10:17: He's now a successful church planter and missionary. Ukraine still has a significant -sized
10:24: Jewish population. I think the largest synagogue in Europe is in his city, which is the second -largest city in the nation.
10:33: And I'll be traveling there with my wife on July the 31st to participate in the ordination service of his oldest son, who
10:44: I've known basically since he was born. Very faithful ministry.
10:49: They serve as chaplains in the Ukrainian military and as church planters and evangelists to the
10:58: Jewish community of that nation. So I covet your prayers while we're there, because it's going to be, as they say, it's in a hot zone.
11:10: Yes, well, I will see if I can arrange—I don't know how far Kiev is from where you're who
11:21: I have interviewed on this program at least twice on Iron Trip and Zion Radio. He is not only a seminary professor in Kiev, a
11:31: Reformed Baptist seminary professor, but also a pastor. But I will see what
11:37: I can do to see if it is possible for him to meet with you. And I would like to have a follow -up discussion with you when you return from that trip.
11:46: I look forward to it. Well, let me give our listeners our email address, chrisarnsen at gmail .com.
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12:01: Today we are discussing artificial intelligence. And many people have told me that any of my claims of having intelligence are artificial, but I don't think that's what you meant by it,
12:15: Joe Jakowicz. What is artificial intelligence? Well, pardon me.
12:24: Artificial intelligence is the use of computer systems to perform tasks that normally require human intelligence, such as decision -making or problem -solving.
12:38: But when we talk about AI, we need to remember we can either look at AI through the eyes of a scientist, a computer scientist, and understand it through his eyes, but I think most of your listeners want to understand artificial intelligence from the perspective of the
12:58: Bible. And the Bible has a lot to say about what artificial intelligence is not.
13:07: The Bible doesn't say pretty much anything about the specific concept of AI, but it does tell us what
13:15: AI is not. And so to do that, you have to look at basic assumptions and basic teachings in the
13:22: Bible. And the underlying idea that goes against artificial intelligence is that God made man in his image.
13:31: He didn't make machines, however useful they may be to mankind, in his image.
13:39: And so men, including women, of course, men and women are made in God's image, and the mind and intelligence are patterned after God.
13:52: God said, let us make man in our image, according to our likeness. And so we have this beautiful gift called intelligence, and God has to make it, and it cannot be artificially produced to function in the way that God wants it to work.
14:14: And so people have human dignity and value and purpose, and so God makes us in this unique way.
14:24: And any use of AI that fundamentally diminishes these aspects, these unique things that God made in our intelligence and in our soul and in our spirit, must therefore be contrary to the word of God and to the will of God.
14:43: Now, don't we have to be very careful, especially when things are in early development, that we as Christians do not overreact and involve ourselves unintentionally in eisegesis into the
15:03: Scriptures and warn people about things that some of us, if not the majority of us, may, in our majority, wind up enjoying using and being benefited by many things that are developing in the area of technology, even the very computers that we are using to broadcast this program.
15:33: Now, I understand there's a frightening aspect of this that involves transhumanism.
15:39: I don't know if a part of your study involves that. Yes, I'm going to talk about it if I can later.
15:46: Sure, because there are areas of that that are clearly a violation of Scripture.
15:55: Not all, because, of course, if you were a victim of some horrible accident or a birth defect or something, and the technology provided that may involve things that are included under the umbrella of transhumanism that allowed you to walk normally and move about as an able -bodied individual and speak clearly and all the things that might be otherwise prevented by an illness or injury, we would all be praising
16:34: God for this kind of development in technology under those circumstances. But, Joe, or should
16:41: I say John, Pastor John, do you have anything to add about what I just said? Yes.
16:46: You know, our understanding of AI, in addition to what Pastor Joe said, which was very insightful, is against the backdrop of our culture.
16:59: You know, we have the classic novel Frankenstein by Mary Shelley, which was artificial intelligence after a fashion.
17:09: I was a kid that grew up reading the works of Isaac Asimov, who started out with iRobot and the positronic brain and all of that, and the first, second, third law of robotics.
17:24: And then if those of us who are old enough will remember the
17:31: Twilight Zone series created by Rod Serling, in which I can recall at least three different episodes in which artificial intelligence was the main theme, two of them featuring extremely intelligent robots, and a third one was a machine revolution against the oppression of humanity, and then, of course, those younger than us will recall the
17:57: Terminator series of movies starring Arnold Schwarzenegger. So we have in the back of our mind, on one side, what the
18:04: Word of God says about intelligence and about the mind of man and us being created in the image and likeness of God, and then on the other side we have, mostly by atheists, the introduction of artificial intelligence in the form of books and movies having to do with technology and the advances of technology.
18:35: And so these things come together, and it causes an excitement on one hand about what wonderful things we can have in this brave new world, but there, as Brother Joe said, there must be a caution because the human mind has been dramatically and drastically affected by the introduction of sin into the human race.
19:01: If I might add something, AI is very, very dangerous.
19:10: Therefore, it's unlike any other method that Christians look to and use for the glory of God or the advancement of the
19:22: Gospel. We cannot look at AI as if we would look at FedEx or UPS, a shipping company whereby we ship
19:31: Christian materials overseas. Just a useful method or channel to get the
19:38: Gospel out. It is not like that at all. There is an idolatrous core inherent in AI that is looking to establish a foothold in the mind and in the heart of the most well -meaning believers and church leaders that would make us reliant upon AI to do our thinking for us, to do our creative thinking for us.
20:09: But we have to remember, there are critical elements of mental and spiritual faculties that are used by God besides mere methods, whether they be computer technology like AI or anything else.
20:28: And if we just rely exclusively on AI to do our thinking for us, we cut out all those other spiritual faculties that God intends to blend with intelligence to produce new life in other people and to grow new life in us.
20:50: And most people don't even discern or identify this subtle temptation when they see it.
20:59: And it's very, very dangerous. I have a lot of problems with AI, especially when it comes to serving
21:08: God. There's a problem when we let someone else or something else do our thinking for us.
21:16: In fact, Pastor Joe, pick up where you left off when we return from our commercial break, that there's a problem, especially as Christians, when we let
21:25: AI do the thinking for us. We'll pick right up there. And we're going to our first commercial break.
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34:44: Joe Jackowitz and John Waldrop, and we are discussing artificial intelligence.
34:50: And if you could, Joe, right before the break we were talking about, or you were talking about the dangers of substituting your own thoughts with thoughts that are created with artificial intelligence.
35:05: You may have pastors who begin to create sermons this way, etc.
35:11: But continue. Joe, are you there? Joe Jackowitz.
35:19: I am here. Okay. Well, if you could, pick up where you left off, please. Well, it's one thing to use methods and means to distribute the gospel and to further the work of the
35:33: Lord, like transportation companies, shipping books overseas.
35:40: But when it comes to letting someone else do our thinking for us so we don't have to think through issues and we don't have to do the hard work mentally to produce sermons and to pray and other spiritual activities, that's a different thing altogether.
36:00: When artificial intelligence is such an unscriptural approach to serving
36:08: God because we don't benefit from the maturity and experience that comes with intellectual and creative development.
36:16: Intellectual development does not stand by itself apart from the rest of our spiritual man, the rest of our spiritual faculties.
36:27: And so, if we separate out all kinds of spiritual processes and mental processes from the character, from the spiritual part of man, we miss out on the character growth and the development of spiritual perception, the development of a spiritual worldview that only comes through working things out in our own minds with the guidance of the
36:55: Holy Spirit, with the guidance of the Scriptures. And so, anything separated from the whole process using the whole man and the
37:06: Holy Spirit guiding and overseeing that whole process is defective.
37:12: As a matter of fact, anything patterned after man in general is defective.
37:17: We can't rely on things of man, the natural man, to be trustworthy and foolproof, including artificial intelligence.
37:28: AI has no soul. We have a soul. And our minds and intellectual capacities are designed to work with all the other spiritual faculties together that God has given to us.
37:43: And so, we need to be very careful not to rely on AI. It's a very, very dangerous thing.
37:49: You see, the Holy Spirit works through human beings that are regenerated and redeemed, not through machines or methods.
37:59: God tells us to stir up the gift that is in us, the spiritual gift. And this includes the gift of intelligence, creativity, and original thinking.
38:11: Intelligence and wisdom are gifts from God. Jesus Christ became for us wisdom from God.
38:19: And we learn that in the last days, knowledge shall increase, but we need to be very, very careful with certain types of knowledge that purport to be a savior in and of itself that we become overly reliant on, such as AI.
38:39: Now, Pastor John Waldrop, picking up from what Joe said, Joe keeps repeating a word that may make a vital difference in this whole conversation.
38:51: He keeps using the word, we must not rely upon artificial intelligence.
38:57: Now, is there a way that Christians and all of humanity can benefit from artificial intelligence if it is used for specific reasons sparingly and not relied upon?
39:12: Let me give you an example. As I've said earlier on in the program, we're all using the
39:18: Internet to broadcast Iron Truck and Zion Radio, and I'm sure you too use the Internet for things of your own to help further the gospel and the kingdom of God on Earth.
39:32: And yet, the very computers we are using and the Internet that we are benefiting from has been the cause of great satanic influence.
39:45: Apparently, there is, I should say, an alarming number, percentage of Christians and even pastors who have become enslaved to pornography on the
40:00: Internet. And you have people involved in all kinds of sexually perverse and adulterous chat rooms, and you have false religions that people are being influenced by, perhaps even bringing them to a conversion to these false religions because of the
40:20: Internet. Now, obviously, just because Satan is using this tool mightily for his own kingdom of darkness doesn't mean that we should cease using it for the kingdom of Christ.
40:34: So, please, if you could respond to that. Yes, I totally agree with Brother Joe.
40:42: And when he's talking about this, sometimes when we anticipate the future danger of artificial intelligence and its usefulness to us, we have to exercise not only wisdom, but humility.
40:59: And it helps us to recognize what is currently the state of the art, the state of the science.
41:08: There's a term that is used by techies called the Internet of Things, and that is the interconnectedness of anything that has a microchip.
41:17: For example, a smartphone, a smart TV, a smart appliance, smart thermostats.
41:23: Most people don't realize that newer appliances have cameras and microphones in them.
41:31: Thermostats have cameras and microphones in them. Television sets have microphones and cameras in them.
41:41: Smartphones' cameras can be activated whether the user is aware of it or not, whether the phone is on or not.
41:49: The microphone can be activated even when the phone is turned off. And all of this is used, not even counting
41:57: Siri and Alexa. The tech giants are gathering vast amounts of what they refer to as megadata.
42:07: I have read someplace in the past that there are more than a million pages of data already in place for every single person in the
42:19: United States of America. And that's not even counting what's already being done in communist
42:25: China with the help of our tech giants, Apple and Microsoft, where they have social scoring by the
42:34: Chinese Communist Party for schools and for hiring and for promotions, where they use facial recognition software and they use geolocating.
42:43: And you will actually be downgraded, your social score will be pushed downward if you are in close physical proximity to someone that the
42:54: Chinese Communist Party has tagged. So it's possible that somebody who wants to go to university and is qualified for university will not be allowed to go to university because they live near someone who has been tagged by the
43:08: CCP. Well, if that's what's already being done with the state of artificial intelligence currently, imagine what's going to happen when it is on steroids.
43:21: And the mind behind this is, I fear, not a human mind.
43:28: I fear that these seducing spirits are manipulative.
43:33: And they've already demonstrated it in Genesis chapter 6, their capacity to cross the threshold from the spiritual realm to the human female realm.
43:46: I'm of the opinion that the sons of men in Genesis 6 were fallen angels. And if they can do that with human beings, what's to stop them from making use of physical tools in the form of artificial intelligence to provide the evil mindset behind the use of this technology?
44:09: We know, for example, that during the COVID lockdown, that the
44:15: Prime Minister of Canada used the technology that was already in place to freeze the accounts and to freeze the credit cards of the truckers who had driven across the country and gathered in Ottawa, and the people who gathered to protest, he just, by fiat, decided to shut everything down.
44:36: And so I think we're moving in an onerous direction. And I think we already have cause for great alarm.
44:46: And we need to exercise great caution. And I think it is arrogance and pride that causes us to think that we can outsmart these spirit beings, these foul spirits that have been attacking the human race for thousands of years.
45:04: They're vastly more intelligent than we are. They're far more clever than we are. They do not tire, nor do they sleep at night when we do.
45:13: And we are gullible. We are very gullible people. So we need to exercise great, great caution.
45:20: Pastor Joe Jackowitz, are you, and perhaps
45:26: John can answer after you also, are you saying that the term and the concept of artificial intelligence is so specific and can be so meticulously pigeonholed that it is nothing but bad, there is no benefit to it, there's no positive thing to it, there's nothing about it that Christians should utilize in any way, shape, or form?
45:55: Is that what you're saying? Theoretically, one might think there are positive benefits to it.
46:05: But the dangers of it and the inability of people to understand it and to control its use, even in a very limited capacity, are so great and so dangerous that it's best just not to use it at all.
46:22: But when you look at it from a biblical perspective, it is going to be, and it is already, but it's going to be much more greater than it is now.
46:33: A temptation that I think no one will be able to handle, no matter how disciplined they are.
46:39: So I think it's better not to get involved with it, not to be, not just reliant on it, but not even to get involved with it at all.
46:48: It's an affront to God. It is going to be one of the most elevated ways idolatry will be committed in this world moving forward in the future.
47:01: And the reason why is that Christians are being bombarded with a higher level of technology that is suggestive of the infinite possibilities of the human mind.
47:12: I mean, John was talking about this. And they're saying that the mind can evolve into a much higher form and level of consciousness and capabilities.
47:23: Even Elon Musk and some of his colleagues are touting the dangers and are warning the world of the dangers of AI.
47:32: And these people aren't even Christians. But we have a much greater perspective on the situation when you bring in the spiritual dimension and understand there's an infinite more amount of dangers and temptations when you look at it through the spiritual temptation perspective.
47:53: But some define this evolutionary process as transhumanism.
47:58: You brought this up before, which is the idea that rather than being bound by bodily limitations, a person can transcend or change into a future that transcends death by just uploading yourself or your consciousness into an
48:17: AI super intelligence program, which is ridiculous, of course. But this idea of transhumanism effectively rejects the work of the potter and aims to manufacture a cheap 2D image of the clay.
48:34: It's like taking a photo of the Mona Lisa, airbrushing it in a Photoshop, and declaring it an upgrade on the original.
48:43: Transhumanism undermines and subverts the wonder of God's creation by reducing humans to nothing more than machines or data points.
48:53: And so we risk undermining the very beauty of the creator's work by giving us minds and intellects and souls and spirits and the
49:04: Holy Spirit. Remember him? The Holy Spirit through which to glorify God.
49:09: This is the time -honored, biblical way to glorify God. God works through redeemed souls that are filled with the
49:17: Spirit and led by the Spirit, not through machines, whether they be
49:23: AI or not. It's a simulation. AI and transhumanism is a simulation without spiritual substance.
49:34: Yes, and you already have major media figures who are tremendous influencers, such as Scott Adams, the cartoonist who created the
49:47: Dilbert cartoon. He has basically taken a cue from the
49:52: Matrix movie series, and he believes that instead of God providing providential oversight for the human race, he thinks that we live in a simulation.
50:03: In other words, he's already convinced that we're controlled by a massive supercomputer. And I found it ironic, even before I came to Christ, when reading the
50:15: Isaac Asimov books. Isaac Asimov was a Russian -Jewish immigrant to New York City, a brilliant scientist.
50:23: He wrote 200 textbooks. He also wrote 200 science fiction books. But being an atheist, he had no role for God in the universe that he created for science fiction.
50:40: And so he invented a robot with a positronic brain whose job it was to overlook and provide for the safety and security of man.
50:47: So he didn't believe in God, but he did believe in a robot that performed all the functions of God.
50:54: And nobody seems to appreciate the irony of that. These guys that are advancing artificial intelligence, they have a very low view of man, and they have a very high view of themselves.
51:06: And they've already demonstrated that they're absolutely bent on making our decisions for us.
51:13: And they influence us in ways that we cannot even imagine.
51:19: You click one thing on Facebook, and immediately you start getting advertising that is geared to that click that you've made.
51:29: And on every social media platform, the same kind of thing happens. So we, as human beings, we tend to be gullible.
51:36: We tend to be lazy. Pastor Joe and I already know more pastors than we would care to admit to people that so many supposedly preachers of the gospel, they just phone it in.
51:50: That's all they do. They don't study the Bible. They don't labor over the ministry.
51:56: They just phone it in. And artificial intelligence will make that so much easier in so many different ways.
52:03: And it causes me great concern. And what exactly do you mean they phone it in?
52:11: Well, they get their sermons off of the Internet, and they get their sermons out of outline books, and they don't do personal study of the
52:18: Bible. And they will use extremely sophisticated study helps, but those study helps tend to push you in a certain theological direction.
52:32: And they don't have this – they're too young to remember what it was like to study with books.
52:38: And they don't do enough reading to know what theological trends have overwhelmed
52:44: Christendom in the last century or so. And so they will allow the sophisticated contemporary software to push them in a theological direction.
52:54: And they don't realize it's happening to them because they don't have the breadth or the depth of study experience to see what's happening to them.
53:03: And we have to go to our midway break right now. It's the longer -than -normal break because Grace Life Radio, 90 .1
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01:16:47: John Waldrop, have you completed your basic train of thought there, or did you want to add anything to it?
01:16:54: I had to interrupt you because of the midway break. No, I understand. One of the things that I would like to point out is that while AI might be able to simulate the human brain, simulation of the human mind is impossible.
01:17:10: Because that requires, the brain requires the mind to govern thinking.
01:17:19: And robots are being developed to function as beasts of burden, and as combat warriors, and in Japan especially as providers of pleasure.
01:17:31: But the problem is, it's the mind behind the brain.
01:17:38: And there is no substitute for the need of a mind to control the brain.
01:17:45: And if it's not the human mind that's controlling the artificial intelligence brain, then me thinks it is likely a foul spirit's mind controlling the brain of artificial intelligence.
01:18:03: And so that is a dangerous thing. One other comment. We as believers in Christ, we're not opposed to good ideas.
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01:18:22: Isaac Asimov. Now, Isaac Asimov was an atheist, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a bright guy.
01:18:28: That didn't mean he didn't have a great personality and that I didn't like him. And I read his books, and he came up with the notion of artificial intelligence in a rather unique way.
01:18:39: But he added something that I would challenge Elon Musk, who certainly has read Asimov, and some of these other tech giants.
01:18:48: What about the first law of robotics? Why not, if you're going to have artificial intelligence, why not build into the software this law?
01:18:58: A robot may not injure a human being or through inaction allow a human being to come to harm.
01:19:06: Well, we know they're never going to do that because they're already using artificial intelligence to harm people.
01:19:11: That's what they're doing. They're doing that. They're doing that in China. They're doing that here in the United States. They're doing that in Europe.
01:19:18: They're using the technology and the sophistication of artificial intelligence to dominate and control the masses and to take away from us this normal course of human decision -making that Pastor Joe has spoken to so eloquently.
01:19:38: Now, one of the questions I have before I go to listener questions is that I am someone who has such a distrust of government.
01:19:52: I completely agree with the famous quote by Lord Atkins that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
01:20:04: And some might describe my political philosophy as libertarian leaning.
01:20:14: There are many libertarians with whom I radically disagree. I believe in strong borders, protected borders for our nation, not to keep people from leaving, but prevent unwanted individuals and groups from entering who pose a threat to our nation.
01:20:37: And I am very much an abolitionist against abortion.
01:20:44: I do not believe that is a woman's right to murder a baby within her womb. And there are libertarians who are not
01:20:50: Christians who are pro -infanticide, although they would never call it that.
01:20:57: So, obviously, I have to give a disclaimer when it comes to the term libertarian.
01:21:03: But I do believe in a very small government. And there is a frightening aspect of the government being in charge of preventing any thread or development in technology.
01:21:20: Who is to make the decisions when it comes to stopping the creation of modern technology that does not involve specifically the murder of children?
01:21:35: For instance, there are many medical developments that aid parents who are having a difficult time conceiving that involve the murder of human embryos.
01:21:53: There are developments in science that are making the mutilation of individuals' genitals through surgery and pharmaceutical methods, even children, that are making them more and more convincing in their appearance of being of the opposite gender.
01:22:18: Of course, they never will be members of the opposite gender, no matter what they think or how they look.
01:22:25: But, you know, obviously, these kinds of things are satanic. But where do you draw the line about where the government has the authority to say, we are going to stop the development of this type of technology?
01:22:42: And maybe we'll have Joe start. Pastor Joe, can you hear me? Yes. The only thing we can do is vote for politicians who would support a biblical view.
01:22:59: There's not much more we can do. Believers are placed in society, and the providence of God and the sovereignty of God ultimately puts into place all politicians who are in their positions, from the head of state down to the local politicians.
01:23:15: But I think we need to do what we can, from our perspective, at least vote, vote in the right people that would support a biblical view concerning AI or other technological or political issues.
01:23:32: But there's really not much more we can do, unless we want to get caught up in some kind of political movement and get distracted from our overall purpose in the
01:23:42: Gospel. What can we do as Christians in society who are called sheep among wolves?
01:23:50: Pastor John? I completely agree with Joe, and I think
01:23:57: I would add this. I don't think it was ever God's plan for this era to function well, because it's a demonstration that the human race is a fallen race.
01:24:14: We live in a universe where entropy increases, and it's not going to go well, no matter who's in charge, no matter what system of government, until King Jesus is sitting on the throne running things as he sits on the throne of his father
01:24:35: David and rules with a rod of iron. Until then, it's not going to go well.
01:24:40: It's going to go bad for us. I have spent 45 years preaching the
01:24:46: Gospel and warning two congregations that living in the United States of America is a historical anomaly.
01:24:55: It has been so good for us, God's people, for so long that we think it's normal, and we think it's supposed to be this way.
01:25:05: There was a fellow that wrote a book 30 years ago titled Jesus in Beijing, and in that book he wrote the consequences and the results of interviewing many of the house church leaders in China, and he discovered, a bit to his surprise, how much the
01:25:26: Chinese believers love Americans. They love their brothers and sisters in Christ in the
01:25:32: USA, but they feel sorry for us, and why they feel sorry for us is because we have it so good, we have it so easy that they believe that we have forgotten something, that suffering is a part of the
01:25:49: Christian life. It's God's plan for conforming his people to the image of Christ, and it's going to get nasty, it's going to get nastier, and it's going to keep getting worse, and I think what
01:26:02: Joe said is we must avoid distraction. Zig Ziglar was right when he used to say in his sales pitches, the main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing, and for us it's the
01:26:15: Great Commission, and we need to not allow ourselves to be distracted into politics.
01:26:21: I make comments on politics, but our main thing is to glorify
01:26:27: God, to exalt the Savior, and to preach the gospel. And let me go to a listener question.
01:26:35: We have Seth in Hummelstown, Pennsylvania. Greetings, gentlemen. Do you foresee the potential for more and more
01:26:44: AI -generated Christian literature, infiltrating real, currently available
01:26:51: Christian literature? For example, AI -generated tracks and versions of the
01:26:56: Bible? Let me answer that question, and I say absolutely yes.
01:27:05: As a publisher, on a very fringe element in my approach to the distribution of literature, and what
01:27:16: I mean by that is we give everything away free, I have seen the opposite. I'm not saying because publishers charge, they're sitting against God, but I've seen so many philanderers and charlatans and money -making greedy publishers who are so -called
01:27:36: Christians, and they charge so much money for their publications. And if you can make a quick dollar by having
01:27:45: AI that is well -programmed, using Christian terminology and jargon to produce publications that would bring in millions and billions of dollars, you can believe there's going to be a lot of people who will take advantage of that opportunity to make money off of AI through the subterfuge and infiltration of the
01:28:14: Christian publishing industry, which is a $4 billion a year industry.
01:28:20: There's a lot of money to be made in Christian publishing, and no wonder why all of the main secular publishers, or many of the main secular publishers, have brought out all of the largest
01:28:32: Christian publishers, and they've done that for a reason, to make money. And watch out for the tide of AI being used by these opportunists to make a lot of money off of the backs of Christians by selling their wares.
01:28:50: Yes, absolutely. And, of course, I just have to insert here that, obviously, as you said, there's nothing wrong with a
01:28:58: Christian ministry making some kind of a profit from the sale of good Christian literature, like my sponsors,
01:29:05: Solid Ground Christian Books, without which I would likely not even be on the air if they were to cease supporting it.
01:29:12: Right. I'm not suggesting that at all, Chris. One of the other things that's happening is most people don't realize that most of the big money -making authors on Amazon are guys that what they have done is they've put together boiler rooms of writers, and they will hire writers to write books to which they append their name, and they spruce it up a little bit, and then publish it as if they wrote it, but they did not write it.
01:29:45: And imagine what's going to happen when AI gets to the place where you can do that, and you won't even have to hire a writer.
01:29:53: And so that's a terrible problem, and it's only going to become worse over time.
01:30:00: Well, there goes my autobiography idea flushed down the toilet because of you guys.
01:30:07: I'm only kidding. Hey, Chris, in spite of Elon Musk's warnings to the contrary,
01:30:14: I believe AI is not going to go away. It is going to be a huge money -maker for publishers and others who will take
01:30:23: AI and use it for exponential entrepreneurial advantage.
01:30:31: Okay. We have another listener, Bobby in Hartsdale, New York.
01:30:38: And Bobby says, If something is inevitable where there is nothing that can stop the progress of something like AI, isn't this more of an issue of how the
01:30:53: Church is to respond to this rather than to stopping it? Yes, I would agree.
01:31:01: God puts us in situations where we, you know, remember the three
01:31:06: Hebrews who were put into the fiery furnace. They basically, and I'm heavily paraphrasing it, they said, yeah,
01:31:15: God can deliver us if he wants to. But if he doesn't, it's not a big issue with us. They realized that they were there to make a stand.
01:31:22: They were there to stand for what's right. And I would go so far as to say that God, in his word, is very careful to caution us about the consequences of disobedience.
01:31:36: But the consequences of obedience, that's his business. And when we commit ourselves to living for, loving, and serving
01:31:43: God, we're supposed to do what's right, regardless of what the outcome may be. Now, we need to exercise wisdom, of course.
01:31:50: But ultimately, the consequences are God's business for God's children.
01:31:57: Yeah, I would add quickly to that, Chris. Just like any other danger or temptation or sin, artificial intelligence shouldn't take our focus and be the object of an all -consuming, energetic focus in our life.
01:32:19: We are to be warned about its dangers, but we are to be grounded in sound theology, have a working knowledge of apologetics or how to defend the
01:32:30: Christian faith, so that we can discern error and heresy and false teachings and temptations when they come our way, and pray for wisdom and strength of will to be able to resist it.
01:32:48: But our focus has to be on holy living. Our focus has to be on walking with God.
01:32:54: Our focus has to be on evangelism, and not get sidetracked into these hobby horses that would consume our time, however dangerous they would be.
01:33:05: Yes, we need to be equipped to defend the faith, and we need to be knowledgeable of the enemy's temptations and false teachings and heresies, but it shouldn't consume our lives.
01:33:20: That's right. In fact, I failed to read the last sentence of the previous questioner,
01:33:29: Seth from Humboldtstown, Pennsylvania. He says, As believers, it's vitally important now more than ever that we familiarize ourselves with the real article.
01:33:39: That makes a lot of sense, because one wonders how on earth are we going to tell what is created through artificial intelligence?
01:33:48: I mean, there may be no telltale evidence and signs. I mean, do you guys have any suggestions about that?
01:33:56: And we'll start with John Mulder at this time. Well, here's how you can tell when I have written something, if there is mistakes.
01:34:05: Okay? Now, I do use Grammarly to clean up my commas and my semicolons and stuff like that, but there's the human element.
01:34:17: You know, God makes use of means to impart grace to people, and those means almost always involve the involvement of other fallible, flawed human beings.
01:34:31: I preached a sermon Sunday morning where the Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians, three times in his letter to the
01:34:37: Corinthians, pointed out the fact that he was not sufficient to the task that he had been called to.
01:34:44: So if the greatest example of the grace of God to ever walk the earth said three times, who is sufficient for these things?
01:34:53: Then none of us are, and we ought to just go with it. Okay, Lord, I'm going to do the best
01:35:00: I can, not compare myself to anybody else, commit this entire process to you in prayer, and trust you for the outcome.
01:35:08: We have Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania, who asks,
01:35:18: Forgive me for playing the devil's advocate here, no pun intended, but what if AI becomes some remarkable and beneficial way where Christians can much more easily, more affordably and quickly translate the
01:35:39: Scriptures into foreign languages that do not currently have possession of the
01:35:46: Bible in their native language? Well, I think the dangers of using
01:35:53: AI to so -called help facilitate the
01:35:59: Scriptures in better understanding or better translations far outweigh the good elements of possibilities that you can do with AI in translation of Scripture.
01:36:14: Let me give you a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Let me just...
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01:36:31: Always give us your first name at least, city and state, and country of residence. I'm sorry, Joe, go ahead. That's okay.
01:36:37: You know, the Christian faith is defined by the Bible. It's guided by the Bible, God's authoritative, inerrant word, and the
01:36:45: Bible warns us about changing its message. But there's an official from the
01:36:51: World Economic Forum who's calling for AI to rewrite the Bible, quote, correctly, unquote.
01:36:59: And what would be one thing that Satan would ultimately try to lead people astray from the
01:37:05: Bible? It would be to alter God's word with a different theology than what is contained in it.
01:37:12: And so this grand deception is why a senior World Economic Forum advisor,
01:37:18: Yuval Harari, who's a homosexual, he's an Israeli author and historian who holds mostly to atheistic beliefs in spirituality, about having
01:37:31: AI rewrite the Bible are so dangerous. Now, he's considered by many to be one of the most influential intellectuals in the world today.
01:37:41: And Harari has said, quote, AI is the first technology ever that can create new ideas.
01:37:48: You know, the printing press, radio, television, they broadcast, they spread ideas created by the human brain, by the human mind.
01:37:59: They cannot, though, create a new idea, says Harari. Johannes Gutenberg printed the
01:38:06: Bible in the middle of the 15th century. The printing press printed as many copies of the
01:38:11: Bible as Gutenberg instructed it, but it did not create anything new, Harari said.
01:38:17: It had no ideas of its own about the Bible. Is it good? Is the Bible bad?
01:38:23: How to interpret this? How to interpret that? But, he says, AI can create new ideas.
01:38:30: It can even write a new Bible. Throughout history, religions dreamt about having a book written by a superhuman intelligence, by a non -human entity.
01:38:41: And so this is what Harari is saying, recommending the use of AI do.
01:38:48: I think that Christians must maintain a strong stance on biblical principles against using
01:38:56: AI to come into contact with the Bible, even if there are many who are suggesting it can have a great usefulness in spreading the
01:39:07: Word of God. I think we need to keep human theologians who are filled with the
01:39:12: Spirit, who are very versed and knowledgeable about Bible interpretation and linguistic interpretation, people who understand the spiritual themes of the
01:39:24: Bible and all the major spiritual goals of the Bible involved in Bible interpretation, not
01:39:32: AI. Well, we have to go to our final break, and I want to ask you a question, Joe and John, that you could think about during the break and answer it then.
01:39:42: The question is, what Joe was just saying about the artificial intelligence creating a false
01:39:49: Bible, that's happening already. How is it different? We have people, even evangelicals, who claim to share our views at the very least about the pillars of the
01:40:02: Christian faith and biblical morality, who are creating horrible translations of the Bible.
01:40:07: How is this more alarming? And we'll have you respond to that when we return from the break.
01:40:13: And if anybody wants to send in a question, I strongly urge you to do it quickly, because we're rapidly running out of time.
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01:54:14: What's the difference between artificial intelligence creating a heretical, dangerous
01:54:21: Bible and what's happening already and has been happening for decades when all kinds of folks are coming out with just horrible translations so -called of the
01:54:32: Bible? I think the only difference between the two is that AI is much more subtle.
01:54:39: It may have more alluring features to it because it may seem so much like the genuine article.
01:54:47: It may require much more insight and linguistic knowledge and training to spot the difference between an
01:54:57: AI false version and the real thing, the genuine article. Other versions which are bad of the
01:55:06: Bible are just as bad as AI in the long run because a bad version is a bad version, but the
01:55:13: AI version might be much more subtle in identifying its bad roots.
01:55:19: And Pastor John, any follow -up? I would agree with that. I think there's a natural tendency, as we saw during the
01:55:27: COVID lockdown, there is a great tendency, particularly in the
01:55:32: West, to trust expertise. I have a collection of books in my library that are written by scientists, and they are specifically written to show the fallibility and the flaws of science.
01:55:51: And yet we live, everybody says, trust the science, trust the science, trust the science.
01:55:57: And what unsophisticated people do not recognize is that science, 99 and 44 100 percent of the time, goes in the direction of money.
01:56:09: Who will fund them? And we have a tendency to embrace expertise.
01:56:16: Imagine how, because we as a race tend to be intellectually lazy.
01:56:23: So imagine what would happen if we can just say, well, you know, the machine says, and Google says, and the search engine says, and we know how flawed they are.
01:56:34: Imagine how much more subtle will be AI in skewing the results.
01:56:42: Now, I'm assuming you mean by what you said that people too all quickly believe in claimed expertise, because there are people who have been claiming things during this whole
01:56:55: COVID crisis who are scientists, which many folks in the scientific field and the field of medicine and physicians have been saying are bold -faced lies.
01:57:09: Absolutely, absolutely. There's two scientists at Stanford University near where Joe lives,
01:57:17: Jay Bhattacharya and another guy, who are brilliant, brilliant scientists, but because they didn't subscribe to the politically -induced narrative, they were shut down and they were canceled for two years.
01:57:33: And now we know they were absolutely right about everything. And people were trusting the experts that were experts for hire.
01:57:42: They were basically the 21st century version of gunslingers for hire from the 19th century, and they were saying whatever big pharma wanted them to say.
01:57:53: They were saying whatever the politicians wanted them to say so that they could exert control over the population.
01:58:00: I think AI will be very, very useful in accomplishing the same thing. Well, we are out of time.
01:58:06: I want to make sure that our listeners have all of the contact information that they need. First of all, if you are interested in visiting or finding out more about Christ Bible Church in Pleasanton, California, go to ChristBibleChurch .org,
01:58:22: ChristBibleChurch .org, and also if you have interest in finding out more about Calvary Road Baptist Church in Monrovia, California, and hopefully pay a visit to that church and maybe even join it,
01:58:36: CalvaryRoadBaptist .Church, CalvaryRoadBaptist .Church. And please, folks, do not forget about the three -day
01:58:45: Bible conference, including a debate that will feature Dr. James R.
01:58:50: White of Alpha Omega Ministries September 15th, 16th, and 17th. It's a Friday, Saturday, Sunday in Mannheim, Pennsylvania, which is in Lancaster County.
01:59:00: And for more details, visit futureofchristendom .org, futureofchristendom .org,
01:59:09: and you can register there as well. I strongly urge you to register as quickly as possible to get the least expensive registration fee as you can.
01:59:18: Well, Pastor Joe and Pastor John, you have been a delight as you always are.
01:59:23: I look forward to your return to the program. You always have an open door in my studio. Please just let me know when you'd like to return.
01:59:30: I want to thank everybody who listened, and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives, Jesus Christ is a far greater